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3/23/26: Iran Rejects Trump Ceasefire Claim, Lindsey Graham Demands Boots On Ground, Massive Damage In Israel · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 2: We've got a Taco alert from Trump this morning, and
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Speaker 1: A Protaco.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So Trump is trying to back down from some of
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Speaker 2: his threats against Iran. The Iranians, though, are disputing some
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Speaker 2: of the claims that he is making. There is a
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Speaker 2: lot to dig into there. Tree de Parsi is going
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Speaker 2: to join us to help to make sense of what
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Speaker 2: the hell is going on this morning at the same
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Speaker 2: time Lindsey Graham of course for a ground invasion and
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Speaker 2: making a jaw dropping comparison to what it could be like.
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Speaker 2: There have been dueling strikes near nuclear facilities that seems
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Speaker 2: like a troubling development. The US is rolling back sanctions
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Speaker 2: on Iranian oil as prices at.
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Speaker 4: The pump continue to go up.
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Speaker 2: BB claims Iran is targeting near al Oxa mosque in
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Speaker 1: But yeah, taco, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's get to the taco. Let's put this up
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Speaker 2: on the screen. From Trump over on Truth Social he says,
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Speaker 2: I am pleased to report the United States of America
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Speaker 2: and the country of Iran have had over the last
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Speaker 2: two days very good and productive conversations regarding a complete
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Speaker 2: and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East.
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Speaker 4: Based on the tenor and tone.
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Speaker 2: Of these in depth, detailed and constructive conversations which a
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Speaker 2: spelled it like a witch like on Halloween, but anyway,
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Speaker 2: which will continue throughout the week, I have instructed the
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Speaker 2: Department of War to postpone any and all military strikes
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Speaker 2: against Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure for a five
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Speaker 2: day period, subject to the success of the ongoing meetings
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Speaker 2: and discussions. Thank you for your attention in this matter,
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Speaker 2: President Donald J.
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Speaker 1: Trump.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and put a zero B
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Speaker 2: up on the screen. If we have that, so Iran
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Speaker 2: already coming out and saying bullshit, we are not talking
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Speaker 2: to him whatsoever. Said this says from Iran Now. A
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Speaker 2: high ranking source in the Iranian foreign ministry to Iran now,
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Speaker 2: we deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations
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Speaker 2: taking place between the United States of America and the
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Speaker 2: Islamic Republic of Iran. The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres
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Speaker 2: firmly to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before
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Speaker 2: achieving Iran's goals from the war. Trump's statements represent a
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Speaker 2: retreat from his previous threats, but the Islamic Republic of
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Speaker 2: Iran remains steadfast in all its declared positions. Iron's position
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Speaker 2: on the Straight of Horror Moves has not changed, and
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Speaker 2: the strait will remain closed to aggressors against the Islamic
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Speaker 2: Republic and its people. So let's back up for a
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Speaker 2: second and talk about how we got here. So Trump
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Speaker 2: had previously threatened that Iran had forty eight hours to
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Speaker 2: open the Straight of Horror Moves or else Trump was
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Speaker 2: going to attack their electrical grid. This is war crime,
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Speaker 2: not that anyone apparently cares about such things, but it
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Speaker 2: is pretty wild to see president of the United States
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Speaker 2: just like openly announcing their intention to commit war crimes.
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Speaker 2: But in any case that occurred, you then had Iran saying,
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Speaker 2: all right, well, if you do that. In response we
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Speaker 2: are going to attack infrastructure throughout the region. Obviously, the
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Speaker 2: goulf Arabs date are very vulnerable both to attacks on
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Speaker 2: their electrical grid. Israel is actually quite vulnerable to attacks
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Speaker 2: on its electrical grid. Not to mention, if desalination plans
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Speaker 2: get involved, that is a whole other level of escalation.
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Speaker 2: So mutual threats were made. The clock was ticking, and
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Speaker 2: now you have, oh and one more piece. Aron also said, hey,
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Speaker 2: by the way, any financial institutions that are holding US treasuries,
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Speaker 2: we consider them to be targets as well.
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Speaker 4: Market saga. Of course, we're looking very dire.
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Speaker 2: Oil prices were going up, bond yields were going up.
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Speaker 2: That might even be more of a threat to the
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Speaker 2: US economy and the US government than the oil prices.
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Speaker 2: The market was crashing, the futures were down, and so
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Speaker 2: between all of these combination of things, Trump that felt
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Speaker 2: the need to come out and say, ah, well, let's
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Speaker 2: give it a few days, let's hold back.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's look at the timing of it. The timing
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Speaker 3: of it was very important. Seven am Eastern Time on
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Speaker 3: a Monday morning, which means what the S and P
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Speaker 3: futures are rocketing. Oil was down some ten percenter, So
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Speaker 3: on the initial news, we have no idea. It's gone
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Speaker 3: up a little bit more after the Iranians rejected the
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Speaker 3: idea that there were any sort of direct talks. But
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Speaker 3: this five day stretch, which conveniently is the entire time
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Speaker 3: that the entire market is open, is going to be
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Speaker 3: one where he's trying to calm the waters. Initially spot
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Speaker 3: prices on gasoline. The way that things work is that
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Speaker 3: when oil prices come down, that means in about two
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Speaker 3: to three days we should also begin to see some
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Speaker 3: of the gas prices go down. He is looking for
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Speaker 3: that billboard flashing all across America. He wants to see
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Speaker 3: people see a reduction in the gas price. However, a
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Speaker 3: couple of things before we bring in the we bring
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Speaker 3: in treat to Parsi, which are very important to note.
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Speaker 3: Their word Israel was not mentioned once in the entire
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Speaker 3: Trump Taco truth. Right, Israel may continue to do strikes.
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Speaker 3: We have no idea what bbing net and Yahoo and
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Speaker 3: others have agreed to. Who knows whether you know they've
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Speaker 3: decided what strike packages they're going to move on forward.
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Speaker 3: Don't forget we're going to spend a significant time on
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Speaker 3: this on the show. They took a beating over the
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Speaker 3: last seventy two hours. Their interceptors are failing. Their nuclear
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Speaker 3: strikes where our nuclear facilities were struck. They had a
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Speaker 3: mass casualty event in southern Israel. Israel is not doing
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Speaker 3: well right now so far in this war. Also, there
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Speaker 3: are thousands of US forces that are still converging on
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Speaker 3: the Persian Gulf and in the Middle East. So all
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Speaker 3: of the current signs, remember none of that has yet
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Speaker 3: been called off. All of the current roads still lead
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Speaker 3: to a widening of the war and then last and
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Speaker 3: most importantly, before we get to treat to Parsi, which
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Speaker 3: people really.
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Speaker 1: Need to remember.
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Speaker 3: And I've spoken and now confirmed this with multiple security
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Speaker 3: forces or security sources. What the Iranians believe more than
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Speaker 3: anything is that the Ayatola made a grave mistake by
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Speaker 3: agreeing to that ceasefire in the Twelve Day War.
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Speaker 1: He was a very cautious, doddering old man. He's dead.
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Speaker 3: We killed him right with the Israelis, the new Ayatola
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Speaker 3: and the existing security establishment. Remember the vast majority of
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Speaker 3: their long existing heads, they're all dead. Everybody now is like, no,
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Speaker 3: this is a fight to the death. We have to
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Speaker 3: make sure that we survive. Most importantly, we will not
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Speaker 3: give it Israel and the United States time to rearm.
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Speaker 3: We are not going to engage in fake diplomacy after
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Speaker 3: you've bombed US twice in the middle of negotiations. We
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Speaker 3: are not going to allow these US forces to converge
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Speaker 3: here while just allowing the US off the hook in
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Speaker 3: the interim. So diplomatic negotiations are going to have to
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Speaker 3: be taken with a massive grain of salt. Inside of
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Speaker 3: the country of Iran, we have to actually convince their
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Speaker 3: security establishment that this time is different, which is why
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Speaker 3: it was such a folly to bomb them twice under
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Speaker 3: the cover of diplomatic negotiation in the first place. So
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Speaker 3: all of those caveats I think are so so important
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Speaker 3: here at the top, this is in no way over.
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Speaker 3: I really don't know why the Iranians would agree to it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, let's be listen.
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Speaker 1: I hope they do. I really do, for all of our.
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Speaker 3: Sakes, for their sakes, and for the world. I just
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Speaker 3: don't see the strategic logic. And this is where Robert
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Speaker 3: Papees and all of the escalation ladder analysis like, at
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Speaker 3: a certain point you're locked in a system of incentives
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Speaker 3: which you created. And without that, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're absent a serious, a serious back down and effective
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Speaker 3: surrender from the president. Yeah, and then control over our Israel.
