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Ozempic Didn’t Kill Body Positivity — The Hypocrisy Did | Episode 7 · Sincerely American

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  We just, like, walked into the Oval Office and we're like,
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  let's just, like, do a selfie. Yeah.
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  We. It's just actually insane.
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  Like, it's one of those moments where you look back and you,
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  like, don't realize, like, how crazy that is.
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  Like, you were like, in the Oval Office at, like, 22 years old
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  and you were, like 20. Yeah, no, my favorite for the
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  plot, though. I This is just like the thing
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  that came up to mind like first when we were driving on Dupont
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  Circle, like. We're like in a roundabout.
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  Yeah. And do you remember where that?
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  Statue. Is yeah in Dupont Circle in DC
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  and we're like driving around and this was during BLM and we
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  saw like the BLM protesters and. Were we trolling them?
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  We were playing that Bryson Gray songs that his name where it's
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  like Trump is your president. Where you like?
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  It or not and this was in 2020 and we circled around and we
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  scream out with that song blaring MAGA make America great
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  again at like the BLM protesters and they all like stare at us
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  and it was like all a bunch of white chicks to be honest.
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  So they like, all stare at us like, like like horrified by us.
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  And then we got caught in the circle.
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  So we had. To go around, wait, whose car
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  was I drive? It was my ex boyfriend's car.
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  He like stole his car and we had to re circle around because like
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  we couldn't exit or something. We got we were like such bad
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  drivers that we got like caught in the circle.
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  And I will say the second time around we were way less
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  confident. We were like just don't make eye
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  contact, don't make eye contact. We're sitting like this and like
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  all of them are like starting to come over to us because they're
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  like all angry and then we're like gun it and then.
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  Hi, sincerely sisters, and welcome back to Sincerely
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  American. I feel like we had so much fun
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  last episode and I just want to like keep that energy going.
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  It's it's been a great run. Honestly, I feel like this year
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  has just gone by so quickly. Like I literally cannot believe
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  it's November. I know.
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  It's actually insane. We had so much to cover last
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  episode. I felt like everything was, I
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  don't want to say the pace was going well.
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  These girls do not care about the pace of our episode.
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  OK, hold on, Burrito. Yeah, this year has actually,
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  like, flown by for us. It's insane because we were
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  talking about this podcast, I mean, a couple months prior, and
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  then it was like we blinked and we're in Vanity Fair.
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  Like I can't even describe it. OK, I was excited about this
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  because this has been a topic I've been thinking about
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  covering for a while, but I saw this article in the New York
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  Post come out again, and this is just so hot right now.
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  So people are saying that Ozempic has killed the body
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  positivity movement and we'll put this article up that I saw
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  and it says that Amy Schumer deletes all pre weight loss
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  photos from social media as she shows off her trim figure in new
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  snaps. And she's part of a lot of
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  celebrities that have gone on Ozempic.
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  And I'm going to throw out a few names.
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  This is allegedly on Ozempic. I think some of these women have
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  like said and like come out and said that are on Ozempic.
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  I think others people have just assumed.
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  I will say I feel bad for anyone who just like loses weight in
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  this day and age because I think people just assume automatically
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  on Ozempic. But Rebel Wilson was someone who
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  was really into body positivity as well as Megan Trainer, Oprah,
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  Kelly Clarkson and Lizo. And a lot of them are allegedly
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  on Ozempic. So I don't know, like, what do
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  you think about all of this? Yeah, I'm honestly not against
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  Ozempic. I think a lot of people,
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  obviously we don't know the long term effects of it.
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  So that's the iffy part, right, Because it hasn't been on the
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  market for too long. But I mean, if you're wanting to
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  feel your best, you're wanting, you know, to become skinnier,
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  adopt healthier habits, and you're simultaneously going to
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  the gym and trying to eat right, then I don't see the problem
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  with this. The main crux of this for me is
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  a lot of these women and I can think of like Remy Bader, for
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  example, on TikTok, she's a big influencer and a lot of these
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  people have promoted this body positive positivity trend where
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  like, frankly, I'm just being honest, a lot of these women
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  were obese. And it was about like that you
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  shouldn't, you know, slim down because like that standards in
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  society and you shouldn't like kowtow to these standards and
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  instead just embrace your body at this like plus size, size.
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  And I noticed immediately when Ozempic got out, a lot of these
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  celebrities and these influencers started taking
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  Ozempic. So I just, I think it is a
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  little hypocritical and the body positivity movement is
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  definitely dying because of Ozempic.
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  And what's interesting too, and I know this can get kind of
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  controversial to be honest, but a lot of these women like
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  claimed that they were just Born This Way, You know, when they
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  had these obese, I'm just being honest, like obese, very plus
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  sized bodies. And they claim that they were
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  Born This Way. There's nothing you can do about
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  it. This is who they are and they
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  have to embrace it. And so no one, you know, you
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  look at like example airplanes where it's like they're asking
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  for these bigger seats to have two seats or whatever and have
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  these extensions in that we were basically discriminating against
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  people if we didn't like allow them to have two seats for free
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  on the plane. So there's been a lot of these
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  debates, but like you look at photos of people from even just
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  50 years ago and nobody was the size.
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  So I, I don't think that this is natural that you are the size.
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  I do think like in this, in this era, we don't talk enough about
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  the consequences of having a very poor diet and not
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  exercising that does lead to unhealthy body sizes like
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  obesity. And it's interesting that the
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  second Ozempic gets out onto the market, these women are thin and
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  fit. And it it because it suppresses
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  your appetite, which just shows that this is normal human
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  biology. If you eat less and move more,
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  you're going to be skinny. I'm not promoting like that.
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  People like take on this anorexic lifestyle.
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  But at the end of the day, being obese is a lifestyle choice that
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  you are making through overeating and under exercising.
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  The minute that it became easy, because being skinny is not
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  easy, right? Like it, it does take a lot of
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  effort. It takes, you know, self-control
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  and discipline. The minute that there was an
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  easy way out, these women jumped on it immediately and now
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  they're skinny. And I think it also shows that
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  people do like to be thinner, like it leads to a happier
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  lifestyle. And so I do think that there was
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  a lot of lies perpetuated with the body positivity movement.
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  One that this is a healthy body to have.
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  It's not if you are obese, that comes with a lot of horrific
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  side effects of your health like your heart cancer.
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  It's very difficult on your body.
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  I don't think it is a healthier, A happier way to live your life
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  because I think you don't fit in things as well.
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  You're tired more, you're lethargic, you're those won't
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  look as good on you. And so I just find it a little
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  hypocritical that the second Ozempic came out, these women
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  jumped on it. Nothing tastes as good as skinny
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  feels, you guys think. In Joe Bidens America, everyone
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  was settling for mediocrity. In this country, we were handing
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  out participation trophies. Men could compete in women's
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  sports. Body positivity was being
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  glorified. Obesity was being glorified in
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  Vogue and Sports Illustrated. And we really lost our way with
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  that. I mean, if you go back to the
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  90s, if you go back to the 80s when our parents were growing up
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  and you know, we were just born, like physical standards were a
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  real thing. You had PE tests where you would
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  have to run like an 8 minute mile.
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  There was actually standards in our military.
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  You had to be physically fit and meet certain requirements and
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  also in law enforcement as well. And so we got away with that
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  for, you know, four years under Biden and Kamala where we were
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  just completely abandoning standards.
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  And now people I think are waking up to being more common
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  sense centered and coming to the realization like these are not
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  healthy habits that I should adopt and nor should they be
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  normalized in society. It is an embracing of mediocrity
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  and like losing weight is not rocket science.
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  I'm not saying it's easy. It is hard to lose weight as
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  someone who had a baby and you guys, like we've talked about
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  this before. I gained like 60 lbs when I was
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  pregnant and then after I had Vivian, like I had a lot of
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  weight to lose. So I've been there, you guys.
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  I'm not coming like from, I am not naturally like someone who
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  is like super skinny. There are people who naturally
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  can eat whatever and stay really thin.
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  That actually is not me. I, I have to work on my body in
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  order to be like thin, thin and fit.
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  But I will say it, it does not come easy, but the it's a very
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  simple solution. You eat less and you work out
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  more, but it's specifically the diet.
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  And so anyone can achieve like I'm not saying to you're going
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  to be a Victoria's Secret model, but if you eat a proper amount
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  of calories everyday in America, I feel like people eat way too
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  much. There's a huge overeating
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  culture. It's a very, it's gluttonous,
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  it's gluttonous. And that's like a carnal sin in
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  the Bible, gluttony. And so we need to start talking
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  about that more in society that you shouldn't be sitting and
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  just filling your face with food all day instead of making
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  healthier choices and not eating as much and then getting out and
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  working your body and you will not be obese.
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  So I kind of hated this body positivity movement that it was
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  like settling for this lifestyle that no, you that that's not a
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  healthy lifestyle. And it's also you don't.
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  You're not Born This Way. I also really saw this peak
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  during COVID when people really just didn't have any
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  self-discipline anymore because nothing was expected of them
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  because, you know, everything was shut down.
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  They weren't having to go to work.
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  They could easily go on, you know, work calls on their zoom
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  and, and turn the camera off. They weren't getting outside.
