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#338: Kenny Roseman – J.U.M.P. Smart Texas | Building a Facility for Jumpers & Bridging Club-High School Gaps · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  of amazing guest men and women who choose to be track coaches.
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  Man, just so pumped for that today.
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  Pumped because this guy, we started to come friends, not
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  just business people. Like I just love what he does.
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  I've got to see two of his facilities now, which I know
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  we're going to talk about that. I'm just super excited to
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  introduce you to this week's guest.
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  I don't think enough people know him and he's doing some amazing
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  things for young people around the country, but specifically in
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  Texas. And we're going to talk about
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  that. Help me welcome the creator, the
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  director, the Grand Poobah, the guy who, you know, the CEO plus
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  the janitor. He does it all there at a, at a
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  facility called Jump Smart Texas.
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  We're going to learn more about what that means.
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  Help me welcome the wise, the wonderful Mr. Kenny Roseman.
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  Kenny, how are you, Sir? I'm doing well, Mike.
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  How you doing man? I appreciate you having me on.
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  I said, I know we you got a chance to come by two
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  facilities. So you know, getting a chance to
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  come to your podcast and talk a little bit.
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  Been knowing you for many years now and hearing about your
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  daughter growing up and sharing shirts and different things like
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  that. It's cool to finally sit down
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  and talk for a little while. Absolutely.
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  Man, did I get that right. CEO, janitor, everything in
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  between, right? I've seen it in action so I know
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  it's right. And we try to, we try to get in
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  there and get everything done to me and my coaches kind of split
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  up duties. But whoever's there, we, we, we
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  make it happen. Yeah, man.
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  Well, I'm pumped, man. You know, kind of working
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  backwards a little bit before we go back to the origin story
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  here. You know, you're running a
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  facility there in the Dallas Fort Worth area.
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  This is your second facility that I've seen, obviously
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  focusing on jumps based on the name, but you do kind of all,
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  you've had a bunch of amazing athletes there.
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  I'm just really like so proud of you, dude.
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  Like, you know, I love our high school and our college coaches,
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  no doubt. I mean, he was former high
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  school and college coach myself. But I've seen you and we'll
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  definitely talk about this as we move along in the journey.
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  I've seen you really be cognizant of bridging the gap
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  between club coaches and high school coaches.
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  And that's something that, you know, especially in the state of
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  Texas, But I know what happens in all 50 states.
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  You know that that's a an issue that's out there is this club
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  versus high school thing. And you know, one of the, you
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  know, leader, leaders lead, right?
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  So one of the places that I want to be leading in is how do we
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  bridge that gap, create that communication.
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  So, you know, knowing you and seeing what you've done, you're
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  helpful in that respect. And so we'll make sure we
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  definitely talk about that issue, if you will, and what we
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  can, you know, maybe learn from you and help, you know, increase
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  that communication so we can stop the bickering.
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  Because the only people who lose, by the way, are the kids.
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  That that's the problem with this whole thing is that's the
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  only people who lose are the kids.
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  And so we want to be leaders together.
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  Yeah, perfect. Love that.
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  Well, before we start, so the facility, say the facility, the,
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  the club, the company, the facility is called Jump Smart
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  Texas. You've told me this before and
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  of course I've forgotten it 'cause I just think of you.
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  You're the face to me. Not what the what it stands for,
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  but I know it stands for something.
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  Remind me what Jump stands for? JUMP stands for Join us making
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  progress. It started as a as a nonprofit a
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  little bit before COVID. So just helping out jumpers in
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  the area, Texas area, get to college.
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  I had opportunity to coach some really good jumpers along the
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  way, as well as, you know, help and assist other Texas athletes
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  getting to the next level. We've had a bunch of kids that
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  would come in from, you know, Houston or, you know, now East
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  Texas and Midland and, you know, really far, far places to get to
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  from Dallas. But, you know, I got a chance to
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  train some of these kids and then help get them to college.
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  So that really helped, you know, the join us making progress
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  because I do want to see kids get to college.
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  I think that's the the main goal of the program.
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  You know, we can jump for it, but one of the main things that
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  I press is, you know, we're going to go to college, we're
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  going to graduate, and we're going to use jumping as a tool
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  to do that. Yeah, and I love, you know, all
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  of your facilities I've been to, you know, you obviously, you
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  know, a lot of pride in the schools that your athletes do go
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  to. And so you have flags up on the
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  wall and I've seen, you know, the University of Oregon and
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  Texas and all those, those great schools.
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  But you, you know, you kind of live the truth that you speak
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  of. And that I've also seen the
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  quote UN quote smaller school flags up there too.
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  It's not like I don't get sense that you allow your ego to go,
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  man. Yeah, we send all these kids to
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  D1. It's like, no, no, no, we send
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  our kids to college. They go to they go to school.
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  I think, I think it's hard now, especially with this roster
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  spots and how, how I guess competitive the NCAA is now.
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  It's it's hard for a lot of high school kids to be ready for that
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  level. And not that they can't get
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  there, but it's not the same recruiting class as it was 10
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  years ago. You know, the the 24 foot jumper
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  might have had a chance to go to a 24 low guy might have had a
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  chance to, you know, get big, you know, full rides in some of
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  these bigger schools. Now it's not not that case.
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  Do you think before this just kind of came up to me when you
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  said that because of these, the roster limits on the Division
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  One side, Do you think then is it more important today you
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  mentioned that 24 kid that they have a second and third event,
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  Meaning like, is it going to be hard for a kid who's just a good
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  long jumper and you know, maybe doesn't even do the triple jump
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  and you know, he's probably fast, but maybe he doesn't run
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  on the relays or whatnot at school.
