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Matt Holliday reacts to Brendan Donovan trade! Is JoJo Romero next up? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Matt Holliday and Lance Lynn. And quick
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Speaker 1: Lance and I an emergency edition of Cardinal Territory to
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Speaker 1: discuss the Donovan trade just to recap okay, Donovan goes
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Speaker 1: to Seattle three way deal with Seattle and Tampa. The
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Speaker 1: Cards get a couple of prospects from Seattle top one
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Speaker 1: hundred prospect pitcher Jerangelo Sanja, a former first round pick,
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Speaker 1: also Typete outfielder and former first round pick, and another
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Speaker 1: prospect and two count picks from Tampa, all for Brendan Donovan.
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Speaker 1: So that just when you heard the trade and you
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Speaker 1: found out the pieces involved, what was your reaction?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the it looks like a pretty good
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Speaker 2: haul to me. I mean I think he got, you know,
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Speaker 2: three first round picks and two comp picks. So basically,
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Speaker 2: you know, I think I've seen the switch pitcher. Uh,
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Speaker 2: he's Jackson's age. I've actually seen him, uh, you know
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Speaker 2: out on the tour of summer tour of I remember
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Speaker 2: the first time I saw him, and I was pretty
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Speaker 2: amazed to the fact that he could he could throw
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Speaker 2: that hard from both sides.
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Speaker 3: So essentially you could act like you got two players.
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Speaker 2: He could be two pictures that they got for him.
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Speaker 3: So that'll be interesting.
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Speaker 2: I think for fans to follow a guy that that obviously, Uh,
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Speaker 2: I think he throws harder right handed, if i'm if
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Speaker 2: I'm I remember correctly, I think he's more in the
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Speaker 2: mid nineties right handed and and low nineties left handed.
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Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I don't know much about ty Pete.
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Speaker 2: I know he's a good athlete or the other kid. Look,
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Speaker 2: it's it's uh, you're trying to get the most you can, Donovan.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think you know five essentially five players,
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Speaker 2: so we'll just see what they turned into.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think this is we talk about like
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Speaker 2: a guy like Loon Soto trade with the Nationals. You know,
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Speaker 2: they got a bunch of guys from the Padres in
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Speaker 2: that deal, and some have worked out really really well.
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Speaker 2: I mean they got James Wood and and uh I.
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Speaker 4: Think C J.
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Speaker 3: Abrams and that deal.
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Speaker 2: So this is one of those trades that you'll probably
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Speaker 2: know more about it in two years, two years from now,
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Speaker 2: of whether it turns out to be a good deal.
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Speaker 2: But I'm interested to see kind of moving forward or uh,
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Speaker 2: now that the payroll is is under one hundred and uh,
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Speaker 2: you know what what is the plan? I mean, I
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Speaker 2: I clearly is a rebuild. Are they gonna trade Jojo?
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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna talk about that another guy making
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Speaker 2: a couple of million bucks. You start talking about a
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Speaker 2: payroll on the bottom half of the league. So you're
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Speaker 2: building up the minor league system. I guess the prospects
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Speaker 2: and and younger players that are you know, kind of
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Speaker 2: major league ready with a couple of the pictures from
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox. So all in all, it looks like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you bring the payroll down. Now you know
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Speaker 2: what's the plan moving forward? You know, are you are
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Speaker 2: you going to wait a year or two to jump
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Speaker 2: back into the free agent market? Where where where is
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Speaker 2: the the revenue or where is the money gonna go?
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Speaker 2: Or or how how do you plan on getting the
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Speaker 2: seed back to World Series caliber team? Because right now,
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Speaker 2: when you look at it, you keep trading your best players,
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna compete, and you know it is for
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Speaker 2: a playoff spot. I know that Kyle Gibson somehow thinks
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Speaker 2: that even though they keep trading all their best players,
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Speaker 2: that there's a there's a path to the World Series.
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Speaker 3: I don't see it. And I appreciate Kyle's.
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Speaker 2: You know, his his optimism, and I appreciate Lance telling
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Speaker 2: the truth. Uh so, I I I'm much interested to
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Speaker 2: see where it goes. Like I said, I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: we're covering the Cardinals. We played for the Cardinals, We
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Speaker 2: love the Cardinals. But right now, like I you know,
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Speaker 2: I looked up the payroll, you're gonna be under under
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Speaker 2: a hundred million, and I don't remember the last time
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Speaker 2: they were under one hundred million for the payroll, and
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Speaker 2: a good portion of that payroll is being paid to
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Speaker 2: players on other teams. And then you don't have anybody
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Speaker 2: under contract past twenty twenty six. I believe, I think
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Speaker 2: they have no guarantees on any contracts past twenty six.
