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KILLER LAWYER ALEX MURDAUGH: CASE REVERSED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight killer lawyer Alex and murdog murder conviction reversed.
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Speaker 1: Good evening. I mean's he grace. This is crime stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: My son was in the boat wreck of the months back.
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Speaker 2: He's been getting threats. Most of it has been benign stuff.
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Speaker 2: We didn't take serious.
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Speaker 3: I know that's what it is for Mosall Roads. I
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Speaker 3: need my wife and Tom. Okay, you said forty seven, sir,
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Speaker 3: you said forty one, forty seven, Model Rohdelican. Yes, sir,
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Speaker 3: forty one. Still on the line with me. Okay, it's.
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Speaker 4: Hello. I'm still here.
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Speaker 3: Still on the line. I'm still here. Okay, Calliston. I
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Speaker 3: have an Alex Murdoch on the line. Call us from
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Speaker 3: forty one forty seven Mozell Road. He's adviser that his
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Speaker 3: wife and child was shot. Mister Murdoch, go ahead and
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Speaker 3: taught to call us.
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Speaker 5: Seven.
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Speaker 3: Moselle wrote, I've been up to it now. It's bad.
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Speaker 1: That was all a lie, all that crying and snotting,
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Speaker 1: and I was in the courtroom when he did it
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Speaker 1: in court as well, all a lie. A jury convicted
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Speaker 1: him in a double murder. The double murders of wife
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Speaker 1: Maggie and son Paul dead shot dead, good gravy. Right
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Speaker 1: out to Jennifer Wood joining us journalists director research fitsnews
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Tell me it's not true. Yes, I predicted it,
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Speaker 1: but please tell me it's not true. Sources stating there's
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Speaker 1: a unanimous vote coming down for reversal.
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Speaker 5: That's what we've been hearing. We've been on standby for
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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks being told that it was imminent.
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Speaker 5: So we're just waiting for the official word from the
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Speaker 5: Supreme Court. But I think it is true. I think
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Speaker 5: we might be looking at a new trial.
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Speaker 1: And you believe it's going to be a unanimous reversal, can't.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be comfortable predicting that necessarily, but it wouldn't
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Speaker 5: surprise me.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to special guests joining us. In addition to
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood from FITS News with her ear to the ground,
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Speaker 1: Eric Bland is joining us. You remember Eric Bland from
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Speaker 1: the Alex Murdoc trial. He represented the family of another
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Speaker 1: dead victim connected to the Murdoch clan, and that would
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Speaker 1: be missus Gloria Sanderfield. Remember her. She had worked for
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Speaker 1: the Murdoch family for years decades, raising the boys working
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Speaker 1: within the home, knowing them intimately, and suddenly she goes
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Speaker 1: headfirst down some very steep steps there at Mozelle. She
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Speaker 1: died and Murdoch tried to steal the insurance money. Wait,
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Speaker 1: I think he did steal the insurance money. That said,
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Speaker 1: Eric Bland, high profile civil lawyer, knows all of these
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Speaker 1: cases like the back of his hand. He is a
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Speaker 1: founding partner at Bland Richer. Eric, what's happening?
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, we're waiting with beta breath on what
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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court is going to do. But if you're
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Speaker 6: a legal mind, you're probably forecasting that there's going to
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Speaker 6: be a reversal because Alex's Sixth Amendment right to fair
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Speaker 6: and impartial jury trial may have been compromised. We were
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Speaker 6: all surprised by the oral arguments in February, Nancy, because
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Speaker 6: we didn't think the Supreme Court would go that hard
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Speaker 6: against the former Chief Justice Jean Tole in her decision
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Speaker 6: to apply the state standard instead of the federal standard,
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Speaker 6: which requires not only do you show juror interference, but
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Speaker 6: that it had an impact on the outcome of the verdict.
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Speaker 6: We also were shocked that they went so hard at
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Speaker 6: Judge Newman for letting in the financial crimes. So even
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Speaker 6: if you weren't a lawyer, if you heard those oral arguments,
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Speaker 6: I would forecast that it's probably going to be a
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Speaker 6: four to one vote, or even like you said, five
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Speaker 6: to zero vote, that there will be a reversal. But
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Speaker 6: it doesn't guarantee a new trial. The new Attorney General
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Speaker 6: has to make that decision. And that's why our financial
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Speaker 6: crimes that we were behind got Alex in prison for
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Speaker 6: the rest of his life, in both state and federal prison. So,
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Speaker 6: irrespective if it's tried again and there's a not guilty
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Speaker 6: verdict or there's a hung jury, Alex will never get
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Speaker 6: a breath of fresh air.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me recap. Irregular people talk Eric Bland, but
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Speaker 1: let me see Bland. Yes, No, pretend you're under and
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Speaker 1: cross examination. You've cross examined a lot of people. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe that Becky Hill, the court clerk, in any
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Speaker 1: way changed the verdict to guilty.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 6: I represented six of those jurors Nancy who testified in
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Speaker 6: front of Justice Toll.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, they testified unequivocally that nothing that they heard or
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Speaker 6: saw influenced their verdict. Other than the judge's jury instructions
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Speaker 6: and the evidence, and the other five said the same thing.
