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Let's Talk About the Assassination Attempt · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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The news, opinions, commentary and interviews. You need to start your day
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and you're listening to the West Carrol Morning Show. Monday morning, fifteenth day
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of July. I'm Wes, thanks for joining me. A show unlike any
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show that I have done before. I've covered some sad news, some strange
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news, some tough things to cover. This one is different and unique in
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its own way. Just as a side note, I worked a long time
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on the music side of radio programming and working as an on air host.
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I was the program director of a top forty radio station in two thousand and
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one when nine to eleven happened and we were running a morning show that was
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actually not live because it was a show from the West Coast. It was
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Rick Dy's, the legendary Rich Dyes in the Morning, and he did a
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show on his station in LA and we basically ran that show the following day.
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If there was something topical in there, they might get it to us,
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you know, they needed to come in time sensitive, but overall we
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were just basically running the show a day behind. Didn't really have a huge
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effect on the content because of the type of show that he did well.
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As the planes were crashing into the World Trade Center, and the realization was
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coming in that this was more than just oops, someone crashed a plane into
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the World Trade Center, and we started to piece together what was happening.
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We had need to break in live and cover obviously what was going on,
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which we did until we went to an all news cycle on all of our
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stations at the company that I was working for at the time, So that's
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what we did. That was the first time I had to cover live news
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of any sort of event of that caliber. Now, obviously that's a very
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significant event to jump. I don't know that I'd done any sort of live
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news weather. We'd covered you know, storms and severe weather in the area,
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and I had to do that, but I'd never had to cover a
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news story like that. And it's interesting because now, even you know,
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as recently as this past September, I heard from people who told me you're
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the one I heard about what was going on at the World Trade Center.
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I learned about those attacks from you on the air, which is a strange
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thing to know that I was the voice of delivering that message. And it's
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just kind of and I have times where I feel like I hope I did
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it justice. I hope I did it a service to the story. And
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then I also feel a little sad because you know, they will always associate
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me and my voice with what happened in the end. I hope I did
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it justice and did it well enough that it's not they're not associating me necessarily
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with the story that they're just remembering maybe that they heard it from someone who
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was trustworthy and that handled it well. I mean, that's how I have
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to approach it, and it's something that I carried with me into the news
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talk realm of radio. And then I, you know, my good friend
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Scott Miller called me one day and said I need a new morning show partner.
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Not exactly how he put it, but that's basically what he was saying
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to me. And I ended up doing that with him for a very long
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time. Not a bad person to be paired up with for a long time
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to learn that side of the business. And that's what I did for a
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long time. And then in twenty twenty I ended up doing the show by
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myself, covering COVID in the election and all of the things that I think
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in some way I had the crash course in learning in two thousand and one
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certainly feel like they were there. So now we have what happened over the
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weekend, which was an attempted assassination on a former US president who is running
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for president in this election cycle, Donald Trump. And I'm not going to
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necessarily make this a big news segment. You've probably heard and you've probably seen,
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but former President Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania was shot in the ear
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by what, at most recent accounts here a lone gunman who had climbed onto
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the roof of a nearby building and took shots at the former president. We're
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learning more information about exactly what happened. We're learning a little bit more about
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the shooter, Thomas Crooks. He's had some of his former schoolmates, I
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guess, come out and say he was a loaner, he was bullied,
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he always seemed a little bit off. We've heard that the gun was legally
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purchased by the father of Thomas Crooks, and that he got the gun and
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he used it. This all happened in Pennsylvania, by the way, a
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state that has you know, it's a blue state for the most part.
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In most cases, occasionally politically it might sway the other way, but for
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the most part of Blue state strict gun laws. So I was curious to
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know how quickly. And I haven't specifically other than sort of people posting on
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social media a little bit about gun laws and things, but I remember thinking
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that this is a state it shouldn't have been easy to get a gun.
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Obviously, the way that this guy got the gun, as we learned and
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what we've heard, is that it was all through legal means, So nothing
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necessarily jumps out at us from that standpoint, although people will ultimately start making
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more and more of this about. I think we're going to hear more about
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gun control and things. There's been some of that talk, but not a
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lot. I haven't seen a lot of it from anyone in a political standpoint,
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But anyway, I have been trying to fully process what we all saw,
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and I think everyone has been, so just a few things that I
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would like to talk about. I have been saying for a very long time
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that the political, hateful rhetoric that we have been witnessing is dangerous. I
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just did shows about this, and I told you in a previous show.
