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Missing hosts, dressed up dogs, Diamonds duty calls and the world's best netball league · No Dribble

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to No Dribble, their global home of
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Speaker 1: people wandering in the wilderness of a weekend with only
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Speaker 1: two games of netball. And I'm Carolyn Swindell, and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what. Some people, even within this podcast team
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Speaker 1: are wandering in the wilderness somewhere because I've walked into
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Speaker 1: the studio this morning. I'm all on my lonesome, and
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Speaker 1: thank God from the far West we have our very
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Speaker 1: dear friend Sue Gordian or else I'm beaking on my own.
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Speaker 2: I know I'm tagging in for a third week because
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Speaker 2: a couple of key figures, Carolyn, have decided to be
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Speaker 2: in the air. I think one of them is in
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Speaker 2: the air as we speak, Captain Cox, heading back from
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Speaker 2: the west.
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Speaker 1: And the other one's heading over to the west apparently.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, and she's heading over here to speak at
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Speaker 2: a function.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they might pass in the air, who knows, but
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Speaker 1: you and I are here. And what a weekend?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, epic, What a Sunday, super Sunday of finals netball? Crazy,
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Speaker 2: wasn't it? Like?
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Speaker 1: It could not have been two more different games? Could they?
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Speaker 2: No? And you never know what's going to happen in finals,
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Speaker 2: and everyone dearly loves close finals, even us as commentators,
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Speaker 2: because they're epic to call. But of course one of
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Speaker 2: them being the Fever Swiss one yesterday was far from that,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll get into the depth of that
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Speaker 2: in just a moment. But yeah, everyone kind of knows
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Speaker 2: my affiliation to the Fever. So it's been it was
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Speaker 2: a I slept well last night, which was good night.
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Speaker 1: I bet you did. Yeah, Well, everybody knows my allegiance
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Speaker 1: to the Swifts, and I've got all my merch on
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Speaker 1: today because it was the rough day yesterday to be
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Speaker 1: a fan of the Swifts. But hell, it can't be
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Speaker 1: anywhere near as hard on me as it is on
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Speaker 1: those women who were out there on the court. And
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Speaker 1: this is the time if you're a fan, this is
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Speaker 1: not the time to walk away. This is the time
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Speaker 1: to lean in. This is the time to say, look,
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Speaker 1: we're in a bit of a crisis, but I believe
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Speaker 1: in you. Yes, very important, even if I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, although I did read a bit of social media
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Speaker 2: last night when I got into bed. Occasionally I flicked
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Speaker 2: through and there was that's a mistake. Yeah, that's a mistake. Well,
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Speaker 2: it is when they just come at you for being
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Speaker 2: a bias commentator. But you get a bit over that
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Speaker 2: after a while. But the Swiss fans were a little brutal,
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Speaker 2: weren't they, And like, don't get me wrong, you can
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Speaker 2: get upset about your team not performing, but I'm with you,
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Speaker 2: like you just got to get behind them and give
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Speaker 2: them like they made finals, like it is, Oh, I
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Speaker 2: can't even begin to tell you how bloody hard it
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Speaker 2: is to make finals in the best league in the world.
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Speaker 2: And so it's like you take that every day of
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Speaker 2: the week, Carolyn, Like that's such a privilege, and yes,
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Speaker 2: you want to perform. And the great beauty for the
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Speaker 2: Swiss is they get another crack at the cherry. Like
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Speaker 2: you know, the Thunderbirds were celebrating their season last night
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Speaker 2: in a sad fashion, but the Swiss get to go
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Speaker 2: home and play again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason that they do that is because
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Speaker 1: they were so good early in the season and it's
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Speaker 1: still the same people buy and lunch taking the court.
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Speaker 1: So it's like we can't just go started to fall
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Speaker 1: apart over the last couple of weeks. I'm out. But
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Speaker 1: you know, all credit to Fever. Every single player on
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Speaker 1: that team had an absolute blind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah they did. I've got to I'll tell you a
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Speaker 2: little story I thought. I thought so after the game yesterday,
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Speaker 2: as you know, I'm in my commentary mode and then
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Speaker 2: we had to let us through Pivot Live from Perth Last,
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Speaker 2: which was great. Exhausted though, Yeah, I was laughing at
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Speaker 2: the end when we were sort of going through the
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Speaker 2: last segment, Stacy Francis Bayman was stumbling over her words.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I had to click in my neck,
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Speaker 2: you know, like Kat was I think CAV called me
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Speaker 2: Sue Gordon or something like that. Like it was just
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Speaker 2: it was going all a bit pair shape because it
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Speaker 2: was a long day, but which was all really cool.
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Speaker 2: And then the game sort of finished, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I have to stay really focused onto what my job
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Speaker 2: is on the day, and so I was just in
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Speaker 2: commentator mode and I went back to the change room
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Speaker 2: and I sort of got undressed and put my gear on,
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Speaker 2: and then I went home. And I got home and
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Speaker 2: I sort of sitting there and I might watch the
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Speaker 2: game back. And I watched the game back and then
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Speaker 2: I was like, I think I'll go to bed, and
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Speaker 2: I went to bed and I woke up at about
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Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning and I didn't feel I
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Speaker 2: didn't really feel anything. It was quite bizarre. And then
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Speaker 2: I got up this morning at about seven am and
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Speaker 2: I thought, right, I'm going to go for a walk.
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Speaker 2: And I went for a walk. And I got about
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Speaker 2: three quarters of the way through my walk, and you know,
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Speaker 2: like this is a bit embarrassing, I just burst into tears.
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Speaker 2: It hit me, like it just hit me. And I
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Speaker 2: was on my own and I was just walking and
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Speaker 2: this lady's coming towards me, and I was just streaming
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Speaker 2: with tears because I think it just hit me that, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you make a Grand final. The club's made
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Speaker 2: a Grand final. It's everything I've kind of dreamt of.
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Speaker 1: And after last year's heartbreak.
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Speaker 2: Yep, and the year before to preliminary finals with the
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Speaker 2: one goal. Anyhow, But the funny part of this was
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Speaker 2: that I had got a couple of tickets for my
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Speaker 2: next door neighbor. And as I was walking towards my house,
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Speaker 2: as I was getting home, she was about three hundred
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Speaker 2: meters and I just heard her scream out so and
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Speaker 2: she's this lovely Gloria Attelian lady, just a ripper, and
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Speaker 2: she came running down the street. She was so excited
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Speaker 2: and she wrapped her hands around me and she was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you that it's just an MVT
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Speaker 2: performance and I was like, I was like, I have
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Speaker 2: to quickly get my head around that. But she said
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Speaker 2: it was hard for Fever yesterday to pick an MVP
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Speaker 2: because it was just the most valuable team.
