Latest / The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine / Justin Jones: Idle Threat | Furnace Fest 2024 Series
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- 0:25Speaker 1: The way.
- 0:30Speaker 2: We got Justin Jones from Idle Threat. Justin, you've been
- 0:34Speaker 2: on this podcast countless times at this point, mostly because
- 0:38Speaker 2: honestly you're just a good, good friend of ours, but
- 0:42Speaker 2: you happened one of the perks of being a friend
- 0:44Speaker 2: of Justin is that you happen to be in a
- 0:47Speaker 2: really good band called Idle Threat. And so we're going
- 0:49Speaker 2: to talk about some of the fun things that Idle
- 0:52Speaker 2: Threat is up to these days. But before we get
- 0:55Speaker 2: into all of that, we want to know, because we're
- 0:57Speaker 2: friends with you, Justin, how is Justin Jones doing today? Day?
- 1:00Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm tired. Uh, how's your watch? That's what
- 1:05Speaker 1: I'm more interested in?
- 1:07Speaker 3: My walk?
- 1:08Speaker 2: Yeah, you walk with the Lord?
- 1:09Speaker 1: Your walk with the Lord? Baby. See I heard that.
- 1:12Speaker 3: It's like w okay, So I was like, are we
- 1:15Speaker 3: are we like cooking up some like surfry or something.
- 1:18Speaker 2: I love that you thought that that makes that's yeah,
- 1:23Speaker 2: you're this is why we're friends? Is that?
- 1:25Speaker 3: Is that just scream like deconstructed or or like I
- 1:29Speaker 3: think it.
- 1:29Speaker 1: I think it's screams agnostic or atheist, But you know
- 1:32Speaker 1: you do you.
- 1:35Speaker 2: It reminds me of my phone now if I try
- 1:37Speaker 2: to type in neo Calvinism, it auto corrects it to
- 1:40Speaker 2: bro Calvinism. And that's when I'm like, oh, yeah, my
- 1:44Speaker 2: phone's even deconstructed at this point.
- 1:46Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Apple was onto something maybe like.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Yes, Steve Jobs was a Wesleyan. He was that.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Dude.
- 1:59Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy, you though, is like, you know,
- 2:02Speaker 3: I'm diving right into uh some other stuff. But uh,
- 2:07Speaker 3: like my phone still autocorrects fuck to duck.
- 2:11Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
- 2:12Speaker 2: So apparently I thought they were going to fix that.
- 2:15Speaker 3: I thought they did too, and I you know, other
- 2:18Speaker 3: people are like yeah and autocorrects like you know, to
- 2:22Speaker 3: or whenever you say fuck, it's as fuck.
- 2:24Speaker 1: Now for me, it's still is autocorrecting to duck.
- 2:27Speaker 2: So maybe somebody played like a sick joke and like
- 2:30Speaker 2: stole your phone when you were looking. And then you
- 2:33Speaker 2: know how you can like do the change or whatever
- 2:36Speaker 2: where you can change it, you know, from one word
- 2:38Speaker 2: to another when you type in that one word. Maybe
- 2:40Speaker 2: they typed in fuck and then have it just auto
- 2:42Speaker 2: changed to duck.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Maybe Ernie did it.
- 2:46Speaker 3: I really hope it was an elaborate prank. Yeah, Ernie
- 2:49Speaker 3: would absolutely do something like that.
- 2:53Speaker 2: Justin I do have to say every time you like
- 2:55Speaker 2: one of my tweets on Twitter or x as they
- 2:57Speaker 2: call it, now, I feel like you're like you lose
- 3:01Speaker 2: like one second of your time in idle threat, Like
- 3:06Speaker 2: you're just you're like, it's one less second that you're
- 3:08Speaker 2: gonna be an idle threat because you're gonna at some
- 3:10Speaker 2: point those seconds are gonna run out and you're gonna
- 3:12Speaker 2: get kicked out.
- 3:13Speaker 3: Dog, I'm gonna go through and like everything you've ever done.
- 3:16Speaker 1: Then then we could finbably start our band. There we go,
- 3:22Speaker 1: But that would also be a very bittersweet moment because
- 3:25Speaker 1: I don't want idle Threat to end.
- 3:27Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude. It's actually funny, like, ah, we we
- 3:33Speaker 3: are coming up on ten years together, and I mean
- 3:37Speaker 3: our lineup's like a little different now than when it
- 3:40Speaker 3: was when we like you know, first got going, I guess.
- 3:43Speaker 3: But it is kind of a miracle that me and
- 3:47Speaker 3: Ernie and Zeke are still like doing music together. So
- 3:52Speaker 3: but I don't know, maybe that's a testament for something greater.
- 3:57Speaker 1: I have no idea, but got it's it's a miracle.
- 4:01Speaker 3: But you know, the three of us, like even with
- 4:03Speaker 3: our differences and stuff like that it's just like idle
- 4:06Speaker 3: threat will always be Justin Jones, Seek Bakhetian or Anie Fabian.
- 4:10Speaker 1: So I like how you put yourself first. That's not
- 4:12Speaker 1: that says a lot about you. I'm the most important one.
- 4:15Speaker 2: Yes, you've got even though you're a drummer, you've got
- 4:18Speaker 2: lead singer syndrome.
- 4:20Speaker 3: Dude.
- 4:21Speaker 1: It's okay.
- 4:23Speaker 3: It's so funny because like I had been told by
- 4:26Speaker 3: too many people at this point that I'm like the
- 4:29Speaker 3: personality of our band and I'm the only one that
- 4:31Speaker 3: doesn't have a microphone. It's like when when we play
- 4:35Speaker 3: like full well.
- 4:36Speaker 2: In some in some cases you have the most microphone.
- 4:39Speaker 2: That is true, right, Oh yeah, you probably have like
- 4:42Speaker 2: like three of them. And if you're playing in a
- 4:44Speaker 2: big enough venue.
- 4:46Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is this just reminded me of something. Actually.
- 4:50Speaker 3: So we played our festival that we used to throw
- 4:56Speaker 3: the god yeah rest in peace. So we used to
- 5:02Speaker 3: do that, and I think there was our second year
- 5:05Speaker 3: or something like that. I like we were like in
- 5:08Speaker 3: between songs or something. I don't even really remember what
- 5:11Speaker 3: was going on, but I got up from behind my
- 5:15Speaker 3: drums and went up to the mic, and apparently I
- 5:17Speaker 3: dropped an f bomb.
- 5:17Speaker 1: I don't even remember doing this, but.
- 5:21Speaker 3: It was really funny because like some people after this
- 5:23Speaker 3: show were just like that was so sick.
- 5:25Speaker 1: That was so funny, you know, all this, And then
- 5:27Speaker 1: there were some people that we liked.
- 5:28Speaker 2: And then there were some people that are like, are
- 5:29Speaker 2: you guys a Christian band?
- 5:31Speaker 1: Yes, in a band.
- 5:32Speaker 3: It's like I thought you guys were like worship band.
- 5:35Speaker 3: I thought this was like a Christian festival. It's like, no, no,
- 5:39Speaker 3: it's no.
- 5:41Speaker 2: That still reminds me. That reminds me remember back in
- 5:43Speaker 2: the day, there was like a few years where bands,
- 5:46Speaker 2: especially like solid state bands, they would release like about
- 5:50Speaker 2: a year after they had an album come out. A
- 5:52Speaker 2: year later they would do like a deluxe version, which
- 5:54Speaker 2: usually included a DVD. And I remember Under Oath did
- 5:57Speaker 2: that one year, and I think it was the Chase
- 6:00Speaker 2: Safety Deluxe. And in that DVD they're like, you know
- 6:04Speaker 2: this kind of like just all this like tour footage,
- 6:06Speaker 2: and there was a moment where Aaron Gillespie, I think,
- 6:10Speaker 2: is getting like some sort of surgery done on his
- 6:13Speaker 2: thumb because he like got like some sort of infection
- 6:15Speaker 2: on his thumb or something like that happened. But at
- 6:18Speaker 2: one point he says damn. He didn't even say fuck
- 6:21Speaker 2: or anything. He just says damn. And I remember being
- 6:24Speaker 2: mortified as an eleven year old, like, oh my god,
- 6:26Speaker 2: Aaron GILESSMI, like my idol just swore sixteen years old
- 6:31Speaker 2: Christan anymore?
- 6:33Speaker 1: Was he was he like sixteen years old on that record.
- 6:36Speaker 2: Too, No, he'd have been like eighteen or nineteen, but
- 6:38Speaker 2: he was still young that well, he was sixteen, I
- 6:42Speaker 2: think when they're like first couple of albums came out,
- 6:44Speaker 2: so he would have been like he would have been
- 6:47Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen when Chasing Safety came out.
- 6:49Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even know swear words at that point.
- 6:53Speaker 2: I know, That's what I was like, even like I
- 6:57Speaker 2: guess maybe he heard goddamn once or something.
- 6:59Speaker 1: I don't know, dude.
- 7:01Speaker 3: I actually was just about to ask, like, have y'all
- 7:03Speaker 3: ever had a moment where, well, be it like a
- 7:06Speaker 3: band or like you know, after whatever, or like you
- 7:10Speaker 3: like followed them like so closely and then they did
- 7:13Speaker 3: something like that and it just like wrecked you.
- 7:15Speaker 4: You know.
- 7:15Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a very specific moment, but I'm not
- 7:18Speaker 1: sure if I can say it because.
- 7:22Speaker 2: We might get canceled too.
- 7:23Speaker 1: We might have them on in two weeks. Eh, it's
- 7:28Speaker 1: a yeah, I probably should hold back.
- 7:30Speaker 3: Actually you can text me later, but yeah, I think
- 7:34Speaker 3: for me, I don't know, I've had a couple like that, but.
- 7:40Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 7:40Speaker 3: There was one time I saw and like they weren't
- 7:44Speaker 3: like a Christian band or anything like that, but it
- 7:46Speaker 3: was like this tour package that was like the story
- 7:49Speaker 3: so Far in the Wonder Years and Transit and Polar
- 7:53Speaker 3: Bear Club and like that entire tour pack. I was
- 7:55Speaker 3: like in high school, but that entire tour package just
- 7:58Speaker 3: like drinking get this you. And I was just like
- 8:01Speaker 3: so not like upset, but I was just like, dang,
- 8:04Speaker 3: these are like some true colors. And then like fast
- 8:07Speaker 3: forward to now, like that's me at every time the Shift.
- 8:12Speaker 1: I do have like this vague memory of thinking that
- 8:15Speaker 1: Drew from uh uh switch Foot like definitely was not
- 8:20Speaker 1: a Christian and like was definitely going to hell because
- 8:23Speaker 1: of like the way he acted on like this one
- 8:27Speaker 1: web serious thing that they did. And I don't remember
- 8:30Speaker 1: specifically what it was, but I just remember like talking
- 8:33Speaker 1: with another friend of mine and be like I don't
- 8:35Speaker 1: think he's Christian, and and he's like I think I
- 8:38Speaker 1: agree actually, and like we had like a we had
- 8:40Speaker 1: like a severe like come to Jesus moment between me
- 8:45Speaker 1: and my friend about this. We're like, can we still
- 8:47Speaker 1: listen to this band? That's how That's how dark it was.
