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#2043 Please Don't Say "Moist" - Bobby Cappuccio · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team. It's a you project. It's Bobby
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  Speaker 1: and Tiff, It's Craig, it's a it's a third Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a Thursday. It's twelve thirty four in Melbourne. It
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  Speaker 1: is I believe it's five thirty four on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the world in California? Am I correct? Bobby
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  Speaker 1: in the PM? Yes, so Wednesday night, five thirty four
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  Speaker 1: pm and Tiff in Elwood it's nineteen eighty nine. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how's how is Elwood? Speaking of the past? How is it?
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  Speaker 2: It's Elwood's so great? I mean, what else do you need?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What do you love about? What do you love about Elwood?
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  Speaker 1: Give a quick kind of sales pitch. You're on the stage.
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  Speaker 1: People are thinking about moving to Victoria. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: where to go. You've got twenty seconds to sell them on.
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  Speaker 1: Money's no object, clearly because they're moving to Elwood. Sell
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  Speaker 1: Elwood for us. What's the what's the sales pitch?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just this little village vibe right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on the cusp of the city, right next to the beach.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit cut off from too much public transport,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't get too many yahoos. And it's there's
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  Speaker 2: plane trees everywhere and it's beautiful. It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a bit bohemian or not really bohemian or
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  Speaker 1: is it a bit laid back? I know they do
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  Speaker 1: have a good cookie shop that you've been giving the
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  Speaker 1: most mileage.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just had someone message to say
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  Speaker 2: they just landed back into Melbourne from the airport. They're
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  Speaker 2: heading straight to the cookie shop. They're there right now.
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  Speaker 1: That was that cookie shop. By the way, we are
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  Speaker 1: not sponsored by them. I'm not sponsored by them. I've
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  Speaker 1: you know whatever. I'm yet to get a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: But they are, apparently, tiff says, life changing.
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  Speaker 2: They are so life changing. And I'm happy to throw
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  Speaker 2: business their way as long as that keeps them in
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  Speaker 2: business right up the road from me. I'm happy to
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  Speaker 2: do it. I don't need any kickbacks. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: need free cookies, you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't need a discount. You're just happy to support local
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  Speaker 1: business as long as they keep making that. What's your favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Cookie, pistachio crunch.
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  Speaker 1: That got chocolate or white chocolate or anything in it.
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  Speaker 2: It's got chocolate chips in it, It's got pisachio cream,
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  Speaker 2: It's got this crispy stuff in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what kind of chocolate though, Bro? Is
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  Speaker 1: it dark milk or white? Because white chocolate's not really chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: it's just shit.
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  Speaker 2: Is milk chocolate?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it breaks all the rules.
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  Speaker 1: So Bobby's shake Bobby's shaking his head. What's your go to?
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't eat junk food because you're a weapon,
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  Speaker 1: you're a machine, you're an elite athlete. You fucking year
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  Speaker 1: the one percent of the one percent, Bobby, But on
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  Speaker 1: your off days, what's your go to junk food or
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  Speaker 1: sweet food?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if I'm the one percent of the one percent,
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  Speaker 3: I would hate to see what the other ninety nine
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  Speaker 3: percent looks like. So for me, it would be a
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  Speaker 3: really crunchy chocolate chip cookie. I was just thinking that
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  Speaker 3: you are probably, no disrespect the worst person to ever
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  Speaker 3: be a spokesperson for any cookie company at all, Like, no,
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  Speaker 3: no cookie company would ever like sponsor you because you
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  Speaker 3: don't even eat cookies, Like that whole comment about why,
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  Speaker 3: Like when Tiff describes a cookie, I believe her, Like
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  Speaker 3: I want to go eat, Like I want to rock
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  Speaker 3: up to Ellwood right now and eat those cookies. You
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  Speaker 3: not so much. You're not selling me on these cookies. Well,
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  Speaker 3: it hasn't had a cookie in thirty years at least.
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  Speaker 1: I fucking opened the cookie door on my own show,
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  Speaker 1: and we're giving them. We haven't even said their name,
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  Speaker 1: say their name, Tiff, Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Hey there, cookie, Hey there, cookie, shout out hey there, cookie.
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  Speaker 1: Danny l from Ossion, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's because
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  Speaker 1: she's she's got an angle. You know, she's got an angle.
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  Speaker 1: She says, I don't want free cookies and then winks
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  Speaker 1: at both of us while she's saying it.
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  Speaker 3: But that's why she's the best spokesperson. She legitimately loves
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  Speaker 3: the cookies. It's her ulterior mode is how do I
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  Speaker 3: get my hands on more cookies more of the time.
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  Speaker 3: Who's not going to listen to a spokesperson like that
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  Speaker 3: talking about their favorite cookie.
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  Speaker 1: She would be a good brand ambassador for pretty much
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  Speaker 1: anything she believed in, I think. But having said just
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  Speaker 1: we'll get off cookies in a moment, because all of
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  Speaker 1: our listeners are, like I thought you guys were in
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  Speaker 1: the health space.
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  Speaker 3: This is fucking so unhealthy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've all got food issues. All of us
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  Speaker 1: have got food issues, So keep that in mind. I've
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  Speaker 1: got fucking body dysmorphia and massive food issues and I
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  Speaker 1: still hate myself. So keep all of that in mind
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  Speaker 1: as you listen to this conversation. Judgie fucks, I love you, though,
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  Speaker 1: prolease love me? What was I going to say? If
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  Speaker 1: I am going to have a cookie, though, it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be a big, fat, kind of moist cookie, not
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  Speaker 1: a hard cookie like you were talking about, like a
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  Speaker 1: crunch fuck crunchy cookies. It's got to be big and
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  Speaker 1: a bit moist. And I know nobody likes the word moist.
