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👙 Sports Bras, Boomboxes, and a VERY Rude Old Lady · No Dribble

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: You're listening to a DM podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We'll try to keep it as nice as we can,
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: but you might hear the occasional swear word in No Dribble.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell them.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to No Dribble. I think this
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: is episode twenty four. I don't know. I've run out
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  Speaker 2: of songs. I've run out. I can't keep track of
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  Speaker 2: where we are anymore, but we know that we are
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  Speaker 2: loving it. This is the podcast where we talk about Netbull,
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: but we talk about so much more. My name is
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  Speaker 2: Carolyn Swindell. I'm joined in studio again, which is very
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  Speaker 2: nice because I was all on my lonesome last week
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  Speaker 2: by someone. If it sounds like I'm whispering, probably doesn't
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  Speaker 2: because it never does. But it's because she's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit tender in the head this week. But I'm joined
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  Speaker 2: by Kath Cox and from the far North Coast, Liz
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  Speaker 2: Ouris Liz Elis. We're all here again together. Kath, you're
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: looking a little bit tender. Do you want to tell
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  Speaker 2: us what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I'm too old to party two nights in
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  Speaker 3: a row and it wasn't crazy on the Friday night.
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  Speaker 3: I know this is I'm not good at backing up anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And I had two nights in a row, had dinner
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  Speaker 3: with friends that was meant to be quiet, ended up
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  Speaker 3: bigger than it should have. And then I had a
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  Speaker 3: fiftieth the following night and got home at three am.
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  Speaker 4: Good job does that at our age?
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  Speaker 1: Job?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've got a theory. So like the twenty
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  Speaker 2: first were fun because everyone's parents are paying. The thirtieth
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  Speaker 2: I found a bit boring because a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: knew mortgages, some people having babies whatever. The fortieth got
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  Speaker 2: a bit more wild because it's like, yep, kids are
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  Speaker 2: with a babysitter, let's go. The fiftieth could kill me. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: because everyone's got money, everyone goes hard. I went to
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  Speaker 2: one that was at a gin distillery, and I had
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  Speaker 2: to go to the chiropractice twice in the weekendfter.
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  Speaker 3: Now you need to explain that, because I would have
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  Speaker 3: understood the hangover from the gym.
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  Speaker 4: That's solid, that's solid drinking. But what was the chiropractice.
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  Speaker 2: Falling down on the dance floor. It's it's a medical condition,
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  Speaker 2: PFD pissed fall down, that's what's there.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I know doctors who have told me that if
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  Speaker 6: you see PFD written on your notes in hospital or
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  Speaker 6: in an emergency department, they know they think you were
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  Speaker 6: drunk when you hit yourself. Probably part of the course
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  Speaker 6: of my fiftieth, we had this great DJ and we're
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  Speaker 6: in a country hall near my house, and lots of
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  Speaker 6: people traveled for it, and the next day we had
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  Speaker 6: a recovery barbecue at my place, and very similar to you, Carolyn,
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  Speaker 6: none of us had massive headaches because we all got
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  Speaker 6: into dancing with it's great DJ, and we all danced
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  Speaker 6: all night and so but the next morning none of
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  Speaker 6: us could walk because we're all like.
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  Speaker 1: Step I'm going, oh my back, oh my legs, oh
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  Speaker 1: my views, oh my that.
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  Speaker 3: But that is the best thing about a property too,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it. Because our friend's fiftieth on the weekend was
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  Speaker 3: they've got this beautiful property out in dural and so
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  Speaker 3: there's no noise restrictions. So the music was pumping right
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  Speaker 3: until two o'clock when we left. And but it came
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  Speaker 3: down to then picking the best song, what's the best
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  Speaker 3: song to get everyone on the dance floor or to
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  Speaker 3: have a big singalong. And I got to tell you
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  Speaker 3: it was mister big be with you, you know, the one.
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  Speaker 1: Who wants to be.
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  Speaker 4: That was the winner, that was the front runner for
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  Speaker 4: the single.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I did not see that coming.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what would you have thought?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: What's what My friend Sarah has a great story from
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  Speaker 2: that when she was at boarding school and in about
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  Speaker 2: year nine. She was at a boarding school, so I
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  Speaker 2: want to say Timber, but you know it's somewhere. It's
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  Speaker 2: not one of the city boarding schools. But she was
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  Speaker 2: in about year nine and then wonder and she had
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  Speaker 2: the big you know, the braces with the external bracket
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you're quite awkward. Year eight, year nine.
