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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 16) (5/9/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back in
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  to the interview given by the unnamed lieutenant to the
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  OIG investigators. Question you mentioned that you saw Epstein in
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  the conference room. Answer attorney conference Yeah, question and sometimes
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  he was sleeping. Answer it looked like he was sleeping.
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  He would lay down on the table like that question.
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  Is that normal for inmates to sleep in the conference room?
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  Answer to sleep, No, that's not normal. Most guys is
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  trying to get out, saying, hey, you need to do
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  this and do that question. Did anyone ever tell him
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  to wake up or address it? Answer? I don't think so. Question.
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  The reason I ask is like, was that a privilege
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  that was allowed to Epstein to do that? Answer? Noah,
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  wasn't a privilege. I think the being that he was
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  there from early in the morning or whatever time, the
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  lawyer is probably like, all right, let's look over this,
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  and he's probably laying and I'll wait until y'all finished,
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  and then all right, let's go. But he also gets
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  to buy out the vending machine too. At first question
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  the vending machine. Answer, Yeah, he used to get all
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  of his snacks. Question Yeah, because you weren't allowed to
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  give him food in the shoe right answer in the
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  shoe you get food? Question not in shoe answer an
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  attorney attorney conference. I was told that basically he had
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  to get his own food from the vending machines. Answer yeah,
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  question was he allowed? Would people feed him the bop
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  food when he was in attorney conferences? Would they bring
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  him a tray? Answer? No, I don't think so. I
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  don't even think that he even ate that. I'm not sure.
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  I don't even know if he even ate the Bop food.
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  He probably just ate commissary question So there is a
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  commissary he could go to. Answer Sure, you could go
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  to commissary and chee. Question No, I'm talking about because
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  eight am to eight pm he was always with attorney conference.
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  Answer yeah, so he used to get drinks and chips
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  snack food question and that's what he would just eat
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  all day? Answer? I don't know about all day, but
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  I know he'll have a Hey, make sure when my
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  lawyers come, they get his sodas and drinks and they
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  get us as chips. Question do you know anything about
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  would he eat before you would go and then be
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  afforded a tray as soon as he got back to
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  the shoe. Answer Uh, I mean yeah, but that wouldn't be.
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  That wouldn't be. That would be kind of common. That's
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  what any legal visit that we used to do. Question
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  I'm just saying, if he's seven days a week not eating,
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  only eating a bag of chips or something from eight
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  to eight pm, that seems like you'd get a little
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  more hungry than that. Answer Yeah, I don't know. I
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  don't know. I don't recall him getting a tray in
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  there though. Question I don't know if he was or not.
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  That's why I'm asking. Answer Yeah, but if he comes
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  back from there and they said, hey, that's my tray
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  from earlier, and if he was in a legal visit,
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  we would give it to him. Question right. Answer, I
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  mean that's common practice. Let's say once he left that
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  morning answer who? Question redacted? Answer okay, question once he
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  left that morning? I know there is like a sheet
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  that keeps track of all the inmates in the shoe, right,
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  they have like a bedcount sheet. Answer bad book count?
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  Question bad book count? Would that book need to be updated?
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  Answer that he left? Yeah? Question whose responsibility would that have?
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  Been answer, Uh, I don't know officers questions, So officers
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  should have updated it. Now, let's say they went in
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  at four pm count and then nine pm count. God forbid,
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  there was something off with the count. They would have
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  to pull out the bed book and verify it. Right.
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  Answer if you get two bad counts? Question two bad counts?
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  Answer yeah. Question but if no one updated the book,
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  would that be an issue? Answer? Well, if you get
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  two bad counts, you've got to a bed book, and
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  then you'll find a discrepancy. And then again, you know
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  who usually updates the bedbook count question the lieutenant? Answer
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  a morning watch because now this is the new day question. Okay, answer,
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  this person's not here. Now I know for a fact
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  that this is what I'm starting my day with. For
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  the whole day question, I was going to show you
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  one the same document you mentioned that when you were
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  working the shoe around two am, you would have got
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  the court document, right, the attorney would have brought it up,
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  or someone would have brought up the document. Answer yeah,
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  it comes up on morning watch. Question. I mean, if
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  we don't know for sure if that was the time happening,
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  who would have got the notification at two am on
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  August ninth. Answer about the paperwork, question about the court documents?