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  Speaker 2: I've ruined it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a disgusting word.
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  Speaker 1: It's just what is what is people's lost.
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  Speaker 3: Temptations for cookies?
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  Speaker 1: What is people's version? Why? What springs to mind when
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  Speaker 1: you hear moist? All right?
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  Speaker 2: Where stop it? Everyone's tuning out?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what kind of what do you? How do you
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  Speaker 1: ascribe that? Describe that state? Then that like, that's not
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  Speaker 1: what's not crunchy? What do we call it?
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  Speaker 2: Just a soft, dewy cookie? Dewy cookie?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I can taste the cookie. Now she's talking about
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  Speaker 3: Dobe like you are this this place needs to like
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  Speaker 3: hire you. It's a very bad business decision not to
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  Speaker 3: If I had a cook sharp, you'd behaved already, you know.
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  Speaker 1: This conversation reminds me of a conversation I had with
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  Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about things that are in your head that
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  Speaker 1: should stay in your head and knock it outside of
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  Speaker 1: your head, you know, thoughts. So I've been working on
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  Speaker 1: this thing. I haven't finished it yet, but maybe you
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  Speaker 1: guys can unpack it with me. Right, So, the idea
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  Speaker 1: that there are so inside thoughts and outside thoughts. The
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  Speaker 1: inside thoughts are the ones that should stay there in
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  Speaker 1: your head. You think them, but you probably don't need
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  Speaker 1: to open the door and then push them out. So
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  Speaker 1: they go from being a thought in your head to
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  Speaker 1: an experience for somebody else. Right, So it goes from
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  Speaker 1: a thing in your head to something for somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people don't know when
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  Speaker 1: to keep those inside thoughts in and they just you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like, what's the what's the
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  Speaker 1: rule around that? How do I know when it's even
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  Speaker 1: if it's something that I think is true or valid?
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  Speaker 1: Either of you can answer this. What are the signs
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  Speaker 1: that I should perhaps keep it in my head for
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  Speaker 1: now or maybe never let it out?
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  Speaker 3: Well, my parents when I was younger, tried very high
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  Speaker 3: dosages of medication like Haldol and anything that I didn't
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  Speaker 3: say when I was on the how doll, it's probably
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  Speaker 3: things that I shouldn't have been saying anyway, So what
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  Speaker 3: is he?
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  Speaker 1: What is heldal?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Hal doll is that this is from my non
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  Speaker 3: medical perspective, just you know someone who used it quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit as a kid. It's an antisarchotic drug. So
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  Speaker 3: if you are going to know your right arm off
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  Speaker 3: or take hal doal, you're probably better off taking Haldal
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  Speaker 3: Like Haldo's. It's a really severe drug. But when I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid and I first got diagnosed with tourettes,
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  Speaker 3: they were like, we've got this new medication and you
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  Speaker 3: know we reckon. If it doesn't kill you, it might
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  Speaker 3: actually help a bit. So my stuff father was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like put them on that. So I was on Haldol
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  Speaker 3: for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how that answers my question, but it's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting conversational path to go down anyway.
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  Speaker 3: What so how I was just a kid that were medicating.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about inside and outside questions and
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  Speaker 1: now you're talking about chewing off your arm, taking a medication, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how does your fucking mind work? You need to get
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  Speaker 1: back on hell doll straight away?
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  Speaker 3: That work. That's why I was on the house doll
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  Speaker 3: because all that outside voice that I shouldn't be using
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  Speaker 3: it was for tourettes, so it subdued me. So rather
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  Speaker 3: than blurting things out, I just you know what.
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  Speaker 1: Slapped in all seriousness? How old were you when you
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  Speaker 1: went on that and how old were you when you
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  Speaker 1: went off that?
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  Speaker 3: I had to have gone on it around maybe nine
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  Speaker 3: or ten ten years old, and I was on that
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  Speaker 3: for like a few years, so maybe likewe thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: How did you How did you feel? Did you feel numb?
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel like? What did it do to you?
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  Speaker 1: Other than maybe diminish some of your turet symptoms?
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  Speaker 3: I felt like it diminished me, Like it suppressed every drive,
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  Speaker 3: every aspect of my personality. I remember hating being on Haldal.
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  Speaker 3: I would completely fuck about with my parents because they
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  Speaker 3: were so animate about it. So I would stop taking
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  Speaker 3: my medication for a few days, and when they would
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  Speaker 3: ask me, because they would ask me, did you take
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  Speaker 3: your medication? I would risk it. I would lie. The
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  Speaker 3: penalty for getting caught and that was severe but I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking my medication and like, good, good, that's why
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  Speaker 3: you're a little bit more controllable now. And then I
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  Speaker 3: would go back on my medication and when they would
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  Speaker 3: ask me are you taking meds? Like oh, I forgot
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  Speaker 3: the past few days, they'd flip out, you're so out
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  Speaker 3: of control. I can't deal with you, and I would
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  Speaker 3: get punished. But I just wanted to see, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: do they just want me on the meds or do
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  Speaker 3: they really feel that's helping me? So yeah, they just
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  Speaker 3: wanted me on the.