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  So they use that as an excuse not to be active.
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  And so we really saw this decline, I feel like in 2020.
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  And then obviously, you know, during that presidential admin,
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  like we just saw it across the board in Hollywood, they were
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  propping up obesity and these horrific lifestyle trends.
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  We saw this obviously, not only film, but with Elle, with Vogue,
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  with all of these magazines. And so young ladies, this is not
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  something to look up to at all. It actually takes a lot of
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  self-discipline in order to make sure that you're in the best
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  physical shape you can possibly be in and and feel your best in
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  that regard too. And so that's actually like
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  something that you should aspire to have is like more
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  self-discipline in your daily routines, just being obedient in
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  that regard, setting more standards for yourself.
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  Wake up, you know, make your bed, set a morning routine, you
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  know, Bible journal, make time to like go on a walk, like
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  prioritize yourself more and prioritize yourself in the way
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  that's healthy. This is another controversial
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  thing to say about Ozempic. I feel like it's a really
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  telling thing in society where we are at that people are now
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  relying on a drug in order to not be obese.
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  Like there's a big portion of society doing that.
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  And it's like, these are lifestyle decisions you can make
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  without a drug. And I'm not necessarily saying
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  ban Ozempic or whatever. I'm not like coming out against
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  Ozempic. But I do think it's a sad state
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  of society that now people take a drug just to be, you know,
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  trimmer. And you look throughout all of
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  human history and we didn't deal with these obesity, the obesity
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  epidemic that we're dealing with today.
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  So I think it's a sad state of society.
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  But you know, I'm not necessarily against Ozempic, you
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  guys. Well, and I also think it's just
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  the culture of like what bodies are aspirational, like you call
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  it the kardashification of society where like there are
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  these really unnatural body standards where you have to have
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  the curves in the right areas and you have to almost have like
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  the hourglass figure where you're thicker and, and like
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  your bottom part of your body. And it really doesn't make any
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  sense. So it probably puts a lot of
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  pressure on like postpartum women.
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  I also know a lot a lot of people on Ozempic who use it to
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  curb cravings if they're like addicts too.
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  Speaking about sad states of society, we got a lot of
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  intrigue around our last episode with the Vogue article.
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  Is it embarrassing to have a boyfriend and I was scrolling on
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  TikTok and one of our favorite creators?
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  We love him. Shout out to Jack Mack from
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  Barstool. We just like we.
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  Love you, Jack. Mack, he's the cutest.
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  We just love him. But he put out this TikTok that
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  I thought was really interesting where he was kind of going off
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  of this. New IT thing is to not have a
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  boyfriend. More and more posts have gone
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  viral. British Vogue even wrote Is
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  having a boyfriend embarrassing now?
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  It was all really kicked off by a New York City podcast, The
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  Delusional Diaries podcast with Holly and Jazz.
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  I saw this. Girl make a video and she was
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  like, isn't it kind of funny? Like I feel like having a
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  boyfriend now is like lame and like shameful and she.
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  Clip 1 mega viral and a lot of people are in the comments
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  agreeing with them. Julia Fox said it like is lol.
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  Mommy milker said dating is a humiliation ritual for a lot of
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  women. Maybe I'm too woke, but wifey
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  material sounds like an insult. Being able to live alone and
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  unpartnered is unquestionably a flex today.
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  Well the stats kind of back this up.
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  According to the US General Social Survey, less and less
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  people are in steady relationships.
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  Not in a steady relationship. Under 40% for 18 to 34 year olds
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  in 2000 and now it is getting close to 60%.
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  Eighteen to 34 year olds are not living with a partner.
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  More and more and more there's also a political aspect to this
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  as we saw the top comment on this post was it's very
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  Republican to have a boyfriend. Just been on a date with a man
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  for the first time in ages and I fear I've become too woke to
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  date men anymore. Across the world, women and men
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  are getting further and further apart in terms of politics.
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  This isn't just in the United States, it's in German, the
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  United Kingdom, South Korea. Now we're having the discussion.
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  Is having a boyfriend embarrassing?
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  Is it Republican? This feels not great.
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  That's my biggest take away here.
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  And it's not just woman saying stuff like this.
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  Obviously you've seen the billions of podcast clips of men
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  saying a woman are not datable anymore, they're not wifeable.
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  So they're saying this in a different way.
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  None of us end up together. Then what happens?
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  I guess both sides could do better, but it's not like
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  they're like people be like men got to do this, Women got to do
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  this. There's not like a meeting where
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  it's like we have like a coach that tells us what to do.
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  We got to hit these certain place like that does that
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  doesn't exist. If more and more people are
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  spending more and more time alone, as we're seeing who wins,
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  spending culture, massive corporations, and it seems like
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  when I see those stats, I see these things, we're inching
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  closer and closer and closer and closer to that.
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  Yeah, we're just seeing like a huge cultural dating gap with
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  with men and women. Obviously, we saw this in the
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  presidential election. Gen.
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  Z men overwhelmingly voted for for President Trump.
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  And also we're seeing them go back to church in droves as
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  well. And we've actually seen where
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  women, I mean, of course with the mom Donnie race, but also
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  for Kamala Harris, overwhelmingly support leftist
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  progressive ideology. And so I think that actually
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  obviously has a trickle down effect into dating.
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  I really blame feminism for the state of our dating culture
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  right now. And let me explain.
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  After second wave feminism, we saw a lot of these traditional
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  gender norms breakdown where women did not want to be treated
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  in that way and instead they wanted to be treated more like
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  men. Then you get into hookup culture
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  where it's like there's none of this courting thing instead and
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  men chasing after you and that you're a prize to win.
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  Instead. You're just like a man.
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  You behave like a man. You go out sleep with a man.
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  It's not transactional casual sex that we've talked about so
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  much in in this podcast already. And then you go about your ways.
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  And this has destroyed dating culture in every way because one
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  no one knows where they stand with each other.
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  There's no rules that you fall into because it's all up in the
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  air And chivalry is dead because of that apparently is, you know,
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  patriarchal to behave in chivalrous ways.
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  So I think men have kind of abandoned chivalry.
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  In turn, these women, I think, are just left so, so empty
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  because they're going around hooking up.
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  There's all these situation ships where who knows where you
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  stand? A lot of women, I think, feel
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  pressure to have sex now with men because of this feminist
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  movement that men now expect that.
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  And then they do. And it's like, you're damned if
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  you don't and you damned if you do because a lot of men like now
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  expect you to have sex with them on the first date.
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  And so a lot of women then will fall into that and then they're
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  no longer interested in you because biology says, oh, this
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  woman's, you know, easier to get.
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  And now I want someone that's that's not a wife that I want.
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  And so it's just thrown these dating standards, this dating
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  culture up into the air. And there's just, I feel really
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  like, thank God you and I are married because I feel a lot of
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  people make jokes about this, like getting married in in the
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  20 twenties is like getting on the last chopper and nom and
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  flying away because it's a disaster.
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  Everyone I talk to, it's like, I I just don't think there's I
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  really, it's, it's going to be a difficult thing to fix.
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  And I blame feminism and these men have abandoned all of the
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  chivalry and all the stuff because they just see a bunch of
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  these feminist woman and are like, well, why am I going to be
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  traditional if women are being traditional?
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  So it's just been a complete collapse and breakdown and
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  everyone's unhappy because of it.
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  I. Just think that we've seen the
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  other side really blur the gender lines a lot.
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  And so we're obviously we're seeing the effects of that.
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  Now I go online, I see photos of women on on their hands and
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  knees proposing to a man. Now they're they're embracing
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  paying 5050 and it's like you're not even incentivizing these men
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  to to treat you properly. And one of my favorite videos is
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  a Christian Walker video where he's like, men used to have to
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  show up to your dad's house with a bunch of goats, with lambs,
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  with horses, with land and, and properly ask her father to marry
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  them and to argue their case. And now we have men who aren't
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  even offering to provide. They're not even offering to
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  pursue you in the way that you deserve.
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  And so we're obviously seeing the breakdown of this where
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  people don't want to have boyfriends or girlfriends
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  because there's just such a divided culture in that regard.
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  But I mean, in the effects of this porn, we've seen porn
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  anxiety, depression rates at an all time high, men and women
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  butting heads, not even ideologically, but obviously
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  like with with dating and with intimacy.
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  And I do believe that feminism has a large part in this.
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  I think feminism is the complete collapse because I think men
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  reacted once feminists came out and we're like, well, we want to
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  be treated like men and, and, and men were like, okay, like I
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  think that that has been the backlash from that.
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  And I find it really funny when these feminists, I see sometimes
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  tick tocks like this where feminists are like angry that a
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  man's not is asking to pay 5050 on a date.
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  And like, I'm totally against that culture.
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  I think a man should pay for a date.
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  But if you are a feminist, then yeah, that that's the culture
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  you created that I guess then he should, he shouldn't be opening
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  up doors for you because you're nothing special, if that that's
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  what it used to be. Women were special.
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  We were different than men. And and now they're like, we
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  want just complete equality with everything.