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Speaker 6: There was one juror who vacillated back and forth but
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Speaker 6: was not persuasive and not credible according the Justice Toll.
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Speaker 6: But the issue is just as told did say, I
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Speaker 6: find Becky Hill's testimony to be less than credible, so
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Speaker 6: applying the federal standard, they would be entitled to a
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Speaker 6: new trial.
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Speaker 1: You did hear the part about yes or no? Eric
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Speaker 1: Bland back to you. Let me throw this out there,
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Speaker 1: repeat and regular people talk, okay, federal standard, state standard,
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Speaker 1: standard standard. This is what happened. Beaky Hill. The court clerk.
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Speaker 1: Becky Hill, the court clerk was I know her from
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Speaker 1: the trial, very nice, very confident, very efficient, never missed
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Speaker 1: a day or work her whole life. Long story short.
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Speaker 1: She would have some dealings with the jury, as court
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Speaker 1: clerks do, and according to testimony, at some point she
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Speaker 1: said something like watch them carefully on the stand. That's
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Speaker 1: not enough to its way a verdict. It's not. It's
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Speaker 1: simply not. But there was one your r and there
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Speaker 1: may have been to but I know of one that
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Speaker 1: said it affected her verdict. Now we all think it
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Speaker 1: did not affect the verdict. There's no way it affected
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Speaker 1: the verdict. But given testimony of even one's gurr that
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Speaker 1: Becky Hill affected her verdict, they've got a reverse. There's
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Speaker 1: really no way around it, is there?
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Speaker 6: Uh No, And that's applying a more rigorous standard. I
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Speaker 6: think all that had to be shown as a prima
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Speaker 6: fache evidence of that there was some interference, not that
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Speaker 6: there was an impact. And don't forget the financial crimes
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Speaker 6: they felt may have been prejudicial to the ultimate verdict
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Speaker 6: because was he convicted of murder because of the financial crimes.
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Speaker 6: I always thought he would get a new trial on
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Speaker 6: the federal level. I did not believe it would happen
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Speaker 6: on the state level, but I believe on moving.
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Speaker 1: But Eric Blan I to disagree with that because the
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Speaker 1: financial information, I mean, hold on, let's refresh everybody's recollection
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Speaker 1: bombshell right now, Alex Murdogg is getting a retrial. The
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Speaker 1: case is going to be reversed, according to sources. To
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood, journalist director Research Fits News, who's been on
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Speaker 1: this case from the very very beginning, Jennifer, the financial
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Speaker 1: the fraud, the stealing is motive because Maggie Murdogg God
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Speaker 1: rest her soul was getting a divorce. She was divorcing
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Speaker 1: this piece of crap technical legal term, and everything was
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Speaker 1: then subject to discovery. In other words, her divorce lawyers
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Speaker 1: were going to get all of his financials to determine
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Speaker 1: how much he odors alimony and a property settlement, and
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Speaker 1: then all of his theft to the tune of millions
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Speaker 1: and millions of dollars from banks, from friends, from clients,
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Speaker 1: including a quadriplegic. He stole millions. It was all going
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Speaker 1: to be uncovered. Also the night of the murders, Isn't
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Speaker 1: this true? Paul was being sued by the family of
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Speaker 1: Mallory Beach, a teen girl that was thrown off his
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Speaker 1: boat when he was driving crazy drunk, everybody begging him
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Speaker 1: to get from behind the wheel. They were suing, and
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Speaker 1: it was going to court. It was coming to a head.
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Speaker 1: So that night, because of financial reasons, Maggie and Paul
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Speaker 1: were murdered.
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Speaker 5: That's correct. That is the state's motive. It was the
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Speaker 5: state's motive in the trial. But during the oral arguments
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Speaker 5: for the Supreme Court, the justices focused on just how
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Speaker 5: much of that financial information was allowed to be presented
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Speaker 5: in front of the jury, and I think their point was,
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Speaker 5: you know, it really was a trial within a trial.
