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Patriots Unfiltered 11/4: Full Falcons Breakdown, Necessary Improvements, Trade Deadline Day · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 7: Matt Alex in the booth talking Patriots. The deadline for
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  Speaker 5: The deadline for the trades, Yes, today at four o'clock.
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  Speaker 7: Right, a little breaking news, minor news of Patriots signed.
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  Speaker 7: Reportedly Jerry Rice's son, Brendan Rice, wide receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked a practice squad, senior bull guy.
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  Speaker 9: He might end of the senior Bowl. We kicked his
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  Speaker 9: name around during that draft, but has not had a
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  Speaker 9: great NFL career, hasn't done much of anything.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve touchdowns with USC, is that right?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, there's a good college player. Yeah, seeming to
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  Speaker 9: be an outside speed any speed, No more like a
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  Speaker 9: contested catch, big body of his favorite.
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  Speaker 7: So not something we should be like, Oh okay, he
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  Speaker 7: could help out while Booty's at the hamstring.
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  Speaker 3: No, okay, all right, So I don't even.
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  Speaker 9: Know if he's going to be signed to the act.
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  Speaker 7: Of roster as anyone heard anything, any reports Diane Rossini,
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  Speaker 7: Albert Breer, Yeah, well, Ben Vohlan, anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Shakobe Myers on the move where Jacksonville? I mean as
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  Speaker 3: related to us.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's as closest we're getting. That's as close
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  Speaker 4: as we're getting, I think right now, at least, I think.
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  Speaker 9: This might be the most overrated day in the NFL calendar.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, And I don't I blame us, like if
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  Speaker 9: stop it, I blame us. I do because like we
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  Speaker 9: have like trade deadline specials and countdowns and this and
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  Speaker 9: that and the other thing. It's like, this is not
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  Speaker 9: this is not the NBA. Like you're not like Luka
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  Speaker 9: Dancic of the NFL is not getting traded today. Like
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  Speaker 9: you know, Jacoby Myers might be the biggest name that
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  Speaker 9: gets traded today. Yeah, he honestly might. And that's not
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  Speaker 9: a knock on Jacoby. It's just you hear some of
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  Speaker 9: these names, you know, Miles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson, Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 9: Jalen Waddle, like these none of these guys are going
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  Speaker 9: to get traded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not to see the maybe hendricks line. I
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  Speaker 3: mean like if you're the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're already unloaded.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to lose them and you're gonna get nothing.
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  Speaker 9: I understand. I just every year we do this with
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  Speaker 9: the trade deadline, and every year it's depth pieces Keon
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  Speaker 9: White's and Kyle Duggers and those types of players, And
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  Speaker 9: you're not okay with that? What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like does that bother you?
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  Speaker 9: Does it bothers me? How much attention it gets?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 7: You don't like wish it was, Like I wish we
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  Speaker 7: were in the mix and trying to get a.
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  Speaker 1: Bunch of.
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  Speaker 9: Like we're we're talking about like a third pass rusher,
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  Speaker 9: a third running back, you know, maybe depth that linebacker
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  Speaker 9: like those are the spots that that are getting moved
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  Speaker 9: right now, not front line players that are going to
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  Speaker 9: help the Patriots win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite kind of like.
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  Speaker 4: The NHL because it's built in that some star players
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  Speaker 4: will move and you just accept it.
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  Speaker 1: Like the sports.
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  Speaker 5: Different. I know, you don't know what you would know
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  Speaker 5: about basketball if Evan drew you a diagram.
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't know if it's blown up or stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But baseball, hockey, and basketball, the trade deadlines involve like
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  Speaker 5: impact moves for all three sports that will potentially lead
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  Speaker 5: to championships. And I kind of agree with Evan. I
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  Speaker 5: don't really think the NFL has that You'll get a
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  Speaker 5: lot of moves. You know, we probably should mention Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Phillips also moved over the weekend as a guy who
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  Speaker 5: I think Patriots fans sort of wondered about edge rusher
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  Speaker 5: for Miami. He went to Philadelphia for that. That might
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  Speaker 5: be the highest impact move a team that is going
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  Speaker 5: to be in the playoffs in Philadelphia that was looking
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  Speaker 5: for edge help, But you're not going to get Like
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  Speaker 5: you look at some of the moves that like the
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  Speaker 5: Blue Jays made that propelled them to the World Series. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: like I don't think Jalen Phillips is going to be
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  Speaker 5: the difference between the Eagles going to the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 5: or not.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think part of team's reluctance from for doing
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  Speaker 7: UH deals with high end players in the middle of
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  Speaker 7: the season is like fan perception, Like, you know, if
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  Speaker 7: we if we're the Bengals and we trade Hendrickson, our
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  Speaker 7: fans are gonna be like, you've given up? Why should
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  Speaker 7: we you know, be behind you. Do you think there's
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  Speaker 7: any of that?
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  Speaker 9: Like, I think you're gonna be more fans maybe, But
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  Speaker 9: I think it's more about in football, it's much harder
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  Speaker 9: to get a player onboarded than it is in other sports.
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  Speaker 9: Like so, when you sign a player in free agency
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  Speaker 9: or you trade for a player in the offseason, you
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  Speaker 9: have OTAs mini camp, training camp, preseason, you have this
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  Speaker 9: whole build up of how to get that player integrated
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  Speaker 9: into your system, integrated into your scheme, UH, that sort
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  Speaker 9: of thing. Whereas when you trade for a guy at
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  Speaker 9: the deadline, UH, they are basically going to get a
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  Speaker 9: crash core on your offense or your defense and you're
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  Speaker 9: going to get thrown in there. So I think there's
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  Speaker 9: more reluctance to move.
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  Speaker 7: And I could see that if they just a rental
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  Speaker 7: for the year, but if if you have intention of
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  Speaker 7: resigning him and making him a long term part of
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  Speaker 7: your team, I mean, you know, who have you to
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  Speaker 7: do it.
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  Speaker 5: I think that high end players in general, teams want
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  Speaker 5: to hold onto them, like, not necessarily because of the
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  Speaker 5: message it sends. Like if you're Cincinnati, so so what's.
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  Speaker 3: The difference now?
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  Speaker 7: You know, so I get him now and yeah, he's
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  Speaker 7: not up to speed, but now I have the whole
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  Speaker 7: offseason with him.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, I understand your point about acquiring him. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the team that deals them. You said
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  Speaker 5: you think teams don't do that because the message that
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  Speaker 5: it might send. I think teams don't do that because
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  Speaker 5: they want to keep their high end players. Like if
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  Speaker 5: you're Cincinnati, Okay, they're probably out of it at three
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  Speaker 5: and six. But do you just roll the dice that maybe,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we can finish strong and maybe we can
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  Speaker 5: convince him to resign, and if he doesn't, you probably
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  Speaker 5: he signs a big money deal elsewhere. If it's like
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  Speaker 5: twenty million. You know, you get a third round compensatory pick.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah for holding on to him, Now, you have to
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  Speaker 5: you have to wait a year to get that pick.
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  Speaker 5: But you might look at it and say, is that
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  Speaker 5: worth the risk of me? I want to keep this guy.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to trade him willingly. I want to
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  Speaker 5: try to resign him again.
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  Speaker 3: If that's the intention.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that the Bengals will do that. They
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  Speaker 5: had all off season to resign and he wanted a
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  Speaker 5: new deal and they didn't do it. So I'm not
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  Speaker 5: telling you that's going to happen. But if I were
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  Speaker 5: a team, that's how I would go about it. I
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  Speaker 5: just have a lot of good players as long as
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  Speaker 5: I could.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if you think that there's hope, why
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  Speaker 3: not hold on?
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  Speaker 9: Well, you just have a lot more flexibility in the
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  Speaker 9: off season. Like I don't know if Trey Hendrickson in
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  Speaker 9: this renegotiation, he might have negotiated that he can't get
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  Speaker 9: tagged at the end of the year. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: if he did or didn't. But you know, you have
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  Speaker 9: things like franchise tags. You have, you know, more power
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  Speaker 9: I think over the thin you did over the player
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  Speaker 9: in those situations, and if you're the team like the Bengals,
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  Speaker 9: you know, to further Paul's point, like Joe Burrow is
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  Speaker 9: going to be back next year, and then they're right
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  Speaker 9: back in contention immediately as soon as he steps back
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  Speaker 9: on the field.
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  Speaker 7: But I think the Bengals have indicated they would entertain
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  Speaker 7: a first round pick form.
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  Speaker 10: Right if you get blown away by an offer, you know,
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  Speaker 10: but because they wouldn't pay him that money, you know,
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  Speaker 10: like they don't want to pay him an extensive salary,
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  Speaker 10: but they'll take a first round pick for him, right, Like,
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  Speaker 10: it's just the disparities the player being like, you're kind
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  Speaker 10: of holding me hostage, saying, well, we're not going to
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  Speaker 10: pay you that much, but if somebody wants de else
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  Speaker 10: wants to do it, we'll let that.
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  Speaker 5: And I meant more like I used Hendrickson just as
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  Speaker 5: an example because he's up, but I mean in general,
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  Speaker 5: like I think Miami would have to be blown away
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  Speaker 5: to trade Jalen Waddle. Miami wants to keep guys like
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Waddle, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's hard for a team like the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: to thread the needle of a player who's maybe still
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  Speaker 4: in a rookie deal and you know, has a couple
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  Speaker 4: maybe has a year left and is in a position
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  Speaker 4: that you really need and you're going to bring him
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  Speaker 4: in and he's going to love it here, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's more the case of like probably what's gonna happen
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  Speaker 4: with Kobe Myers and Jacksonville, that you'll bring him in.
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  Speaker 4: You hope that he likes Trevor Lawrence and that he
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  Speaker 4: likes the area, and then he's willing to you know,
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  Speaker 4: stick around.
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  Speaker 11: YEP.
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  Speaker 9: I just think it's a difference of in sports, Like
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  Speaker 9: in all these other leagues, rentals are very popular, Like
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  Speaker 9: going and trading for a guy for the rest of
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  Speaker 9: this season is very popular in football, Uh, they don't
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  Speaker 9: view it that way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's nine games or eight games, right, So if.
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  Speaker 9: You're trading for rental as a team like the Patriots,
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  Speaker 9: like let's use Trey Hendrickson. If they trade a first
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  Speaker 9: round pick for Trey Hendrickson, you're really only trading a
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  Speaker 9: first round pick for nine games or eight games of
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  Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson. You're not trading for any future term on
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  Speaker 9: the contract. So like you have to look at it
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  Speaker 9: from that standpoint too, of a business standpoint, you know,
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  Speaker 9: is this really worth it to go all in on
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  Speaker 9: this season on this player, unless yeah.
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  Speaker 5: If you were going to make that deal, right, you'd
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  Speaker 5: have to say, I need permission to speak to representatives,
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  Speaker 5: and we need to get the perimeters of a deal.
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  Speaker 5: He said, you're not going to trade a for I
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  Speaker 5: agree with a thousands.
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  Speaker 7: All right, So if anything breaks with trade the deadline
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  Speaker 7: for the trades, well we'll certainly let you know. And
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  Speaker 7: so of course, you know, stay tuned the Patriots dot
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  Speaker 7: com for any breaking news.
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Phillips went for a third to the Eagles. Would
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  Speaker 5: you have been willing to give a third for who?
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Phillips.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mike would have too. I'm going to guess Evan
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  Speaker 6: would say no.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to think about one of the rare times.
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  Speaker 9: What draft was he twenty two?
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  Speaker 5: He's up? Yeah, he's playing right now, one fifty er options. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so it'll be a rental.
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  Speaker 9: No, but because of the rental aspect, like not because
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  Speaker 9: of the of the draft compensation. I just I guess
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  Speaker 9: I just don't really feel like they're in a position
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  Speaker 9: yet to be buying rentals and.
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  Speaker 3: Trading future draft picks.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: So, Yeah, I would agree with that terminology. I would
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  Speaker 5: have done the move because I don't think the third
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  Speaker 5: round pick is out of the you know, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think it's too extravagant. But I mean, I understand Evan's point.
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  Speaker 5: I guess one of the things. And everybody has different
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  Speaker 5: opinions on this. I've heard a lot of this sort
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  Speaker 5: of you know, this super like cerebral Oh. And I'm
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  Speaker 5: not suggesting that Evan's doing this, because Evan's open to
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  Speaker 5: all of these moves, and we've talked to the last
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  Speaker 5: three weeks, and Evan has been in on a lot
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  Speaker 5: of different guys. But there have been some of our
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  Speaker 5: colleagues that are, like, the Patriots aren't in that spot yet,
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  Speaker 5: Like don't derail like suddenly trading a third or a
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  Speaker 5: fourth round pick derails the whole process that Mike Rabels
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  Speaker 5: and Ryan Cowden are trying to do. You know, you
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  Speaker 5: might get Kyle Williams, And I would just say, wow,
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  Speaker 5: that seemed like an unnecessary shot coming out just.
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  Speaker 3: Saying that the third round can be real good players.
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  Speaker 5: Now we can argue back the other way that that's
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  Speaker 5: another Kyle Williams, but I'm not gonna know that argument.
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  Speaker 1: It can be a crapshoot.