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Speaker 2: For a organization like the Cardinals did not have any
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Speaker 2: commitment past twenty six paarall under one hundred million, which
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Speaker 2: is gonna go drastically down next year, you know, based
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Speaker 2: on you know, some of the guys coming off the books.
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Speaker 2: What is the next step? And that's to me is
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Speaker 2: is interesting.
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Speaker 1: So as for Sandja, heim Blum did say that they
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Speaker 1: haven't decided what was Seattle Lee were saying he's better
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Speaker 1: right handed, he does throw better or harder as a
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Speaker 1: right hander. Lance kind of laid out, I thought, in
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Speaker 1: interesting detail, it's hard enough to be a picture instead
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Speaker 1: of being a two way picture. So we'll see how
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Speaker 1: that shakes out. But Lance, you have said all along
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Speaker 1: that this was a rebuild, a tear down, and now
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Speaker 1: we see Donovan gone, and if you look at what
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Speaker 1: Jim said he was gonna do, he's doing it. So
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Speaker 1: assess how Heimen has done with the plan that he
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Speaker 1: put out in place publicly.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I mean, originally it was a retool,
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Speaker 5: or then it was a build. I mean, it's pretty
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Speaker 5: obvious it's a rebuilt. There's really no other way to
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Speaker 5: say it. I think you're just waiting for Lars and
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Speaker 5: Jojo to be sent off. And I think if Lars
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Speaker 5: didn't have the surgery this offseason, he'd already be gone.
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Speaker 5: So maybe those are two pieces that you can package
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Speaker 5: together this year during the trade deadline to uh maybe
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Speaker 5: get you know, a couple more prospects and go from there.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean when it started, he had multiple
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Speaker 5: guys that had no trades that he was kind of
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Speaker 5: stuck with, right would see, you know, he tried to
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Speaker 5: do the best he could with that. He got a
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Speaker 5: couple of big league ready pitchers, had to eat, you know,
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Speaker 5: a good chunk of money. So hopefully, you know, a
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Speaker 5: couple of those guys pan out for the money they
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Speaker 5: paid in the trade to get it down and get
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Speaker 5: it done. The Donovan trades going to be the main
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Speaker 5: one that was kind of like, hey, this was my
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Speaker 5: I kind of did. I didn't have to do this one,
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Speaker 5: if that makes sense. So we're gonna have to see
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Speaker 5: how this one pans out, and that's going to be
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Speaker 5: the big You can't really grade the other trades because
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Speaker 5: of the no trade. This one is, hey, I did
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Speaker 5: it because we I thought it was the best for
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Speaker 5: the organization.
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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 5: It was not something that had to be done. So
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Speaker 5: I think that's going to be the grade for him
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Speaker 5: moving forward. And none of those guys are big league
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Speaker 5: ready and probably won't be until twenty seven most likely
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Speaker 5: at the earliest, and the most likely to be the pitcher.
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Speaker 5: Maybe the college outfielder he kind of grades as a
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Speaker 5: as a fourth outfielder, platoon type guy. So the center
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Speaker 5: fielder that what was his name, uh, good athlete, he's
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Speaker 5: got a chance to be something. I think you know,
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Speaker 5: the power numbers are coming up.
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Speaker 4: He's young.
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Speaker 5: He needs to put the ball in play a little
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Speaker 5: bit more, you know, because he can run.
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Speaker 4: And do some things.
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Speaker 5: So it's a way and see not like the comppicks
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Speaker 5: they got. It gives them more draft capital. He gives
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Speaker 5: them more uh you know, uh of the money that
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Speaker 5: they can use in the draft bonus pool. And then
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Speaker 5: you can do some things there. So this could be
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Speaker 5: uh six or seven or or you know, you can
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Speaker 5: you can do some weird things with this, uh with
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Speaker 5: this over with with this whole because of the draft
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Speaker 5: picks that he's got with it, so you can maybe
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Speaker 5: tie a draft pick to large and Jojo each and
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Speaker 5: get a higher prospect that you kind of know what
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Speaker 5: you're getting because you've seen him play in the minor
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Speaker 5: leagues and stuff like that. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: ways to go here. It wouldn't it didn't have to
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Speaker 5: be done because Donnie didn't have to be moved or
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Speaker 5: you know, didn't want to be moved like the guys
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Speaker 5: with the no trade. So that's gonna be the one
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Speaker 5: to see where we go in two years to see
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Speaker 5: how they developed. And it puts a lot of pressure
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Speaker 5: on their minor league developed system and and all this
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Speaker 5: stuff too, because they've all they've done is overhaul the
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Speaker 5: minor leagues, and if none of these guys pan out,
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Speaker 5: then it's just like we overhauled and didn't have any
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Speaker 5: plan for any of these guys. So I think it
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Speaker 5: puts pressure on him to say, hey, we need to
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Speaker 5: have guys developed rather quickly in the minor leagues, or
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Speaker 5: we got a bunch of minor leaguers and we didn't
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Speaker 5: have a plan form when we got them.