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  And I believe in equality under the law, but I do believe men
• 17:46
  and women are so intrinsically different that there actually
• 17:49
  isn't an equality there. It's it's like comparing apples
• 17:51
  to oranges. It's not equal.
• 17:52
  It's just different than each other.
• 17:54
  And women have destroyed that with feminism.
• 17:57
  And so we've been left with this collateral damage of situation
• 18:00
  ship culture, a culture where I don't think men really respect
• 18:04
  women a lot that we're seeing now.
• 18:05
  And I think this has led to like a lot of bad traits in men as
• 18:09
  well, because women were supposed to guide the
• 18:10
  relationship in a positive direction.
• 18:12
  And, you know, a lot of people say it, why buy the cow if
• 18:15
  you're getting the milk for free?
• 18:16
  And that's the casual sex culture that we live in
• 18:19
  nowadays, that a lot of these women are just giving men
• 18:22
  exactly what they desire. I always joke.
• 18:24
  I'm like, feminists think they're beating the patriarchy
• 18:27
  by just giving men a bunch of casual sex with no commitment.
• 18:30
  And then they don't have to, to buy you dinner or buy you
• 18:32
  anything or, or commit to you in any way.
• 18:35
  Like I, I don't know how this defeats the patriarchy.
• 18:36
  This is probably exactly what like the average man wants.
• 18:39
  And because if women start embracing these traditional
• 18:42
  roles, then we can also expect men to embrace these traditional
• 18:45
  roles. It's so hypocritical because a
• 18:47
  lot of women want men to be traditionally masculine, provide
• 18:49
  for the family, you know, be that chivalrous.
• 18:52
  But if you're going to expect that from men, you need to also
• 18:54
  expect that from women as well. I almost wondered too, if a lot
• 18:57
  of this is due to not having strong father figures in the
• 19:00
  home, home. And this goes for both boys and
• 19:03
  girls, because you would want a strong father figure in the home
• 19:05
  to teach these boys how to become men and to not even
• 19:09
  falter from that. And regardless of the culture
• 19:12
  that's going on with women and to treat their daughters like
• 19:16
  the princesses they are and treat them with such kindness
• 19:18
  and and nurturing them, showing up for them when it matters
• 19:22
  most. And so I wonder if this is kind
• 19:25
  of the fallout from that as well.
• 19:26
  I mean, I obviously think women have a large part in this,
• 19:29
  obviously because of their wave feminism and how detrimental it
• 19:33
  is to our our mental health, physical health, reproductive
• 19:37
  systems, in the end, putting off children, putting off, you know,
• 19:41
  some of the most amazing parts of your life.
• 19:43
  And and then you're going to wake up, you're going to blink
• 19:45
  and it's too late. And so I almost wonder though, I
• 19:48
  mean, what would you say about the father aspect of that?
• 19:51
  I think that's so important that it's really the breakdown of the
• 19:54
  family and you're seeing this with higher divorce rates that a
• 19:56
  lot of our generation grew up in and you don't have maybe a
• 20:00
  parental. Figures that are in the
• 20:02
  household raising a traditional family.
• 20:04
  And it's generational that that when you break down the family,
• 20:07
  it it cascades through generations.
• 20:09
  And I agree with you. I think if you have a strong
• 20:11
  father in the household with both men and both women, it's
• 20:15
  really important when you're growing up as kids to see that
• 20:18
  strong male figure that's teaching, that's treating his
• 20:21
  daughter as a Princess that she deserves and then she's going to
• 20:24
  go out and find a man similar. And it's also teaching the boy
• 20:27
  in the household how to be a real man.
• 20:29
  And I think that's really important.
• 20:31
  Going off the topic of families, this is completely switching
• 20:36
  gears, but you'll see my Segway. I've been seeing this trend on
• 20:40
  TikTok where people are talking about staying versus leaving
• 20:43
  your hometown. And this talk, TikTok in
• 20:45
  particular, will put it up for a listening audience.
• 20:48
  It says in your 20s, there'll be a plane taking you away from
• 20:51
  your hometown. It is very important you get on
• 20:53
  that plane. What do you think about that?
• 20:55
  I think that this is subjective and it depends on the person
• 20:58
  because obviously if that person like grew up and they have
• 21:01
  family businesses there, they have obviously, you know, a
• 21:04
  couple generations of family and they want to raise kids one day
• 21:07
  around that family. I understand that completely.
• 21:09
  But for me, I was somebody who thrived outside of my hometown.
• 21:13
  I needed that life experience. I was somebody who was a go
• 21:17
  getter at a very young age and went to college at 16 years old
• 21:20
  and graduated at at 20, started my master's, graduated that by
• 21:24
  like 22. So I was somebody who was
• 21:27
  constantly like looking for that, that next thing and, and
• 21:31
  wanting to get that life experience under my belt.
• 21:34
  And it can make you wiser in the end.
• 21:36
  There are certain things that you do outside of your hometown.
• 21:38
  You're going to have to learn to live, you know, on your own and,
• 21:41
  and figure out adulthood and you're going to have to make
• 21:45
  friends and put yourself out there socially.
• 21:48
  And it teaches you a lot of valuable life skills.
• 21:51
  You know, it's funny. Obviously I don't want to speak
• 21:54
  like definitively for everyone. I never like there's not always
• 21:57
  A1 size fits all. But in general, I would say in
• 21:59
  your early the 20s, you should get out of your hometown.
• 22:01
  Like I think that's a we always talk about the seasons of life.
• 22:04
  And this is typically a season for most people where they are
• 22:06
  not married and they don't have kids.
• 22:08
  And this is the time to go out there and experience something
• 22:11
  new. Move to like a big city like New
• 22:14
  York, LA, Dallas, Miami, Washington, DC, like we did go
• 22:18
  pursue that crazy job because like that that's the time to do
• 22:21
  that in your life. And I think, you know, you have
• 22:24
  the rest of your life to like move back to your hometown.
• 22:26
  Live in the suburbs, which I love.
• 22:28
  I'm a suburbs girl at the end of the day and, and you know,
• 22:31
  create your family and stuff. But I do think in this moment of
• 22:34
  life, I think that differentiates a lot of people
• 22:37
  that are successful versus not successful are people who are go
• 22:40
  getters and willing to take risks and get out there and
• 22:43
  explore the world. And I know a lot of people are
• 22:45
  going to be like New York is so expensive to live in, you know,
• 22:49
  DC, San Francisco, LA, all these cities are so expensive.
• 22:53
  Yes, they are expensive. But I'm telling you guys like,
• 22:56
  find a roommate, make it work. Literally Cameron and I, when we
• 22:58
  were like first starting in the White House, you could get paid
• 23:00
  nothing in government. I think we were making like
• 23:02
  $35,000 at one point living in DC and you can make it work, cut
• 23:06
  back on the budget, do a side little thing to and hustle and
• 23:09
  get some money on the side. It is worth it.
• 23:11
  And so I would, I know this, like some people might get
• 23:14
  offended by this, but I think that that separates like
• 23:17
  ambitious go getters are willing to like go out there and achieve
• 23:20
  something new and try and meet new friends.
• 23:23
  Like I'm so thankful I did that. Like I grew up in a great area
• 23:25
  of California, obviously, but moving to the East Coast, I
• 23:28
  think was the best decision I made because it got me out of my
• 23:30
  box. And I met my husband, I met my
• 23:32
  best friends and like, I'm just thankful for that.
• 23:35
  So I would encourage anyone, if you are like about to graduate
• 23:37
  college, like get out, like go to your dream city.
• 23:40
  You only live life one time. Like there's people who look
• 23:44
  back and like when they're six years old and like, I wish I
• 23:46
  lived in Manhattan for a year. I'm not saying you have to to
• 23:49
  like live there forever, but you live one life.
• 23:51
  Like go get it you guys. I think a lot of people find
• 23:53
  comfortability in the stillness of where they grew up in their
• 23:56
  hometown. And they find comfortability
• 23:58
  around the same people that they grew up with.
• 24:01
  The family businesses that are already ran, you know, passed
• 24:04
  down generation to generation, whether it's mom and pop shops
• 24:07
  or, or like my dad, he's a small business owner and him and his
• 24:11
  father are in business together in Kentucky.
• 24:13
  So I think a lot of people find comfort in that.
• 24:17
  But I will say in your 20s, it's the time to branch out to do new
• 24:21
  things, to create new friends and to start the business, fall
• 24:24
  on your and learn from life mistakes and go off.
• 24:28
  This is the time where you're not going to have to base your
• 24:31
  decisions around a husband, around kids or if men you're
• 24:34
  watching a wife. And so right now would be the
• 24:37
  time to get that life experience under your belt in the way of go
• 24:41
  get the job, apply for the internship, live below your
• 24:45
  means and budget. Like Jamie and I noted when we
• 24:48
  moved to DC, we were making nothing.
• 24:50
  We would walk outside, we would breathe, we would breathe and it
• 24:54
  would be $300. We're like, how are we going to
• 24:56
  make ends meet? But somehow, some way, God
• 24:58
  always makes it happen. And I would also just say this
• 25:02
  to pray about it. See what you want your life to
• 25:05
  ultimately look like. And if that's in a suburb that's
• 25:07
  more quiet, we, we support you. If that's going off and going to
• 25:11
  a big city, we support you in that as well.