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  Speaker 5: So I would just say like, why are we looking
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  Speaker 5: at it as they're not a player away? I would
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  Speaker 5: agree they're in my you know, in my mind's eye.
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  Speaker 5: I watched the team, I watched the I look at
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  Speaker 5: the roster. I don't think they're a player away from
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  Speaker 5: winning the super Bowl. But I absolutely would have said
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  Speaker 5: the same thing about the two thousand and one Patriots
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  Speaker 5: heading into that playoffs. They're not gonna beat not gonna
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  Speaker 5: beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh, They're not gonna beat the Rams
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  Speaker 5: in the super Bowl. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: you do, do you give that super Bowl back? Because
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  Speaker 5: you've really won a super Bowl caliber team. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's a wide open race in the NFL in general,
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  Speaker 5: you have tied for the best record in the league.
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  Speaker 5: If you could make a move that could help you,
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  Speaker 5: I think you should be interested in that. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: telling you that the Patriots are going to screw this
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  Speaker 5: up and they're going to breslow the trade deadline and
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  Speaker 5: not do anything. I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm
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  Speaker 5: just saying like I would. I've heard a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people sort of say the Patriot shouldn't be interested in
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  Speaker 5: that guy. You know, just you know, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 5: like a backup secondary running back for a sixth throw,
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  Speaker 5: seventh round pick. You have all these sixth round picks.
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  Speaker 5: That seems to be the threshold that everybody has. And
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  Speaker 5: I've heard a lot of people saying this, and I
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  Speaker 5: don't understand why you wouldn't be interested in taking a run.
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  Speaker 5: And I've heard a lot of the cautionary tale. And
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  Speaker 5: again I'm not looking to go down the road. So
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  Speaker 5: the cautionary tale of the Washington commanders. What did the
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  Speaker 5: commanders do wrong? They got hurt, but I'm not even
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  Speaker 5: saying that. A lot of people, you h and I included,
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  Speaker 5: thought that they were going to take a step back
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  Speaker 5: natural progression.
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  Speaker 1: So what did they do?
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  Speaker 5: Like, they didn't. They didn't bugage anything.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I'd still do what they did to get whatever
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  Speaker 3: they did, But they did they.
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  Speaker 11: Go all in.
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  Speaker 9: They traded for Marshall Latimore at the deadline last year,
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  Speaker 9: I know, but like what did they trade for him?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly was that that hurting them?
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  Speaker 9: This year?
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  Speaker 7: He played well and whatever they gave up.
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  Speaker 9: In an age.
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  Speaker 5: That's my point is they didn't mortgage the future to
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  Speaker 5: make some moves, and they went to the NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 5: What if they had won the NFC Championship Game and
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  Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl, that just as easily could have happened. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I just don't think like the Cautionary Tale of the
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  Speaker 5: Commanders says what you think it says. I think the
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  Speaker 5: cautionary tail is they weren't that good. You're probably not either,
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  Speaker 5: So why not strike while the iron's heart. You're playing
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  Speaker 5: really well, You're gonna win a bunch more games coming
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  Speaker 5: down the stretch because you're playing teams that you're better than.
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  Speaker 1: Take a run.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just not a big fan of Jalen Phillips. Like
• 15:43
  Speaker 9: that was more. I didn't use any individuals, but I
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: just to me, I think there's a big term is
• 15:52
  Speaker 9: a big factor. Like if you're trading for a true rental,
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: I'm not that interested in giving up a top one
• 15:58
  Speaker 9: hundred pick for a true rental. If you're trading for
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: a player that has term on his contract, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: Jalen Wattle is under contract. So if they end up trading,
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: make a huge splash and trade for Jalen Wattle, like
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: that is going to be for the next two three
• 16:12
  Speaker 9: years that you're going to have Jayleen Wattle on this team,
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: which is would be a good move. But if you're
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: just if you're trading a top one hundred pick for
• 16:21
  Speaker 9: a player that's going to be up at the end
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: of the year and is going to get hit free agency,
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: I I just don't know if that's the best series
• 16:27
  Speaker 9: of that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: You know, And that's see that to me is a
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: balanced discussion of it, not like no, I'm not doing
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: it because we're not there yet, which is what I'm hearing.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: A lot of, Yeah, well, what if it's not a
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: hugely impactful player, but it's a solid depth piece, and.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: What are you given up the need? Absolutely you should
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: do it if if they kind of stuff, that's.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: That's the only thing that any of the writers are
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: interested in. Yeah, and I'm painting with a broad brush.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that not everybody say, but I've heard a
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: lot of our colleagues they're talking like that, like no, no, no,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: the Patriot shouldn't be interested in in in Jalen Phillips
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: or uh, you know like this. You know these kinds
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: of guys that are you know, these big names that
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: that are being U sort of I don't even know
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: if they're available, like Jalen waddle like Patriot shouldn't. Well,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: that whole.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Thing is often you know, prefaced with they feel like
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they're ahead of schedule.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: This is year one. You know, they want to continue
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: to build it their way. They don't want to give
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: up assets, like you know, do you I mean, but no,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And that's I mean and I'm not. I'm just bringing
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: up as I think it's an interesting way to look
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: at it. Of Like, I get your point, Paul. We
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: talked about all the time. If you never know the
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: year where a couple of people upset in the playoffs
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: and you've actually got a real chance to go. But
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, are you going to
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: be able to thread the needle and get a guy
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: that can maybe stick around, or are you that wouldn't.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Give anything suggesting that they should be like giving away
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: all their first and second round picks, Like I'm not.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that I'm just spots next year. That's
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: You're just saying have an open mind and assess where
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: you might be. I just look at the landscape of
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: the league. I think there were a lot of good
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: teams in the league. I think the Eagles are good,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: I think the Lions are good. I think the Chiefs
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: and the Bills are good. But I don't think anybody's
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: great this year now, and anyone's great.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: If you can pick up somebody who can be part
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: of that building process and you you know, and you
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: think that the player is good, yeah you should look
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: into it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: I don't like the whole rental idea either, if it's
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: everything anything more than a fourth round pick or whatever.
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: But if it's the first or second round pick, it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: got to be somebody who I think is part of
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: that building process and can help me, now, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: I think then I'll think about it absolutely.
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: But then like going back full circle, back to like
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: Trey Henderson, like that's you're training for like a thirty
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: one year old pass rusher.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: So you know, you have to weigh everything, right.
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: I saw all these age contracts or you know, term
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: in the contract, all these different types of things I
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: think are I'm not necessarily saying that it should have
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: and shouldn't, but this is what teams weigh. Like teams
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: don't like play fantasy football with draft picks and just
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: start sending draft picks out for players that are you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: players that are named brands, like they think about contract term,
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: they think about age, they think about how it fits
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: into you know, the nucleus in the in the you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: long term view of the team. And Mike Rabels said
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: multiple times their seven and two record will not determine
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: what they do at the deadline. They're not going to
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: over extend at the deadline because they're maybe a little
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: bit better than they thought they were going to be sure.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: There's another angle to me, and that is protecting Drake.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Not just about how's the team going to do. But
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you're on your third string running back now. If he
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: goes down and you're trying to get through November and
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: December with a fourth, fifth, sixth running back, it's gonna
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: just allow teams to tee off on Drake. I'd say
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: an investment right now and a running back or you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: trying to pad that room a little bit to make
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: sure that you have some depth so that it doesn't
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: go into a game where you've got the corpse of
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Stephen Jackson out there and Drake may's going to have
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: to drop back forty to fifty times, maybe depending on
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: how the game unfold. So I think there's an element
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: to me too of protecting that side of the ball,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and I and to a lesser extent, the defensive imposition.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Like I just like in some regard, I feel like
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the Patriots already playing with house money this year. They
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: are going to make the playoffs, you know, with the
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: team as currently constituted. But I don't want to get
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: there and feel like you missed an opportunity because Harold
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Landry got hurt in week fifteen.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and now you've.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Got Elijah Ponder get thrown into the fire and we'll
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: see how it'll go.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: One of your guys last night, Paul I was listening
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: on the way home Joe Murray, and I agree with him.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: He said, the season is already a success. It's already
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a success.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's going to be nuanced to you and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: there things can still happen.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of I mean, I'm not trying to
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: play that generally speak, but there's a lot of negative
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: things that could happen over the last half of the
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: season to make this nothing.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, if the season today, if somehow and the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Season today, I would say it's.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Somehow, you know, the league had to be canceled for whatever.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: This season has been a success.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, but have a general pause point though that
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of twists and turns can happen that you
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: don't really know. But assuming that things go forward as
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: they've kind of been, I think it's a very good
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: chance that you're going to come out of this season feeling,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you know, very positive and the way more positive end.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Then we got our quarterback and we got our coach.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, this is what I'm I'm glad that you said
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: it exactly that way.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul. What if?
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: What if the second half of what we saw on
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Sunday is what we see the next eight weeks with Drake,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: I don't feel quite the same about the season.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have to know the context.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Admittedly, that is an unbelievable extreme that I'm.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Not expecting, and you know, we have a lot of
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: three I might have then, But that's.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: All I'm saying, because there's a lot of things that
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: could happen over the last eight weeks of the season
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: that could change your opinion. Right now, wild success, Well,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: your quarterback looks like a stud good segue into lingering
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: thoughts from the game on Sunday.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: Well, I just you know, do bringing up the run game.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: And I do think there are cracks showing in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: Drake May foundation right now with his game that maybe
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: you know, you're asking him to elevate a lot of
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: things right now on this offense, and you was as
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: the competition has gotten a little bit better, at least
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: for the defenses that he's going up against. He's going
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: to face another good one in Tampa Bay on Sunday.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: You know how much of that is really sustainable for
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: seventeen plus games to take a middling offensive line, middling
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: receiving room and be a top five passing offense and
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: pretty much every metric you know that without really a
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: great running game. You know, I think that that's a
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: lot of what we're seeing right now with Drake May
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: is there's he has filled a lot of holes on
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: his own.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Well, what's the outlook for Remandre to be bad? We've
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: able answered it on Friday. It seemed like it's gonna
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: be a little bit.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I don't I mean, he didn't say he'll be off
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: to seek We'll see, but I assume it's and.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know this, but wouldn't you just assume he
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: has turf toe, which seems to be the the injury
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: in the NFL this year, And just look at the
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: other guys that are getting turf toe.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: How long they've been.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Out, like six weeks minimum, six weeks.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: You know, Borrow's going to miss three months minimum. Pretty
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: They just recently he was already missed about six or
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: seven games. They just I think Shanahan recently said that
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: it's something he's going to have to deal with the
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: entire season. It's not going to be one hundred So
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: if he has turf toe, could he play in a
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: week or two, probably, but not. I don't expect him
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: to be one hundred percent the rest of the year.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I think it's worth it, and he picked up bullets correct.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: It's worth it for that because because the other guy
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: still worries me in that role, and I think he's
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: getting better. I think Henderson's getting better at it. But
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I think some of the some of the pressure on Sunday.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: I heard someone talking about this today and I would
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: like to credit them, but I don't know who. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: was mentioned that he was a little up and down
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: in that regard.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he gave up three hurries, one of them one
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: of them led directly to a sack but the other
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: two were kind of you know, slow deaths, like he
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: was getting bull rush and he was kind of holding
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: on for dear life.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: And like sometimes say about winning, it's just showing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: Up all with those for a running back against the linebacker,
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: you know, giving up the size that he's giving up.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: But you know, I thought in this game, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: they took six sacks, and I thought five of them
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: were on Drake. You know, there's open receivers and he's
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: just not seeing it or hesitating or yeah, you doing
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: the double clutches that we saw in the second half
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: post strip sack, and all the numbers just kind of
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: plummet after the strip sack compared to before.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Let's go into that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: You say that there were open receivers on five of
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: the six sacks. Yeah, where was where was the pressure
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: coming from? Where were his eyes in relation? And what
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: was the timing of that? Because you know, we've talked
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: about this in the past a lot of times. On TV,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: they'll show you in one frame the quarterback and then
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: another frame a wide open receiver. Yeah, but the quarterback
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: there's no way, because of what was going on in
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: front of him, that he had time to see that
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: so in fairness, like what was going on at the
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: time of this open receiver?
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean I definitely would. I like to
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: think I would not point out like, oh, look at
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: this guy on the other side of the field that's open, you.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Know, insulted him a little bit better.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I know, but I just wanted to explain it. So, yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: we make sure that he's not doing that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: So a couple I'll just give like a couple of examples.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: So there was a red zone sack for example, that
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: they had in the second half that they ended up
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: having to kick a field goal that got into third
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: and goal from like the thirteen after the sack, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: they ended up kicking the field goal. So on the
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: left hand side, they are running a little bunch spot
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: concept over on the left hand side, and the Falcons
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: have it box, so they have four defenders over three
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: Patriots receivers. But on Drake's right it's two on two.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: It's man to man to the backside with digs and
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: Digs is wide open on he's wide open. And just
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: from a quarterback read standpoint, which side would you rather
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: work the four on three side or the two on
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: two side. So like just from a numbers like standpoint,
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: Like you're taught to read the side that has the
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: numbers advantage in favor of the offense. So on that
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: one too.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: On top of it, you know, so where were his eyes?
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: He started left, but he should have started right.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, he would have had we saw we were watching
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Both Evan and I relate like on.