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  Speaker 2: But she said there was a moment every time she
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  Speaker 2: hears that song and now every time I hear and
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  Speaker 2: I think of this, that the whole boarding house got
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  Speaker 2: together singing that and it was on her boombox. So
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  Speaker 2: she felt like really cool because they were all together
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  Speaker 2: singing that, just singing their hearts out. And every time
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  Speaker 2: I hear that, I just think about these girls, and
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  Speaker 2: I think about little Sarah now, who is the most
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  Speaker 2: beautiful smile you've ever seen. Now, by the way, so
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  Speaker 2: it was well worth the investment in the orthodontic time
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  Speaker 2: and torture, but just im the one who wants.
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  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, I can't believe you said boombox.
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  Speaker 2: Well it was the boom box.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 6: When we went to the rugby seven's recently, almost every
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  Speaker 6: team had a massive boombox and there were people walking
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  Speaker 6: around with their boombox.
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  Speaker 1: No one takes a little like I.
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  Speaker 6: Thought we'd moved to the little highe pods speakers a
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  Speaker 6: little like speakers.
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  Speaker 1: We're back to boomboxes.
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  Speaker 6: The kids are into their boom like they're a bit
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  Speaker 6: more sleep looking than they used to be.
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  Speaker 1: But the boom boxes are back, baby.
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  Speaker 4: The boom boxes are back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like long socks. You know, they're all back.
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  Speaker 1: All the kids have got them.
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  Speaker 2: She never went out of style. And thet ball circles,
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  Speaker 2: by the way.
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  Speaker 4: That's what.
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  Speaker 3: That depends on the size of your thighs. But I'll
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  Speaker 3: have to I tell you one of the funniest things
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  Speaker 3: happened on the way to this party.
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  Speaker 4: Because it was out a fair distance from us.
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  Speaker 3: We thought we're not going to uber it because ubers
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  Speaker 3: were like one hundred and twenty bucks or something ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: So we got the train.
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  Speaker 3: But we got on the train and there was these
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  Speaker 3: two beautiful, probably eighty plus little old ladies sitting there,
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  Speaker 3: and so I was with Alison Broadband and Meghan Anderson.
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  Speaker 3: We got on the train and this one of the
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  Speaker 3: ladies said, Oh, it's so lovely to see ladies wearing dresses. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: the dress standards have changed you, Like, my old lady was,
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  Speaker 3: the dress standards have changed so much over the years.
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  Speaker 3: When I used to go out, I would wear a
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  Speaker 3: hat with matching gloves and matching shoes, and I'd have
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  Speaker 3: those beautiful tall heels. And she said, you know, back
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  Speaker 3: then and they used to call those follow me home
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  Speaker 3: and fuck me heels.
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  Speaker 1: I kid you not.
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  Speaker 3: I nearly wet my pants, that's but it was one
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  Speaker 3: of those my it's.
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  Speaker 1: Like, did that?
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  Speaker 4: Did I hear that?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Did that actually happen?
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  Speaker 3: So I looked around at Alison and Meghan to check
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  Speaker 3: and they were crying their eyes out, laughing like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so that officially happened, love it?
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  Speaker 1: You believe my god? What that hang on?
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  Speaker 6: Are you saying that that sort of thing happened before
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  Speaker 6: the seventies?
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  Speaker 2: Clearly having sex before we were born?
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  Speaker 3: What? Yeah, Well, maybe this lady, I don't know where
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  Speaker 3: she'd come from.
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  Speaker 4: But she was on the train to the bush.
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  Speaker 1: So what do your friends say?
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  Speaker 3: They laugh, No, the friend just clearly has heard that
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  Speaker 3: a thousand times before.
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  Speaker 4: Come out of her mark because she didn't even register,
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is mate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever had those moments we're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: did that actually happen?
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  Speaker 2: I have this one. This has stayed with me. So
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  Speaker 2: this was in Oh God, must be maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: last century. I don't know, but I was. I was
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  Speaker 2: in a workplace where there was open secret of the
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  Speaker 2: boss and one of the young women and in the
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  Speaker 2: office having a He wasn't the boss, actually he was
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  Speaker 2: second in chard one of the young women in the
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  Speaker 2: office having an inappropriate relationship. He was married, she wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But we ended up at his place for the Christmas party,
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  Speaker 2: and when we arrived, I said, where's the bathroom? And
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  Speaker 2: he said to her, Oh, can you just show Carolyn
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  Speaker 2: where the bathroom is? And it's like, well, that's very
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  Speaker 2: interesting that she obviously knows her way very well around
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  Speaker 2: this house. And while we're up there, she took me
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  Speaker 2: up into the en suite put on his wife's perfume.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah I know, and it's like, okay, this is like
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  Speaker 2: it was such bitchy power moves. But then later on
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  Speaker 2: his wife came home none too happy to see all
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  Speaker 2: these pissed people in his house, quite right, and so
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: so we're sort of trying to kind of and she
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  Speaker 2: knew we were coming, but it was like clearly and
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  Speaker 2: then she said to this young woman, oh, that's the
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  Speaker 2: perfume I wear. And this young woman said to her
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  Speaker 2: to the wife, yeah, I know he bought it for
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  Speaker 2: you because I wear it, and I know it was
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  Speaker 2: the most appalling. We left very soon after, and that
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  Speaker 2: marriage ended very soon after.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was awful.