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Speaker 1: They were just elite, weren't they Everyone did their job.
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Speaker 1: And I love listening to Dan Ryan. I think it
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Speaker 1: was at halftime and it's like, look, we could stop
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Speaker 1: this game now, really, and he was just saying, I
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Speaker 1: just want you to focus on skills, and it's like
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Speaker 1: that's really good that It's like, listen, don't think this
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Speaker 1: job is not done because we now have yep, we're
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Speaker 1: probably going to win this. We need to make sure
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Speaker 1: that we do. But let's use this opportunity as our
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Speaker 1: last really hard hit out before the Grand Final. So
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Speaker 1: I just it was really good and I'm sorry you're
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Speaker 1: embarrassed sharing that with us that you were crying, but
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Speaker 1: it's a great insight for us as to how stressful
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Speaker 1: it is in the clubs and for how much everyone
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Speaker 1: really wants this and works towards this, and yeah, so
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Speaker 1: if anyone's seeing the Swifts don't care. The Swifts care
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Speaker 1: so much and they care about what you're saying about them,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, and now is the time that we lean in.
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Speaker 1: And the Thunderbirds fans, they care enormously, and the Thunderbirds players,
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Speaker 1: like I looked at the press conference afterwards, and I
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Speaker 1: thought Georgie had probably dried her eyes before she'd gone
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Speaker 1: out there, like, yeah, a terrible, terrible disappointment for them.
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Speaker 2: Sports an emotional rollercoaster. But it's at any level, right,
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you're a parent on the side,
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Speaker 2: you know, at your grassroots netball, or whether you're a
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Speaker 2: full time professional athlete trying to win a premiership. And
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Speaker 2: it's funny because when I was out walking, I went
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Speaker 2: and grabbed it. I don't drink coffee. It was a
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Speaker 2: hot chocolate and I was sort of sitting there and
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Speaker 2: again just pondering through my head, and this lady's up
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Speaker 2: at the counter and she's ordering a coffee and oh god,
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Speaker 2: she was just going on about crap, like honestly, go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, like one hundred miles an hour. But she
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Speaker 2: was so excited about her life and her world and
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Speaker 2: it just sort of made me sit there and go,
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Speaker 2: you know, no one has any idea what is going
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Speaker 2: on in my world right now, but to me it
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Speaker 2: is just so significant. But you know, you just have
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Speaker 2: to live in your own joy of the of the
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Speaker 2: realms of the work that you work in. And you know,
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Speaker 2: like you go and talk to someone in AFL or
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Speaker 2: RL and they'm like, oh, what's nipple? I don't care,
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Speaker 2: But for us it means everything, and for the players
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Speaker 2: it means the world. And you're right, like this heartbreak
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Speaker 2: I felt for the Odelaide Thunderbirds yesterday they've had. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't forget their season. No Shamir is
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Speaker 2: selling Humphy. How good have they been without her? Right?
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Speaker 1: And you've done it so well?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Insane? So yeah it is. It's an emotional rollercoaster, Carolyn.
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Speaker 2: Finals and well every game is, but once you get
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Speaker 2: to finals it's stressful.
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Speaker 1: Well, as we speak, the tickets are on sale for
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Speaker 1: Sunday's games, so I've got people tasked inside with I
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Speaker 1: don't mean on the inside of the club, I mean
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Speaker 1: inside my house who are having to get my tickets
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Speaker 1: sorted for me for next week?
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Speaker 2: Cutoff Bank Arena.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Netball Australia takes out of the ticketing
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Speaker 1: for the finals, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do so basically all of the home and
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Speaker 2: away season is run by the clubs and that's at
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Speaker 2: the cost the expense of the clubs as well as
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Speaker 2: you know, any money that you make, et cetera. But
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Speaker 2: the finals is ownership of Netball Australia. However, the first
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Speaker 2: couple of semis, because you know, Fever round the game yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Thunderbirds round the game yesterday, Nipple Australia still take all
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Speaker 2: of like you know, the funds pretty much go to them.
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Speaker 2: They pay for elements of the sports presentation, but fundamentally
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Speaker 2: it's their pocket. But you know, the clubs still run
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Speaker 2: a home game environment, so it's an interesting one. But
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Speaker 2: then come Grand Final dates to neutral. It's a neutral game,
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Speaker 2: full Netball Australia staff for everything.
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Speaker 1: So do the clubs get a financial drink out of
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Speaker 1: these semi finals? Is there any No?
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Speaker 2: So, and listen, to be honest with you, it's I
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Speaker 2: don't have I actually don't have a problem with it, right,
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Speaker 2: So Nipple Astraia have to own something. I mean, the
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Speaker 2: league's there is and the home and away season is
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Speaker 2: rightful for the clubs and it is their asset and
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Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of assets, so they've got
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Speaker 2: to make sure that they make the most of it.
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Speaker 2: I just think the difficult parties is that clubs are
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Speaker 2: still expected to put on the show, you know, and
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Speaker 2: so for Fever as you know, it's a big game
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Speaker 2: day experience. It requires a lot of staff. So at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'd love to see a
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Speaker 2: sort of a bit of an opportunity to do a
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Speaker 2: bit of a I don't know, like a bit of
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Speaker 2: a percentage share. It doesn't have to be a lot,
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Speaker 2: but just to reward clubs for putting on those semis
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Speaker 2: and then you know, Niple Australia pretty much run the show,
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Speaker 2: come come the Grand Final. So it's an interesting one.
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Speaker 2: I think clubs are sort of trying to have their
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Speaker 2: discussions with the league around it, and it's like again
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Speaker 2: it's I can see it depends whose seat you're sitting in, right,
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Speaker 2: So like you know, if you're in Clubland, of course
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Speaker 2: you want a piece of the pie, and if you
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Speaker 2: Nipple Australia you want to take whatever dollar you can
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Speaker 2: when the asset's yours.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can totally see both sides of that. I
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Speaker 1: guess the clubs are the ones who have to wear
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Speaker 1: the complaints from the members, don't they that It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: why aren't I in my seats and whatever? And obviously
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Speaker 1: we're going to cute us rather than and playing it
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Speaker 1: at KRA, So I shouldn't expect to be in my
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Speaker 1: same seats. But I think it's a reasonable expectation for
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Speaker 1: members that, well, do.
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Speaker 2: You like that? So let's say it was a KR
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Speaker 2: and you're a mad Swiss fan, do you want to
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Speaker 2: sit in your exactly the same seat in the final?
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Speaker 2: Is that the most like? Is that?