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: That one too, just to like further the point, Diggs
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: gets matched up with Jesse Bates, who's a safety in this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: So on top of the fact that you're talking about
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: numbers on you know, just from a read, you're also
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: talking about matchups like when you have your best receiver
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: against the safety, that should be automatic, like this is
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: where I'm going with the football. So there's that one
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: is is one example. The other example, he actually came
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: back to the same concept and hit Diggs on the
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: second read on his touchdown. But earlier on in the game,
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: he stared down the initial read on the right hand side.
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: It was covered and Digs is over the ball and
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: he's just wide open sitting over the ball, and Drake
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: just kind of got hung up on the initial read.
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: So he's going, you know, that's just literally going one
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: to two, like we're not asking him to go one, two, three, four, five,
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: you're just going one to two.
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: To his credit, later on in the game, he did
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: the exact same thing and hit digs and digs made
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: the guy miss and scored.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: So he did improve.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: Like they probably went back to the sideline, looked at
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: the stills and said, hey, if we get this again,
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: you know, if it's not open like digs is been
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: open over the middle of the field in general.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: Like, So the first example was a pre snap read
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: making a decision. Okay, maybe it called for me to
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: look at this bunch, but I see this. This is
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: now going to be my number one. On other plays
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: where he is required to survey the field, how is
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: he doing seeing the field?
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: I think he's doing a lot of one in runs,
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: which is what worries me. Like he's dropping back, he's
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: looking at his initial read. If the initial read isn't there,
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: he takes off. And that's been really going back to
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: the Tennessee game now that he's been doing that. So
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: what happens a lot to him is that he takes off.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: And this is the NFL, so those gaps close quickly
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: on the line of scrimmage when he tries to run
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: through the middle of the line, so he's trying to
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: get out of the pocket, and then it closes in
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: on him and it's it's like a two yard sack,
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: but it's still a sack. You know. There was another
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: one that you know in this game that really was
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: troubling to me that he had, Austin Hooper. They ran
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: a seven step drop from under center, which is becoming
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: a lot more popular now, going all the way back
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: right to you know, everything is old as new, And
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: they ran a seven step drop from under center, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: Austin Hooper is just crossing over the middle of the
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: field and he is wide open, and Drake May just
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: doesn't throw it. He just doesn't throw it, and then
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: he runs up into the pocket and gets sacked.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Why do you think he didn't throw it? Only he
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: can sem I mean he's right oh, right over his eyes.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: I don't you know, I don't know, you know, what.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Do you mean?
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: It's right over the middle of the field, Like his
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: eyes are right on it. I don't know how I
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: can't know that. Yeah, you can see it, like you
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: can see where he's looking.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I'm asking.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And like it's it's a levels concept. Right over
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: the middle of the field. You have the short and
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: then you have the deeper one, and that's the dish
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: right you know, in the middle of the field. Uh,
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: And that you know seven step drop under center, like
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: you're not looking to hang out back there, like that's
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: supposed to be designed to get the ball out of
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: the quarterback's hands when he hits the top of the drop.
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: So it's just these are instances that keep happening with
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: him on tape. Only he can answer to why exactly
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: he's not making these throws, Like, I can't sit here
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: and tell you why these things are happening. But to
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: his credit, on six of the sacks, they ended up
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: getting first down after four of them because he's getting
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: them into third and long by taking sacks and then
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: he's getting them out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: And another part of that is what you mentioned briefly
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: is that he you know, I don't know what the
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: number is, but a good number of his sacks come
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: when he's climbing the pocket and can't get through, so
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: it's like a two yard sack, right. Yeah, I don't
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: think the the you know, the strip sack. Notwithstanding, that
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: was a big loss. Even if he had held onto
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the ball, that would have been a ten plus yard loss.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: But a lot of times it's around the line of
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: scrimmage where he gets sacked. So you're not like disaster.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just taking so many hits.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's hard. It's like, is this sustainable?
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I don't worry about to deliver.
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: The ball to me? Like that's that there's a difference
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: between like one and run quarterbacks and then like guys
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: that really play quarterback and are sitting in the pocket
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: and are progressing through reads and finding the open man
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: and all that different kind of stuff. And he does that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: Like I'm not saying it's never happens, you know, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: just think that as we sort of get deeper into
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: the season, you know, he has the third highest sack
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: rate in the league right now among quarterbacks. He's taking
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: the second most tax in total, and cam Ward is won.
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: So that's a rookie that's ahead of him on a
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: bad team. That's one, he's two. So when you get
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: deeper into the season, we get into January and they
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: have a home playoff game against Kansas City and they're
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: in third and twelve. The entire game. That's a tough
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: way to live. Yeah, like you just you're you're not
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: going to be able to do that against better teams.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I'd be interested Evan your opinion, because Paul and I
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: on the postgame show we talked a lot about this
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: was what shaky Drake looked like this summer, and you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: on the show, I said he wasn't MVP Drake May
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: this summer, like it was a little bit more uncertain
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: up and down. I talked about Minnesota too, but you
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: know that we talked about the pump, you know, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: you can just wrote about it and after further review too,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: like that's when you know he's just not seeing it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: So the lack of conviction, yeah, yeah, some of those
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: not trusting it, not trusting.
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: It well, even the interception, like he pumps, he does
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: like that little double clutch that drives everybody nuts. And
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: I think the reason was is that he was throwing
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: to like a space in the middle of the field.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: But Hunter Henry was actually correctly running the route, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: so he hesitated because I don't think he really fully
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: was one hundred percent sure Hunter Henry was going to
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: see it the same way, so he kind of like
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: does like a little little uh you know, hitch in
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: his throat, like where it's like yeah right, and like
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: that was all second half from the stripsack on just
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: and so that hesitation that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Like my next point is is this, you know where
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: we seeing a turning point there we all, I mean
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: you said it turnover, happens, strip sack, big play, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: now he kind of loses it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: Well so far when we've seen things like that in games,
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: the next game he's kind of corrected it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so I'm sometimes like I go back to
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: what Evan said about the Tennessee game. That was the
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: game he started running around, and I've seen that for
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: like three weeks.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want him to stop running.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Don't confuse running with mine around. It's it's it's kind
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: of like you know the whole you know, Yeah, he starts,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: but he's not necessarily a starter, you know, like you
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: can run with a purpose, or you can just run
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: around into sacks.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: I know, the drift into pressure.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: I know that the PFF grades probably will argue with me,
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: but I do see that pressure is coming, that the
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: sack is getting.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Small sunts I think are bothering them yeah, they do.
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: They have.
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: You know, I would say, you know, I said five
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: of the sixty shares, and the blame in like part
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: of that is like you can't get strip sacked, right,
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: But the sack was not his fault. Like the sack
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: was good coverage down the field on one who gets
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: beat on the stunt, there's no place for him to go.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: So the only like negative there for Drake may was
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: just fumbled, right, So that's not on him. But like
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: I just think you're on a slippery slope when you
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: start one and run, Like when you start it's if
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: it's not there, I'm breaking the play down where there's
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: open receivers if you just progress past the first read,
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: not just from a physical standpoint of taking hits, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: also just putting the offense into behind the sticks types
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: of situations where you're trying to always get back on schedule.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: I got the sense in this game that in the
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: first half, like Drake was feeling it, like things were
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: working out and like it was almost like I'm doing
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: really good. And then, like you said, Evan, the strip
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: sack happened and it rattled him. Yeah, it kind of
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: brought him back down to earth. But think up to
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: that point in that game, he was kind of smelling himself. Yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: so it was like, nay, I'm a little bit invincible.
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: Here.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: He was in the first game, he was nine for thirteen.
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: And two touchdowns before the strips.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, he was twelve yards in the town and
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: then and then that happened, and it was like, oh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: it's twenty four.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I can't beat everybody.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: If it's twenty four to seven and a half, Like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: you know, I'll be looking at the third straight, right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: you know, walk away win, Yeah, winning, going away.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: He even made I mean that throw to Digs in
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: the second half, even in the rattles half quote unquote, right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: you know you still see the ability.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, that was a third and twelve unbelievable throw.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: And that seems to be the theme coming out of
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: it is they had this bad second half, but yet
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: they were still able to do just enough to hold
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: on to the win. And and that last drive, Rabel
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: had the confidence to say, just go win the game,
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: and he did make the pass and they got the
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: first down and it's it's ballgame.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: So you know, people aren't freaking.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Out, but I'm glad that they did that. Because that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: what teams should do. And I'm glad that they didn't
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: get spooked because it wasn't going great for the quarterback.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: You have to still do the right thing right, And
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, and I know that people think this is
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: a controversial thing.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: I think the right thing to do.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: When you have the lead in the ball at the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: end of the game, your goal should be to not
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: give the ball back to the defense right, not to
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: run it into the middle of the line and run clock.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Your goal should be to get first downs yeap, And
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: the best way to get first downs in that league,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: and that situation is to throw the ball. You can
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: throw it safely, like if it they did there, Like
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: let's just say for arguments sake, number forty gets over
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: and gets up and jumps the route on Hunter Henry
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: and he can't throw it. Well, Drake's not just going
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: to throw it away to stop the clock. He's going
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: to run right, and he probably isn't going to get
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: the first down, but the clock's going to run. You
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: have to punt, and even in the end, but that's
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: a hard play for number forty.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: Even that last drive for the Patriots in the first half,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: I heard a lot of people just just you know,
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: run it and you know and the clock.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: No, you were a good team.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Try to get three the first half, yeah, the first half.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Didn't love the way they handled the end of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: first half.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I was fine with it. Go for points.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: They didn't. That's what I wanted to do. Oh, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: wanted to get into a two minute drill. You know
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: why they got into a two minute drill because Raheem
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Morris called back to back timeouts. I thought they were
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: going to run the clock out. They were throwing the ball,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: no drake like one of Evans things kind of just
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: quickly ran to the sideline, slid in bounds to keep
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: the clock running. They would contend to run the clock out,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: and Morris called back.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: To that time that was an option, but I think
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: they were they wanted.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: They were very conservative on that drive until the two timeouts.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Then they converted the third down. Yeah, and then they
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: tried to get points.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: I didn't like that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, and they tried to stop, but it's not
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: like they weren't. Their intention was to try to double dip.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Their intention was to run the clock out. Raheem Morris
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: called two timeouts to say, all right, well, we got
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: to try to get a first down on third down,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: here we go. I don't didn't want to give the
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: ball back to.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Morris, Yeah, no, I don't. I don't know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I think that they were very conservative on the first
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: two plays.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Maybe it's conservative play calling, but not to the point
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: where they their intention wasn't to score.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I think it was to get in feel positioned to.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Put I don't know why you wouldn't run out of
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: bounds then on that run.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: Were trying to keep the running. But sometimes you want
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: to do it both ways. You want to score points
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: and not leave them time.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: I hear what you're saying. I think that, especially the
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: first down run is usually a dead like Josh McDaniels,
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: we're going to try to get some cheap yards here,
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: We're going to run some clock. Yeah, that that's that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: a classic one of his that he normally does in
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: those situations. But I I just I'm glad you mentioned
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: the throat of digs in the second half, because it
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: wasn't all bad. I mean, that throws insane. That was
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: like that, and the fact that he ripped it tells
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: you that it wasn't like totally in his head at
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: that point that he you know, wasn't really totally completely unraveling.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: He was throwing into a spot.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's just to hit that window is insane.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I just say that anyone's listening and getting triggered that
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: we're talking negatively about Drake.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: He didn't go on the bad list. He didn't go
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: on the good list. We didn't.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: To go on the bad list.
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's funny because you know, this is my lowest
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: graded game for him since the opener, but he's still
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: basically was a winning quarterback, like you know, and so
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: like his bar has just been set so high. You know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: his QBR was fifty point five, so like he was
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: right in that middle, right, So it wasn't like there
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: was no place in this game. I mean the touchdown
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: throated pop Douglas is you could watch that ten times.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: To think that he wasn't going to have a game
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: like this or maybe more than one, you know, during
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: the stretch, is unreasonable. I mean, he's he's still a
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: very young quarterback who was just really having played a
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: full set of games for a season.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: What is this like is twenty second game?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was twenty second you know, I have
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a question for Evan. I love when that happens.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like teams are adjusting to him and
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: teams are starting to get a beat on what he's
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: doing and starting to adjust now as he gets more
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of a sample size, And is that is it not
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: just Drake kind of reverting to some of his old ways.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Is it somewhat the defenses and opponents are realizing.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the other thing. I think that's a good point.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: You have to give some credit to other teams.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: I was going to actually go there, Fred, because this
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: Falcons defense number one pass defense in football coming into
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: this game, right, you know they Drake had the most
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: passing yards of any quarterback against this defense all season
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: and that includes Josh Allen to.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Lit him up last week though. Yeah, I had only
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: think you had two hundred yards and four touchdowns.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: So, you know, they very good pass defense, very good scheme.
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: You know, they they really shut down pretty much everybody
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: that they've faced all year long, and they won some rounds, like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: they won some rounds. And you know, one of the
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: things that they start to do after Pop's fifty eight
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: yard crosser is they started cutting the crossing routes in
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: the middle of the field. So instead of trying to
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: run with him in man to man, they started putting
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: a safety right on the crosser and if it was
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: a crosser, the corner would fall off pop and pass
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: it to the safety. So they did that a handful
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: of times as the game wore on. They did it
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: on the strip sack and they did it on the pick.