• 25:13
  You have to find what works best for you.
• 25:15
  And I think at the end of of the day, Jamie and I, we were just
• 25:18
  these go getters who wanted to go to a big city, experience all
• 25:21
  these different things. And it worked out very, very
• 25:24
  well for us. Not to say that we don't want
• 25:26
  like a farm with animals someday, but right now,
• 25:29
  obviously in our 20s, now would be the time to go do that.
• 25:32
  Yeah, you guys get out there and go do something new and
• 25:34
  exciting. Like I said, you only live life
• 25:36
  once. I might as well go out there.
• 25:38
  All right, OK, let's segue into our next segment.
• 25:42
  I have no Words where we're exposing some crazy lunacy that
• 25:46
  we always have a lot of words for.
• 25:51
  So today I wanted to address this because this is a topic I
• 25:55
  feel like I see constant talk about online.
• 25:58
  So it was bound that we had to like finally get this into our
• 26:01
  episode. So I saw this clip of this
• 26:03
  Disney adult go viral. We'll put the video up on the
• 26:07
  screen for those who are in our listening audience.
• 26:10
  You have a woman who's dressed as Winnie the Pooh.
• 26:14
  It's actually this is getting like really specific because
• 26:17
  I've seen just so much Disney adult content they have to
• 26:20
  Disney bound. If you are a grown adult, you're
• 26:23
  actually not allowed to dress up specifically as a costume
• 26:25
  because they don't want like children thinking that you're
• 26:29
  actually like one of their paid characters that they put in the
• 26:31
  theme parks, right? And so you they had like such an
• 26:34
  issue of Disney adults doing that.
• 26:35
  Now you have to do this thing called Disney bounding where you
• 26:38
  dress up like kind of to look like Winnie the Pooh, but you
• 26:41
  like you can't be in full costume.
• 26:42
  That's where we've gotten to as a society, you guys.
• 26:45
  And she he basically like breaks down into tears for our
• 26:48
  listening audience about meeting the Winnie the Pooh character.
• 26:52
  I don't ever like to be mean or bully people, but I do think
• 26:54
  it's weird how many Disney adults that we have.
• 26:56
  Like I think Disney is for kids at the end of the day, in my
• 26:59
  opinion. Like this is a theme park for
• 27:01
  children. The movies are geared.
• 27:03
  The whole franchise, the whole company is geared towards
• 27:05
  children. And you're seeing there's like
• 27:07
  some crazy statistics that came out recently that like Disney
• 27:11
  parks now, like over like 40% of the people going like don't even
• 27:14
  have kids. It's just adults going to and
• 27:16
  spending like $5000. Let me say this is not a cheap
• 27:20
  trip. Like for these prices, you can
• 27:21
  basically go to Europe or like you could go to Hawaii or stuff.
• 27:24
  And like adults are choosing to go to Disney, like with each
• 27:27
  other, with no kids. And, and just going into this
• 27:30
  false reality that just doesn't exist.
• 27:32
  Are you trying to escape like your reality at home?
• 27:35
  Why wouldn't you try to go off and experience the real world
• 27:37
  with real people and real culture instead of going to this
• 27:40
  like false alternative reality That's like kind of dark.
• 27:44
  If you actually like know the message behind Disney and you've
• 27:47
  seen some of the older stuff that they produce, it's like,
• 27:49
  why would you go there, especially without children?
• 27:51
  I don't understand that. I I understand like wanting to
• 27:54
  ride roller coasters. I think that's fun.
• 27:56
  I would want to go ride some roller coasters or or go like to
• 27:59
  some theme parks to like ride the Ferris wheel.
• 28:01
  But this like romanticizing these characters and and just
• 28:06
  being overly involved in in this kid like behavior.
• 28:09
  It's kind of bizarre to me. I like what you said because I
• 28:12
  do find this like obviously we are a capitalist here.
• 28:15
  We love the free market, that we love freedom in America, but
• 28:17
  this is kind of like this dystopian version of capitalism.
• 28:21
  And I like that you touched on that because like this is a fake
• 28:23
  place. You guys like Disney is not
• 28:25
  real. And instead, like you're a grown
• 28:27
  adult. Like I want to spend money going
• 28:29
  to real places. Like there's so much like
• 28:30
  beautiful history in America around the world, going to
• 28:33
  Europe for these prices that you can go and see where like
• 28:35
  actually like places throughout our civilization and history
• 28:39
  that have like real prominence in humanity or going to like a
• 28:42
  National Park. Like there's just so many more
• 28:44
  places I'd rather go for me, like I almost view Disney, like
• 28:48
  I know I'll like have to probably take my daughter at
• 28:50
  some point, but like that is just not a place like as an
• 28:52
  adult I'm looking to seek out. And I think you know, what
• 28:55
  you're talking about with this romanticizing thing is very
• 28:57
  true, because I think that there is this nostalgia culture that
• 29:00
  exists a lot for millennials. And it does kind of go with and
• 29:04
  I know I we always get in trouble when we talk about this.
• 29:06
  But it does go with a lot of these childless millennials
• 29:08
  where they have like a lot of nostalgia for their experiences
• 29:11
  growing up and like the movies that they used to watch, like
• 29:14
  Lion King, Winnie the Pooh, all of these movies that are
• 29:16
  obviously at Disney World and Disneyland and they have this
• 29:19
  nostalgia. But I, I would say that's the
• 29:21
  amazing thing about having kids, you guys, is that like even
• 29:25
  today, like I used to watch this show called Sagwa the cat.
• 29:27
  And I put that on for Vivian because like that was a show I
• 29:29
  grew up. And that's like the most part of
• 29:31
  the most amazing things about having children is that you get
• 29:33
  to share memories and the nostalgia that you had with your
• 29:37
  daughter through a healthy way. And even if you don't have kids,
• 29:39
  like I'm not looking to come after people who don't have kids
• 29:42
  bring like your nephew or niece to Disneyland and or Disney
• 29:45
  World and experience with that, that that should be an
• 29:47
  experience for the most part that you're bringing kids that
• 29:50
  you can lift your, Oh, I went on that ride.
• 29:52
  I went on to watch that movie growing up.
• 29:55
  And that's an exciting experience.
• 29:56
  I think this is showing that like society is really unhealthy
• 29:59
  with this. And I think it does show that
• 30:01
  there is a lot of holes with people in that their persona
• 30:03
  that maybe don't have kids and they're trying to fill it
• 30:06
  through that. And I just don't think that's a
• 30:07
  healthy Ave. like, for whatever reason, if you can't have kids
• 30:10
  and that hasn't worked out for you, I think there's a lot more
• 30:12
  healthier avenues to go through. Like get involved in education
• 30:15
  and be around kids and, you know, go into childcare, bring
• 30:18
  your nephews and nieces. Like I said, I just, I think
• 30:20
  that this is kind of a sad moment.
• 30:23
  Why spend your time like romanticizing A gimmick?
• 30:26
  Why don't you go out into the real world and meet real people
• 30:28
  again that I just go back to? Like, why would you want to
• 30:31
  spend time if you're not like showing a kid?
• 30:33
  It's kind of like when you're because I'm not a mom, but Jamie
• 30:36
  is. It's like doing Santa and like
• 30:38
  putting out the milk and cookies and like taking part in like
• 30:41
  loving that experience of magic for your child, but like for you
• 30:45
  yourself when you're an adult. I cannot wrap my head around
• 30:49
  that. Like wanting that magic can be
• 30:50
  pursued in like real conversations with, with others
• 30:53
  and like real human connection that way, not not with fictional
• 30:57
  characters. So I, I really don't understand
• 30:59
  that. If you have kids, obviously it's
• 31:01
  completely different. Like I used to go to Disney
• 31:03
  basically every single year for cheer competitions.
• 31:06
  If you know, you know, if you're an All Star cheerleader.
• 31:08
  But and then my sister started going to Disney World because we
• 31:12
  have a huge age gap. And by the time I was over it
• 31:15
  and out of cheer in college, she was just beginning at that age
• 31:18
  to to want to go to Disney World.
• 31:20
  So it's completely different if you have children.
• 31:22
  You bare getting Disney tattoos too which is really weird.
• 31:25
  That's like the same as those bumper stickers, like the Disney
• 31:27
  bumper stickers. Yeah, I mean, they want to say
• 31:30
  that Trump supporters are a cult.
• 31:32
  No, we've got like Disney adults that are like in a cult.
• 31:35
  This is like some weird thing that I can't wrap my head.
• 31:38
  Around and I already know the comments let them live their
• 31:40
  lives OK I'm not no one's like saying Disney adults are
• 31:44
  illegal. We're just commenting on, but I
• 31:46
  will say you guys, this park is for kids and a lot of parents
• 31:48
  are getting irritated. They're bringing their kids and
• 31:50
  the lines are all now a bunch of adults.
• 31:53
  And like now these kids have to stand in love.
• 31:54
  And there's so much like PDA. Have you noticed like, okay, so
• 31:57
  I've been to Disney World with my sister.
• 31:59
  There is like so much PDA with these Disney adults.
• 32:02
  They'll be standing in line like.
