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Is Ohio State About To Hit A Rushing Milestone For The First Time In Nearly 50 Years? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Tuesday and fourth I'm your host, Tom
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  Moore. The Akron game in eighty eight days, the game against Michigan in
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  one hundred and seventy nine days. No. We talked to Earli on yesterday's
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  show about the fact we're going to do a recruiting show at some point.
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  You're going to wait another day for that one. I will tell you if
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  you want some great inside information about last weekend's official visits, especially involving five
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  star wide receiver to Coreyan Moore and in state for state running back Bo Jackson,
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  you can find that all on the Huddleboard, presenter by Jeff Ruby,
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  Steakhouse. Mark Kifler, a recruiting expert, has supposed a bunch of good
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  stuff there in conducted some interviews, got some good inside information. You can
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  find that all at Buckeyehuddle dot com. We'll probably talk about that at some
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  point later in the week, but today we're talking about something else. You
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  can find a Buckey Huddle dot com, and that is a new series from
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  Tony Gerdaman called fifty for fifty. Now, Tony, I know you and
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  I have spent a lot of college football off seasons, trying to figure out,
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  all right, what are we going to write about today to talk about
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  college football? What are we new podcast about today? I thought this was
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  a really interesting idea. Right now, you're counting down fifty days to the
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  start of Big Ten Media Days, which is sort of the unofficial start of
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  the college football season. So every day for fifty days, you'll be writing
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  about a bunch of different topics, including the biggest matchups of the season for
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  Ohio State, Big Ten predictions, Ohio State predictions, something to look forward
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  to, some national stuff. There's a bunch of really interesting stuff in this
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  every day. You started that this week with biggest Buckeye matchups, and the
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  first bullet point in the first thing was the matchup of Michigan cornerback Will Johnson
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  versus Ohio State receiver Carnel Tate, and I thought, oh boy, he
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  is onto something here. That is a very exciting matchup to start with just
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  individual matchups for all these different games, that one feels like that might be
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  one of the biggest matchups in the biggest game of the year. Yeah,
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  start the list off with the bang and then go from there. It's all
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  downhill from there to, But I think that is one people should be excited
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  about. You're talking about arguably the best cornerback in the nation big six two,
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  six, three, has been tremendous his first two years at Michigan,
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  and now Carnel Tate steps in. As we're going, I'm going to assume
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  the number one outside receiver. I expect a Mecca Buka to be inside,
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  and you'll have JJ Smith Jeremiah Smith as the other outside receiver. I think
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  I could have put Jeremiah Smith here as well, and people would still get
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  excited because there are so much excitement around Smith. But let's not forget about
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  what Marvin Harrison has said about Carnel Tate in the past when basically said that
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  Tait was a year ahead of him development wise as a true freshman. So
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  we're gonna get a chance to see that in full force this season. So
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  let's see what it looks like. And by the time that game rolls around,
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  Well Johnson, everybody knows about I think everybody will know about Carnell Tate
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  by then, and as we have both written about and talked about forever,
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  that game is won by whoever runs the ball better generally well let's not lose.
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  Let's not forget about this little matchup quote unquote little matchup that goes on
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  as well, because whoever wins that one could you know, could swing events
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  basically, and you can look back brout history like the David Boston versus Charles
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  Woodson type of stuff is what we could be seeing here. Yeah, that
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  feels like a matchup of two big, big, big time players that you
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  could be seeing standing up on a stage with Roger Goodell fairly early in future
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  NFL drafts. And that is certainly one of the biggest games, if not
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  the biggest game of the year for Ohio State, at least regular season version.
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  So yeah, that is that is it going to look forward to.
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  And boy, I'm already excited with whoever you're gonna match Jeremiah Smith up with,
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  because I don't know that I think I think Ohio State fans anyhow,
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  you mentioned Jeremiah Smith's name, or you mentioned the Michigan game, people are
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  about ready to go, you know, take the excitement up to about a
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  fourteen out of ten. So you combine those two things, boy, it
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  feels like that might be and I'm gonna have to have you on to talk
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  about that one wherever whenever that happens during the series. The series next up
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  Big Ten Predictions, and I'm sure people are thinking, Oh, he's going
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  to predict Ohio State to play Oregon in the Big Ten Championship Game or something
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  in I don't know, maybe he'll get there at some point. But this
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  is another one that I went, oh, Okay, Tony, I'm just
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  going to read it verbatim. Florida State and Clemson will be added as conference
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  members. Fascinating to me because it feels like they don't fit the traditional profile.
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  It's something that three years ago you would have looked at it and said,
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  well, they're not AAU members right now, they're really outside of the
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  geographic footprint. There is the whole matter of the brand of Rights agreement that's
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  being litigated right now between them and the ACC. But also for all the
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  reasons that this would have sounded crazy eighteen months ago, it doesn't sound crazy
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  anymore. No, it doesn't sound crazy. And you're talking about two programs,
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  two schools that are trying to leave, actively trying to leave the ACC.