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Speaker 5: I mean, there was a lot of testimony that the
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Speaker 5: jors did not see while Judge Newman decided what to
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Speaker 5: allow in, and a good portion of what was done
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Speaker 5: outside of the presence of the jury was allowed in.
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Speaker 5: And the Supreme Court question whether or not that was
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Speaker 5: too much, whether or not they went too far?
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Speaker 1: Are they do you believe they're going to list that
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Speaker 1: as a grounds for reversal the financial crimes or just what.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if they'll list that as a ground
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Speaker 5: for a reversal, but it was a major point during
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Speaker 5: those oral arguments, So it is possible that they issued
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Speaker 5: guidance for future for future trials. You know, there's a
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Speaker 5: lot of possibilities, but that is absolutely something that the
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Speaker 5: justices were very focused on.
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Speaker 1: You know, Eric Bland, you're a fellow lawyer, a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and trial lawyers there are a whole different breed. You
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Speaker 1: cannot go into court and try case and win without
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Speaker 1: the other side coming up with a slew of claims
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Speaker 1: against you. You did this, you did that, prosecutorial misconduct
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Speaker 1: blood blah blah blah. That said, if the court doesn't
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Speaker 1: find any of those claims as grounds for reversal. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, So you're saying that a big argument
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Speaker 1: the defense made was the financial crimes should not have
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Speaker 1: come into evidence. I say it should have because that
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Speaker 1: was the motive for murdering Maggie and Paul. His whole
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Speaker 1: financial empire was going to be exposed. How many millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars did this guy steal?
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Speaker 6: He stole a total of nineteen million. We recovered fourteen
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Speaker 6: point two for our clients. We represented six of them.
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Speaker 6: And you're right, Nancy, pressure breaks pipes. That's why motive
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Speaker 6: is not anylement of murder. But jurors wanted to know
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Speaker 6: what was the motive. He decided that he had to
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Speaker 6: kill Maggie and Paul to take the focus off him
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Speaker 6: for all the financial crimes. The sadderfields the fact that
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Speaker 6: Maggie wouldn't sign the bank guarantee from Palmeta Savings Bank
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Speaker 6: when he borrowed seven hundred and fifty thousand Genie seconds,
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Speaker 6: you're coming to him on the morning of the murders,
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Speaker 6: where five thousand dollars from a settlement, and then Mark
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Speaker 6: Tinsley with the June tenth hearing three days after trying
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Speaker 6: to get his financial information. In holding him in contempt,
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Speaker 6: pressure breaks pipes. It may not be a motive that
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Speaker 6: you and I would do.
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Speaker 5: We wouldn't kill.
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Speaker 6: Our children because of financial pressure, but to a narcissist
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Speaker 6: like him, it seemed like the perfect solution.
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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment. Number one, Eric Bland, did
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Speaker 1: I not say talk? Regular people talk? And you seem
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Speaker 1: to agree, and then you throw out a Latin phrase
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Speaker 1: prima facie. I heard that. Why don't you just say
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Speaker 1: on its face? Apparently? But you have to throw around
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Speaker 1: a legal Latin term. You know how much jurors hate that,
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Speaker 1: but you just keep on doing it. To doctor Rachel
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Speaker 1: Toles joining us, a forensic psychologist, author of a book
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Speaker 1: coming out, and I can't wait for this Inventing the Psychopath. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Rachel tolds you heard Eric Bland say accurately times
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Speaker 1: ten that Alex Murdog narcissists. Actually, before I throw you
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Speaker 1: the rest of the question the question, you've got to
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Speaker 1: see him in court. And keep in mind, this is
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Speaker 1: not real, Dtor Rachel. This is all an act.
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Speaker 9: Watch a little bit here.
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Speaker 1: Murdog have one of these. But oh no, His defense
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Speaker 1: lawyers didn't want that to happen, for him to wipe
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Speaker 1: his snotty nose and eyes. They wanted him to continue
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Speaker 1: with the drama trajik. That's where our friend's at WLTV
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Speaker 1: Okay Bland is right, and Bland knows this case because
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Speaker 1: he was handling the civil inn on many fronts. Narcissist
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Speaker 1: what is that? And number two financial pressure out the
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Speaker 1: ying yang. He wasn't just going to be uncovered about
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Speaker 1: stealing almost twenty millions of dollars front twenty million dollars
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Speaker 1: from banks, lending institutions, friends, law partners, and even clients,
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Speaker 1: including the one I told you about the quadriplegic. He
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Speaker 1: stole his money millions and millions of dollars. Not just
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Speaker 1: that he was losing his homes, he was losing his wife,
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Speaker 1: and he was going to lose his law license. Because
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Speaker 1: bars state bars across and I'm talking about legal bars.