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  Is it going to be better for a kid to maybe be not as high?
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  Like not be a 25 foot jumper that's obviously great, but if
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  he's a 24 he better be a 50 plus triple jumper and a 10/2 or
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  something like that to get these roster spot spots.
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  And I have seen I'm not a college coach, but I have, we
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  have hundreds of kids in college now and just going through the
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  recruiting process and how it's changed in the last years, it's
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  you're going to have to be able to provide value.
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  So whether that's you being a conference champion, regional,
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  you know, national qualifier, or you being able to be competitive
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  in two events like you were saying, or multiple events, or
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  being a a long jump kid that can hop on a relay or the same
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  thing, a long jumper that can score a point or two and triple
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  jump. You know, I think that
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  especially for like, I guess our training program, we have to be
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  able to provide value. So whether that's one or two
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  events, I'm not saying be a stud at everything we do, but we have
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  to, again, depending on the level, get these kids ready to
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  be able to help a team. Yeah, I'm gonna use extremes
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  here, but yeah, it makes it seem like a if a kids a 26 foot long
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  jumper but does nothing else versus a kid is a 25 and also a
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  52 triple and a like I said, a 10/2 is like, oh, I I might give
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  up that 26 footer to go get that 25.
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  That's you you talk about. You get the right word value.
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  Like, oh, wait a minute, I got 2 maybe 3-4 events out of this kid
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  versus someone. So maybe the lesson out there
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  for high school coaches and high school athletes is keep yourself
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  available to do other events. Don't.
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  You may be a great long term, you may be a great high jumper.
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  You might want to start finding another event that you also can
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  be very good at if that's your goal.
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  Not everybody wants to go to Division One and not everybody
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  should honestly go Division One. There's a lot of other great
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  schools and coaches and programs out there.
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  So, but I like that word value. That's that.
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  Seems like a keyword there. All right.
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  I think on any level of the recruiting process where it's
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  NAIA, JUCO, D1D2D3, I think it's still value.
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  And it, it, we can range the scales like for any, any level
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  of you know, that the kid may be at, but I think it's still going
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  to be providing value because I think that's how you know the
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  world works. You know at at your job you have
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  to provide a value so they pay you that's.
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  Right, so that's right. Yeah.
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  If we came to jump smart Texas and you said yeah, I only do the
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  long jump, they'd be like, well, this other guy does triple and
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  high and hurdle. What do you mean you only do All
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  right, well, I guess maybe I'm not getting as much value there.
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  Yeah, I love that one. That's going to be the theme.
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  I think I love that. Well, let's bring value.
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  You know, one of our our number one goal here is to uplift and
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  honor you and your journey, what you've done in this great sport,
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  in this great profession. And also for our listeners, you
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  know how we bring value to them that like what we just had that
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  conversation there. I think that's that's value for
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  for listeners as well. So let's hop in our way back
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  machine. Can you know assume it?
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  Well, I know you there's no assumption here.
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  I know you are an athlete. So knowing that you are an
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  athlete, where does track and field start for you?
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  Oh, I was thinking 6th or 7th grade.
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  I was, I grew up playing soccer and football prices.
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  I was 6 around I guess I think 7th grade.
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  My mom introduced me to triple jump and that's only because I
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  was again a soccer player so that I they put me in the 800 in
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  the mile and of course I hated it.
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  Nobody wants to. So of course I hated it.
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  So what's the thing to get me to run the least?
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  I guess it was long jump, triple jump, high jump.
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  So I I got to experimenting with those and again, I was still a
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  soccer player more, more. So I would say until maybe my
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  sophomore junior year, I kind of find found a private coach that
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  did something similar to what I'm doing now and I improved a
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  whole lot and I was like, well, maybe track isn't that bad.
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  You know, that's interesting. A lot of times I like asking our
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  coaches who were athletes who played football and track, like,
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  hey, so were you a, you know, would you have considered
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  yourself a football player who ran track or a track?
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  You, you, you kind of have the same question though, with
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  soccer. So I'm hearing like maybe at
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  least in the beginning, you were a soccer player who did track,
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  not a track athlete who did. Soccer, No, I, I did, I, I just,
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  I was a competitive soccer like I did club soccer until my
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  junior year and then it was, I remember I had to miss a
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  tournament to go to Nike Indoor Nationals and I end up getting
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  third there. So it was all right, man.
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  I know I'm not the third best soccer player in the country.
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  And so just finding a little bit of success in triple jumpers and
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  then being OK and long jump back then was all right, man.
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  Maybe I should Probably. That's funny.
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  That's what I like that Like I know I'm not the third best
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  soccer guy out there. Were you?
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  Because I think soccer is different.
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  So I'm kind of just curious, were you, were you good enough
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  in soccer though to be recruited?
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  I was getting to the recruitable age.
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  I I stopped club my junior. I played high school like, but
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  it wasn't. High level because soccer is.
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  I thought soccer was a little different, like like a much,
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  much earlier. We do, like I said, Olympic
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  development programs and like teams they had and that's why I
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  kind of think I brought with the track muse and the stuff that
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  I'm trying to do is a little bit more showcase style, right?
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  The Olympic team development, different things like that.