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  So they want to go somewhere and they're either going to go to the
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  SEC or the Big ten and the SEC right now doesn't really seem all that
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  intent on expanding and expanding within the footprint isn't really expanding, that's just getting
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  crowded and taking money from member schools. And whereas Big ten expanding into the
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  South is something that Jim Delaney, if we want to consider North Carolina the
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  South, I think we can. You know he would, he would,
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  He would have loved to have gone into North Carolina. We know we've seen
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  him go out east. This is the next logical step been out west.
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  They wanted Texas years ago before Texas got told no by the PAC ten back
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  PAC twelve and then eventually ended up in the SEC. So the Big ten
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  would love to have added Texas. This to me, I almost said,
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  makes sense. Tom, It doesn't make sense. It makes money, and
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  that's what is It's all about the money. And I can already hear you.
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  But what about the AAU stuff? Yeah, and the AAU stuff.
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  And let's just in case you have not been following this compulsively for the last
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  five years. First of all, what's wrong with you? But second of
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  all, the AAU is the Association of American Universities, which is this organization
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  of really prestigious national universities, and for decades and decades and decades it was
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  functionally table stakes. If you were not an AAU member, you could not
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  be a member of the Big Ten. That was just sort of always the
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  rule. Nebraska came in, I believe they were admitted as an AAU member,
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  and then they got booted out of the AAAU, and it had to
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  do with the location of the university hospital being at the University of Nebraska Omaha
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  and said at the new University of Nebraska Lincoln. I could keep talking,
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  but people will stop listening even faster than they do when I read conference bylaws.
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  So we're just going to move on and just say that's AAU. It
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  used to be table stakes. This is one of the ways in which the
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  game done changed. Where that used to be you had to be and now
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  it's like, well what about unless you're good at football? Like this whole
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  process has gone from a process that's been run by university presidents with you know,
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  very serious, big picture things in mind, to basically stuff that's getting
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  run like message board posters going well, what if they're good at football?
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  What if we added them? And it's all a little crazy because we're talking
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  about this, you know, we're talking about that factor of it, and
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  they're also the grant of rights. Grant of rights. Will I'll do another
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  real brief legal thing if in case you're not up to speeding. Grand of
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  rights. Granted rights is when your conference signs a TV deal, you sign
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  your TV rights over to your conference, So ABC or ESPN or Fox or
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  whoever pays your conference and your conference distributes it to the school. So you
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  have signed your rights over. So if Ohio State decided tomorrow we're mad at
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  the Big Ten for I don't know whatever you and you left, well,
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  the Big ten still gets to keep your money and you don't get to keep
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  it. You may have heard people talk about Michigan being big mad and stomping
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  their feet last year over the counter stallions thing, and they were going to
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  leave the Big Ten, like actual intelligent people said that they were never going
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  to do that because of this, because that was always stupid. So that's
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  grand of rights. The ACC's grant of rights goes out to twenty thirty six
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  right now, So that was that has always been viewed as a completely unbreakable
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  contract. But now you have lawyers looking at stuff and trying to figure out
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  could they get out of it? And as you know, how legally binding
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  is this, And you're getting a lot of people very definitively saying yes or
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  no or maybe, And so I don't know we'll see making any kind of
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  real declarative, firm statements on that you know that this is absolutely going to
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  get ruled no or absolutely ruled yes. Feels a little foolish. But I
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  think Tony, where at least to the point where you could say could get
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  ruled maybe something and not necessarily no. So it feels like there's a little
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  more wiggle room here than you may be thought before. Well, just the
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  confidence with which certain people at Florida State or or Clemson or in the industry
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  talk about this and and you'll even hear and we've probably said the same thing.
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  It's like, well, they're not it's not going to be broken this
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  year, but it's going to be broken down the road. Well, why
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  if you're so confident that it's going to be broken down the road, why
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  can't it be broken down or why are you so confident that it's going to
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  be broken down the road? Is it because you if you expect it to
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  be broken, then why, you know, why put up this front that
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  it's not going to be anytime soon. So it is always been interesting that
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  the like the contracts, the television contracts and the grantive rights, all that's
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  like under lock and key at the conference headquarters and you can't take it out.
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  It's like a special library book that you have to read it in the
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  library with the library and there right with you. You know, you cannot
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  take it out, and uh, don't even think about trying to renew it.
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  You can't do that. You know, pictures it is, you know,
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  the shroud of touring basically, and and so that's what they've got.
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  Then you get people going over that and lawyers are very confident they can get
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  stuff done as long as the hours are billable and paid. And so that's
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  where that's where things are right now, for for for the schools themselves.