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Speaker 1: So I don't keep my seats like I don't have
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Speaker 1: the bottom level membership, but I also don't have the
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Speaker 1: top one. I like where my seats are, you know,
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Speaker 1: a couple of years in a row. Now, I've been
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Speaker 1: near other people who I know I recognize them and
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Speaker 1: things like that. I'd like it. Do I think it's critical? No,
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Speaker 1: But you know, I do think that it is something
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Speaker 1: that the club has to manage because there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who have expectations of things in life
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Speaker 1: that I think maybe they shouldn't have that expectation, and
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Speaker 1: then they still choose to escalate it as a complaint.
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Speaker 1: So so whether or not it's a reasonable expectation, the
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Speaker 1: clubs have to deal with it, don't they.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is true, This is true. Yeah, Finals is
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Speaker 2: an interesting time for a lot of people. And you know,
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Speaker 2: like you know, you know what I want to say though,
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Speaker 2: and I Reckon Coxy brought this up perfectly in commentary yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We're just reminded very quickly yesterday that Sun Corps Supernepple
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Speaker 2: is the world's best league, Like, honestly, it's you know,
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Speaker 2: Grace Wecky is a great example someone that came across
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Speaker 2: the ditch, and you know, she came here because she
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Speaker 2: wanted to be challenged. And if she didn't get her
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Speaker 2: greatest lesson yesterday, which I think, you know, because I'm
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Speaker 2: a big fan of hers as a player, and I'm
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Speaker 2: a big fan that she needs. She's got a lot
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Speaker 2: of growth in her game and she'll she'll come away
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Speaker 2: from yesterday and don't tell me she won't be the better.
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Speaker 1: For her Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: If that doesn't light the fire in your belly, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what does.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at you. It's so interesting because she's
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Speaker 1: very young, but she's had an enormous amount of experience, hasn't.
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Speaker 1: She's like seven years in and she's twenty three years old,
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Speaker 1: but she is still very young. And I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's actually been a few people who have contacted me
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Speaker 1: to say she's probably still two or three years away
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Speaker 1: from her best. I think we are seeing some of
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Speaker 1: the youth in spite of all the experience that she has,
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Speaker 1: that they're still You can't put an old head on
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Speaker 1: young shoulders. But you can do is go here, go
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Speaker 1: into the bloody cauldron and see what that does to you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, pressure, pressure does amazing things to most,
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Speaker 2: but experience, usually experience is what allows you to manage
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Speaker 2: pressure better than most. So and she doesn't have that,
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Speaker 2: like she doesn't you know, when I was experienced, like
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Speaker 2: she might have played seven years. She hasn't played seven years,
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Speaker 2: Like right up there at the top, Like, let's not
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Speaker 2: forget she was injured in the last World Cup, so
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Speaker 2: she didn't get a chance, and you know, all eyes
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Speaker 2: were on New Zealand in South Africa, and then of
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Speaker 2: course you know that she went out with her knee
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Speaker 2: injury and then that kind of the whole key piece
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Speaker 2: fell apart. So she probably hasn't played a lot of big,
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Speaker 2: big games and big big moments, so experience is important.
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Speaker 2: Then you add youth to it. But my point is, God,
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Speaker 2: to imagine what sort of play she's going to be
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Speaker 2: in four or five years time. It's frightening. Oh God,
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Speaker 2: it's frightening. She'll be elite.
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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the Diamonds announcements this week,
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Speaker 1: but first of all, I need your advice on something,
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Speaker 1: and I thank you're the woman to give me the
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Speaker 1: advice on this. So you know, we've done the Hottest
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Speaker 1: one hundred, the Dribbler's Hottest one hundred this week OZ Music.
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Speaker 1: It's great and I'm still I'm in the final throws
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Speaker 1: of finalizing that.
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Speaker 2: Love it, love it.
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Speaker 1: Because when you look at the large organization that is
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Speaker 1: no Dribble, it is Carolyn Swindle. But we're going through
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Speaker 1: it and had a bit of a deliver last week.
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Speaker 1: We're drive to Orange. My father in law turn ninety,
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Ben. He does not know what a podcast is,
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Speaker 1: so he will never hear this, but we love him
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Speaker 1: and we're driving up and I'm telling the kids through
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Speaker 1: some of these songs. And how old my daughter is
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Speaker 1: twelve years old, which if you stay in a hotel
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Speaker 1: or in an airline they call you an adult. Is
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Speaker 1: that old enough to understand the great Australian tradition of
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Speaker 1: how to respond if someone says, I know a lot
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Speaker 1: of the parents at school think that the children don't
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Speaker 1: know any swear words by year six. But I will
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Speaker 1: tell you if you walk through the playground and they
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Speaker 1: don't know that you are somewhere nearby, you will understand
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Speaker 1: that they know all the words, all the words, all
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Speaker 1: the swear words. So at what age do you get
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Speaker 1: introduced to the cultural experience of the angels.
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Speaker 2: I think it's connected to your parents, don't you think
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Speaker 2: I don't know if a kid just listens out, or
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Speaker 2: that it's connected to the fact that the parents have
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Speaker 2: it playing in the background with a few gym beans.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny because whoever you are, that people who
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Speaker 1: don't swear will participate in that. Clearly we heard from
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Speaker 1: last week's episode that I am not of the no
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Speaker 1: swearing crowd, but people will participate in that. It's quite
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Speaker 1: it's a very I don't know, what is it democratizing song.
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Speaker 2: I'm a Melbourne girl. Grew up in Mount Waverley. We
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Speaker 2: lived next door to the Alises, and so we used
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Speaker 2: to always see that I live in next door. But
15:03
Speaker 2: what would happen was is that my brother and my
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Speaker 2: bedroom window was there was a fence line, and then
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Speaker 2: Stephen and Margaret's the kids on the next door their bedroom,
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Speaker 2: and if one of us was playing the song, we'd
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Speaker 2: scream out to the other Alice, Alice, I reckon. We
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Speaker 2: were twelve. I think we were around about that same age.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a great tradition that song, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: That's how I learned to swear.
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Speaker 1: One more thing before we get back to netball, is
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Speaker 1: before you judge me, does your dog have a costume box?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Catherine Cox, she's such a bugger.
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Speaker 1: She sent me some suggestions for discussion.