- 8:52Speaker 3: All that's up is so wacky to me, Like, I
- 8:54Speaker 3: you know, I've talked about this a lot over the years,
- 8:57Speaker 3: but uh, I have multiple stories of like you know,
- 9:03Speaker 3: after shows and stuff like that, Like my go to
- 9:05Speaker 3: is like, you know, I'll get off stage, I have
- 9:07Speaker 3: a ton of stuff to move, so like I'll go
- 9:09Speaker 3: unpack whatever, and then I usually go like grab a
- 9:13Speaker 3: beer or like a whiskey from like the bar or
- 9:15Speaker 3: whenever like that. Then I just hang out at merch
- 9:17Speaker 3: like I love talking to people, you know, it's like
- 9:20Speaker 3: part of my job. So it's like, I don't know,
- 9:22Speaker 3: I'm very extroverted, so you know, I'll grab a drink
- 9:26Speaker 3: and go like meet like friends and fans and that
- 9:29Speaker 3: kind of thing.
- 9:29Speaker 1: And it's so sick.
- 9:30Speaker 3: But there's always these like groups of people probably one
- 9:35Speaker 3: out of every five shows that'll come up, and you know,
- 9:38Speaker 3: they they'll be like.
- 9:40Speaker 1: It's like are you like drinking?
- 9:42Speaker 3: It's like yeah, you know, having like a post show drink,
- 9:45Speaker 3: like you know, this shouldn't be that weird for for
- 9:47Speaker 3: any music guy to like do this.
- 9:49Speaker 2: You know, then you justmadically that those people are seeks friends.
- 9:52Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, well like that that's kind of what's nice
- 9:58Speaker 4: about having like, you know, people all over the spectrum, yeah,
- 10:03Speaker 4: like your unit or whatever.
- 10:05Speaker 2: But like what spectrum? The autistic one or.
- 10:09Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy my tongue.
- 10:11Speaker 3: So but dude, I don't know, like there's there's this
- 10:16Speaker 3: like what what's cool about all this is? You know
- 10:20Speaker 3: you we do have those people that like want to
- 10:22Speaker 3: come up and like you know, like prey and stuff
- 10:26Speaker 3: like that, which is like cool. I've I've prayed with
- 10:28Speaker 3: plenty of fans, and that's sick.
- 10:30Speaker 1: That's so sick.
- 10:31Speaker 3: Like if it's like an intimate and like genuine moment,
- 10:34Speaker 3: then like I'm all about that green light every single time.
- 10:37Speaker 3: But then there's sometimes it's just so uncomfortable because like
- 10:40Speaker 3: the specific memories that I'm like alluding to are always
- 10:45Speaker 3: just kind of like hey, man, like what are you doing.
- 10:47Speaker 3: I'm just like standing there like a little dumb ass
- 10:49Speaker 3: with like a beer and they're you know, like talking
- 10:53Speaker 3: to me about like hey, like my church group is here,
- 10:56Speaker 3: like we were gonna like talk to you about like
- 10:58Speaker 3: you know, and it's just like they stare at the
- 11:01Speaker 3: beer can or something the whole time. It's just like,
- 11:03Speaker 3: oh my gosh, don't why why is this weird? Why?
- 11:07Speaker 1: Like you Oh, anyway, I'm not even.
- 11:10Speaker 3: Gonna go on a rant. It's just I'm glad. I'm
- 11:12Speaker 3: glad that there is a wide spectrum of friend trends
- 11:16Speaker 3: and fans that like we're engaging with. But like you know,
- 11:20Speaker 3: not everybody that's gonna come up to me is gonna
- 11:23Speaker 3: get the same like reaction and treatment that like Zeke
- 11:26Speaker 3: would give them.
- 11:27Speaker 1: And then also like not everybody that comes.
- 11:29Speaker 3: Up to Zeke is gonna get the same like interaction
- 11:31Speaker 3: and stuff that I would give them. So I think
- 11:33Speaker 3: that's pretty cool. But some people don't mess with it.
- 11:36Speaker 3: That's fine. Yeah, it is what it is.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Yeah, do you uh, do you feel like you have
- 11:42Speaker 1: the obligation to try to like smooth things over though?
- 11:47Speaker 1: If if it is like some like little youth group
- 11:50Speaker 1: or something like that, that's like, hey, you guys mean
- 11:52Speaker 1: a lot to me, and whoa, what's that in your hand?
- 11:55Speaker 1: Like do you feel like you have like an obligation
- 11:57Speaker 1: of some sort.
- 11:59Speaker 3: Uh. I mean, I y'all know me well enough, and
- 12:03Speaker 3: anybody listening to this probably does too.
- 12:06Speaker 1: I'm just like unapologetically myself. So it's you know.
- 12:11Speaker 3: I'm I'm not going to save face because I don't
- 12:14Speaker 3: think what.
- 12:15Speaker 1: I'm doing is wrong.
- 12:16Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, like if I'm like hammered at
- 12:18Speaker 3: a show and like obviously doing something stupid, which like
- 12:22Speaker 3: this has never happened, but like, you know, if I'm
- 12:24Speaker 3: acting like an idiot and being mean to people or
- 12:27Speaker 3: something like that, yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
- 12:29Speaker 1: But that's that's not what's happening. You know.
- 12:32Speaker 3: I'm just chilling, you know, like come up to me
- 12:34Speaker 3: and talk to me about your life. You know, that's
- 12:36Speaker 3: that's cool. That's what I want to do. But I
- 12:39Speaker 3: don't you know, I'm not going to be out like
- 12:41Speaker 3: evangelizing and stuff like that.
- 12:43Speaker 1: But that's just me.
- 12:44Speaker 3: You know, like you might get a different treatment from
- 12:48Speaker 3: somebody else.
- 12:49Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 12:50Speaker 2: When when somebody wants to talk about theology with you, you
- 12:54Speaker 2: usually give them my contact, right.
- 12:58Speaker 3: So what I like to do actually is I'd start
- 13:02Speaker 3: talking about John Piper and then I'll say his biggest
- 13:06Speaker 3: fan is actually Mason, and then I give your number
- 13:09Speaker 3: and your email address.
- 13:10Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that explains a lot of the callback
- 13:15Speaker 1: posts or the angry posts at Mason recently.
- 13:19Speaker 2: If you want the devil sitting on your face every
- 13:21Speaker 2: morning too, Jesus dude.
- 13:24Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
- 13:25Speaker 3: There's there there are people that like I don't know,
- 13:29Speaker 3: they're like music scene adjacent that will like see some
- 13:33Speaker 3: of Mason's tweets and they'll send them to me and
- 13:36Speaker 3: be like this guy is so funny and I'm like yeah,
- 13:38Speaker 3: and then you're.
- 13:39Speaker 2: Like, actually I know him, and he's not great.
- 13:41Speaker 1: He's so dum dude.
- 13:44Speaker 3: Like one of my girlfriend's like best friends, like every
- 13:48Speaker 3: once in a while would just be like, oh my god,
- 13:50Speaker 3: this tweet is so funny or like he would send
- 13:53Speaker 3: me like Instagram posts of Mason's and I just never
- 13:56Speaker 3: told him, and up until recently, I was like, hey,
- 13:59Speaker 3: I like know that guy, and then they were just like, no,
- 14:03Speaker 3: you don't know. It's like I literally like, do like
- 14:05Speaker 3: do you want me to like message him?
- 14:08Speaker 1: Uh uh.
- 14:11Speaker 3: He's a champion on the people. I'll tell you that
- 14:13Speaker 3: Mason is right.
- 14:14Speaker 2: Well, you know what I will say, what what I
- 14:17Speaker 2: love about idle threat is uh. Specifically, Zeke can probably
- 14:22Speaker 2: lay claim to the fact that he's probably the only
- 14:26Speaker 2: person who's ever blocked me on Twitter who I have
- 14:29Speaker 2: also given a hug to.
- 14:31Speaker 1: Dude.
- 14:32Speaker 3: See, I didn't even know Zeke had a Twitter, or.
- 14:34Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't Zeke. One of your one of you,
- 14:36Speaker 2: one of those guys is uh blocked me, bef who's
- 14:39Speaker 2: your guitarist?
- 14:39Speaker 1: I forget his name.
- 14:43Speaker 2: We've talked at the one, but I've given that guy
- 14:45Speaker 2: a hug before, and he can lay, you know, lay
- 14:48Speaker 2: claim to the fact that I, you know, he has
- 14:50Speaker 2: me blocked, but I've given him a hug. There's not
- 14:52Speaker 2: too I don't think there's any other people in the
- 14:53Speaker 2: world that can say those things.
- 14:55Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny. Uh.
- 14:57Speaker 3: You know, I've never asked him about that, and I
- 15:00Speaker 3: don't even know if they'll listen to this or not.
- 15:01Speaker 3: But that's so that's I want to like be like, hey, dude, like,
- 15:05Speaker 3: you know, you blocked him on the internet once, and
- 15:08Speaker 3: it's probably because he made fun of Skillet or something.
- 15:12Speaker 2: That was that out of all my tweets, that's the
- 15:15Speaker 2: one that gets me blocked.
- 15:19Speaker 1: Actually, I think it was funny. What was it about
- 15:21Speaker 1: the was it about the drag situation where John Cooper
- 15:24Speaker 1: like smoke out about the drag at the devil Wards
- 15:27Speaker 1: or whatever?
- 15:30Speaker 2: There was the well, there was yeah, there was the
- 15:32Speaker 2: one where like, yeah, Derek Webb was dressing and drag
- 15:35Speaker 2: or whatever. But then like, yeah, I tweeted something about
- 15:37Speaker 2: this happened years ago, Colin, Like I remember, I remember
- 15:41Speaker 2: when like Justin and I were like he had I
- 15:44Speaker 2: think Justin you had just followed me or whatever, and
- 15:46Speaker 2: like I sort of knew of like idle threat at
- 15:48Speaker 2: that point. And there was something that was like very
- 15:52Speaker 2: early on in our relationship and our friendship that you
- 15:54Speaker 2: mentioned like I think this one guy's got like me,
- 15:57Speaker 2: like has you blocked meson or whatever something like that.
- 16:00Speaker 3: So that's so funny, dude, Uh, he's an angel, you know.
- 16:07Speaker 3: That's that's all I got. I don't I don't know.
- 16:09Speaker 1: You know, I'll say this about about Nathan. He's the
- 16:15Speaker 1: slickest dressing of all you guys. Oh yeahs down that guy.
- 16:19Speaker 1: That guy just always looks like he looks like a
- 16:23Speaker 1: band member. The rest of you guys look like you, you know,
- 16:26Speaker 1: smoke brisket for a living. Or are a like a
- 16:29Speaker 1: youth group instructor and every he looks like a band member.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan, Nathan looks like the actual lead singer.
- 16:38Speaker 3: Yeah, Nathan looks like a band guy and probably acts
- 16:44Speaker 3: like one the most out of all of us. But
- 16:48Speaker 3: but it is funny because like we've we've talked a
- 16:51Speaker 3: bunch over the years, how like we're just we're just
- 16:53Speaker 3: dudes in a band, Like we just show up and
- 16:56Speaker 3: play the shows and you know, we'll make the records
- 16:59Speaker 3: and all that kind of thing. It's like, I don't know,
- 17:01Speaker 3: like you know some music dudes there, It's like you're
- 17:04Speaker 3: dressed in all black, you have the hair and the tattoos,
- 17:07Speaker 3: you talk about music gear and stuff all the time.
- 17:09Speaker 3: That's like your whole life. That's just not who who
- 17:12Speaker 3: any of us are really. But Nathan looks the part.
- 17:15Speaker 1: He does look the part. He looks like he's been
- 17:17Speaker 1: hanging out with Grayson from Norwegian too much.