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  Speaker 2: It was really this young woman who was far too young.
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  Speaker 2: He was taking advantage of her. She was about twenty
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  Speaker 2: three or twenty four, but you know, old enough to
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  Speaker 2: make a good decision, but clearly just testing her power
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  Speaker 2: and trying to make his wife feel I want you
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  Speaker 2: to know what's going on. It's like, okay, we all
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on here, and we're all leaving now.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse us?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Well I feel sick. Yeah, that makes me feel ill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I much prefer the swearing eighty year old. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: I have heard some other shocking news during the week.
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  Speaker 2: I read this on the Conversation. If you don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the Conversation is, it's where a lot of universities
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  Speaker 2: academics will write articles on there about there about their
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: recent don't look at you every day? Yeah, well absolutely
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  Speaker 2: she would like it because it's well written. It's journalistic style,
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  Speaker 2: so it's easy to read stuff about a whole range
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  Speaker 2: of things. And I was reading this article about sports
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  Speaker 2: bras and this has come out of I think it
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  Speaker 2: was out of the University of Woollongong, but anyway, it's
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  Speaker 2: a credible sports science department. Do you know sports bras
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  Speaker 2: are designed to be thrown out after twenty five washes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, no, I've heard that.
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  Speaker 4: And do you know who told me that?
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  Speaker 3: So El Card that plays for the Mavericks does sports
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  Speaker 3: bra reviews and does it on her social media. And
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  Speaker 3: she told me that because she said she really struggled
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  Speaker 3: to find any that she liked because she's bigger boob,
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  Speaker 3: and the ones that she did like, she would wear
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  Speaker 3: and wear and wear until they were barely hanging by
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  Speaker 3: a thread.
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  Speaker 4: But then she heard that amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Statt five washes, I reconize, so when I read this.
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  Speaker 2: I went through my sports bras. Some of these I've
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  Speaker 2: had for oh yes, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's under a.
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  Speaker 3: Player or no underwy the sports bra I can't wear
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  Speaker 3: me neither two bloody uncomfortable. It depends on the size
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  Speaker 3: of your jubblies. I suppose, Elizabeth, yeah, because you've got
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  Speaker 3: have been.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say big.
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  Speaker 2: Well, bigger.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: A when I played at different times I did well, yes,
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  Speaker 6: but now I'm you know, menopausal and back to what
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  Speaker 6: I should be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to see.
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  Speaker 6: Right, So I'm definitely, But I've always been an underwire.
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  Speaker 6: I get, you know, better coverage, better structural support. But
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  Speaker 6: I did play with someone prior to Catherine being in
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  Speaker 6: the Australian team. She played in the Australian team. She
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  Speaker 6: was very fit, very lean, and she tried, Yes, she
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  Speaker 6: tried to wear sports bars, but every time her she
• 10:39
  Speaker 6: lifted her arms up because she didn't have any boobs
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  Speaker 6: of sports brown her neck, so so she didn't did
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  Speaker 6: she No, she stopped wearing them after a while. She
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  Speaker 6: was like she was whereas.
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  Speaker 4: Very fit and lean pancakes.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to be.
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  Speaker 6: Nicey but yeah, but that means like sports brows are expensive,
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  Speaker 6: they're like fifty bucks. So you're saying it's two bucks
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  Speaker 6: of wash. Really every time you wash it, it's two bucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if there's any way to
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  Speaker 2: preserve this or or whatever there is.
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  Speaker 3: You don't train problem solved because if you think about
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  Speaker 3: us doing five or six sessions a week, that's three weeks.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta chuck your brari out.
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  Speaker 2: Well you could have two bras. That's exten Yeah, sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Just professional interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought that was very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Did you do a clean out?
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  Speaker 6: Then?
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  Speaker 2: I did do a clean out? Yeah, and I bought
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  Speaker 2: two new ones through through four or five out and
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: bought two new ones.
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  Speaker 3: So when you do a gym session, are you talking
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  Speaker 3: about like weights, you would have a proper sports bro
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  Speaker 3: on as opposed to a crop.
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  Speaker 4: Top or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, because we don't across fits. You don't
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  Speaker 2: just like a session. You don't just do weights. You
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: do weights and then you do a met con of
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: cardio session. So there's always some high impact type start right, Roger, So.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: You've just reminded me.
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  Speaker 6: I'm having this conversation with my daughter at the moment,
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  Speaker 6: who has just obviously finished netball, like Saturday netball for
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  Speaker 6: the season and finish rugby. And she says she wants
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  Speaker 6: to get fit out over the off season and she
• 12:15
  Speaker 6: wants to start to do gym work and speedwork and
• 12:17
  Speaker 6: that sort of stuff. Do you know with your expensive CrossFit.
