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[Texas] The Moonlight Murders: Texarkana's Phantom Killer · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Well, welcome, let's dis mess it for Crumb Podcast. I'm sure,
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: who was? All right? We're back this week and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to Texas.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 1: I am sure? I am sure. I had to think
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: about there for a second. You know, I've been been busy,
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  Speaker 1: been doing things. You know. Well, it's confusing, Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a confusing city because it's split between Arkansas and Texas.
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  Speaker 2: And the name.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and we have deemed Arkansas as part of the
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  Speaker 1: of course. Yes, all right, so we are going to
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  Speaker 1: Texas this week and we are going way, way way
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  Speaker 1: Okay whatever, Stu.
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  Speaker 1: Forbid you, Stu. You can still respond you need to
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  Speaker 1: of the name of it, all right, So with that, Stu,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and get into our case out
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  Speaker 1: of Texas. And this is a crazy one. I had
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  Speaker 1: never heard of this until I started researching it. This
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  Speaker 1: basic it's a serial killer that is on nobody knows.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know about him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So as part of our revamp, I guess we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be doing unsolved crimes as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll do some unsolved crimes. Do I feel like
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  Speaker 1: because we're a mystery we're murder mystery and mayhem, So
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the mystery, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: We don't do much mystery or mayhem, do we No, but.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing it. That's the intent of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast originally was we do true crime stuff, meaning we
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  Speaker 1: do current murders that have been solved, but also like
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  Speaker 1: southerns like mysteries like what is happening in the South?
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  Speaker 1: What are these like the axe Man and stuff? We
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  Speaker 1: did that one. Nobody ever solved that one. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know who that did that. We've done unsolved crimes.
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  Speaker 2: For we have so not often.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Stu, would you like to just cancel now? Would
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  Speaker 1: you like to cancel this episode? He's apparently got a
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  Speaker 1: problem with the unsolved mystery type.
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  Speaker 2: I have a problem with my colleague.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well I've got a problem with my colleague as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm filing a complaint with HR all. Right, so let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. Okay, can you just shut up again? We
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  Speaker 1: can't get away from the core humans that we are. STU,
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  Speaker 1: shut up. Let's get into this case out of Texas,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So it's Texarcana nineteen forty six. To want
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  Speaker 1: to shane the fear that settled over texts Arcana, we
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  Speaker 1: have to start with what it was like before the
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  Speaker 1: killer showed ups to Texas. Arcana is literally split by
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  Speaker 1: the state line. One side in Texas, one started side
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  Speaker 1: in Arkansas, as you can imagine because it's called Texas Arcana. Yeah. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in early nineteen forty six, the war was over, the
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  Speaker 1: World War Two. That was a big ones do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I say.
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  Speaker 1: That No two eyes wwww oh okay, yeah, So things
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  Speaker 1: are trying to get back to normal. So people are
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  Speaker 1: trying to just do something fun. So they're they're getting
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  Speaker 1: back their jobs. They're working in the rail yards, the mills.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: But the soldiers are coming home. They're trying to do dances.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to go to church socials. There there's a
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  Speaker 1: couples that are heading down Lover's Lane doing some neked
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  Speaker 1: They're just trying to get a sense of normalcy after
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: this whole war just completely shattered the whole community. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, because all the young people were going off,
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  Speaker 1: the men were going off to war. It was unknown
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  Speaker 1: what was going to happen in this country and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's finally over and they can finally get
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: back to a place of normalcy.
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  Speaker 2: Now at this time, tech Sarcana Carrot is town where
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: folks believe in minding their own damn business and living simple,
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  Speaker 2: which I can appreciate.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, we like to we live a little simple life ourselves.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can lock your door at night, or you
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  Speaker 2: cannot lock your door at night. You just don't go
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  Speaker 2: looking for.
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  Speaker 1: Trouble, and trouble won't find you.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And there was this assumption that
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  Speaker 2: if you were a decent person, big terrible things wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: come and find you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And that's how I don't live my life. I
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  Speaker 1: assume everything best.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you assume I'm trying to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm as we talk about in the Friday episode,
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  Speaker 1: I would not give you full power of attorney to
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  Speaker 1: sign for the real estate. I was like, I am
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: not the signing over all my rights. I've seen this
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  Speaker 1: dateline episode before.
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  Speaker 2: Then I give you four rights to buy this house.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: Huh when you signed for this house?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't recall, but maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: take you down right now if I still have that,
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  Speaker 1: because apparently you have to in the power of return.
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  Speaker 2: Yes you do so.
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  Speaker 1: Over about ten weeks in that spring, that assumption shattered.
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  Speaker 1: An unidentified attacker assaulted eight people and killed five, targeting
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  Speaker 1: mostly young couples in park cars at night, so when
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  Speaker 1: they were just trying to like enjoy their lives.
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  Speaker 2: To get the second base phil Bobe or something, Oh Stuart,
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  Speaker 2: what now?
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  Speaker 1: The press gave him names the Phantom Killer, the Phantom Slayer,
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  Speaker 1: the Moonlight Murderer, which personally, if I was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a serial killer, I would pick the Moonlight Murderer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd want to go with the Phantom Slayer.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you like that one because you like Slayer.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: I do like Slay.
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  Speaker 1: Now he stopped being just a criminal on paper and
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  Speaker 1: became a sort of real boogieman, which his we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about later, but his legend continued to this day, to
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  Speaker 1: this day of being the Boogeyman.
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  Speaker 2: The first known attack happened on the night of February
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  Speaker 2: twenty second, nineteen forty six, twenty five year old Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: Hollis and his nineteen year old girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like a big age difference to me, Stuart, you think,
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  Speaker 1: what maybe back then that didn't matter. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's only six years. They're both adults, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, we're one to talk, but.
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  Speaker 2: You're one to talk. You're one at I'm fine with it.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: I know you're fine with it.