• 32:04
  Yeah, I know. What catering.
• 32:06
  Odd. They're catered now to like
• 32:08
  millennials. Like now there's like, bars
• 32:10
  opening up at Disney. Yeah.
• 32:11
  By the way, I'll say, hey, like I love Epcot, but that's not
• 32:14
  really like a part of Disney. If you're, if you're going to
• 32:16
  the Florida 1, I don't know what they have in California, but
• 32:19
  they have Epcot where you can drink around the water.
• 32:21
  That's more of like an adult theme park.
• 32:23
  Like that's fun. Vines for kids like why do we
• 32:26
  have to stand in long lines because you're.
• 32:27
  Why are you getting a photo with many?
• 32:29
  Yeah, let that be for kids. There are things for kids.
• 32:32
  I I just get annoyed by that. Like I'm like, I'm sick of like
• 32:35
  the society now being catered towards like adults more than
• 32:38
  kids. Like I think especially Disney
• 32:40
  World should be catered towards children.
• 32:42
  So that's my thoughts about that.
• 32:44
  But. Not trying to be mean though,
• 32:46
  like you do you at the end of the day, but we obviously have
• 32:48
  opinions about it. We're going to share.
• 32:50
  That's the whole point of like the Internet and podcast.
• 32:52
  You give their opinion. OK, so going into our next
• 32:56
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• 33:19
  Fun question for you guys, what was your favorite thing about
• 33:22
  your wedding day and what would you change now looking back?
• 33:28
  I didn't have a wedding. I literally just ran off to a
• 33:32
  place and got married to my husband.
• 33:34
  It was the best decision. I would honestly just say skip
• 33:36
  all that. Don't spend the money and run
• 33:39
  off and get married. There's like no point in people
• 33:41
  pleasing with the caterers and the venue and, you know,
• 33:45
  worrying about what people are going to say about your dress.
• 33:47
  Just let it be about you 2. I feel like wedding culture has
• 33:50
  gotten so out of hand recently. And I mean, if you are having a
• 33:53
  wedding, we obviously know that's the more traditional
• 33:56
  route. So we're going to embrace that
• 33:57
  and we wish you the best day ever, but make sure that you're
• 34:00
  getting those intimate moments with your husband that day.
• 34:03
  Don't let you know the crowd size and the venue, the music,
• 34:07
  everything else, you know, take away from that day with your
• 34:09
  spouse. You don't want to look back and
• 34:12
  think, oh, wow, like I let all of this overpower, you know, the
• 34:15
  connection that I wish I had with him that day.
• 34:17
  And so soak in that moment. But for me, I mean, I'm just not
• 34:21
  really. I could have never pictured
• 34:23
  myself a bride. I know that's really weird to
• 34:25
  say, but I'm so tight. I'm type A in a lot of areas.
• 34:29
  Don't get me wrong. I'm type B in the way where I
• 34:31
  would have been drunk on a golf cart with Jamie somewhere and I
• 34:33
  would not have been found. They would have had to wait for
• 34:36
  me to walk down the like. I just would not have wanted to
• 34:39
  do that in any regard. And so, yeah, it worked for me
• 34:42
  to just run off with my husband and get married.
• 34:45
  And I would not have traded that for the world because it took
• 34:47
  the pressure off of everything. I didn't have to worry about any
• 34:50
  outside factors. It was just about us and and
• 34:54
  yeah. Well, I'm sure a lot of people
• 34:55
  know this too, but Kevin and I are the same in this way.
• 34:57
  We both eloped. Drake and I look back in 2021,
• 35:01
  it was obviously during COVID and we were just in love with
• 35:03
  each other and we went to a courthouse and got married.
• 35:06
  And like, that sounds crazy for a lot of people, but.
• 35:08
  If people are watching this now, they're going to find it insane
• 35:11
  that we both did. Like literally insane, but like
• 35:15
  you're in love and that's what marriage is supposed to be
• 35:17
  about. To be honest.
• 35:18
  It's like you 2 are in love, you're tying the knot.
• 35:21
  I think a lot of wedding cold sure now has become like
• 35:23
  extremely performative. It's like the proposal is
• 35:26
  performative. It's all for the Instagram.
• 35:28
  The wedding becomes all about the photos and all for the
• 35:30
  Instagram. So I don't know, I I was similar
• 35:33
  to you like I I wasn't one of those girls that like dreamed of
• 35:36
  my wedding day my whole life. Like, I have a lot of other
• 35:38
  things I dream about all the time that I'm doing in my life,
• 35:41
  but that wasn't something I think also the amount of money
• 35:44
  people spend on weddings is absolutely insanely.
• 35:48
  Absurd. We're living in a culture right
• 35:49
  now where the average first time homebuyer in the US is over 40
• 35:54
  years old, but yet you have people like spending sometimes
• 35:58
  like hundreds of thousands of dollars on their wedding it.
• 36:00
  Shows the lack of priorities to like you could have spent that
• 36:03
  on like premarital counseling because divorce rates are like
• 36:06
  all times a down payment on a house.
• 36:09
  There's so much, there are so many other things you could have
• 36:12
  said, you could have saved, you could have created educational
• 36:15
  funds for your future children. Like it's just crazy.
• 36:18
  There's something like, I mean, people might disagree because
• 36:20
  like I totally get like why people want to do a wedding day.
• 36:23
  Like wedding days are obviously very beautiful, but there is
• 36:25
  something like magical and I don't know, romantic about just
• 36:29
  like being in love and like running off and and eloping.
• 36:33
  Like I just think that there is something to be said about that,
• 36:36
  but. I'll never forget when I texted
• 36:38
  you, I was like, I'm getting married.
• 36:40
  And she was like, why, why, why, why?
• 36:42
  But like we both had this. She was like, I don't judge you.
• 36:44
  Like I did it this the same exact way.
• 36:47
  And yeah, I mean, I think I was just sitting there and he was
• 36:50
  like, I want to marry you. I'm serious about you.
• 36:52
  And if you're at the point in your life where you're wanting
• 36:54
  to settle down, you want to start a family, and you could
• 36:56
  really see yourself doing that with that person.
• 36:59
  Take the leap. Also, I feel like everyone like,
• 37:02
  especially in today's culture, they overemphasize, and I'm not
• 37:06
  saying this is the most important decision of your life,
• 37:08
  you guys. And so you want to make sure
• 37:10
  that you are very particular about who you're marrying
• 37:12
  because it's not just who you marry, but who's also going to
• 37:14
  be the father or mother of your children.
• 37:16
  And so you're not just thinking about yourself and that in that
• 37:20
  decision making, but also like take the leap of faith.
• 37:23
  If you're overcomplicating things and overthinking it, like
• 37:26
  a lot of these women are missing the boat because they're like
• 37:29
  trying to see if the grass is greener on the other side.
• 37:31
  No, the grass is going to be greener where you water it.
• 37:33
  Everybody's going to be imperfect.
• 37:35
  And so just taking that leap of faith and trust in God that it's
• 37:38
  going to workout. You guys are going to have
• 37:40
  issues. There's going to be a lot of ups
• 37:41
  and downs. And that's what's so beautiful
• 37:43
  about life is that you get to see your partner in every single
• 37:45
  season, your husband or your wife in every season of life.
• 37:49
  And so that's kind of the beauty of marriage.
• 37:50
  Yeah, I think, you know, obviously, like most people do
• 37:54
  have like weddings and stuff. And if you're having a wedding,
• 37:56
  just don't take yourself too seriously.
• 37:58
  Like honestly, like a bridezilla is when people take themselves
• 38:02
  overly seriously. That's not a fun wedding.
• 38:03
  Like just have fun with your family and friends, like, and
• 38:06
  have fun with your future husband.
• 38:08
  Like that's the whole point of the wedding.
• 38:10
  Like I don't know why people take things so seriously.
• 38:12
  Well, I would rather take the rest of my life seriously rather
• 38:15
  than one day. Yeah, it's like.
• 38:17
  Why don't you take your relationship as seriously as the
• 38:19
  wedding? That's some people.
• 38:20
  Some people care more about the wedding than they do actually
• 38:23
  the marriage. Like I swear there there are
• 38:25
  some circumstances with that nowadays.
• 38:26
  So care about the marriage one that's the most important and
• 38:29
  just have fun and don't like don't.
• 38:32
  I don't get when people are even like my wedding is a stressful
• 38:35
  day like it should be like fun put that much.
• 38:37
  Thought and effort into your spouse and who you're picking to
• 38:40
  marry and and the right thing so later down the line you're not
• 38:44
  going to look back thinking that you made the wrong decision.
• 38:46
  OK. Next question, Amanda, who's
• 38:48
  also from Wisconsin, we love our Wisconsinites.
• 38:51
  I wonder if that's going to help them.
• 38:53
  We love people from Wisconsin. We love cheese.
• 38:55
  Yeah, I know they have good cheese there.
• 38:56
  It's like one of the few places I actually haven't been, but I
• 38:58
  hear it's amazing. There's beautiful parts of
• 39:00
  Wisconsin. The Republican Party was founded
• 39:02
  in Ripon, WI I. Think oh, yeah, that's very
• 39:05
  true. Yeah.