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Speaker 3: M I don't see how this can end yet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing we've been flagging for a
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Speaker 2: while is that Trump probably wants to taco at this point.
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Speaker 2: He's probably looking for an off ramp, thinking like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know about this. The mid terms are coming up,
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Speaker 2: the gas versus are going up, this is not going great.
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Speaker 4: He thought this would be.
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Speaker 2: Over in forties, genuinely thought that the Iranian people would
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Speaker 2: rise up and after he took out the Ayatola, that
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Speaker 2: would basically be it.
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Speaker 4: That's what he was.
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Speaker 2: Telling our allies, and I do think that is what
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Speaker 2: he actually believed. So now he's lost and he doesn't
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Speaker 2: know where to go. I have no doubt that he
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Speaker 2: would look for an off ramp and some way to
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Speaker 2: taco in a way that will save some kind of
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Speaker 2: face and declare mission accomplish. The Iranians get to say
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Speaker 2: in that, and the Israelis, apparently because we give them
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Speaker 2: a say, they also get to say in it.
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Speaker 4: And so the last thing that I'll.
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Speaker 2: Note before before we get to Tritah, is that overnight
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Speaker 2: actually the Israelis struck in Tehran and there were electrical Now,
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Speaker 2: there were blackouts reported. Now we don't know whether they
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Speaker 2: directly struck intentionally the electrical infrastructure or if the blackouts
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Speaker 2: were just a side effect of strikes on other targets.
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Speaker 2: But when I saw that this morning, I thought, oh boy,
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Speaker 2: you know, this could really be on from Iran.
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Speaker 4: And then the news that came in right after that
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Speaker 4: was the Trump Taco.
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Speaker 2: So one possibility here too is that Trump is sending
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Speaker 2: Israel out like our little attack dog, to go out
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Speaker 2: and do our dirty work, and then he can oh no,
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Speaker 2: we want to see spar we want to lessen the
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Speaker 2: tensions here, we want to have productive negotiations, etc. So
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Speaker 2: that could be part of what's going on here. But
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Speaker 2: to Soccer's point, the Iranians they are not going to
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Speaker 2: trust this present ever, all of the outreach that they
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Speaker 2: were trying to do, according to drop Site, reaching out
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Speaker 2: via whit cough, you know, and him not having his
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Speaker 2: text messages or his calls or whatever returned. There's an
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Speaker 2: obvious reason for that. There's two reasons. Number one, because
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Speaker 2: the diplomacy has always been a ruse and you know,
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Speaker 2: given cover for future attacks, which I also think is
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Speaker 2: something that could be going on here with this attempt
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Speaker 2: at Taco too, to buy them some time and turn
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Speaker 2: down the temperature into whatever the next phase is, which
11:07
Speaker 2: could potentially be a ground invasion, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: signals pointing in that direction, so in any case it
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Speaker 2: could be a ruse. And the second point here is
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Speaker 2: that the Iranians feel they must exact a lot of
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Speaker 2: pain to make sure they do not end up here again.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that they feel there anywhere close
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Speaker 2: to getting the amount of pain in the American public
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Speaker 2: and the global economy that would make them feel comfortable
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Speaker 2: that it would be an effective to.
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Speaker 4: Turn in the future.
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Speaker 1: All right, we have treat just Parsi standing by. What
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Speaker 1: don't we get to it?
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Speaker 2: All right, guys joining us now for more. We have
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Speaker 2: Trita Parsis, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for
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Speaker 2: Responsible state Craft.
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Speaker 4: Great to see Atrita.
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Speaker 1: Good see you, sir, Good to see you as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So let's go ahead and put a
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Speaker 2: zero up on the screen.
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Speaker 4: This is the big news this morning.
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Speaker 2: A Taco or at least an attempt at taco Here
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Speaker 2: from Trump, he says, I'm pleased to report the US,
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Speaker 2: the United States of America in the country t I
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Speaker 2: Ron have had over the last two days very good
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Speaker 2: and productive conversations regarding a complete and total resolution of
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Speaker 2: our hostilities in the Middle East. He then goes on
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Speaker 2: to say that he is going to postpone any and
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Speaker 2: all military strikes against Iranian power plans and energy infrastructure
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Speaker 2: for a five day period. What is your reaction to
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Speaker 2: the president's truth here? What do you think is going
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Speaker 2: on behind the scenes?
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Speaker 5: Look, this is a sign of someone who lost control
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Speaker 5: over this war already two and a half weeks ago.
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Speaker 5: You know, a lot of folks are saying, and I
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Speaker 5: think quite correctly, that he realizes that this is a
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Speaker 5: terrible things for the markets. Yet he should have known
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Speaker 5: that on Friday when he first issued that threat of
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Speaker 5: bombing the Iranian power grids. I mean, if he's doing
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Speaker 5: these things thinking the Iranians are going to back down,
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Speaker 5: then he's learned absolutely nothing in the last three weeks.
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Speaker 5: I've said it on this show before. Part of the
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Speaker 5: reason why we're in this war is because he completely
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Speaker 5: underestimated of the Islamic Republic, and he believed that just
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Speaker 5: a small push would cause them to either collapse or
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Speaker 5: to surrender. None of those things have happened, none of
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Speaker 5: those things are likely to happen. Yet he keeps on
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Speaker 5: issuing various kinds of threats and then backing down, either
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Speaker 5: fully or in a halfway. So, for instance, at Harg Island,
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Speaker 5: he struck the military installations but not the oil, reflecting
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Speaker 5: again how clearly he signals that he is extremely sensitive
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Speaker 5: to what happens in the markets, and why the Yvanians
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Speaker 5: then have such leverage over him because of the manner
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Speaker 5: in which they can completely collapse all energy markets if
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Speaker 5: he further escalates. He is someone who doesn't have any
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Speaker 5: good escalatory options, but he is not willing yet to
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Speaker 5: go down the path of truly exploring what some good
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Speaker 5: off ramps would be. And I hope that he does
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Speaker 5: so very soon, because I fear that we will end
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Speaker 5: up in a situation, perhaps in two weeks, perhaps in
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Speaker 5: three weeks, in which those the escalatory options will no
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Speaker 5: longer be available to him, Because for him to be
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Speaker 5: able to de escalate, he needs to form a narrative
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Speaker 5: that still claims that he won, and that his base
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Speaker 5: and believes that he's won. But if he goes on
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Speaker 5: for too long and it becomes absolutely clear that this
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Speaker 5: is a freaking disaster, then his ability to convince his
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Speaker 5: base that he actually walked out of this with the
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Speaker 5: victory will start to rain. And at that point, unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: his incentives to exit may actually decline compared to the
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Speaker 5: incentives or the cost benefit analysis of just continuing the
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Speaker 5: war or actually escalating. So there's a very short window
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Speaker 5: here in which he has to find that exit ramp,
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Speaker 5: and that means that he's going to have to be
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Speaker 5: willing not to just say that he talked to the Iranians,
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Speaker 5: but actually put things on the table. And I think
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Speaker 5: Joe Kemp was absolutely right in saying there needs to
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Speaker 5: be some sanctions relief in order to get out of
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Speaker 5: this situation, and it can be done in a way
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Speaker 5: that is actually quite good for the United States itself.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Parci, something you have hammered home here is that
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Speaker 3: the Iranians truly believe they made a massive mistake at
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Speaker 3: the Twelve Day War that they should have just kept firing.
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Speaker 3: They never should have done a cease fire. I see
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Speaker 3: no reason why that logic doesn't remain today. The Ayatola
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Speaker 3: is now dead. It was one of the more cautious figures.
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Speaker 3: Many of the so called moderates or people were willing
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Speaker 3: to talk are also all dead, So the remaining security
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Speaker 3: establishment and perhaps the existing Onetola. They do not see
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Speaker 3: this as a reasonable off ramp. You keep talking about
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Speaker 3: a possible one, but to me, it seems very unlikely
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Speaker 3: because it would be effective surrender from a person who
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Speaker 3: called for unconditional surrender sanctions in this sanctions relief at
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Speaker 3: this point seems genuinely unthinkable from the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1: But is that what it's actually going to take? What
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Speaker 1: would it even look like?
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Speaker 5: I think that is what I will take. Look what
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Speaker 5: the things that Vanni's have said that they need in
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Speaker 5: order to back down, and I think some of them
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Speaker 5: are unlikely. So, for instance, they're asking for all of
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Speaker 5: the US bases in the region to be clear. I
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Speaker 5: don't think that's going to happen. I think we can
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Speaker 5: see a situation in which some of them may not
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Speaker 5: be rebuilt, and some of them may be slowly commissioned out,
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Speaker 5: and some of these states may change their security approach
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Speaker 5: in the sense that they will no longer ask for
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Speaker 5: US basis, but they will continue to buy a very
16:19
Speaker 5: large number of American weaponry, and that that may actually
16:23
Speaker 5: be a smarter way for them to deal with their
16:25
Speaker 5: security issues, rather than actually hosting bases that end up
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Speaker 5: becoming targets and magnets for attacks they've asked for reparations.