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  Speaker 1: Experience, like she kids, like, is it appropriate.
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  Speaker 6: For a thirteen year old to be doing sort of
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  Speaker 6: weights and that sort of stuff. I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 6: that for the last twenty four hours after this conversation
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  Speaker 6: about like, I always thought the best way for a
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: kid to get fit for netball season was to play
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  Speaker 6: a sport with a different sport over summer, like I
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: don't know whatever, like don't train, just go and.
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  Speaker 1: Play another sport, cross train. But she sort of really
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: came to do it.
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  Speaker 6: So but then I have somewhere in the back of
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  Speaker 6: my head that waits, you shouldn't do waits until you
• 12:49
  Speaker 6: finish growing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I don't know where that has come from.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly I know a lot of young people who are
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  Speaker 2: doing weights, and I think it's very good for them.
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  Speaker 2: But I am not a sports scientist, so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, come on give me some useless advice.
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  Speaker 2: There's degree sorry, I mean, if she's not doing heavy
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  Speaker 2: heavy weights.
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  Speaker 3: That's not an issue, is it, like if you're just
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: doing body weight climb metrics or.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that that whole I remember you telling
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  Speaker 2: me this years ago, Liz, when you were were on
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  Speaker 2: the board of the Institute of Sport or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: Once upon a time, I was on the border of
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: the Sports Commissioner and the new South Bares Institute of Sports.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it was around about then, and
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: you were telling me that they were predicting a problem
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  Speaker 2: with young people coming through because very few of them
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: could hold their own weight on a bar. And you
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: know that people kids aren't swinging on monkey bars and
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: doing all of that stuff and in climbing.
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  Speaker 1: Trees, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I actually that that problem has been around for a
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: little while because there was some research that came through
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  Speaker 6: a few years ago, and all the testing is showing
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  Speaker 6: that kids are coming through now when they hit it
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: and when they get into elite programs, I just don't
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  Speaker 6: have the same core strength as they had in the eighties,
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: nineties on early two thousands. From climbing trees, playing outside,
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: all the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That we all grew up doing.
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  Speaker 6: It gives you a core strength and a balance and
• 14:08
  Speaker 6: all that sort of stuff, so they've actually had to
• 14:10
  Speaker 6: start that sort of that's sort of training much much earlier.
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  Speaker 1: So now I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: It was just something that I've come at you without
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  Speaker 6: noticing that question, simply because I was thinking about it
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  Speaker 6: this morning. At what point is it appropriate for a
• 14:22
  Speaker 6: kid to want to go and do weights? And I
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  Speaker 6: think I might just say to a year go for
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: your life, we just take you to a gym.
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  Speaker 4: Can you remember when you started?
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: I reckon, Yeah, I was at the AIS, so I
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  Speaker 1: might have.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I might have done them like at school in
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: school things, but we see it given ways programs and
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: don't tell anyone. But I never used to do them
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: until I went to camera and went, oh, we have
• 14:45
  Speaker 6: to do lights now, mainly because I didn't know lot
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: my parents never went to the gym. They wouldn't know
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: when theyre a gym from the other, and so I
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: was a bit like, oh, I don't really know what
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: to do. Whereas if my daughter says I want to
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: go to the gym, I'm like, yeah, okay, And do
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: you want to do circus? Do you want to do freeways?
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: Wan do powerlifting? You want to do I think it's
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: I've been giving it all the options about what to do,
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: but trying to figure out what the best thing is
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: for a growing fat in your own bodies.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: And I suspect that the answer is it's any of
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: those are appropriate, but it's the amount of weight that
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: they're lifting and how they are doing it, and obviously
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: when you are. You know, for anyone, it's like, if
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: you are going to start lifting weights, you don't just
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: go straight for something super heavy. You need to you
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: need to build it. And it's so there's no real
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: difference between pulling your own body weight up above a
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: bar then picking up a bar and lifting it. You know,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: they're so so if it's okay for kids to be
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: doing that, then it's okay for them to be I
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: would have thought it's okay for them to be lifting
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: a bar off the ground. Again, I have no qualifications
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: in anything I am talking about at the moment.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Just don't get her into water polo.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I remember when we were with the Australian netball team
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: and we were down at the AIS training and we
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: did a little crossover session with the Australian water polo girls.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: To be selected, they had to be able to bench
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: press their own body weight, and that was one of
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the first criteria.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: If they couldn't do it, they wouldn't get selected. Wow
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: in that Yeah, like I wouldn't be eating trying to
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: get myself skinned here, So I didn't like to.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Not what they're aiming for.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I try to bench press at good seventy five kilos aout.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: That's a definition of counterintuitive.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the first beach press.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: It's a huge one, isn't it. For water polo?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I get that because it's a lot of upper body
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: strengthen you're in the water whatever, But for that to
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: be one of their main criteria, and I'm sure times
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: have changed since then, but that is a ruthless sport,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Water polo is essentially hand to hand combat. Log you're drowning?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Hashtag good God.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: I played it when I was a kid, and I
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: just my definition of a good game for me was
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: not drowning.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: What else happened?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: My son's a water polog I love watching it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing the underwater cameras when they have the
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Olympics and stuff, and you can see how brutal it is.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: People getting out with scratches, and yeah, and.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: They've got to wear like two or three pairs of
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: cousins because the top one always gets ripped off.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So, oh my god. But have you ever played it, Carolyn?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I played it a bit in my twenties. Yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and it's tough. I like it. It's fun. I like
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: being in the water. But yeah, it's a bloody tough game.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting because every year so he plays a
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: winter sport in a summer sport, and you go along
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: as a parent, and it's like at the beginning of
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the water polo season and watching it, it's I've forgotten
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: everything here, Like it's a highly technical game and to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: understand and all the parents what just have no idea
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: what happened. By the end we understand ten percent of it,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and then you've forgotten again by the next year. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: have a question, and it's netball related. Do we talk
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: about netball in this podcast?