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Speaker 2: Oh she makes me laugh. She's always got her phone
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Speaker 2: on her writing notes about what's the best next conversation
15:52
Speaker 2: to have on the dribble. So let's just let the
15:54
Speaker 2: folks know. So Coxy and I got the opportunity to
15:56
Speaker 2: commentate on the weekend first time this season, so we
15:58
Speaker 2: got a bit excited and straight on the phone. I'm
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Speaker 2: coming on Thursday, Can I stay? Yes, Catherine, you can
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Speaker 2: come and stay. And so we get up Friday morning
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Speaker 2: and our little puppy, kavoodle Bailey mostly poodle, so has
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Speaker 2: a love hate relationship with Kath. I'll be blatantly honest
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Speaker 2: with you, it's like fifty first dates. Catherine comes in
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Speaker 2: and Catherine is so persistent, she just keeps trying. She
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Speaker 2: loves doing Bailey come here and yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if dog dogs like her. Bailey has a hard time
16:30
Speaker 2: of it, but eventually, if you get a treat out,
16:32
Speaker 2: Bailey you know, finds her way across to Catherine. And
16:35
Speaker 2: so they've eventually got to this point where they like
16:38
Speaker 2: each other. Anyhow, Rose in the house. You know, we've
16:41
Speaker 2: got the salon Roses cutting hair and whatnot, and one
16:45
Speaker 2: of her clients, Tanya's in and so I've introduced Tanya
16:48
Speaker 2: to Kath and we're sitting there having a chat and
16:49
Speaker 2: Bailey's just sitting in the salon looking at everyone, and
16:52
Speaker 2: it was quite cold outside, and Rose made a comment
16:56
Speaker 2: and said to Bailey, would you like to put one
16:58
Speaker 2: of your jumpers on? And all started laughing, like, you know,
17:02
Speaker 2: you're not putting it anything, and Catherine's like, you don't
17:04
Speaker 2: put clothes on the dog, do you. And I'm like, oh, Catherine,
17:07
Speaker 2: just one moment, please, And of course, I walk across
17:09
Speaker 2: to the cupboard and I pull out the box which
17:11
Speaker 2: is full of all of Bailey's and pretties, all her
17:15
Speaker 2: little pretties that she puts on. But the thing is
17:21
Speaker 2: is that our dog has a real issue with clothing.
17:26
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, well yes, so I've been told that
17:28
Speaker 2: by many people, which I'll tell you about that in
17:30
Speaker 2: just a second. So anyhow, basically, we pull out the
17:32
Speaker 2: pretties and I said to Katherine, yeah, I said, have
17:36
Speaker 2: a watch of this. And I'm like, Bailey, I said,
17:38
Speaker 2: we're gonna go and bring put your pretties on, and
17:40
Speaker 2: i'd take over a little jacket, and she's frozen, like
17:44
Speaker 2: she freezes, like she stands on all four and freezers.
17:47
Speaker 2: And then I put her jacket on and like Catherine's wet,
17:50
Speaker 2: literally Nelly wet her pants laughing. I'm like, come on, Bailey,
17:54
Speaker 2: let's go outside to play with the ball. And Bailey's
17:56
Speaker 2: feet are frozen, like they're stuck to the ground, caring,
17:59
Speaker 2: like you can't move. It's like it's like a stray
18:02
Speaker 2: jacket on this dog, right, And so anyhow, I was
18:05
Speaker 2: telling Catherine that when we first got her as a puppy,
18:08
Speaker 2: we did have a little, you know, like a little
18:11
Speaker 2: nit jumper that we'd put on her. It was very pretty,
18:14
Speaker 2: which is where the word pretties, where pretties came from.
18:17
Speaker 2: And we're down the park one day and this man
18:18
Speaker 2: just walked up to us and said you shouldn't put
18:20
Speaker 2: clothes on your dog. And I was like, oh, okay,
18:24
Speaker 2: thanks for your life. I've been having a lovely day too. Yeah,
18:27
Speaker 2: thanks so much. But it really made us think. So
18:29
Speaker 2: we came home, we took the jumper off Bailey and
18:32
Speaker 2: she was the happiest dog we've ever seen. And now
18:34
Speaker 2: she just hates any time the prettiest box comes out.
18:37
Speaker 1: It's not very DIGNI fine for a dog.
18:40
Speaker 2: But it can it looks, it can look cute.
18:42
Speaker 1: I love a good Halloween costume on a dog too.
18:45
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of dogs having tam outfits
18:48
Speaker 1: because I figured that like nature has sorted it out.
18:51
Speaker 1: But I do. I love I love seeing the dogs
18:53
Speaker 1: on Halloween.
18:54
Speaker 2: We've got a Christmas outfit that we bring out. We've
18:56
Speaker 2: got a Peter Alexander little neck like you know, neck
19:01
Speaker 2: collary thing. And then we've got the denim jacket that
19:03
Speaker 2: says bite me, you know, I mean, that's pretty cool.
19:06
Speaker 2: And then we've also got we've also because we live
19:08
Speaker 2: on the beach, like the beach are a bit surfy,
19:10
Speaker 2: like in our household, we're like, oh, she needs a
19:12
Speaker 2: surfboard and like a bit of a cool hat with
19:16
Speaker 2: some sunglasses on and a Hawaiian shirt. So we've got
19:19
Speaker 2: that as well. She's a bit of a tomboy, a
19:21
Speaker 2: bit like her mother.
19:23
Speaker 1: I think that like we're as a society losing our
19:26
Speaker 1: minds with dogs, though.
19:29
Speaker 2: I know it's sad, isn't it.
19:30
Speaker 1: There's a US comedian Nate Forgatz, and he's fantastic stand up.
19:35
Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of one hour specials worth watching.
19:38
Speaker 1: But he was talking about he's about our age, talking
19:41
Speaker 1: about like in the eighties, the dog was outside and
19:45
Speaker 1: it was basically wild, and it's like, you know, should
19:49
Speaker 1: I go out in the backyard, Well I wouldn't the
19:51
Speaker 1: dog is there. And now it's like now the dogs,
19:53
Speaker 1: he said, the dog dogs are not dogs anymore. They
19:56
Speaker 1: have turned into people. We've turned them into people. But
19:59
Speaker 1: I read something other day that dogs know that we
20:03
Speaker 1: are a different species. Cats think that humans are just
20:07
Speaker 1: like incompetent cats. That it's like we're the same. But
20:10
Speaker 1: you just can't do all the good stuff that I can.
20:13
Speaker 1: You can't.
20:14
Speaker 2: I despise cats, right, I've never had a relationship with
20:18
Speaker 2: a cat in my life.
20:18
Speaker 1: I like those little black and white cats. Sometimes you
20:20
Speaker 1: see one it's got a little Hitler mustache. Yeah, that's
20:24
Speaker 1: unfortunate markings.
20:26
Speaker 2: Do you know the only cat that I really liked
20:28
Speaker 2: was the cartoon one on Puss in Boots. You know
20:33
Speaker 2: who was the actor that did the voice, Antonio Benderaz.