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I think it was early last week that when people say, you know,
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oh, it's too bad candidates. We got too bad candidates. And it's
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been to me, it's been a lot of people on the left saying it's
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too bad candidates because they don't they're not excited about Biden. They're not excited
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about him as a candidate, and he because he's not exciting, he's driven
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people to just sort of frustration, and they just say, why do they
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both? Why does Trump have to be the candidate? We've got too bad
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candidates? And I told you then, it doesn't matter who the candidate is.
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On the right, they're the worst person ever, the worst human being
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to ever exist. They're evil. We've gone through this. We've gone through
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this with past candidates. Remember when Marco Rubio gave a speech after a State
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of the Union and they said, he, oh, he drinks too much
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water. I mean, the things that we have decided to single out on
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politicians as a means of making fun of them, it's despicable. The rhetoric,
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the conversation. Trump has been called Hitler, he's been called the second
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coming of Hitler. He's been called a fascist, he's been called a Nazi.
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The current administration's campaign ads that they pulled were talking about how he wants
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to be a dictator on day one, and how he's a threat to democracy,
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he's going to end America as we know it. All these sorts of
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things, and any of these things out in the ether, out in the
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world could trigger someone who was bullied, someone who was marginalized, someone who's
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not quite all there description that we've gotten, And I don't want to assume
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motive until this has really been vetted properly, but it doesn't take a lot
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for someone that's you know, mental health is a real problem. I don't
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know the status of the mental health of this guy other than what we've heard
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from some of the people who knew him growing up, and it sounds like
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not a lot of people knew him well. I heard one report say that
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when he walked at graduation, there was just a smattering of applause and everybody
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else got thunderous applause or whatever. So it sounds like someone who maybe had
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a tough life for different reasons, and mental health may very well have been
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a factor in all of this. And as we hear, you know,
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save the democracy, save the country, save America. You know, can't
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let Donald Trump win. I just know that if this sort of thing was
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reversed, the rhetoric from the right would be challenged. They would say,
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can you believe that people were saying that Joe Biden is a threat to America
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and a threat to democracy? And now the rhetoric from the right hasn't been
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completely squeaky clean. But we haven't heard you know, you're a Nazi.
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We haven't heard you're hitler, we haven't heard that you're fascist, specifically you
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know about Joe Biden at least. So that's the position we've put ourselves in
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as a nation. And that's the point where, yes, we have to
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hit the reset button on that. We have to remind ourselves that the people
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who disagree with us on basic things are still people, even the politicians.
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It can't be this constant hatred, this constant vitriol, this constant disgust for
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one another because they don't agree with us. Now left right now at least
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is calling for an end to all that. Let's have some civility, Let's
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bring it back. And honestly, you know, I do this show,
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you know where my leanings are. But I call things like I see it.
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I've called out Republicans for things, but the lion's share of this kind
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of talk has been coming from the left. Trump isn't completely clean of all
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of it. I understand that he's definitely said things even in his primaries about
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other candidates, and now it was a little different eight years ago than it
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was this time, but he's done some of those things. He said things
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that you know, I thought, man, I can't believe he just said
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that. I can't believe he said that about Ted Cruz, his dad,
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or his wife, for those sorts of things. I mean, it's just
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it was shocking to hear some of those things. But it's not your hitler,
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it's not your evil, it's not you're at That's what we heard for
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a long time now from the left. We heard and I've mentioned this before,
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I mentioned it just the other day, but as the Ron de Santis
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star was really starting to shine and they thought, how bright can this go?
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Is he going to be the candidate for president? Is he going to
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be the one? The left then turned it into Trump as the worst person
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ever and the only one worse is Rond de Santis. And this was written
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by someone I think that thought they were being hugely clever, and it sounded
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so dumb, but it laid out for us exactly what was in store.