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Not in our season, in our last season, aren't we?
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: So?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Okay? So it is we have the first Australian seeing
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the Test match coming up this Sunday and Diamonds are
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: in camp and I did ask you guys, either of
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you if you know this game, Ted ball that they
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: are playing.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: No, do you know they've been playing for ages? It
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: looks from the photos in the video, I've seen a
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: bit like a keepy uppy or like a volleyball kind
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: of thing, like it's a Is that the best way
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: to describe people watch bluey?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: No, do we know what? Keep you up?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? To keep it off the ground you play it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: with some.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Balloon with balloons, but it looks similar to that. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: don't know technically what the rules.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I saw a video where Jamie Lee Price explained the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: rules of ted ball, and I did not understand it anymore,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: but after watching the video than I did before. There's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a river, so instead of a net, I think they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: have a line that they have to get over and
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: they'll call that the river. But yeah, it looks fun,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: but that's what the That's clearly a big part of
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: professional netball training now because I've noticed that they were
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: doing it overseas too.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: We used to do that a little bit, didn't We
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: used to do invisible tag or invisible touch footy or
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: do something different to warm up just for you. Otherwise
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: it's invisible touch, so like touch footy, but there's no
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: ball okay. Yeah, so you just kind of just kind
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: of pretend okay, which is difficult. How do you know
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: if you're touching the person.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: With the ball passing the cooties. I didn't have it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I guess what.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I just touched up.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I feel so violated, Liz. I don't feel safe in
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: this work environment.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I don't feel safe for this work viral it no
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: answer to your question, no, but.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: I'm wondering if it's like if you if they could
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: do us, do us a Ted talk about Ted Bull,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: so you know.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Put us at Technology, Entertainment and Design.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: I would like a Ted talk from an Australian or
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: prior about Ted Bull.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Well, we do have some special guests we are interviewing
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: for our summer series, many of whom have played for
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the Diamonds before. So let's put that down just one
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of our questions to them and we'll let you know.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So that actually wasn't what I wanted to talk about
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: with netball, by the way, Oh okay, I want to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: talk about why don't pick a captain? Who picks the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: captain of the side and what are the factors that
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: go into making that decision.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: So you all go out and the one that lasts
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the longest. Yeah, is the captain.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Well, so you could have been the captain on Saturday night.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: The Captain on Saturday Night.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's very much. That's a flash in the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: pan for Catherine. Normally she's the final phantom.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: You need.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You need consistency. Consistency is keep that's what you were choosing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Well in the olden days, I think before we played
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: it was very much the cost.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You'd wear your hat and your gloves and your high
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: heels into the city, follow me home.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: But certainly when I went through, you had to apply,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: so you had to write a letter to the panel.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: So the panel when I went through was the coach
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: of the Diamonds, the Chair of Netball Australia and the
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Sea of Netball Australia. So you had to write a
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: letter application and then they would grant you an interview.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: So wait, is that letter is just I'm putting my
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: hand up or is it a this is why that
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: would be so good?