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Speaker 1: the bottom of a candian or something with a lot
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Speaker 1: of rocks around. It's a vacation, so he's not in
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Speaker 1: any sort of danger. Well, what of you guys mentioned earlier?
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Speaker 1: Jojo Romero we've touched on on a large new park
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Speaker 1: coming off surgery.
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Speaker 4: Maybe not the best time to deal him.
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Speaker 1: But Matt, I'm gonna ask you about Jojo coming off
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Speaker 1: a career year eight saves U and E or a
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Speaker 1: really just a tick above two. He was outstanding, his
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Speaker 1: best year as a big leaguer. Are they better to
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Speaker 1: hold him or better to deal him? How do you
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Speaker 1: see this thing unfolded?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it just goes back to
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Speaker 2: what the return is, you know, I mean I think
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Speaker 2: it's you know, I think depends on what people are offering.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think sometimes with realievers it's it is
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Speaker 2: best to strike uh and and and maybe try to
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Speaker 2: optimize value after coming off of uh, you know, his
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Speaker 2: best season, because relievers tend to be a little more
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Speaker 2: volatile with performance. I think, if you're gonna trade him,
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Speaker 2: you know, or you know, if if if there's value,
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Speaker 2: if there's teams that want him and they're willing to
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Speaker 2: offer you know, prospects or you know compis or whatever,
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Speaker 2: I think you.
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Speaker 3: Definitely have to listen. We talked about this before.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't do you any good to have a closer
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Speaker 2: or a dominant reliever on a team that's not really
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Speaker 2: trying to win. I mean you may as well, I mean,
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Speaker 2: whether you win seventy four games or seventy seven games
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Speaker 2: because you have a good left handed reliever. I think
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Speaker 2: at this point, if you're not going to win the
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Speaker 2: you know, if you're not really going for it, it's
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Speaker 2: best to optimize value on players like him. So I
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Speaker 2: think I would, you know, I would look to trade
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Speaker 2: him and get the best deal you can get. And
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Speaker 2: you know, again we talked about it, like whether you
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Speaker 2: have him on the team next year or not, it's
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Speaker 2: not going to move the needle on whether you you
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Speaker 2: know you somehow make a playoff run coylem. I think so,
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Speaker 2: But I think Lance and I would would both agree.
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Speaker 4: So, Lance, I think you said Donnie might have been
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Speaker 4: the tipping point. Maybe it's Joe, but you said.
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Speaker 1: If they deal those guys, then we know this is
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Speaker 1: a gut rehab, right, This is not fixing up the
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Speaker 1: foyer or or sprucing up a guest bathroom.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think Donnie's the Donnie was the start
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Speaker 5: of the or rebuilding, said us. If if you trade Donnie,
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Speaker 5: it's a rebuild, you know. Obviously I thought, you know
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Speaker 5: they might have packaged Judgo with someone else to maybe
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Speaker 5: get a little bit more in a in a deal.
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Speaker 5: But like Matt said, relievers their years. They can go
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Speaker 5: up and down rather quickly. You know, if you trade
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Speaker 5: him now, they get a full year of him. You know,
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Speaker 5: whether it's you know, whatever team needs him and all that.
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Speaker 5: You know, if he has a bad first half, his
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Speaker 5: value is going to go down. And you kept being
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Speaker 5: because you're not You're not going to be in it.
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Speaker 5: You're you're telling everybody you're rebuilding, So why not try
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Speaker 5: to get as much you can and not risk value
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Speaker 5: going down. And that being said, you know, you have
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Speaker 5: these compicts that you just got, you know, maybe you
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Speaker 5: throw one in there and see if you can get
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Speaker 5: yourself a top under prospect from somebody. You just never know.