- 17:20Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely has like the most gen Z looking
- 17:24Speaker 2: vibe at least aesthetic.
- 17:26Speaker 3: Yeah, which is so funny because he's the oldest member
- 17:29Speaker 3: of our band.
- 17:30Speaker 2: Is he really? That blows my mind?
- 17:33Speaker 1: Actually, that is interesting.
- 17:36Speaker 2: Honestly, I would this is no. This is like no
- 17:39Speaker 2: diice to Ernie. But Ernie definitely looks like the oldest
- 17:42Speaker 2: guy in Idol trap.
- 17:43Speaker 1: That's true.
- 17:44Speaker 3: I think technically he is the third oldest, So it's
- 17:49Speaker 3: it's I mean, if we're going off the main five
- 17:51Speaker 3: of us, it's like Nathan, I'm probably gonna butcher how
- 17:55Speaker 3: old we are. But Nathan's like thirty three, DJ's thirty two.
- 17:59Speaker 3: I think Ernie is thirty. Zeke is almost thirty.
- 18:02Speaker 1: And I'm twenty nine. Well, Zeke is almost thirty two.
- 18:06Speaker 3: Huh yeah, as he turns thirty next month. I don't
- 18:10Speaker 3: know when this is releasing, but he he turns thirty
- 18:12Speaker 3: in September.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Zeke always looks like he's like straight out of high school.
- 18:17Speaker 3: To me, that dude hasn't aged a day since I
- 18:20Speaker 3: met him, and I met him in middle school.
- 18:22Speaker 1: So that's a that's a that's a magical trait to have.
- 18:28Speaker 2: It would be awfully nice to to just like look
- 18:31Speaker 2: like an eighteen year old.
- 18:32Speaker 3: Still, Yeah, there was like a Drake joke that I
- 18:38Speaker 3: was about to make review it.
- 18:39Speaker 1: I knew it. How about how aout you say? Do
- 18:43Speaker 1: you have a P? Didny one as well? Oh?
- 18:45Speaker 3: Man, I wake up in the morning feeling like him.
- 18:50Speaker 1: I hope, oh for for legal reasons, no, I do not.
- 18:55Speaker 2: But you do wake up in the morning having to
- 18:58Speaker 2: feel like you pee. Maybe not feel like P Diddy,
- 19:01Speaker 2: but you gotta wake up like you feel like you
- 19:02Speaker 2: gotta pee.
- 19:04Speaker 1: That was really good, Mace. I like that one.
- 19:06Speaker 2: You're welcome, man, I've been I've been working on that
- 19:10Speaker 2: one for a while.
- 19:10Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody get this man on kill Tony and you
- 19:13Speaker 3: could just be a comedian.
- 19:17Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about idle threat before we get
- 19:20Speaker 2: into furnace fest stuff. Obviously, you guys are in the
- 19:23Speaker 2: process of making LP three I believe, right LP three
- 19:28Speaker 2: LP two jumping ahead? So LP two, Yeah, Like, just
- 19:34Speaker 2: how that hell's that progress? I know when we last chatted,
- 19:37Speaker 2: like you were kind of like just in the beginning
- 19:38Speaker 2: stages of like knowing it was gonna happen, but just
- 19:40Speaker 2: like hadn't actually started it. But like, where are you
- 19:43Speaker 2: guys at now in this process?
- 19:45Speaker 3: So it's crazy, Like I believe the last episode I
- 19:48Speaker 3: was on with you guys was last year.
- 19:51Speaker 1: Around this time. We did like the albums of the Year.
- 19:53Speaker 3: Stuff, so we were kind of just in the beginning
- 19:58Speaker 3: stages I guess of writing a record, and.
- 20:02Speaker 1: You did promise us a record by May and it
- 20:04Speaker 1: didn't happen, And I'm from, yeah, well, a lot of
- 20:07Speaker 1: things have happened that have deterred us from, uh from
- 20:13Speaker 1: getting all of that done. And I'll be vague on purpose,
- 20:16Speaker 1: but there there's been a lot of things that kind
- 20:19Speaker 1: of changed within the process, some for the better, I think,
- 20:24Speaker 1: and I'll spill some details, but yeah, like we we
- 20:29Speaker 1: started writing and the process looks a lot different than
- 20:33Speaker 1: what we used to do, which, like you know, just
- 20:37Speaker 1: coming from my perspective, it's on the front end, it
- 20:40Speaker 1: was super frustrating because like they did a lot more
- 20:43Speaker 1: like hey, we're gonna do like guitars only like this
- 20:47Speaker 1: for this stuff and then kind of like you know,
- 20:49Speaker 1: write bare bones of songs and then you know, I
- 20:53Speaker 1: would play to them at home and stuff like that, which, like,
- 20:56Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm super old fashioned, so I just
- 20:58Speaker 1: want to like get room and like jam.
- 21:00Speaker 3: You know, So just getting like guitar tracks and playing
- 21:04Speaker 3: to them by myself and stuff was boring as hell.
- 21:06Speaker 3: But we just like kept pushing through that kind of stuff,
- 21:10Speaker 3: and you know, just talking to like close, like a
- 21:14Speaker 3: close circle of people about like you know, what we
- 21:17Speaker 3: we're gonna do, and you know, toss around all sorts
- 21:20Speaker 3: of ideas and finally, like, you know, things started coming
- 21:23Speaker 3: together a little quicker, and I don't know, like it
- 21:29Speaker 3: feels like we're finally in a really good spot to
- 21:32Speaker 3: where you know, we kind of shifted from like the
- 21:35Speaker 3: team we were working with and now we have probably
- 21:40Speaker 3: you know, ten to a dozen songs that we really
- 21:42Speaker 3: really like and like, for the first time ever, like
- 21:46Speaker 3: I'm my band's like biggest critic. For the first time ever,
- 21:49Speaker 3: we actually have a batch of songs that unanimously all
- 21:53Speaker 3: of us are like excited about. So that's a really
- 21:55Speaker 3: good feeling. And I'm just like really excited to start
- 22:00Speaker 3: and these songs live. We haven't even tracked him yet,
- 22:03Speaker 3: but hopefully at Furness Fest we're gonna play one or
- 22:06Speaker 3: two new songs, so hell, it'll be cool.
- 22:09Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you if you haven't tracked him yet,
- 22:11Speaker 2: I'm guessing timeline wise, like it's gonna have to be
- 22:14Speaker 2: twenty twenty five that this is gonna come out.
- 22:17Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know all that stuff. I'm assuming, so
- 22:21Speaker 3: really that has like that's all tooth and Nail's choice.
- 22:26Speaker 3: Uh So, like I would love to expedite things, but
- 22:31Speaker 3: I know, like I'm not an idiot, that's not how
- 22:34Speaker 3: that works. So but we're laying down drums in September.
- 22:41Speaker 3: We just did our pre production stuff like starting what
- 22:46Speaker 3: a week ago. So we're we're gonna record our record
- 22:51Speaker 3: with Stephen Keatch from HASE today now.
- 22:54Speaker 1: But I'm really gonnatudy with that. Yeah, I listened to
- 22:57Speaker 1: it today. Actually, Uh what a?
- 22:59Speaker 2: What A just like Teddy Bear of a human genuines.
- 23:04Speaker 1: He's so sweet.
- 23:05Speaker 3: So I've technically met him before, like at a hasted
- 23:08Speaker 3: a show, but I don't know, Like he just came
- 23:14Speaker 3: into this process and basically was like, Hey, I'm going
- 23:17Speaker 3: to like join your bands, like basically just be like
- 23:21Speaker 3: a sixth member to do this record. And that's kind
- 23:26Speaker 3: of what we needed. So the first little pre production
- 23:29Speaker 3: section session we have with him, he literally just like
- 23:33Speaker 3: sat in the room and was like, hey, play play
- 23:36Speaker 3: these songs, you know. So we took them one by
- 23:38Speaker 3: one and we're just like, hey, what do you think
- 23:40Speaker 3: of this one? And he made notes and like it
- 23:43Speaker 3: was just easy, like like super straightforward and like I
- 23:48Speaker 3: don't know. Everything he like challenged us with was like
- 23:53Speaker 3: stuff we didn't like really even think about, so super
- 23:56Speaker 3: refreshing and encouraging. And I don't know, I'm just really
- 24:00Speaker 3: excited to make this record with him. And I hate recording,
- 24:05Speaker 3: Like I think I've said that before on this podcast,
- 24:08Speaker 3: did I I hate recording music. Writing it it's fine,
- 24:13Speaker 3: recording it makes me nervous as hell. It's probably because
- 24:15Speaker 3: I'm not that good of a drummer, but like, I'm
- 24:19Speaker 3: just in it for like the live stuff, man like,
- 24:21Speaker 3: but there was something about Keach that was just super
- 24:24Speaker 3: like peaceful. And then I don't know, like you could
- 24:27Speaker 3: tell that wizard brain is like working. So just excited
- 24:30Speaker 3: for like the next like little chapter of our bands.
- 24:34Speaker 3: Not even know what it looks like, you know. So yeah,
- 24:38Speaker 3: well the future's.
- 24:39Speaker 1: Gotta be fun. And when you when you feel like
- 24:42Speaker 1: you're firing on you know, maybe a different set of
- 24:44Speaker 1: cylinders than before, that's got to feel kind of, you know,
- 24:49Speaker 1: liberating to a certain extent.
- 24:51Speaker 3: Yeah, and this this writing process too, like some of
- 24:54Speaker 3: the good things that have like yielded from it, like
- 24:58Speaker 3: our our guitar player at home. His name's DJ or
- 25:02Speaker 3: Dylan he's been like way more involved with this writing process,
- 25:08Speaker 3: and I think that'll show on this record, because that dude,
- 25:12Speaker 3: like I say all the time, he's the best guitar
- 25:14Speaker 3: player in our bands. Like the dude's just a riff master.
- 25:19Speaker 3: But his influence has been very heavy this time around.
- 25:23Speaker 3: And then like Nathan, like you know, he used to
- 25:25Speaker 3: just like tour with us and he got to write
- 25:27Speaker 3: on Blurred Visions and like he was very involved with
- 25:33Speaker 3: that process, like especially the tracking, but he's been more
- 25:36Speaker 3: involved in this time around too, with the writing, and
- 25:38Speaker 3: like it's just really cool to see, like you know,
- 25:42Speaker 3: I don't want to say non core members of our bands,
- 25:44Speaker 3: but like I don't know, it's just been really awesome
- 25:47Speaker 3: to have those two like really stepping up this time
- 25:50Speaker 3: around and push the.
- 25:53Speaker 1: Other three of us.
- 25:54Speaker 3: So yeah, hell yeah, shout out to those two for sure.
- 25:58Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I had a thought there and
- 26:01Speaker 1: that disappeared.
- 26:05Speaker 2: How So, obviously Stephen's very much a part of this process.
- 26:09Speaker 2: Like do you think there is like this kind of
- 26:12Speaker 2: haste to day vibe that you're maybe getting out of
- 26:15Speaker 2: these songs that Like I again, like obviously I know
- 26:18Speaker 2: he's not like writing the songs, But like, do you
- 26:19Speaker 2: feel like there's kind of like maybe some sort of
- 26:21Speaker 2: haste to day production value that you're getting out of
- 26:24Speaker 2: these songs more so than like previous idle threat songs. See,
- 26:31Speaker 2: is he really good about just totally removing his haste
- 26:35Speaker 2: today influence in his like production kind of style.