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  It's I guess soccer. They recruit for colleges, but I
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  mean they also get recruited to play pro soccer.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a different system than, you know,
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  I'm used to maybe a little bit more straightforward sports,
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  track and football, which always, you know, trips me out
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  when like things that happen outside the norm.
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  Like in football, when you hear about the 8th grader whose offer
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  and it's like, what do you mean they were like their 8th grade?
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  Like who even who even knows what they're going to be as a
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  sophomore and who that coach even going to be there, for
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  crying out loud? So but soccer had always heard
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  was a little little little difference.
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  I think that that OD program I think has a lot to do with that.
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  Yeah. So you get introduced fairly
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  early. You know, you get introduced to
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  your favorite events, the 800 and the mile early, but then
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  finally move over to the jumps. Of course.
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  What was it? Besides not having to run 2
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  laps, 3 laps, 4 laps? What was it about the jumps that
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  kind of Yeah, what you got introduced to him?
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  Like, really? I'll say what your appetite.
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  You're like, oh, wait a minute, this is what I'm supposed to be
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  doing? Well, my, I think my family
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  played basketball. Most of my family played
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  basketball. I and they, they guys said they
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  can jump high. I guess like my dad could was,
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  you know, 5859 He was doing all the between the legs jumped.
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  So for me, a soccer player doesn't show that right.
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  So when I get to go out there and you know, I was being a
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  little shorter guy that can like a dunk and do all this other
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  stuff, it was it was cool to see that stuff, I guess.
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  So I think that's kind of what I liked as I got older, the
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  technique, especially triple jump.
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  I'm still a big perfectionist and I think you have a lot to
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  that you can improve on. I was never the fastest Sprint
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  guy. So I think long jump, it wasn't,
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  I was never going to be a, you know, a Carl Lewis or a big
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  super, super far along jumper just because I was never very, I
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  wasn't blazing, you know, Yeah. Did you, first of all, are you
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  growing up in Texas? Are you from?
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  Yeah, I'm from the Dallas area. Yeah, OK.
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  When you got introduced to long and triple, like I'm trying to
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  remember. So I don't know if I've ever
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  told this story before. So in high school, I know I've
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  told this part in high school, my first three years, freshmen
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  through junior, my track coach, Dennis Anderson, love him to
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  death, but had no clue what it meant to coach track.
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  We literally did our events and went home every single day.
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  Now, I was an 800 Miller guy, right?
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  So every day I'd run the 4 by 8, the open 8, the mile that and
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  then usually like the two mile or the four by four or both.
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  And we literally did it in order, like we'd run our 4 by 8.
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  All the rest of the team would watch us.
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  Well, the four of us ran the four by 8:00 and then we turn
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  our eyes to the 100 and the 100 guys would run.
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  Well, eventually I started thinking like, wait a minute,
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  why don't I just run like the 100 or something?
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  That's, that's way less to do with practice, right?
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  Well, I wasn't fast enough, right?
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  But I was like, Hey, you know what, I, I still remember this.
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  I lived right across the street from the high school.
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  So I, I went over one night after practice and I was like,
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  maybe it was a weekend. And I was like, you know, we
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  don't have very many long jumpers.
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  Like I wonder if I become the long jump guy.
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  I don't even think we even knew what the triple jump was, bro.
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  So that, that that wasn't even in my head.
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  But I was like, I bet I could long jump.
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  And then all I have to do at practice is do a couple long
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  jumps. Yeah, smart thinking here,
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  right. So I go over to our runway and
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  I'm, you know, the, the smart. That's all the smart thing.
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  And the rest is all dumb. I don't know anything about the
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  long jump. So I literally just go to the
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  very end of the runway. So, you know, 150 feet or
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  whatever the heck it was. Oh well, yeah, you know, all the
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  way down is a is a pretty tough statement to say.
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  They can, you know, I run as fast as I can for as far as I
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  can. I'm basically jogging when I get
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  to the, you know, we didn't have a board, just the paint and I
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  jumped and obviously, you know, didn't get very far, but it hurt
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  as as well. I just remember like just, you
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  know, trying to do everything, whatever.
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  I thought long jump was like it hurt.
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  I literally was like, Nah, I'll stick to 800.
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  That's how bad in the long jump I was, bro, I was so bad.
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  I was like, I'd rather do the 800.
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  That's how terrible I was. Do you remember your first time
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  of like, OK, whether it's the long or the triple, do you
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  remember the first time in like, oh man, either that hurt or it's
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  like, oh, wait a minute, Like I'm kind of pretty good at this.
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  Like, you know, there's some natural talent to some of this
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  stuff. I.
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  Mean against my coach, I guess starting off sounds like you my
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  but that was my mom and my dad actually taught me how to jump
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  when I started right. So again, they weren't high
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  level jumpers and how I learned how to long jump was my dad
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  would swing a rake like a baseball bat at around knee
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  level and I had to jump over the rake to get my feet.
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  Up. Shut up.
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  We didn't have hurdles so that he was swinging like he wasn't
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  swinging fast, but. OK, I'm sorry in.
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  My head. Excuse me, not my head in my.
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  Head. I was like.
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  It had a little speed. I have a scar on my knee to
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  prove it, but that's that's how I learned how to get my feet.
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  We didn't have a hurdle, so I learned how to jump, get my feet
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  up that way. I'm thinking I got to call DCFS
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  on your dad. Now I got a number we can call
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  now. Yeah.
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  So that's that's how I learned how to do certain drills.
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  But I think. So you, you were taught like
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  actual drill, you know, whether that's the right or wrong drill.