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The current person is the worst, and whoever the next rising star might be
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will definitely be even worse. It was laying out for us that we're never
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going to see a period where the left is going to say, well,
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this Republican on the rise, This Marco Rubio, who's a bit of a
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moderate, might really be a president for all people. No, they were
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never going to see it that way. They were never going to see Glenn
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Youngkin as what he is, someone who can appeal to folks in a really
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light blue state, but a blue state like Virginia and become their governor.
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People weren't going to see the successes of someone like Ron de Santis and say,
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oh wow, he's done great things for the state of Florida and won
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them over. They weren't going to see Nicky Hayley for what she is,
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a very accomplished woman who has an amazing resume and under other circumstances very well
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may have been the candidate for president. No, they weren't going to see
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that. They were going to see, next man up is the worst.
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It's like the opposite of the NBA see with the NBA, you say,
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Oh my gosh, Larry Bird, Aggie Johnson too, best ever. Oh,
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Michael Jordan's better. They're retired now he's better. He's the best one
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ever. Oh, Shaq is going to be the best one. Oh no,
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no, no, no, Kobe, Kobe's going to be the best
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one ever. Kobe's the best one ever. Oh my gosh, Kobe's the
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best one ever. Lebron a little bit like the old uh ooh look squirrel
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right, but it's the opposite of that. In politics. It's the opposite
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of that for Republicans, as Democrats see them as, Oh, the next
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one up's the worst. This one's horrible, The next one will be worse.
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In a few minutes, I'm gonna do my normal break. But after
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that, I want to do something for you that like normally, I do
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some kind of everyday stuff and we talk about some you know, little news
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kind of things. Today, I'm not going to do that because I have
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an interview of sorts. It's not it had to be. I can't tell
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you who he is, I can't tell you his exact job title, and
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I don't have his voice for you. I'm just going to read a transcript
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of an interview that I did with someone who's done some work alongside Secret Service.
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Can't tell you exactly what he did. I can just tell you he's
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familiar with some of what they do, and that's about all I can say.
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So I'll have that for you after the break. But before I get
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to that, I want to mention this. I've seen a handful and I
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know it's becoming more widespread, but I've seen a handful of people posting conspiracy
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theories already right out of the gate. This was the Democrats who did this.
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This was organized Trump, organized at Trump's people organized at the Secret Service,
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organized it or allowed it all these really horrible things. I'll just say
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this, and I understand the nature of the conspiracy theories. I get how
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they work. You can't disprove them, so therefore people run with them.
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You know, they're convinced that even if you say, hey, these are
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the following reasons that it's wrong, you can't solidly, you know, prove
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something negative. You can't go to them and say this, there's no way,
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because they would argue there is a way, there's a way. We
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know this story about Tom Hanks eating babies or drinking their blood or Hillary Clinton
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and all this. Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, how do you know they're
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not doing that? And then you go, well, I can't solidly prove
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that one hundred percent. You got me on that one. Jay Z and
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Beyonce and Tom Hanks just having a buffet of these you know, small children's
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blood have been tortured. You know, you got those things. Same with
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the moon landing. Doesn't matter how much you tell somebody hundreds of thousands of
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people were involved in the moon landing. If you took three people and they
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committed a crime and made a vow that they would keep it a secret,
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one of those three people inevitably is going to crack. Just by statistics.
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It's the way it works. You take two hundred thousand people, a lot
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of them are going to crack, and none of them have. It's not
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like there's this widespread network of people one hundred and fifty thousand people strong saying
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the moon landing didn't happen. It's just conspiracy theory. People. So the
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conspiracies about this, I'm just going to say it. You're disgusting either side.
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You're part of the problem. I understand you say, well, I
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should be able to ask a question. Sure, you can ask a question,
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but you have no information yet, there's nothing. You've jumped the gun
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on it, and it's disgusting. You've jumped the gun on something. No
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use of the word gun is not. You have come into something that you
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have zero information about. None. We were starting to get the information when
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it happened. There's a TV show called The Boys, and in the first
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episode of the most recent season, there's a character in it who's supposedly like
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aman satirical look at Superman. The actor who plays him wants him to be
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like Donald Trump. He thinks that's the way to play the character, and
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I guess the way the show has sort of geared him. And there's a
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scene in it where they stage an incident to make it look like the other
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side that doesn't like this Homelander character kills some people and there were people and
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I said, as soon as this happened, I mean, in real time,
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that's going to be the take. They're going to accuse this of being
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just like on the show The Boys, And that's one of the first things
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that I saw. It's horrible. There was a guy there named Corey comparator.