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Speaker 1: You have to be a member of the bar to
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Speaker 1: practice law. They will let lawyers get away with a lot.
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Speaker 1: But co mingling funds with your clients are taking money,
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Speaker 1: oh h double in. That's where they put their foot
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Speaker 1: down and he would have been disbarred. So mag and
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Speaker 1: Paul had to die. What is a narcissist? And why
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Speaker 1: does Eric Bland keep saying pressure burst pipes, not saying
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Speaker 1: these wrong, saying he's right, but explain this.
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Speaker 7: I actually completely agree with Blend on all these points.
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Speaker 7: So just to kind of break down in Layman's terms,
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Speaker 7: what narcissistic personality disorder is. Although I would actually say,
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Speaker 7: in my opinion, although I can't diagnose him, he has
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Speaker 7: a different diagnosis on top of that, which would be
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Speaker 7: antisocial personality disorder, which we will get to in a second.
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Speaker 7: But basically, when we look at people who have narcissistic
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Speaker 7: personality disorder, it ultimately means they're kind of a lot
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Speaker 7: of people see them as like a hollow self insight.
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Speaker 7: So it's all about presentation. They're superficial harm. There's keeping
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Speaker 7: the status, just making sure you keep up with appearances
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Speaker 7: at all costs. But ultimately these people totally self loathe,
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Speaker 7: I mean, they hate themselves diape down and so their
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Speaker 7: relationship to themselves reflects the relationship they have with other people.
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Speaker 7: But so the behavioral pattern documented across this for decades.
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Speaker 7: In this case, we see repeated deception boundary violations exploitation
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Speaker 7: of people at their most vulnerable, the people he stole
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Speaker 7: from the complete absence of genuine reckoning, with the harm
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Speaker 7: that he caused. That is consistent of antisocial personality structure. Right. Then,
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Speaker 7: of course we bring in the presentation, the charm, the status,
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Speaker 7: the way he needed to be seen, and that reflects
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Speaker 7: the narcissistic traits. So these two separatings.
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Speaker 1: Doctor, doctor, look at the video. Look at the video.
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Speaker 1: There he is crying, crying, crying, Keep watching, keep watching.
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Speaker 1: And then when in minutes tears are gone, this not
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Speaker 1: is gone, and suddenly he's scrolling through his phone sending texts. Okay,
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Speaker 1: just keep it on the video there he is, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was quick.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, because I believe that Alec Murdova has been playing
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Speaker 7: a role his whole life. He's been deceiving people throughout
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Speaker 7: his life for whatever reason. Maybe typically these people learn
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Speaker 7: as a child, you keep up appearances for survival in
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Speaker 7: different ways, getting like whatever he learned, he grew up
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Speaker 7: that way because these things don't come out of a vacuum,
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Speaker 7: So they are they develop because of various things they're
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Speaker 7: exposed to in their childhoods. And then of course traumas
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Speaker 7: and various things. But we know that when you've got
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Speaker 7: antisocial personality disorder combined with narcissistic personality disorder, that is
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Speaker 7: incredibly dangerous. It can be incredibly dangerous. So getting back
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Speaker 7: to the idea of what we see in cases like
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Speaker 7: these and why I also agree that making sure that
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Speaker 7: the financial information is on the table. In this case,
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Speaker 7: nobody kills their family just typically they don't just snap.
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Speaker 7: It's all about a chain of escalation that builds up
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Speaker 7: over years and the threat of exposure. So Alec Murda
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Speaker 7: had fourteen years at least, a financial fraud, a firm audit,
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Speaker 7: and a wrongful death lawsuit, all converging simultaneously. Like you mentioned,
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Speaker 7: his wife leaving him. Everything was about to be exposed.
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Speaker 7: So we've got all of these things. And I think
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Speaker 7: that he killed because he doesn't want to be exposed
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Speaker 7: in this way. But he also killed because in some
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Speaker 7: ways he was doing an old sleight of hand trick
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Speaker 7: distract them over here with his sob story so they
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Speaker 7: won't come after him. I mean, we see cases like this.