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  Speaker 2: You're bringing up some nitpicky stuff now, though it seems
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  Speaker 2: like okay anyway. Mary Jean Larry was the girlfriend. They
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  Speaker 2: were parked on a secluded road just outside the Texarcana
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  Speaker 2: city limits. It was late, it was quiet, and just
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  Speaker 2: another lover's lame night for them, because evidently I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to go out there and do a little necking.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Now, out of the dark, a man appeared at
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  Speaker 1: the driver's side window with a flashlight and a gun.
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  Speaker 1: According to both survivors, he wore a white cloth mask
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  Speaker 1: like a pillowcase. With holes cut out for the eyes
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  Speaker 1: and mouth, which is absolutely terrifying. Terrifying, Like that is
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  Speaker 1: straight out of a nineteen seventies horror movie, like the.
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  Speaker 2: Old guy from Batman the Sandman that had the bag
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  Speaker 2: with the eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just like it's if you want your
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: kids to scare people on Halloween, just take a pillowcase
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  Speaker 1: and cut some eyes out. Maybe we should do that
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: with our kids. We could just be the We could
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  Speaker 1: just really creep people out next.
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  Speaker 2: This year, we'll just all go as pillow cast fans. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Now, he ordered Jimmy out of the car. Then he
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: forced Jimmy to remove his pants and proceeded to beat
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  Speaker 1: him severely in the head with a blunt object, fracturing
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  Speaker 1: a skull. So he's working on the premise of humiliating
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  Speaker 1: him by having him take his pants off before assaulting him.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's another level, Like it's not just beating him,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, take your clothes off and then I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to attack to show you how much more dominant
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  Speaker 1: I am than you.
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  Speaker 2: This is scary. I mean making out in the car
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  Speaker 2: when I was I know, we got pulled over by
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: the cops once. That was exciting.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Who nothing, Oh, stuy, it ain't me and you you
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: best check yourself before you wreck yourself. What it's so funny.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: We've been together for how long? Sixteen years? We have
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: four children, and I will still get mad.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, what do you mean I was in
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: your first love?
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is true.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our case, Mary Jean was chased into
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a ditch and assaulted. Some accounts say he told her
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: to run and then he attacked her when she did run.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like he's like toying with him, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there's another version of the story where he ordered
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  Speaker 2: her to get up and chased her down and he
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  Speaker 2: either version, both of them were left gravely injured, but
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  Speaker 2: both were still.
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  Speaker 1: Alive, and when they recovered enough to talk, they gave
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  Speaker 1: conflicting descriptions about the attacker's race and face, which isn't
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  Speaker 1: surprising given that they'd been attacked in the dark with
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  Speaker 1: a masked person. I mean, just scary, and we're dealing
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  Speaker 1: with a level of trauma. Trauma that's just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they had gone through something. I mean, the one guy
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  Speaker 1: had been asked room of his pants and then pastel,
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  Speaker 1: and then the woman had the girl had been sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 1: So they agreed on a general height around six feet
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  Speaker 1: and the mass beyond that there wasn't much for police
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  Speaker 1: to hold on to. It just wasn't cohesive their descriptions
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  Speaker 1: that they were giving.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that point, investigators thought they were dealing
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  Speaker 2: with a brutal robbery or an isolated assault. The town
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: didn't yet understand that this was going to be the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: first chapter in a serial pattern. Kara.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So about a month later everything escalated. On the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: morning of March twenty fourth, nineteen forty six, a passing
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  Speaker 1: motorist noticed a car parked on a remote dirt road
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  Speaker 1: known locally as Lever's Lanes. Do I'm gonna take you
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  Speaker 1: to Lover's Lane a little bit later. Yeah, you are
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  Speaker 1: stop stop, this is inappropriate, all right? And it was
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  Speaker 1: a nineteen forty one odesmobile inside where twenty nine year
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: old Richard Griffin and his seventeen year old girlfriend. I'm sorry,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: but you have to have a problem with that age gap.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That's a bit that's a bit much. Twenty nine and seventeen.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: What was she seventeen? About to turn eighteen the next day, Oh, Stuart.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Her name was Pollyanne, which was what.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Did she just turn seventeen the day before?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: What ironic? Her name was Pollyanne, more so Pollyanna, you know. So, Yeah,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like that age difference was a bit much.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was more acceptable back then. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: really actually feel like they've gone in the other direction
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: as we've gone through time up until this point.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Both of them had been shot in the back of
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the head. Richard was found on his knees between the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: front seats, his hands on the seat and his head
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: resting on them as though he'd been made to kneel,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and before he was shot, Polly was laying face down
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: in the back seat.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is really escalating from prior to both
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: people had survived and now both the person has killed
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: both of these people.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Investigators observed a blood trail outside the car and concluded
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that the couple had likely been attacked and killed outside
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, then repositioned post mortem. So this is another level.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: There was no evidence of robbery, valuables were still there.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It looked like the motive was purely violence, which is
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: super super scary.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody just showing up just to commit Yeah, just to.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Commitment and then moving the bodies afterwards is disturbing exactly.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: This was not a murder or a mugging that had
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: gone wrong. It was a premeditated stage murder. And because
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: there was still no clear suspect, panic began to spread
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: quietly and quickly, especially among the young people who'd been
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: doing the same thing that Griffin and Moore had been doing,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: which is making out in park cars.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They'd be out there like, oh God, we're up next,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know. On April thirteenth, nineteen forty six, seventeen year
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: old Paul Martin picked up fifteen year old Betty Joe
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Booker after she'd finished playing saxophone with her band at
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a local VFW dance. They left in Paul's car. It
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was the last time anyone would see them alive.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: The next morning, Paul's body was found on the side
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of the road. He had been shot four times, once
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: in the face, once in the neck, once in the hand,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and once in the shoulder. Hours later, searchers found Betty
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Joe's body about two miles away near a small wooded area,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and she had been shot twice.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was a very violent death for Paul
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to be s that many times indifferent area.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he was trying to get away, put
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: his hand up.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: To block himself. Yeah, don't let me forget. I want
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to come back to this because there is a scene
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: in the movie that they make about this, that they
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: talk about Betty Joe's murder and it was extremely disturbing,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't Now It was at the scene investigators found a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: thirty two caliber caliber wow caliber shell casings. Now, when