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  You were actually kind of taught how to long jump where I was
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  just like, here's what the long jump is, run and jump and you
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  know, you got to. Yeah, I mean they to an extent,
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  yeah. They just said run and jump as
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  far as you can, triple jump. You know, it's always the little
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  baby second phase. So I definitely started like
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  that as as I got older, I, let's say, did some private lessons,
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  went to the TCU camps and all that stuff.
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  So. Oh, you got?
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  To go camps too. Yeah.
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  Did did you like this? Always amazes me, you know, as
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  someone who ended up becoming a a fairly good triple jump coach
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  here myself, all because of my mentor Boosh X later, though,
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  nothing from definitely nothing from my experiences, But you
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  know, I got pretty good. And so I love when when I when I
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  talk to people about track or, you know, they talk about their
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  experiences and they'll go in invariably someone will say,
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  well, I tried to triple jump and that hurts.
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  And it's like really not triple jumping doesn't hurt when you do
• 17:47
  it right. Anything hurts if you do it
• 17:49
  wrong, But it's like it's just so funny.
• 17:51
  The triple jump is an automatic like, Oh, that even good ones,
• 17:54
  it hurts. It's like not, not really did
• 17:56
  when he first started tripling, was that something that was
• 17:58
  painful or? Ripple jump, no, but man, high
• 18:02
  jump, man, that was my probably my word I had I almost broke my
• 18:06
  nose doing high jump. What?
• 18:08
  You're doing it wrong. How in the world did you break
• 18:09
  your almost break your nose? You I I didn't have the arch
• 18:13
  right, So I would just kind of sit over the bar and when I
• 18:17
  landed my knee hit my nose. Bloody nose in the build a track
• 18:22
  meets like I'm, I'm, I had I retired from high jump.
• 18:26
  That was freshman or sophomore year.
• 18:28
  So that was and it was at a home meet too.
• 18:31
  Could you imagine? Home meet bloody nose.
• 18:34
  You got to walk to the back just eyes watered up because you got
• 18:37
  hit in the nose. Little drip was coming down like
• 18:40
  it's like you got into a fight. I had a track meet in your in my
• 18:45
  and I was small too, so my my little baggy jersey 0.
• 18:49
  My God, that's holy. I didn't think when you said you
• 18:51
  didn't arch. I'm like, OK.
• 18:52
  But then I was like, oh, I was like, that knee got him.
• 18:55
  That's what. It did.
• 18:55
  I could jump high. Yeah, I I just hit myself in the
• 18:59
  nose, man. We're starting to find out how
• 19:02
  you whittled down to the long triple.
• 19:03
  Yeah, long triple. Man like I hated the 8 and 16 I
• 19:06
  almost got killed in the high job so let's just keep.
• 19:10
  Going Oh yeah, man. I love it.
• 19:11
  I love it. Well, tell me about because this
• 19:13
  is going to be something we talked about here and later you
• 19:16
  said you found a private coach. So you you obviously, you know
• 19:20
  you work in the long the long term general your parents are
• 19:23
  coaching at first teaching you how to do it.
• 19:24
  You get into high school and you're doing it.
• 19:26
  You started talking about going to TCU camps a private coach.
• 19:29
  So this became like like even earlier you're still doing
• 19:32
  soccer at this early point he's frosted off years, but this
• 19:34
  became like a thing like you're at least like you're invested
• 19:37
  into it. I.
• 19:38
  Would say sophomore year I was, I got a little bit more serious.
• 19:45
  I think I did have some good private coaches.
• 19:47
  So now they're all college coaches.
• 19:49
  So it's pretty cool. Like I had that TCU when I was
• 19:54
  doing all the private lesson stuff that was Jeff Peters Meyer
• 19:56
  that's at USC and he and then when I ended up transferring
• 20:01
  from North Carolina to Boise State, he was the coach of Boise
• 20:05
  State. So I got a chance to.
• 20:07
  Go back and work with the coach that was doing private lesson
• 20:09
  stuff with me before then whenever he left and went out of
• 20:14
  state, I got to work with Vincent Johnson, that's at
• 20:16
  Nebraska now when he was a high school coach here.
• 20:20
  So that I had really good coaches that A at a young age.
• 20:26
  And again, I think I was, I was in love with the technique and
• 20:29
  learning why we're doing this because I was, I was still kind
• 20:32
  of hard headed. And I think that both of those
• 20:35
  two coaches kind of appreciate me being hard headed and asking
• 20:38
  questions. So I got a chance to, to really
• 20:41
  learn that was, I don't know why, I don't know why we're
• 20:44
  doing bleachers and it's 110° outside, but we just did this
• 20:47
  yesterday. And then most of the time
• 20:51
  they'll say just because I said so, but sometimes, but they'll
• 20:53
  actually take time and explain stuff to me.
• 20:55
  So it was, it was cool to, you know, get a chance to learn at a
• 20:59
  young age, too. You know, one of the things we
• 21:01
  have at our age is we have perspective, right?
• 21:03
  We have 2020, you know, behind us, right?
• 21:06
  When you think about during high school when you were asking
• 21:09
  those because because I always wonder, it's interesting
• 21:11
  because, you know, we spoiler alert, we know you become a
• 21:13
  coach, right? And so it's always interesting
• 21:15
  to me about like, well, what kind of athlete were you?
