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What Will the 24th Pick Mean for the Future? | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, April 18 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drivetime with Chad osher Oski Stevis and Brian.
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  Speaker 2: Sexty Sex twelve. Jaggs Drivetime starts right now. Good morning,
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  Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday two. You welcome the TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Sexton with you for the beginning of Jaggs Drive Time.
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  Speaker 2: So let's jump right into a ten days out from
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  Speaker 2: the draft, let's get to big things. And number one,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing to do with the draft. It's here we go, Jags.
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  Speaker 2: They're all back, the players, well not all of them,
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  Speaker 2: but the players are back. All the teams are back
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  Speaker 2: into the off season routine, which means that everybody, all
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  Speaker 2: thirty two are now functioning and working towards the start
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  Speaker 2: of OTA's A training camp in July. It starts right
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  Speaker 2: now in April. Big thing two is the countdown to
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City. As I mentioned, we are ten days away
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  Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, and we'll have coverage throughout the week.
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  Speaker 2: Next week I'll be in Kansas City, and of course
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  Speaker 2: we'll have a huge Wednesday and Thursday for you, and
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  Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday as we get you said, for what
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  Speaker 2: the Dragons are going to do picking in the bottom
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  Speaker 2: third of the first round for the first time since
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. And finally, Big Thing three is a big welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Take Kahannie Stevens, who joins us as the new member
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  Speaker 2: of our broadcast team, and it's why we started the
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  Speaker 2: show show we could unveil her officially right now to you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. I'm obviously this
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  Speaker 3: has been a couple of weeks in the making, since
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  Speaker 3: I knew it was going to come here, and to
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  Speaker 3: come back when all the players are coming back today.
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  Speaker 2: Timing is good.
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  Speaker 3: It's good timing.
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  Speaker 2: Give everybody a little sense of your background. This is
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  Speaker 2: not your first foray into the.
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  Speaker 3: NFL, my first foray. So I'm from New England. Originally
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  Speaker 3: I covered the Patriots for quite some time. Actually, Doug
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  Speaker 3: Peterson personally ruined the only Super Bowl I got to
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  Speaker 3: go to. So I'll hopefully now that we're on the
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  Speaker 3: same team, we can have success.
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  Speaker 2: It'll work on a cutter that way.
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  Speaker 3: Playoffs, yes, but I haven't covered the NFL for a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years, so I'm really excited to get back
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  Speaker 3: to it. Obviously, the Jaguars are in a great place
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  Speaker 3: right now and from an outside perspective, you guys look
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  Speaker 3: like you have all the pieces put together, so it's
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  Speaker 3: exciting to see and now be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of all together, the guy too you were
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  Speaker 2: left over there is you know, generally has his stuff
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  Speaker 2: together on a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Morning, does I don't know about that? John Oser, which
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  Speaker 1: centerver Get introduced.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, John Oser, Hello, hi's day.
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  Speaker 1: I understand, ye, welcome and I look forward to this,
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  Speaker 1: really did.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go back to the top of the show,
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  Speaker 2: and that is the players. You're back, And even though
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  Speaker 2: this is just them working out, it does also mean
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  Speaker 2: that they can meet with coaches, and for the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of months, you know, we've kind of gotten used
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  Speaker 2: to that. By the way, I remember the first year
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  Speaker 2: that the new collective bargaining Agreement was in place and
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  Speaker 2: coaches couldn't talk to players in the offseason. I mean
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  Speaker 2: thinking seeing, hello, how's your family, But they couldn't talk
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  Speaker 2: about football. So as much as this is about the
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  Speaker 2: physical side of getting ready, there's also a mental side
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think this week it's not a story
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  Speaker 1: that we'll hear much about. I think players are going
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  Speaker 1: to talk on Wednesday, so a little bit about it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not something we see and we won't see
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  Speaker 1: them on the field. But this week I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be very interesting for the players coming back
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  Speaker 1: because Trevor, Lawrence, Travis, CTN, the receivers, we'll see for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, what press Taylor, Doug Peterson, the offensive
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  Speaker 1: coaches specifically, I'm talking they've gone back and they've gone
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  Speaker 1: over last season, what they think worked, what didn't. I
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  Speaker 1: expect a much more streamlined offense. They have talked about
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  Speaker 1: trying to tailor things to what.