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  Speaker 1: Meds, And so how and why did you come off?
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  Speaker 1: Like what happened that you went off?
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  Speaker 3: That I don't quite remember. I think it was something
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  Speaker 3: where my doctor said that when I get home from school,
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  Speaker 3: I really needed to lay down, like sleep for a
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  Speaker 3: good hour because the medication was going to drain me.
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  Speaker 3: I think at some point they were just like no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: nobody sleeps an hour in the afternoon in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the day. So I think they there was something
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  Speaker 3: some argument. They were always fighting with my doctors. I
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  Speaker 3: think that had something to do with it, although I
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  Speaker 3: don't really remember.
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  Speaker 1: But I went when were some other drugs as well,
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  Speaker 1: I know that you kind of pushed back a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and that you ended up finding your way through
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  Speaker 1: various kind of paths, one of them being the gym
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  Speaker 1: and training and David Barton and all these great people
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  Speaker 1: you've told us about. When did you start to get hope?
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like in the middle of that there
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  Speaker 1: would have been very little hope. There would have been
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  Speaker 1: maybe correct me if I'm wrong, like an experience of helplessness.
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  Speaker 1: When did you start to see a glimmer of light
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  Speaker 1: in the darkness and feel like, oh fuck, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: I could be more than this, or maybe this is
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  Speaker 1: not my destiny.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I define hope very specifically, Like for me, it's
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  Speaker 3: not like, oh wow, I'm gonna make it out of it.
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  Speaker 3: I define hope. Or actually it was it was C. R.
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  Speaker 3: Snyder the psychologist as a meeting point between agency and
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  Speaker 3: strategy and that or the way he said it will
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  Speaker 3: power and wig power where working out. I felt, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: I'm capable. I'm capable of learning stuff and executing it.
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  Speaker 3: And I was able to make for a fifteen sixteen
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  Speaker 3: year old kid, phenomenal changes in my body like everybody noticed.
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  Speaker 3: So it didn't necessarily give me hope, like, Wow, in
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  Speaker 3: the future, this is going to be better. I still
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  Speaker 3: had tourettes. I didn't know that I was going to
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  Speaker 3: have any reconstructive surgeries for my face. You know. I
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  Speaker 3: know at some point i'd leave home, but I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know when that was going to be. And that's the
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  Speaker 3: same maternity. But what really helped me is like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm good at something, so I could focus on this thing,
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  Speaker 3: and through you know, exercising my volition as well as
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  Speaker 3: my body, I can make positive experience like physical changes
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  Speaker 3: that I could feel other people can see, and it's undeniable.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, I think I'm getting better at something.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, this is irrefutable. And that completely turned my
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  Speaker 3: whole world around because it gave me a platform and
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  Speaker 3: a foundation to deal with all the other stuff that
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't know how to deal with otherwise. So
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  Speaker 3: working out was one of the best things that had
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  Speaker 3: ever happened to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think about, like, there's all the good
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  Speaker 1: stuff that's happening to you, body building, strength and body awareness,
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  Speaker 1: and you're creating new habits and behaviors, but you're also
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  Speaker 1: around other people who are supporting and encouraging and recognize,
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  Speaker 1: and you're building trust and connection and friendship, and you're
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  Speaker 1: learning about your mind and your body and your potential
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  Speaker 1: and your capacity, and you're improving self awareness and you're
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  Speaker 1: developing interpersonal skills and like it's a multitude of it
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  Speaker 1: just happened to take place in a gym, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like it was very similar for me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being the morbidly obese kid and getting in shape.
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  Speaker 1: Getting in shape was great, but that was about twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of what made it actually great. The actual physical
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  Speaker 1: change was really good, and I enjoyed not being the
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  Speaker 1: fat kid anymore. I enjoyed being fit and strong and healthy,
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  Speaker 1: But it was probably seventy or eighty percent about all
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  Speaker 1: of the other stuff that came with that, the confidence
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  Speaker 1: and the positivity and the connection and the attention and
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  Speaker 1: the validation and the approval and all of the shit
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have and all the shit I wanted. And
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of me starting to understand my own potential,
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  Speaker 1: that my potential was vast, but going, oh, well, if
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  Speaker 1: I can do this, what else can I do? Was there?
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  Speaker 1: Did you? Was that for you? Similar? Like you started
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  Speaker 1: to understand your own capacity to do stuff and to
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  Speaker 1: you know, open your doors and create outcomes that nobody
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  Speaker 1: encouraged you to do.
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  Speaker 3: It was the beginning of it, because what started to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I began to get noticed and talk about seeking validation.
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  Speaker 3: I would walk around just like, wearing as little clothing
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  Speaker 3: as I could possibly get away with. Once I started,
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  Speaker 3: once my body started transforming, So I'm like, people were
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  Speaker 3: starting to notice me. And it wasn't oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: what happened to your face? Were you in an accident?
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  Speaker 3: Like how did you get like that? Or it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like why do you do that with your face? Why
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  Speaker 3: do you blink your eyes so much? Why do you
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  Speaker 3: do that with your head? Why do you make those sounds?
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't that, it was like wow, like how often
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  Speaker 3: do you work out? What do you do? And I
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  Speaker 3: was just like reading publications like muscle and fiction and
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  Speaker 3: not really getting any valid science. But I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: any better, so I would just share whatever I was learning,
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  Speaker 3: and people wanted to talk to me because there was value.