• 21:18
  And what I mean by that is like, I don't really care how good or
• 21:21
  not good are guest star as far as an athleticism, because that
• 21:24
  doesn't matter. You know, that doesn't make them
• 21:25
  who they are as a coach. But when I ask, you know, what
• 21:28
  kind of athlete were you, I always wonder like, oh, did you
• 21:31
  ask questions? Like when you ask questions
• 21:34
  about workouts, were you trying to figure out, well, why did we
• 21:36
  do this after we did that yesterday?
• 21:38
  And why aren't we doing this? Because you're like trying to
• 21:40
  figure it out or, you know, and this could be all excuses, by
• 21:43
  the way, because, you know, we're dealing with 14 to 18 year
• 21:45
  old kids and 14 to 18 year old versions of ourselves.
• 21:47
  It's like, why are we doing bleachers at 110 to this sucks,
• 21:50
  you know, what do we do? But knowing you become a coach
• 21:53
  and you were asking, it seems like you were asking almost like
• 21:57
  almost in the middle there. Like there was a little bit of
• 21:58
  like, you know, 15 year old, like what the hell are we doing
• 22:00
  this for? But also like, yeah, I want to
• 22:02
  know like, because you're talking about the technique a
• 22:03
  lot. Were were you, like, when you
• 22:07
  look back now, do you think you were curious because you really
• 22:09
  wanted to know, like, so that I can become better?
• 22:12
  Or were you, you know, again, all grace here, you're a kid.
• 22:15
  You're like, can I just sit around and do nothing and be
• 22:17
  good? Like that's what that.
• 22:17
  Be, I mean, I think absolutely both, but I think it was more
• 22:21
  curiosity. So I got remembered practices
• 22:26
  with like Vincent that that was at Nebraska, right?
• 22:30
  He, we would do a cone at, at say 12 or 13 feet and we would
• 22:36
  do this drill until we could progress until the next thing.
• 22:39
  I never understood why he's like, but you, if you can't
• 22:41
  handle this, how can you go faster and do this?
• 22:45
  So I, I feel like I got a chance to really learn from the, the
• 22:49
  coaches, but I, I got a chance to piece my coaching philosophy
• 22:54
  with things that worked for myself.
• 22:57
  But again, these coaches are, they're successful.
• 23:00
  So in, in the jump here. So I got a chance to again at a
• 23:04
  young age, be around them. I remember practicing with that
• 23:09
  TCU with like Whitney Gibson when I was a 14 year, like 1415
• 23:13
  year old. So national champion, NCAA
• 23:15
  record holder, Jonathan, what was his last name?
• 23:20
  Pete's going to kill me now. Jonathan, he went to TCU.
• 23:23
  They jumped 5556 feet. I got the practice with him like
• 23:26
  all the time. So there was Cleveland, like it
• 23:28
  was people like that, that I was a kid getting to see them
• 23:32
  prepare and practice and see how the coaches prepared and
• 23:34
  practiced. So now I feel like for me, when
• 23:37
  I'm in these shoes, it's it it's it's refreshing, but I feel like
• 23:41
  I act like just like them now. Yeah, I love that.
• 23:45
  Because I told you so move on. What?
• 23:49
  How did you as a, as you're continuing to get better and you
• 23:52
  know, when these private coaches and camps and stuff and you're
• 23:54
  at high school, you're competing for the the high school, I
• 23:57
  assume. How did you at that point?
• 23:59
  I'm going to say bridge or handle the club versus high
• 24:02
  school. I'm going to say tension because
• 24:05
  that's generally how I see it when I'm having these
• 24:07
  conversations. It could have been no tension at
• 24:09
  all where you are. How did that go for you?
• 24:12
  I went to a private school, so it was a little a little
• 24:15
  different for me. I didn't have I didn't have a
• 24:20
  jump coach there. And when I was coaching in the
• 24:22
  private school field, we had really talented kids.
• 24:25
  So if I know a kid is that good that you guys do whatever,
• 24:30
  whatever got you to where you are, don't change anything.
• 24:33
  Come put the jersey on, you know, and like I said, I would
• 24:35
  work out with the team, but I would still go do my do my jump
• 24:40
  practice or actually my jump coach would come up there.
• 24:43
  So he practiced at Cedar Hill High School.
• 24:45
  I went to Charity Christian in Cedar Hill so he would just come
• 24:48
  10 minutes down the road after he finished his school practice
• 24:51
  and then practice with me right after practice.
• 24:54
  So, so you had kind of a almost a natural setup that allowed and
• 24:58
  maybe even encouraged for our talented athletes.
• 25:00
  Yeah. OK, that makes sense.
• 25:01
  That is not always the case, as you know, because you know that.
• 25:04
  So yeah, OK, as you you start transitioning sophomore junior
• 25:09
  year from the soccer player who's doing track now as we get
• 25:12
  to junior senior now it sounds like you're a track athlete who
• 25:17
  plays or did you even play your senior year soccer?
• 25:20
  I played school but it wasn't very school.
• 25:24
  School was easier like. Was that hard?
• 25:27
  I always wonder because, you know, your identity was, was
• 25:30
  wrapped into soccer for a long time and then you progressed to
• 25:34
  where your identity starts kind of switching like, oh, I'm a
• 25:36
  track athlete. Was that hard to to kind of put
• 25:39
  soccer to the back? I mean, what's crazy is I like
• 25:45
  to this day my kids play soccer. I watch I watch soccer more than
• 25:49
  I watch track is. That right?
• 25:50
  Yeah. Yeah, I watch.
• 25:51
  A lot of soccer games, probably every day, every league.