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  Speaker 2: They do well. It's really hard to do.
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  Speaker 1: That during the season in real time when it's going on.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think the offense is going to change,
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  Speaker 1: but I think these players are going to see their
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  Speaker 1: first hint of how they're gonna get to that second
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  Speaker 1: year jump we're all talking about. I think they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be excited coming out of these meetings this week.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure all of it interests you being here now
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  Speaker 2: day two, but the story that most folks are interested
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  Speaker 2: in is the addition of Calvin Ridley, this big receiver
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  Speaker 2: which we haven't had a rounders Jimmy Smith two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and five you've had this kind of a guy receivers
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  Speaker 2: such a sexy position too. I mean, everybody wants that guy. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: it seems the Jaguars have it, and you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Had such a great offense last year just with the
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  Speaker 3: free agent signings, and now to have Kevin Redley in
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  Speaker 3: the mix, that's gonna be exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the guy I think, with no disrespect
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  Speaker 2: intended towards anyone who was here, he's the piece John
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  Speaker 2: that opens unlocks a lot of other options, other scheme, routes,
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  Speaker 2: combinations for Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they improved so much last offseason, I'm getting questions
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  Speaker 1: this week about well, how much better can they get.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get better based on the continuity
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  Speaker 1: we discussed and based on the streamlining I talked about,
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  Speaker 1: and then as the season goes on, I think you'll
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  Speaker 1: see them get better and better. In terms of how
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna use Calvin Redley. I think you'll see the
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  Speaker 1: first hints of that, or they will in the meetings
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  Speaker 1: this week, But realistically, with Calvin, it's gonna take okay
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  Speaker 1: getting on the field and OTAs seeing what he does
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  Speaker 1: as well, and then even in the next season, I
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  Speaker 1: think you'll see for him a transition somewhat like we
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  Speaker 1: saw for the whole offense in the first eight games
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  Speaker 1: last year. I think it's going to take time for
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  Speaker 1: them to figure out exactly how he's gonna help. But
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  Speaker 1: where he's definitely gonna help from the immediate is taking
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  Speaker 1: pressure off Christian Kirk, taking pressure off ISAIH.
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  Speaker 2: Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Guys like that I think will be better just because
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  Speaker 1: of his presence. One thing that I don't think is
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  Speaker 1: a big story Brian is the absence of Evan Ingram.
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  Speaker 1: He's not here because he hasn't signed his franchise tag
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  Speaker 1: tender yet. Somebody tweeted a couple of days ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was really insightful. Players who don't come
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  Speaker 1: up I get his representations to him, don't be there
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  Speaker 1: for the offseason program. That is such a story that
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  Speaker 1: is forgotten the day that he gets signed. For a
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  Speaker 1: veteran like that, Ingram will be fine not showing up.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's got to do what he's got to do.
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  Speaker 1: I know Evan, deep down in his gut, though, can't
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  Speaker 1: to get here. I don't expect animosity on this thing
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  Speaker 1: once it plays out.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he was a guy last year when he arrived, Kay,
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  Speaker 2: that was so grateful to find a place where he
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  Speaker 2: felt like he fit right, A kid from Atlanta that
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  Speaker 2: went to Old miss that ends up in New York
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  Speaker 2: and of course the great scrutiny in New York. He
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  Speaker 2: could just be himself here, and of course himself last
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  Speaker 2: year was the best year of his career. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not really all that concerned about it. And we didn't
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  Speaker 2: we find out last year when Doug was really downplaying
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  Speaker 2: the offseason program member he canceled mini camp in June,
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  Speaker 2: just had a couple of days when.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately became my favorite coach in Jars hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Let me change up to just slightly the draft. Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: are picking in the bottom third of the draft for
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  Speaker 2: the first time since twenty eighteen. So the question is
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  Speaker 2: how interested in it? Have you been?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a year where it first start. Well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, the Daguars finally go into the end
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  Speaker 2: of January, so now February immediately picks up with the
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  Speaker 2: new calendar year getting ready and free agency and the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars cleaning things up with their cap So here we are,
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  Speaker 2: of a suddenly on the draft, just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the draft is here. I think it'll be very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, cut you off, guy, I think it'll be
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  Speaker 1: very interesting once they pick the players. And what I
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  Speaker 1: mean by that is, to me, frankly, it's not very
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  Speaker 1: interesting leading up to it because it's so much darts
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  Speaker 1: to a board that you can analyze fifteen different players
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  Speaker 1: and really it may not be one of those players.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting for me to try to figure out
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  Speaker 1: positionally what they might do. I think there's one of
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  Speaker 1: four positions they might go with a cornerback, tight end,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line. Well, now you're talking about it's
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  Speaker 1: a good chunk of the position groups that exists.