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Speaker 5: But I would say with reelievers, year and in year out,
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Speaker 5: you never know what you're gonna get. You never know
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Speaker 5: when the mileage, you know, catches up in this way
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Speaker 5: and that way, and he's got one more year. I
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Speaker 5: think this is the last year are if I'm not mistaken,
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Speaker 5: So it's I think it's a no doubter. Give a
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Speaker 5: team a full year of a guy and then you
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Speaker 5: can try to get the best back as you can
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Speaker 5: and get a guy that you you know that you're
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Speaker 5: high on or something like that. And if you want
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Speaker 5: a better pick or a better guy throwing a throwing
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Speaker 5: a comp pick where because you don't know what's going
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Speaker 5: to be there in the draft. You you know what
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Speaker 5: a guy's done in the minor league so far to
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Speaker 5: actually see what you can kind of project his future be.
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Speaker 4: Let's you know, some of these guys, I'm just curious.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna be on a rotating base, especially
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Speaker 1: early on. But one guy you think would be good
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Speaker 1: at closing out game crop that's gonna be there beyond
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Speaker 1: June Chick.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you're looking at uh what you got. Uh.
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Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, I think it's gonna
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Speaker 5: be more smay whatever. Righty, he kind of came up
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Speaker 5: last year and and did did some things and then uh, O'Brien.
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Speaker 5: I think those two are kind of you're would see
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Speaker 5: right away. And if Lakey doesn't make the rotation or
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Speaker 5: you don't, you know that all these guys that you
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Speaker 5: got in the trades and McGreevey and Blante, everybody looks
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Speaker 5: good in spring training, throw Leahy back there. You know
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Speaker 5: that that could be a fix. And hell, they're gonna
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Speaker 5: have nine starters fighting for five spots. Like if one
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Speaker 5: of those guys stuff plays up in the bullpen and
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Speaker 5: you got a closer that's one year into the big leagues,
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Speaker 5: that is very very good thing to have because closers
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Speaker 5: get expensive quick. And Matt, tell me if I'm wrong here,
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Speaker 5: you want a three four starter or is this stuff
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Speaker 5: play up as a back end reliever? You know what
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Speaker 5: I'm saying. You three four start everywhere? You know, back
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Speaker 5: in if a guy's stuff plays up in the bullpen
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Speaker 5: and he's going going to be a four starter going
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Speaker 5: five innings, six innings, tops, throw him in the back
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Speaker 5: end of the bullpen and let him go get saved,
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Speaker 5: like Lady might be an elite closer, but might be
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Speaker 5: a four starter. Like that's a you just never know,
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Speaker 5: and that's something they got to figure out on screen train.
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Speaker 1: One of the things too, that Thymas said, is still
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Speaker 1: out there right handed bat and do Hard just signed
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Speaker 1: with the Padres.
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Speaker 4: He seemed to be a good fit.
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Speaker 1: Some of the names out there like right handed bat, Hoskins,
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Speaker 1: power guy, veteran which they could use in the clubhouse,
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Speaker 1: plays a little outfield, another guy who I think is
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Speaker 1: still living in Saint Louis's Goldie first base only, and
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have guys they want to see at first base,
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Speaker 1: but a right handed back very good splits, you know
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Speaker 1: against lefty pitching Matt When you're looking at right handed guys,
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Speaker 1: who think would fill the bill of guys that are
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Speaker 1: still out.
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Speaker 2: There, maybe Yeah, I mean, I think the problem you
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Speaker 2: have here is the guys that you mentioned are they
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're gonna be later in their career
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Speaker 2: looking to try to to play on a winning team.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think obviously if if nothing, if no
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Speaker 2: contenders are interested, I doubt Goldie, you know, is wanting
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Speaker 2: to come back and and sort of play on a
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Speaker 2: on a rebuild. I'm guessing he's looking for a role
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Speaker 2: on a on a team as a chance to win
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Speaker 2: the World Series. I mean, we talk about Hoskins, I
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Speaker 2: mean that that might be somebody that but my guess
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Speaker 2: is he's probably looking to play on a competitive team
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Speaker 2: where he gets at bats, you know, Mork and cistently.
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Speaker 3: I guess I.