• 39:05
  And we won Wisconsin back in 2024.
• 39:08
  So we love Wisconsin. OK.
• 39:10
  This is a good one. Very different than what we've
• 39:12
  like talked about. Do you consider yourselves
• 39:15
  girls? Girls, Do you think that mindset
• 39:18
  is helpful or harmful? I personally don't like the
• 39:20
  pressure to always support women no matter what, especially when
• 39:23
  it comes to US versus men, and I can't stand behind the decisions
• 39:28
  many modern women are making. I'm curious what you if you
• 39:31
  think that this should be a thing.
• 39:33
  Jamie asked me today like what is a girl's girl and why there's
• 39:36
  just such like a divide between women on this topic.
• 39:40
  It's basically like a yes man, like somebody who's going to
• 39:44
  support you no matter what. That yes queen mentality.
• 39:47
  I posted this video and I was like, everybody's a girls girl
• 39:50
  until it comes to a girl who's pro Jesus, pro-life and pro
• 39:53
  Second Amendment. Whatever.
• 39:54
  I forget what I said, but it's true.
• 39:57
  And then you had 10s of thousands of liberal women in
• 39:59
  the comments being like, it's because you're not a girl's girl
• 40:02
  when it comes to reproductive rights.
• 40:04
  Basically, they want somebody to Co sign on their poor behavior
• 40:07
  to be a yes queen. If you get multiple abortions,
• 40:10
  I'm just supposed to hug you and take care of you in the end.
• 40:13
  And it's just not, I'm not for it either.
• 40:16
  I wouldn't say that I'm I'm very supportive of my friends.
• 40:20
  I'm going to be the shoulder to lean on and and to cry on.
• 40:23
  And I will be there in the end to pick you back up.
• 40:26
  But I'm also not the friend to Co.
• 40:28
  Sign on poor behavior or just not share my thoughts if I think
• 40:31
  something's really harming your life And and something that I
• 40:34
  really value about our friendship, Jamie is that we
• 40:37
  always are very transparent with one another.
• 40:39
  If we're, you know, see the other side or if there's
• 40:42
  something different that we would have done in a
• 40:44
  circumstance to really try to make one another better.
• 40:47
  And I think it just goes back to this culture where these women
• 40:50
  just want this, yes person in their life who's going to just
• 40:55
  let them do whatever they want, just sit there and there's no
• 40:59
  consequences for their actions at the end of the day.
• 41:01
  Yeah, I'm not like saying I'm like not a girls where I'm like
• 41:05
  just loyal to my friends, which might be woman.
• 41:08
  And then like obviously like I like a lot of my husband's like
• 41:11
  guy friends and stuff like that. I'm just like loyal to the
• 41:13
  people in my life that I love. Like it.
• 41:16
  It doesn't matter if you're a girl or a guy.
• 41:17
  I I think that's really weird. I I agree with like the question
• 41:20
  saying it's like kind of pitting men and women against each
• 41:22
  other. I hate that as well.
• 41:23
  Like I'm just loyal, like I said, to good people in my life
• 41:26
  and. All hitting women against one
• 41:28
  another though, too, because you're seeing where a lot of
• 41:31
  these liberal women are, like saying that they're girls girls,
• 41:35
  but they hate like a conservative.
• 41:38
  The woman who voted differently than them, who, you know, thinks
• 41:41
  differently than them, has a different value set.
• 41:44
  And it's like, oh, wait, I thought you were a girls girl.
• 41:46
  But only until it's about, you know, pro Jesus, pro-life, what
• 41:51
  not. And then you're not going to be
• 41:52
  a girls girl. You're not going to support her
• 41:54
  decision. So it's like, why are you?
• 41:57
  Yeah. So why are you calling yourself
• 41:58
  a girls girl? That's the whole divide with
• 42:00
  this. It's like, no, I don't really
• 42:02
  believe in this whole girls girl culture.
• 42:05
  If I'm being honest. I never really adopted that
• 42:07
  mentality. Like I wouldn't support Jamie in
• 42:09
  every single endeavor if it was detrimental to herself, her
• 42:13
  marriage and her life. Like that makes no sense.
• 42:15
  Why would you do that? You would want the best for your
• 42:17
  friends and for other women that you're surrounding yourself
• 42:20
  with. So why be a yes friend if you if
• 42:22
  you see somebody doing something that's that's not serving them?
• 42:26
  I agree and I will never forget when I was in college when that
• 42:29
  the Brett Kavanaugh trial was on and they were like believe all
• 42:33
  woman. I'm like have you met woman?
• 42:34
  I am not believing all woman. Like I'm just being honest.
• 42:37
  Just like I'm not believing all men.
• 42:38
  Like I, I don't believe you. Like I don't know you.
• 42:40
  I'm not just like automatically believing you.
• 42:42
  Like there is this culture of like feminists and this girls
• 42:45
  world culture where like girls are right no matter what.
• 42:47
  And that is just not the case. You guys like I I, I, I think
• 42:51
  that's ridiculous. I'm not Co signing on people's
• 42:53
  bad behavior. And you know, I when we came out
• 42:55
  saying that feminists were hypocritical for not supporting
• 42:58
  conservative women, people are like, well, here you are, you
• 43:00
  know, talking badly about feminists and liberals or
• 43:03
  whatever. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm not
• 43:05
  a hypocrite because I don't claim to just support women no
• 43:07
  matter what. Like in general, I want women to
• 43:09
  do well. I want men to do well.
• 43:11
  I'm the same. I don't look at people through
• 43:13
  their identities, like whether it be like race, gender, sexual
• 43:16
  orientation. I just, and hope, I hope people
• 43:18
  can be empowered to do their best as long as that they're
• 43:21
  good people. But I don't like this like
• 43:24
  pitting people against each other.
• 43:25
  And no, I, I won't just automatically agree with you
• 43:28
  because you're the same gender as me.
• 43:29
  Just like I'm not automatically going to vote for a woman
• 43:31
  candidate if she doesn't align with like where I believe in.
• 43:33
  So I just take people at face value for who you are.
• 43:36
  And if you're a good person, I support you.
• 43:38
  Otherwise I'm not just supporting you because of some
• 43:41
  random identity. Okay, so Lauren from Tennessee
• 43:44
  for our last question said, in today's politically charged
• 43:47
  world, how are we expected to stand bold and face truth while
• 43:50
  also being peacemakers? Since Charlie Kirks
• 43:53
  assassination it's become clear you cannot coexist with people
• 43:56
  that hate us. God, this is a deep question.
• 44:00
  You know, one of the things that I loved about my master's course
• 44:03
  at Liberty University was actually like the first
• 44:06
  educational endeavor that I had where I actually got my money's
• 44:09
  worth. Like I didn't want to spend
• 44:11
  money on a leftist campus. And one thing that they had us
• 44:14
  do, and basically every assignment is embed biblical
• 44:18
  references and values in justifying your answer to like
• 44:22
  real world events. And so I got my master's in
• 44:24
  national security and I'll never forget I did a quote this one
• 44:28
  Bible verse in this hypothetical situation that I had to do for
• 44:31
  like a dissertation or something or a thesis or something.
• 44:34
  And it was like, there's a time for love, there's a time for
• 44:36
  hate, there's a time for peace, there's a time for war and goes
• 44:41
  something like that. I don't know the exact reference
• 44:43
  or anything, but God doesn't really call us to coexist and
• 44:48
  just basically be passive when it comes to combating evil and
• 44:51
  injustices. He calls us to stand firm in our
• 44:54
  beliefs and to be outspoken in that way, triumphing for truth.
• 44:58
  And so I think in today's culture, obviously it's, it's
• 45:02
  very, very hard to coexist with people who hate you, who want to
• 45:05
  see you killed. And that just goes to show that
• 45:08
  you have to stand firm and be true to yourself even more, now
• 45:12
  more than ever, and and really be bold in those beliefs as
• 45:15
  well. What I've seen a lot from the is
• 45:17
  that they try to censor you. On college campuses in
• 45:20
  particular. They've used violence in many
• 45:23
  occasions that we've seen over the last few years.
• 45:25
  That's been really scary. But as conservatives, we need to
• 45:28
  strive to be better. We need to stand for free
• 45:30
  speech. We need to stand for debate.
• 45:32
  That's exactly what Charlie would have wanted us to do.
• 45:34
  He'd want us to continue to have these conversations and go out
• 45:38
  and make a change and hopefully change some hearts and minds.
• 45:40
  And so I don't think you should always lower yourself to the
• 45:42
  lowest common denominator like they have.
• 45:45
  Like we should not lower ourselves to the left.
• 45:47
  In no way should we be doing violence and suppressing people
• 45:49
  for their thoughts or beliefs. Instead, we should continue to
• 45:52
  have those dialogues and conversation.
• 45:54
  And you're not going to change every heart and mind.
• 45:56
  I understand that. But get out there and stand in
• 45:59
  your truth, but obviously protect your safety as well.
• 46:01
  You guys, it's a really scary world that we live in.
• 46:04
  There's people who obviously, as we saw with Charlie, have taken
• 46:07
  violent acts against people they disagree with, which is such a
• 46:09
  sad state of our country that we live in.