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  Speaker 2: So again, it's a darts at a board thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think once they do it, the player will become
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  Speaker 1: very interesting the pre draft lead up, which you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've become less interested over time just because the players
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  Speaker 1: once they get here become very interesting. But it's so
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  Speaker 1: hard to predict. But when you're picking twenty four, it
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  Speaker 1: started aboard until it happens.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that happened during COVID,
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  Speaker 2: and it started happening before that. You didn't get as
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  Speaker 2: many players going to the side of the draft. All
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, they were having their own draft parties.
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  Speaker 2: There's only seventeen guys who are going to be in
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City. I mean that's a really small number because
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  Speaker 2: most guys are at home, they're with their agents. That's
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  Speaker 2: what this has become. It's become their own show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you guys are in a fortunate position now because
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  Speaker 3: the team is not getting lottery picks anymore. Right, the
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  Speaker 3: team is good. So these are bread and butter guys
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  Speaker 3: that you'll build, But these aren't necessarily immedia impact players
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  Speaker 3: right when we're drafting at twenty four and looking at
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  Speaker 3: the second round. So I feel like it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be interesting to see how Trent Falk kind of works
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  Speaker 3: these players in. It's a little bit of a different
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  Speaker 3: position than they've been in in a while, and you
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  Speaker 3: can get a lot of quality there, but it's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit different than compared to drafting and Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 3: or you know something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she hit on something that's very important to realize.
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  Speaker 1: Top ten picks and late first round pick are not
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  Speaker 1: created equal in terms of expecting them to be absolute.
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  Speaker 1: Can't miss of the immediate impact. I think all first
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  Speaker 1: round picks. The expectations should be tempered until year two.
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  Speaker 1: We don't do that anymore. I just look at Trevor
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence as a rookie, much different player in his second year.
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  Speaker 1: Takes time in this lead to develop, especially in the
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  Speaker 1: bottom fourth of the first round.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for big things. When we
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  Speaker 2: come back, we'll conclude our three week series looking at
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  Speaker 2: key positional groups but the Draguars could address in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: We've already covered the defensive backs and the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll tackle tight ends. Your own drags,
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  Speaker 2: Drive time and welcome back Brian Sexton to John Osier.