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they compare those to the casings that they found at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the Griffin and More murders, they matched same weapon, a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: thirty two caliber cult automatic pistol. That's when law enforcement
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: realized that they weren't just dealing with separate random tragedies.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: They were dealing with a actual serial killer in their
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: midst which is just insane to think about in Texarcana
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in nineteen forty six. However, just let me just say,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: we're calling it a serial killer now, but back then
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they did not. That term was not around what the seventies, Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I think the seventies or eighties that they coined that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: term for somebody who killed more than three people. So, yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: this was just unknown at that time to have to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: deal with something like this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: The fact that Betty Joe had just come from a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: band gig and Paul was picking her up like any
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: teenage boy picking up his friend after a show. Made
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: this feel particularly cruel.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were doing like wholesome teen activities right back then,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yes, they were going to.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Lover's lane, but you know, doing some necking.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: They were just doing some necking.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. These weren't people living on the margins, on the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: fringe of society. These were kids doing normal everyday, weekend things.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And suddenly an unseen person started hunting these kids doing
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: these normal things and killing them.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, taking them out in like a very cruel manner.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So once the connection between the murders was clear, panic
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: fully overtook Texarcana, which I can imagine I would be
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, this is relatively small town.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: This is back in nineteen forty six, So yes, there's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: no social media to spread the word. But let me
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: tell you what. Everybody in that town knew what was
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: going on. Hardware stores sold out of dead bolts, window locks,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and ammunition. People who had never owned guns went out
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and bought them. Now, movie theaters and cafes emptied out
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: at night. People slept in groups or moved in with
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: relatives that they wouldn't be alone. I mean, it was
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: full on panic, going from oh well just lock our
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: doors or not, it doesn't matter. Everything safe in this
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: town to like full on we're dead bolding everything, we're
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: moving in. Groups were shutting down. The town were done.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Some folks started patrolling their own neighborhoods a neighborhood watch
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if you if you will, Oh.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I do love a neighborhood watch, stew I've always wanted
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to join, when you know.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Just stay yeah at our next house here.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Strolling around found it. Oh yeah, we can't watch this neighborhood.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: This shit we live. It's nothing but debauchery going on
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: out there right now.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody was just booming. I mean it's.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Almost yeah, it's like super late at night and someone
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was just had our windows shaken with their car stereo. Yeah, midnight,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: come on, it's this, Come on, get it together, folks.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Other people drove around at night looking for suspicious cars.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The atmosphere was tense, so tense that you had to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: wonder if the fear itself might eventually cause some kind
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of vigil anti incident or an actullent accidental.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Shooting people panicking and assuming that someone's coming to get
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: them and then overreacting and like shooting somebody because they're like, hey.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Because Stu went out to get some some beer and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: cigarettes at ten o'clock.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: At night and left his family, left his family, yes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and then overreacting me like I'm going to shoot him
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because I feel like he's a suspicious.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Party, suspicious out here at night.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So the Texas Rangers, the classic are the famous Texas Rangers.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Is that is he died, didn't he?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yes? Or did he rip walker? Texas Ranger?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Okay? So they were called in to assist, along with
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: local police on both sides of the state line and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: federal investigators. They set up to decoy operations along country roads,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes dressing melf This is my favorite part, sometimes dressing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: mail officers as women. And can you imagine back in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: nineteen the nineteen forties, I mean, like today it would
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be you know, it would be probably lots of them
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: would be okay, we're doing this. But back then I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: assuming it was probably like a big pull, like hey,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the chief was like, hey, I'm gonna need you on
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a put on a wig and some and a dress yes,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and the officer is probably like, oh my god. So yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: so they dressed male officers as women and then put
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: them with another male officer dressed in like plain clothes
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to try to like replicate couples. Yeah. The one guy
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is probably like, I've been waiting for this. I can
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: make out with Bill. It's been unacceptable in this current climate. Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So they actually staged couples and they were both male officers,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and one was dressed as a female and one was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: dressed as a male to try to entice the phantom
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: into attacking them just as like they were another couple,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to try to figure out who this person was.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: But the phantom Slayer shifted tactics instead of.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Sticking to you're official pantom slay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on and on South of Heaven. Random blood from
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a lacerated sky.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so dark. It's wrong with you.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: They're just classes.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So you used to pay Okay, let me do a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: little flashback. Still used to do this to me late
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: at night, after maybe a couple of drinks. Used to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: put no, he used to put on his his iPhone
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever a Slayer song, and I was like, that's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like the devil. I mean, I grew up in a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: very religious household. We weren't even allowed to play in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: sync for God's sake. I mean, come on, Slayers sounded like.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You know what infectious grooves or suicide, don't.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Stuart, it was define you're playing devil
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: music for me. And I'll stand. I'll stand. I'll stand
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: up on that against that that you were playing devil
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: music to me, and that's.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Where and I still play it whenever.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: When I haven't heard it. I know you're trying to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: kids rock out on the one. I know you're trying
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to get that two year old, that little poot, you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: trying to get her. She's a little bit hardcore. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: need to I need to watch that one.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yes, So the Phantom Slayer did
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: shift tactics. Instead of sticking to park cars on Lever's lanes,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: he took aim at farmhouses instead.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: On the night of May third, nineteen forty six, thirty
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: seven year old Virgil Starks was sitting in his favorite
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: chair in his home ten miles outside of Texarcanis do
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: his favorite chair this is the real crime.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I have a favorite chair, I know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, you don't do something to somebody
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in their favorite chair. Okay, there's a privacy to that, Okay. Now,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: he was listening to the radio and reading the newspaper.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Behind him was a window.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: According to accounts of the incident, two shots rang out
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: from outside. The bullets traveled through the glass and into
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the back of Virgil's head. He died almost instantly, slumping
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: forward out of the chair and onto the floor. His