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: So both instances were crossing routes where they thought they
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: were going to get post safety or man to man
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: coverage with the safety up top, and in both instances
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: they cut the crossing route in the middle of the
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: field and it caused issues for the Patriots. So the
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: Falcons adjusted within this game. I don't know if I'm
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: starting to see week to week like big picture adjustments
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: like Deuce was kind of talking about. But Atlanta, there's
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: a lot of credit defensively in this game. The Patriots
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: had them on the ropes for like a quarter and
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: you know, really almost two full quarters until the strip sack,
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: and then they made some adjustments and they were able
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: to kind of get a beat on what the Patriots
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: were doing.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: You draft knicks, Mike and Evan, can you tell me
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: about Billy Bowman.
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: So he's a nickel nickel safety, a good player, scrappy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Because clearly they've missed him. Yeah, because the Falcons have
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: these gaudy numbers. He missed the last two games and
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: they haven't been anywhere near as good as they were.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: So I'm not saying it's one, you know, down to
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: one guy. I know Zach Harrison been being out as
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: probably the best front seven player, and he's been out
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: the last couple of games too, But this, I'm just
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: in terms of the secondary. I wonder if maybe they're
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: scrambling and it's taken them a little while to so
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: they you know.
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: To that point. They picked on Mike Cues a little bit,
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: but they really picked on d Alford, who is Billy
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: Bowman's replacement in the slot.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Alford was the guy I noticed a lot. Yeah, he
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: made a good play early, but I thought he got
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: really badly beaten on that play initially and the throw
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: was a little late. Then they went back to those deep,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: deep shots that you know, I guess they were over deep,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: over what would you call the route. So I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: want the AT and T crowd.
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: You know, each of them are kind of a little
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: bit different. But they have like three different iterations of
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: that route. So one of them they just call a
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: bee line, which is literally just run a straight line
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: across the field.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: That was working because Pop was opened three times on you.
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the one that you're talking about, the throwback is
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: like a corner post, right, so he's going to nod
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: to the corner and then break on the post. It's
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: the same route that he ran in New Orleans on
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: his touchdown and he got it. They they got the
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: safety on it again. Uh, but because Drake was rolling,
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: it just like took a little bit longer for it
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: to hit. And then they also have like different iterations
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: of crossers where you're talking you know, shallow over, deep over,
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: So like it depends on the exact concept of that
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: they're running. But they like the bee line a lot
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: with Pop because he's so fast. Just just run, like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: don't don't try to like sell anything. Yeah, just stay up.
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah that part drunken sale are all right?
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• 44:06
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• 44:10
  Speaker 3: It's Nate in Connecticut, what's up, Nate?
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  Speaker 13: Hey guys, can you guys do we will?
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  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: Uh So my question for you guys today is, you know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: next week we're headed to Tampa, I believe, and we're
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: gonna have a pretty good game. I think, two pretty
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: good teams. And my question for you guys is what
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: do you think the biggest weakness going into the Tampa
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: Bay game is? You know, obviously Kaishawan Boody wasn't in
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: the majority for the Falcons game, and sure that played
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: a big role. And you know our secondary I think
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: was a little lessy and that's Ira Elliott Wolf. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 13: think I'd probably make a move here at the deadline
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: to get a defense player. On a side note, there's
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: been some controversy or news about what people are calling
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: class gate, where yeah, I know, I think it's total bs.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: Well, Raheem Morris has come out now and said he
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: was going off with what his players told him, right, Yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: so that was on him.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: He was angry and he's listening to.
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: The We have major NFL breaking news.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, thanks Dave. We'll answer your question in
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: a second.
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: The New York Jets have traded Sauce Gardener to the
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: Indianapolis Colts.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Now that's big blockbuster.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: That is big sauce gardener to the Colts.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: That's huge.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Let me let me just add So that's kind of
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: what I'm talking about. That's the opinion. So the Colts
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: are obviously looking at this and saying we have a shot.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's clearly was their biggest need they've been looking
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: for corners.
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: Is that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that specific move. I'm not saying
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: the patriot should have been looking for sauce gardener. The
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Patriots have Christian Gonzales right that they're going to have
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: to pay like sauce gardener next year. Right, I'm not
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: suggesting this individual thing, but that's the kind of move
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: that I'm saying, is we recognize we have an opportunity here.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know where they think they are in the
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: rebuilding plan.
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: I don't feel like they even have their quarterback in
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: the future. Like, are you totally sold Daniel Jones?
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Is inn preach?
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Just this is what I'm saying, Like, you never know
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: when the year that you can make a run is
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: going to happen, right, So, like, is this a dumb
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: trade for them?
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: What did they trade.
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: I'm refreshing. We don't know what they traded yet, so
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: they year. Yeah, so that's the difference, right is Sauce
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: is under contract for the long term, so this is
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: not rental. This is they are going to have Sauce
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: garden that division four years. I think it is.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: And I would say, now, you're Jets.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Fan, was really the season. But by the way, it's.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: Really good, really good news for the Patriots.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: In seriousness, they have to play the playing them in tenas,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: so you take obviously a very good player always works
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: out for the Patriot. The Jets are in sneaky fire
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: sale mode too. You know, we've heard a lot about
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Breest Hall. I saw something today that they would take
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: a second round pick or you know, probably won't get
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: it for Jermaine Johnson. That's another guy. Now again I'm
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: not talking specific to the Patriots. I'm just saying with
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: the there's two teams in the division right that look
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: like they're ready and willing to trade everyone in Miami
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: and it's crazy.
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: So the trade, maybe chefter has it two first round picks.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: Two first round picks is a lot.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, is a lot. Now, I'm not telling you it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: a bad move. But what I hate is this move
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: will be evaluated based on when and how the cults
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: are eliminated, and that's not how it should be a value.
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: It shouldn't be well, not because he's under contract, right Like, no, no,
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: no again, I know it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Don't take They have a pretty open mind.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: When it comes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: I'm not taking it personally. I'm just saying, like this
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: is this may move makes sense for the Colts because
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: he's going to be a Colt, you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Know, like they're traded well, I mean obviously they wouldn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: give two first round picks, so you know, I.
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: Think he fits great in that scheme that they're running
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: with big corners. But he has in my mind been
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: like to any little bit overrated with the Jets.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: He hasn't played well as well this year.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: He played No, he's played well this year. He didn't
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: have a great year last year, and supposedly the reason
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: was he was trying to protect himself all year.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I just I like it for the Colts. I mean,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of glaring holes.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: And I mean the question to me really boils down
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: to so you're saying, Daniel Jones is our guy, We're
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: not going to have to worry about not only.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Drafting a new quarterback.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: In the quarterback which won those first round pick, you
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: might be like, maybe not this year, but maybe if
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: you're stung like you're not getting in the first round,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: you're going to be picking somewhere between twenty and thirty two.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: But eighteen and thirty two you're going to be in
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. Yep, so you're one of the bottom fourteen picks. Yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: you're not getting a quarterback.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Good receivers, young receiving corps, you know, all under the contract,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: good offensive like, good defensive line.
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: Not that you know, the Patriots were probably going to
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: be heavily favored in both games against the Jets anyways.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: But I was actually just watching Jets Bengals because from
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: a couple of weeks ago, and uh like justin feels
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: like Lamar Jackson against that Bengals defense, and like, you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: they're they're one and seven, but this is really giving up, right,
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: Like this is really waving a white flag. So I
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: just really wonder, you know, I already kind of choked
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: those up to two wins anyways against the Jets, but like,
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: how much are you really winning those games now? Because
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: if you're telling the whole organization that you're waving the
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: white flag by trading Sauce, Like that's like the Patriots
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: trading Gonzales, right, and you know, kind of sending that
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: message like last year, like.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: The fans feel for the Jets, I'd be sick. I mean,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this is a super talented guy's.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Going to give up again again. I emphasize they're going
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: to completely fraud just start over again.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the signal to me.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: I just kind of like the trade for the Colts.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: But I just wonder, like, if you're a Colts fan,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: you're ready to go.
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: If you're Wilson, what are you thinking now, Like if
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: you're Garrett Wilson, Because they both signed their extensions at
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: the same time, same draft class. They both signed their
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: extensions and locked in free Garrett Wilson, and now they
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: are one in seven.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I'll take him.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: Who first round picks? No, okay, but you wouldn't take
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: him there.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna guess he's gonna go for the same kind
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: of compensation if they traded him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: Oh we got no one more other trade not as
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: big as there is the Sauce Gardner trade. But Rashijaki
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: to the Seahawks.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: That's a guy who some people kicked around for the Patriots.
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so Saints wide receiver, big time speed, big time
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: deep threat, like kind of like a bigger Pop Douglas.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I like that one too.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was just telling him I just watched
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: that Seahawks Bucks game, which was crazy. JSN this that
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: kid is playing out of his mind right now. So
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: now you get some speed on the outside with Shahid,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: maybe help him out a little.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Bit and going for you know, the Seahawks are another team.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: They are like they're making a run.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: They are.
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Donald's on the.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Top of their division. Donald probably gonna be the MVP.
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: If he had ended today, probably would be the end.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: Just the numbers he's putting up are absolutely.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: It's almost a similar situation the Cults where they bring
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: in another guy. They really have the quarterback another team
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: and he's playing really, really well.
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: So the Vikings had Sam Donald Daniel Jones both on
• 51:33
  Speaker 9: their team and ended up with JJ McCarthy.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: So that's interesting enough. Christians in LA, what's up, Christian
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: christ Jan Hey.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: You guys, happy, Happy to see you guys, and I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: hope everyone out there and Patriots Land goes out and
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: vote like a real Patriot, because it's important to make
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: your voice hurt. Okay, so about the last game, I
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: just want to talk about the end of the game first,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: and stay that decision by Rable to throw the ball
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: typify something that I've always said a million times. Good
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: teams throw the ball and execute. Bad teams run the ball.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And hope that's something that I made up that I
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: always say, Yes.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: You, I remember I read that that you made that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: In fact, I took it from you.
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Bill quoted you in his book.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: Well done, Christian, I got it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: But seriously, and on the football, I think I think
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: as far as the team trading goes, I'm actually with
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Paul in the sense of saying, if not now when
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: we are, in my estimation a season ahead of schedule
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: as far as our progression of Drake and the way
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the team is playing and the amount of ways that
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: we've already got So with being a season ahead, let's
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: treat it as if we are. And next season, if
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: we were in this position with everything to be gathered,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: we'll we go for it. A little more. I say
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the answer is yes, and then I say, if we're
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: going to do that, and here's my question to you guys.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: To me, the easiest position to bring on board mid
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: season is an elite pass rusher like hands of the
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: dirt edge guy that's just pass rushing. Secondly would be
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: a rangy or good linebacker. The reason why I say
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that pass rusher is his platebook. Getn't that that that deep?
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think it's just go get the quarterback.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Certain schemes drop out, but for the most part, his
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: job is just go get the quarterback. So let's make
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: a run. Let's make a splash. Let's get a splashy
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: edge guy to rush and a rangy linebacker, and I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: think we are actually there.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, up the air, guys, have it all right, thanks Christian.
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: I agree with him pass rush is the easiest thing
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: to translate. It would certainly be at the top of
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: the yeah because running back at least, but I say
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: linebacker might be one of the hardest.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't agree with him on the rangy linebacker,
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: not only the lack of availability of those as say,
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: everything pretty uh pretty impactful trades. Absolutely, I mean I
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: think that. I mean that it's not going to get
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: the the attention of Sauce Garden, but Rashid heat for Seattle.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: Is these are two teams that just traded away a
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: great compliment and good players on their team.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe take away and you know, take away some of
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: the burden off of J. S N who's done every.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: He's for that that passing attack I pointed out just
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: to highlight. I mean, haven't said it when J s
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: M was coming out and I asked that, didn't you
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: say this? It was like the Brian hartline said at
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: the time that he's the best of all those high
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: receiver receivers.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: So he looks like it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Brian and Lowell.
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Brian, Hey, what's up guys? Brian?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: What's going on today? Do you have a good game?
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, way wait, think
• 54:52
  Speaker 14: about that win?
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: Nah?
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: Oh my god, yeah, that's great.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: One point. That's it on land Romo got cut today.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Did he?
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: Lanta the kick I missed the actor point.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was something. How where were you when that happened?
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 55:14
  Speaker 15: I was at home as usual and watching it.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: A lot of people coming in and out again. Yeah, yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: what did you do when Romo hit missed that kick?
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: Did you jump out of your seat?
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, god yeah. I was like, oh, we at
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: least that was.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's great.
• 55:36
  Speaker 15: Well you heard you just had about Clopgate, this clock gate.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah you heard about I heard about it.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we talked about Clopgate.
• 55:44
  Speaker 16: I mean, you know, you know, the.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Patriots are back when you're getting a cheating. But thanks
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: for the call, Brian, appreciate it.
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: I just, you know, as a ball no er, I
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: just think like I would just like to man's playing
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: silent count for a second and just kind of explain
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: what happened. So if if you watch the play, well
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: let's start from the beginning. When you watch the play,
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: the Falcons motion or receiver from the left to the
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: right side of the formation to create a three by one.