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He was protecting his family by shielding them when the gunshots started and he
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died. He was killed by this gunman. You can say anything you want
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to say about you don't like Donald Trump's politics, but there's nothing about Corey
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Comparator that you can say negative. He a firefighter, someone who, like
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I said, used his body to shield and protect his family, a girl,
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dad, very deeply religious, and a supporter Donald Trump. You hate
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him for that, and you wish him dead for that. Again, you're
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disgusting. You're part of the problem. Donald Trump was shot in the ear.
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Wasn't a wrestling move. He didn't rub his ear and instigate blood.
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This wasn't organized by the Secret Service. This wasn't organized by either political party,
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at least not yet. We have nothing to tell us that if that's
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where your brain went to. It does speak volumes about you. Doesn't speak
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volumes about the society. It speaks of all well, I guess it does,
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but it largely speaks volumes about you. Give it time, Let's find
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out what happened. Let's get some information. If you don't trust anything that's
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out there, nothing at all. And I understand, we have a credibility
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problem with our media, and we have a credibility problem with the media,
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who is part of why this happened, because they've been part of the group
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that has allowed people to call Trump. Some of members of the media have
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called him hitler, members of the media have called him fascist, all of
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these things. It's disgusting. You can't immediately hear Donald Trump's been shot and
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say, oh, they faked it. That shouldn't be your reaction, shouldn't
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be anyone's reaction. I mean you're allowed to. You're gonna have whatever reaction
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you want. Doesn't mean it's not despicable, doesn't mean it's not disgusting,
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doesn't mean that you don't probably need to go talk to somebody, because you
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do. That's where you leapt to immediately when it happened, is that this
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he staged this. He allowed someone two hundred yards away to shoot him in
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the ear and half an inch more. He's dead. If this person that
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was strategically this child, this say child twenty year old, certainly looks like
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a kid, this young adult. You're gonna trust him to shoot you in
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the ear and that's it, and not hit you in the eye and kill
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you that's where you're putting all of this is on that you think that that
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is more important than surviving to take that risk. Let someone take that shot.
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How many people would allow that if you knew that, you know,
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quarter of an inch. Either way this ends differently. It either completely misses
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him or kills him. But if he hits bullseye, just hitting your ear,
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you're gonna get all your wildest dreams. Would you take that chance knowing
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two hundred yards? Wind could have been a factor. Wind may have been
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the thing. And I know everybody's saying that God gave augusta wind and saved
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Trump's life. I think God saved the Republic. I think God saved what
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we stand for as a nation. I do. I think this would have
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ended much much worse. Riots. We could be talking about riots today if
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Trump had been hit in the eye. I think we could be talking about
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a lot of things today if Trump had been hit in the eye. So
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I do think, as a friend of mine said, we were that close
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from possibly losing the country, that close. And I do think God had
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a hand in that, And I'm thankful. We all should be, and
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we all need to learn to tone down the rhetoric period. Got to tone
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it down. We can't be part of this problem anymore either side. But
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I understand the right feels like we are doing this. This isn't us.
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And you know, if you're going to look at the scales on it,
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yeah, probably not not nearly as bad. But that doesn't mean you're going
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to fix it by accusing the other side of anything. So there's that.
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So we're going to take the break and when we come back, I'm going
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to do my interview of sorts where I'm going to give both sides of the
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Show right after the break. So, I have a friend who worked alongside
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Secret Service in a couple of roles. I'm not going to say his name
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because of his particular career path and what he does exactly, and I'm not
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going to be too specific in it. I'm just going to tell you that
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this is someone, this is my anonymous source, someone who knows some of
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the inner workings of the Secret Service, has worked alongside them, and he
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has some insight into the shooting and what happened, and I would like to
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share some of that, and with his permission, I want to share that
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with you because I had some specific questions about what we saw. I asked
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him about the shooting and the location of the shooter, and I asked him,
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should there have been an agent on the roof, either by protocol or
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by your opinion. His response, I'm surprised there wasn't the USSS. That's
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the Secret Service. United States Secret Service is known for coming in locking everything
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down. I don't know why that was apparently wide open. I then mentioned
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the guy on the BBC who says that he told authorities that there was someone
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on the roof with a rifle, And I said, is it possible,
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because this was my assumption when he said that he was screaming, hey,
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there's someone on the roof, and they didn't do anything. And my assumption
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was maybe local police wouldn't know whether or not there was a counter sniper on
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the roof. I've been at events. First of all, I've been at
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events where Secret Service did their sweeps. I have been I've covered presidential events.