20:37
Speaker 1: I will say, though, and possibly telling you this for
20:40
Speaker 1: the first time, I don't know whether you're aware that's
20:41
Speaker 1: not a real cat.
20:42
Speaker 2: I know, but it's as close as I'm ever going
20:44
Speaker 2: to get to one. But the fur ball that came
20:46
Speaker 2: out of that non real cat's mouth was a ripper.
20:49
Speaker 2: That was terrific.
20:56
Speaker 1: We are covering the big issues here. Before I again,
21:00
Speaker 1: I just want to send a shout out to one
21:01
Speaker 1: of the Dribbler's, Marilyn Bell, who's been in hospital with pneumonia.
21:04
Speaker 1: I hope you're feeling better. Maryland. She would put a
21:05
Speaker 1: shout out yesterday, how can I watch the game? So
21:08
Speaker 1: hopefully feeling better by now? Though I think she's in Sydney.
21:12
Speaker 1: It might be a Swiss fand so she could be
21:13
Speaker 1: feeling a damn sight worse than before the game started.
21:16
Speaker 1: But I hope you're feeling better, Maryland. But I wanted
21:19
Speaker 1: to talk about the diamond selection. We seem a bit
21:23
Speaker 1: light on at the shooting end.
21:25
Speaker 2: We had a bit of a chat about this at
21:26
Speaker 2: the back end of Pivot yesterday and it's an interesting one, right,
21:30
Speaker 2: So I like, actually, what I see is there's opportunity, okay,
21:33
Speaker 2: and potentially that might be what Australia needs heading into
21:36
Speaker 2: the next two big campaigns. You would go as close
21:41
Speaker 2: to say that form over the next period of time.
21:45
Speaker 2: Conan Garden and Kira Austin are literally tickets book to
21:49
Speaker 2: the next two big events. You would reminding Touchwood, no injuries, etc.
21:53
Speaker 2: And there's good versatility in that. I reckon Conan's game
21:56
Speaker 2: has developed. You know, we've seen her play a bit
21:58
Speaker 2: more goal attack and it's one thing to go out
22:01
Speaker 2: and play goal attap you actually have to do it.
22:04
Speaker 2: Decent Oven said, so simple doesn't it. But I actually
22:06
Speaker 2: quite like Conan's game at Gold attacks a little bit different. Defensively,
22:10
Speaker 2: she's impressive and that's an important part. Diamonds pride themselves
22:14
Speaker 2: on really good solid defense, so she'll contribute to that
22:17
Speaker 2: at goal attack. So those three, but then you go, okay,
22:20
Speaker 2: where's the fourth position? And this is my grave concern
22:24
Speaker 2: Sophie d I've been a big fan of Sophie's for
22:27
Speaker 2: a long time. Her season has been indifferent at the Giants,
22:30
Speaker 2: but what does she look like in a Diamonds environment?
22:33
Speaker 2: And this is what a lot of people I've had
22:35
Speaker 2: I've got, I've had people messaging me, Carolyn. You wouldn't
22:37
Speaker 2: believe the amount of messages I get privately about team
22:41
Speaker 2: not being informed. They haven't selected this, and they haven't
22:43
Speaker 2: selected that.
22:43
Speaker 1: What outfits your dog wearing today? Yeah?
22:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. But what you've got to remember, though,
22:50
Speaker 2: is that one player out of form in a season
22:55
Speaker 2: can very quickly find form in a Diamonds environment. There's
23:00
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons why SSN teams may not perform
23:03
Speaker 2: in a given year. It could be the list management,
23:05
Speaker 2: it might be a disconnect with the coach. It's not
23:08
Speaker 2: always necessarily just a poor performance by the individual. And
23:11
Speaker 2: so that's the job of the selectors to kind of
23:14
Speaker 2: look beyond I guess what's directly in front of the
23:17
Speaker 2: fans eyes. And so you've got to trust the selection.
23:19
Speaker 1: To and I guess that's what they've done with Lucy
23:21
Speaker 1: Austin right, Well, has she played any super and Apple.
23:25
Speaker 2: No, I can't even think of she stepped on the
23:27
Speaker 2: court this year. My brain's escaping me at the moment.
23:30
Speaker 2: But Lucy Austin's a future talent, you have to She's
23:35
Speaker 2: a great height, she's a long range shooter, she's a
23:37
Speaker 2: target under the post. She needs to be playing SSN
23:40
Speaker 2: and that's a big challenge for her in her decision
23:44
Speaker 2: making moving forward. It's not the responsibility of the Adelaide Thunderbirds,
23:49
Speaker 2: so it's on Lucy to make those decisions. And so
23:53
Speaker 2: but like I think it's really good that the Diamonds
23:55
Speaker 2: a that's again, that's the job. If I was sitting
23:58
Speaker 2: in the selector's chair, you don't you don't get too
24:00
Speaker 2: caught up in Danell playing in New Zealand, or Lucy
24:03
Speaker 2: not playing in a game, or Alice t Neil, you know,
24:06
Speaker 2: playing riper netball. But we've already got fifteen wing attacks.
24:09
Speaker 2: You have to make decisions well and over beyond what
24:12
Speaker 2: we're all just seeing as fans. So yeah, it's.
24:15
Speaker 1: Interesting that this is this the downside of the internationals
24:19
Speaker 1: playing in our camp, Like it is the best camp.
24:21
Speaker 1: It's great netball. But if you've got someone like Lucy
24:24
Speaker 1: Austin who can't get caught time because there are international shooters,
24:29
Speaker 1: it's like are we But you're dead right, it's not
24:31
Speaker 1: the Thunderbird's responsibility to do that. Thunderbird's responsibility is to
24:34
Speaker 1: win premiership.
24:35
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the great it's the great debate of the game,
24:39
Speaker 2: isn't it the world's best netball competition and opening up
24:42
Speaker 2: the shores for the best talent in the world to
24:45
Speaker 2: be here, But to make sure that we're balancing it
24:48
Speaker 2: with a really good Australian pathway. And I don't think
24:50
Speaker 2: this debate will ever go away. But the good news
24:53
Speaker 2: is that every trophy that exists, it's in our cabinets.
24:56
Speaker 1: So overseas at the moment as well, Lation.
25:00
Speaker 2: Cut one overseas. But you know, like go back to
25:02
Speaker 2: where we had nothing and it was right in the
25:04
Speaker 2: midst of vessels in and you know, I think we
25:07
Speaker 2: have a responsibility and you know, in an ultimate world
25:10
Speaker 2: we get a number of an increasing teams if the
25:13
Speaker 2: system can afford it, and there's more Australian opportunities that
25:15
Speaker 2: open up. It's not going to stop the big names
25:17
Speaker 2: coming to our shores. There's too much at stake to
25:19
Speaker 2: win premierships. So and it's an entertainment product. It's just
25:24
Speaker 2: trying to find the balance amongst all of those.