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  Answer probably internal question No one in showe. Who was
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  in the shoe at that point? Who would have gotten notified? Hey, listen,
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  redacted it's leaving in the morning. Answer uh, redacted in Thomas.
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  Question redacted in Thomas answer yeah. Question, and let's say
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  that the morning came around, the shift changed, and who
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  would have notified him they got the document they redacted
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  as leaving. Who would have notified control to keep track
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  of the fact that redacted as walking out of there? Answer?
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  And again I told you see, if you don't, it's
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  not a thought. It's not coming on my radar until
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  he gets cut off by the investigator. No, I'm not
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  saying that. But who in the shoe would have been responsible? Answer?
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  Someone in the shoe, like I said, even in watch
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  round eight. If they're saying, hey, r indeed they weren't
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  back make sure our account is right. Question. That's it.
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  I just had to clarify that. Thank you. The main
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  investigator takes over again. Question But just because Thomas and
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  redacted got that sheet, it doesn't mean that they would
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  have done anything at that time, right, wouldn't it have
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  been the next shift to get Who would have gotten
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  him ready at eight thirty? Answer? Well, depending on what time,
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  I mean, they could have done it at six. Question
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  they being answer, hey, whoever comes in at six? Hey
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  he got court? Question all right, so they would have
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  been the guys that probably getting everybody ready to go
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  to court. Answer yeah, question okay, at least giving them notice.
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  Question who was on the shift to get ready if
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  he left around eight? Answer redacted or redacted and redacted?
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  Question redacted was though? Answer redacted? Was there at six? Yeah?
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  Question okay, answer he was shoot three? Question okay at
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  six am? Answer yep. I see wait no, so I
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  see that he notified his relief, is what he's saying? Right? Redacted?
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  Was his relief at two? Question? Yeah? According to that memo?
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  Answer yeah, I mean yeah, it's one of those situations.
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  Question that's all I got. The man investigator again, okay, cool,
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  anything you got. We had a really long interview here,
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  so I apologize for that, but we do appreciate you
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  bearing with us. All Right. It's four forty six pm
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  on Monday July twelfth, twenty twenty one. This is Senior
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  Special Agent redacted, and I am turning off the recorder.
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  I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate
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  transcript of the electronics sound recording of the proceedings before
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  the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in
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  the matter of interview of redacted transcriber redacted. All Right, folks, listen,
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  We've been through how many depositions now of people working
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  at the MCC leading up to and when Jeffrey Epstein died?
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  And do any of you feel confident in the narrative
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  that we've been pitched. Do any of you feel confident
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  that we're getting the whole story? And do any of
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  you feel confident that none of these people were involved?
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  I have a hard time believing it. How are you
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  going to be so evasive, every single one of these people,
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  from Tovin Nowell to Michael Thomas, to the engineer, to
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  the warden, to the captain to this unnamed lieutenant. How
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  is it that everybody is going to be so evasive?
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  And then you're gonna blame systemic issues. Nobody's buying it.
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  And I think that the more we go through these depositions,
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  and I have more, the more you're gonna see that
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  the narrative you've been sold is far far from the truth,
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  because it's obvious that something happened in that gel cell,
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  and it's obvious that people at that facility know a
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  lot more than they're saying, and it's all part of
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  the gigantic cover up that we're seeing happen in real time.
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  How can anyone look at what happened at MCC and
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  say to themselves, you know what, it was just a
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  gigantic coincidence. All this stuff happened at the same time,
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  a perfect storm to one person, Jeffrey Epstein, not El Chopo,
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  not Diddy, not anybody else, but just Jeffrey Epstein. And
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  if that's not enough, they then serve you up this
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  soft serve of bs where they try and make you
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  believe that Jeffrey Epstein just killed himself. But I don't
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  think that's what the evidence is showing us, And I
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  don't think that there's enough evidence one way or the
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  other to be definitive when you're talking about what happened
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  at MCC. I think that the evidence leans towards Epstein
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  being killed, or at the very least being coaxed into
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  killing himself. But there's one thing that I definitely don't believe,
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  and that's the official narrative that they've continuously tried to
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  sell us. So what we're gonna do is keep punching
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  holes in it using their own documentation and their own interviews.
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  But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
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