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  Speaker 2: With you now as we continue looking at the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Draft, which is ten days from now
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  Speaker 2: in Kansas City, and of course live coverage from here
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  Speaker 2: and there to walk you through the Jaguars as they
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  Speaker 2: add selections over the course of three days. Let's take
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  Speaker 2: a look at the tight end group, and right out
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  Speaker 2: of the gate, John, this is as good a tight
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  Speaker 2: end group as I think we've seen, because I can
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  Speaker 2: remember in thirty years of covering the NFL Draft, you've
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  Speaker 2: got two or three names here, guys who could be
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  Speaker 2: first round picks guys like Michael Mayer, Dalton Kincaid, Sam Laporta,
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  Speaker 2: even Luke Musgrave, the guy from Oregon State is getting
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  Speaker 2: some mention at the bottom of the first round. This
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  Speaker 2: is a really rich group of tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can make the argument that it's
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  Speaker 1: the best tight end class ever. And when I say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of silly to say, well, it's
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  Speaker 1: the best class ever in the history of the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: except for the fact that the position has changed so
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  Speaker 1: much and becomes so important that the league is so
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  Speaker 1: different in how they utilize this position over the last
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  Speaker 1: you know, five, ten, fifteen years, whatever it is, it's
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  Speaker 1: certainly the best class in recent memory, which means for
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  Speaker 1: the way you play football now, it's the best tight
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  Speaker 1: end class that's pertinent to how they play the game.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder with the Jaguars, it's been a strange position
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and I've gotten emails for years about, well,
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  Speaker 1: why don't they have a tight end? Why haven't they
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  Speaker 1: been able to saw the tight end position? And it's
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  Speaker 1: always been a position where in the draft it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of a no man's land position. And when I say that,
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  Speaker 1: teams want it and then once they're on the clock
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  Speaker 1: to pick it in the first round, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times they're like, well, I want to go find this
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  Speaker 1: other position that I value a little more. And if
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  Speaker 1: you think about the Jaguars did it in nineteen Hockinson,
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  Speaker 1: they were taking them and then Josh Allen pass rusher,
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  Speaker 1: ooh oh, we really need that. And you get the
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  Speaker 1: feeling that they did that a lot over the years,
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  Speaker 1: knowing they need a tight end, but.
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  Speaker 2: You also need this over here too. So tight end.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of gets pushed well, and I can remember it
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  Speaker 1: and it might happen again this year.
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  Speaker 2: I remember a conversation with Tom Coughlin back in twenty
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  Speaker 2: nineteen about tight ends. They had done a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work on that tight ends group, Hockinson and the history
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  Speaker 2: of drafting tight ends in the first round, And in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of cases, you find that it takes, not
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  Speaker 2: unlike some other positions time for these guys to make
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  Speaker 2: the transition into the NFL where they're asked to block
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  Speaker 2: right where they're asked to actually help the offensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: with some of these speed rushers. And you look at
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  Speaker 2: Howkinson Detroit traded into Minneapolis right same soda. This is
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years this kid and Noah Fant was
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  Speaker 2: traded by the way, the other Iowa from that year
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  Speaker 2: traded to Seattle, and he was finally emerging as a
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  Speaker 2: playmaker at tight end.
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  Speaker 1: It takes time and that speaks to the difficulty of
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  Speaker 1: finding the spot. And there's no these guys play out.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure GM's are looking at it with this
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  Speaker 1: in mind. The best Kelsey Kittle third and fifth round
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  Speaker 1: picks the kid from Oakland, I mean not Oakland, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about Waller, He's not in New York, right,
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  Speaker 1: have not been the you know, there have been guys
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  Speaker 1: who've been designated this is the can't miss first round
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  Speaker 1: tight end. Those guys haven't always gone on to be
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  Speaker 1: the elite guys. So it speaks to how everybody always
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  Speaker 1: asks why haven't the jed Wars been able to fix
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  Speaker 1: their tight end spot. Nevian Ingram, you know, was a
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  Speaker 1: free agent. I think they've got to fix with him.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a hard position to find. And I think
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  Speaker 1: when you're looking at the five tight ends or six
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  Speaker 1: tight ends, or there are people who think eight or
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  Speaker 1: nine could be picked in the first three rounds.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: It will be a little bit of a he'p using
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  Speaker 1: the word crap. Shoot, it will be fascinating to me
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  Speaker 1: to see how these guys all play out. Because the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are picked in the first round, odds tell
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  Speaker 1: you that only won two of those out of four
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be big time players. It's a hard position
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  Speaker 1: to fine.