25:26
Speaker 1: And at one hundred percent does entertain doesn't it's absolutely fantastic.
25:30
Speaker 1: Hey question for you. So teams that are now out
25:33
Speaker 1: of the finals, so let's look at Sunshine case for example.
25:36
Speaker 1: If those players don't have a contract, are they off contract? Now,
25:39
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking is just and obviously this is a
25:42
Speaker 1: complete hypothetical with Teak and ashanitsy out. Could Brian E
25:46
Speaker 1: ring ash Evan and say I've got a little short
25:49
Speaker 1: turned contract for you for the next couple for one
25:51
Speaker 1: week maybe two.
25:53
Speaker 2: Na so all contracts go through to the thirtieth of September.
25:57
Speaker 2: So if your season finishes short, you still you're still
25:59
Speaker 2: locked the way with your class and you've got a
26:00
Speaker 2: lot of commercial commitments that you know, you're still kind
26:04
Speaker 2: of ticking boxes for sponsors, you're trying to sell membership
26:07
Speaker 2: for the following season, you're heading out to associations and
26:10
Speaker 2: connecting with grassroots. So the players have that plus also too,
26:13
Speaker 2: they've got annual leave to get away and then some
26:16
Speaker 2: of them have international commitments, so they'll be a couple
26:20
Speaker 2: of weeks off and then straight into normal programming in
26:23
Speaker 2: terms of training, So there's no opportunity for those sneaky
26:26
Speaker 2: little contracts. At the moment, as far as contracting is concerned,
26:30
Speaker 2: we're in an embargoed period. So the finals basically shuts
26:33
Speaker 2: down all ability to contract. So you had up until
26:36
Speaker 2: the week before finals, starting the week of final starting
26:40
Speaker 2: where you could contract your own athletes that were in
26:42
Speaker 2: your club or anyone that wasn't currently contracted. And then
26:46
Speaker 2: now we're embargoed. And then on the Monday after the
26:48
Speaker 2: Grand Final that free agent window opens up, so and
26:52
Speaker 2: then it's like hell for lever.
26:53
Speaker 1: Well, that's exciting, isn't it.
26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah?
26:54
Speaker 1: Okay, so that the Maps have made a couple of
26:56
Speaker 1: announcements about locking in some of their own players. Again,
27:00
Speaker 1: I can't think of who other than Shimona Jock, but yeah,
27:02
Speaker 1: they have made some announcements. I haven't seen anyone else
27:04
Speaker 1: making announcements.
27:05
Speaker 2: No, no, and at a lot of clubs that are
27:08
Speaker 2: in finals and ours there's one example of it. We'll
27:10
Speaker 2: worry about it once. Yeah, you know, we're doing whatever
27:13
Speaker 2: we are and we need to in the background, but
27:15
Speaker 2: we'll go public. Like at the moment, the focus is
27:17
Speaker 2: on the team being successful and so you don't want
27:20
Speaker 2: to kind of just I guess, yeah, take anyr focus
27:23
Speaker 2: away from that. So there'll be a lot of announcements
27:25
Speaker 2: in the week's straight after the Grand Final, imagine from
27:28
Speaker 2: lots of clubs, which is exciting.
27:29
Speaker 1: And do you reckon, there's going to be much more
27:31
Speaker 1: change in the coaching realm. So we've got Julie Fitzgerald
27:35
Speaker 1: announcing that she's stepped in, and you know, hats off
27:38
Speaker 1: to her. She would have known this at the last game,
27:42
Speaker 1: and she let Joe Harton have that space, which I
27:45
Speaker 1: thought was really generous that she didn't make this decision
27:47
Speaker 1: three days ago. She would have known. She would have
27:50
Speaker 1: made this decision over time, but said you can have
27:53
Speaker 1: that spotlight and you can have that farewell moment. I
27:55
Speaker 1: thought that was really really generous and you know, consistent
27:59
Speaker 1: with thing I know about Julie Fitzgerald.
28:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, very consistent with the
28:03
Speaker 2: lady that is Julie Fitzgerald, isn't it. And I'm hoping,
28:07
Speaker 2: fingers crossed that she's going to sit down with Cat
28:10
Speaker 2: Cox and do a bit of a nice little chat
28:13
Speaker 2: potentially before the Grand Final. Hopefully that pulls off. I
28:16
Speaker 2: think that'll be great to hear from her. Yeah, good
28:19
Speaker 2: on her. And so we actually said on Pivot, yes, say,
28:22
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting one. We hadn't heard Julie
28:25
Speaker 2: use the word retirement post on Facebook yesterday she thanked
28:32
Speaker 2: everyone for all of their messages and use the word retirement.
28:36
Speaker 2: So I guess I mean the thing is with you
28:40
Speaker 2: never say never, right, Like it's a tough one to
28:41
Speaker 2: say retirement, Julie. There will be plenty of opportunities for
28:45
Speaker 2: Julie to go and do bits and pieces around the world.
28:47
Speaker 2: There's always, you know, like there's always countries looking for
28:51
Speaker 2: you know, good coaches to go in and help their
28:53
Speaker 2: coaches or you know, et cetera. So I think there
28:55
Speaker 2: might be some nice things for Julia to get involved in.
28:59
Speaker 2: Does she come back in coach at this level? Again,
29:02
Speaker 2: that's probably what I think the word retirement means, maybe
29:06
Speaker 2: we don't see your coaching SSN again. Would she get
29:09
Speaker 2: involved in pathway programs potentially? Does she get involved internationally potentially?
29:14
Speaker 2: But yeah, what a career, Hey, I'm real.
29:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I wonder if there's something too about accessing
29:21
Speaker 1: a super that she has to officially retire, even if
29:23
Speaker 1: she can still do bits and pieces of contract work,
29:26
Speaker 1: because there is like a financial threshold that you're allowed
29:29
Speaker 1: to still earn a little bit or whatever. But it
29:31
Speaker 1: may well she might have had an accountant say, no,
29:33
Speaker 1: you have to officially retire.
29:35
Speaker 2: Well that'd a bit tough, wouldn't it like your accountant
29:37
Speaker 2: telling you to give up your netball career?