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Speaker 2: Guess the split would be with with first base, maybe
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Speaker 2: the platoon split that you're looking at with Hoskins and
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Speaker 2: Goldie with Burlson. But looks like Burlson they want to
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Speaker 2: play him every day and see see what he looks
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Speaker 2: like against lefties and not really have a platoon.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: What exactly role other than just to say you have
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Speaker 2: another right handed bat. Is it a bench role that
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Speaker 2: just pin shits? Is it a you know, is it
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Speaker 2: somebody that can play both infield and outfield. I think
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Speaker 2: Wilmer Flores was on the list, you know, Starling Marte. Uh,
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Speaker 2: maybe he wants to try to rebuild value again. But again,
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Speaker 2: if you trade new bar And and you want to,
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Speaker 2: you know, sign Marte and and see if he can't
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Speaker 2: rebuild some value and then trade him at the deadline,
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Speaker 2: or you know, if you want to do something like that,
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Speaker 2: I could see it.
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Speaker 3: But when you start talking about bedroom players, most.
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Speaker 2: Of the time, they're not looking to be platoon players
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Speaker 2: on on non competitive teams. They want to be platoons
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Speaker 2: three to platoon. They want a platoon on a on
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Speaker 2: a team as a chance to win. So I think
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Speaker 2: it's an interesting, uh situation, unless you're gonna overpay, which
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Speaker 2: which doesn't really seem to be in the cards for Nice,
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Speaker 2: in the cards for any of any of the free agents.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know that the Cardinals will looking. I can't see
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Speaker 2: them overpaying to bring in somebody like Rehee Hoskins just
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Speaker 2: to add a right handed bat.
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Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know. I don't know where
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Speaker 3: this will land, but it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 1: Let's say something more positive than that, because right now
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Speaker 1: I'm a little.
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Speaker 5: Jojo for a person that can hit right handed and
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Speaker 5: play the outfield. And you know what you're getting. I
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Speaker 5: mean that that's the kind of the play, and it's
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Speaker 5: gonna save you money and you don't have to get
19:30
Speaker 5: a free agency. But if you're gonna go in the
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Speaker 5: free agency, mold Burley can play left if need be.
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Speaker 5: If you know, however you want to work it. If
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Speaker 5: you trade new then Burley can play left. Walker's in right.
19:42
Speaker 5: Then you can put Herrera at d H and then
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Speaker 5: you gotta maybe a better back or a better catcher situation,
19:48
Speaker 5: and you're whoever you go can also DH and play
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Speaker 5: first base and do the things like that. So there's
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Speaker 5: a lot of fits there, and then you just got
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Speaker 5: to kind of see how it is. Flores kind of
19:57
Speaker 5: fits the bill too. If you look at it right,
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Speaker 5: second base, third base are probably gonna be predominantly left handed,
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Speaker 5: first base gonna be predominantly left handed. Wilmer can play
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Speaker 5: all three of those positions in the infield, So then
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Speaker 5: Newton left walkers and right victors in center, and that's
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Speaker 5: kind of your flow. And then you can flow in
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Speaker 5: Herrera at his DH days because Herrera, in my opinion, Herrera,
20:21
Speaker 5: if he catches you want to you got to watch
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Speaker 5: his legs. So if you want him, you gotta be in.
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Speaker 5: He's gotta be in the lineup every day pretty much.
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Speaker 5: So how can you get him in the lineup the
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Speaker 5: most DH three days a week. I think that would
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Speaker 5: be huge for him, and then mix and match those
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Speaker 5: days behind the play, especially with day games, you know,
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Speaker 5: and off days and stuff like that. So I think
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Speaker 5: Herrera is going to get more DH time than people think.
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Speaker 1: All right, last thing, and I'll let you guys go
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Speaker 1: in a more positive direction. One guy outside of JJ
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Speaker 1: Weatherholt who everyone's excited to see, who I know we
20:57
Speaker 1: all believe will be on the unopening day roster, will
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Speaker 1: be a very good play. Outside of that, give me
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Speaker 1: one guy that you want to see either how he
21:05
Speaker 1: bounces back or how he takes it to the next
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Speaker 1: level or maybe makes him win just what he does
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Speaker 1: when he's got too healthy, kneeds Matt'll start with you.
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Speaker 1: One guy on the current roster that you're excited to
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Speaker 1: see in the upcoming season.
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Speaker 2: Well again, I think you know Jordan Walker is always
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Speaker 2: the one that's intriguing just because his ceiling is high.
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Speaker 2: You know, all accounts. I think I heard Mason went
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Speaker 2: on an MLB network. He was talking about how excited
21:35
Speaker 2: he was to see some swing change or that he'd
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Speaker 2: been working really hard, and that he had seen Jordan's
21:40
Speaker 2: recently swinging and looks really good.
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Speaker 3: So he's a guy, you know that it has high
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Speaker 3: end potential, hasn't quite tapped into it just yet.