• 25:55
  So I think it's still for me, it's still relaxing to watch the
• 26:00
  soccer game. I don't know for everybody else,
• 26:01
  they rest my fall asleep watching it.
• 26:02
  But I I do enjoy a good soccer game.
• 26:06
  But it, it did take me a while to transition, but I think the
• 26:11
  things that helped me, well, I guess we're the the team part of
• 26:14
  it, especially when I got to college, you know, it was you
• 26:18
  get a chance to really help a team win a championship.
• 26:22
  So that I think a camaraderie with, I guess with everybody,
• 26:28
  one common goal it was, it was pretty cool.
• 26:31
  And I think that that's kind of what helped the transition to
• 26:33
  make it a little easier. So running relays, running on
• 26:35
  the four by four and all that stuff, it helps out a little
• 26:40
  bit. Yeah, for sure.
• 26:41
  I think, you know, we we lose that sometimes with track
• 26:43
  because we think of it as an individual sport.
• 26:46
  But at the I always say at the beginning to the end of the day,
• 26:48
  it's still a team sport. They're still whether at the
• 26:51
  high school going for state titles, conference titles,
• 26:53
  college going for conference national titles.
• 26:56
  You know, once you get to the pros, maybe it's a little
• 26:57
  different, although they're still, but guess what, the most
• 26:59
  popular. Teams.
• 27:00
  Yeah, the most popular track meet is still the Olympics,
• 27:02
  which is Team USA, by the way. So yeah.
• 27:04
  But me and and Vance, Texas track dad, we we get into it all
• 27:09
  the time. He's like, it's individual.
• 27:10
  I'm like, it's not. I was like, it's made-up of
• 27:12
  individuals stuff. It is.
• 27:14
  It's a team, man. It's a team.
• 27:15
  And I think even the, the training groups that are put
• 27:17
  together like that's, that's a team that's right.
• 27:20
  So it's a if, if everybody's on the same page, pushing towards
• 27:24
  the same goal, it creates negative energy in the, in the
• 27:28
  training space. So I, I don't, I, I think it's
• 27:30
  the teams. For all I know, it's individual.
• 27:33
  A lot of my kids aren't even on the team.
• 27:35
  They're they compete unattached and but we all train together.
• 27:38
  We're all trying to jump far, run fast, or.
• 27:40
  The the best example, like I think that I gave Vance and
• 27:44
  everybody else was, you know, this is a very common story
• 27:47
  using a quarter Miller, 4x4 1/4 Miller who runs 50 seconds and
• 27:51
  they open every single open. But when they get on the 4 by 14
• 27:54
  splits, 48 point or 49 point, it's like, why in the world do
• 27:58
  they run faster? And I know it splits and all
• 28:00
  that, but you know, why do they run faster?
• 28:01
  And it's like, oh, because they have someone they're beholding
• 28:03
  to, they have to either get that baton or get like they're
• 28:06
  they're now running for the school name the team, not not
• 28:09
  themselves. I was like, that's a very common
• 28:12
  thing. People run faster to relay.
• 28:13
  I was like, to me, that proves like, oh, it's a team.
• 28:15
  In fact, maybe that's what track should it be is all all relays,
• 28:18
  to be honest with you that maybe that changes how we actually get
• 28:20
  people to our meets and stuff. I don't know.
• 28:22
  And. Maybe a little disappointment
• 28:24
  too. I think as humans we might be OK
• 28:27
  letting ourselves down sometimes, but letting some,
• 28:30
  letting mom or dad or this person down that's, you know,
• 28:36
  it's a little harder to to deal with sometimes, I think.
• 28:38
  I agree. I think that's a, that's a great
• 28:40
  point. OK, senior year, you're now a
• 28:43
  track guy, you know, you're still, you know, trying to
• 28:46
  figure out why you're doing bleachers, 110° heat, but that's
• 28:48
  called Texas. That's every day.
• 28:51
  Talk to us about what you were thinking about going to college.
• 28:53
  And really what I like to know is I haven't necessarily heard
• 28:58
  that like, oh, I'm going to become a track coach.
• 28:59
  Like what were you thinking as like an 18 year old?
• 29:01
  I'm going to go major in law and become a lawyer.
• 29:04
  I'm going to go major in engineering.
• 29:05
  What were you thinking about becoming as an adult?
• 29:11
  I'm laughing because, well, when I started off with U.S.
• 29:15
  Marine biology. Nice.
• 29:17
  I knew it. That's just what I love, because
• 29:18
  most people as 18 year olds don't know they're going to
• 29:21
  become a track coaches. So they got these all these
• 29:23
  other dreams, Marine. But first of all, you're in
• 29:26
  Texas. Well, you know, I exclude
• 29:28
  Houston, Galveston, all that stuff.
• 29:30
  Why? Why that?
• 29:32
  As an 18, why were you thinking marine biology?
• 29:34
  Because I, I don't know, I just thought it would be interesting,
• 29:38
  probably make a lot of money going into my senior year or
• 29:43
  because after I graduated, before I went to my freshman
• 29:45
  year, I took a deep sea fishing trip.
• 29:49
  I was the most seasick person on the boat.
• 29:52
  So I probably said this is probably isn't the what I need
• 29:55
  to to be studying so. That's got to be a prereq.
• 29:59
  You got to be on a boat, right? I mean it.
• 30:01
  Has to be. So I end up signing up for the
• 30:04
  class deal at North Carolina when I got there and no, I end
• 30:09
  up switching started kinesiology.