29:42
Speaker 1: But so the giants will giants have to work out
29:45
Speaker 1: whether the giants are the giants next year. So they've
29:47
Speaker 1: got to But really, you've got to lock in the
29:50
Speaker 1: coach before you can lock in players. Don't because there's
29:52
Speaker 1: a lot of I think this was Kim Green was
29:54
Speaker 1: talking about this on Pivot that it's like there's a clause,
29:56
Speaker 1: there was clauses in her contract saying if the coach changes,
29:58
Speaker 1: I can go.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not every player has that, you know, like
30:02
Speaker 2: I can tell you I've negotiated a lot of contracts
30:05
Speaker 2: and not every player has that. But you know, we
30:07
Speaker 2: certainly locked in a Fever team without a coach before
30:12
Speaker 2: Dan Ryan was announced, and it's not easy. Players are very,
30:18
Speaker 2: very mindful, and so they should be around who's going
30:21
Speaker 2: to be at the lead. I guess the interesting thing
30:26
Speaker 2: for me with the Giants is I just don't know
30:29
Speaker 2: whether their timing is going to match. And I'm personally
30:34
Speaker 2: a really big believer in going to market around these things.
30:38
Speaker 2: And if you've got the luxury of time on your side,
30:41
Speaker 2: I think testing the market, and you can test the
30:45
Speaker 2: market privately, but I do think it's really important that
30:48
Speaker 2: you know you test the market broadly. And I don't
30:51
Speaker 2: know whether the Giants are going to have time to
30:52
Speaker 2: do that. So, like you say, list management's happening, recruitment's happening.
30:57
Speaker 2: Unless they've got something ticking over in the back ground,
31:00
Speaker 2: I don't know. But yeah, this for me is a
31:03
Speaker 2: really interesting space to watch, to see who pops up,
31:08
Speaker 2: interesting and in bloody important, so.
31:10
Speaker 1: Much go God. If the season ends and you think,
31:12
Speaker 1: oh it's sad, but it's like, oh, it's all the
31:14
Speaker 1: off court stuff that gets interesting.
31:17
Speaker 2: It's a show on its own, isn't it.
31:18
Speaker 1: I only let you go shortly, but I do have
31:20
Speaker 1: a question from a dribbler, and I think you're the
31:22
Speaker 1: person to answer this. So Jenna Jenna listens to the
31:26
Speaker 1: podcast in the middle of the night, feeding her two
31:28
Speaker 1: months old baby boy. But she said, the numbers on
31:30
Speaker 1: the player's dresses, do they signify anything? And how do
31:33
Speaker 1: they get to choose what the number is? Or are
31:35
Speaker 1: they allocated a number?
31:37
Speaker 2: Okay, so sometimes there's two numbers on a dress, but
31:40
Speaker 2: I would.
31:41
Speaker 1: Imagine that the none of the back and one at
31:42
Speaker 1: the sime.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the one at the side, that number is
31:47
Speaker 2: for the score bench only, Okay, right, so it helps
31:50
Speaker 2: the score bench identified because since the rolling subs came.
31:54
Speaker 2: Because so if you go back before the rolling stubs,
31:56
Speaker 2: we used to have the old paperwork system where the
31:58
Speaker 2: poor manager on the side of the bench to God
32:00
Speaker 2: that their coach wasn't having a midlife crisis and making
32:03
Speaker 2: a thousand changes at once and having to write all
32:05
Speaker 2: the bloody paperwork quickly and then run it over to
32:08
Speaker 2: the bench. And it was like, God, I'm so so outdated.
32:11
Speaker 2: But then when the rolling subs came on. It was madness, right,
32:16
Speaker 2: Like you've got people coming and going. And even if
32:18
Speaker 2: you think of it from an international because I think
32:20
Speaker 2: they started at an international level. Even at an international
32:23
Speaker 2: level when you kind of see countries for the first time,
32:26
Speaker 2: you actually don't know the player's names. Like we've got
32:29
Speaker 2: the luxury of knowing these superstars daily, right, but internationally
32:33
Speaker 2: you don't know them. And so numbers. That's where the
32:36
Speaker 2: numbers came from. So it just allows the score bench
32:39
Speaker 2: to identify the number and then link that to the
32:42
Speaker 2: player's name.
32:43
Speaker 1: Do they have that same number through the season. You're
32:45
Speaker 1: just given a number, and yeah.
32:46
Speaker 2: That doesn't change their because it gets printed onto their
32:49
Speaker 2: dress and the other number, the other number is not
32:52
Speaker 2: on everyone's resspect like that'll be their player number that
32:55
Speaker 2: the club.
32:55
Speaker 1: So Steph Frettwell would have one on hers.
32:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and number one or whatever, and yeah, Kate Maloney
33:01
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, number thirty or one or whatever
33:04
Speaker 2: number shit is he? So that's usually the club number.
33:06
Speaker 1: Thank you, and thanks Jenner for sending that question in Yeah,
33:09
Speaker 1: I reckon. We could sit here for hours, but it's
33:12
Speaker 1: the day after your team has qualified for Grand Finals.
33:16
Speaker 1: You have a bucket load of work to do.
33:18
Speaker 2: So shout out just quickly to the Vixens. Shout out
33:21
Speaker 2: to the Vixens. That was a great win by them yesterday.
33:24
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were going to do it. Even
33:26
Speaker 1: in that last thirty seconds, I thought, I reckon, your
33:29
Speaker 1: heart's about to be broken. But I was really I
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Speaker 1: was really happy to say. I am worried about them
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Speaker 1: going potentially going to another Grand Final and losing another
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Speaker 1: Grand Final.
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Speaker 2: Like that's I look, you know, I mean my gutt
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Speaker 2: is is that the best Grand Final is Fever and Vixens.
33:45
Speaker 2: In terms of the style of play two sides, I
33:49
Speaker 2: think the probably two like Thunderbirds, certainly have o the
33:54
Speaker 2: best defensive side in terms of gains, but in terms
33:57
Speaker 2: of defensive kind of gill across the court, I reckon
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Speaker 2: Vixen's and Fever of the two that stand out like
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Speaker 2: a Melbourne crowd. Yeah, anyhow, but I just want to say,
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Speaker 2: yesterday and watching the Vixens play, you know, when you're
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Speaker 2: writing scripts, the script was going to be that the
34:14
Speaker 2: Vixens had their nose in front the whole game, and
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Speaker 2: then you know, Thunderbirds through Georgie. How just find a
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Speaker 2: way the crowd gets up and then they know they
34:21
Speaker 2: steal the thunder at the end. But if you go
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Speaker 2: back to the very beginning of the game, and funnily enough,
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Speaker 2: it was said in the commentary, there was just this
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Speaker 2: level of connection and calmness from the Vixens yesterday that
34:35
Speaker 2: was just a little different. And every time the Thunderbirds
34:40
Speaker 2: had a moment of challenge, the Vixen's found a way
34:42
Speaker 2: to either win the ball back pretty quickly or just
34:45
Speaker 2: keep their scoreboard pressure ticking over. And even when they
34:48
Speaker 2: switched Torgeous and she popped a couple of super shots,
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Speaker 2: and then at the end, oh, there was just this sense.