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Speaker 5: I find that also extremely unlikely to happen. The thing
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Speaker 5: that I think is not completely inconceivable is actually that
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Speaker 5: there will be a level of sanctions relief. Now. I
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Speaker 5: think the administration itself has already opened the door for
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Speaker 5: this by claiming that they're unsanctioned the oil on the water.
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Speaker 5: Now we know that they've done it in a strange way,
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Speaker 5: but nevertheless, that is opening up the pathway for entering
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Speaker 5: into that territory. I do worry about another thing, and
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Speaker 5: you pointed out that the Iranians think that they committed
17:05
Speaker 5: a mistake that they ended the war after twelve days,
17:07
Speaker 5: agreed to a cease fire when there were significant indications
17:11
Speaker 5: that these radies were running out of the arrow threes
17:14
Speaker 5: and that the Iranian missiles were just getting through at
17:17
Speaker 5: a higher and higher rate, even though they were shooting
17:19
Speaker 5: less of them. The problem though is the Iranians may
17:23
Speaker 5: very well end up doing the very same committing the
17:26
Speaker 5: very same mistake that the United States has committed, which
17:29
Speaker 5: is to overplay their hands in this war and not
17:33
Speaker 5: find the right moment to be able to strike a deal.
17:37
Speaker 5: And the objective has to be from their stand to
17:41
Speaker 5: create a new stable situation that is acceptable to them
17:45
Speaker 5: and it is acceptable to the GCC and ultimately to
17:48
Speaker 5: the United States as well. Just going on and on
17:50
Speaker 5: because you're winning without recognizing that you need to find
17:54
Speaker 5: an end state that is acceptable. It's not a smart strategy.
17:58
Speaker 5: And that's frankly, what I believe that Trump administration is
18:01
Speaker 5: doing right now. So the Iranians have to find that
18:03
Speaker 5: moment as well. And again, as I said earlier on,
18:05
Speaker 5: that moment may be lost if they wait too long,
18:09
Speaker 5: because if Trump cannot declare victory convincingly to his own
18:12
Speaker 5: days and he can't form that narrative, then his ability
18:16
Speaker 5: to exit this is going to come very very difficult.
18:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a great point. I also wanted to
18:21
Speaker 2: get your reactions. So the Iranians are saying this is
18:23
Speaker 2: not true. There are no talks going on, you know,
18:26
Speaker 2: we also have all these reports we could pay a
18:28
Speaker 2: ten up.
18:29
Speaker 4: On the screen.
18:30
Speaker 2: We've got more marines being sent into the region. Thousands
18:33
Speaker 2: more marines being sent into the region. This was another
18:36
Speaker 2: report from an Israeli source that says senior American officials
18:39
Speaker 2: have told their counterparts in Israel and other countries in
18:41
Speaker 2: recent days there will probably be no choice. The US
18:43
Speaker 2: will be forced to launch a ground operation to capture
18:46
Speaker 2: the Iranian island of Krg, according to two sources familiar.
18:51
Speaker 2: You know, we all know that at this point that
18:52
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the oil that's exported from Ron goes
18:56
Speaker 2: through Karg Island. Of course, there have been all kinds
18:59
Speaker 2: of reports and the US press about potentially that or
19:02
Speaker 2: potentially an operation inside of mainland Aaron to seize loose
19:07
Speaker 2: nuclear material. Is it possible that what Trump is doing
19:10
Speaker 2: here is not only a very obvious attempt to call
19:13
Speaker 2: on the markets, but is also another sort of ruse
19:17
Speaker 2: to get the Iranians to drop their guard while he
19:19
Speaker 2: prepares for this next phase of escalation.
19:22
Speaker 5: It may very well be that that is his intent.
19:25
Speaker 5: I don't see the Iranians lowering their guard in any way,
19:28
Speaker 5: shape or form under these circumstances. I think they have
19:32
Speaker 5: now been burned so many times that they're not going
19:34
Speaker 5: to trust anything this administration says, and again this is
19:38
Speaker 5: actually why they're requesting sanctions relief. Let me just explain
19:42
Speaker 5: a part of this that I think is very important
19:44
Speaker 5: to understand why this I think is going to end
19:46
Speaker 5: up being non negotiable from the Iranians as long as
19:49
Speaker 5: they have leverage. If they lose a leverage, different story.
19:51
Speaker 5: Obviously from their standpoint, it is crucial, absolutely imperative that
19:57
Speaker 5: this is the last war. This cannot end in a
20:00
Speaker 5: way in which the US attacks Iran together with Israel
20:04
Speaker 5: in another six to eight months. They're not going to
20:06
Speaker 5: accept or be able to survive if they end up
20:09
Speaker 5: becoming part of Israel's larger mowing the lawn strategy, the
20:14
Speaker 5: same thing they're doing against Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon,
20:17
Speaker 5: but now on a much larger scale visa ve Iran. Now,
20:21
Speaker 5: how do you then get to a situation in which
20:23
Speaker 5: you have a degree of confidence that you're not going
20:27
Speaker 5: to get attacked again? Our promises from the United States
20:30
Speaker 5: going to be sufficient? Is a non aggression pact in
20:34
Speaker 5: and of itself going to be worth the paper that
20:36
Speaker 5: it is written on. I very much doubt that they
20:39
Speaker 5: will seek those different things, but that will not be
20:42
Speaker 5: sufficient in order for them to believe that they have
20:45
Speaker 5: managed to prevent future attacks. Rather, it's going to be
20:48
Speaker 5: two other things. One, they want this war to be
20:51
Speaker 5: as costly as possible, so that it will simply be
20:55
Speaker 5: absolutely clear to the US and to Israel that it
20:58
Speaker 5: is not worth restarting this. So it was a mistake
21:00
Speaker 5: starting it, it will be a mistake restarting it. That's
21:03
Speaker 5: point number one. Point number two is that they need
21:07
Speaker 5: that sanctions relief to rebuild themselves, and rebuilding themselves is
21:11
Speaker 5: going to be essential in order to have the deterrence
21:15
Speaker 5: against the US and Israel attacking again. If they don't
21:18
Speaker 5: have sanctions relief after this war, it will be in
21:21
Speaker 5: a state of continuous weakening. And it is precisely the
21:24
Speaker 5: perception of them being weak that created this false window
21:29
Speaker 5: of opportunity to attack youron. So unless they get the
21:32
Speaker 5: sanctions relief so they can actually rebuild themselves and have
21:35
Speaker 5: a deterrence, they believe they will be attacked again. So
21:37
Speaker 5: I don't see them backing down from the point of
21:40
Speaker 5: asking for sanctions relief. It's not just because of economic reasons.
21:44
Speaker 5: It is because it is part of the thing that
21:46
Speaker 5: gives a non aggression pack some actual basis and meat
21:50
Speaker 5: to it. And as a result, I just don't see
21:53
Speaker 5: them backing down from that point unless they lose their
21:55
Speaker 5: blood bage.
21:56
Speaker 1: The other problems.
21:57
Speaker 3: We have not talked about Israel once in this entire equation,
22:00
Speaker 3: and there are a huge you know, they precipitate much
22:03
Speaker 3: of the violence that's actually even been happening, some of
22:05
Speaker 3: the most egregious strikes. So how can the Iranians, frankly,
22:10
Speaker 3: how can even the Americans at this point the people
22:13
Speaker 3: have any faith that our government would restrain belligerent Israeli
22:17
Speaker 3: action in any sort of a deal. Like, if you're Iran,
22:21
Speaker 3: you don't just have to worry about the United States
22:23
Speaker 3: bombing you, you have to worry about Israel. And for example,
22:25
Speaker 3: we have a list of some of the demands that
22:27
Speaker 3: we're circulating this weekend. Can we put what is it
22:30
Speaker 3: A seven, please up on the screen? So these are
22:33
Speaker 3: some of the demands that were going around this weekend
22:36
Speaker 3: of what some Iranian commitments. They would have to agree
22:38
Speaker 3: to no missile program for five years.
22:41
Speaker 1: I mean that alone. Imagine you're in a war and.
22:44
Speaker 3: Somebody says, hey, to end the war, you have to
22:45
Speaker 3: give up all your bullets for five years, Like, well,
22:48
Speaker 3: maybe I'd be better off just firing all my bullets.