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: So Jalen Hawkins is in the back. They go three
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: by one, and he's trying to get Carlton Davis's attention
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: to change the coverage because of the different formation. So
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: he does go like this to Carlton Davis to try
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: to get his attention. So what happens when you're on
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: the road and you have silent count is a lot
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: of teams will have the guard, whether it's a left
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: or the right guard. This case it was the right guard.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: He will look back to the quarterback. The quarterback will
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: have some sort of non verbal signal like a leg
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: kick or maybe some guys go like this when he
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: wants to snap, so snap. It's the right guard's job
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: in this case to tap the center when it's time
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: to snap the ball. And then the center is looking
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: forward the entire time tap, so you're supposed to just
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: give him a little tap then he snaps the football.
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: Ends up happening is the Falcons are claiming that they
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: heard from fifteen yards away they heard Jalen Hawkins clapping,
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: and so the center thought, we must be getting down
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: on the playclock. I'm just gonna snap the football. The
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: rest of the offensive line, not the right guard, but
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: the other three spots. They're watching the ball. So when
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: the ball moves, they move, which is why only the
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: right guard stays in his stands.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: So something coach, I don't know what hate advantage of
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: bad foot pay.
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: To his credit, Milton Williams rushed, yeah, and so he
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: went and he gets in the backfield immediately. But that's
• 57:45
  Speaker 9: why four fifths of the offensive line moved and only
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: the right guard was standing still. So the question is,
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: is you know when you talk about and this is
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: what I think Rabel is talking about, and he kind
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: of did a bad job of explaining himself yesterday. When
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: you talk about like simulating a snap count, usually that's
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: somebody up front that's clapping or yeah, exactly. So I
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: just blame it on a safety is like a huge leap, right,
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: But that was even before.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Came on yesterday and said the thing he said, like
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: this kind of smells to me like the guy coming
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: off the field being.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Like a snap that would you do totally, totally would
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: have reached out to me.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: You guys know me, I would just just to tweak Fred.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: I would jump in even if I didn't believe it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: I would jump in just but I mean, Evan explained
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: how far away I.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Like it, and I because it's a sign that we're back,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: that we're being accused.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: Of the only the only we're back, the only thing
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: in fairness, I do want to say, the one thing
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: I didn't like was kind of what Evan alluded to, Like, Mike,
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: you watch the play, you did see a guy clapping.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: You claims like I've watched it several times. I don't
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: see what they're talking Like there was a guy clapping.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: I think the way Evan explained it is exactly why
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins was clapping.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: He's looking right at Carlton Davis. I think he was
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: doing some sort of signal to that all the time.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: And it happens all the time. And I agree with Evan.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: It's a good ten to fifteen yards away. He's like
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: ten or eleven yards behind the ball. Plus he's sort
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: of off to the you know, the the offensive right
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: of the formation, so he's a good fifteen yards away.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: There's no way that sent.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: He was wearing special gloves that you have.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: To admit they were funny. So I only heard, like
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: could you hear Felgert? He goes, some guy calls in.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: He's all butt hurt and he goes, why do you
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: think I do it? And he goes and the guy
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: couldn't like figure out he because it bothers you.
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: I don't hear the whole thing, but he was taught.
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: He thought it was like the college offense, like we're clapping.
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: It wasn't which it wasn't, but I just really quickly.
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: I don't want to like.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Because it has to turn into there was shotgun dipsy jew.
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: I don't want to give it away too much of it.
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: But the Patriots do not use their silent count in
• 59:59
  Speaker 9: the same way that Falcons do, and I think that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: the way they do it is better because there's less
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: of like a chain of communication, so it's still just
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: the center in quarterback communicating. So ideally you wouldn't have
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: that issue because it's gotta go from the quarterback to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: the guard to the center to you know, and then
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: there's like a whole kind of game of telephone where
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: it's just like waiting for a mistake to happen. So
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: the Patriots do it a little bit different.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: All Right, we're gonna take a break.
• 1:00:26
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  Speaker 11: How you doing. I'm doing well. Are you doing good?
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  Speaker 17: What's your what's your biggest takeaway from the review of
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  Speaker 17: the film this morning?
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  Speaker 1: That's good if you can get a chance.
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  Speaker 11: To watch that, of course.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, obviously. Well for our game, for sure.
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  Speaker 16: Uh, obviously, I'm gonna be more critical on the defensive
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  Speaker 16: end and pick at us just as a bit much
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  Speaker 16: as we can. But I think it's an opportunity that
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  Speaker 16: we have some opportunities to take the ball away, and
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  Speaker 16: I think we got to see those opportunities a bit
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  Speaker 16: more to make games not being so close and challenging.
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  Speaker 16: And I just think overall, like some keep speaking for
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 16: the defensive end. Man, we flew around, We made quite
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: some plays. Those guys are professionals too, They make some
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  Speaker 16: plays in their end, and we just got to make
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  Speaker 16: more plays in them for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Okay for you, that's gonna say, kalong, big game this week,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: both two good teams.
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  Speaker 11: How much do y'all enjoy the opportunity to play games
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  Speaker 11: with the pretty dope? Pretty dope?
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  Speaker 16: Obviously we get a chance to to fight adversity and
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  Speaker 16: see much about ourselves ourselves, Like I said, very talented
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  Speaker 16: team aren't regardless of what media aspects may say about
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  Speaker 16: them or whatever it is. But I'm super talent on
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 16: the field man and will coached. So we got an
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  Speaker 16: opportunity to fight adversity and see and see where we
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  Speaker 16: lies in the great battle of being tested, and we
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  Speaker 16: came out on top.
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  Speaker 3: You look at them here fall sick or sort.
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  Speaker 11: Let's focused on other things too.
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  Speaker 5: Saying there we get them on grounding up this week,
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  Speaker 5: but pressionally, moving off the spot the potential branding.
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  Speaker 11: You lik at that and say it's number.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we like more of them.
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  Speaker 11: We're doing a good enough job.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, It's always like a hard balance to try to
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  Speaker 16: find between two because you want the numbers and you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 16: want the sacks, for sure, But we find ways to
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  Speaker 16: affect the quarterback in whichever way we can, Like you said,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 16: the tension of groundings. Man, we had a safety last week.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying, just getting the ball out
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 16: and we're just causing a lot of quick throws and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 16: have it up front. You know, whatever it is, get
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  Speaker 16: an extra clutch and or call some type of disruption
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 16: within routes and qv time and so everything matters obviously
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 16: when it comes to get to the quarterback. But for
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 16: sure I can tell you that this front is still hungry.
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  Speaker 16: We know that we're capable of much more than what
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 16: we put on film.
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  Speaker 12: You said you're more focused on the defensive lines. After
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: watching it takes to like the defensive back specifically. We're
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 12: really involved in the run game. What does it mean
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: to you as a guy who's in the trench and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: seeing defensive backs being involved in playing physical against that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 12: kind of rushing attack.
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  Speaker 16: No, that's super doope. That's super dope, man. Seeing Carlton
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 16: come in, hit Gonzo come in hit man. So it's
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  Speaker 16: not too many times where you can see corners bit
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 16: as physical as though too, and they come in and
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  Speaker 16: they make plays regardless and without any type of hesitation.
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  Speaker 16: So pretty dope to keep having everybody all eleven involved
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 16: in the run game and take pride in that, and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 16: we know those and gettest opportunities in the past game
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 16: for sure, So I credited those guys. We continue to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 16: show up, man, and I hope that we'll continue to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 16: do that all your long.
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  Speaker 12: Did you hear after the game the Facts were talking
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 12: about on that intentional grounding play?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 11: I guess they heard some clapping from your side of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: the line of SCRIPTA. Did you hear anything like that?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 11: Were you guys clapping before the snap there? This is
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: my first time here anybody, so I wasn't aware of that,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: but I would hope that we would. We don't do that.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: We play the game fair and we go out and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: do whatever we can to win.
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  Speaker 1: You're the one that's facing a couple of young quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 11: They'll go up against this week.
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  Speaker 5: And I know you probably haven't died in his cap
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  Speaker 5: of day yet, but when you look at how to.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Big Mayfield back and spend play against him with.
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  Speaker 11: That, how do you there during the again, off Stu.
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  Speaker 16: Man Beggas is a great quarterback. I think we all
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 16: been kind of watching the mixcel and getting better and
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  Speaker 16: better each year and each especially as he's getting comfortable
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 16: with the system. So it's going to be a thing
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 16: about obviously getting them off their time and then off
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 16: their rhythm. Man, they're very good at their script and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 16: kind of just making sure just methodically getting downfield, and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 16: he takes whatever he can get. And when it was
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 16: exposed to show up, they got some fast guys the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 16: receiver and making plays. So it's gonna be one of those, man,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 16: everybody kind of haves to just be dialed in and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 16: focus into their details. Man, those guys are going to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 16: make plays, but we have to make sure that we
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 16: make more plays than they make.
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  Speaker 11: There's a pretty historic run right now.
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  Speaker 5: We're not allowing running back still the fifteen yards. Is
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: that something you're aware of heading in the week and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: wanting to continue that stream or is it something that.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: You you don't what you think about.
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  Speaker 16: I think it's more of an outside noise than internal.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 16: I think we don't really mention it much in the building.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 16: We take pride in being a great run defense for sure, though,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 16: but we don't really mention much about stats and kind
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 16: of like what's the running back average against us?
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  Speaker 11: But it's a dope stat to have for sure.
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  Speaker 7: Man.
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  Speaker 16: Once again, I was like I was yesterday post game,
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  Speaker 16: and I think it's a mentality that we carry within
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  Speaker 16: the defense man. Just continue to be stout in the
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  Speaker 16: run game, be gap sound, and put ourselves in positions
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  Speaker 16: to where we can pin out yours back and get
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  Speaker 16: out to the quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Do you have a campus to.
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  Speaker 11: Campus top?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I did.
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  Speaker 11: I had a good chance to.
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  Speaker 17: I just wanted to ask you about your season just
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 17: sort of as a whole your you know, like to start.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 11: With the five and a half sacks, which is a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 11: career high.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Is there something about what's happening with you individually and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: this team this scheme.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 11: That is maybe bringing up the best of unit?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: What do you what do you feeling?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: What do you see?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 16: I mean, it definitely helps playing with the guys I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 16: play with, for sure, got some exceptional defensive backs, exceptional
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 16: guys and inside Milton Christian herold on opposite and getting
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 16: getting to the quarterback. So when everybody is kind of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 16: making sure they win it in one on ones and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 16: dominating in their roles in the game. Man, I think
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 16: it makes everybody's job a bit more easy, especially when
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 16: you can just focus on one of your one on
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 16: one battles. So credit to everybody that's on the field
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 16: within man, I think that's how this goes into started
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 16: off in O T as we continue to build that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 16: chemistry and that ground and kind of just see how
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 16: we want to get to the quarterback and how we
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 16: you know what I'm saying, willing to rush as a
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 16: unit rather than individual past rush.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 11: So it's been dope.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 16: It's been dope to have a season like this, for sure,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 16: But I give all credit to everybody that's on the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 16: field with me for sure. Specific how he distinguished himself
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 16: he honestly as as player, these physical skills, but the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 16: effort in either leadership, you.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: Know, and.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, So I mean Milk's dope.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 16: Obviously he knows what a championship contended team looks like,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 16: and he definitely voices his opinion when it speaks that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 16: he might not be as loud, right, he got, right,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 16: he got But he knows when things not looking right
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 16: and things kind of looking and going in the right direction.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 16: So Milk keeps is all on the right path, man,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 16: whether it's for Christian, Harold or me sessional when we
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 16: out there rushing together, some things that he sees, especially
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 16: if it's a slo protection or if you know he
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 16: has a one on one matchup, or if he's just
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 16: seeing some different sets between the pair of a garden tackle.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 16: He steaded talking about on the sideline and trying to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 16: make sure we're on the same page. So pretty dope
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 16: to be to be to have milk with hims. I
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 16: think I was that two years ago. He was a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 16: part of recruiter had with seventy two sacks in the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 16: season and something like that. So I mean, he knows
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 16: how to get to the quarterback, he knows what it takes.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 16: So I'm super dope to have him inside with us
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 16: for show.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: I'm cure you know your view of the trade deadline.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: Being on a team that's been as successful as it's
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 11: been to this point in the season, do you look.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: At the trade deadline and say, man, it'd be great
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 12: to bring somebody in here to help us get even.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: Better, or how do you look at it when you're
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: part of a winning team where you guys been.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 16: Yeah, that's a question, Rights. I don't really have an
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 16: answer for it. I don't really kind of dig too
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 16: much in that.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 11: Man.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 16: I control what I can control, and that's my play
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 16: on the field. Hopefully I'll do everything I can to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 16: make sure that we continue to go in this direction
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 16: for show up.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: Okay, thanks appreciate, John, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: I was told that I said carry on wrong. I
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  Speaker 5: No, what I'm saying you just said was wrong.
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  Speaker 7: But Paul, you just said that's not You didn't use
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But but when you say, but, when you say carry on,
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  Speaker 5: It's my carry on back.
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  Speaker 7: every team honors one person and usually you know a
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  Speaker 7: player that has a service member and a family or
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  Speaker 7: you know, we had Joe Cardona who was actually in
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  Speaker 7: the Navy.
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  Speaker 1: While he was here.