• 30:10
  Kinesiology. OK, so why?
• 30:13
  Why'd you choose North Carolina at high school?
• 30:15
  That seems far. That's far away, man.
• 30:18
  'Cause I met, took a few visits out of high school.
• 30:21
  I went to Boston University first with Coles Johnson.
• 30:25
  That's at Cal Berkeley now. She was there.
• 30:28
  So that. Robin.
• 30:29
  Yeah. Robin.
• 30:29
  Yeah. So that was my first college
• 30:31
  visit. Then I went to Texas A&M with
• 30:36
  Coach Van out again, that's in Houston now.
• 30:40
  Then I went to North Carolina. I just like the as Austin Davis
• 30:46
  that's at OU now that's he was one of my teammates there so.
• 30:50
  Oh, that's right, yeah. So for me, I wanted to, again, I
• 30:53
  think learning, right, I didn't want to go to a program where I
• 30:58
  was necessarily the best person. And I, I think a few of the
• 31:02
  visits that I took, I might have been the best person.
• 31:04
  A&M, they had some really, really good people.
• 31:06
  And I probably got afraid of that.
• 31:09
  Like North Carolina. 'S not kind of a middle, yeah,
• 31:12
  yeah, as I say, because I was like, I don't think he would
• 31:14
  have been a Texas A&M because Jimmy V had them rolling, baby.
• 31:16
  Yeah, and I, I took a visit there and that's when they were
• 31:19
  all graduating. And I end up choosing North
• 31:23
  Carolina, but just because of, you know, Austin and another
• 31:27
  team teammate, Ed, he was another 25 foot long jumper.
• 31:31
  So I had a chance to learn from a 54 foot triple jumper and a,
• 31:35
  you know, another, another good long jumper.
• 31:39
  So I think it was, it was good for me to, you know, get away
• 31:42
  from Texas. It's it's, you know, some kids I
• 31:45
  think are a little different for me.
• 31:46
  I wanted to get out and, you know, see the world a little
• 31:50
  bit. It was it was cool seeing
• 31:51
  mountains and different stuff coming from Texas and city life.
• 31:56
  Yeah, it's a beautiful campus, beautiful area.
• 31:58
  I mean, you could you could have picked a lot worse places as far
• 32:01
  as looks and the program and the ACC and teammates.
• 32:05
  I love that you told me this before, but Austin being your
• 32:09
  your teammate there, I forgot about that.
• 32:10
  That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
• 32:12
  So you go there and they're thinking marine biology, like,
• 32:15
  Yep, that's that's not going to work out.
• 32:16
  So kinesiology, which that makes a ton of sense.
• 32:20
  Right. Yeah.
• 32:22
  So, yeah, so I started there my sophomore year.
• 32:26
  I end up transferring back then we didn't have the transfer
• 32:30
  portal. So I had to go to the JUCO 4th
• 32:32
  semester, get my associates and then is that.
• 32:34
  Right. Yeah, Actually moved down to
• 32:37
  A&M. So I was going to go, I was
• 32:39
  going to go there. I went to a little JUCO where
• 32:43
  Cam Newton went blend college. 4th semester.
• 32:46
  Yeah, so I went there 4th semester, living in College
• 32:48
  Station, training, competing unattached in that semester, and
• 32:52
  then Petersmeyer end up calling me and I, you know, ended up
• 32:56
  going to Boise. So two things that always one
• 33:00
  that cracks me up and another I'm going to question you on it
• 33:02
  always cracks me up. And you're not necessarily this
• 33:05
  type of person, but in, in general, you know, we are, we
• 33:08
  are railing on the, the transfer portal, right?
• 33:10
  And you know, and we act like it's brand new.
• 33:13
  And so I love when I get people on here and they're like, and
• 33:15
  then I transfer, I'm like, Oh my God, you transferred before
• 33:17
  there was a transfer. Like it happened before people.
• 33:19
  This is not you. Maybe it's easier, I don't know
• 33:22
  and I don't care. It's a lot easier.
• 33:23
  But people have been transferring from long before
• 33:27
  the transfer portal. I just thought that was funny
• 33:29
  when you said that too. You said because you said Cam
• 33:33
  Newton, you said Glenn College, like maybe you don't know the
• 33:36
  history of Blenn College. They have a, they have a crazy
• 33:39
  track. Program OK all right because you
• 33:42
  initiated with Cam Newton not going you know former world
• 33:45
  class beaters Blenn junior college yeah OK all right just
• 33:48
  wanted to make. Sure, they had a track program
• 33:50
  back in the day. Oh yeah, but way before, I mean
• 33:52
  before me. So definitely before you.
• 33:54
  But yeah, they were my understanding understanding
• 33:56
  because I I coached JUCO during the Barton County was the I
• 34:01
  mean, they would win nationals by 100 points.
• 34:04
  Lance problem was the coach there is amazing.
• 34:06
  And I was always told that as good as Barton was during my
• 34:10
  time, blend would have beat the brakes out of them.
• 34:13
  Like that's how good blend was. And that's no shade on Barton
• 34:16
  because they were amazing. But they blend just like I think
• 34:19
  at one point I heard you always wonder like how much is lore and
• 34:22
  actually truth. At one point they had three.
• 34:26
  These are JUCO. So these are all frosted off
• 34:27
  kids, 3 discus throwers all over 200 feet and I was like these.
• 34:32
  What do you mean three of them Like 1 would be an amazing.