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I had to get checked and scanned and my bag gone through and vetted
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for event. I've been at events where Secret Service was there was present,
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was close by. I have been events where there were snipers on the roof,
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so I'm aware of the counter snipers. I am. So my question
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was is it possible that it was local police that he talked to and they
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assumed that it was a counter sniper And I said, would the local police
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know where the USSS had snipers in place? His response, I'm assuming that
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that's what HAPPENEDSS aren't going to give much information to locals. They just come
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in and tell them what they need them to do. I asked, are
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the agents assigned to the candidate the same ones for the most part during the
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full campaign. Is it a team that knows each other well and the candidate
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and their team. His response, Yes, they have a specific group of
30:55
agents assigned to the detail, but they also bring in TDY support for field
31:02
offices to supplement the details. I think a contributing factor maybe shortage of agents.
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Actually, he says, COVID put hiring and training way behind for all
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agencies. Meanwhile, agents were still resigning or retiring. No one was being
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replaced. That was three years that decimated the numbers. So I said,
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how would you have reacted if you were there with him and he got up
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pumping his fist. Would that have been understandable or frustrating, knowing that he
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needed to get into the suv. His response, So, I can't believe
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they'd just let him stand there for so long. He was exposed for a
31:45
long time after he was initially shot. I know he said wait, wait,
31:49
and he wanted to stand there and shake his fist, but they should
31:52
have been moving him. I don't know specifically the USSS procedures, but I
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think he sat on the ET sets in quotes, I guess that's that's some
32:01
slang there sat on the X for way too long. So I asked this
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question because I wanted to get his perspective on the conspiracies. And I said,
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knowing human nature and our inability to keep small secrets much less big ones,
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do you think, in your opinion, it's even remotely possible that secret
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Secret Service could have been asked to participate in a conspiracy to fake a shooting
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and then never brank ranks and keep it quiet. He says, not at
32:30
all, anyone saying this was staged as seen and believed too much bad television.
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I asked specifically about that sort of cocoon that they created around the president,
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and I said, is that human shield? Dome technique that they were
32:45
using have a name. He says, no, not that I'm aware.
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And I said, was the huddle something that's trained or is it something that
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they were just doing to react and he says it's trained. They're trying to
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cover him with body arms or that they're wearing. I don't know why he
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wasn't raced off the stage though, way earlier than he was. So he
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talked a little bit too. And I'm not going to go into some of
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the very specific things that we talked about, but we talked about the fact
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that the people that are assigned as Secret Service agents are not necessarily sharing the
33:28
political views of the person they're protecting. And he says, I'm sure there
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were some people that vote Democrat that were working that day, and he says,
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nobody cares about that at that level. I appreciate him opening up to
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me about it and letting me share some of this. There's a little bit
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more that we talked about that I am not necessarily going to share now.
33:54
I may at some point and we'll he and I will probably talk more about
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this as it goes on. But I appreciate the fact that he allowed me
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to give that insight to you, because it's one of the sides of this
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that, you know, we we can't ask Secret Service agents to questions,
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but someone who has worked alongside them, someone who knows some of them,
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is able to give us a little bit of that insight. So I appreciate
34:22
him for that, and I told him, you know, to stay safe
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with what he does. And I'm very thankful that the Secret Service agents who
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were there with former President Trump did what they did. They did their jobs.
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We're gonna have questions for a long time about the people who didn't do
34:45
their jobs. We're gonna have questions about why was the person allowed to be
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so close, you know, with a rooftop that was wide open, and
34:57
they were able to just get there, you know, without How did this
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guy get there? How was he able to be there? And I understand
35:05
that leads to some questions that cause the people, the conspiracy people to jump
35:08
in and say things. But we need more information before it becomes a conspiracy.