• 46:11
  And so I think as conservatives, we should not be contributing to
• 46:14
  that type of society. Instead, like I said, we
• 46:17
  continue to hold debates with each other.
• 46:18
  We continue to stand firm in our beliefs, but also listen to the
• 46:21
  other side of the builders, not wreckers.
• 46:23
  And, you know, build bridges and bring people over as much as you
• 46:26
  can, but also by making sure that you're safe.
• 46:29
  Like if you are speaking at events or you are at events,
• 46:31
  like please take a lot of safety protocols and stuff.
• 46:35
  It's, it's a very nervous time. I, I think to be a conservative
• 46:38
  right now, but I, I don't think you should back down.
• 46:40
  I think you should just, we should always be better than the
• 46:42
  left. That's what I think, because I
• 46:43
  think a lot of people who might be confused in this politically
• 46:47
  insane time will see you behaving with decorum and
• 46:51
  behaving in mature and sophisticated manner and holding
• 46:56
  your own. And I think that that person
• 46:58
  just wins the debate. The person that's not going
• 47:00
  crazy, to be honest, the person that's not using violence, not
• 47:02
  trying to shut you down, not screaming at you, not being a
• 47:05
  lunatic, the person that's, you know, steady, calm and confident
• 47:09
  in what they believe in is always going to win the debate.
• 47:11
  So I think that's what you should strive to do.
• 47:17
  OK, so for hot or not men posting thirst traps, and I
• 47:20
  don't mean to be mean to this guy.
• 47:21
  I've just seen him pop up on my stuff here and there because
• 47:24
  he's like dating this like very popular influencer.
• 47:26
  Yeah, I mean, I'm all for the the fan edits of people like
• 47:30
  look, Nicholas Chavez T like I love those those edits, but I
• 47:35
  don't think that men should personally be propping up their
• 47:38
  phone and and recording it like what?
• 47:40
  What's the point of? That I like a man who's like,
• 47:42
  not over the top on Instagram either.
• 47:44
  It reminds me of the videos that they'll pull up of like like
• 47:47
  Josh from What is it? The What's the Podcast with Dave
• 47:50
  Portnoy and Josh Richard. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:53
  Well. They'll make fun of him when he
• 47:54
  was like in the hype house or. Whatever it was.
• 47:56
  With this old dancing videos like the the digital footprint
• 48:00
  is real you guys like make sure before you post like maybe think
• 48:03
  it through a little bit more. Yeah, I just, I think like a guy
• 48:06
  doing like outfit like things, it just feels a little feminine
• 48:09
  like that's for the girls. That's that's what I'll say.
• 48:12
  So I'm going to go if not OK blocking an ex-boyfriend or an
• 48:16
  ex friend on social social media.
• 48:17
  I'm going to go not. I think that your silence
• 48:20
  without blocking and taking extraordinary measures speaks
• 48:24
  louder than words. But yeah, I don't really block
• 48:29
  people ever. So I'm going to go not.
• 48:30
  I mean, unless that person is seriously mentally deranged and
• 48:33
  needs help. Like I'll block them but.
• 48:36
  Yeah, the only person I've ever blocked, I guess.
• 48:39
  I've blocked a few people and it's like people who are like
• 48:41
  literally like saying threats against me.
• 48:44
  Otherwise, I think it's immature to block.
• 48:46
  Like I know a lot of people like block this, block a friend,
• 48:48
  block all of these type of stuff.
• 48:49
  I don't know. I think I would.
• 48:50
  Say not. I would say not.
• 48:52
  Yeah, I would say not as well. I think if you like break up,
• 48:55
  maybe like an unfollow because like, I don't know, I think it's
• 48:58
  good to like go separate. Or maybe in those beginning
• 49:00
  months, if it was like super tumultuous and like you guys
• 49:03
  have like a big falling out, maybe block them to like let the
• 49:06
  waves like subside a bit if they were crashing in.
• 49:08
  But yeah, All in all, I I don't think that you should block
• 49:12
  people a ton. OK, tights.
• 49:14
  I think for me this speaks already.
• 49:16
  I'm going to say hot. Yeah, hot.
• 49:18
  We we love tights. There was an era where we were
• 49:21
  absolutely unhinged in the White House wearing these polka dotted
• 49:24
  tights to work like the amount of the fashion trends that we
• 49:27
  used to follow you guys. It was actually insane.
• 49:30
  I want to throw pictures up of us thinking that we were so hot.
• 49:33
  We were so tea like walking around the White House.
• 49:36
  Yeah. But honestly, like, a good pair
• 49:38
  of brown tights, black tights. I love it.
• 49:40
  It actually, like, accentuates my legs, makes them look a
• 49:43
  little bit more skinny. And I know it just makes an
• 49:45
  outfit look cuter in the winter in my opinion.
• 49:47
  I love the minute hits October because I'm like, oh, I get to
• 49:49
  wear my tights again. I'm like a big tights fan.
• 49:52
  OK, Wednesday, Adam's core. Such a cute show and especially
• 49:56
  since, you know, we just had Halloween, Christmas coming up
• 49:59
  and every thing, so I'm going to go hot.
• 50:00
  I don't know, I think it's different.
• 50:02
  I was wearing, I actually wore it on one of the episodes and I
• 50:04
  wore, I did like a Fox hit right after the episode.
• 50:06
  So I wore the same thing. I was wearing like this black,
• 50:08
  sort of a little white collar on top and people were like
• 50:10
  Wednesday Adams. That's where I actually got it
• 50:12
  from. And I was like, I like that.
• 50:13
  I like a little gothic type look.
• 50:15
  I think that's cool. Like a little punk rock.
• 50:17
  Yeah, I agree. You guys, you probably see me in
• 50:20
  any other color besides black on this podcast.
• 50:22
  I wore black in the last episode, but in real life I only
• 50:26
  wear black. Like normally I'm, I'm wearing
• 50:28
  white right now, but normally it's an all black outfit,
• 50:31
  whether it's a dress, whether it's a blazer and pants.
• 50:33
  And so I I love that. OK, last one, contouring.
• 50:38
  I'm going to go not just because I have such harsh facial
• 50:41
  features to begin with. If I contour, it's really over
• 50:44
  the top. And that's where like the
• 50:45
  Eastern European like like really comes out.
• 50:48
  I will never forget. You saw me that one time where
• 50:51
  the makeup artist like put a lot of contour on my face and it
• 50:54
  just gives me, you know, harsher look in general.
• 50:56
  I can't do the eyelashes, I can't do the contour.
• 50:58
  So I'm going to go not. I'm definitely going to go not I
• 51:01
  agree with you. I think it's like too harsh.
• 51:03
  I think I'm whenever I get my makeup done, I'm like one of the
• 51:05
  only people that I'm like do not do contour.
• 51:07
  I'd rather my face look like youthful and a little more full
• 51:09
  because a lot of people do it to have like more of a chiseled
• 51:11
  face and and like look, you know, a little more like that.
• 51:14
  But I, I'm always like, no, I like a softer look.
• 51:17
  I I'm like no contour ever. I do not like it.
• 51:19
  All right, you guys going into our last segment of the day,
• 51:22
  propaganda we're not falling for.
• 51:27
  Propagate I'm not falling for is telling blondes to go back to
• 51:30
  their natural color. I see so many videos where I'll
• 51:34
  see the comments and they're like you would look so good
• 51:36
  brunette and then the girl dyes her hair brunette and I'm like
• 51:38
  she looked really, really beautiful blonde.
• 51:40
  I'm not saying that you can't embrace your natural beauty.
• 51:43
  That's what we're about here, obviously, but I do more often
• 51:46
  than not. Like I think Haley Bieber is
• 51:49
  such a great example. Now, mind you, she is like the
• 51:51
  most gorgeous woman in my opinion.
• 51:53
  So she looks so beautiful brunette, but the era of her
• 51:56
  where she had that really blonde hair, like 2017 was such a vibe
• 52:00
  in my opinion. It was just so fun.
• 52:02
  And I just, I think that honestly like the trend of
• 52:06
  telling blondes to go brunette, it's often, more often than not,
• 52:11
  you probably look better blonde in my opinion.
• 52:12
  I did it for somebody who's done it Now I've gone back blonde
• 52:16
  because I realized I'm not. It just really didn't compliment
• 52:19
  me as well. I see comments where it's like
• 52:20
  if you're telling me to go brunette, you're being went off.
• 52:23
  You're sabotaging me like whoever was telling me to go
• 52:25
  brunette at the time was sabotaging.
• 52:27
  That being said, I thought you looked amazing brunette.
• 52:29
  I don't know. I mean, I love obviously I'm
• 52:31
  brunette, so I like brunettes. But I do think actually like
• 52:33
  your hair color. I don't think there's like like
• 52:36
  I think like some redheads are beautiful, some blondes are
• 52:38
  beautiful, some brunettes are beautiful.
• 52:39
  I think it's all about like what complements your face the best
• 52:42
  and that's what the hair color you should go with.
• 52:43
  And if you have softer features like you're going to look better
• 52:45
  blonde in my opinion. Yeah, and I was blonde as a kid.