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Is it a whole spiel?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So as a.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Covering letter, this is I would like to be considered
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: for the position of Captain of the Diamonds. This is why,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: this is what I would bring to the role my
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: experiences and then you'd.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Attach your CV. So it was just like applying for.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Any other job really, and I don't know if everyone
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: else did this, but the moment every time they asked
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: for anyone like expressions of interest, so I would always
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: tread it like it was a job interview, so I'd
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: send that in and then you go through an interview
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: process and then they would consider and decide. So I
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: think the first time I went through the interview process,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Vicky Wilson got named captain and might have been Carrissa
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: or Shelley got named vice captain. And then the second
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: time I went through, Kath Harvey Williams was the captain
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: and I was a vice captain, and the third time
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: I went through, I was a captain.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So it was quite a process.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: And like I know in other sports, for example, in cricket,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: they have this whole My understanding is they have.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Like a basic keep.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Now they keep files of everyone, right, so as you
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: go through there's records of They're really quite corporate. They
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: set goals for each player and how you set your goals,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: and then when they go to decide on the captain,
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: there's that process. But they also look at how you've
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: performed at the last ten years in the team environment,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: and you know how you contribute and what you contribute
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: to the culture and that sort of stuff. And then
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: the last time the Diamonds went through the process, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: sat on the interview panel. I was like the independent
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: or the outside person sitting on the interview panel. So
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: there was a short list, and then there was a
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: there was a long list, and there was a short list,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: and then there was an interview component the players. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: think the players I can't remember, so don't quote me
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: on this. The players went through a process and they
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: might have formulated the original long list, and so the
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: players do get to say, but they don't get the
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: only say. And in terms of it's a good question
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: and right, because Liz Watson's a Diamonds captain and I
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: don't even know, yeah, right, what the process is on
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: a yearing you basis that she gets a pointed in that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Towards the end of my career, we definitely did a
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: pretty heavy player based kind of group of people. So
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: certain certain leader leadership group was and what they did.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: You used to have to do a three to two
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: one vote for players.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: But because we were heading into this whole open and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: honest communication thing, and we were really trying to push it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: You do your three two one, and then when we
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: were first going through that new sort of leadership and
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: new communication and standards and all that sort of stuff
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: with the team, you actually had to stand up in
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: front of everyone.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And tell you three two one who you voted for,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: which meant exactly there was nowhere to hide. So I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: could have.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Idea like I could have been best mates with Lizellis,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: but I didn't vote for it because I don't think
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: i'd be good because you'd be a good leader. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you were fully the Soviet you, yeah, fully exposed. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it was really really interesting, and it meant that people
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: sitting in the room who thought they.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Should have been really got a good feel of where.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: They sat in the group. It was fascinating and it's interesting.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and you guys did a lot of that
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: evening feedback to like it was after I retired than anyway,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: But I thought that was interesting, right, And like, it
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: depends who the person is facilitating that sort of stuff,
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: because if you have the wrong facilitator, the whole thing
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: could turn into a shit show, and it becomes really acrimonious,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: but done well.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I actually think it was great for you guys.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: It was. It was really liberating.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But also I think, you know, in some environments where
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know, people don't have a good check on themselves,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: it's kind of good at bringing that to the.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Four as well.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So I reckon it was handy in a few groups
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: that we've had, and I'm not sure that they do
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it the same as they did then, but I would
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: imagine there is a very big and a very heavy
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: player component. But in terms of a good leader, the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: ones that would get across the line, obviously is the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: things that have to tick. Got to be great on court,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: but there's also that really strong off court part.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Isn't there?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Like they are the front of the sport, They're the
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: ones that have to get up and speak to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: media and all that sort of stuff. So that's a
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: pretty big part of it, isn't it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It is?
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: And that's why I think you've got like the players
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: should absolutely have the first say in the first cut,
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: and because you want someone who the players, you're going
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: to have a great media performer who the players don't respect, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: So that's no point. So if the players absolutely have
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: to be involved in the nomination of who their leaders
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: might be, and then there has to be a process
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: of well, are they first selected? And I think your captain,
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: maybe not your vice captain, but certainly your captain has
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: to be amongst I think amongst the first selected. Having
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: said that, we've seen the Thunderbirds this year. Their captain
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: isn't the first selected every week and they've been pretty successful.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So there's a number of ways you can do it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: My position those captain has to be amongst the first selected.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: And then you know, there's an organizational risk that has
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: to be assessed by your chair and your CEO about, Okay,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: can this person represent us because they are your spokesperson
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: for your sport? Often can this person represent us? Do
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: they have the experience to engage well with stakeholders? And
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: that's from a Diamond's captain point of view, it's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Often government and sponsors.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: So can they walk into a room and have a
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: conversation and hold their own They don't have to be,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: you know, a Rhodes scholar, but they've got to be
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: able to hold their own and can they represent our sport?