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Speaker 7: I can give you a few examples where we see
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Speaker 7: family annihilators that are about to have everything exposed. There's
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Speaker 7: a case of a guy named Steven Supele who had
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Speaker 7: a federal embezzlement indictment already filed when he killed his
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Speaker 7: wife and four children. There's a guy named Christian Longo
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Speaker 7: who was drowning in fraud charges when he killed his
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Speaker 7: wife and three children and fled to Mexico and created
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Speaker 7: a whole new idea. A woman named Emily long which
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Speaker 7: just happened last year, was allegedly facing a bezelmilk charges
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Speaker 7: around six hundred thousand dollars while her husband was dying
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Speaker 7: of brain cancer, and then she allegedly killed him and
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Speaker 7: her two children and herself. And then, of course Brian
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Speaker 7: Walsh is another name who was already convicted of fraud
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Speaker 7: charges of waiting sentencing when he killed his wife Anna.
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Speaker 7: So this is something we see across the board, and
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Speaker 7: that's why I think it's really important that we have
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Speaker 7: this financial information on the table because it's a chain
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Speaker 7: of escalation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to look following up on what
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Speaker 1: doctor Rachel has told us, what Eric Bland, who, by
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Speaker 1: the way, I love giving him a hard time, but
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Speaker 1: this guy wins a lot of cases, and nobody knows
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Speaker 1: this trial better than Bland and Jennifer Wood, and they're
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Speaker 1: joining us tonight. Special guest also so familiar with this case,
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Speaker 1: comes from this jurisdiction, and I thought and think so
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Speaker 1: much of her. I asked her to consult on a
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Speaker 1: book I wrote about the murder of Ellen Greenberg. Joining
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Speaker 1: us Doctor Michelle Dupree. She's a forensic pathologist, former medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: former detective with Lexington County Sheriff's Department. She is the
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Speaker 1: author of Money, Mischief and Murdog The Murdog Dynasty the
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Speaker 1: rest of the story, but for my purposes. She's the
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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and in all our
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Speaker 1: spare time. She's joining us tonight, Doctor Dupree, thank you
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Speaker 1: for joining us. Could you describe we are having a
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Speaker 1: big fight fest about this reversal for those of you
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Speaker 1: just joining us, Alex Murdog's murder convictions are being reversed. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we're starting from according to sources, back to reality. What
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Speaker 1: happened to Paul and Maggie. Describe their injuries as only
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Speaker 1: you can, doctor Dupree.
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Speaker 10: Nancy, they were brutally murdered. Paul was shot twice with
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Speaker 10: a shotgun. I mean his literally his brains were all
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Speaker 10: over the barn there. Maggie was shot at least five times,
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Speaker 10: some in the back. I mean, who does this? This
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Speaker 10: was absolutely vengeance. This was awful. This was just it's
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Speaker 10: unthinkable that someone would do this.
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Speaker 1: You know, Maggie and Paul brutally gunned down there in
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Speaker 1: the dog kennel. I believe, doctor Dupree, that Paul was
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Speaker 1: killed first. I believe that Maggie tried to jump in,
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Speaker 1: and then she and Paul was killed, and then she
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Speaker 1: tried to run. How would we determine that from the scene.
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Speaker 10: We would look at the circumstances around that. We would
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Speaker 10: look at, you know, where Paul was found. We would
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Speaker 10: look at where Maggie was found, the direction that she
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Speaker 10: was headed when she was found. And it does appear
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Speaker 10: that Paul probably was shot first and that Maggie was
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Speaker 10: trying to get to him when Alex allegedly killed her.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Maggie facing down Murdog with the only one
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Speaker 1: with the weapon and a hell of bullets, loses her
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Speaker 1: own life and then Murdog idiot placing himself at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this video now this video correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Jennifer Wood, Paul had a dog of a
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Speaker 1: friend in their kennel at Mozelle. They had a hunting lodge.
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Speaker 1: They're super rich. I think they had three homes. They
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Speaker 1: had Mozelle, the hunting lodge. Feel free to show the
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Speaker 1: photos control room for people that are not familiar with this,
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Speaker 1: the hunting lodge. Then they had their home where they lived.
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Speaker 1: Then they had a beach home. I don't know they
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Speaker 1: had any more homes. Those are just the ones I
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Speaker 1: know of. But that night ooh wow, okay, that's one
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Speaker 1: of them. That night, Paul had a friend's dog in
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Speaker 1: the kennel and the dog was going to go to
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Speaker 1: the vet, but the friend wanted a video of the
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Speaker 1: dog's tail t ai L to send to the vet.