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  So I'm just kidding, I'm I'm not a lawyer. I have not been
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  to a holiday and express in at least a year, But just the way
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  people are talking about it, it seems like this is going to happen.
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  And you wonder how much longer is the ACC going to fight this, ESPN
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  has that contract. There's constant change going on right now. And for imagine
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  the ACC being the one thing that we can rely on as being the one
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  constant in college sports, the good old ACC keeping us all organized and rotating
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  in a circular, stable orbit. Yes, the good old reliable ACC featuring
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  cal Stanford and SMU. Even the reliable conferences are a little weird right now.
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  And in case you think he's kidding about the the contract being under lock
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  and key and you can't go in and you can't bring a phone in,
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  you can't, He's not kidding, Like this is this is like something out
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  of like a Dan Brown novel where it's like in the Vatican Library and it's
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  this special thing that sure you can you can see other stuff, but you
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  can't see this. This is a super secret document. He is not kidding.
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  There's lawsuits going on right now about can that get released and all that
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  kind of stuff. So people have seen it, people have read it,
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  people have you know, taken mental notes on it. But you can't sit
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  in there and copy the thing down. It is a super secret document.
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  Is college football run in the stupidest possible way? Well, listener, I
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  will leave that up to you. Last thing, Tony, moving on to
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  your Ohio State prediction. Last thing for today, the Buckeyes will have two
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  one thousand yard rushers this season. You had a great note in there that
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  the fact that has not happened in very nearly forty years, but you think
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  it's gonna happen this year. Why do you think that, Well, Tom,
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  I only wrote this because I mentioned that Ohio State hasn't had two running
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  backs brush four one thousand yards in the season since nineteen seventy five. And
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  I've been waiting for somebody to well actually me with like a Carlos Hyde and
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  Braxton Millier so that I can well actually them right back and say, ah,
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  I said, running backs, don't you read and give the kind of
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  same kind of energy that has been given to me? So I'm waiting for
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  that. So Tony, Tony, Tony, I feel like I need to
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  point out that Ohio State did have two thousand yard rushers in the season just
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  over a decade ago. I'm surprised you, as someone who has covered Ohio
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  State football for so long, didn't didn't realize that. Well, see time.
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  Here's where I can't attack you for not reading something I wrote, because
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  you don't read anything I write, so this doesn't quite work out the same
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  way. But again, we're talking about fifteen, sixteen, seventeen game season.
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  This is going to be a two headed running back approach. Ohio stated
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  has come close in previous years to you know, they shoot Master Tigue rush
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  for like seven hundred and fifty yards I think in twenty nineteen behind JK.
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  Dobbins, who rushed for two thousand and three yards that year. So this
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  one, to me feels like much a much more even split to where you're
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  talking seventy five yards a game for each guy to hit a thousand yards,
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  and I expect both of those guys to go over that so over. I'm
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  not saying it's gonna happen in twelve games like it did with Pete Johnson and
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  Archie Griffin. I'm not. Don't quote me on that one, Tom,
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  but I feel pretty confident about this, and I think either guy would be
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  disappointed if they didn't hit a thousand yards, knowing even even in fourteen games,
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  if they didn't hit a thousand yards, I think both those guys would
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  be disappointed. When you put it in that context, that the yards per
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  carry, your yards per game just being around seventy five. If you're playing
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  a much longer season, that really does kind of change the likelihood of this
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  happening, because you know, I think back to collecting football cards in the
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  mid eighties and you know, getting the thousand yard rushing card for rub In
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  Maze the running back for the Saints, or Kurt Warner the running back for
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  the Seahawks, and it's like, who what that's what? That's who is
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  that guy? How could you possibly run for a thousand yards? You look
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  on the back and it's like, oh, it's he averaged sixty seven yards
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  a game or whatever it was. Because you have sixteen games to do it
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  that the bar to get over one thousand yards is not quite as high as
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  it used to be. If they play as many games as they could,
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  will they play as many games as they could can? Well we will all
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  find out together this fall should be. It's shaping up to be a very
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  entertaining season. This is shaping up to be a very entertaining series as well.
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  That's Tony's fifty for fifty series exclusively bucke huddle dot com. You can
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  find that there also you can find again that coverage from Mark on last weekend's
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  recruiting visits story about Corey and Moore and Bo Jackson up there already. I'm
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  sure more coming later this week and if also coming later this week when you've
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  coverage if the Ohio State camp season opening up, lots of top prospects coming
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  into Columbus. We will be there to cover all of that for you this
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  week Wednesday and Thursday at the What He Hayes Athletics and then play more coming
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  up later on this month as well. We are starting to head into the
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  busy season already as we count down to the big ten Meeta days countdown to
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  the start of the season, all at Buckeyehuddle dot com and at YouTube dot
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  com slash Buckeye Huddle. That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all
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  for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.