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  Speaker 2: So we were watching Michael Mayer there on the screen
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  Speaker 2: and he's you know, he's straight out of central casting
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  Speaker 2: as a tight end. Right Cincinnati kid goes to Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame six four, two fifty. You know, great hands, can
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  Speaker 2: run all the routes. Not necessarily the greatest athlete, though
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  Speaker 2: he's a very good athlete. He's the guy that most
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  Speaker 2: people look at and say, that's the first tight end
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  Speaker 2: off the board. However, the kid from Utah, Dalton Kincaid,
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  Speaker 2: is a dynamic athlete with elite ball skills who, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, put up huge numbers against
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  Speaker 2: USC in a big game last year. Sixteen catches in
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty four yards. He's, you know, second
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  Speaker 2: only to Brock Bauers among receiving tight ends in college
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  Speaker 2: football last year. Then there's a kid at Iowa named
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  Speaker 2: Sam Laporta and Laporta. By the way, Iowa has become
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  Speaker 2: tight end. You George Kittle, Noah fant TJ. Howkinson, and
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  Speaker 2: this guy is the first of all those tight ends
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  Speaker 2: to lead IOWA in receptions and yardage in back to
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  Speaker 2: back years. Now, again, he's not the elite athlete, but
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  Speaker 2: they compare him in the way that he plays the game.
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  Speaker 2: Call him an elite competitor, a lot like George Kittle,
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  Speaker 2: Darnell Washington, the big kid that we all saw playing
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  Speaker 2: in the Southeastern Conference at the University of Georgia. Do
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  Speaker 2: I need to saying, look how big the guy is,
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  Speaker 2: right six seven two sixty five. Was a dynamic athlete
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  Speaker 2: in college. Doesn't necessarily project to that same suddenness in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean you're looking for a guy at
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  Speaker 2: the markers, that third down guy, or that red zone guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot to like right there.
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  Speaker 1: More of a run blocker right now because of the size. Again,
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  Speaker 1: the hard part is it has become such a position
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  Speaker 1: where you know, look at the Juars, your man Hurts
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  Speaker 1: was the run blocker, and Ingram was much better run
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  Speaker 1: blocking than they I think they expected, and he developed there.
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  Speaker 1: But really a pass blocking tight end. The The challenge
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  Speaker 1: is always finding the guys who do both, and I've
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  Speaker 1: always thought for the last ten to fifteen years, it's
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  Speaker 1: almost unfair to try to find the guy that can
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  Speaker 1: that can do both, you know, the Kellen Winslow back
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  Speaker 1: in the day. Now you almost have to consider it
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: two different positions. There's there's the run blocking tight end
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and then there's the pass catching tight end. Remember Shannon Sharp, sure,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: but he was a wide receiver who happened to line
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: up right next to the tackle a lot. Dallas Clark,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: who I covered Indianapolis was was much the same way.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Dallas was an Oka blocker. He'd get in your way,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: but he was an outstanding, moved tight end. I personally
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: think that this is going to be another year where
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars look at in a different direction in the
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: first round. To me, numbers wise, it makes sense to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: wait second and third round for this position this year.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any question if you look
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: at their numbers on this team. If I'm betting, I'm
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: thinking they're going in the first two days on tight end.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Well, and the numbers you speak of, there's only two
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: tight ends who saw the field at all last year.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And then Garrett Prince's the third who was on the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: practice squad, So you're talking about evidence they like a lot.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: By the way, so late in the year there were
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of conversations about what his upside was.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've still you a g Alabama, Birmingham, Evan Ingram,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Luke Ferrell, Luke Ferrell and Prince, and really the.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Only accomplished one is right.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So it's hard to imagine. You never know what the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: draft because if things break, then things happened differently on
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: those first three days. But I've just got to believe
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: in the first three days they're going to this position.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Somewhere. There's a young man the last name of Kraft,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: forget whether it's Tyler or Tucker at South Dakota State
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: who stayed even though Alabama was recruiting him out of
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal and offering a big six figure nil deal.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And he's again a six foot five, two hundred and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: fifty pound athlete. And Dallas Goddard, I mean his South
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Dakota State guy who's really good in the NFL. So
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: he might be a guy available at the bottom of
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the second round. We'll wait and see. That's a look
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: at the tight end position. When we come back, we
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• 19:08
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Here we go look inside the ozone mail bag, get
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the type of emails that John is getting, and we
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: with some of them right, some of them could never
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: be shown, all right. From Pontipeter Beach, Should I be
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: concerned that Evan Ingram hasn't signed the franchise offer yet?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: No, it's first of all, they have until July fifteenth
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: from the sign it, get a deal done, the whole thing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind he plays. I'm not