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Speaker 1: It was a lady vet, as I recall, for her
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Speaker 1: to be familiar with what was going on. So he
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Speaker 1: had Paul and Magument with him go out to the
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Speaker 1: kennel and take a video of the dog. Right. Is
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Speaker 1: that how it went down, Jennifer Wood.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he took that video of the dog to send
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Speaker 5: to his friend, Rogan Gibson, and it was on Paul's phone.
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Speaker 5: The law enforcement. Law enforcement did not get that phone
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Speaker 5: open until spring of twenty twenty two, I believe right
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Speaker 5: before the trial started and discovered the video which had
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Speaker 5: Eleck's voice in the background. So that video was taken,
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Speaker 5: it was timestamped, his voice was in the background. It
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Speaker 5: placed him at the scene shortly before the murders.
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Speaker 1: Minutes minutes before double murder goes down. We have the video.
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Speaker 1: We're going to see it, just like the jury did.
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Speaker 1: Let's roll give it.
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Speaker 6: Get bent.
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Speaker 1: Quick, gish quick s.
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Speaker 3: The question, yeah.
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Speaker 6: Hey got burns Now.
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Speaker 9: Hey, Bubba, that's a guinea Is a chicken?
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Speaker 1: Come a cash? And right there at the end you
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Speaker 1: hear murdog. They're talking about either that dog or one
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Speaker 1: of the dogs tried to or got a guinea bird
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Speaker 1: and somebody else said, no, it's chicken. You hear murdog
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Speaker 1: at the very end. Isn't that right, Jennifer Wood?
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Speaker 5: That is correct?
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Speaker 1: Okay. All I can say is this Eric Bland technical
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Speaker 1: legal term idiot, idiot, and he thought that cell phone
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Speaker 1: would never be opened. He places himself at the murder
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Speaker 1: scene minutes before the murders go down, and then after that,
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Speaker 1: Eric Bland the digital data it's it's the nail in
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Speaker 1: the coffin because he had one of those big, huge
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Speaker 1: honk and SUV's. It had everything on it, of course,
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Speaker 1: and it had the black box that reveals every movement
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Speaker 1: when the car is cranked up, when the car goes
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Speaker 1: into reverse, when the car is put in drive, and
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Speaker 1: it shows him tearing out, peeling out, scratching off, leaving
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Speaker 1: the murder scene, flying off, and then he slows down
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Speaker 1: and it shows his passenger front seat window being electrically
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Speaker 1: lowered when he throws Maggie's cell phone out the window
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Speaker 1: and they find it there, and then he peels off
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Speaker 1: and hides out at his mother's place as an alibi idiot.
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Speaker 1: That's all I can say.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, to speak in layman's terms, it's one of the
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Speaker 6: darkest facts that he was at the kennel and for
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Speaker 6: two years lied to his only living Childbuster, that he
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Speaker 6: was actually sleeping on the couch, when in reality, he
26:59
Speaker 6: was with his Buster's mother and brother a minute and
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Speaker 6: a half before they were shot and killed. No father
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Speaker 6: would keep that fact from their only living son. And
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Speaker 6: the fact that he left to go to his mother's
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Speaker 6: without detouring and telling Maggie and Paul, I'm leaving and
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Speaker 6: going to my mom's, who were at the kennel. That's
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Speaker 6: another devastating fact, especially when you brought her back, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: to go see his father who was supposedly dying in
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Speaker 6: a Savatah hospital.
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Speaker 1: That's right. According to the evidence, he lured his wife,
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Speaker 1: Maggie to the hunting lodge that night. Chris mcdonaugh, this
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Speaker 1: case had it all, guys. Chris mcdonaugh is the director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Foundation. For my purposes, it's more
27:44
Speaker 1: important that he is a homicide detective with over three
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Speaker 1: hundred homicides under his belt. He's also the star of
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Speaker 1: the Interview Room on YouTube, where I first found him
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Speaker 1: during the Quadruple Slaves in Idaho. Chris, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight. What do you make of this reversal?
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Speaker 1: It's going to happen all over again. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
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Speaker 11: And let's I mean, let's really compress this thing to simplicity.
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Speaker 11: Within ninety seconds, Nancy, that guy from the kennel is
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Speaker 11: going to blow his son's head off with a shotgun
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Speaker 11: and then execute his wife who is coming to his aid.
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Speaker 11: And then he's going to play this game where he's
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Speaker 11: about ready to win an oscar where they cue the
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Speaker 11: snot and the spit coming out of his mouth. And
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Speaker 11: by the way, he's going to get a group of
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Speaker 11: attorneys who say, admittedly, look, he's a thief, he's a liar,
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Speaker 11: he's an insurance cheat, he's a drug addict and a
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Speaker 11: bad lawyer. But by no way is he a killer?