22:51
Speaker 3: Number two zero uranium enrichment, decommissioning of nuclear reactors, arms
22:56
Speaker 3: control treaties with regional countries, no financing for regional proxies,
23:00
Speaker 3: strict outside observation protocols around the creation and use of
23:03
Speaker 3: a centerfuge. Notably, no word of sanctions relief. I mean,
23:07
Speaker 3: do you see any world where this country, whose only
23:11
Speaker 3: reasonable deterrent is missiles, would be even willing to give
23:15
Speaker 3: up their missiles for five years?
23:18
Speaker 1: What can we possibly give.
23:19
Speaker 5: Them to do that? This is absolutely not going to
23:23
Speaker 5: take place. And that is the intents behind these demands.
23:28
Speaker 5: I suspect that they actually originally come from israel Is
23:31
Speaker 5: to make sure that there is no deal. Just as
23:33
Speaker 5: much as zero and richment and all of those different
23:35
Speaker 5: demands coming from the Israelis side, we're designed to make
23:39
Speaker 5: sure that they sawbotage Trump's previous diplomacy and guaranteed war.
23:43
Speaker 5: This is a list of demands, at least the first
23:46
Speaker 5: three points that are designed to make sure that there
23:48
Speaker 5: will be no ceasefire, there will be no end to
23:51
Speaker 5: the war, and these Raelis get what they're looking for,
23:53
Speaker 5: which is as prolonged war as possible in order to
23:57
Speaker 5: completely eliminate and destroy Iran's industrial base, to ensure that
24:03
Speaker 5: the balance of powerships dramatically in Israel's direction, and that
24:07
Speaker 5: Israel will not have to worry about Iran ever. Posing
24:10
Speaker 5: a challenge to Israel's designs for hegemony for the next
24:13
Speaker 5: three to four decades, and to have that achieved, regardless
24:18
Speaker 5: of what the cost is to the global economy, to
24:21
Speaker 5: the energy markets, to regional stability, and to Trump's presidency.
24:26
Speaker 5: That is the Israeli goal, and they will achieve that
24:28
Speaker 5: by putting forward demands that are completely nonstarters.
24:33
Speaker 2: I just wanted to ask you directly about this. So
24:35
Speaker 2: there's obviously two complaining, two competing claims here.
24:38
Speaker 4: This morning.
24:38
Speaker 2: Trump is saying, oh, these talks are ongoing and they're
24:41
Speaker 2: very constructive, and the Ranis are saying, we have no
24:43
Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about.
24:44
Speaker 4: There are no talks. We don't want any talks.
24:47
Speaker 2: You know, do you have any insight or what would
24:49
Speaker 2: be your instinct of who is telling the truth there?
24:52
Speaker 4: In that exchange, I.
24:55
Speaker 5: Know in previous instances in which the administration said that
24:58
Speaker 5: there were no talks and the other that there were
25:01
Speaker 5: talks in the Iranians said that there were no talks, that
25:04
Speaker 5: the administration was not being truthful there, that there were
25:07
Speaker 5: actually no Now, the administration may have sent messages, they
25:09
Speaker 5: never got any responses. They may define talks as them talking,
25:13
Speaker 5: but reality is that they are no responses from the
25:16
Speaker 5: Iranian side. And I don't believe that there have been
25:19
Speaker 5: any responses on this in this specific instance either. But
25:24
Speaker 5: I want to go back to what I said earlier on.
25:26
Speaker 5: I do worry, however, that the Iranians may also at
25:29
Speaker 5: some point overplay their hands and not recognize the moment
25:34
Speaker 5: in which they need to cash in on whatever leverage
25:37
Speaker 5: they think they have in order to try to get
25:39
Speaker 5: to some sort of deal. I think it's very very
25:42
Speaker 5: important to understand one thing. Neither side can pursue the
25:47
Speaker 5: humiliation of the other in this situation. If they do,
25:50
Speaker 5: they're just digging themselves deeper in a hole. Both sides
25:55
Speaker 5: need to be able to construct some sort of a
25:57
Speaker 5: narrative that allows them to this war in that sense,
26:02
Speaker 5: however unlikely or you know, frankly lunacy. It may sound
26:07
Speaker 5: when I say this, but Iran and the United States
26:09
Speaker 5: are in some ways in the same boat. It will
26:12
Speaker 5: either sync together or they will roll to shore together
26:15
Speaker 5: and pursuing some sort of humiliation of the other side,
26:19
Speaker 5: which was exactly what the US did in the beginning
26:21
Speaker 5: of this war and saw the surrendery round was a
26:24
Speaker 5: huge mistake. It will be a mistake if the Vanians
26:27
Speaker 5: do the same thing. And I want to just say
26:28
Speaker 5: one thing. Remember that Ivanians humiliated the United States forty
26:32
Speaker 5: seven years ago with a hostage crisis. That was a
26:35
Speaker 5: huge mistake. It led to forty seven years of sanctions, tensions,
26:39
Speaker 5: and eventually war. It would be a huge, huge mistake
26:42
Speaker 5: at this point if they also overplay their hand and
26:45
Speaker 5: don't recognize the right moment to go to the table,
26:49
Speaker 5: but to negotiate an actual good deal, not one of
26:51
Speaker 5: these things that are just aimed at, you know, calming
26:56
Speaker 5: down the markets and prepare the grounds for the next
26:58
Speaker 5: attack during the next week or.
27:00
Speaker 6: Something like that.
27:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's why it's so difficult to see
27:04
Speaker 2: how you reach that goldilocks moment where the US is
27:08
Speaker 2: not completely humiliated, Ron is not completely but we're both sides. Basically,
27:12
Speaker 2: hearing declared mission accomplished in some way, because I have
27:15
Speaker 2: to imagine the Iranians don't feel that they've come close
27:18
Speaker 2: to exacting enough pain to serve as a deterrence, and
27:20
Speaker 2: yet they if they do that, then how is Trump
27:24
Speaker 2: going to convince a public that is already really opposed
27:26
Speaker 2: to this war that this was, you know, a grand
27:29
Speaker 2: adventure and that he came.
27:30
Speaker 4: Out on top.
27:31
Speaker 5: And add one other element to it, which is, even
27:34
Speaker 5: if you find a moment that looks right, you have
27:37
Speaker 5: to recognize that these talks are not going to be
27:40
Speaker 5: like the sixteen hour talks that it took or so
27:43
Speaker 5: to get to the ceasefire in June, because that was
27:45
Speaker 5: an unconditional ceasefire. This is going to be more complex.
27:49
Speaker 5: So the actual more time that that diplomacy may require
27:53
Speaker 5: maybe ten to fourteen days in the best case scenario,
27:57
Speaker 5: and during that period the Goldilocks moment may be lost.
28:02
Speaker 3: Totally agree, sir, as always, thank you so much for
28:05
Speaker 3: your analysis.
28:05
Speaker 7: Thank you.
28:06
Speaker 1: Trying to feel better. I'm not sure I feel better,
28:08
Speaker 1: but but what's always better?
28:09
Speaker 5: No one has said that after speaking to me.
28:11
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thanks, thank you.
28:17
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, while we're on Taco Watch, we have to continue,
28:19
Speaker 3: of course, to pay attention to the thousands of US
28:21
Speaker 3: ground troops that continue to move to the Middle East.
28:24
Speaker 3: And we have Lindsay Graham trying to set expectations for
28:27
Speaker 3: everybody here, taking to Fox News Sunday and saying, not
28:30
Speaker 3: only should the United States take carg Island, but comparing
28:33
Speaker 3: it to the Battle of Ewo Jima.
28:35
Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, here's what I tell you, President Trump,
28:38
Speaker 7: keep it up for a few more weeks. Take carg Island,
28:41
Speaker 7: where all of the resources they have to Britus all
28:44
Speaker 7: control that island.
28:46
Speaker 6: Let this regime down, avine.
28:48
Speaker 8: Is this going to though, take carg Island? Is it
28:50
Speaker 8: going to involve US troops on the ground. Let me
28:52
Speaker 8: let me just read you something from the Atlantic does
28:53
Speaker 8: an assessment on that. They say US troops may well
28:56
Speaker 8: take carg Island. We believe their ability to do so,
28:59
Speaker 8: but only to endure ballistic missile strikes, drone attacks, petrochemical smoke,
29:03
Speaker 8: all without a reliable means of obtaining logistical support. The
29:06
Speaker 8: result could be a grinding war of attrition. They talk
29:09
Speaker 8: about how far away they would be from recently.
29:11
Speaker 9: I'm sort of tired of all this armchair quarterback and
29:14
Speaker 9: this has been amazing military operation.