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  Speaker 7: But this year the Patriots honored Fred Waggott, who works
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  Speaker 7: at our security. He's been here for years, you know,
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  Speaker 7: he's been here since nine. He served in the Army
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  Speaker 7: a tribute. You can see that in the North End
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  Speaker 6: Congrats, Yeah, well, very much.
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  Speaker 1: Good for Thread.
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  Speaker 3: We see him around all the time. Great guy. Uh
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  Speaker 3: served in both the Army and the Navy. Really, that's interesting,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: I think that was frowned upon. Well you re enlisted.
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  Speaker 1: He enlisted after nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Relisted after nine to eleven?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: Really where he worked with Nextel and helped get cell
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: phone service back on in New York after nine eleven.
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  Speaker 6: And guy's done a lot.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, all right, that's great, Wow, that's amazing, good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Fred Wagott, all right, I believe his full name is Wolfrid.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Oh he's done a real friend?
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  Speaker 7: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Friedrich? Well, I will confirm I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the phone, shall we.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: We'll start with Eldred North Carolina? What's up?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: Eldred's powerful?
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Hey, Hey, there's a couple of lectures there for
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: ad Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and go on in.
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  Speaker 14: Hey, but there's a question I saw on the website.
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  Speaker 19: Steven N.
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  Speaker 14: Smith reported, I know during World we didn't sign to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 14: Meccao or ply from the Jets.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Mal what website are you're reading?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: He's on Cleveland right?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 14: But now no, but he's a flat guy, He's not.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: He's kind of a gadget guy.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 19: And that also got a picture of him sitting in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 19: in uh Patriots studio signing like he said in the contract,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 19: I think you Aldred, have y'all seen it?
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  Speaker 9: I think I got got Yeah Smith.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: That's a I yeah, well you gotta watch out for that.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 20: Yeah yeah, but Paul, I agree with you, man.
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  Speaker 14: I tell you what, Evan, give a third of green
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 14: Bay and give me Christian Watson. I wanted him to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: about devil for the outsake.
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  Speaker 9: I have a all right, thanks, eld I think he's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: hurt again.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Willem.
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  Speaker 3: Tell him what's up? William. You haven't called in a while.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's been a while.
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  Speaker 2: I'm off to day.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 15: How you doing for it?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Good? Good?
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  Speaker 11: Okay?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 15: My question was not ain't so much even a question?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 15: Is something to take that Paul and Evan had talked about,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 15: which was if I'm saying his name right, you know
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 15: what I'm saying, right, Jeremiah Smith from O Higher State
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 15: and y'all said, I think Paul words quote basically was
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 15: can we get a receiver in a twenty twenty sixth
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 15: draft plan? I know twenty twenty seven is way out there,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 15: but I'm just saying, look, you got a dual thread quarterback.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 15: I don't know how long this rookie good? His deal is,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 15: but don't don't waste it. You know, when you had
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 15: Mack Jeneson on him on a rookie deal, you didn't
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 15: even really put nothing around him. But now you got
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 15: this guy, they just don't waste it, you know what
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 15: I mean? And Johnny and Smith regards to what you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 15: say about him, Evan, you know, he'd be perfect New England.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 15: And we've been waiting for a receiver like this man William.
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  Speaker 9: He's gonna be the first overall pick in the draft.
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  Speaker 6: We love Jeremiah and I don't give a damn.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 15: I'm giving up all my picks to get him.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well that's not going to get it.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 15: Back my left tackle. If I got my quarterback, my
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 15: left tackle, and whatever else we get this year, why not, Okay?
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  Speaker 9: I just that was the point we were just trying
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: to make. You know, Patriots are on a trajectory. Now
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: they're picking in the twenties in twenty twenty seven, like
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 9: you're I don't know how you're getting from twenty two
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: to one. Like that's that point.
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  Speaker 6: We generation absolute stud Okay.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 15: So why so while I was talking about getting joint
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 15: Tyson knowing you will be front and then you got
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 15: a Tree up.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: To go get him. No, I don't think you would. Yeah,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: Jordan Tyson's like projected right now to be like a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: mid first round pick, probably go somewhere in the teams.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: So you know, I mean, you're talking about the Patriots
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: make the playoffs, like trading up I don't know, five
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: to ten spots, you know for a guy like Jordan
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: Tyson from Arizona State. So like, we're not talking about
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: trade having to trade up into the top three of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: the draft to.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 15: Get him, right, I'm staying all that, and I really do.
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  Speaker 15: It's just that we've been claiming for this number one
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 15: for what for how long now? And we passed uff
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 15: On Like we could have had Hopkins in this but
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 15: in his uh, in his prime. We could have had
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 15: digged in this prime, even though we got him later.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: You know, we could.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 15: We missed up on dk Mack.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: You know, the list goes on and on.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 15: You know, we just missing out every time. But now
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 15: he comes this guy that's coming out twenty twenty seven,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 15: and yes, we're gonna be far, We're gonna be far
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 15: away from getting them. But I mean, what are you
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 15: going to do?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 15: Yep, I'm just saying you got this dual threat quarterback.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 11: He's on a rookie deal.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, get him some weapons, is what you're saying.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think anybody is disagreeing with that.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: I don't know how there's not a path to get Jeremiah's.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Not going to get Jeremiah Smith. I guess, yeah, continue
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: same old thing from the Patriots.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Would I would love to get Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: I mean maybe if they you know, commanders it and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: they have they go regress, I think that they can
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 9: get Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: That was that was a verb.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: Now I like it, but you also like the whole
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: premise of well, you have this young quarterback, and well
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: I pointed out that you can't get him in twenty six.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: So it's twenty seven. So now you've ostensibly paid Gonzales
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna have to pay May. So the whole
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: premise is kind of out of whack too. So now
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: you're going to do that and you're gonna trade god
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: knows what to move up to get to one from
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: the twenties if things go well, while.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: You're talking about three first round picks, right.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: And that's that's all I'm saying, like Jeremiah Smith, there's nobody,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: nobody who watches college football that wouldn't say that he's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: one of the best players in college football.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: It might have been the best player instge football last year. Yeah,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: I just when it comes to the receiver, I mean,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: if you're talking about May and his ricky contract and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: you're talking about paying a veteran receiver with the extra
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: cap space, you know, next off season going out and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: trading for aj Brown, trading for Jaylen Waddle who might
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: be more available in the off season than he is now,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: you know, doing something like that, which we're all for. Like,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: I just you're not getting Jeremiah Smith, Like I didn't.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: Let's let's again they have a very bad regression next
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: year and they end up, you know, missing the playoffs.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: Like I guess, maybe we can have that conversation, but
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: I think that there's a real chance in twenty twenty
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: seven he goes first overall. So I just don't know
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: how you're going to be able to pull that off.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Andrew in LA what's up, Andrew?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 11: Hey, what's up?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: Boys?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 11: I wanted to I don't know if this got brought
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 11: up earlier in the show.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 20: But I see a huge margin of error that we
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 20: didn't have the last few years with various quarterbacks that
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 20: were on our team. It kind of dates back to Brady,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 20: where we have this huge margin of era that we
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 20: can make all these mistakes and still come out with
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 20: a victory. I don't know if you guys have seen
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 20: this recently.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think we talked about it, like literally
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: during the game last week, where I remember leaning back
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: and saying to Paul, like, it's just different to feel like, oh,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: it's third and long, like there's still a chance. Like
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: last couple of years, it felt like you got the
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: third and six and it was like, oh boy, this
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: is gonna be a big ask on this one.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: In that regard, I would agree. I think if that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: game unfolded the other way around, I would like to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: have seen if they were able to win it, if
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: he had the first half that he had in the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: second and not the twenty one point you know, head
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: start that they had, I would have wondered. I would
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: have you know, Yeah, it was incredible.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: Their ability to gain first downs from long down and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 9: distance second and third down is one of the best
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 9: in the league and uncanny like third and thirteen first down,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: like they're you know, second and long first down, you
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 9: take a sack, second and long first down.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: It's that way almost almost all seasons two.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: It's not like one or two times.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's incredible how they've been able to do that.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: Thanks Andrew. Brian's in Delaware. Hey Brian, how you guys doing.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 19: I wanted to ask this, since Kayshawn Booty might be out,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 19: do you think Pop Douglas is going to have a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 19: bigger season coming into this Bucks game?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: No, I think it might be Kyle Williams. And that's
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: what Mike Rabel kind of said yesterday that you know,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: it was a Friday.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: Is Yesterday he said that Booty's day to day. We
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: should probably update that. Booty himself on one of these
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: media the kids. Sorry, he said, nothing to worry about,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: just a Grade one hamstring strain.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: What does that mean?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: That's the least said yesterday that he will be definitely
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: missing some practice time early in this week. So maybe
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: we'll see if he can get back out in the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: practice field Thursday or more likely maybe Friday. I'm kind of,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: as Fred likes to say, I'm not counting on him
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: for Sunday. Based on the way that Mike sounded, it's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: going to give Kyle Williams more of an opportunity. I
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: wouldn't expect him to be a big part of the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: passing games game.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: Maybe Booty would go, but we got a lot of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: football left and they're gonna need him, so I would
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: air on the side of caution with him.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 9: So there's three grades to hamstring injuries one, two, three.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 9: One is considered mild, three is considered severe. Based off
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: the report in Christian Gonzales had a Grade three hamstring
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 9: strain in training camp. That is a usually around a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: six week four to six week injury. UH grade one
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: ham string it can it can only be like a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: week or two that you know that they end up missing.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: But the tricky part about ham strings is that you
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: can make a hamstring worse. So if you come back
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 9: to quickly and then you play on a ify hamstring,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: then you can actually tearn a Grade one into a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: Grade three right awfully quickly, unlike other injuries.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: My opinion, only no one's told me this. I think
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: that's what happened to Christian Gonzalez, because if you remember.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: The initial to come back to.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: The initial report on Gonzalez was day to day, turned
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: out to be two months. Yeah, I think something like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Evan just described probably happened to Christian.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Camillo from Hartford.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: After the win over Cleveland, Drake May said, we haven't
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: been able to put together a full game, and honestly true,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: awards have never been mumbled over a Gatorade cooler.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Every week.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: It's like the team is playing whack a mole. The
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: offense pops up, the defense ducks special teams. Well, they're
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: the one friend who shows up late to the party
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: but still wants credit for being there the whole time.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: So what are you guys.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: Seeing that's keeping this team from stringing together a full
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: sixty minutes of complimentary football?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: Is it growing pains?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: A lack of discipline that makes you wonder if someone
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: skipped team meetings or did the football guys just forget
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: to send the memo about playing all three phases at
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: the same time.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: It's really hard to do.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, it's not like every other team in the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: NFL that are all put in sixteen minutes and you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: and you're right, it's a young team.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: But it's talent.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 7: But I Also you got to look at who the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: opponents are sometimes the other in a given game, you know,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: like for example, we play the Falcons this game. They
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: have a good pass defense and so that showed up,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: and other games you might play a team that doesn't,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: but they have with Mike.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: You know, like people are looking for something that's probably
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: not they're not prepared for yet.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: But they're good enough to play sixty minute games.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: But they're also like the game's over by the third quarter.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: And that's been a couple of times.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: So I'm just saying, like against the Titans against the Browns,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 9: like I.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: Would count those as sixty minute games.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: I think they played like.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: Miami. They're not good enough to just dominate these teams
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: for sixty minutes. Even though those teams aren't good, I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: don't think they're good enough to just say we're so
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: much better than these teams, we're gonna beat them. But
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: Cleveland and Tennessee, they would bet they would they were
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: good enough to do that too. They weren't good enough
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: to do that every game.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: I how many teams aren't like right now, and then
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: usually the teams that do it string it together at
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: the end, and then those are the teams that make
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl run.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's you're always shooting for it.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: I agree with you.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: It's a hard thing to do.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: It's a hard expectation to hold them against.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: I think the Patriots have played pretty consistently at a
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: pretty high level. But I think they're getting the most
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: out of what they have on a pretty consistent basis.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 9: I do think it's interesting though. You know, they're at
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 9: like twenty six a game right now, it's top ten
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 9: in the league. But they're right around the same scoring
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: every single week. Unless they get like a defensive touchdown,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 9: they score.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: In the low twenties every game. Yeah, I agree with
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: you one thousand percent.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 9: So to the emailer's point, I this is one of
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 9: those games against Atlanta that you would have liked to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 9: have seen them put together one more touchdown drive to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 9: get it to thirty one, thirty somewhere around there and
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 9: not would have really probably put this game away. They
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 9: only have eight points in the second half right now.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 9: I like to think they missed the extra point, so
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 9: it's not a tie game. Like I'd like to think
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 9: that Drake May he just takes them down the field
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: and wins the game. If it's twenty four to twenty four,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: but he didn't have to so it had opportunity to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 9: present itself. But it is true they kind of hover
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 9: right around those the mid twenties.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Sam and Charlotte.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 7: Congratulations to Fred for correctly predicting Park a Roma would
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: miss an extra point. Congratulations to the Falcons for missing
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: the extra point and losing the game to get a
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: higher draft pick because they knew they were not going
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: to the super Bowl. Oh, I don't think that's what happened.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's what happened. So a lot of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: a lot of emails, tons of emails.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: People are interesting.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe reads. So it's so, Freddy, I got a chance.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: I met a listener last night. You know, you met
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: a listener that the Northeastern bu basketball game. The play
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: by play guy for Nesson Gentleman named Alex Vaspoli came
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: up to me and said said hello, and said, I'm big,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: big pu fan.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: I listened all the time.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: He's got a one year old at home, so he
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: can't all he's participated in the show. He can't call
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: in and stuff, but uh yeah, he loves what we do.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: He listens to us all the time, faithful listener, Thank you. Unfortunately,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: the bad guy was.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: The game that you were at last night at Matthews. Yes,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: so do you have like a seat that your seat
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: and you go and everyone comes in.