• 52:47
  Like I obviously like became more brunette as I got older,
• 52:51
  hence the roots. But as a kid I was strawberry
• 52:53
  blonde and so I just wanted to upkeep that.
• 52:55
  And so whatever like you were born with that you were as a
• 52:58
  kid. I think that's obviously like
• 53:00
  the prettiest color. But a lot of people, I mean, if
• 53:03
  they have lighter features like I do like I see a lot of girls
• 53:05
  with blue eyes and like pretty fair skin tones.
• 53:08
  That was spray tan right now, but they look good blonde.
• 53:10
  I think they should embrace. That OK propaganda that I'm not
• 53:13
  falling for is this rat race. And I especially see this like
• 53:17
  on the East Coast. It's funny.
• 53:18
  Like people are much more like competitive with each other.
• 53:21
  Like, oh, you know, what school did you go to?
• 53:23
  What Country Club do you belong to?
• 53:25
  I'm just like, not about it. I've never been like that.
• 53:27
  I don't like comparing myself to other people.
• 53:29
  I think that's like comparison. Is it the thief of joy?
• 53:32
  And so in my opinion, just compare yourself to yourself and
• 53:35
  be the best version of yourself. And I don't think like you
• 53:38
  should ever do things to just impress people.
• 53:39
  Like you should be doing stuff to impress yourself and the, and
• 53:43
  the people that like are close in your family and love you and
• 53:46
  support you. I've just never been someone
• 53:48
  that's in the rat race trying to be something that I'm not.
• 53:50
  Like I'm just always going to be me.
• 53:52
  And, you know, obviously there's going to be someone who's is
• 53:55
  more successful, wealthier, prettier, smarter than me.
• 53:59
  That's part of life. Like that's the minute you just
• 54:02
  like accept that you're good and just hold yourself to your
• 54:05
  highest standard. Like I always compare myself to
• 54:07
  like what I can do and I want to be the best version of myself.
• 54:09
  I think that's a healthy way to go about it.
• 54:11
  Just like not a rat racer. I just noticed that a lot on the
• 54:13
  East Coast. Like everyone's like, what job
• 54:15
  do you have? Like all this stuff and.
• 54:17
  Well, and we're in DC right now and everybody, the first
• 54:20
  question they ask you is like, what do you do?
• 54:23
  And it's like, OK, but how is that indicative of who I am?
• 54:25
  Like, why don't we actually talk about more substantive things
• 54:28
  rather than like, who you're working for on the Hill?
• 54:30
  It just feels exhausting to like always be in that rat race.
• 54:33
  And I like just I've always been like, and you're the same way as
• 54:36
  me, Cameron. Like we just are like on our own
• 54:38
  paths. We swim in our own direction.
• 54:40
  Like I just, I just, I don't like conforming to like, you
• 54:44
  know? Yeah, I would never take advice
• 54:46
  from somebody who I don't want to end up like.
• 54:48
  And I feel like a lot of these people, they constantly play
• 54:50
  this comparison game that is like less than and negative and
• 54:54
  social climbers who have like no substantive relationships in
• 54:57
  their life. And I'm like, I would never want
• 54:58
  to end up like you anyways. So I don't even play that game
• 55:01
  with them. Also, one of my favorite songs
• 55:04
  in relation to this is Vienna by Billy Joel, and it's slowed
• 55:08
  down. You're doing fine.
• 55:09
  Like take your time basically is like the start of the song.
• 55:12
  And I love that. I think that you honestly should
• 55:13
  just self assess and see like where to go from there rather
• 55:16
  than looking at somebody else and be like, yeah, this, this,
• 55:18
  this, this and this. I need to go back to my Google
• 55:21
  Doc, Google Sheet and make sure that I'm doing XY and Z in order
• 55:25
  to propel. It's like, no, like Jamie said,
• 55:27
  look inward, see where you could, you know better your
• 55:30
  strengths and pursue those. Don't look at what somebody else
• 55:33
  is doing because you're going to get stuck.
• 55:35
  You're going to get stuck in like this constant cycle of
• 55:37
  negativity rather than if you're looking at your past
• 55:40
  performances and then scaling them to to be better, I think
• 55:43
  you're going to be happier that way.
• 55:44
  I totally agree. What propaganda are you falling
• 55:47
  for? Propaganda that I am falling for
• 55:49
  is doing it for the plot. Like I love doing things for the
• 55:52
  plot. Now I know this doesn't sound
• 55:54
  very Cam coded because I am like more of a logical thinker and
• 55:57
  think things through and like very situationally aware and
• 56:00
  stuff but sometimes it's just good to have fun and do things
• 56:03
  for the plot. The things that Jamie and I have
• 56:05
  done for the plot. The stories have stood the test
• 56:07
  of time when we've done things for the plot.
• 56:09
  And I think just honestly, even doing this podcast, I, I feel
• 56:12
  like it was for the plot for me mostly.
• 56:14
  Like, of course, I want to go into business with my best
• 56:17
  friend and everything, but I like I had an incredible life
• 56:20
  and I was, you know, like I wanted to do it for the plot.
• 56:24
  I don't know how else to describe it.
• 56:25
  And it just makes for better memories.
• 56:27
  There's there's so many ways that your life could go, but
• 56:29
  you're not going to be able to like do it for the plot forever.
• 56:32
  Like, are you going to do it for the plot in like a nursing home
• 56:34
  like? I agree, you know what I mean.
• 56:36
  It goes back to you doing this on life.
• 56:38
  You'll have one life might as well like go and do fun things
• 56:41
  and be risky and put yourself out.
• 56:43
  There I remember during COVID, I was so sad.
• 56:46
  My internship had just gotten cancelled because of COVID.
• 56:50
  They actually, because I was, I was interning in the state
• 56:52
  capitol in Kentucky. And so obviously like they went
• 56:54
  out of session and I was out of a job.
• 56:57
  And I'll never forget going through my spam folder.
• 56:59
  I got emailed by the White House and they're like, can you be
• 57:01
  here next week for an interview? Like we're filling this
• 57:04
  position. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I
• 57:06
  thought it was spam. I literally thought that
• 57:08
  somebody was like trying to scam me.
• 57:10
  I didn't think it was real and I remember going there like 3 days
• 57:14
  later to do an interview that was for the plot.
• 57:16
  Like just do it for the plot. Put yourself out there.
• 57:18
  My mom was like giving me a pep talk.
• 57:20
  She used to do this while I was in pageants too.
• 57:22
  She's like don't expect to win. She was like don't expect to get
• 57:24
  this job. This is just an incredible
• 57:26
  opportunity just to go there, show your face, they'll know
• 57:28
  your name and just do the best that you possibly can and show
• 57:32
  them who you are inside and out in this interview.
• 57:35
  And I just took that advice and I had 0 expectations, did it for
• 57:38
  the plot, got on the flight, met up with a couple friends.
• 57:41
  I knew that we're living in DC at the time and ultimately, like
• 57:45
  it was God's plan that I got that job.
• 57:47
  But I think that you only live one life.
• 57:48
  You have to capitalize on the opportunities that are given to
• 57:51
  you. Like us doing all of our Fox
• 57:53
  hits, they'll just be like, can you come to New York tomorrow?
• 57:55
  We're like, yes, we'll be there. OK.
• 57:57
  The propaganda that I am falling for is self deprecating humor.
• 58:00
  That is something about me. Like I, I just don't take myself
• 58:03
  too seriously. Like honestly, I always make fun
• 58:06
  of myself. I feel like confident people can
• 58:08
  like make fun of themselves, acknowledge their flaws and make
• 58:10
  a joke about it. And so I've always just gone by
• 58:13
  that. I like like honestly, I make fun
• 58:15
  of myself 24/7. I think that also comes from
• 58:17
  growing up with brothers. Like I love my brothers so much.
• 58:19
  For those of you guys that don't know, I have two younger
• 58:22
  brothers, Walker and Smith. They're I just love them like
• 58:25
  honestly, but they keep anyone who has brothers knows this.
• 58:28
  They keep you humble, especially younger brothers.
• 58:31
  They will humble you when you need it.
• 58:33
  And so, and my family's like that too, like we all make fun
• 58:36
  of each other. And so, I don't know, I like
• 58:38
  people that can like acknowledge their flaws and like make a
• 58:40
  joke, so. Well, and more like on a more
• 58:43
  serious note, like from an emotional intelligence
• 58:46
  perspective, it actually like makes you come across more
• 58:48
  relatable. Like if you're on your high
• 58:50
  horse and you, you think that you're better than people and
• 58:52
  you're kind of grandstanding or like performing in that type of
• 58:55
  way, then it's hard for people to relate to you.
• 58:58
  You're not going to have that relatability factor where people
• 59:00
  are going to like ultimately really like you and want to
• 59:04
  spend more time with you because they're going to feel like they
• 59:06
  can't even like be on the same page.
• 59:08
  So that's actually good that you do that.
• 59:10
  And we do this all the time. You guys like, we are not
• 59:12
  serious people whatsoever. Like when we first started this
• 59:15
  podcast, we were like, we are not podcasters.
• 59:17
  Anyway, you guys, thank you for tuning in today.
• 59:20
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• 59:28
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• 59:30
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• 59:34
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