29:17
Speaker 6: God bless the fallen.
29:18
Speaker 4: But it's a difference.
29:19
Speaker 6: Let me talk about troops on the I trust the Marines,
29:23
Speaker 6: not that guy.
29:24
Speaker 9: I trust DoD We got two marine expeditionary units selling
29:28
Speaker 9: to this island.
29:29
Speaker 6: We did Eojima. We can do this.
29:32
Speaker 1: We did Eojima. We can do this.
29:34
Speaker 3: Anybody want to tell me the casualties on Eogma. We
29:36
Speaker 3: got about seven thousand killed and nineteen thousand wounded. Was
29:41
Speaker 3: that a Is that the similar stakes that are involved
29:44
Speaker 3: here in the middle of this expeditionary you know, adventure
29:50
Speaker 3: chosen excursion.
29:52
Speaker 1: Yes, not even award, it's an excursion. That's what Eojima.
29:55
Speaker 3: I mean, it's speak flu I think this is the
29:57
Speaker 3: perfect clip to show you how these individual Marines are
30:02
Speaker 3: just ponds on a chess board to people in Washington,
30:06
Speaker 3: that they use the mythology of the heroism of the
30:10
Speaker 3: past to whitewash all of the ways in the post
30:13
Speaker 3: World War two era, that their lives have just been
30:16
Speaker 3: carelessly thrown into these wars of choice and adventurism, which
30:21
Speaker 3: accomplished nothing to the benefit of the United States has
30:24
Speaker 3: bled us dry blood and treasure. And meanwhile, the individual
30:28
Speaker 3: families who either lost somebody or have somebody wounded, or
30:31
Speaker 3: whose family member was affected by PTSD, they have to
30:34
Speaker 3: deal with the records.
30:35
Speaker 1: That's why this bothers me so much.
30:36
Speaker 3: Like this Bravo, bravado chess stumping, Each one of those
30:40
Speaker 3: individual lives who was lost on Ewojima is not fodder
30:44
Speaker 3: for you to claim some of their glory in order
30:48
Speaker 3: to advance your regime change war of choice, which has
30:51
Speaker 3: now been a total and complete disaster. And I think
30:55
Speaker 3: it demonstrates how all of these service members have been
30:58
Speaker 3: treated now team killed, the two hundred three hundred who
31:02
Speaker 3: knows how many who have been wounded now so far,
31:05
Speaker 3: the thousands that are already just being moved into the
31:08
Speaker 3: region for some sort of potential operation.
31:11
Speaker 1: But that is what that's.
31:13
Speaker 3: What they're now trying to prepare the American public for.
31:16
Speaker 3: And also, by the way, I should say this, you know,
31:17
Speaker 3: Ewojima had a huge backlash here in the United States.
31:21
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't remember that time period after
31:24
Speaker 3: there was after clearly the war in Europe is either
31:26
Speaker 3: winding down or you know, there had been the armisist
31:28
Speaker 3: or whatever been signed. Well, the American public started asking
31:32
Speaker 3: some serious questions.
31:32
Speaker 1: They're like, wait, why are.
31:33
Speaker 3: We taking tens of thousands of casualties out here? Like
31:36
Speaker 3: we need to wrap this up very quickly. And the
31:38
Speaker 3: Pentagon or I guess the War Department or whatever at
31:40
Speaker 3: that time was having a lot of conversations, how do
31:42
Speaker 3: we prepare the public for an.
31:43
Speaker 1: Ground invasion of Japan?
31:45
Speaker 3: So like, even in the conflict with the most bought
31:48
Speaker 3: in US public, whenever we were taking these level of casualties.
31:51
Speaker 6: They're like, whoa.
31:52
Speaker 3: They're like, we need to hold on. They're like, what's
31:53
Speaker 3: going on here? Are we sure this is necessary?
31:55
Speaker 1: Yeah?
31:56
Speaker 3: You know, the atomic bomb ends up happening, and so
31:58
Speaker 3: everybody conveniently forgets EOG casualties and Okinawa.
32:01
Speaker 1: But it was not like that domestically.
32:04
Speaker 3: Yeah and so, and that again was a war where
32:06
Speaker 3: probably ninety percent of.
32:07
Speaker 1: The public really on board, bought in on that war.
32:10
Speaker 3: And he wants to try and recreate this disastrous type
32:14
Speaker 3: of circumstance. We talked with Professor Pape about the parallels
32:17
Speaker 3: carg Island or the Straits of Her Moves, and we're
32:19
Speaker 3: talking about Gallipoli. These are like global changing events. The
32:23
Speaker 3: Aussies still remember Gallipoli. I mean, you know, like one
32:26
Speaker 3: of my tour guys when I did a World War
32:28
Speaker 3: One battle field tour, like the one hundred years later,
32:31
Speaker 3: the descendants still come to Gallipoli to see what their
32:34
Speaker 3: great great grandfathers had to go through.
32:37
Speaker 1: I don't think we should be going about that.
32:38
Speaker 3: I think we should do everything in our power to
32:40
Speaker 3: avoid some sort of a nightmarish situation. And this is
32:44
Speaker 3: this is the problem is that they're so they're so
32:47
Speaker 3: caught into this mythost Everything is always World War two.
32:49
Speaker 1: That's why what do they say about the Iranians? What
32:51
Speaker 1: is mark living in the Oh?
32:52
Speaker 3: They're Nazis, right, everybody's always a Nazi. It's always nineteen
32:55
Speaker 3: thirty eight. It's always either Munich and our enemies are
32:58
Speaker 3: always Nazis. There's no you know in between. That's the
33:01
Speaker 3: only conflict that you're ever allowed to talk about.
33:03
Speaker 2: Reminds me which Iranian official was it that posted on
33:06
Speaker 2: Lehn like Americans remember well when General Westmoreland came and
33:10
Speaker 2: that things were going.
33:12
Speaker 1: Was a rochi?
33:12
Speaker 3: The Foreign Minister said, Americans, remember well, General Westmoreland.
33:16
Speaker 1: I'm like, Sir I.
33:19
Speaker 2: US.
33:19
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to say, sir.
33:21
Speaker 1: Sir, I wish that were the case.
33:23
Speaker 3: A lot more Americans should know General Westmoreland's name. One
33:26
Speaker 3: of those villainous military figures in US history.
33:28
Speaker 2: There's a handful of historical events that you could count
33:31
Speaker 2: on maybe most Americans were remembering or having learned about.
33:35
Speaker 4: That's that's definitely not one of them.
33:36
Speaker 3: They don't make saving Private Ryan movies about General Westmoreland. Again,
33:39
Speaker 3: literally one of the biggest liars in US military, the
33:42
Speaker 3: most villainous military.
33:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, we like to sweep that one under. Those don't
33:46
Speaker 2: get approved by the Pentagon, you know. Script to people
33:48
Speaker 2: who look at the scripts for Hollywood. Yeah, I mean,
33:51
Speaker 2: this is sick and it's disgusting, and it's also really
33:53
Speaker 2: important because this is not just some senator unfortunately. This
33:58
Speaker 2: is a guy who was extremely influential in bringing us
34:01
Speaker 2: to this point of four. There was a I believe
34:04
Speaker 2: Bloomberg did some digging into, like how the hell did
34:07
Speaker 2: this happen? And you know, all the Mark Levin's of
34:09
Speaker 2: the world. The Ted Cruz came out and also said
34:12
Speaker 2: he was really pushing in this direction. I don't know
34:13
Speaker 2: if that's true or not. How influential. He was, but
34:16
Speaker 2: he's like wanting to take credit for this right now
34:17
Speaker 2: for some reason. So you had a handful of voices,
34:21
Speaker 2: you know here in the US, and then obviously the
34:23
Speaker 2: israelis very influential as well. You had these media personalities too,
34:28
Speaker 2: and then you know, he had Trump high in his
34:30
Speaker 2: own supply after Venezuela, and all those things came together
34:33
Speaker 2: to create this horrific, horrific set of circumstances. So when
34:37
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham is out there talking, you know, he's saying
34:39
Speaker 2: these things directly to the president. The other thing that
34:42
Speaker 2: I'll say about, you know, the whole setup there is
34:44
Speaker 2: he's dismissing this analysis of like, oh, this is going
34:47
Speaker 2: to be really bad, and he's like, I don't trust that.
34:49
Speaker 2: I trust the Marines well, and I trust the military.
34:52
Speaker 2: It's like, well, the military the ones that tried to
34:54
Speaker 2: tell Trump that.
34:55
Speaker 4: This was going to be a disaster.