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  Speaker 5: So there was a little of that last night. I'm
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: not gonna lie. And we haven't been we haven't been
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: to a game a lot, but my brother and I went.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: We we did not We did not go to a
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: single game last year, and people were.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Like people people know d'angelo's move.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: No, no, just kids don't want to go anymore and
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: get tied up with things you know now that the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: kids are in school, like there's just ye called rich,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: I said, you want to go and ended up being
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: a disaster because someone intentionally hit us with their car
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: on the way into the game last night. Seriously, I'm
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: not exaggerating. Someone intentionally hit us. Not the whole front
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: bumper of my brother's car off intentionally. Yes, he pulled
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: up beside him very angrily and slammed himself into the
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: side of my brother.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: This car, you're kidding, called assault brother? No, did you
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: call the police?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: I mean everything, and then he and then he took off.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 21: He had this vacant stare the first time. I told him,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 21: he's nodding, he's naught. You're like, let me spell it
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  Speaker 21: out for it, and he took it. He took off,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 21: and you got his plate and he took off. I
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 21: took a picture of his plate. My brother called nine
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 21: one one nice and they already got him. The police
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 21: have been in touch with my brother, so they got
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 21: the guy's insurance.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: You know who he is, Like, where's he from?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not not getting into that because we didn't
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: chase him down because of fear.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: No, I know the guy's are not.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: But yes, I didn't know.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: I didn't know what we're going to be looking at.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I asked Paul, if that had been
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: the Perlo brothers back in like eighties, nineties, we might
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: have had guys.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: So I'm not really exactly sure.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: We took a turn. We took a left onto mass
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: av and we we got over to the left because
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: it gets kind of congested in that area. It's by
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: the boss in Medical Center and Method one mile, you know,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: so there's a lot of activity down there, and we
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: tried to get over to the left because we're going straight.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: A lot of people are taking that right, a lot
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: of people are going into the hospital and whatnot, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the guy just beeps his horn
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: and then he speeds up, like we cut him off,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: And I don't think we did, but you know, I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: don't know. I wasn't driving. I was probably just not
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: really paying attention. My brother was driving, and he sped
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: up right next to us. My brother kind of hit
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: the brake a little bit, and the guy just barreled,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: and I mean he intentionally hit our car with his
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: He had a big black pickup truck, you know, full
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: will joe, you know, so he didn't care. And the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: whole front of my brother's SUV, the whole front bumper
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: and the grill gone.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: When we were driving back the other way, I said,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: slow down here when we're able to find a bumper.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: He was not amused.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 11: That sucks.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: But that's weird, that's wild.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: It was weird.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: And then we've got a little afraid, not gonna lie.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: We're like, I don't know what.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: This guy, this guy you're gonna carry or something.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we just kind of we we we waited
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: for the cop who was supposed to come, and then
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: we waited for like five minutes and people like coming
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: up to the car and my brother I ain't waiting
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: around him anymore. We went to the game.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Wow that's something. Yeah, well, let me know what happens.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: I want to who find out who this guy is?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Justice.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to be telling what the guy is.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie. Was it spooked me?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: It was kind of scared assaulted?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you know, magnum p I out there,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I speak car chase guys crashing his own
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: stinking car to like.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 9: He had a big pickup.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: Just I think my brother has a I mean, my
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: brother's SUV is not small.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe he recognized you and heard you on the radio.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Another listener and done like to show that one.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah it wasn't Andy Hart, was it?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 11: It was.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Boro?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: All right? I have an Andy Hart story for you.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: Off the air though, Oh off the air all right?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 11: Uh?
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  Speaker 7: Thor Door from Iceland rights in Happy Victory Tuesday from Iceland.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: I thought this game became unnecessarily close, and as was
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: said in the postgame show, the game should have been
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: closed out by halftime. But a win is a win,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: and we'll take it. I was wondering what type of
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: snowblowers are you working with. I live in a snow
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: area in Iceland and I'm looking to buying a snowblow.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: You've got to arrans. You gotta take Aarons, a R
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: I E N s now. I don't know if they're
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: sold in Europe, might be under a different name, but
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: Aarons is where you want to go. Let me tell
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: you I bought what you have. Yeah, I bought an
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: Aarons years ago when I lived in Rentham. I don't
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: have a garage or a shed big enough to put,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: you know, a big machine, so it's been sitting outside
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: for i'd say seven years. Still runs like a top,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: still runs covered up though I have a cover for it,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: but that doesn't do much.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 9: Are they a sponsor?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, I wouldn't.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: Absolutely a sponsor. And I'm not saying that I bought
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: Like I said, I bought this like seven years ago.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: And the guys calling it from Iceland too, and it's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: going to be a serious machine up there, I would assume.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about a snow I mean that's literally Iceland. Well,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: actually Greenland is more icy than Iceland. Did you know
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: that still Vikings thing.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, in fact, we know with a rightful lair to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: the throne.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Let's see somebody wants to talk about dead cap money.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think we want to go there.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 9: I'm more than happy to man's plain dead cat this guy.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: I'm pleased to report that at the Celtics game last night,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: I did not run backwards into Drake and Will like
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: I did to Ravees and r KK earlier this year
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 7: at the celt Unfortunately, they couldn't pull out a win,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: but it was great to see the two of them
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: locked into the game and court side from start to finish.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: That's true on both accounts.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: You weren't there.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 9: I was not at this one. Now I was watching
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 9: all right, good Drake Heights. Pretty disheartening.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: Back to the phones we go. Dan Is in Daytona.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 14: Hey Dan, any how's it going, guys?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 16: How you doing?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: Fred?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 12: Paul?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Hey? Alex?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 14: Hey, So I got a couple of tips for you
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: guys today.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 14: I try to call it on a Sunday when during
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 14: the post game, Well, I do want to agree with
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 14: you when you were talking about on Sunday you and Mike.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 14: I wasn't overly impressed.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: With the.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 14: How the defense played throughout the game. They were just
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 14: kind of wildly inconsistent. I felt, uh, I just felt
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 14: like they, well, I guess the whole team in general
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 14: kind of took a rest after the first half.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 15: But uh, I think what I.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 14: Think Mike was staying on Sunday, like some of the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 14: players like chased on him. He was looking like an
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 14: all pro. And then just towards the end of the game,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 14: they just died off. And that's kind of why I've
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 14: been for the I've been saying for the past month
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 14: that I've been calling in that they really need to
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 14: make a push for I mean, if they think this
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 14: year's they have potential to goal. I mean, I know
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 14: everyone's saying, oh they won't, they won't go deep in
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 14: the playoffs, but maybe they won't make the playoffs. But
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 14: I really think they just needed to bite the bullet.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 14: I'd hate to see them give up a first round
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 14: just because I would rather than wait and collect more
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 14: picks like they did this past draft, you know, moving
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 14: around the board and stacking up picks. So I like
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 14: them in one way to not give up a first round,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 14: but I really do want them to get a pass
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 14: rush of year just because you know, if any of
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 14: those guys goes down, we have no depth, we're essentially screwed.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 14: And then we're just kind of watching the playoffs like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 14: everybody else on our couch. So I would like them to,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 14: you know, the front office, I know, know, follow your guys,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 14: clown Elliot Wolf, but I don't know if his office
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 14: his guys will actually you know, pull a plug on it.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 14: But I would like to see them do that. And
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 14: then for the offense, I don't think there's too much
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 14: at this point that they could do. Maybe adding Breeze Hall,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 14: but I just really don't think that actually would happen,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 14: but i'd be I would probably be shocked if they did.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 14: I think that would be good if they did. Add that,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 14: you have another dynamic on the offense, and then you
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 14: add a good pass rusher on the defense. I think
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 14: that will help their chances. But I just see the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 14: Patriots kind of just patching it together and making it work.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 14: But I just don't want to see them, you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 14: sitting on their couch watching the postseason like everybody else.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks with call, Dan, need want to move,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: we want moves.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 9: I think pass rush depth is a fair concern I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 9: don't really know where this narrative is coming from that
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 9: their pass rush has been bad, So I think that
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 9: may that might be anecdotal, and I that's fair. Maybe
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: I just think like Vrabel's been somewhat curtic.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: People have been completing a lot of passage.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it just never like and I like, such
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: a this is not about near pressure, Like I am
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: sowing this right now, like you're right, like all the
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: numbers look good, and then I've watched all the games
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: and it's like, how many times recently did you feel
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: like a quarterback was uncomfortable?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: Like I'm saying that he agrees with me. On Sunday,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: I thought the defense played pretty well on Sunday, I
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: was disappointed in the eighty five yard touchdown drive. Now,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: in fairness, that also included a huge penalty that took
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: a third and ten away. It was a second and ten,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: it would have set up third and ten. It gave
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: him a first down and then two fourth down conversion.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: So it's not like they just let walk Yeah, but
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: it's not like they just let him walk down the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: field like it was a good drive by Atlanta. I'm
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm giving them credit for doing it otherwise.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: I thought the Patriots defense played pretty well on Sunday.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: You know, you can't fault them. Much like I always
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: take away the offensive points for the Patriots when they
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: take over inside the five yard line, I'm not going
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: to hang out on the defense, right when when you
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: know the Falcons take over in the six that's not
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: that's not the defense's fault, right. I mean, yeah, you'd
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: like to see the red zone defense be a little
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: bit better. They're last in the league, but I think
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: they played pretty well Sunday. The pressure I think has
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: been very sporadic. I know you're probably gonna point to
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: some numbers that that Mike is talking about. I don't
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: think they affect the quarterback that often. Sunday I thought
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: they did. I thought they got the ball out of Pennix's.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: Hands a couple of times, especially the second half.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 9: I just think that, you know, it's all it marries, right,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 9: Like you to have good pressure, you also need to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 9: have good coverage, and to have good coverage, you need
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 9: to have.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: Good pressure that's avable.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 9: So I like the pressures U there pressure rate, you know,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 9: their win rate like all of that is really really good.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 9: But you can't blame the defensive line for the fact
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 9: that there's open guys down the field to alleviate the pressure.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: But so the type of pressure that they're generating, especially
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: up the middle, it's perfect if you had that edge
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: guy because he'd be cleaning up that like crazy sure,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: and that pressure would he'd be having fifteen sacks a year.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: I guess, So I just I look at it a
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: little bit differently. I guess I think the issue that
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 9: they're having is that the ball is coming out too
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 9: quick because there's open guys, so and the ball's coming
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 9: out as quick as it is. I don't care who
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 9: you have rush in the passer like we saw this
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: with Brady for twenty years, Like when the ball's coming out, like,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: there's no way that that pressure that they're generating is
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: going to turn into sacks unless the coverage is making
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 9: the quarterback hold the ball. So you know, you look
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 9: at you know, the numbers like their eleventh in pressure rate,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 9: their top ten and time to pressure, their top ten
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 9: and win rate like they they're pressure they are winning
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 9: up front more times than not. What they're not doing
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 9: is you don't see the can consistent marriage of we
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 9: have tight coverage down the field that's making the quarterback
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: go through progressions and hold the football with the pressure
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 9: and marrying that up. So you could argue that you
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: could go out and get an edge rusher that can
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 9: clean up and take advantage of Barmore and Williams on
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 9: the inside, or you could argue that they need to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: cover better.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what we thought might happen with Keon
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: White this year, but it didn't. And you know, we're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: hoping Chase on you know, Chason has been pretty good.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: Landry's kind of fallen off a little bit.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: He might be a little banged up.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that no Lan since the no Onans
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: gave me, hasn't been the same guy.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's I think he's playing hard.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just I don't know. I think that this
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: is one that I'm gonna maybe just be on an
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 9: island on. I just when I watched them play, I
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 9: don't have concerns about them winning up front. They stopped
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 9: to run, they get off blocks, they get pressure on
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: the quarterback. You know, Penick's under pressure for forty five
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: percent of the time in this game. They just they
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 9: haven't covered particularly great. Yeah, And I think when you
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: don't cover, like these quarterbacks are good enough that they
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 9: can make throws under pressure.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think it's anything to do with a
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: new play caller? And maybe I don't know. I just
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: sometimes it feels like.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: First second down, there's a lot of easy throws, and
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: you know, to your point, like, I just I find
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: this fascinating, like everything you're saying, and you know, looking
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: at it myself, of you're right, like all the numbers
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: match up and it looks good sometimes. But you know,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: at the same time, I felt like some of these quarterbacks,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: young guys have established a rhythm and just felt comfortable
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: and haven't felt like you know, I just I don't.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. I think you're right.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez, by the way, that was just awesome to
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: watch that back him going against Drake London, back and
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: forth to really good players you want. You know, we're
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: talking a couple of years whether or not they should
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: resign Gunzale.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Some people might say.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: They won't, but like I think this game is a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: great example of this is why you need a guy
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: like Christian Gonzalez to at least make it competitive, but
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones just won Defensive Player of the Month, you know,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: so you have really two top of the line cornerbacks,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: and so we point to the line back.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: saying Evan's wrong or anything. I just there's so much
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: going on right now with this defense that I can't
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: exactly tell you if they're great or if they're very
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: flawed and can get exposed.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 9: I think the biggest thing with you know, that I
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 9: was encouraged about with this game, is this the first
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: time where I've really seen them dictate matchups defensively. Gonzales
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 9: shadowed Drake London for most of the game until he
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 9: got hurt, and then they also had some cool things
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: with Bijeon, like when Bijon flexed out, Marcus Jones was
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 9: covering Bijon and so they had Marcus Jones shadowing. He
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 9: had eight catches, but they were for like fifty yards. Yeah,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: it wasn't a lot of yardage. And so every time
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: Bijon flexed out out of the backfield as a receiver,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: he got Marcus Jones. So they haven't really been shadowing
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 9: receivers like that as much this year, and I think
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 9: the best man coverage defenses in particular do that to
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 9: manage the matchup so that you don't get stuck with
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 9: Christian Gonzalez covering their third receiver and now you know
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 9: Marcus Jones and Drake London, so like that's sort of
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: you know the goal there. So I thought that this happen.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 9: That happened a lot better. They did a lot better
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 9: in this game with Dad and you know, outside of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: the red zone, Pennix was one for seven against man
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 9: coverage in this game. The one was the bomb to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 9: London after Gonzales left the game. The twenty five yarder
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 9: towards the end of the game was on Carlton Davis.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 9: So I think they did a lot better at managing matchups.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 9: There was a lot more like low help and robber
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 9: help within the man coverage structures. So this was, to me,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 9: was a step in the right direction from a man
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 9: coverage standpoint, and now you just hope that they can
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 9: keep that going.