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: privy to the conversations on what the agent wants, what
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the player wants. I believe they're trying to get a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: long term deal done. I also believe they've still got
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to be smart on these things around here. So if
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you remember Brian camer Robinson last year was a franchise
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: tagged player who signed with the team in May. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: mean sign as long term deal in May. People get
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: upset at these things because they see on social media, well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: he's not showing up, he's not gonna be there for
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the off season program. This is the machinations of an
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: off season where one side's trying to get a deal
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: an the other side's trying to get a better deal.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: How about a little context. Yesterday Jalen Hurts signed a deal.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: It's going to pay him an average of fifty one
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a year, right, and so if you have a quarterback,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you've got to start planning strategically. Now. You can't just
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: gratuitously throw the money out like this franchise has been
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: able to do. Let's be honest, for more than a decade.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: As much as mister Kahan was willing to spend, they
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: could spend right right, they can't really do that right
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: now because of that looming contract that's coming. So for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: them being smart about Evan Ingram is in part being
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: smart about Trevor Lawrence next year and perhaps a couple
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of other players that they want to get done to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: longer term deals.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And look, as much as you want Evan on a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: long term deal, and I believe they want that to happen,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: having him play on the TAG. This is a player
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: who had his best year last year. Having him play
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on the TAG and have another great year would not
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: be a terribly dumb thing. Although I don't think that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: their goal, but if that's the way it would play out,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. And the main reason I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: say that is this, there are some players who you
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: would who you would be concerned attitude wise and why
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy on the tag.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not him.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram did this last year. He played on a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: one year deal and there were questions about that asked early,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: sort of hanging over the head. Never did you feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like it affected anything. So I don't think they have
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: anything to worry about in terms of what they'll get
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: from him and how he's gonna fit. He's a fit here.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I haven't talked to him since he left right at
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the end of last season, so what's that two months?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Three months? But he's a total pro and one of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: those guys who's completely comfortable, very happy here, very happy
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: with the coach and with the quarterback. I'm like John,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I would expect something to get done, all right, built
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Pontipeter Beach as well. The Jacks have gone from being
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: short of decent players at most positions to being a
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: couple of impact players from being very good. Does this
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: mean they should trade up in the first round, sacrificing
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: depth for a difference maker?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And these are so tough to answer because it
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: trading up trading back always depends on two things. You know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you don't do it till you're on the clock because
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you've got a list of players that you like who
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you might be willing to do that for. But you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you don't know if they're going to be there until
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: pick seventeen rolls around or sixteen rolls around, and then
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: what's your relationship with that team?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So could they do this?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Sure, But I don't believe that their attitude toward doing
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this changes based on their record last year, or you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: hope not, because you don't want to have the general
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: manager and team saying, Okay, we're all in on right now,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: so we're going to push our chips to the table
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to get a rookie who's going to push us over
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the top in twenty twenty three, at the expense of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: building this franchise for twenty three through thirty three, So
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think the attitude toward this change is based
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: on their expectations for this year. I think Tran balk
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is a long term general manager who looks at the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: big picture. If he's sitting there at twenty four and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: at pick nineteen, somebody comes up who he thinks is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a this is guy is going to help.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Us a key position.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: You're not going to do that for a tight end.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, unless it's a player he thinks it's special.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But again, I don't think there's any more chance that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he would do that this year than there was last
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: year when he did it with Devin Lloyd. So I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: don't think the question was because of their position.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Would they change that? I don't think so. I agree
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: with you on Matt. Finally, JP from the Vortex and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the way back is, can you please explain why you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: keep saying offensive line, cornerback or tight end for our
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: first pick like you've already done that?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Because why not? I mean, it's I think that's where
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: value and position and whatever needs there happen to be.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And you can say best available player all you want,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and Trent Balky's a big best available player guy. He