- 26:40Speaker 3: So I think is really cool And maybe I'm like
- 26:42Speaker 3: jumping the gun on. Like what I think so far
- 26:47Speaker 3: is like I hope that there is like a hast
- 26:51Speaker 3: to day influence there because I think it'll make us
- 26:54Speaker 3: a better bands in all the lighter moments of our
- 26:57Speaker 3: music but also the heavier moments of our music. But
- 27:01Speaker 3: also like he I know that he's a composer for
- 27:04Speaker 3: a living, So like I'm hoping there's some more like
- 27:07Speaker 3: I don't know, like thematic like elements and stuff, Like
- 27:12Speaker 3: I really hope, like, you know, we can play with
- 27:14Speaker 3: like pads and like all that kind of stuff like
- 27:16Speaker 3: atmosphere in our music and all that and just have
- 27:19Speaker 3: like I don't know, different types of like emotions like
- 27:22Speaker 3: elicited and all that stuff, you know, But I don't know,
- 27:27Speaker 3: Like I really don't know. I guess it's just because
- 27:29Speaker 3: we're like we haven't even tracked drums for this yet.
- 27:32Speaker 3: It's just but I just have a feeling like there's
- 27:36Speaker 3: gonna be some things that just kind of come to
- 27:38Speaker 3: the surface regardless of you know, how we're approaching it.
- 27:43Speaker 3: And I really hope that influence like bleeds through because
- 27:48Speaker 3: I love Haste today. I loved both eras of that band.
- 27:52Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, like, yeah, it's a good
- 27:56Speaker 3: question coming back to you with like, uh, with drums
- 28:01Speaker 3: and everything. I'm I'm kind of curious. I have a
- 28:05Speaker 3: very distinct thought about your drum style that I don't
- 28:09Speaker 3: think I really hear very often from very many other drummers.
- 28:16Speaker 3: I'm curious, what when you are drumming, how do you
- 28:19Speaker 3: view yourself? Like what do you view your strengths to
- 28:21Speaker 3: be when you're drumming?
- 28:24Speaker 1: Man?
- 28:26Speaker 3: So usually the way I answer questions like this when
- 28:31Speaker 3: I play, I'm trying to absolutely murder my drum set,
- 28:36Speaker 3: mostly just because I think that that you know, in
- 28:40Speaker 3: a live performance, if you were giving one hundred and
- 28:43Speaker 3: ten percent or whatever of yourself to for me, I
- 28:49Speaker 3: do want to put on a good show. But that's
- 28:51Speaker 3: at the back of my mind, you know. Really, what
- 28:55Speaker 3: it is is just like what I loved watching other
- 29:00Speaker 3: bands do when I was a young buck growing up
- 29:03Speaker 3: in the scene. I just wanted to see a band
- 29:06Speaker 3: get on stage and just you know, lose their self
- 29:10Speaker 3: to the show. So like you know, and the three
- 29:13Speaker 3: of us have talked about the cheeriot plenty, so I
- 29:16Speaker 3: don't have to get into that. But it's like when
- 29:18Speaker 3: I go see a band, especially a heavier band or
- 29:21Speaker 3: a punk band, I want to see them just lose
- 29:24Speaker 3: theirselves to the crowd and just be there in that moment.
- 29:28Speaker 3: You know, you you might have twenty minutes between those
- 29:31Speaker 3: four walls, you know, just put all that emotion out there.
- 29:35Speaker 3: So that like, first and foremost, that's what I want
- 29:37Speaker 3: to do, and most of the time it's just me
- 29:40Speaker 3: beating the shit out of my kid.
- 29:43Speaker 1: But also like.
- 29:45Speaker 3: I also like love, love and hate writing for idle
- 29:50Speaker 3: threat stuff because a lot of times, like when we
- 29:53Speaker 3: do write songs, I'll play something and it gets quote
- 29:56Speaker 3: unquote like dumbed down, watered down a little bit. That's
- 29:59Speaker 3: all though, I mean, I mean yeah, and like you know,
- 30:03Speaker 3: I'm not a flashy guy anyway, Like you know, most
- 30:06Speaker 3: people can run circles.
- 30:07Speaker 1: Around me on a drum set.
- 30:10Speaker 3: Technically I'm not very great, and I'm not looking for
- 30:14Speaker 3: compliments or any shit like that.
- 30:15Speaker 1: I just that's it's true.
- 30:17Speaker 3: I try.
- 30:18Speaker 1: You're not very great, thank you.
- 30:21Speaker 3: I just you know, I want to be better than
- 30:23Speaker 3: I was the record before, and then, you know, I
- 30:26Speaker 3: want to keep things spicy enough to people, so people
- 30:29Speaker 3: like seep listening to us. But I do play very
- 30:33Speaker 3: I call them like caveman drums on a record, because one,
- 30:37Speaker 3: it fits my style I'm slaying live, and it also
- 30:42Speaker 3: fits our music, because when you're writing music, you should
- 30:45Speaker 3: try to serve a song instead of just playing this
- 30:48Speaker 3: like over the top, like ridiculous phil over this vocal
- 30:52Speaker 3: harmony and that makes no sense together, you know. So
- 30:56Speaker 3: I would rather, you know, quote unquote take a back
- 31:00Speaker 3: seat to a song and allow Zeke to like deliver
- 31:04Speaker 3: some like beautiful harmony and not take away to like
- 31:08Speaker 3: from a listener, like you know, on what's really going
- 31:12Speaker 3: on in in first and foremost area of a song. Yeah, yeah,
- 31:20Speaker 3: I mean that that's Was that good enough for you? Yeah?
- 31:22Speaker 1: No, I think that's actually that's that's relatively confirming of
- 31:26Speaker 1: my thoughts. So like when I hear you and and
- 31:30Speaker 1: I don't feel like I hear this very often anymore,
- 31:33Speaker 1: like maybe in like seventies disco music. Like not that
- 31:37Speaker 1: you have any style that's like close to the seventies
- 31:40Speaker 1: disco music, but it's like a it's a it's a
- 31:43Speaker 1: thought process that's at least in my mind, relatively similar
- 31:46Speaker 1: where you're serving the song first and foremost. Obviously that's
- 31:51Speaker 1: clear whenever you listen to an idol threat song, but
- 31:54Speaker 1: your drumming style, I feel like you almost attack it
- 31:59Speaker 1: like a guitar would, where you almost play in riffs
- 32:05Speaker 1: like you play riffs. You don't play fills necessarily in
- 32:09Speaker 1: my opinion, because I think it, I think there's like
- 32:12Speaker 1: a slightly different situation, you know what I mean. Like
- 32:14Speaker 1: it's like a phil is like here's a little accent,
- 32:17Speaker 1: but it's something fun, but like you're you're playing, it
- 32:22Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it fits the mold of what I
- 32:24Speaker 1: hear in most heavier music. And part of that, I
- 32:30Speaker 1: think is that kind of ham fistedness that you have.
- 32:32Speaker 1: You know, you you beat the living dog out of
- 32:34Speaker 1: the drums. But I think you play in riffs like
- 32:38Speaker 1: you you almost play like like a guitar player would
- 32:43Speaker 1: would play guitar. At least that's how I can like
- 32:46Speaker 1: best like describe it in my head. I don't know, Mason,
- 32:50Speaker 1: do you have like thoughts like that too, Like do
- 32:51Speaker 1: you would you do kind of pick up on what
- 32:53Speaker 1: I'm saying.
- 32:57Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, like I have, I have thoughts around
- 33:01Speaker 2: your drumming. I don't know if it's like congruent with
- 33:03Speaker 2: what you're what you're describing the way I think of
- 33:06Speaker 2: your drumming honestly, and you might get a kick out
- 33:09Speaker 2: of this, JJ, but like I kind of think of
- 33:11Speaker 2: it almost as like drunken drum like drumming where it
- 33:15Speaker 2: it feel like it no, bear with me for a second,
- 33:19Speaker 2: Like I I think I think this is like along
- 33:24Speaker 2: the lines of what you were trying to say earlier,
- 33:26Speaker 2: justin where you're drumming. Definitely like it's not super super
- 33:31Speaker 2: technical kind of drumming. Uh And And honestly, I do
- 33:34Speaker 2: think like if that drum, if if you had very
- 33:37Speaker 2: technical drumming in idle threat, it just wouldn't really work
- 33:40Speaker 2: well with the rest of the sound of the music.
- 33:42Speaker 2: Whereas like you have this like drumming that kind of
- 33:45Speaker 2: like it is sort of all over the place in
- 33:48Speaker 2: terms of like kind of just I think to be
- 33:51Speaker 2: really interesting fills but not necessarily the most like technical
- 33:53Speaker 2: kind of fills or risks or yeah yeah, like I
- 33:57Speaker 2: guess you could say it, but like it kind of
- 33:59Speaker 2: it reminds me of like the kind of drumming you'd
- 34:01Speaker 2: hear from like drug Church of like it just feels
- 34:04Speaker 2: a little like or tiny moving parts like that guy.
- 34:08Speaker 2: When I think of his drumming, it feels very drunken.
- 34:10Speaker 2: It feels like, okay, that's a really like that person's
- 34:13Speaker 2: probably a really good drummer, but like the way that
- 34:15Speaker 2: they're playing makes it seem like they're drunk in the
- 34:18Speaker 2: moment where they're not quite as like on time on
- 34:21Speaker 2: every little thing. But it almost adds an element to
- 34:24Speaker 2: the music that you wouldn't otherwise get because it's a
- 34:26Speaker 2: little maybe it's a little slow or it's a little
- 34:28Speaker 2: too fast to the riff, but it just like adds
- 34:31Speaker 2: kind of this unique element because it's just slightly off
- 34:34Speaker 2: in a way, but like a really adds to it
- 34:36Speaker 2: because it's just slightly off.
- 34:37Speaker 1: It's almost like nineties emo style to be honest. Yeah,
- 34:41Speaker 1: I mean, now that I think about it, it has
- 34:44Speaker 1: like a lot of like similarities to like sunny Day
- 34:47Speaker 1: real Estate or something like that.
- 34:48Speaker 3: Almost that is, yeah, I've heard that quite a bit actually, right,
- 34:52Speaker 3: hence hence my timy moving parts comparison. Yeah, it's like,
- 34:56Speaker 3: why why didn't you drum in like a nineties like
- 34:59Speaker 3: alternative bands, which truthfully that would have been like you know, like, dude,
- 35:03Speaker 3: my my favorite band in the world is Jimmy World's
- 35:06Speaker 3: and like, hell, you know the their drummer, Zach. He
- 35:10Speaker 3: is not the best drummer in the world, right, but
- 35:12Speaker 3: like to me he's like one of the most influential
- 35:14Speaker 3: because he just plays the songs. But no, there there
- 35:19Speaker 3: absolutely was. At first when you said drunk and drumming,
- 35:24Speaker 3: I was like, dude, you're just saying you're being nicer
- 35:27Speaker 3: than just saying like, dude, you're sloppy and.
- 35:29Speaker 2: Loud, which it could be that, but also it I
- 35:35Speaker 2: think it actually serves the music really well. Again, I
- 35:38Speaker 2: think Idle Threat wouldn't sound really interesting to me as
- 35:42Speaker 2: a listener if it was really technical drumming. And it
- 35:44Speaker 2: was like so like perfectly timed. The fact that there
- 35:47Speaker 2: is kind of just like this like almost almost like
- 35:52Speaker 2: this authentic sloppiness to it, almost really makes it amazing
- 35:58Speaker 2: to me, honestly, Like, I think it actually really is
- 36:01Speaker 2: an added element to.