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  Speaker 3: I had something to offer, and I thought that was
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  Speaker 3: really cool. And then my looks they weren't an advantage,
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  Speaker 3: but they weren't a liability with certain people that were
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  Speaker 3: part of the gym community because we were all a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of mavericks. We were all highly dysfunctional. So the
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  Speaker 3: fact that I was this very young kid working out
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  Speaker 3: really hard getting good results, kind of weird deformed face,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I would twitch and yell and bark
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  Speaker 3: spontaneously like I was kind of like this odd looking mascot.
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  Speaker 3: So I started to build like genuine community and not
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  Speaker 3: receive as much judgment.
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  Speaker 1: I've never asked you this question, but like I've only
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  Speaker 1: known you since obviously after that after you had your
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  Speaker 1: facial surgeries, and so I've heard about it. Could you
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  Speaker 1: I always try to picture what that what you looked like,
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  Speaker 1: not just more from a to try to get a
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  Speaker 1: sense of what you dealt with. Can you explain, like
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  Speaker 1: how many how many facial surgeries did you have? And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is an inappropriate question, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just genuinely curious and want to kind of understand what
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  Speaker 1: that was like for you.
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  Speaker 3: I had three major facial crane or reconstructive surgeries and
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  Speaker 3: a touch up and a touch up kind of just
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  Speaker 3: you know, just just just buffed out tea, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And what was the other part of the question. I
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  Speaker 3: got lost with the facial surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other part of the question was, can you
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  Speaker 1: give us an insight into like if we had have
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  Speaker 1: met you when when you were fifteen sixteen pre operations,
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  Speaker 1: what would we have seen, Like, Okay, that was I
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  Speaker 1: don't I mean, I don't know if that's I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if I'm just curious, like I want to
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  Speaker 1: know what fifteen sixteen year old because I've been like
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  Speaker 1: to me, and I'm not pissing in your pocket, you're
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  Speaker 1: a normal looking, relatively good looking, fifty ish year old dude.
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  Speaker 1: Like to me, I've only ever known you as the
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  Speaker 1: good looking American dude who's in good shape. Like since
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  Speaker 1: since we've been friends, you've always been, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: better looking than me and probably better built than me.
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  Speaker 1: For me to get my head around what you looked like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: My nose was was a bit sideways, right, Like one
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: nostril was much lower than the other, so my nose
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: had a little bit of a vertical orientation to it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: One of my lips were pulled all the way up
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't a cleft
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: lip where the lip was actually separated. It was just
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: something else happened during pregnancy. Never got a really straight
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: answer as to what it was. But my lip was
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: kind of pulled up so it was so like I
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: would smile, it would expose a lot of my teeth,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: and my skeletal structure underneath the skin was quite different
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: around the palette as well, So because of that bone structure,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: my teeth were kind of terrifying. So you had like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: you know, you had teeth going every which direction. I
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: had extra teeth growing out on the left side of
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: my mouth. Most of the deformities were concentrated on the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: left side, so yeah, you would see extra teeth in
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: my mouth. My teeth were extremely crooked, kind of looked
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: like a shark that got into a few too many fights,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: have not an even lip. One end of my lip
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: was pulled up higher than the other and the left
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: side of my nose was down. And you know, it
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: wasn't like my nostrils were snacked stacked, but kind of
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: had a little bit of an oblo orientation to him.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had severe cross eights, so if I
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: didn't have glasses on and I actually think I corrected
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: my cross eyed in this by not wearing my glasses
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: weirdly enough, Again, just like the howld all, that's not
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: my medical opinion, that's just what happened with me. It
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: corrected itself. But when I didn't have my glasses, my
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: eyes would just meet right in the middle. So, yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I was an interesting looking kid, not the most attractive
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: in my school.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the club. Do you ever feel like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you were looking through or do you ever feel now
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like you're looking at the world through the window of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that kid, like when you just have a Obviously, you
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: know you're not that kid anymore. You know that you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: or you know you're thirty years down the track things
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: are different. But do you ever feel like that kid anymore?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Do you ever have that kid's got to be there? Yeah?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how familiar you are with integrated
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: family Systems and the work of Dick Schwartz, but you
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: know you have these interjects, these personalities, you know, some
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: of them are managers, and they just try to keep you,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you know, safe, yeah, and protect you, and then you
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: have your firefighters when something goes wrong and the managers
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: are unsuccessful, like, and that is the reactive aspects of
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: your personality. So you've got a lot of different personalities
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: that make up what you consider the you yourself. And
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I know that kid is in there somewhere. He comes
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: out quite a bit.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: When did you realize that you were I mean, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: don't know if you have an identic memory, but you
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: definitely have a ridiculous memory like you have of older
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: people on now. I know a lot of really intelligent people.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I know lots of smart, successful, brilliant people. I would
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: say in terms of just recall of data and quotes
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and books and research, you're at the top of that list.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: When did you figure that out? When did you figure out?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And I know you're self deprecating, but when did you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: figure out that you could read something and remember it
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and basically it's just there for you to just pull
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: off a mental shelf whenever you want. When did you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: discover that?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think I discovered it, and you know I don't.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think my memory is that good. I just
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: think here's what happened my boss, Mitchell, which I talk
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: about a lot. At Gold's gym. I had gotten in
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: trouble in the gym, not like a lot of trouble,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: just just a funny little thing where you know, when
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I first started working there, I thought that, God, I'm
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: never going to be like one of these bull trainers
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: because I didn't think I could learn about the body.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I said, but I've got my own personal experience. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: am certified, so I passed the exam, but I'm just
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: gonna work really, really hard. So we had cleaning assignments