35:14
You can't immediately start at your end result and say this is what I
35:17
want the answer to be. Now, let's work our way backwards. Shouldn't
35:22
work that way. It's like starting a trial and saying they're guilty. Now
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we're going to sit here and prove it. You know, as the jury.
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We know he's guilty. Now we're going to sit here and pick out
35:31
the evidence that they present us so that we can say how guilty he is.
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That's not the way it should work. We're gonna have questions. I
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have questions about the lady running the Secret Service. I think we have.
35:44
You know, they talk about it being a DEI higher. Is that what
35:46
happened because we know we're not necessarily getting the best of the best. When
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we start talking about DEI hires, when you start talking about people running submarines
35:58
down underwater and not hiring people that have experience because it's not an interesting story.
36:04
We went through that with, you know, people dying in a sub
36:07
underwater. When we have airlines that say we're not going to hire these people,
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we're going to hire these DEI hires. We want to not necessarily hire
36:15
the best. We want to hire people that have a story that we can
36:19
tell and we can brag about that. And that's what this administration has been
36:22
doing in a lot of ways. I don't know exactly how the woman running
36:27
this secret service got the job. From PEPSI. I know she had worked
36:31
in I guess for the Secret Service at some point before that, but I
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don't know how you make that leap back and suddenly run it. The accusation
36:40
is that it was a dei hire. Okay, well, that dei hire
36:46
is that something that's trickled down into people not knowing how to say, hey,
36:51
there's a rooftop two hundred yards way, we need to make sure someone's
36:53
on it. I don't know why there wasn't an agent there waiting for the
36:59
sniper when he came up. I don't understand that. So as we learn
37:02
more about this, we'll talk about it more. But I do think we
37:07
do need to take a moment to reflect on the ways that maybe we have
37:14
instigated and not made this better. We need to take some time to say,
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hey, have I said something that caused all of this to be worse?
37:24
I'm sure that I have. In the course of, you know,
37:28
doing a show, I make jokes sometimes. I've called Rafael Warnock Reverend Erkele,
37:35
Senator Reverend Erkele a number of times. It's done in fun. I've
37:40
met the man, nothing but respectful to him to his face. It's just
37:45
it's done in fun. I've called her other Senator John Assof jack ass Off,
37:51
also in fun. It's not meant to be negative. I haven't said
37:54
anything negative about them. I haven't in any way said anything that should make
38:00
someone hate either of those men. That's not how I feel. I don't
38:04
have hate. I used to get told often that former mayor of Columbus,
38:07
Teresa Tomlinson, Oh, your buddy buddies with her. I know you vote
38:12
her way, and it's like, no, no, we get along great.
38:17
We have great rapport with one another. We don't have the same political
38:21
views. Doesn't have to be about that. She's never been anything but respectful
38:27
with me, and I've never been anything but respectful with her. Personally,
38:30
we like each other. We just don't agree with each other on politics,
38:34
and we don't really talk about it very much. Used to invite her to
38:37
come on and talk about politics when she was running for Senate, and you
38:42
know, she understands where I'm coming from politically. We're allowed to be civil
38:49
with one another. It used to be the way we used to be private
38:52
about it. We used to not talk about how we voted. I think
38:54
we were better off that way, but we're never going to go back to
38:58
that. We're also probably never going to go back with being civil with one
39:00
another, which is unfortunate, it saddens me. But maybe just for a
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little while, we can think about that. Today begins the RNC convention,
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and this attempted assassination attempt is going to get talked about a lot. It's
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gonna get talked about a lot. I said attempt twice. I know it's
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gonna get talked about a lot. And somewhere very soon we're going to know
39:25
a little bit more about this ticket. We're going to know where things are
39:29
going for the Republican Party moving forward. And yes, today our NC convention
39:37
begins in Wisconsin, in Milwaukee, and there'll be extra security in place,
39:43
There'll be some different security measures in place, and hopefully we can pray nothing
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even close to this happens really ever again. But you know, I know
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that's a big wish. Took a long time between the Reagan attempt in this
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one. It's a long time. So the very least we can pray for
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