- 36:02Speaker 1: It, you know, Okay, ma, there's a little side tangent.
- 36:04Speaker 1: But this, this does serve a purpose. And this is
- 36:08Speaker 1: a story I had heard from on like this documentary.
- 36:12Speaker 1: It had Neil pert in it, and Neil perts no
- 36:14Speaker 1: one for being like one of the most technically on
- 36:16Speaker 1: time drummers of all time. Like if you put him
- 36:19Speaker 1: up against a computer, he's almost exactly in line with
- 36:23Speaker 1: the computer. And in the nineties when the grunge movement
- 36:26Speaker 1: was going on, he felt like he had reached a
- 36:32Speaker 1: level of perfection in terms of his timing, to the
- 36:36Speaker 1: point that he actually hated his own recordings because it
- 36:39Speaker 1: was it was too odd, so it always sounded perfectly quantized.
- 36:45Speaker 1: And so he actually went and learned from a guy
- 36:48Speaker 1: somewhere in New York. I can't remember the guy's name,
- 36:50Speaker 1: but he played for a punk band or something like that,
- 36:55Speaker 1: and he was he said, I want to play like this,
- 36:59Speaker 1: and I think he pointed or to like a I
- 37:01Speaker 1: think he pointed in Nevermind from Nirvana. He said, I
- 37:05Speaker 1: want to play sloppier because I need to have that feel.
- 37:10Speaker 1: So like he was like actually trying to go back
- 37:12Speaker 1: and find that feel because he said it felt more
- 37:16Speaker 1: authentic to him than what he was able than what
- 37:19Speaker 1: he was doing. Yeah, I don't know.
- 37:23Speaker 3: It makes me think of like like and maybe this
- 37:27Speaker 3: is not a popular take or whatever in the music
- 37:30Speaker 3: world now, but to me, I do think it has
- 37:34Speaker 3: like the punk roots of like I don't know, like
- 37:37Speaker 3: I want to go see a person play like you know,
- 37:41Speaker 3: this set or whatever, and you know, I don't know,
- 37:45Speaker 3: you see too much of this, Like I guess we're
- 37:49Speaker 3: using technology too much, like in the music world, And honestly,
- 37:54Speaker 3: this bleeds over into like everything else you can talk about.
- 37:57Speaker 3: You know, I won't even like, you know, get into
- 37:59Speaker 3: AI and all that. But it's like, you know, if
- 38:02Speaker 3: I wanted to go hear a record like perfectly and
- 38:06Speaker 3: like in time and like you know, you know, sounds
- 38:10Speaker 3: just like the CD or whatever, then I'll just stay
- 38:12Speaker 3: home and like spin a record or like listen to
- 38:16Speaker 3: a song on my you know phone or whatever. But like,
- 38:21Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something more human about going to
- 38:23Speaker 3: a show and like seeing people actually bend the strings
- 38:27Speaker 3: or hit the drums or you know, yell or sing
- 38:31Speaker 3: or whatever. And I think we're losing like a lot
- 38:33Speaker 3: of that the more technology advances. And this is another
- 38:39Speaker 3: ramp for another day, probably not on a podcast, but
- 38:42Speaker 3: it's just like I don't know, like I'm just a
- 38:44Speaker 3: dumb punk kid at heart and just want to see
- 38:46Speaker 3: people play their instruments and you know, sing to a
- 38:50Speaker 3: crowd and like when it comes to recording and stuff
- 38:54Speaker 3: like that too, like you know, touching back on the
- 38:56Speaker 3: idle threat stuff to make some of the bare bones
- 39:00Speaker 3: demos that we were just like tossing ideas back and forth.
- 39:04Speaker 3: DJ actually went and bought like an electronic drum set
- 39:08Speaker 3: and I hate that thing, Like I hate it mostly
- 39:12Speaker 3: because it takes forever to like program that shit and
- 39:15Speaker 3: like you know, get it all connected and like moving.
- 39:18Speaker 3: It is horrible and you know, all of the programming
- 39:22Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. But also like, dude, there's sometimes
- 39:25Speaker 3: like you'll hit like an electronic kit and like there's
- 39:28Speaker 3: like a delay or like it doesn't register what you're
- 39:32Speaker 3: hitting and because you hit it hard. Yeah, well, dude,
- 39:35Speaker 3: even like even like me trying to lay down these
- 39:37Speaker 3: demos and stuff like that, I would be like barely
- 39:40Speaker 3: playing and it either wouldn't pick it up or it
- 39:42Speaker 3: would be like off, and it just gets to a
- 39:45Speaker 3: point where it's just super frustrating and not even worth
- 39:47Speaker 3: trying to do actual fills or anything. So then everyone
- 39:51Speaker 3: in the room's frustrated, you know. Uh So, like, I
- 39:54Speaker 3: don't know, I've hated that part of our process, but
- 39:58Speaker 3: it worked for.
- 39:59Speaker 1: Like just ruin ideas around and stuff.
- 40:03Speaker 3: But yeah, my favorite thing about all that, though, is
- 40:08Speaker 3: I call them the we rock band drums. So anytime
- 40:11Speaker 3: it was like we're gonna get together in demo, I'd
- 40:13Speaker 3: be like, all right, so am I playing a real instrument?
- 40:15Speaker 3: Or are we getting the wee rock band drums out?
- 40:19Speaker 3: And yeah, DJ and I are probably the only ones
- 40:22Speaker 3: I think that's funny.
- 40:23Speaker 1: But uh I think it's funny, dude. I don't know.
- 40:28Speaker 1: I just I hate all the electronics stuff, dude.
- 40:30Speaker 3: I And like I said, it's probably an unpopular opinion,
- 40:34Speaker 3: but yeah, well spoken.
- 40:36Speaker 2: Like a true you've got you got to you got
- 40:37Speaker 2: two other guys that at least will back you on that.
- 40:40Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I would even take it another
- 40:44Speaker 1: step further and I'd say, like, like a live performance,
- 40:46Speaker 1: I don't want to see choreograph shit either, like if
- 40:50Speaker 1: you stay like I remember, I remember like people were
- 40:54Speaker 1: like some of my friends would get back from like
- 40:56Speaker 1: as Warped tour and they'd be like, oh my gosh,
- 40:58Speaker 1: I saw so and so and they all like headbang
- 41:00Speaker 1: to the exact same time. And then like you know,
- 41:04Speaker 1: like you have the stick stickley crab core shit and
- 41:07Speaker 1: everyone's doing the exact same it's the exact same time,
- 41:10Speaker 1: and I'm like that sounds boring. I'm sorry it does.
- 41:14Speaker 3: Yeah, authentic. Uh, there there are places where this stuff
- 41:20Speaker 3: works and is like you know, necessary, but it's like
- 41:24Speaker 3: if I go see bands and I see them with
- 41:26Speaker 3: like two laptops on stage and like no real amps
- 41:31Speaker 3: and stuff like that, it's just like, I don't know,
- 41:33Speaker 3: it takes something away from me.
- 41:35Speaker 1: You know, it's like daft punk. And then I'm then.
- 41:39Speaker 3: Like it's fine if people are playing to time codes
- 41:42Speaker 3: and they have like all that kind of stuff, Like
- 41:44Speaker 3: I don't even care really that much about backtracks, but
- 41:46Speaker 3: it's like once the stuff starts like piling up, it's
- 41:49Speaker 3: just like it's just kills it for me.
- 41:51Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
- 41:56Speaker 2: Well, I remember, like you know, I've I've shown clips
- 42:00Speaker 2: to like like people who are like drumhead, you know whatever,
- 42:04Speaker 2: drum snob people, and I'll show them because in my
- 42:07Speaker 2: mind I think of someone like Aaron Gillespie is like,
- 42:09Speaker 2: oh my god, like he is so good at drums,
- 42:11Speaker 2: and he is, obviously, but if you like compare him
- 42:13Speaker 2: to like all these like professional drummers, he's nowhere near
- 42:16Speaker 2: as technical and that's probably super true. So like I'll
- 42:20Speaker 2: show someone like airing to all these people who are
- 42:22Speaker 2: professional drummers and they're like, oh, yeah, he's good, and
- 42:26Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, that's your reaction to that, is he's good.
- 42:29Speaker 2: Like to me, I'm like, this is mind blowing, like
- 42:31Speaker 2: and for them, the way they describe it is like, yeah,
- 42:34Speaker 2: he hits his drums really hard and he's really creative,
- 42:37Speaker 2: but he's not like being technical at all, Like he's
- 42:39Speaker 2: not technically getting all this stuff right. And I'm like, oh, oh,
- 42:44Speaker 2: like you really clearly like value that technicality far more
- 42:48Speaker 2: than like making drums sounds like something you've never heard before,
- 42:53Speaker 2: or that you're just like your emotion to it is
- 42:56Speaker 2: just so raw that you can't help but like be
- 43:00Speaker 2: the shit out of the kit. And for whatever reason,
- 43:03Speaker 2: like there's someone like me or pretty much anybody else
- 43:06Speaker 2: who likes punk and hardcore and whatnot. Like, we just
- 43:09Speaker 2: value that far more than the actual technicality. And that's
- 43:12Speaker 2: why I appreciate your like your drumming sound than like
- 43:16Speaker 2: somebody else who would be the you know, true technical
- 43:19Speaker 2: professional drummer or whatever.
- 43:21Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy because like in our world, especially like
- 43:25Speaker 3: Gillespie comes up a lot. I know some people that
- 43:29Speaker 3: like absolutely hate Gillespie's drumming because it's not technically sound
- 43:33Speaker 3: or whatever, and.
- 43:35Speaker 1: Like I just think that's so dorky.
- 43:37Speaker 3: Like this is why I, like I really avoid like
- 43:39Speaker 3: conversations like that with other drummers and stuff, because it's
- 43:42Speaker 3: like one music is all subjective anyway, Apples and orges,
- 43:47Speaker 3: you know.
- 43:48Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I don't know, like I I.
- 43:53Speaker 3: Don't know, terrriciaries drummer is much better than I am.
- 43:57Speaker 3: But there's still somebody out there that's probably crazy enough
- 44:00Speaker 3: to be like you know what, I like, idle threats
- 44:02Speaker 3: like drum style better.
- 44:04Speaker 1: Well I was just gonna say that, like, like Mason
- 44:06Speaker 1: and I, let's say, let's take let's take a relative contemporary, right,
- 44:10Speaker 1: like Matt Grinder, like your rips, Like he's great, but
- 44:20Speaker 1: for me, does it do anything necessarily? No, And I
- 44:23Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of people that it does.
- 44:25Speaker 1: But I would take you over Matt Grinder Wild Wild.
- 44:29Speaker 2: And not just because of loos, because of your actual drumming.
- 44:33Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, dude.
- 44:37Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to fluffy up baby, I'm just
- 44:39Speaker 1: saying I know, I know did I.
- 44:42Speaker 3: I will say like the tour that we did with
- 44:45Speaker 3: Norma Jean two years ago now was like one of
- 44:50Speaker 3: the most like encouraging, like months of my life. Because
- 44:55Speaker 3: Matt's either drummer, dude, his incredible behind a drum set. Yeah,
- 45:03Speaker 3: but he also is like one of those guys that's
- 45:05Speaker 3: just like everything subjective, you know, So like he was
- 45:08Speaker 3: like super encouraging to me, and like, I don't know,
- 45:12Speaker 3: it's just like it was so sick. Like Normal Jean's
- 45:15Speaker 3: one of my favorite bands. So like I'm very very
- 45:17Speaker 3: very biased, but like I don't know, like just getting
- 45:20Speaker 3: up and playing our set or whatever and like feeling
- 45:23Speaker 3: good whatever, and then like Matt would get up and
- 45:25Speaker 3: just like rip it, you know, and then like we're
- 45:28Speaker 3: like buddy buddy after this shows and stuff. That's so
- 45:31Speaker 3: cool because like it's people make stuff like into a
- 45:36Speaker 3: competition and it's just whack like.