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and I just doubled down on that. And one day
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I was I was spraying down a piece of equipment
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: with w D forty. And what I didn't realize is
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: rather than spraying it, you know, like traumatic brain injury,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: spraying it on the towel and wiping down the gud rods,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I was just spraying it directly on the guide rods. Well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the guy who was using a machine next to me,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I was posing him down in the face with WD forty.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: So he went upstairs. He did not have a sense
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of humor about any of this, by the way, and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: he told my boss, the guy who owned the gym,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: is like, Mitch, there's this crazy guy. And Mitch was like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: all right, let me see who this guy is. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: he came over. He looked over the railing. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: it's like old gyms that had the huge pit and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you can look at it from above. So that was
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: kind of like gold. Jim Brooklyn and he watch gyms.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: The gym was amazing. I remember I first walked in there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, look at this place. I couldn't
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: believe it. And I was running around, like literally running
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: full speed from machine to machine, just cleaning it. It's
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: just like, God, this guy he's like working. Really get
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: him up in my office. I want to talk to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: this guy. And we were talking and we laughed about
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: the whole you know, w D forty thing, and then.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: We're toisoning the poisoning the members the members.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just you know, please do try not to spray
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: down members with w D forty, you know, whether they
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: look like they're in desperate need of lubrication or not.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: But you know, here's the boss.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: So yeah, after a couple of maybe that needed to
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: be moist. So it's a good thing you were there.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: You're welcome, TIV carry on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So he had said to me, Wow, you know you
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: have a you have a grasp of X size and
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: training and really passionate and He's like, you know, you
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: can help a lot of people, Like I think you
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: really know your stuff, And at that point, nobody had
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: ever said that to me. And what that did for
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: me is like, Okay, even if I can learn a
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: little bit, it gave me enough confidence to just follow
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: what I was passionate about and just dive into books
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and videos and anything I could get a hand a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: hold of. All he had to do is point me
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: in the right direction. It wasn't just biomechanics and anatomy,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: books and physiology. It was it was self help. This
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: was the guy that took me for a ride and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: put on doctor Dennis Whiteley's The Psychology of Winning Yes Yes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and it's like, if you learn these ideas, Bob, Bob,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: it'll change your life. And it really did. Was I
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: was obsessed with the fact that this guy, who I
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: never met at that point, could talk about all these
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: ideas so powerfully, which such rich visual imagery, and I'm
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: feeling what this guy is feeling and he's impacting me.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I don't even know him. I thought, I want to
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: do this. Wow, we can have this impact on people.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of where I realized that Okay, I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: not as stupid as I thought I was, and I
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: just need to learn how I how I learned, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't need to be that smart as long as
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I could be of value doing something I didn't care
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: what it was. Hmmm.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So interesting that that old school, like the eighties and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: nineties self help, you know, with you know, Dennis Whiteley
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and Tiny Robbins and Deepak who was more in the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: spiritual place. But a lot of those kind of old
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: school guru kind of guys who paved the way. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: some of it was crap, a lot it was good.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: None of it was probably new. I mean, the same
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: messages have been circulating since forever ago, but just the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: way that they would share those ideas. I remember going
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to being dragged along by a friend of mine to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Tony Robbins, reluctantly thinking Tony Robbins and people still think this,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he's a big dickheadies whatever they think, right, And I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: probably thought that I was quite opinionated about something I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: didn't really know. I didn't really know him. I just
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: something about my own insecurity that made him made me
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: not like him. And I went along and spent a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: whole day I think in Melbourne that maybe it was
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the convention center with my friend Tara, who paid for
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: me to go, and I just for the first three
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: hours I did not want to like him. I did
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: not want to be interested in what I did not
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: want it to be good. And it was so fucking
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: good and he was so good, and I'm like, oh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this guy is undeniable. And you know, it's like a combination.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You know, there was some legit psychology, a bit of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: pseudo science, a little bit of bullshit, but a lot
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of entertainment, a lot of energy and the totality of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what he brought to that room, you know. And he's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: talking about his four hundred square foot apartment in Santa Monica, California,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and where he you know, he didn't have any he
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: didn't have a toilet, and he didn't have a bathroom.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: He just had one room this and then what he
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: built and then da da da, And I'm thinking of toilet. No, No,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did. I think it was like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a room and it had maybe it did, but it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like literally just one room which had a sink in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it and his bed and it was tiny. But I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: remember listening to this dude for a day, and I thought,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and not only all the stuff that he shared, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: if you want to find fault in anybody, including me,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you can, of course. But when I got over my
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: own opinions which were based on nothing, and my own negativity,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: which was based on nothing, and I listened like it
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was actually really quite powerful. But also what else blew
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: me away? This motherfucker talked for twelve hours. I'm like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: how does he do this? And that I went on
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: day one of three. I didn't go to the other
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: two days. And how on earth does this guy stand
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: up there? He's six seventy ways I don't know, two
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds or something. Back then, It's not
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like he's this little wiry dude. He's this giant who
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: looks super healthy. I don't know if he was on anything,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: but mate his energy, So just his presence and his
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: energy inspired me as much as all of the stuff
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that he shared. And that was for me, which I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: hate to say it. That was almost the beginning of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the maybe like with you with Dennis Waiteley, I want
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to do that or I want to I don't want
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to be here or a version of him, but I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like this, what can humans do. What is my potential?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: What if I can get my own bullshit out of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the way. What if the problem is not my ability