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Speaker 2: I was just sitting there going, no Vixens have got this.
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Speaker 2: I just can't the script. I can see where the
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Speaker 2: script could go, but I was just They're going, I
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Speaker 2: think this is Vixen's so nice for Samon mcinness.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely interesting, isn't it. So you know you've talked about
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Speaker 1: teams needing to learn how to close out a game,
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Speaker 1: how to win, when to surge at the right time.
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Speaker 1: I think the Adelaide crowd needs to learn how to
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Speaker 1: be losing and still supporting because they are so quiet.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the hardest places to commentate why because
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Speaker 2: when their team's not doing well, the stadium is dead. Yes, yeah,
35:28
Speaker 2: like there's just nothing. It's like, yeah, they're very patriotic
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Speaker 2: for their side and their side alone, but they're also
35:36
Speaker 2: very can be brutal when their side's not playing well.
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Speaker 1: But whereas you go to Lightning, you hear their crowd.
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Speaker 1: Lightning can be twelve twelve goals behind and the crowd
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Speaker 1: is going bananas at every goal that they get, and
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Speaker 1: it's like that has to make a difference.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting way. It's it's funny, isn't it funny?
35:54
Speaker 2: Like teams behave in a different way side of crowds
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Speaker 2: like and they do definitely behave. The Melbourne Vixen's crowds
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Speaker 2: really interesting one too. They've got a little bit more
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Speaker 2: patriotic over the last couple of years, but I go
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Speaker 2: back ten fifteen years ago when I was commentating there
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Speaker 2: and they're the most educated crowd that Like, if there's
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Speaker 2: a pass that ninety percent of fans would look and go, oh,
36:15
Speaker 2: that's a good pass, but the Vixen's fans are like, no,
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Speaker 2: that was poorly executed. I'm not interested in that it's like,
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Speaker 2: my god, what's wrong with you? But they've got better.
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Speaker 2: In the last couple they get up and about a
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Speaker 2: bit more, which is good.
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Speaker 1: So well, they might be feeling good today and look
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Speaker 1: for mine. Honestly, I don't think the Swifts are going
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Speaker 1: to turn it around by the weekend and be able
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Speaker 1: to get over the Vixens. But I'm actually not interested
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Speaker 1: in that anymore. I just want them to feel good.
36:42
Speaker 1: I want them to be competitive, I want them to
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Speaker 1: work together. I want them to enjoy the game. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they've done so well to get where they are. They
36:50
Speaker 1: deserve to be in the finals. They were the strongest
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Speaker 1: team for first eight rounds of the comp. Things have changed.
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Speaker 1: They're missing Page, they're missing Teagan. But you know, I
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Speaker 1: am just really hoping that this weekend's game sends them
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Speaker 1: out with their tail feathers up and feeling good. I
37:09
Speaker 1: don't I don't think they're going to win. I would
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Speaker 1: love that, obviously, but I just feel like the Vixen's
37:17
Speaker 1: just as you say. They looked really calm. Remember last
37:19
Speaker 1: year's Grand Final. They came out like buddy bats out
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Speaker 1: of hell, the Vixens, and I thought, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this is this sustainable and we soon found out that
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Speaker 1: it was not sustainable. There was none of that yesterday.
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Speaker 1: It was sort of like, no, we are here to
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Speaker 1: do a job.
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Speaker 2: Job. Yeah, yeah, they're They're like they say, you know,
37:35
Speaker 2: you've got a time you run And I think Vixens
37:37
Speaker 2: are timing it perfectly. I think this would be a
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Speaker 2: fascinating week to have a documentary crew at the Swifts
37:43
Speaker 2: to follow the week I'd be there'd be so much learning.
37:46
Speaker 2: I thought Briany was pretty brutal but honest in a
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Speaker 2: press conference postgame and you know, like we were chatting
37:53
Speaker 2: afterwards as coaches, you know, what would you do this
37:56
Speaker 2: week if you were the Swift's coach? How would you
37:58
Speaker 2: manage the week? What is it that's going to get
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Speaker 2: the most significant shift in a team that's underperforming. They
38:04
Speaker 2: get paid Hadley back, that will help, but it isn't
38:07
Speaker 2: the answer. They've lost an enormous amount in terms of
38:10
Speaker 2: O'shannessy because you're fundamentally left with Klow and Turner and
38:17
Speaker 2: if that's not working, and I said this yesterday, for me,
38:22
Speaker 2: Clay and Turner were left a little underdone by Landon
38:25
Speaker 2: and any other mid quarter that was there I just
38:27
Speaker 2: didn't think they did their job yesterday, and so I.
38:30
Speaker 1: Felt really sad for Sarah Cloud and Maddie Turner yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I felt like they were doing a job that was
38:37
Speaker 1: much better than the scoreboard reflected. And you know, Maddie Turner,
38:41
Speaker 1: obviously is the captain, is trying to lift and stay positive.
38:45
Speaker 1: But you could see with Sarah Klau she was just like,
38:48
Speaker 1: this is I'm not enjoying myself today.
38:52
Speaker 2: And our team teams win finals, not players, and so
38:55
Speaker 2: swiftly got to find a team performance. And like I said,
38:57
Speaker 2: getting Hadley back will be a really good for them,
39:01
Speaker 2: but they're gonna have to They're gonna have to find
39:04
Speaker 2: a game plan and they're gonna have to make it
39:06
Speaker 2: work on the weekend. And you know, at the moment,
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Speaker 2: their game plan over the last four to six weeks
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Speaker 2: has been inconsistent.
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Speaker 1: It's been really interesting.
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Speaker 2: Been inconsistently executed.
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Speaker 1: So what the hell has happened?
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Speaker 2: I don't know anyhow, be an interesting week.
39:22
Speaker 1: But thank you for joining us, and congratulations and congratulations
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Speaker 1: to all of the Fever organization and the fans like
39:29
Speaker 1: and I bet there's a I bet the honest website
39:33
Speaker 1: is getting absolutely hammered today, people going yeah, well I'm
39:37
Speaker 1: on my way over.
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Speaker 2: Terrific alrighty okay.
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Speaker 1: Well thank you and yeah all the best, have a
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Speaker 1: good week.
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Speaker 2: Thanks jamp Show everyone, see you Dribbler the Dribblers Bye,