- 45:40Speaker 1: I don't know, We're just we should be.
- 45:42Speaker 3: It's entertainment, you know, you should be enjoying this outlet
- 45:45Speaker 3: instead of making it some sort of like circle jerk.
- 45:48Speaker 1: You know it's true. Well, it's true.
- 45:52Speaker 2: I mean circle jerks are fine though too right, I.
- 45:55Speaker 1: Mean sure the band or what good?
- 46:00Speaker 2: And yeah both both?
- 46:02Speaker 3: Yeah both that we're we are pro circle jerk in
- 46:05Speaker 3: this room right now.
- 46:07Speaker 1: We're not in the same room. And I'm not sure
- 46:10Speaker 1: if I am a part of.
- 46:12Speaker 2: This, well you are now you can you can always
- 46:16Speaker 2: leave the session.
- 46:17Speaker 1: I'll try, I'll try.
- 46:20Speaker 2: Uh JJ. Speaking of Norma Jean, both you and Norma
- 46:24Speaker 2: Jean are going to be playing at Furnace festus here
- 46:27Speaker 2: super stoked to see you and just.
- 46:28Speaker 1: Over the shed of all places, and in the shed.
- 46:31Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all are playing in the fucking shed. Uh yeah,
- 46:35Speaker 2: what like just tell us, like, you know, just from
- 46:37Speaker 2: your own particular performance at Furnace FESTI all are planning
- 46:40Speaker 2: like any like fun things that you're excited about. It
- 46:44Speaker 2: sounds like maybe one or two more new songs that
- 46:46Speaker 2: you're going to be playing. But yeah, just like love
- 46:49Speaker 2: to hear just your specific uh kind of performance with
- 46:52Speaker 2: Idle Threat, and then we can talk about like other
- 46:53Speaker 2: things that you're obviously very excited about with Furnace Fest.
- 46:56Speaker 3: Yeah, so for us, I try not to make promises
- 47:01Speaker 3: because I'm just one guy.
- 47:02Speaker 2: But uh uh, we get any in the in your mics.
- 47:09Speaker 1: Maybe I'll find a way just for you. I just
- 47:12Speaker 1: dresses while you play.
- 47:15Speaker 2: I would love with the chariot on that Halloween Halloween.
- 47:19Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I do it. That would be well.
- 47:24Speaker 3: Okay, so the first the first year that we played Furnace,
- 47:26Speaker 3: all of us shaved so that we had mustaches. So
- 47:30Speaker 3: we'll probably do something small like that. I don't know
- 47:33Speaker 3: if we'll do the dress thing, but just go balls out.
- 47:38Speaker 2: If I get John Cooper to like yell at you.
- 47:41Speaker 1: Yeah, no, okay, okay, okay, okay. I want to go
- 47:44Speaker 1: on tour with Skille cause would want to me. That
- 47:48Speaker 1: would be like, oh my god, I would have a
- 47:52Speaker 1: field day.
- 47:52Speaker 2: Can I be? Can I be your merch guy?
- 47:54Speaker 3: I was actually just about to say that you shave
- 47:57Speaker 3: tour manage us if we ever do that, so yeah, yeah, absolutely,
- 48:04Speaker 3: I did.
- 48:04Speaker 1: That would be so funny. That would be fun Just
- 48:07Speaker 1: we can just be at his ear all night.
- 48:10Speaker 3: Yeah, we would get kicked off that tour, so f no,
- 48:14Speaker 3: not you, just Mason.
- 48:15Speaker 1: Or I'll be your fall guys, somebody's gotta but yeah,
- 48:26Speaker 1: furnace man.
- 48:29Speaker 3: I still would love to open or at least play
- 48:33Speaker 3: the King of the Hill theme song. I think you
- 48:36Speaker 3: and I joked about that before. Yeah, I would love that,
- 48:41Speaker 3: but definitely I want to play a new song or two. Yeah,
- 48:46Speaker 3: we'll probably have some random guest spots and that kind
- 48:49Speaker 3: of thing. But I mean not trying to be cheesy
- 48:52Speaker 3: or anything, but I just hope people have fun during
- 48:54Speaker 3: our set, and I hope people dig it.
- 48:56Speaker 2: So hell yeah, if you if you want like any precedent,
- 49:00Speaker 2: uh you know, if you if you need like some
- 49:01Speaker 2: like kind of uh ammo for for the rest of
- 49:05Speaker 2: the band about the King of the Hill thing. Uh,
- 49:08Speaker 2: just so you know, the Callous Dowboys last year opened
- 49:11Speaker 2: up like before you know, as they're getting on stage,
- 49:14Speaker 2: they came out to the like every time we touch,
- 49:17Speaker 2: I get this field lead and every time we kiss
- 49:19Speaker 2: because got so they came. They came out with that
- 49:22Speaker 2: song last year. So like if that like gives you
- 49:24Speaker 2: a little bit of like, hey, we might be able
- 49:26Speaker 2: to do like the King of the Hill thing. That'd
- 49:27Speaker 2: be nice. Uh you know, maybe maybe that's like, hey,
- 49:30Speaker 2: the the dow Boys did this.
- 49:33Speaker 1: Dude, So the Calus dow Boys.
- 49:36Speaker 3: H if you want my bold take, I know if
- 49:39Speaker 3: like tweeted this and like posted it and stuff.
- 49:41Speaker 1: But the Calous Dowboys.
- 49:43Speaker 3: Are the best live band since the Chariot. Therefore, so
- 49:47Speaker 3: that is we we do not hold a candle to
- 49:51Speaker 3: them at all. But DJ and I, especially in Idle Threat,
- 49:55Speaker 3: we love them. I've been singing their praises for a while.
- 50:00Speaker 3: We got to play with them back earlier this year
- 50:03Speaker 3: at home when they were on tour with sixty eight
- 50:06Speaker 3: and it was just such a fun show. And Nashville
- 50:09Speaker 3: goes crazy for them, but as they should.
- 50:11Speaker 1: They're bess live band currently.
- 50:14Speaker 2: What would be the hesitancy from a band like Idle
- 50:18Speaker 2: Threat to be able to just come out to the
- 50:21Speaker 2: King of the Hill theme song? Like, what would be
- 50:24Speaker 2: that hesitancy? Is it like this, like that feels too
- 50:26Speaker 2: cheesy or whatever? Because to me, in my mind, like
- 50:29Speaker 2: if I were in a band right now, I'd be
- 50:31Speaker 2: like that would be so funny and people would immediately
- 50:35Speaker 2: be like, who is this.
- 50:37Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's funny because like we we've played it before, Like, uh,
- 50:43Speaker 3: I think it's just some like I know, some hometown
- 50:46Speaker 3: shows we were just we were like open sets with
- 50:49Speaker 3: it or something.
- 50:51Speaker 1: It was hilarious. But it's I don't know, We're in
- 50:54Speaker 1: this weird like.
- 50:55Speaker 3: Spot right now where I'll walk on eggshells a little bit.
- 50:59Speaker 3: Some people taken a little too serious when they shouldn't.
- 51:04Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, I I feel like we
- 51:08Speaker 3: could people could be convinced. I just haven't really tried yet,
- 51:13Speaker 3: but I'm I think I'm a push for it the
- 51:15Speaker 3: next couple of weeks.
- 51:16Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like a smaller like a smallerish band,
- 51:18Speaker 2: like you know, think of like when those bands were
- 51:20Speaker 2: you know, like like when The Chariot was. You know,
- 51:23Speaker 2: I obviously like Chariot had Skagin and you know, Skoguin
- 51:26Speaker 2: was already kind of becoming a legend with Norma Jean
- 51:28Speaker 2: at that point, but like even the Chariot was like
- 51:30Speaker 2: a small band at one point and they were still
- 51:31Speaker 2: doing all the dumb, weird shit that they were coming
- 51:34Speaker 2: out on stage with. And it's like, to me, as
- 51:36Speaker 2: a fan, I'd be like, what is this and then
- 51:39Speaker 2: immediately like they go into chaos or they go into whatever,
- 51:42Speaker 2: like just this heavy music. To me, like as a fan,
- 51:44Speaker 2: I'm like, that is that is memorable? Like it actually
- 51:47Speaker 2: leaves me an impression. If I don't know your band already,
- 51:50Speaker 2: it leaves me with like, oh that, like that was
- 51:53Speaker 2: really memorable. I should check them out again, like you know, yeah,
- 51:56Speaker 2: check out their Spotify or whatever, and then that could
- 51:58Speaker 2: potentially lead me to one and to you know, see
- 52:01Speaker 2: them more, you know, buy their music or whatever. Like,
- 52:03Speaker 2: but it just it builds to me, it builds like
- 52:06Speaker 2: a memorable experience than just like simply coming out and
- 52:10Speaker 2: just playing your first song.
- 52:13Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 52:13Speaker 3: My my favorite thing I think we've ever done opening
- 52:16Speaker 3: a show the last like dozen er shows that we've
- 52:20Speaker 3: played over the last two years. We would come out
- 52:23Speaker 3: to a song called the Tennessee Waltz and it's you know,
- 52:29Speaker 3: just this like old like sixties song about this lady
- 52:34Speaker 3: getting cheated on, but it's called the Tennessee Waltz and
- 52:38Speaker 3: we would play it up until about I think it
- 52:41Speaker 3: was after the chorus of that song or something, and
- 52:43Speaker 3: then we would kick into whatever we were starting a
- 52:46Speaker 3: set with. And it was so fun like and we
- 52:52Speaker 3: we've kind of overdone it now, so we won't we
- 52:54Speaker 3: won't do that again. But if people got to see that,
- 52:57Speaker 3: that probably my favorite transit or opener or whatever that
- 53:02Speaker 3: we've we've done as a band.
- 53:05Speaker 1: My dream is that sometime sometime in the future, some
- 53:09Speaker 1: band I don't care if it's title threat, but I
- 53:12Speaker 1: hope it is. I want someone to do Randy Newman's
- 53:15Speaker 1: You've Got a Friend in Me. That would be so sick.
- 53:18Speaker 1: I mean how I mean, that's how you just like
- 53:20Speaker 1: build camaraderie right away. You get the crowd on your
- 53:23Speaker 1: side and then you just tear their faces.
- 53:27Speaker 2: That's a song everybody loves. I don't care who you are,
- 53:29Speaker 2: and it just like when you were born.
- 53:31Speaker 1: It puts in a mood. You know. That's a good
- 53:34Speaker 1: one that I'm I'm gonna I might send a little
- 53:38Speaker 1: text message. Plus, that would be a lot of fun
- 53:41Speaker 1: for like Nathan and DJ to like maybe like work
- 53:43Speaker 1: in some like cool guitar licks for it. Yeah they
- 53:47Speaker 1: can do it.
- 53:48Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, before we get into top five stuff, Uh,
- 53:55Speaker 2: what else are you excited about with furdus Fest? Besides
- 53:58Speaker 2: playing for fest?
- 53:59Speaker 1: Is there is your girlfriend coming by?
- 54:01Speaker 3: The way.