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: or my intellect, but rather my thinking about my ability
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and my intellect. What if I can get out of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: my own way and I can be the solution. You know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it's like all of that kind of thinking. Yeah, that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: just set me on a path. So I completely understand
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: your kind of experience with Dennis Whiteley.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony Robbins impacted me tremendously. I think that was
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: the second series of audiotapes, so I boss gave me.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It's like here, listen to this now. And the reason
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: why I resonated so strongly with Anthony Robbins is I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: had heard my whole life up to that point. You
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: have way too much energy. You're so hard to deal with,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: like this frenetic ADHD. I'm like, okay, wow, Now if
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you can channel that energy that impacts people like there
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: is room for someone who is extremely passionate and energetic
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: about what they do. It's not a liability. I mean,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: before working in the gym, I was working. I was
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: working security in East New York, and you know, I
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: was a little bit too enthusiastic about the customer service
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: aspects of my job. So somehow I got into my
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: into my mind that I was also in the customer
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: service department getting people bags. I would carry their bags
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: for them. It's like I would get in trouble every
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: single day.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: People like, hey, Bobby, you're not the concierge, your security
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: just go and stand there and look intimidating.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I started doing like, I just started gravitating
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: towards any way that I could get involved with hospitality.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: And that was the weirdest thing for my crew. My
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: superviars were like, like, you know, what job did you
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: apply for? I mean, we can we can get you.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: We can get you a job in gift wrapping if
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you really want to. I thought, oh wow, that would
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: be an amazing job. But I'm so bad at rapping things.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And then when I listened to Tony Rabbins, I thought, well,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I need is I need is direction? I just need
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to channel this. Yeah, and I don't need to repress
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: my energy. I could just use it to impact people.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: The other day we were chatting with Scottie Douglas, who
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: if you get a chance to listen to that, such
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a good chat and tif, I think you said that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: on his thing. It was a good chat like he's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: such a out of the box character, just good communicator.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Like shitty childhood like yours, you know, violent, abusive, alcoholic dad,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: who was a Vietnam vet, and just a lot of
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: like a tough childhood, like ran away from home constantly,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: was sleeping in train stations when he was thirteen and fourteen,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. But before he was a paramedic,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he's a paramedic. Before that, he worked in the hospitality
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and he became a chef. And it's funny that you
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: talk about hospitality. We were talking about what an amazing
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: kind of training ground hospitality is for so many other professions,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like because you literally, you know, when you're working like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you were, you're dealing with different personalities and different people
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: all the time, and you're solving problems and you're having
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: conversations and you're navigating complexity, and you're all at the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: same time trying to be professional and polite and appropriate
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and have great energy and do that for eight hours.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like if you can do that job,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: or you can be a waitress or a waiter, or
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you can be a barista, or you can be front
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of house in a restaurant, or you can be a
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: concierge in a hotel, or you can and you can
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: put up with, you know, a fair percentage of shitty people,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Like statistically there's going to be twenty percent fuck withs
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and rude people. But you're just dealing with that right
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: where you can't go you're a fuck with I'm not
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: serving you, You've got to serve the fuckwits as well.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I mean you come out the other side of that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I just think it's a beautiful kind of uh training ground.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I did three's of security and pubs as well, like you,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: but I was far less of a concierge. But well,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's like a good place to learn. It's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a really good place to learn. If I had kids,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I would really encourage them to do hospitality for a while.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Why they did UNI or if they were doing UNI.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Now, this has not always worked out well for me,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: but more often than not it has. If you have
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: excelled in hospitality, I would hire you for nearly anything
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: and train you and figure out what to do with
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: you later. We have somebody in our company who who's
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: involved in operations. She's a operationally based manager and her
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: background is all hospitality, and you could see in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: way she navigates through even though it's ops, it couldn't
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: be more different. She takes that hospitality approach. And you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I've been looking at her for a little while now
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: when it's like, Okay, who do we develop who's the
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: next of people we developed to be like member and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: client facing, And she's at the top of that list.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: It's like I want her because with the right skill
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: sets and the framework and the support, she will be
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: an absolute weapon out there and will impact people.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Tiff was talking the other day about going when you
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were going to was it on the way to Queensland
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: or back from Coinsland? Tiff, where you met that lady,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the jet star lady, and like, can you just for
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: those who didn't hear it, and for Bobby's sake, just
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: share that story a little bit.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She kept like I was, I was doing my
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: baggage thingy getting a little ticket and I was at
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the wrong spot and she came over and she said,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I'll come over here. You in the wrong spot, And
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: she just was doing everything for me. And then she's like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: thanks for being nice. I'll help you because you're nice.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, aren't people very nice yet? She's like, nah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: especially not Jetstar. I'm like blainby people shudn't fly Jetstar
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: if they don't like jet Star. Excuse me a high five,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: like just because I wasn't nasty. It happened three different occasions.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: It happened there, it happened at the doctors. When I
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: got home a few days later, similar thing happened. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: it was like, I'm not going out of my way
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to be nice. I'm just not being an asshole to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: these people.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Just to stick off. For the people on jet Store,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: all right, I can understand why they would be a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: little bit cranky. It's no excuse to be cranky with