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Speaker 2: Still young, but he's one of those guys that that
21:56
Speaker 2: is an outlier when it comes to strength and and
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Speaker 2: and and arm strength and some things that he can
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Speaker 2: do that most guys can't. So he's one of those
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Speaker 2: guys that, uh, you know two years ago, Uh, he's untradable.
22:10
Speaker 2: You could get you could have got you know, a
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Speaker 2: ton four and and just this kind of you know,
22:16
Speaker 2: still trying to find find it, figure it out. So uh,
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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if he can he can take
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Speaker 2: that next step and and and maybe turn into a
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Speaker 2: you know, a really good player.
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Speaker 5: How about you, Lance, I'm gonna go with Gorman off this.
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Speaker 5: This is what we're thinking, right, You got JJ and
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Speaker 5: and Win up the middle. It's Gorman and and Walker
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Speaker 5: that if they take that next step with Herrera behind
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Speaker 5: the plate and then and then Victor Scott, but it's Gorman.
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Speaker 5: Their make a break years are for Walker and Gorman
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Speaker 5: in my opinion, in this sense, but they're still really young.
22:49
Speaker 5: Gorman's got a chance to be a third baseman, second
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Speaker 5: baseman that can hit, you know, twenty five home runs
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Speaker 5: BLUs a year. Everybody needs to realize he's in a
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Speaker 5: ballpark where if twenty five home runs happen, as Matt knows,
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Speaker 5: is a really good year, but hit your doubles and
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Speaker 5: don't strike out. So, from my opinion, if he hits
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Speaker 5: twenty to twenty five home runs, but next thing you know,
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Speaker 5: the bad Nevers goes up to two point fifty and
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Speaker 5: hit some doubles and stuff like that, he becomes a
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Speaker 5: really good player. Or he can swing like he swings
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Speaker 5: and become roognant o'door. Or I'm gonna hit thirty every year,
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna strike out two hundred times and I'm gonna
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Speaker 5: drive in one hundred. But I'm hitting two hundred, so
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Speaker 5: I'm not a serviceable player. I think he needs to
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Speaker 5: wrap his head around of Hey, if I hit less homers,
23:30
Speaker 5: but my bad nevers goes up, I hit more doubles,
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Speaker 5: I become more of a productive player instead of just
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Speaker 5: going for the home run.
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Speaker 4: At all times.
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Speaker 5: And I think he's capable of doing that.
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Speaker 4: But he got in his head that he needed.
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Speaker 5: To hit thirty, and when you try to hit thirty
23:42
Speaker 5: in Bush Stadium, your batty never goes down because you
23:45
Speaker 5: get a lot of fly balls to the track or
23:47
Speaker 5: a lot of swing and miss trying to try and
23:49
Speaker 5: to drive the ball a little too much instead of
23:52
Speaker 5: just go gap to gap, do your thing, and when
23:54
Speaker 5: the ball goes, it goes. And when you go to Cincinnati,
23:57
Speaker 5: Milwaukee and Wrigley, you know, have a good weekend the
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Speaker 5: next time, and you know he goes from twenty five
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Speaker 5: to twenty nine thirty.
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Speaker 4: That's what.
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Speaker 5: That's the way you got to play it. If you
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Speaker 5: play most of your home games or if you have
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Speaker 5: half your games at Bush.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mason Win because he played through
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Speaker 1: a bad knee from Osa last year and.
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Speaker 5: Masilla Golden Glove, good reach.
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Speaker 4: What's that?
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Speaker 5: I'm say, you want to go to Glove and he's
24:23
Speaker 5: had two good years.
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Speaker 4: Hold this, but I think he's gonna steal bases.
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna hit twenty homers, and I think
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be more of an impact back. That's why,
24:33
Speaker 1: because we saw him do all that with a torm meniscus.
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Speaker 5: I think Jim, I think people expect that at him.
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Speaker 5: That's like the next step for him. The other guys
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Speaker 5: are ones that are like, hey, you have to re
24:44
Speaker 5: establish that you can be a big Leaguer's.
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Speaker 1: See, but I've said excited to see or see what
24:50
Speaker 1: they can be.
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Speaker 5: It's only what Mason win. Then you don't need to
24:53
Speaker 5: watch baseball.
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Speaker 1: That's fair enough, all right, but that's that's the beauty
24:58
Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. We give answers and then the former
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Speaker 1: athletes can beat up on the guy who wasn't. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate that, gentlemen. Thanks for the insight. Always great talking
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Speaker 1: to you. That's gonna do it for this edition of
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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode
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Speaker 1: won't suck.