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: favorite chair, his favorite chair.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least, I'm not trying to be dark,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: but at least, I mean I want to be comfortable
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: before ago, you know, so at least he was in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: his favorite chair. Now, his wife, thirty six year old Katie, starved.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So I find that funny. It's like Katie, I don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that's like a normal name.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Katie.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a normal name now. But I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, back then, Katie.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You don't think Katie was a popular nineteen forty name.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: No heard the glass shatter.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: She would have been born in the twenties, I'm guessing, yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: so she was ahead of her time for the teens.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Her parents were head at the time. Now she heard
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the glass shatter. She came into the room, saw Virgil
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and ran toward the telephone to call for help. As
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: she did, the killer fired again through the same window,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: hitting her twice in the face. Katie collapsed but wasn't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: killed outright, so.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: She is surviving, mortally wounded.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: But not not thriving. Stew not thriving.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: The attacker then moved to the back porch.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Which is where we will be going after this episode, Stu,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That's where we do sitting, sipping and bullshitting by the porch. Guys,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: just embrace my porch analogy.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's nerdy.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I need you to embrace that. We are on a porch,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: we are on rocking chairs, and we were talking true crime.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Because I love it so much, I need you to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: just accept it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: With your digital marshmallow.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Your digital marshmallows, your digital porch, your digital chair, rocking chair.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: If I could, if we could record this in a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: rocking chair on a porch, I would be ten out
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of ten. I would be so happy with that. But
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The acoustics aren't right, you know, So
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: instand we're sitting in a closet, but metaphorically I am
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: on a porch talking with stew We're chatting about this
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: case with all of you, all.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our story.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, we will not get off. We will not get sidetracked.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: The killer moved to the back porch, trying to get inside,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: ripping at the screen door, trying to enter the home.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: That's extremely terrifying for Katie. Can you imagine being shot
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and then this psychopath is trying to rip through the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: screen door to get in there. To you, I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it's well r shot, I know, but I'm saying Katie's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: still alive and she's watching this person try to break
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in to.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Get she heard she heard a glass break, she walked out,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: saw her husband. No, she's been shot, face down, murdered,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and she's like, oh my god, I need help. Mince
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: she gets shot.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I know that. I'm saying, this is guy's trying to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: break in the hell. Yes, I'm saying it's completely terrifying
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: for her.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You love Virgil the whole Virgil.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Instead, we have to move on, Wow, rip Virgil. Okay,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: we have to move on. The fact is that Katie
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: is living this nightmare, this true life horror movie of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: someone trying to break in while she's injured. I mean,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, And while she's bleeding heavily, Katie somehow managed to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: get up, run out the back, and cross the highway
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: barefoot to a neighbor's house. They got her to a
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: hospital and she survived. She was not mortally wounded.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Thank god, like you said, thank God, she's got some
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she needs some therapy, but she's she's gonna make it now.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Ballistics later showed that the weapon used in the Stark's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: attack was a twenty two rifle, different from the thirty
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: two cold automatic pistol used in the previous murders. Investigators
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: still believed, based on timing and behavior, that this was
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: likely the same killer changing his method, but the new
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: weapon and the home setting definitely complicated that profile that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: they were trying to build, because I mean, most Sarah
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: killers don't really change their mo unless they're building up
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to how they really want to do it. Like you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: might see that early on killings are a certain way,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: but once they establish what gets them off, you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: they in metaphorically off, they stick to that pattern. So
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this is a completely different way to It's almost like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the person who wants to kill is just wants to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: kill like they don't care how it happens.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a weapon is?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: What the setting?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: He went from up close and personal sexual assault to
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: basically being a sniper.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're telling someone to take their pants off, what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: he beats them and stuff like that. I mean it's
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: an escalation for sure. Maybe this is how he really
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: wants to do. This is to kill in no matter
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: what means it takes, just to murder people and terrify them.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So now you've got a massed attacker beating and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: assaulting a couple in a car, a killer shooting couples
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on lover's lane, and a shooter firing into a farmhouse window.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So you have this broad area of Texarcana the same
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: season of the time of the year, possibly the same man.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And the more the pattern shifted, the harder it is
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to predict or set a trap for this guy.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to kind of predict what he's going to do next.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So authorities they interviewed hundreds of people, close to four
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: hundred by some accounts. I mean they're just they're pulling
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: at every strokes. Yeah, they're like, we got to figure
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: this out. They chased leads that went nowhere, questioned drifters,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: because you know, we always got some drifters in Texas
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that went yep, and they looked into jealous ex husbands,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ex boyfriends. Tried to build a profile from incomplete survivor memories,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: whatever they could do, from what they could they could cobble,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: from what they got from everybody who had had any
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: interaction with this person, any relationships that the victims had,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: what they could cobble together to find out who could
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: possibly be doing this, because again, this is the nineteen forties.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: This isn't you can't just like I mean, I mean,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I know they had cars back then, but it wasn't
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: just as easy as now you could like do something
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in one town.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And then they had cars for like.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Years, I know that, but it wasn't as easy to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like hop in a car and drive five hundred miles
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: in a day, you know, like it is now. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: mean they're trying. They're like, someone has to know somebody
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that's done something, and they're still probably in this town,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: this small little town in Texas.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Well. Funny you should mention that Kara. One name that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: eventually rose to the top was a fellow by the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: name of Julie Sweeney, a twenty nine year old career
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: criminal mostly known for auto theft and forgery. He'd been
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: in and out of trouble for years and was considered
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: dangerous but not necessarily a murder until his wife spelled
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the beans Kara that bitch right now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: His wife, Peggy was picked up on a separate charge,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: so she wouldn't really live in the high and mighty
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: life herself now. During her questioning, she started talking about