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: proved with Chad Mumma last year. But needs still factors
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit into that. They're not going to take
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round, for example. Sure, so
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: there's some level of need mixed in. It feels like
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that could be an area where they go. I haven't
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: talked past rusher as much, and this is what the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: question was sort of based on. I haven't talked past
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: rusher as much because my experience is pass rusher at
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: twenty four can be a little tricky trying to get
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: production out of that that first year. That doesn't mean
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen, right, I've just discussed the other
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: positions more because to me, tight end, corner and offensive
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: line where you see the mocked players sort of lines
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: up there. Now that being said, in recent weeks you
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: see more and more edge rushers mentioned around that area.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: But how much of that is simply that desire to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: have those players mentioned? Right? I mean we manufacture a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: lot of times where a guy belongs because we say, well,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: pass rusher is really important, or quarterback is really imps.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: A pre draft is is that's manufactured, And so you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: see guys.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Will McDonald's a guy right from Iowa State whose name,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, has started creeping up the board.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, Tyree Wilson is climbing. The
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: kid from Texas Tech. He's right there with Will Anderson,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: depending on who you listen to. And then Nolan's there's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a really good player from Georgia, but who most people
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: saw as a bottom half of the first round player,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's top ten. How much of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: that is smoke screens or manufacturing knows. I look at
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: need and value, and I'm a best available player guy.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It just seems like this year you could get an
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: offensive tackle at twenty four. Anton Harrison's a guy who's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: getting mentioned in the first round, and a guy that
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I watched play a bit at Oklahoma who probably belongs there.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Same thing. You can mention the cornerback from Mississippi State
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: who belongs in that conversation. So there will be players
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: at those three positions. I'm just not sure that the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: pass rusher is going to be there at twenty four
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: because I think there's going to be a run on
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the position and you're going to see a guy like
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Will McDonald go at nineteen.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people draft philosophers general managers who shy
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: away from pass rusher, offensive line, and defensive line at
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the end of the first round because their theory is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: if they were really first round players, they usually get
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: taken before twenty four through thirty. So how much of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that is you're sort of sitting around after the draft
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: pontificating saying this is why we did it a little
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: bit of that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: But do you hear that? Give me?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I guess mentioned a lot that safer first round picks
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: are tight ends, running backs, safeties who can contribute for
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you there immediately. Again, once you're on the clock, a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: lot of this theoretical talk we talked about goes out
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the window and there's more of a hey, this guy
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: can help us. This is the best available player right now.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's the way that Balky will go at
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: one of a few positions.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for the ozone and mailbag.
• 27:46
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• 28:18
  Speaker 2: are chatting tomorrow. I think I will get in Calvin Ridley,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the quarterback obviously believe yeah, I believe leading tackler. Good
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to hear from him, and it'll be yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I spoke with Trevor briefly before the Jembo
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Shrimp game a couple of weeks back. Beyond that, it
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: be the first chance I think people have had to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: talk extensively these guys. Uh, first chance for the media
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to talk to Calvin Ridley, so it'll be interesting. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: then on Thursday, the the pre draft luncheon, where I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: sure Trent Balki Wouldelsey's who's gonna pick?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I looking forward to that. I always joke as we're
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: walking up the stairs to that, thinking this is the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: biggest waste of time for a press efforts because they're
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: not going to tell you anything. Sure you're gonna send
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you in different directions.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's good to see Doug.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: No, it's great they're there, and I know they look
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: forward to seeing it, and they do share some thoughts
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: on wait did you say look forward to staying on US.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I no doubt.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: They do share some thoughts on the overall you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: draft and different groups and things like that, but this
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: is an entire exercise in saying as little as possible.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So figured out it's good to check in with the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: GM and the coach before the draft and not good
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to have them tell us lies.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: After the drafts will be much more insightful. H Huddle
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Up Podcast tomorrow with Bucky Brooks, JP and Jeff with
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you for Happy Hour on Thursday. And that'll do it
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: for Drag's Drive time for Kai Stevens and John Oh
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: is youran Brian Sexton. Have a great day, everybody,