- 54:01Speaker 1: Yeah, Ellie will be there, Mason was wondering. I thought
- 54:04Speaker 1: I would ask for him. Yeah, yeah, my better halfs.
- 54:07Speaker 2: And then my other you know, last time we met
- 54:09Speaker 2: her was when I don't even know if you guys
- 54:11Speaker 2: were quite dating yet, but we met her at the
- 54:13Speaker 2: first time we hung out at furnesce Fast.
- 54:16Speaker 1: This is true, and there's a little story with this.
- 54:18Speaker 2: Remember Mays, Yeah, when you almost got in a fight.
- 54:22Speaker 1: Well there's that part too, But there, I mean like
- 54:24Speaker 1: every single time we're like, do you like this girl?
- 54:26Speaker 1: And you're like no, no, no, no.
- 54:28Speaker 2: No, yeah, and then it was like what like six
- 54:30Speaker 2: months later or whenever, it was like, I'm pretty sure
- 54:33Speaker 2: that was a girl that we met at furness Fest
- 54:34Speaker 2: with from was.
- 54:36Speaker 3: It's it's so funny because that is what we started
- 54:39Speaker 3: calling like our anniversary, like when we were like official furnace.
- 54:45Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was.
- 54:47Speaker 2: Like the can we kind of be like unofficial matchmakers?
- 54:52Speaker 1: Oh no, y'all are absolutely getting some credit for this.
- 54:56Speaker 2: All right, I'll expect that Whiting invite in a couple
- 54:58Speaker 2: of years.
- 54:59Speaker 1: Oh, absolute next month.
- 55:00Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 55:03Speaker 3: We we uh, we have been seeing each other for
- 55:07Speaker 3: like a couple of months and then like, you know,
- 55:10Speaker 3: just trying to like feel it out and like kind
- 55:12Speaker 3: of you know is that you go shut the ah.
- 55:18Speaker 3: So uh yeah, we were. We're just in that weird
- 55:22Speaker 3: spot like trying to like figure everything out or whatever.
- 55:24Speaker 3: And then it was like right before furnace where it's like, no,
- 55:28Speaker 3: this is like going really well blah blah blah. And
- 55:31Speaker 3: then that weekend we were just I was like introducing
- 55:33Speaker 3: her to people like yeah, it's like.
- 55:34Speaker 1: My girlfriend blah blah blah blah, and like.
- 55:37Speaker 2: We like we didn't ruin it for you.
- 55:39Speaker 3: Know, absolutely not, but uh no, no, no, it's uh yeah,
- 55:45Speaker 3: we've been together about two years now, so love it.
- 55:48Speaker 1: She seems like a sweetheart, and you know the seer
- 55:51Speaker 1: rules before.
- 55:54Speaker 2: Much better looking than you are, do you guys get married, or.
- 55:57Speaker 1: If you guys get married, if if that's in the
- 55:59Speaker 1: in the cards for you, let's get like furnaces tattooed
- 56:02Speaker 1: on you or something like that.
- 56:03Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I was gonna get Cullen and she's
- 56:06Speaker 3: gonna get Mason, and then we'll just you know, have
- 56:09Speaker 3: like the f's or whatever, the furnace fest f's I'm getting.
- 56:13Speaker 1: I feel like I'm getting the better end. Of this deal.
- 56:15Speaker 1: Not gonna lie. I'll put you on my uh your
- 56:19Speaker 1: right cheek, okay, yeah, even better your pointing, he loves
- 56:23Speaker 1: for a second.
- 56:24Speaker 2: But yeah, well again, wait what what your top cheeks
- 56:27Speaker 2: or your bottom cheeks?
- 56:30Speaker 1: He's a bottom cheek, he said, butt cheeks.
- 56:33Speaker 2: Okay, there's want to make sure.
- 56:35Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you know what I I think we're
- 56:37Speaker 1: gonna pull an audible as well with the with the
- 56:39Speaker 1: old top five. Because here's the deal. Justin's been on
- 56:44Speaker 1: a bunch and uh, I kind of want to have
- 56:47Speaker 1: some fun adding some extra color here. So we're gonna
- 56:51Speaker 1: actually do a snake draft, a short one. Three items. Okay,
- 56:57Speaker 1: favorite barbecue sides, So let's go. We'll start with Justin.
- 57:02Speaker 1: We'll go to Mason, then to Me, then to Me,
- 57:04Speaker 1: then to Mason to Justin. Yeah gotta actually Justin, you
- 57:09Speaker 1: get to go first, man, all right, in the four
- 57:13Speaker 1: barbecue sides draft.
- 57:16Speaker 3: Uh so, man, there's so many good ones, but I
- 57:22Speaker 3: think just the Tennessee and me. I gotta go with
- 57:25Speaker 3: some corn bread. Corn Bread's gonna be my number one choice.
- 57:29Speaker 3: I'm gonna write all this down to you. I can't
- 57:31Speaker 3: get lost, but yeah, corn Bread's gonna be my number
- 57:34Speaker 3: one pick. All right, He's always there for me, baby.
- 57:37Speaker 1: I love. Do you do you do like the honey
- 57:39Speaker 1: and butter or do you just like rod dog? It
- 57:41Speaker 1: just cornbread, dude, corn bread so versatile you could like
- 57:46Speaker 1: you could throw some like calipinot cheddar in that bad boy.
- 57:49Speaker 2: Oh, I love a good Valapino cheddar corn bread.
- 57:51Speaker 1: Tear that up right now.
- 57:53Speaker 2: Definitely, I definitely enjoy more of a savior corn bread.
- 57:55Speaker 2: But you know what, I I totally get the honey
- 57:58Speaker 2: version too.
- 57:59Speaker 1: I'll like you with a little bit of Texas mustard
- 58:01Speaker 1: on there, you know, like the okay, the hot tangy mustard. Yeah,
- 58:05Speaker 1: hot tangy, sweet bad boy, give me all. I see
- 58:09Speaker 1: it sweaty in here. It's all right, Mace, you're up well.
- 58:14Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to compete with corn bread, But
- 58:17Speaker 2: I do think a good second option is a good
- 58:20Speaker 2: mac and cheese. And not just any mac and cheese,
- 58:22Speaker 2: but a mac and cheese that's got a little bit
- 58:23Speaker 2: of a like kind of crusty top. Whether that's you know,
- 58:28Speaker 2: from a little bit of like corn corn corn crumbs,
- 58:32Speaker 2: trying to say bread, bread crumbs. That's what I'm trying
- 58:34Speaker 2: to say, some little baked bread crumbs out top, or
- 58:37Speaker 2: maybe you just like put a layer of cheese and
- 58:39Speaker 2: get it nice and crusty. But some sort of crustiness
- 58:42Speaker 2: I think goes a long way with mac and cheese.
- 58:44Speaker 2: So I feel like mac and cheese is just like
- 58:47Speaker 2: a classic side dish for a good barbecue.
- 58:49Speaker 1: I agree, that's a good stuff I'm gonna go with.
- 58:52Speaker 1: I'm gonna go my in my first My first pick
- 58:56Speaker 1: here is gonna be firecracker corn on the cob some
- 59:01Speaker 1: of that, but like the sweet corn version some people
- 59:04Speaker 1: do like just like the dent corn guy. No, I
- 59:06Speaker 1: want that. I want no field corn. I want. I
- 59:09Speaker 1: want some sweet corn with the firecracker. And then my
- 59:14Speaker 1: second is gonna have to be, uh, the steak fries,
- 59:18Speaker 1: you know, Okay, nice crispy steak fries, the soft centers again,
- 59:24Speaker 1: the Texas mustard. I don't know what it is about
- 59:26Speaker 1: me and Texas mustard, but I got a thang for it,
- 59:28Speaker 1: you know, Dip it in some of that, maybe get
- 59:31Speaker 1: a little a little bit of barbecue sauce on it
- 59:33Speaker 1: every once in a while. Good stuff.
- 59:35Speaker 2: Mm hm.
- 59:37Speaker 1: Back to Mason.
- 59:39Speaker 2: God, there's so many other good options. Uh, I don't
- 59:43Speaker 2: really know. Okay, this might be controversial, but I will say,
- 59:49Speaker 2: if you get a good side of collared greens.
- 59:53Speaker 1: Uh, whoa, that's your number two pick.
- 59:56Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're a good side of colored greens
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: can go a long ways.
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: I respect it.
- 1:00:04Speaker 2: Now, you could do color greens if when color greens
- 1:00:07Speaker 2: go wrong, they go really wrong. But if done really right,
- 1:00:11Speaker 2: they compliment a barbecue.
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: So well, I'm into it. I'm into it, all right,
- 1:00:18Speaker 1: all right, justin man, I just gotta go classic. I'm
- 1:00:24Speaker 1: just I'm going with beans. Man, what kind of be
- 1:00:27Speaker 1: just like regular pinto beans? No seasoning or what tell
- 1:00:30Speaker 1: me about them?
- 1:00:31Speaker 3: Man? Okay, so gun to my head, I'm picking white beans.
- 1:00:34Speaker 1: I love white beats, like the navy beans. Great. Yeah,
- 1:00:38Speaker 1: it's so good, dude.
- 1:00:41Speaker 3: But I mean, well, salt and pepper on and white
- 1:00:44Speaker 3: beans can't go wrong. But also, I don't know baked beans,
- 1:00:47Speaker 3: like if I could throw if it's an all encompassing
- 1:00:52Speaker 3: bean option, then I mean you could just do so
- 1:00:55Speaker 3: many things with them.
- 1:00:56Speaker 1: But well, you sniped me on that one. I'm sorry.
- 1:01:00Speaker 1: It takes a cowboy some cowboy beans.
- 1:01:02Speaker 3: But you know how, dude, cowboy beans.
- 1:01:05Speaker 1: It's my jam Boy howdy. My mom makes cowboy beans
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: like every Thanksgiving and I'll eat probably half a gallon
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: of it. It's bad, ye, bad for the bathroom as well,
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: I'll say, Man, I don't know, it's like some extra
- 1:01:23Speaker 1: fiber up in that, which certainly is it certainly is
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: Mason all right?
- 1:01:30Speaker 2: Uh oh, okay, beans are picked. How about this a
- 1:01:36Speaker 2: good potato salad?
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: It cannot be Sila Meninga's potato.
- 1:01:44Speaker 2: I mean, supposedly hers is good.
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: I know that was the one good thing that she makes.
- 1:01:49Speaker 1: You're right, okay, sorry.
- 1:01:50Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, like people say, it's really good,
- 1:01:53Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure. Let's put
- 1:01:56Speaker 2: it this way. There's probably better potato salad in the world.
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: But I do think I'm not a big potato salad fan.
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: But a good potato salad can go a long ways.
- 1:02:06Speaker 2: And obviously it's just a classic. It's a total classic.
- 1:02:09Speaker 2: In the barbecue world.
- 1:02:10Speaker 1: You gotta do it. But there's a very strong distinction
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: between potato salads. I mean, you've got like your German
- 1:02:15Speaker 1: potato salad, which is like kind of like a vinnergrey
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: salty kind, and then you got like your your Midwestern,
- 1:02:22Speaker 1: which is like kind of like creamy but doesn't have
- 1:02:25Speaker 1: much else for taste. And then you've got like your amish,
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: which is like a little bit more dilly. And then
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: you've got like you got like what my mom makes,
- 1:02:33Speaker 1: which is like this like wonderful tangy deliciousness with like
- 1:02:36Speaker 1: a little bit of egg in it. Even so like
- 1:02:39Speaker 1: what what like.