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the moonlight murders or a STU would call the Phantom Slayer, yes,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and with some sort of music in the background, and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: implied that her husband was responsible. In some accounts, she
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: explicitly explicitly said he was the phantom killer and that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: she had been in the car during at least one
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of the attacks.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: She provided details drink that investigators found compelling. She allegedly
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: directed police to areas connected to the Booker and Martin case,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: including the general area where Betty Joe's saxophone was eventually discovered.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: That kind of specific information made the detectives take note
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: take her seriously, at least at first they did.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, but again, she was picked up on charges, so
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: she might be not be the best reliable witness.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: To all, and she might not like her husband anyway.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: This is true, Okay, it might be ups and downs
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in that relationship.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So from personal experience, I know this kind happened, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I know you're.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Just okay now. Peggy's story shifted over time. Sometimes she
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: seemed to recant, sometimes she modified details. I'm guessing how
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: much she loved and hated her husband on that day.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Her reliable he was a major problem. On top of that,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: under Texas law at the time, a wife couldn't be
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: forced to testify against her husband.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can be forced anywhere.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can't either. I think what is
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that called there's some sort of thing where like husband
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and wife don't have to testify against each other, can't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: be compelled to get if they want to though, Yes,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: so yes, where was I still?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Without her testimony in court?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Without her testimony in court, the state had no direct
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: witness to tie Swiney to the murder. So this is
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a major issue for them. I mean, but basically all
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: they had was like possibly a bitter wife that maybe
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hates and loves her husband. Seems to go back and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: forth saying yeah he did it, and I was there
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, what are your actual evidence that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you are, like, what's your what are you backing this
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: story up with?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know, they did have his criminal record and his
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: behavioral record. Sweeney was eventually convicted as an habitual offender
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and given a life sentence for auto theft.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Kara, Listen, they would give you life for anything back then.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like, nowadays, you murdered seven people, sure we'll
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: let you out. Seems like in what off situation.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: You can go on probate, you can go out. That's fine.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Good behavior will give you bail. Now. Back then, you
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: stole a couple of cars, you were like, yeah, you're
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna You're lucky. You're not getting the death penalty. Okay,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know the death penalty.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But all these id people that keep
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: trying to do phishing emails to.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Get the Yes, they should anybody who's trying. I really
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: think there's a special place in hell for people that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: take especially senior citizens, take advantage of them and take
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: their entire life savings like they should. Yes, they should
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: be put to death, for sure. I'll support that right there.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely horrible.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Anybody that plays Taylor Swift music after stop it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: We know she didn't do the best at the wedding.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: She could have done better at the like executing her
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: wedding or whatever. But yes, that was so tacky inviting everybody. Okay,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into it. But she still
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: makes great music. And if she ever goes back on concert,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: we're going to see her. We'll be in the town.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: We'll be in Houston area where she'll definitely.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Be Well, you go, I'll be at home with the kids.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's fine, I'll bring my brother. I'll have a great time.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Oh you know who's gone on tour is Garth Brooks Again.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: We should go. That was fun. No, get back. This
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: is the this is what we're trying to avoid to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: really in. Okay, this is a sitting, sipping and bullshitting
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: type of conversation.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: It is it is. Of course, we've been going on
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: so long time, ain't that anyway? After mister Swinning was
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: locked up the Moonlight Murder stopped Kara. That circumstantial timing
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: has led many to believe that he was the phantom
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: slayer Angel of Death Monarch through the Kingdom of Oh
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Dead Lord from the album rand In blood, even though
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: he was never formally charged with homicide.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, and there was no physical evidence, no fingerprints, no
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: murder weapon linked to him, no definitive forensic tie, just
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a pattern of wife's shifting story saying, hey, I hate him,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I love him. He did it, he didn't do it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to testify against him, but yes he's
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the person.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you right now, hey done it. Yep.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: A known criminal and a killers who spree ceased when
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that criminal went away is all they literally, all they
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: have is just like, okay, the murder stopped when he
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: went away, right And you know that ain't enough to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: say whether or not he actually did. It's a big
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: jump from stealing cars to killing people. I mean that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a major just for.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: The fun and the violence. Yeah, yes. So. Over the decades,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: other theories have popped up. Some people think that the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: phantom slayer might have been a local man who was
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: never on law enforcements radar, someone who blended back into
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the town once the heat got too high, and oh
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Swinning went to jail. Others have suggested he could have
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: died in an accident or from an illness not long
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: after the last attack.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's always a probability, but probably or just
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: moved on to a different town. We don't know, Stu.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: There's also a theory that the phantom might have been
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a soldier or veteran with weapons training who passed through Texarcana,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: committed his crimes, and then, like you know, just meandered
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: on was stationed someplace else. So the end of World
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: War Two created a huge flow of people, some carrying
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: trauma obviously, I mean I can't even imagine what they
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: went through in World War Two, Some carrying skills that
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: could make them more dangerous if something broke inside them,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: if they're having mental health issues, which we're better at
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: identifying now. We know that people have gone to war
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: recently are going to be suffering, possibly suffering some those
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: types of things, and so we need to have support
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: for them. But back then that wasn't like a thing
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: at all. I mean they were they were like, fucket
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the fuck up, soldier, Okay, you need to get it together.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But really, those people, I can't even imagine what they saw,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: like storming the beaches of Normandy or anything like that,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: or going into the concentration camps and seeing what happened
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to like children and and women and all those people.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even imagine. So yeah, so they're
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: they're concerned that maybe it was just somebody who just
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: kind of broke and snapped at that time and was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: just passed through the town and had gone on to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: someplace else.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: It could be Caro. But we don't have any proof
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: for any of these theories, right to have our patterns