34:56
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how forcefully it was done,
34:58
Speaker 2: but they had wargained this down you know, years ago,
35:01
Speaker 2: especially the straight or foremost part, and we're like, this
35:04
Speaker 2: is not going to go well for us. They saw
35:06
Speaker 2: all of the peril on the horizon. But he thought
35:09
Speaker 2: he knew better and wanted to listen to Israeli intelligence
35:12
Speaker 2: instead of US intelligence, wanted to listen to Israeli war
35:16
Speaker 2: planners instead of US war planners, And now here we are.
35:20
Speaker 2: The other thing I've been thinking a lot about soccer
35:21
Speaker 2: is you know, I really was resistant to this idea
35:25
Speaker 2: that you had of like we should actually have age limits.
35:27
Speaker 4: But I am coming around to it, because when you
35:29
Speaker 4: have these.
35:30
Speaker 2: Old men, childless, old men who not just childless, like
35:34
Speaker 2: Trump is not childless. I'm talking about Bibe, I'm talking
35:36
Speaker 2: about Trump, I'm talking about the now the you know,
35:38
Speaker 2: martyred Iatola, I'm talking about Lindsay Graham.
35:41
Speaker 4: They don't have to.
35:42
Speaker 2: Live in the world that they're authoring, and they're thinking
35:46
Speaker 2: about I mean, Trump talks all the time about whether
35:48
Speaker 2: he's going to get into heaven or not. Like clearly
35:49
Speaker 2: he's thinking about his own mortality. I think Bebe is too,
35:52
Speaker 2: not Yahoo is too. And so they're willing to take
35:56
Speaker 2: extraordinary risks with the entire world because they're major concern
36:00
Speaker 2: and is like, I want to be viewed as this
36:02
Speaker 2: great man of history, as this historical figure. And I
36:06
Speaker 2: really think in Trump's case, I'm not sure he cares
36:09
Speaker 2: whether it's like for good or for evil. He just
36:11
Speaker 2: wants to be remembered. He wants to leave his mark
36:13
Speaker 2: on the world, and he really doesn't have to give
36:16
Speaker 2: a shit what's going to come after, because this man
36:17
Speaker 2: is not going to be on this planet for that
36:19
Speaker 2: much longer. It creates grave dangers, It creates a risk
36:23
Speaker 2: landscape that is truly, truly unacceptable for all of the
36:26
Speaker 2: rest of us. So I do genuinely think it is
36:29
Speaker 2: a massive problem the way these old men are thinking
36:33
Speaker 2: about their legacy and how they want to leave their mark,
36:36
Speaker 2: versus like, how do I make sure that we are
36:39
Speaker 2: considering risks appropriately and not ending up in some sort
36:42
Speaker 2: of an insane nuclear escalation.
36:43
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said.
36:44
Speaker 3: When we were talking with the treat to Parsi, he
36:45
Speaker 3: was talking he is I mean, you could tell he
36:48
Speaker 3: is very concerned that the Iranians will make a similar
36:50
Speaker 3: mistake to the US, and that we will not try
36:53
Speaker 3: for some de escalation, that they will not seize their
36:56
Speaker 3: moment which will lead to their inevitable destruction. To your point,
37:00
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an accident that the youngest president
37:02
Speaker 3: in American history is the person who got us onto
37:05
Speaker 3: a diplomatic off ramp which basically didn't exist during the
37:08
Speaker 3: Cuban Missile crisis. And you know, sorry for the history lecture,
37:11
Speaker 3: but like it is important to think this was a person.
37:14
Speaker 1: Who literally broke his back on pt.
37:16
Speaker 3: One oh nine and had to swim in the ocean
37:18
Speaker 3: carrying a wounded man, you know, who his life jackets
37:21
Speaker 3: strap in his teeth to try and save him. Now,
37:23
Speaker 3: it was kind of his fault in the first place,
37:25
Speaker 3: but whatever, The point that remains is that while he's
37:28
Speaker 3: in the situation room, he was a guy who at
37:31
Speaker 3: that time was you know, a low level I think
37:33
Speaker 3: he was like a lieutenant and he's sitting across from
37:35
Speaker 3: these generals who successfully fought in the Second World War,
37:38
Speaker 3: and he's like, they don't understand the stakes of like
37:40
Speaker 3: what it actually means to fight and to die in combat.
37:43
Speaker 3: And so for him it was so important to seek
37:46
Speaker 3: that diplomatic off ramp and to at least gamble and
37:48
Speaker 3: to try in the Cuban Missile crisis. The famous responding
37:51
Speaker 3: to the first letter, not the second letter, and agreeing
37:54
Speaker 3: to some things which were anathema to the US security establishment,
37:58
Speaker 3: the removal of Jupiter missiles from Turkey. That is the
38:01
Speaker 3: most courageous act I think in the history of the
38:03
Speaker 3: American presidency had saved the world from armageddon. I don't
38:06
Speaker 3: really think it's an accident that you had a very
38:08
Speaker 3: young person who is willing to reject the sixty seventy
38:11
Speaker 3: year old security establishment of the people who are around him.
38:14
Speaker 3: And you can see now very clearly as it's repeated
38:17
Speaker 3: now all throughout history.
38:18
Speaker 1: Yes, these older.
38:19
Speaker 3: Men, people like Lindsay Graham, people who are like Lindsay
38:22
Speaker 3: wants his legacy to be total regime change in the
38:25
Speaker 3: Middle East. He has no children and he's in his seventies,
38:27
Speaker 3: like this is it for him. He wants a Senate
38:29
Speaker 3: building named after him. There by the way, unfortunately the
38:33
Speaker 3: Senate buildings, two of them, Rayburn and Russell, are named
38:36
Speaker 3: after childless old men who their entire life was you know,
38:41
Speaker 3: the Senate. And that's fine, but like, of course, they
38:44
Speaker 3: didn't have anything to live for. They didn't have to
38:46
Speaker 3: live necessarily in the world of their making and of
38:48
Speaker 3: their consequence.
38:49
Speaker 1: Like this is really important to the ayah Toola as well.
38:52
Speaker 3: He's eighty six whenever he was killed, you know, And yeah,
38:56
Speaker 3: I mean.
38:57
Speaker 4: Jesus, oh, the a one of all of them, he
38:58
Speaker 4: showed a lot more caution.
38:59
Speaker 2: He showed a lot, and then his younger replacement is
39:02
Speaker 2: likely to not follow in those his caution.
39:05
Speaker 3: He was too cautious to start a war and not
39:07
Speaker 3: cautious enough to avoid one.
39:08
Speaker 1: I actually think he was the worst of all words.
39:11
Speaker 3: I mean, with old people, what do they do their
39:12
Speaker 3: daughter and they're in you know, they're indecisive, And I
39:15
Speaker 3: think that's really Ultimately, I really don't think he's very blameless.
39:19
Speaker 1: I think he really made a lot of mistakes.
39:21
Speaker 2: Especially while I special they should have pursued a nuclear
39:24
Speaker 2: offenses right now.
39:26
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the reality is.
39:28
Speaker 2: And as much as I hate to say that because I,
39:30
Speaker 2: you know, I bore nuclear weapons, I would love for
39:32
Speaker 2: proliferations to be rolled back, that's just not the reality
39:35
Speaker 2: we live in right now.
39:36
Speaker 1: Exactly.
39:36
Speaker 3: Last thing I do want to show everybody too, is
39:38
Speaker 3: that before the Taco it's not like the American establishment
39:42
Speaker 3: wasn't sounding very very bellicos let's put a nine here.
39:46
Speaker 3: Secretary of Scott Besson, who is somehow the war defender,
39:49
Speaker 3: on television this weekend saying, sometimes you got to escalate
39:52
Speaker 3: to de escalate.
39:53
Speaker 10: Take a listen, we are taking out their missiles, their
39:56
Speaker 10: missile systems, and the factories that build those missiles. And
40:00
Speaker 10: now are the General Kane, Secretary Headseith are leading a
40:05
Speaker 10: campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the Straits of Formost.
40:10
Speaker 8: Just to put a fine point on this though, is
40:12
Speaker 8: the President in the process of winding down this war
40:14
Speaker 8: or escalator.
40:15
Speaker 10: Again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate
40:19
Speaker 10: to de escalate.
40:20
Speaker 3: Crow sometimes you got to escalate to de escalate. Do
40:23
Speaker 3: not forget, as they covered on the Friday show A ten.