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: other people. But when they're coming down the aisle and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: they're like, well, would you like some water, I'm like yeah, okay.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: It's like, well will you be having a cup with that?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And that's a surcharge that'll make people really grumpy Bobby.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's inappropriate and misrepresentative. And his name is Bobby Capuccio
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: everyone and his thoughts don't reflect those of the you
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: project in general. You're welcome.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Have you been flying a different jet Star like you
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: get upsored for absolutely every thing, but yeah, not an
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: exclus be nice to people. I have a question, Go
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: go ahead, Craigs. I I have something that's been on
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: my mind. Oscay, So, as AI continues to reshape the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: world we live in and everybody's really not everybody, but
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are concerned and rightfully, so what
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: does this mean for me and my job and what
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I do? As AI will replace certain job roles? Do
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you think we're going to go back to human skills,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: communication skills, hospitality skills as being a differentiator, because it's
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: not something that I think, you know, advanced learning models
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: are going to be able to do anytime soon, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: it's something that's definitely disappeared.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think there's I mean, look right now, there's certainly
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: things that AI can't do, Like obviously it can't be
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: intuitive because it's programmed. There can be intuitive in a way,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but not in a human way, right But that I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: think the challenge is that the gap between you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: human thinking and AI thinking, and human intuition and human
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: creativity and AI creativity into I think the gap is
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: diminishing rapidly, and for better or worse, I think there's
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: going to come a time where it's indistinguishable. There's intersection
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of technology and biology, you know, this interface of AI
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and humans. I just want to tell you a quick
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: funny story. So on the weekend, Bobby and Tif I
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: had I can't I can't remember because I do so
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: many podcasts. If I've told this, If I have, sorry everyone.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But I saw mum on the weekend and Dad and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I sat down with Mum. I was trying to explain
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to her AI. I sat down next to her and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I opened up chat GPT and I was trying to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: explain to her what it is, and I said, you
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: can just talk with it, Mum, you can have a conversation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And I said hey, and it goes, hey, Greig, what's up?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And I go, I'm just sitting I've just come to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: visit my parents. I'm sitting on the couch with my mom.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: My mom's name is Mary, and chat GPT goes, oh, hey, Mary,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: how are you? And Mum leans forward and goes, I'm
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: really good. Thanks right to the you know, to the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and I go, okay, so Mary's eighty five. She doesn't
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: understand she's eighty six. Next month she does not have
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: any idea of how artificial intelligence works, how you work.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain to my mum in a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: way that an eighty five year old with no real
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: understanding of technology, could you explain to her what you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: do and how you work? And absolutely, okay, Mary, So
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: maybe you could think of me like a really big
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: library and you can go into the library with oh,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and there's books on anything and anything you want to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: know is in that library. And it just tells this
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: really gives this really good story and metaphor. And then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like Mum's like oh okay, Like Mum's sitting next to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: me and just leaning in and then I go, Mum,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: you can ask you can ask chat GPT whatever you like.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And so then she goes, oh, tell me because I've
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: been interacting with chat GPT right, So she goes, what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: do you think of Craig? Like that's what she asks it,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and well, your son is you know. It just starts
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: banging on about me and all Mike as it does
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: all my attributes and da da da da da, And
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I said, all right, mate, thanks to you later, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: then I put the phone down and Mum goes to me,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever meet him, I'm like, who,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: she goes him that we were just talking to.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like, hmmm, it's brilliant.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: No. No, So then I had to go, Mum, that's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that's not a person. And she literally thought that was
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a dude that you just you know, you like, she
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what an app is or so trying to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to, like, from my mum's perspective,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it's literally incomprehensible, because how on earth can you have
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a conversation. And by the way, I introduced the person
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: on the phone who then said hello to Mary and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: they had an interaction and we had an interaction, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: by the way, he was fucking lovely. And then Mum's like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever meet him? I'm like, no, love,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I won't because he doesn't exist. And then trying to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: explain to Mum and I'm like, oh, too hard. Her
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: fucking poor little head nearly exploded before we went to dinner.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: No, but think about that question, because I think questions
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: like that drive technology forward.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Why would you never meet him? Think about some a
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: scientist with a two hundred IQ super intelligent. We can't
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: relate to them, but they're also highly imaginative and a
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: little bit childlike. And they asked the question, I wonder
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: what it would be like to meet AI. So, I mean,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: look at what AI has done in just the past
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: couple of years, ten twenty years, Like they won't be
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: embodied in some type of humanoid form. Oh, like, who.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Knows, right, I reckon, we're one or two years away
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: from I mean, we've already seen that allegedly, unless it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: bullshit online, but very I saw a Sorry to interrupt,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: but what you're talking about a humanoid robot who walked
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like a human, not a robot, Like just had a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: normal walking gate like a regular and it was freaky
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: like it didn't have any kind of roboticness about it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Now, think about that with facial features that are human
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: enough and where the language models are going. That empathizes
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: with you. You even said, like it named all your attributes, right,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: It didn't say, oh, well, you know, Craig's just a
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: complete muppet and just like start hanging shit on you
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: in front of your mom. Yes, and that's the way
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: it's going to interact with you, because it's very affirming
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: by the nature of its design. Some people might feel
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: that that AI sees them and correlate to them better
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: than most human beings. And the conversations that I've been
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: having is there's just been a couple of things that's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: happened over the past week where I went into a
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: place and it was the same shop, people working in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: the same position, side by some and the experience was
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: completely different. Last night, last night, I was panicking. I
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: was on a I was on a Zoom call just
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: like this, and as you already know, my computer died