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Speaker 11: Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Why are you saying that?
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Speaker 11: Well, because the blame then gets shifted towards the investigation,
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Speaker 11: the malpractice of that investigation according to the attorneys, the prosecute,
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Speaker 11: you know, the prosecutorial misconduct and of course the corruption
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Speaker 11: of the elected officials and the court personnel. By no
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Speaker 11: means is it Alex Murdoch. And has he ever stepped
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Speaker 11: up and said, do you know what, I'm going to
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Speaker 11: take responsibility for my own actions. And as the good
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Speaker 11: doctor just said, that is one of narcissistic personality type.
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Speaker 4: All right, I'm going back down there. Well clothes man there,
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Speaker 4: They've been around with you ever since you've got on
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Speaker 4: the phone with me. I have multiple people coming out
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Speaker 4: there to you. Okay, can you do me a favor
29:54
Speaker 4: of mister Murdock and turn on the flashers on your
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Speaker 4: car so that way they can see where the kennels are.
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Speaker 4: Do you have your flashing bone for me, mister Murdoch, Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 4: I don't want you to touch them at all. Okay, I
30:10
Speaker 4: don't know if you've already touched them. I don't want
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Speaker 4: you to touch them, just in case they can get
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Speaker 4: any kind of evidence. Okay, I've already.
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Speaker 2: Touched them, trying to get to see if they were breathing.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything,
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Speaker 4: just in case they can get any kind of Okay.
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonnah, homicide detective, that's bs. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: a crime victim, the relative of crime victims leave the bodies,
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Speaker 1: like leave your child's body and your wife's body.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 1: Never, they're lying on them that you have to drag
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Speaker 1: them off of the dead victim. They try to jump
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Speaker 1: into the coffin jumpers. I mean, and yet did you
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Speaker 1: hear him say all right, I'm going back down there.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that he left them?
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Speaker 11: Yeah? And not only that, he watched his son's cranium
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Speaker 11: explode and hit the wall. He knew exactly what was
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Speaker 11: going on. And I hope a jury if they do,
31:21
Speaker 11: you know, get a reversal and the AG decides to
31:24
Speaker 11: retry him. I again, I hope they really recognize the
31:29
Speaker 11: totality of how brutal this man's personality is. He is
31:35
Speaker 11: he steps away to kill his family. That's that's unconscionable.
31:43
Speaker 1: You know, Eric Bland. We all noticed there's no blood
31:47
Speaker 1: on his shirt when he's in that cock car, So
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much he touched them. He certainly
31:52
Speaker 1: did not embrace them or try to resuscitate them. Look
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Speaker 1: at that.
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Speaker 6: It's inconceivable.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that that you're right. Well, put guys.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at murdog on
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Speaker 1: his body cam. Watch this secure got a whiskey fox,
32:11
Speaker 1: whiskey mic both gunshot wounds to the head.
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Speaker 2: I want you to let you know because of the scene,
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Speaker 2: I I did go get a gun and bring it down.
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Speaker 3: Here's in your vehicle.
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Speaker 8: Just you have any guns on you lean it up against.
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Speaker 2: The side of my car.
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Speaker 8: You're fine, man, you're fine.
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Speaker 11: Turn around for me.
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Speaker 9: I don't have anything.
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Speaker 8: Okay, yes, sir, I see that.
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Speaker 6: Okay, this is your wife and son.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it's bad.
32:41
Speaker 2: It's bad.
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Speaker 1: To check the pulses.
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Speaker 6: This is the firearm you brought from inside the house.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, be my guest murdog, I mean doctor Rachel.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that in between long sentences he went
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Speaker 1: really at least act better?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean again. I think he probably prizes himself
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Speaker 7: to be an extremely good actor because he's been acting
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Speaker 7: his whole life. He's been performing his whole life. He's
33:14
Speaker 7: had a public versus private self, a very extreme version
33:18
Speaker 7: of this his whole life. A man who's been lying, cheating,
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Speaker 7: stealing and getting away with it over and over and
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Speaker 7: over again is somebody who just puts on little snivels
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Speaker 7: and makes all and thinks, Hi, I did it again.
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Speaker 7: Sleight of hand trick. They're all fools.
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Speaker 1: Another thing, Eric Byan, I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 1: Almost immediately. His wife and son, their bodies are still warm.
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Speaker 1: His Pau's brain is blown out, and he's already spinning
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Speaker 1: some of the dude, did it listen?