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: And does their past behavior indicate that they're going to
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: bring the sport into disrepute.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Now, I imagine that's a very different conversation in rugby
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: league and cricket circles, and it is in.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Ed full circles.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I don't know what rugby league do, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I do know that cricket have a really stringent sort
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: of process to go through, which is why Shane Warne
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: was never a long term captain of the Test team,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: right because captain, Yeah, that's right, and you know, if
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: it was a popularity contest, potentially he would have been.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: But you know, like all the sports have had to
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: really up their game in this regard because you can't
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: just have When you speak to people in football, they go, well,
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: the gaffer should choose.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's the gaffer's.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Choice, right, And so in soccer and football that's it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: really it's quite a tradition that the coach, the team manager,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: the coach gets to choose. So but then you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: then I don't know what FFA does, but I'm assumed
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: that they've got sort of some more modern governance protesses
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: around that. So it is pretty interesting though, right, because
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: you've got to you've got to find that balance between
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: the person who can represent the sport and the person
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: who can absolutely when the chips are down on the court.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: They're the ones that everyone looks to and goes, what
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: are you going to do? And they go here it is,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: here's a winning player.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because the last Test series against England,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Lizzie Watson became the second highest Australian captain in terms
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: of representation in terms of the numbers and times of numbers.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Interesting because I would have thought you would have been
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: right up there, Liz.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not at all. Decker is the number one?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Is Michelle?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: And then now it's Lizzie Watson.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm way down it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: When I became captain, it was lad in my career,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: so I had the last four years and one of
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: those years I was out by a couple of games
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: because of my knee injury, so I didn't captain that many.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: So is Liz Watson captain until such time as she
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: says I don't want to do it anymore, or there's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: some type of controversy that means she can no longer
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: represent the game, or selection means she's not there, or
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: is there a sort of more frequent we look at
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: this on a regular basis, and I have to reapply
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: every year, does she I don't know about that, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think they would change it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's certainly not broken. They are unbelievably
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: good and successful and consistent and well led. And I
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: think she really showed what she was capable of doing
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: as a leader through the shit show of the last
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: couple of years and what they've had to deal with
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and what they've gone through. So I mean, I don't
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: see it change happening there anytime soon.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: No, And I suspect that there would be some processes
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: in place internally within the Diamonds that if there was
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: an issue with the leadership, it would show up.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to shout through their reviews. So there's reviews.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Done every year around the Diamonds, within the team and
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: then externally, and so anything like that would show up
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: and show whether they needed to be change.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And then you probably have a look at the end
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of every World Cup because.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Actually four year cycle, and you do it to make
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: sure you've got a captain that goes that there is
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: you know, the coaches are pointing through to the World Cup,
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: so you'll point the captain the same, but you have
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: some performance parameters around that so that if you need
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: to have another look.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: At it you can.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So how exciting though, because this test series I mean, no,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: we're not going to go into the depths of it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: But as you said, starts on Sunday and it's four tests,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: which I still.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Think is stupid.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: You need to have a decided to go five at least.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: But so on that, then what's your tip going to be? Then?
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: How many is Australia winning of this one? Seeing you
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: were so good at picking, I was.
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  Speaker 2: So good at picking, and after my son Corps super
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  Speaker 2: and Apple picking the bar, I'm wondering maybe I just
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  Speaker 2: have a magic touch with internationals Now, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go four noil actually okay to Australia, Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 1: I think three to one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking that too, because the last two Constellation
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  Speaker 3: Cups they've played New Zealand haven't lost in New Zealand.
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  Speaker 4: They always seek to win. Yep, last year and the
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  Speaker 4: year before.
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  Speaker 2: So which one? Which one are we going to lose?
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  Speaker 2: Wellington or Auckland.
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  Speaker 4: I think we'll lose the second one?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, they'll be they'll be shocked by our brilliance
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  Speaker 3: in the first one, and then they'll regroup and they'll
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  Speaker 3: win the second one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so annoyed. My mum lives in Wellington and a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times a year I go to Wellington and
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  Speaker 2: it's like she's in Japan at the moment. It's like, Mum,
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  Speaker 2: this would have been such a great time for me
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to come and visit you. But anyway, so I won't thought,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: let's have I know, having had how many years of
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: her travel post retirement, travel years taken away from her
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  Speaker 2: from a pandemic, she should be planning everything around her
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  Speaker 2: adult daughter. And therefore, Yes, when you applied for the
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  Speaker 2: job the first time and you didn't get captain or
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  Speaker 2: vice captain, so was your expectation were you hopeful or
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  Speaker 2: were you going, I'm going to go through this process
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  Speaker 2: and learn about the process. I feel like my time
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  Speaker 2: is coming or what was that like for you?
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  Speaker 6: I was hopeful of being named vice captain, and then
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  Speaker 6: when I went through, I was named vice captain. I
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: was hopeful of being named captain, and like anyone who's
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  Speaker 6: been through a process where you haven't got what you want,
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  Speaker 6: that rejection really hurts. But It was the best thing
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  Speaker 6: that ever happened to me because it made me go
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  Speaker 6: away and learn.
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  Speaker 1: How to be a better leader.
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  Speaker 6: And Catherine will be able to attest to this. When
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  Speaker 6: I first became a leader, it was very much, well
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  Speaker 6: there's no I in team, but there's two in Lizellas,
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  Speaker 6: let's do it my way.