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and speculation, which Kara is given. The only solid things
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: are the crimes, the survivor testimony, and the fact that
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: after a concentrated season of violence, the killing stopped as
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: abruptly as they began.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: At the same time that the Swinny fellow went to jail.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's so I still want to like, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: just think it's so disturbing. The white mask, it just
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: seems so Halloween, so corror film, just so scary. So
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like a for a town like Texar, Canada. That means
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: living with the knowledge that someone did these things, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that someone never faced a courtroom, never was there was
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: nover justice served, nothing. They can't they don't have any
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: solid answers. They just have theories in their head. As
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: possibly was the Swinny guys, possibly with somebody who moved
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: on to another place. There's no satisfying answer, no official like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: hey we got them, is just lingers on within the town?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because even they're in the sexual assault stuff, they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: not gonna be like, hey, we're gonna swam this girl.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't have any of that. Yeah, so we
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just they didn't even have the inkling that that was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a possibility. You know, Like a lot of times we
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: hear about crimes in the nineties, specifically like hey we
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: heard this technology everything. Yeah, we heard this technology was
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: on was coming, but we didn't have it at the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: moment when we knew to like collect the evidence. Back then,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: there was not even like, oh, what are we going
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to do with any of this, you know, what with
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the pop can with some yeah, or what are we
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: going to do with any swabs from a sexual assault.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Ing swab a sexual assault? Yeah?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Like what is that? Sounds weird and invasive? Yes, So today,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: nearly eighty years later, the phantom killer or slayer as
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to to go on, remains unidentified. He attack, killed, and vanished.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: The town has changed in a thousand ways, but the
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: legend remains. We've been through texta kind of have we
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I think, so we passed through I've.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Been through there. I don't know I've been through there
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: with you. We haven't been through there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Went there together? I think, so, yeah we did.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: We were going to a thing in Oklahoma.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: A funeral, stew if you want to be pressing it
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: is my mother's funeral. If we want to get into it,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: would you like me to break down? No, we're not
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: going to do that right now anyway. So everything's like
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I said, the legend remains a mask, man in the dark,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a gun, and a spring when safety felt like a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: lie in that town because they originally felt very secure,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, not locking their doors just I mean it's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a small town. I mean back in the forties, I swear.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I mean. What's crazy is we're about in a couple
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of years, in like a decade and a half. We're
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: not the forties, are not going to be the nineteen forties,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: are going to be the twenty forties, which is crazy
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to me. I can't believe it's been.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That we're going to live to the twenty forties.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I will know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the Roaring twenties right now. Oh my god,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: there was flapper girls in the rock.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. They were much better twenties than we are.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, they had much better clothes.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they had much better clothes, better, much better fives,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: much better. I mean, nobody drinks these days, all the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: gen zs they say it's like down, like boo.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, you were Definitely we're tracking up for them.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to make it. We're trying to bring
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it back with our weekly poor or whatever that we'll
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: talk about in our sitting sipping and bullshitting. We have
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a recipe.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody we can get there tonight.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yes we can. We're we're gonna make it. Yeah. So
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and if the name sounds so, let's talk about what
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about earlier, about the the white
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: mask and all the creepy stuff. So if the name
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: sounds familiar about this Phantom Killer, it's because there is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a horror movie that was a filmed in nineteen seventy six.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So this is pre Halloween, which is the I feel like, well,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like Halloween is like the quintessential Halloween times
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: scary movie, the one you watch, we always watch it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this movie, so we're definitely adding it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to the lineup. When we watch our Halloween when we
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have our thirty one days of Halloween's do next Friday?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: We're celebrating you know whose birthday?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Let's do Slaers.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: No, Harry Potter.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Who's that Harry Potters.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: You've been to several locations that I've talked to him. Anyway,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy six, a film called The Town
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: That Dreaded Sundown took this story and turned into a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: slasher style movie, complete with the hooded killer stalking couples
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and text our care in it. It was directed by
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Charles B. Pearce and was based very loosely on the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: real incident, so it's a more of a spooky riff
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: on the case than a documentary retelling. However, it's very
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: close to what happened. And that's the thing with Yes.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And in that movie, Betty Joe's murder was completely disturbing.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So we did watch a scene from how they did that. Yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And apparently, from what I understand is that a film
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: crew would come in every year and play that The
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Town That Dreaded Sundown on a like outdoor type drive
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in movie theater, and then all of a sudden, like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the town was like really mad that they were doing this.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: They were like, could you please stop? We can literally
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: not get away from this story. And so we watched
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: a documentary and it was the documentary was like an
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: hour and a half long, but it was only like
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a small portion. The filmmakers were going into this town
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and then and the whole the newspaper printed out said, Hey,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: we can't get away from the story that we had
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: all these serial killings back in the nineteen forties and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: no one will let this go, that it was unsolved,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and that this disturbing thing happened in our town.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, so they even took the Betty Joe had the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: saxophone that she played at the BFW, Yes, but they
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: changed it to a trombone in the.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Yes in the movie and they had him like attach
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a knife to it and like slowly playing it, playing
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it and killing her. The Anyways, we definitely need to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: watch this movie. As disturbing as it is, we need
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to watch it because I feel like what they were
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: saying was like, this was the pre Halloween movie. This
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: was the quintessential horror movie. So, yeah, you guys need
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: to check it out if you are a horror movie buffs.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. If you like your Friday at thirteenth,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: your Halloweens.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, which we love. I love watching them during I'm
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a they call them mood readers to I'm a mood
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: movie person. I love to watch Halloween movies at Halloween time,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Christmas movies at Christmas, Valentines at Valentine's.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Die hard every year at Christmas.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It's not a Christmas it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Is a Christmas movie. Karen, Okay, yeah, it's Christmas movie.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: All right. Well that's our story for this week. Stew