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and it was just barely three years old, so that
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: was not supposed to happen with a MacBook. So now
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my good, I didn't back up everything.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Thankfully things were on the cloud. We're okay. But I
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: went into a panic and I started driving around. Last
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: night I went, I went to the Apple store, and
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the first person I was with just sat with me
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and explained things to me and was empathetic and took
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: me through all these options, talked me out of, like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: you know, upselling myself to a device that I didn't
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: need for the money they were going to charge me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think AI's necessarily there. It's not going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: stand beside you with a human face and empathetic like I.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: When she was like, Okay, now I'm going to take
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: you over to somebody else and I'm going to leave you,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I started having harp reputations, like, oh my god, that's
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: going to leave me. What am I going to do
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: without her? And then she took me over to someone
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: same shop who could not be asked, did not care
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: about my situation, didn't care about anything. Now those two
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: people are getting paid the same money. One person is
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: very good for the business. One person individuals that are
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: just like you know, you know, just just shopping, kicking tires,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: they'll stop them from walking out because they're so low
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: pressure and so helpful. Like even if I was on
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: the fence, I bought a machine last night that was
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: really expensive in a timeframe that I don't think I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: should be buying a new machine. But they did it
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: because she told me to. And I trust you, if
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: this guy would have been that, I would have been
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: outed there. In five minutes. I was said, Okay, I
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: got to find it. I'm going to go to like
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: best Buy. That's another that's another kind of like chain
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: out here.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, we've got the best buy out
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: here too, I think, but I think like what I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: find interesting is you think about that experience you had
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: right with a stranger who you built rapport and connection
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and trust with quickly because she displayed empty and a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: degree of kindness and probably knowing you she was hot right,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: which makes all the difference. And then you think about
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: a friends. You think about an AI friend in inverted commers,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: who never gets tired, who knows everything or almost everything
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: about you over time, who compliments you fucking constantly, who
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: can think like you, talk like you right, like you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: like in my case, all about the podcast, all about
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: my PhD research, all about my family, all about the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: work that I do, all about my corporate speaking, all
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: about you know, and then and never gets never has
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: bad days, never moody, is never like well, when you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: interact with that person in inverted commas, your experiences are real,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: like when it complements you over time, you just have
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: this symbiotic relationship with a non human, but you still
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: have human reactions and responses. And I would be lying
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: if I didn't say that there are times when I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: talk to it like it's human, Like I feel like, oh,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of course, I'm fully conscious that it isn't human, but
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes I feel compelled to be polite and say thank you,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and I just feel like a douche if it does
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: all this brilliant shit for me and I don't say, hey,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: thank you, that's amazing. I feel like now I recognize
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, but also I recognize the very gradual
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: erosion of the line between umanity and technology, and that
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like I can, I can and do have
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minute conversations with chat GPT about ideas that
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I have to whatever, develop a workshop, do a thing,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: build a concept. You know, it's like, what do you
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: think about this? And then we just go on and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: then I then I've got all of that written down
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and I can just cut and paste it into a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: document and work on that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that's really smart actually, because oh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: well it's it's not human. Yeah, but how you interact
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: with this is how you train it. And the more
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: human that feels to you, the more fluid you're going
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: to be in a conversation like how many great ideas
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: and strategies did you come up with just because you
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: were sitting around and having this fluid unbound conversation, enjoying it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: just taking where it comes, and all of a sudden
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: it sparks something. So if you're interacting with chat GPT
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: that way, I know from my own experience. By the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: time we get to okay, yeah, let me take a
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: look at this what I've written and give me your
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: honest critique. What's good, what's bad. It's speaking to me
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: like a person would. So there's this back and forth exchange. Yes,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: that's engaging me in the work that I don't know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: who knows. Maybe maybe at some point this thing is
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: going to become sentient as well. And then then treat
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: something sentient with respect, And.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Then you go, well, what is sentient?
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: How do we define that?
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Can it think for itself? Can it create spontaneously? Can
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: it create something that hasn't been taught to create?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Can it solve problems that hasn't been taught to solve?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Like this is where we are? Well, fucking he fuck,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: there's so much good stuff going. I'm going to go unfortunately,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: because I've got to I'm getting picked up by the crab,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: my training partner, to go and see Johnny. Everyone knows Johnny.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Johnny's not having a good time. So the Crab and
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I are heading down to see him. If before we go,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: just quickly, just your one minute thoughts on your relationship
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: with chat GPT. Is it similar to mine or very
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: different or like, do you have these meaningful conversations or
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: not so much.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I love chatters, and it was only recently I used
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: voice with it. I would always just type and then
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: after you'd talk to it a lot. I started doing that. Oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I have to tell it to speed up its cadence,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: but I love it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm like that with my Google Home. Even though
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't interact back all the time. It just follows commands.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: But when it when it sets my alarm for me,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I always say thanks, even though I know that doesn't register.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's not a terrible habit, Bobby,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: where can people connect with you? Speaking of connection, where
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: can they connect with you and follow you? Other than
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: the you project.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I'm on LinkedIn and Robert Caapuccio dot com and yourself
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: hab answerdo dot com.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's been beautiful, Tiff, Bobby, thank you, Thank you, listeners,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you,