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  Speaker 1: I was very.
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  Speaker 6: It was very dictatorial, and getting rejected made me a
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  Speaker 6: better leader because.
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  Speaker 1: I learned to not want to micro manage everybody.
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  Speaker 6: I learned to understand that there were other things in
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: people's lives that might affect how they performed in training
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  Speaker 6: or in a game, and I had to accept that
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  Speaker 6: and perhaps get to know my teammates a bit better
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  Speaker 6: and understand why and to.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe be able to help them.
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  Speaker 6: And it also made me much clearer on what my
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  Speaker 6: priorities as a leader were.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, when I was younger, I wanted.
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  Speaker 6: To be the captain because you got to do all
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  Speaker 6: the media interviews and you've got all the sponsorships. Whereas
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: you know, you get rejected and you go back and
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  Speaker 6: you think, well, why do I want to do this show? Well,
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  Speaker 6: I want to do it to make the team better,
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  Speaker 6: to make individuals better, to help people be better, to
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  Speaker 6: help the team achieve, and it's not about you. So
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  Speaker 6: it actually was the best thing for me was to
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  Speaker 6: be rejected on the two occasions that I didn't get
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  Speaker 6: the position that I wanted, so that I had to
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: go away and do some thinking about it. So rather
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: than going buses they didn't put me in the job.
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  Speaker 6: You can do that by all means, but that means
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: you never get better. So I just went away and
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: thought long and hard, and I think it made me
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  Speaker 6: a better leader eventually.
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  Speaker 2: So how long was there between the first time you
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  Speaker 2: applied didn't get a position and then when you applied
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  Speaker 2: and were captain?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Four years? Right? Years?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, so you know, Vicky I think got the
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: job on actually Vicky. After Michelle Dendecca retired after the
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: ninety five World Cup, I applied hoping to get the
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: vice captain. It was Vicky and Karissa, that's right, And
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: then Charisa might have done an at some point, yeah
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  Speaker 6: she did, yeah, and then I was hopeful and then
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: they Shelley was the vice captain again. When I look
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: back at now, I'm like, yeah, Shelley was a great choice.
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't ready for it, but I didn't know it
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  Speaker 6: at the time. And then when Vicky after the ninety
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  Speaker 6: nine World Cup she retired and Catherine Harvey Williams became
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: the captain, and then Catherine retired after the two thousand
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: and three World Cup, and then then I became the captain.
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  Speaker 2: So who was your vice captain?
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  Speaker 6: Then Sharrell mart Okay, yeah, so yeah, and then like
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: it depends, right, Sometimes you know, you have a four
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  Speaker 6: year cycle, sometimes you have a two year cycle. It
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: just depends on what people are doing, who gets injured,
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: all that.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: But that rejection was so good for me, just what
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: made me go away and think about leadership, have lots
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  Speaker 6: of conversations with other leaders from other sports to understand
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: what made a good leader within a sport, so that
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: by the time I became the Diamonds captain. And it
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: took me a few years after becoming the Swiss captain
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  Speaker 6: to sort of learn.
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  Speaker 1: How to be a better leader. That I became a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: better leader. But if I hadn't been given the job straighta,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I would never have done that.
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  Speaker 2: Self reflection, Malcolm Turnbull.
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  Speaker 3: I have a fabulous wind beneath our winger this week
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  Speaker 3: and as you say, gold stars all round because it's.
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  Speaker 4: A voice.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, and this has come from Natalie George.
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  Speaker 5: I'd like to nominate Ali taker Munro for win Beneath
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  Speaker 5: My Wings. My name is Natalie George and I am
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  Speaker 5: a member of the First Nation's coaching program Ali has
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: set up and was at the First Nations tournament in
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Melbourne last month. I have been really impressed with the
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: work Ali has done this year to drive so many
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: opportunities for First Nations athletes, coaches and officials. The way
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: that Ali has gone about this provides space for us
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: to feel empowered and I certainly have gained so much
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: courage and confidence in my coaching journey that has enabled
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: me to share this in my community. Ali, your efforts
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: have been life changing and you have given me the
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: courage and confidence to go places I never thought I
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: could have. So you are the wind beneath my Wings.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's great listening. Thank you Natalie. Thank you so
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: much for sending that through.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's another scrunchy that will hit the post this week.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Natalie, well done. You will also get your
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: printy Wines voucher. Thank you very much, So remember please
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: send in your wind Beneath our Wings. That's all we've
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: got time for this week. I'm very happy to say
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that I'm enjoying this podcast as much as I did
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: when we were just young and fresh. Something like fifty
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: percent of podcasts don't make it past the very first episode,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: so we are veterans the podcasting industry.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty four episodes in yep, same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Cox. But I still have a big bone
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