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Do you have a y'all need Jesus?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Do you have one ready for Well, of course I do, Carol, Okay,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: then let's always have one. I'm going to give it
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Give it to me hard stew.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: All Right, Karen, this week's y'all need Jesus. We have
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: highway patrol stops a rocketman truck with missiles mounted in
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the bed near a city in a state Florida, not Florida.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I mean rockets in the bed of a truck. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: got Florida written all over.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you are correct. Nowhere else do you go
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: in fact Florida. The short version is that Florida Highway
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Patrol officers stop the truck near Plant City after multiple
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: drivers called it in because it had missiles mounted in
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the bed. The driver ended up getting nicknamed Rocketman in
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the reporting Rocketman.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know Florida does have the sixation. Yes,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: we've been there several times. We are frequent visitors. That's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: like our thing we bring. We every time we bring
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a new child and we take a picture in front of.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: The Saturn fire rocket.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Yeah, So when you take
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the bus to the next if you're familiar with this,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: when you so you arrive at the Kennedy Space Center,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: you take a bus to the down and they added
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a new stop this time though, she's where I got
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: into with that one lady. Anyways about the family Rush, Yes,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you stopped there, but then normally every other time besides
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: this last time, you go straight to this other area
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: where they got a bunch of different displays and what
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: was the.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: What was the thing you said, Saturn five.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we always kneel down and we take and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: people have asked to take pictures of them, were like, no,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: we do a selfie. So it's always just a selfie.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And so each time we've had a new child every
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: time we've come.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we did one, then we were there with three.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, we skipped poor little twoty man, he just got
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: the We didn't make it back in time to get
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the one the two, so we went one, three, and
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: then four. So we have three pictures with the four children,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: and it's the same exact photo with us as a family,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: like growing and adding new members. Anyways, it's one of
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: our things we do. So when we have the next child,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: what Stull won't let me have any more children, although
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: you can have all the children you want with somebody else,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: with whoever.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: The dad of these other four is yes.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: It's used to. Yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we had a guy in Altro, Okay. He was
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: all into the electronic stuff. He had taken He had
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: like a nineteen eighty something Mustang. He took the dash
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: out replaced.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It with nineteen eighty seven Mustang.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty something Mustang.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Is it was it? It was eighties a big year
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: for all I know. Is like the Tacki Mustangs, which
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: were like two thousands.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: They weren't cool, they were just the new ones are
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: really terrible. Yeah, well that there was some in the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies that were bad the nineteen eighties they got Okay.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I just feel like everybody's like I won in nineteen
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: sixty five Mustang, you know.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I would like another one y.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Anyway, he had like an eighty two or eighty four,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. Anyway, he was begging
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: to whatever. Ripped out the entire dash put his own
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: stuff in there, his own gauges and everything that he
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: wired and everything. But he also put some little rockets
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: eight to ten inch little rockets under the back of
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the car that would come are in the back. It
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: would come up out of the trunk.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they would like he could push a button.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: They could push a button and they would come up
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: like James Bond, Yes, and he had some underneath. They
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: were underneath the gas tank as well. Anywayrin Marine Corps
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: comes through. They're like, hey, we're going to repay the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: parking lot of the Sparracks. Move all your cars. He
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't move his car. I don't rocket Man, he doesn't
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: move his car.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Rocket Man does not move.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: He does not move his car. So they're like, okay,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: we're going to come in with a forklift.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: What year was this that they were doing this? So
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: this this car was like ten or twelve years old.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: It was technically like a like a vintage.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Car, so it's like ninety two ninety three maybe.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like ten years old.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: This car ten fifteen years old. So they come in
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: with the forklift, they lift his car up. They see
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: all these rockets on the bottom underneath his gas tank.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh god, this guy we got we got
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: a situation.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: We got a terrorist on base.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: EOD is called what's EODS Explosives Ordinance Disposal is called.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: They clear out all the barracks, the whole shebanga bang.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: They're like, evacuate the barracks, we don't care, don't grab nothing,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: just leave.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Go somewhere except the airplane. Don't grab your luggage exactly.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: So, yes, this fella had his little rockets wired up.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: They would actually shoot out. They weren't explosive or nothing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't explode, they would just shoot out. I guess
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: they could go through your radiator if you were tailgating
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the guy and he.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: As they deserve to be.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, however, yes, that was our story. EOD evacuated the barracks.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, he had to go do some explaining to
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: the CEO. I think he actually did a little time, sir,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: for Oh, well he did. This was a guy that
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: was he forged his own.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Notes, seem above the board. Okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: He was trying to get out of the military. Okay,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: so he's doing all.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Kinds of Putting rockets on his car was a.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: That was solid move. That was not part of the plan.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But let me put rockets in the core, let me
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: send in a bomb threat.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: This guy didn't want to ship.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Let me break an ankle.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to shave his face, Okay, so he
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: forged and no shave chit like you had to skin
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: condition and act like some kind of act near friends.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I was never friends with the guy, but I knew,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: we well know about him. He was kind of odd.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: So he forged his own no shave chip and got
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: away with it for months. He just had a full
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: grown beard. In the Marine Corps, he was like, yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I got no shave chit. You know, I got skin conditions.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: That's a bunch of bullshit.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: But then he was like, okay, I'm getting out of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the Marine Corps. This is it. So he would go
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to the park and he would call the MPs. He
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: would say there's this really drunk guy at the park.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: You need to go check on him.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Was he the really drunk ey Yes?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, So because if you got so many alcohol related incidents,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: they would just kick you out of the Marine Corps.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Why can't you just exit on your own accord?