40:26
Speaker 3: Put that up there on the screen that you just
40:28
Speaker 3: had American officials telling their counterparts in Israel there may
40:32
Speaker 3: be no choice in order to launch a ground operation
40:36
Speaker 3: to capture carg Island. There could be various other schemes
40:40
Speaker 3: and plots that are afoot. There's another twenty five hundred marines,
40:44
Speaker 3: let's put that one up there on the screen that
40:45
Speaker 3: are currently on their way. They're not even going to
40:47
Speaker 3: arrive for three weeks, so don't you know this really
40:50
Speaker 3: could be a delaying action. You've got two of these
40:53
Speaker 3: marine expeditionary forces that are on their way to the
40:56
Speaker 3: Middle East. The one that's coming from Asia. They said
40:58
Speaker 3: it would take two to three weeks. That was about
40:59
Speaker 3: a week ago, so it's still on track. And this one,
41:02
Speaker 3: I think also has to sail from the west coast
41:04
Speaker 3: all the way to the Persian Gulf, which is going
41:07
Speaker 3: to take a little while. So we are in no
41:08
Speaker 3: way out of the woods here just yet. I want
41:11
Speaker 3: to make sure that we take that with the greatest alt.
41:13
Speaker 3: All right, let's get onto the nuclear section. Turning now
41:19
Speaker 3: to some very troubling escalatory things that were happening before
41:23
Speaker 3: the so called Trump Taco. Again, let's not forget that
41:25
Speaker 3: it may not be a real taco. Let's start with
41:27
Speaker 3: B one. Let's put this up here on the screen.
41:30
Speaker 3: A very strange situation with a alleged strike on Diego Garcia,
41:35
Speaker 3: attempt to strike, attempt to strike, yes, sorry, an attack
41:38
Speaker 3: on a base twenty five hundred miles away from Iran.
41:41
Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal saying it signals more aggressive military
41:43
Speaker 3: posture for the regime. Iran brings Europe into range with
41:46
Speaker 3: missiles that were fired at Diego Garcia. We have a
41:50
Speaker 3: map just to show you all exactly how far away
41:52
Speaker 3: and the distance that it would be. It would be
41:54
Speaker 3: the longest IRBM that's been that has happened so far
41:59
Speaker 3: in the war. A lot of people were using it
42:01
Speaker 3: as evidence of why we had to attack Iran in
42:04
Speaker 3: the first place, because it's like, oh my god, look
42:06
Speaker 3: at these madmen. They have long range ballistic missiles. But
42:09
Speaker 3: there are still some very strange indications around the entire attack.
42:14
Speaker 3: Let's put B two up there on the screen from
42:16
Speaker 3: the NATO Secretary General. The NATO Secretary General Mark Rutt says, quote,
42:21
Speaker 3: the Alliance cannot confirm Israel's claim that missiles targeted Diego Garcia.
42:26
Speaker 3: Where Iranian intercontinental ballistic missiles. The other thing to note
42:30
Speaker 3: is that you really are not exactly aware of the
42:34
Speaker 3: leak because you have Israel allegedly claiming the strike from
42:37
Speaker 3: Diego Garcia. The Brits have been very cagy about it.
42:40
Speaker 3: There's been some an anonymous leakage that happened to Reuter's
42:43
Speaker 3: and a few others, and people are taking it as fact.
42:46
Speaker 3: Now you could take that explanation a variety of ways.
42:49
Speaker 3: It could be the Iranians don't want to acknowledge the
42:52
Speaker 3: strike on Diego Garcia.
42:53
Speaker 1: Because likely said it would show some of the powers.
42:56
Speaker 3: That they not previously had said that, you know, had
42:58
Speaker 3: not previously indicated they have. I'm not really sure why
43:01
Speaker 3: that would be. I would want to clean it if
43:02
Speaker 3: I were them, because it shows a credible amount of
43:04
Speaker 3: deterrence strength ability to strike Europe if they wanted to.
43:08
Speaker 3: But maybe they don't want to yet open the box
43:10
Speaker 3: whenever it comes to that. The second part is somebody
43:13
Speaker 3: else did it. You can surmise who of who exactly would.
43:15
Speaker 1: Want the war and all that widening.
43:17
Speaker 3: And the third option is it wasn't a missile, it
43:19
Speaker 3: was a drone or some other sort of alleged attack.
43:22
Speaker 3: Or the fourth I guess is that absolutely nothing happened.
43:24
Speaker 3: Remember there's still an information blackout. We have no satellite imagery.
43:28
Speaker 3: We basically know nothing in the last like five days
43:31
Speaker 3: or so unless it came out of Israel Ororan in
43:33
Speaker 3: the Gulf and everywhere else. Even though there's still been attacks.
43:36
Speaker 3: The video is dried up to a trickle. They're threatened
43:38
Speaker 3: to prosecute people for tweeting out videos, so that Diego
43:41
Speaker 3: Garcia one you might have heard it. Be very cautious
43:44
Speaker 3: with that claim. There is not any real evidence yet
43:46
Speaker 3: that it's actually happened.
43:47
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that is really important.
43:49
Speaker 1: Today.
43:49
Speaker 2: The only evidence we have is from the US saying
43:52
Speaker 2: that this occurred. We have no other evidence. There was
43:55
Speaker 2: no strike that actually hit the base. You had one,
44:00
Speaker 2: this is their claim, one that allegedly like failed halfway in,
44:03
Speaker 2: another one that was intercepted. The Iranians are saying this
44:07
Speaker 2: was not us. That's their claim. And the reason that
44:12
Speaker 2: there's a good cause to be skeptical is because this
44:15
Speaker 2: has immediately given a propaganda talking point to proponents of
44:19
Speaker 2: the war who say, see, the Iranians were lying about
44:23
Speaker 2: the limited range of their ballistic missiles.
44:25
Speaker 4: See Europe is at risk.
44:27
Speaker 2: Don't you see how we can't believe these people and
44:29
Speaker 2: we had to take them out because they pose a.
44:31
Speaker 4: Threat to all of the Western world.
44:34
Speaker 2: That's the you know what, babe, immediately began pushing all
44:37
Speaker 2: sorts of you know, pro war influencers of the US.
44:40
Speaker 4: They all began pushing that talking point.
44:42
Speaker 2: And when you have this, you know this NATO dude,
44:45
Speaker 2: who is a total Trump sycophant even saying like, well,
44:48
Speaker 2: we can't actually confirm that it came from Iran. That
44:52
Speaker 2: to me was the biggest red flag of like I
44:54
Speaker 2: don't know that this really even went down at all,
44:56
Speaker 2: let alone went down the way that they're claiming it
44:58
Speaker 2: went down. So in any case, possibly Iran has this
45:03
Speaker 2: longer missile range that would be a very significant development.
45:07
Speaker 2: Or possibly this is all effectively a ruse to provide
45:11
Speaker 2: more justification for a war that is extremely unpopular and
45:15
Speaker 2: to help to cajole the European allies to get in
45:19
Speaker 2: the fight where they've been somewhat resistant thus far. So
45:23
Speaker 2: that's the reason to be really skeptical of these claims
45:26
Speaker 2: until we have anything more approaching definitive proof.
45:29
Speaker 3: And the reason why is that things are not going
45:31
Speaker 3: well for Israel right now, and there's every reason in
45:34
Speaker 3: the world to actually want to continue to justify the
45:36
Speaker 3: propaganda effort against Iran. Let's go and put the next
45:39
Speaker 3: one up here on the screen. Let's put B three please.
45:42
Speaker 3: This was a very significant development that happened over the weekend.
45:46
Speaker 3: Iran said that the US and Israel had attacked the
45:50
Speaker 3: Natan's nuclear facility. There actually have been a very limited
45:54
Speaker 3: amount of strikes ironically on the nuclear facilities across Iran.
45:57
Speaker 3: They said that the Natons Enrichment complex was targeted. This morning,
46:01
Speaker 3: we don't yet know what any of the actual damage
46:04
Speaker 3: would be. They said, quote, there was no leakage of
46:07
Speaker 3: radioactive material that was reported, and no radioactivity material was
46:11
Speaker 3: released previously had been targeted by Israel in the Twelve
46:15
Speaker 3: Day War. Now, the reason why this is very significant
46:18
Speaker 3: is because immediately what followed were massive Iranian strikes on
46:24
Speaker 3: where in Demona, where Israel's secret nuclear program is alleged
46:30
Speaker 3: to be. Let's go and put some of the video
46:33
Speaker 3: up here on the screen. I mean, this is shocking stuff,
46:36
Speaker 3: right Like, not only do you see a ballistic missile
46:38
Speaker 3: just striking deep inside, you also can see multiple instances
46:43
Speaker 3: of interceptors that were failing, not nearly the number of
46:45
Speaker 3: interceptors that originally are launched at some of.
46:49
Speaker 1: These ballistic missiles.
46:49
Speaker 3: And you can see the direct strike that happened that
46:52
Speaker 3: was able to penetrate the missile defense systems in Israel.