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: Rout you've got a little bit of egg going on.
- 1:02:42Speaker 2: I mean, I I think they all are fine. I
- 1:02:46Speaker 2: think they're all good, but uh, I don't know. I
- 1:02:49Speaker 2: mean whatever, I here's the thing. I grew up in
- 1:02:51Speaker 2: South Dakota. What are what what is my real experience
- 1:02:56Speaker 2: of Southern potato salad? It's not like big of of
- 1:03:01Speaker 2: an experience. But you know, I'll just you know, go
- 1:03:04Speaker 2: go with whatever good Southern recipe of potato salad. You know,
- 1:03:08Speaker 2: I'm sure that's great. Yeah, all right, if you get
- 1:03:12Speaker 2: if you get like, you know, not not to be
- 1:03:15Speaker 2: too stereotypical, but if you get like a woman who's
- 1:03:18Speaker 2: got those like kind of jangly uh potato salad, that's
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: gonna be the best potato salad you've ever had in
- 1:03:27Speaker 2: your life. And I'm just saying that is the way
- 1:03:30Speaker 2: to go. So whatever that woman in the world, I
- 1:03:33Speaker 2: don't where. I don't care where she lives, but especially
- 1:03:35Speaker 2: if she lives in the South. That is the potato
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: salad you want for your barbecue.
- 1:03:39Speaker 1: Absolutely, I I don't disagree, right, final pick in the
- 1:03:43Speaker 1: barbecue sides draft pick. I don't know how you guys
- 1:03:48Speaker 1: miss this. This is like, this goes with all things barbecue.
- 1:03:54Speaker 1: Fucking slob bro oh man, give me some tangy sweet
- 1:04:00Speaker 1: saw and I'm in. I love me some slaw. I
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys. You can put it on
- 1:04:05Speaker 1: literally everythinge plate, doesn't matter what it is. Put it
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: on there, eat it on the side.
- 1:04:13Speaker 3: But also like if people, you know, people throw it
- 1:04:16Speaker 3: on a pull port sandwich. That's fine with me too.
- 1:04:18Speaker 3: I'm tearing it up. Yeah, cool sauce is so.
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: Good Memphis, I'm in. I'm in. But even if you
- 1:04:23Speaker 1: throw it on, like if you throw it on like
- 1:04:25Speaker 1: the baked beans for some reason, I find that delicious
- 1:04:28Speaker 1: as well. It's fine. That's the trick, you know.
- 1:04:31Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I again, I do prefer in
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: terms of vegetables with your barbecue, I do prefer to
- 1:04:39Speaker 2: collar green over a slab but you know what a
- 1:04:41Speaker 2: good slaw does go along ways?
- 1:04:42Speaker 1: It does, it does honorable mention anybody that one.
- 1:04:47Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like we named a lot of good ones.
- 1:04:49Speaker 2: Here's here's one that it might be a little bit unorthodox,
- 1:04:53Speaker 2: but you think in certain context, it's actually a pretty
- 1:04:55Speaker 2: classic barbecue side dish. Remember calling when we made that,
- 1:05:00Speaker 2: uh that like corn side thing that I made for
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: my birthday party. Yes, that like that can be I
- 1:05:06Speaker 2: think a good like barbecue. Like sometimes you see like
- 1:05:08Speaker 2: kind of that like corn that's like grilled up, but
- 1:05:10Speaker 2: it's like shaved off.
- 1:05:11Speaker 1: It's like a Texas barbecue. You can have some lowd at.
- 1:05:14Speaker 2: Your at your Yeah, a little a little something like that.
- 1:05:18Speaker 3: Dude, I'm gonna I'm gonna shout out pickles and I
- 1:05:21Speaker 3: think only chose two.
- 1:05:22Speaker 1: But pickles, well you only chose Oh yeah, you were
- 1:05:25Speaker 1: supposed to do another one, weren't.
- 1:05:26Speaker 3: You corn bread and beans, baby, And I would have
- 1:05:30Speaker 3: done slaw but no, it's it's all good, baby.
- 1:05:33Speaker 1: No, you can you can have slaw. You know what.
- 1:05:35Speaker 1: I will pick though, And it's also my honorable mention
- 1:05:38Speaker 1: because you got slaw.
- 1:05:40Speaker 3: Fried okra Okay, that's a good one.
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: That's A great one is Okay, what about what about
- 1:05:51Speaker 2: like some sort of watermelon.
- 1:05:53Speaker 1: I can't eat watermelon, you know, I.
- 1:05:55Speaker 2: Know you don't like it, but I'm just saying it.
- 1:05:57Speaker 1: In general.
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: A good classic one is some kind of watermelon.
- 1:06:00Speaker 3: Yeah, watermelon, pineapple, pineapple is the gym.
- 1:06:04Speaker 1: I can do that, dude, kind of like cinnamon pineapple.
- 1:06:08Speaker 1: You ever do that?
- 1:06:09Speaker 3: Oh, dude, that are like that uh ta heene stuff.
- 1:06:13Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I also.
- 1:06:20Speaker 3: Want to shout out my my truest love in life,
- 1:06:24Speaker 3: the devil eggs.
- 1:06:25Speaker 1: I love devil eggs. It makes me have I love
- 1:06:29Speaker 1: double eggs. Dude. Have you ever had Scotch eggs? Like
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: when the Scotch eggs? I don't.
- 1:06:34Speaker 2: I don't think I ember I know what they are,
- 1:06:36Speaker 2: but I don't know.
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: If we have had change one monks in six Falls
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: at one time. You definitely came we.
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: Had we had, remember that.
- 1:06:44Speaker 1: But all right, Scotch eggs, Yes, they were so good. Yeah,
- 1:06:49Speaker 1: They're great for like soaking up some some drank, you know. Yeah,
- 1:06:54Speaker 1: all right.
- 1:06:54Speaker 3: Jade, I gotta get you all down in my neck
- 1:06:57Speaker 3: of the woods so we have I know.
- 1:06:58Speaker 2: What the hell have to the amount of people I
- 1:07:01Speaker 2: know in Nashville, and I've never once step foot in Nashville.
- 1:07:05Speaker 2: It blows my mind. There just should be no reason
- 1:07:07Speaker 2: that I've know so many people in Nashville have never
- 1:07:10Speaker 2: been there.
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: Next summer, we're gone. We're gonna make it house.
- 1:07:12Speaker 2: Do it. Okay, let's do it.
- 1:07:14Speaker 1: You you get a hold of to it though, justin.
- 1:07:16Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all, y'all gonna get sad if y'all come down
- 1:07:18Speaker 3: here and hang out with me.
- 1:07:19Speaker 1: But I'm good with it. I'm in. I'm in as
- 1:07:24Speaker 1: long as I'm only fat for like a week, It's okay.
- 1:07:28Speaker 1: How long can I stay before I've overstayed my stay
- 1:07:31Speaker 1: with you? How do you think that's possible?
- 1:07:35Speaker 2: Oh, you don't know, Colin.
- 1:07:37Speaker 1: I think you got tired of me in like an hour. Dude,
- 1:07:39Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Nah? I like in that challenge.
- 1:07:44Speaker 2: Colin's like my parents like I can like I can
- 1:07:46Speaker 2: do like a maximum of like seventy two hours.
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: And that's the same. It's the way I feel about
- 1:07:51Speaker 1: Mason too. Great. We're great.
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: I'm glad. Actually, it's probably the fact that those feelings
- 1:07:56Speaker 2: are mutual. It is why we could be best friends
- 1:07:58Speaker 2: for sixteen years.
- 1:07:59Speaker 1: I think that's the case, I think you're right, y'all.
- 1:08:01Speaker 3: Y'all just like kiss and makeup and then just like
- 1:08:03Speaker 3: part ways for a little bit.
- 1:08:04Speaker 2: And well it doesn't even we don't even we know
- 1:08:06Speaker 2: our breaking limits, so we don't even get to a
- 1:08:08Speaker 2: point no, like we never got to be at before
- 1:08:14Speaker 2: that even comes, uh you know, possible reality, and then
- 1:08:17Speaker 2: we depart our waist.
- 1:08:18Speaker 1: Although I will say, Mason, if we ever go backpacking sometime,
- 1:08:22Speaker 1: like for like three days out in.
- 1:08:23Speaker 2: The woods, I don't, I just don't think I would
- 1:08:25Speaker 2: do it with you. I don't think I would.
- 1:08:26Speaker 1: Do that with you could do that. I don't think
- 1:08:28Speaker 1: we could do that.
- 1:08:28Speaker 2: I just I I would refuse to do.
- 1:08:31Speaker 1: That, mainly because you would shit in the woods and
- 1:08:32Speaker 1: it smells so bad. And I know this from experience.
- 1:08:36Speaker 2: And I would only do it if it was nice
- 1:08:38Speaker 2: and snowy where it can have a little frozen day.
- 1:08:40Speaker 1: It didn't help at all.
- 1:08:42Speaker 2: Oh God, that felt so nice.
- 1:08:43Speaker 1: We smiled for a mile that we walked for a mile.
- 1:08:46Speaker 1: We still smelled as ship.
- 1:08:47Speaker 2: That definitely was the top three most satisfying ships I've
- 1:08:50Speaker 2: ever had in my life.
- 1:08:51Speaker 1: That's the same weekend you clogged a toilet man.
- 1:08:55Speaker 2: No, no, No, that was a year.
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: That was a couple.
- 1:08:56Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not denying I didn't do I did that.
- 1:09:04Speaker 2: I'm just saying it was a couple of years later.
- 1:09:06Speaker 2: Don't conflate them on the same week.
- 1:09:08Speaker 1: It was the same, the same place though.
- 1:09:10Speaker 2: It was it was it was Colorado. Yeah, I had
- 1:09:13Speaker 2: I've had my fair share of bathroom experiences in Colorado.
- 1:09:17Speaker 1: Can we do can we do some backpacking near Memphis?
- 1:09:19Speaker 1: Is there is there any place in the uh the
- 1:09:21Speaker 1: old latchings there?
- 1:09:24Speaker 2: Uh? How you you're in Memphis? Now, I thought you
- 1:09:26Speaker 2: were in Nashville.
- 1:09:29Speaker 1: Memphis, Nashville.
- 1:09:30Speaker 3: I have a Memphis hat on. That's where I went.
- 1:09:31Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm That's where I got my bachelor's degree.
- 1:09:34Speaker 3: But yeah, oh, there's plenty of spots out here. I mean, like,
- 1:09:39Speaker 3: that's the coolest thing about Nashville is that you're within
- 1:09:41Speaker 3: driving distance and just some really really pretty places.
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: So yeah, y'all.
- 1:09:48Speaker 3: Come down here and we'll we'll hang out in the woods,
- 1:09:51Speaker 3: we'll go get some grub, we'll hit the city, you know,
- 1:09:54Speaker 3: or whatever's happened love it? Yeah?
- 1:09:57Speaker 2: All right, Well, JJ, we're gonna see you in five weeks.
- 1:10:00Speaker 2: Gonna be a big hug. We might even give you
- 1:10:01Speaker 2: a kiss, who knows, but we're excited to see you.
- 1:10:04Speaker 2: It's gonna be a hell of a time. And uh yeah,
- 1:10:08Speaker 2: or or just excited. We're excited for LP two and
- 1:10:10Speaker 2: we're excited to see you and hang out and jam
- 1:10:13Speaker 2: out to idle Threat.
- 1:10:15Speaker 3: No, I can't wait, guys, hell yeah,