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Because they were like, well, screw this guy. So he
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: got put into the legal system and he ended up
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: spending like another six to eight Months's.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Name I was doing at this time. We need to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: facebook stock him, we need to find out where this
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: person is.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So he spent like another eight or six months, six
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to eight months longer in the Marine Corps than he
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: would have originally entered his original like, ok he would
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: have just done his time and got out because he
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: was on legal hold and he had to go through
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the whole legal system to get kicked out of the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Marine Corps.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's our segue from.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: From Rocketman in Florida to rocket Man in California. I
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, did we or did you interrupt me? No?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I think you interrupted yourself.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: With this, did I singing? Rocket Man? Yeah?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: So apparently multiple people called in that he had rockets
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: in the back of his vehicle. Yes, and then he
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: got nicknamed Rocketman.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, can we say that? I said that?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So apparently they were like low budget action movie props.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Did you say that they weren't actually rockets?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Are you reading my thing?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they said.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know it sounds like my rocket Man went
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to Florida and pulled the same shit.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say if I could give a similar,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: somewhat similar story, because this is the end of the podcast.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: So if you're here, your family, you know, it's like
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Olive gardens, all the habits if you hear your family, okay,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: all the HAPs ebbs hebs, Hey, everyone buys jus. I'm
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: surprised we've moved on from we're about to move to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the back porch stew if we're gonna.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to because you're already eight to ten shots.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I know, because the baby wouldn't go. The baby's been
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: off on his schedule and he is staying up super late.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, if you're here, like we did really good.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: We stuck to the script on the actual crime.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised that you held it together for as many shots.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: As let me tell you what let me tell you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: my similar situation as rocketmand in the parking lot with
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the military investigating his car. I was in high school.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I had nineteen ninety two Honda Prelude.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I do like.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: It was gold. It had a back seat. I put
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: leopard pillows in the back seat. I was I made
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: them myself, do I I've met these slipper pillows. They
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: were like rectangular shape in the back seat I had.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Because you couldn't wait to get home to a bed.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: No, I just wanted to like make it like chic.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I thought that was cool. I had a Scooby Doo,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like those things that they used to make.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: We should get one for our cars too. Back in
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the day, you know, like when they would like be bobbleheads.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: See you'd be driving along. So I had a Scooby
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Doo one so his neck would like bobble or whatever,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: like move around or whatever. You know what I'm talking about.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen a Bible head.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, so it was a bubblehead Scooby Doo. And which
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: is so funny because our kids love Scooby Doo. I mean,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: he is. If I didn't hate, if I didn't know
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: great danes, which that's just terrible dogs. I'd get one,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: but they're terrible dog Scoby.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so I had a bubblehead Scooby Doo. So
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in class in high school or whatever, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the resource officer, you know, like
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the officer that's on the campus. I was in a
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: pretty I was in a five A school, so it's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a pretty big school comes into my classroom like, hey,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you need to come out here to your car.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, we got to talk to you.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I mean, I was on the softball team.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I had taken drug. I've never done a drug in
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: my life, like Stu's another question, but I have never
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I partaken the alcohol, but I have never
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: literally never done a drug in my life. I've never
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: smoked weed. I've never done any of that. This out
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: my my thing or whatever, and that's not my jam.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Stew on the other hand, has dabbled, what done done something? Anyway,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, wow, this is like super crazy because
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I was straight a student on the softball team with
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the bow in my hair, like straight and arrow and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: everything like that. So they come in and and I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: still see this in my head. This is why I'm
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: telling this story because like I can. It's one of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: those like concrete memories that just like in your head,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: you can see it. So I go out there. I'm
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: standing in front of the Gold nineteen ninety two, a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: prelude that I had with the leopard Scooby Doo thing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: on the thing, and I'm like, what the fuck did
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I buy from this guy that like I bought this
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: car from, you know? And the thing was that the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: guy that I bought it from his uncle, his grandpa
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: sold it to me as like a family thing or whatever,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: so I didn't have to pay taxes. I don't know
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: how that was, but we were in a small town.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: So he was like, yeah, so the drug dogs hit
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: on it. It's like what is happening? And they didn't
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: find anything, okay, But I was like, oh my god,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I'm about to get in trouble. I started, I started
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: over explaining, I'm like, I bought this car from somebody
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like and all I remember is then taken, yes, And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: all I remember is then like this is sixteen year
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: old Kara there. They took the Scooby Doo head off
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of the Scooby Doo body, and I remember the dog sniffing,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what the It traumatized me them
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: smelling the dog was smelling everything, and I'm like trying
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: to explain what I'm like. Those are my clean to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: the backs?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, so very similar that they were going to ask
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: you about the mobile prostitution couch had in the back
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: seat with the leopard.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stuart, I was sixteen years old. I thought they
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: were cool. My whole room was done in jungle theme. Anyways, Okay,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: this is at the end of the podcast, so that's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: acceptable that we are off topic. Okay, so.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Had pillows in the back of your car, Didge.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to see you on the porch.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, are you going to make it to the porch.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it to the porch. That's our whole theme. Guys. Okay,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: so we have revamped the podcast.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: They've already heard that all of you. You explained that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: for twenty minutes beginning. Oh I did episode. Yeah, all
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: of you are.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: We're we're we're forgernks deep into the weekly Poor at
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: this point or five or five. So we'll see you
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: on You know what I really feel like this.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Is old grandad. Okay, your old granddad.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Listen to me, though, Listen to me, this feels like, oh,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: so we stuck to the port on the actual true
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: crime case that we just covered. However, on the porch
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: on Friday nights, wheneverybody gets the episode.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: With your pat and leopard pillows.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like they're gonna get og bless this mess.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Bless this mess and the trick podcast Stu drinking too much,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: falling asleep, having to start the next day. I feel
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: like that's what they're gonna get. So they're getting straight
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to the point true crime on the weekly episode, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: then they're getting og blessed this mess that on Fridays.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: It can't be good for anybody.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: That can't be good. We're professionals, now, Okay. I I'm
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: not a broke college student anymore. I have an actual job.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Please, I got a job for you.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, Stuart. Anyways, Okay, I thought we're doing No, okay,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: we have a new sign off. Guys, don't hang on
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: hang on with me. I put it in here to charge, remember, okay, Stu,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: it's the same sign What was the sign off? No,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: it was we had a new sign off. I did.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Where's it at? I put it in here? Oh my god. Okay,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: let me pause and find it. I found it. Thanks
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: for sitting with us, because remember we're we're like in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: rocking chairs, we're on the porch. I want us to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: be a community. I've I've If you have not joined
• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:35
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• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I have started a group chat. If you message me
• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you like, we are going to see it and I
• 1:04:48
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want you guys to talk about this. Hey,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: this is what we're doing and I'm sharing like daily
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: updates and things like that. Anyways, what was the sign
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: off again? I forgot?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: We just about with us.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you for sitting with us, same porch, same time
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: next week. Bye everyone, Say bye Steve, bye Dove.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be supersticious by nothing else?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: It's working and it's pretty
• 1:05:34
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