46:55
Speaker 3: It was immediately followed up by and let's go to
46:59
Speaker 3: B five Life here where Trey Yanks over at Fox
47:02
Speaker 3: News reported a mass casualty event in the city of
47:06
Speaker 3: Arod in Israel, where at least one hundred people were injured.
47:10
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
47:11
Speaker 11: Right now, We're here in a rod where last night
47:15
Speaker 11: an Iranian ballistic missile slammed into a residential area. You
47:20
Speaker 11: can see the amounts of destruction here. At least one
47:23
Speaker 11: hundred people were injured, according to first responders. You can
47:26
Speaker 11: see the buildings here that were on fire. There is
47:29
Speaker 11: destruction for blocks. Right now, first responders are still combing
47:34
Speaker 11: through the debris ensuring that there are no unexploded ordinances
47:37
Speaker 11: as Israeli officials arrive here at the scene to survey
47:40
Speaker 11: the damage.
47:41
Speaker 1: So there you go.
47:42
Speaker 3: That was the report there from Trey Yanks who was
47:44
Speaker 3: on the ground. I think the two of these things
47:46
Speaker 3: we could take. First of all, the missile that allegedly
47:49
Speaker 3: struck in Demona, that missile appeared to show some evasive
47:55
Speaker 3: maneuver near the end. This was according to some independent
47:58
Speaker 3: analysis that I saw. That would be some of the
48:00
Speaker 3: more advanced weaponry that the Iranians continue to have. And
48:03
Speaker 3: so what can we take away from that? So they
48:06
Speaker 3: have the ability to target a secret nuclear facility, it's
48:09
Speaker 3: exactly tit for tat. You strike us, we strike you.
48:12
Speaker 3: We're able to penetrate your air defense. We're actually saving
48:14
Speaker 3: some of our more advanced missiles which you claim ninety
48:17
Speaker 3: five percent have all been wiped out. If you combine
48:20
Speaker 3: it with the alleged Diogo Garcia attack, you actually would
48:22
Speaker 3: see a much stronger run from where we are in
48:25
Speaker 3: the last let's say two weeks before, which would validate
48:28
Speaker 3: some of the analysis that we've heard here on the
48:30
Speaker 3: show about how they had sought to wipe out interceptor
48:33
Speaker 3: stockpiles and then reserve some of the drones and some
48:36
Speaker 3: of the ballistic missiles to target very selectively. And they
48:40
Speaker 3: have the ability to secret nuclear facilities, specific bases, patriot
48:44
Speaker 3: missile batteries, SAD interceptors like any of these places, which
48:48
Speaker 3: are very pinprick strikes but designed to inflict maximum damage
48:51
Speaker 3: and deliver a major strategic message. So that's why I
48:54
Speaker 3: think these are very important. Israel very clearly is in
48:57
Speaker 3: a hurt position right now. They do not want to
49:00
Speaker 3: be in a place where their nuclear facility or their
49:04
Speaker 3: cities are taking strikes where they even had to issue
49:07
Speaker 3: an apology to the population in rod being like the
49:09
Speaker 3: interceptor didn't work, We're sorry.
49:11
Speaker 1: I mean, this is.
49:12
Speaker 3: Not what you saw in the opening days of the war,
49:14
Speaker 3: and it's clearly a sign of desperation. We know for them,
49:17
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole gengis con quote you know from
49:20
Speaker 3: BB and all that.
49:20
Speaker 1: Like, you only know which way that that's going to go.
49:22
Speaker 3: In terms of their own response, they're going to say, Okay,
49:25
Speaker 3: we have to have a total war, try and drag
49:26
Speaker 3: the US into a ground invasion.
49:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, which is why it's important to
49:30
Speaker 2: keep in mind even if Trump does want to taco,
49:32
Speaker 2: it's not only Iran that gets to say in that.
49:35
Speaker 2: It's also apparently Israel, let's go ahead and put be
49:38
Speaker 2: six up on the screen. This underscores your point about
49:40
Speaker 2: the messaging coming from the Iranians. They're claiming for the
49:44
Speaker 2: past three weeks, our operations were maneuvers to explore the
49:46
Speaker 2: weaknesses of Israeli air defenses. Today we control Israeli airspace.
49:51
Speaker 2: No one can intercept Iran's missiles. I mean, I think
49:53
Speaker 2: that's you know, obviously blustering over the top, But it
49:56
Speaker 2: does appear that as their number of launches have kind
50:00
Speaker 2: of declined to a lower steady state, they're able to
50:04
Speaker 2: inflict more damage, so more of their missiles are finding
50:08
Speaker 2: their targets now. Also important to underscore they did not
50:11
Speaker 2: actually hit the nuclear facility in Demona.
50:16
Speaker 4: Was that intentional?
50:17
Speaker 2: Was it meant more to just send a message of hey,
50:19
Speaker 2: this is something we could do if we want to
50:21
Speaker 2: look how close we're able to strike or did it
50:23
Speaker 2: miss its target?
50:23
Speaker 4: It's open question.
50:25
Speaker 2: But you know, the other thing that I think is
50:27
Speaker 2: really significant here in terms of the Israeli saga is
50:31
Speaker 2: there has been lockdown censorship in Israel about showing some
50:36
Speaker 2: of the damage and showing you know, these missiles in
50:38
Speaker 2: the sky, et cetera. Now you have you had you know,
50:41
Speaker 2: Trey Jinks there on the ground, you had Netanyahu touring
50:44
Speaker 2: some of the damage sites, talking openly about the level
50:48
Speaker 2: of casualties, et cetera. So there has been a shift
50:51
Speaker 2: in their propaganda approach, which I think is also really noteworthy.
50:56
Speaker 2: And you have to ask why what made them decide
51:00
Speaker 2: that they're going to acknowledge some of the damage that
51:02
Speaker 2: has been inflicted and acknowledge some of the civilian casualties.
51:06
Speaker 4: And we'll get to this later.
51:07
Speaker 2: We'll hear more from nat Yahoo later about like, oh
51:10
Speaker 2: my god, the civilians, which is just you know, to
51:12
Speaker 2: hear that man pretend to care about civilian life is
51:14
Speaker 2: just beyond disgusting. But I do think it's interesting to
51:17
Speaker 2: know some people are saying, well, what are they preparing for?
51:20
Speaker 2: You know, what are they trying to prep the ground
51:22
Speaker 2: for by acknowledging these you know strikes that did in
51:25
Speaker 2: fact inflict civilian damage and inflict you know, casualties on
51:29
Speaker 2: civilians there within Israel.
51:31
Speaker 4: So I think that's another important.
51:32
Speaker 3: Piece of Yeah, I mean, we're sitting in the stage
51:33
Speaker 3: here for our eventual conversation about bb later on in
51:37
Speaker 3: the show, because obviously he's making crazy claims. They're trying
51:40
Speaker 3: to widen the war. By the way, just came across
51:43
Speaker 3: the wire. Despite Trump's taco, the Israeli air forces began
51:47
Speaker 3: a wave of air strikes against Iranian infrastructure.
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Speaker 4: Sites, against Israeli infrastructure.
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Speaker 3: Shipw Israel has begun a wave of infrastructure targeting in
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Speaker 3: Iran literally after the Trump talk, so almost an hour later.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Israeli Air Force is striking Iran.
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Speaker 4: We know that because they had struck their infrastructure last.
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Speaker 6: Night last night.
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Speaker 1: Well they're continuing again this morning.
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Speaker 3: Just just to keep everybody sorry, you know, the show,
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Speaker 3: everything is moving fluid.
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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing, I mean, this is why,
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Speaker 2: like you know, they Trump loves to play this game,
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Speaker 2: and I do think it's the same game as what
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Speaker 2: Biden would play with Israel too, of like, oh I'm
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Speaker 2: so mad at Bebe blah blah blah, and over and
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Speaker 2: over again, we get the same thing, and Trump plays
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Speaker 2: the same game, and so, you know, I look, it's
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Speaker 2: possible Israel's freelancing, but I think it's more likely that
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Speaker 2: there's a coordination here where Trump wants to keep his
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Speaker 2: hands clean but still allow the damage to be inflicted
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Speaker 2: on Iran, to keep the you know, to keep the
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Speaker 2: pressure on and you know, keep uh, sort of manage
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Speaker 2: the escalation by pretending that he's innocent of whatever the
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Speaker 2: you know, the bad Israelis are doing. And oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: I'm so mad at them for doing this, But you know,
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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if they didn't have some sort
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Speaker 2: of green light er at least not a red light
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Speaker 2: from the US and these type of attacks.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, who knows exactly what's going on? Alright, let's
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Speaker 3: get to oil