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  Speaker 7: Andrew in La says I hung up on him before
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: he was able to share this stat before Sunday. Teams
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: that forced six sacks, forced two takeaways through three passing
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 7: touchdowns committed zero turnovers were forty four and oh since
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: nineteen sixty four.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now they're forty four and one.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: How do I hate those?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great stat I think it was
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: thank you Andrew.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 9: If it was raining it was it a Monday night
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 9: or is it Sunday?
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: You know sons?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 11: Like is it?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: What did you think of Davis on that play?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Like he just kind of kept running like it was
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: kind of weird. I was like, where's he going?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean to his you know, defense, like his
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 9: extended player.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: No, it seemed like he thought the play was over.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: It was kind of like slowing down and was like,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, but yeah, it's late in the show. I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: want to be snarky Paul so bad?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: Well does you can be?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 11: So?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: The stat also include snapping the ball when they when
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: they when they're not ready, missing an extra point and
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter it happened, but that this is my point,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: is like you're only talking about good things that the
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: team I know, but they're not talking about them litany
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: of bad things that they did.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: They had forty four other chances to do that, and
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: we were the first team to do it. Yeah, forty five,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: I should say, hang the banner, Bart and Poland you
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: can be stocky about this one too.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 7: Sorry, Paul, But the play in the game wasn't an
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 7: OPI on Hollins on that last.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 6: Play, I don't think it was.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: The NFL rulebook says offensive pass and appearance rules apply
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: from the time the ball has snapped until the ball
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 7: is touched. Hollins makes contact with the defender at the
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: very same moment as Henry touches.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: I'm going to reiterate that I don't think that that
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: should be called offensive passing appearance. I said that Sunday
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: and I'll say it again today, so you will agree
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: with me. Bart.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 9: It was a very well executed play.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: I thought so.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: It was a bang bang, but it was very well executed.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: And Fred made the point of let's just say, for
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: argument's sake, Mac Collins isn't even there. The guy wasn't
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: anywhere close to agree hunter Henry.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 9: That was the other thing that I was going to
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 9: say that that.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: Was why I don't think it should even be considered
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: to be passing affairance. But I just said, the referee
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: can't take that into consideration.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: Now he gets the first down without the pick. He
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: gets seventeen yards because of the pick. Now it doesn't matter,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 9: you know, the yards doesn't really end up mattering. But
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 9: I thought it was a They ran a little differently
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: this time. They kind of ran it as like a
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: five step under instead of a slant, and that, like
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 9: a little bit of extra time made it legal. If
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 9: they ran it as a slant, that would have been
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 9: a pick.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: And I would just argue that I've seen that called
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: many times. I don't want it called. I hate the referees.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: That's why Brad Allen and his crewe got a special
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: list on the good List because he let them play. Yeah,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: that crew obviously lived up to their reputation of being
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: one of the least penalized, and I.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Didn't see any outrageous things that weren't called.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: No, the game somehow managed to unfold and anarchy didn't
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: ensue because they didn't call a penalty on every play.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: Scott wants to know, simply, where are the screens? Where
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 7: are the screens for the Patriots?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: They run some screens, they don't run them very well,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: say do you watch? Yeah, they tried a couple every week.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 9: They did run a good one down field screen, but
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 9: they ran when they got nineteen yards on their opening drive,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 9: they kind of put west over, they flexed west over out,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 9: and they ran a little swing pass to Henderson that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 9: essentially is a screen. It gets thrown.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: They tried another one to Henderson in the red zone
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: that got blown up for like a yard. They tried
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: another one that almost ended up in a pick six,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: and luckily Will Campbell was bothering Jalen Walker in mouth.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 9: See I didn't like that throw.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh, that was a terrible throw. That was one
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: of the shaky Drake throws.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't make that, Tim, and Boston writes in
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: he says, I'm okay with some of the sacks when
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: the first few reads aren't there. Drake often tries to
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: go straight through the middle of the lineup field, and
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 7: he's taking quite a few sacks where he gets caught
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: from behind and falls forward for a loss of a
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: few yards. I'm okay with this particular type of sack
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: because when they don't catch him, he can usually turn
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: it into a first down run. The sacks where he
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: holds it for too long or a problem, and I'd
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: rather see him throw it away or try to run.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know. I've already said my piece on
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: the sacks. I want to see him play quarterback.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like in general, I like to throw away.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: That's what was most exciting about, you know, a few
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: games ago, when it really felt like it was all
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: clicking and he was making through the progressions and he
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: wasn't so quick to bail and you know, that to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: me was the biggest positive sign.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Hopefully he came back to it.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: If it's third down and you got to make a play,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: and you try to make a play and you get sacked, okay,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: first down, just throw it away. Yeah, I don't need
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: you to take out unnecessary hits to set up second
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: and twelve.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: Is this one of those things too, where it's because
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: Drake knows he's athletic, it's harder for him to do
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: the Brady thing where it's like, oh, this is dead,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: I'm just dropping.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: He keeps saying that.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: Now, he keeps saying, I have to remember that this
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: is the NFL and I can't outrun all of these
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: guys like I did in college. He has said that
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: several times over the last same month, some some like
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: variation of that.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: If there weren't open receivers, like I wouldn't be as
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 9: harsh on him about it, Like there's just too much
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 9: the tape is a tape, Like there's just guys open
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: that he's passing up to try to run.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: Joe and Michigan.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: On this point, May not seeing a wide open receiver
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: is way too critical in my opinion. On any given play,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: quarterback will not see all there is to see, especially
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: one who knows his O line can hold up for
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: only so long. Patriots oline is too porous in spots
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: to give May and McDaniels any other option than get
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: the ball rid of the ball quickly. When in the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 7: rare occasion this kid has a good pocket, he simply
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: does not miss I just like.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, but like like I'm not asking him to
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 9: go through to the fifth read in the progression, Like
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: if you have one to two, I can't ask him
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 9: to go one to two. Like is he in high school?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 9: Like we're talking about an NFL quarterback, Like if we're
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 9: not talking about they take.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: Long like nine.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy way over here, he's.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 9: Won right right, Like we're not we're not talking about
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: the Madden thing where it's like press B, press B, No,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 9: like we're talking about progressions and quarterbacks going through progressions.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: Like I understand that we can't like ever come at
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 9: Drake at for anything, but it's just like I want
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 9: to see him, you know, get better at these types
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 9: of things. And I just think that for the large
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 9: part of the last two or three games at least,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 9: that we keep talking about the same thing.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the bottom line for me. And I said
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: it on our show. He took thirty four sacks last
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: year and whatever it was nine games. He's there in
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: thirteen games, he's taken thirty four sacks already. So it's
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: just he's getting hit too much, like and whatever it
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: is going through progressions or you know, knowing when to
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: just hit the turf and live to fight another day.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Those are things to preserve him over the course of,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: you know, an entire seventeen game plus playoff season.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 9: Like I'm not gonna win. The crossing routes wide open
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 9: right in front of him and he passes it up
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: and takes a sack Like that's I'm sorry, I'm not
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 9: gonna say. You know, Oh, well, there's a million things
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 9: going yeah, Like it's the NFL quarterback play, Like there's
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 9: the muddy pocket. It's things they're moving. Fact that stood
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 9: out to.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: Me about the Digs thing was like, you know, we
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: were watching it and it was like you could just
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: tell pre snap like yeah, dis is just gonna run
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: a little slant. He's gonna be wide open right here,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: and you know it's like and then he takes a
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: sack and you're like, damn.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: It was there like even we you know, I know
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: where yeah.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Uh, someone thinks Matt Judan would be perfect for what
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: we need.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 9: Maybe three years ago.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean, I just this,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's different.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: Let's see Paul in the colony.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: Please tell Paul and his brother to stop saying that
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 7: guy intentionally struck their suv. Intentional acts of violence are
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: not covered by insurance. Random acts of stupidity are.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: It is being covered by insurance. And it was intentional.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: And the cop informed my brother that saying that he could.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: File charges.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 9: That's right, it's a salt.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now we're not going to do that.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: I had already told you fear, don't.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Be afraid, Paul sue.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Everybody'll sue you. Do you own a piece he drove
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: his do you think the answer to that is, I
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: don't know. What do you think the odds are of
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: me peeing myself if I held a piece or just
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: not holding a piece.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: I'm a lover, not a fighter. I leave that to
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: my son.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: But Rich was like, open the glove compartment.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: I'm driving, Rich, what is this?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Rich?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: We're going after this guy?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 9: I've seen you angry before.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: I've been in a fight since like the third grade. Wow,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: probably high school.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 9: I heard one of the old Patriot fight away.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: That's true, But I don't think the other guy thought
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: we were fighting.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: He was too drunk.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: Is that the story is?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 21: Not?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: My brother told me, but my brother was.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: That's the comment. The common Denominator and all of these
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: Rich's present. Don't punch up. You're fighting against gravity pulling
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: down and will punch.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 6: Down on it.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: Brother, brother, That's what they taught Anakin. Always take the
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: high point in a fight.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: I mean Toddham is putting it lightly.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 9: I have the high ground.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: You learned that lesson by losing his legs.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 9: That's right.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: That one Boston fans says positives. We played the Jets
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 7: twice without sauce. Now negatives. The Jets have two first
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: round picks to build upon positive.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: It's the Jets.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 11: The Jets.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: You guys saw they got ad Mitchell two first.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so nothing get rid of h. Wilson, all right,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: that I didn't see that. Sorry, Mark, we'll go right
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 7: to you now. Mark's in Connecticut.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, Oh, thanks for taking my call.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 19: I don't know if you guys talked about this earlier,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 19: but what a joke of the Atlanta Falcons accusing us
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 19: of clapping during the last snap. I mean, I've looked
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 19: at display, Evan. I've looked at display several several times,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 19: and I have not seen anybody on the Defense clap.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 19: And I just wanted to get your guys' take. Did
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 19: you guys see anybody clapp.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, Jayalen Hawkins clap, but he was clapping at
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: Davis to get his attention. And Evan, I think if
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 7: you rewind the show, or if you didn't catch it, Mark,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: earlier in the show, Evan explained it. I think you know,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: he doesn't know for a fact one hundred percent, but
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: I think what he says makes perfect sense as to
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: what transpired.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: And that's why everybody moved except for the right guard.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: And that's why Raheem Morris backtracked because he probably watched
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: the same thing and said, that's ridiculous. There's no reason
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: why you would snap the ball because of that clapping, right.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: I think that's why the coach Rahie Morris.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: Was just being told by his players. He repeated it
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: after further review. Like Paul said, he backtracked.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: That wouldn't be surprised if he actually called.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: Mark, I agree with you.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: They're all against it us. Everybody hates us, the networks,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: the other teams. They don't want us to be back.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: That's why they're not doing a deal with us today.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: No one wants to help us.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: But don't worry about this one. Don't worry about this one.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 14: You know, she's upset, she's all but hurt.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's you.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 9: Don't be upset about this, right, Mark, good last call?
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: I love it all right.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: That's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 7: We'll be back tomorrow at noon. Catch twenty two tomorrow
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: at ten. Yes, Barth okay, Barth's okay.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: Is he thinking about Super Bowl yet and whether or
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: not he'll be able to go down, he's over to
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 7: Santa Clara.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 9: He's he's more sad about Panix, I would say, because
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 9: that's right now he's all in on Penis. But no,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 9: he's he's good, he's doing great. Okay, very busy.
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