33:53
Speaker 2: This is a long story. My son was in a
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Speaker 2: boat rick of months back. He's been getting through its.
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Speaker 2: Most of it has been benign stuff we didn't take serious.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's been getting punched. I noticed somebody, I
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Speaker 2: notice what it is?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so Land, what Mallory Beach, a nineteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl that died at the hands of Paul Murdoch. The
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Speaker 1: family what snuck over there in ninja style and murdered
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Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie. Let's follow that through to his logical conclusion.
34:27
Speaker 1: What is he trying to say, And he's not snotting
34:29
Speaker 1: anymore either.
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Speaker 6: He's trying to say that it was revenge killing for
34:34
Speaker 6: what Paul did for driving the boat that killed Mallory Beach. Look,
34:40
Speaker 6: here's the fanciful fact. Any husband and father would have
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Speaker 6: blood and mud all over them, hugging their wife lying
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Speaker 6: on the ground, we're trying to revive their son. Nobody
34:54
Speaker 6: would have a clean white shirt on in that circumstance.
34:57
Speaker 6: They would be screaming to the heavens. He was spending
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Speaker 6: a story to try to divert the attention away from
35:04
Speaker 6: him and saying that it was some kind of assassins
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Speaker 6: who came onto his property, believe it or not, Nancy
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Speaker 6: without any guns. And the idea was they're going to
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Speaker 6: break into his house and steal guns and then go
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Speaker 6: kill his wife and his kid. It's like when OJ
35:18
Speaker 6: said we'll find out who killed Ron and Nicole. They
35:22
Speaker 6: never will because they found oj he was the killer,
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Speaker 6: just like we found Alex. He's the killer.
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Speaker 1: Listen to murnag on body cam.
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Speaker 2: They are dead, yes, sir, that's what That's what it
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Speaker 2: looks like.
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Speaker 6: When was the last time you were here with them
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Speaker 6: or talk to them or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: It was earlier tonight. I don't know the exact time,
35:57
Speaker 2: but okay, I left. I was probably going an out
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Speaker 2: and a half from my mom's and I saw them
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Speaker 2: about forty five minutes before that.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I rode around with Paul for two hours this afternoon
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Speaker 2: in the pickup truck.
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Speaker 6: That's your son, Paul.
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Speaker 2: Somebody going to check him, Yes, sir, they've already checked them.
36:17
Speaker 2: They did check them, Yes, subsision that they're dead.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, that's what it looks like.
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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I'm very sorry.
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Speaker 1: Got I call her, I mean, Jennifer would He practically said, oh,
36:42
Speaker 1: thank god, they're dead. He went, oh, okay, I'm sorry
36:45
Speaker 1: and started blowing his nose. Listen, you check them right,
36:49
Speaker 1: and they are dead, aren't they? They're dead, aren't they?
36:52
Speaker 1: In other words, they can't testify that I shot them, right,
36:55
Speaker 1: And then he goes murdog is somebody gonna check him.
36:58
Speaker 1: We've already checked him, murdog. They did check them. Is
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Speaker 1: it official? They're dead? Dead, not breathing, no pulse. Dead.
37:06
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by that. I mean he was
37:08
Speaker 1: hell bent making sure they're dead. Right, he just saw
37:12
Speaker 1: his son's brains all over everything, but he wants to
37:15
Speaker 1: make sure they're dead. In other words, they'll never testify.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that phrasing has since the first time I heard
37:22
Speaker 5: that has always bothered me. It just it's just is
37:27
Speaker 5: not the normal reaction of somebody who just walked onto
37:31
Speaker 5: that scene.
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Speaker 1: Bottom line, it's official, they're dead, and it's official. A
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Speaker 1: reversal is coming down the pike. If you know or
37:42
Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding this double murder, please dial
37:47
Speaker 1: eight zero three eight nine six two six zero five.
37:51
Speaker 1: I know the number by heart eight zero three eight
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Speaker 1: nine six zero five. Why Because if this reversal is happening,
37:59
Speaker 1: as we have been told it is, the state starts
38:02
Speaker 1: from square one building its case. We remember an American hero,
38:08
Speaker 1: investigator Wayne David Metropolitan pd DC, shot and killed in
38:14
Speaker 1: the line of duty after twenty six years, leaving behind
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Speaker 1: his daughter Janita and son DeVaughn. Sentenced to Life Without
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Speaker 1: Dad American hero investigator Wayne David. Thank you to our guests,
38:32
Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us. You can
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Speaker 1: see Gray signing off for tonight. I'll see tomorrow night,
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Speaker 1: and until then, good night friend,