• 34:36
  Yeah, I think for, I mean, Blinn, it was, it's two hours
• 34:39
  from Dallas and Houston. I mean, South Plains is one of
• 34:42
  the bigger programs in Texas for as far as Juco's go, but they're
• 34:47
  5-6 hours from every major city coming this way.
• 34:52
  I think back then that would have been a hot spot.
• 34:54
  Yeah, yeah. That and Odessa was was big and
• 34:58
  kind of coming back too. And that's, you know, Blinn.
• 35:01
  I believe that's where Pat Henry coach.
• 35:02
  I believe that's where Dennis Shaver coached.
• 35:04
  I mean, there was a lot of a lot of coaches that we, you know,
• 35:07
  rightfully Revere today and they were in little old Blinn Junior
• 35:11
  College. So you go to Blinn thinking
• 35:13
  that, all right, I'm gonna go to A&M, I'll come back and go to
• 35:15
  A&M. And then Petersmeyer, who I
• 35:17
  mean, I just love this this web of track and field dude.
• 35:21
  Like, you know, this this private coach that you're a
• 35:24
  coach working with TCU and then he goes to Boise Estate and it's
• 35:27
  like, well, why don't you come to Boise Estate now?
• 35:29
  What did you think? Now, maybe he didn't have that
• 35:31
  much of a problem because you did go from Texas all the way to
• 35:34
  Chapel Hill, for crying out loud.
• 35:35
  But Boise's a whole nother. I mean, that's a whole nother
• 35:38
  zip code, man. What do you think about going up
• 35:39
  there? It was for me, it happened
• 35:44
  quick. I, I think it was around, I
• 35:47
  guess August when I was finishing up my associate's
• 35:49
  degree and had to get out. So yeah, they, it was, it was,
• 35:55
  it was pretty quick, but it was, I love Boise, man.
• 35:57
  It was, it's beautiful city. And again, for me, I've never
• 36:01
  seen mountains. So whenever you get to Boise and
• 36:06
  you get to see all the mountains and my apartment was on a, on
• 36:10
  the, on the Greenbelt. So you get to see this river
• 36:13
  every day, walk, ride your bike a mile down the down the river
• 36:18
  every day with these nice trees and mountains and scenery to go
• 36:21
  to your class. That yes, it was it was nice to
• 36:25
  me. I mean, it was an easy
• 36:26
  transition. Had a bunch of teammates that I
• 36:29
  still talk to to this day and and I had a really, really good
• 36:33
  time there. I did.
• 36:34
  What year did you go there? It was ten, 2010 to 12.
• 36:40
  So what, they hosted nationals one year?
• 36:43
  Was that before you or during? No.
• 36:44
  It was during it was my first year there.
• 36:47
  OK, yeah, because I've, I've gone out there before.
• 36:49
  I've gone out there a couple times, but I remember a national
• 36:52
  out there. That's right.
• 36:54
  That place was out there. Oh, you had?
• 36:56
  To. Drive.
• 36:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was out there
• 37:02
  still studying kinesiology. Man, no.
• 37:07
  OK. Yeah.
• 37:08
  So as you know, you have to stay on track with your degree so.
• 37:12
  Funny to be like. No, yeah.
• 37:15
  So you have to stay on track with your degree, right?
• 37:17
  So North Carolina starts kinesiology classes junior year,
• 37:21
  Boise starts in freshman year. So I was doing basics and
• 37:25
  getting all that stuff knocked out.
• 37:27
  So a lot of the stuff that they were taking, I was so far
• 37:30
  behind. So I end up going to social
• 37:32
  science. So sociology and history focus
• 37:37
  was cool, using a little bit of sociology to see how people work
• 37:41
  and how everything goes. I see a lot of the stuff that we
• 37:46
  went over in class and some of the kids and the parents and
• 37:49
  just this little stuff. Right.
• 37:53
  Yeah. You know, it's interesting.
• 37:54
  I understand. This just kind of made me think
• 37:56
  about, you know, you, you probably would have been and
• 38:01
  knowing that you go on to become very successful.
• 38:03
  So this is a little tough to say this, but like you would have
• 38:05
  probably better served to be a kinesiology major.
• 38:08
  But because of the rules of progress towards degree and and
• 38:13
  interestingly, how 2 schools do it completely different that
• 38:17
  that tripped you up. And so you had to go to this
• 38:20
  social science type of like it just, it just to me, that kind
• 38:26
  of just shows a little bit how the educational system is
• 38:28
  broken. And maybe specifically as it
• 38:30
  relates to athletics, Like, like, first of all, I can't
• 38:33
  believe, you know, in our society, we we kind of force 18
• 38:36
  year olds to pick a major that is going to affect the rest of
• 38:39
  their life. Like, you know, you're 18, what
• 38:41
  do you know? You think you want to be a
• 38:42
  marine biologist and you can't even stand being on boats, for
• 38:44
  crying out loud. Like you, you should have some
• 38:46
  experience in this world maybe before you pick something that's
• 38:48
  going to affect the rest of your life.
• 38:50
  And then you get into maybe something you, you probably were
• 38:53
  more destined to be kinesiology. And then because these two
• 38:55
  schools, there's no standardization of schools, you
• 38:58
  have to like again, I know, I understand the, the, the idea
• 39:02
  of, you know, progress towards a degree.
• 39:04
  I get that. But then I'm like, well, this
• 39:05
  kind of kind of actually worked against the kid trying to be
• 39:10
  academically, you know, inclined.
• 39:11
  So that's interesting. I mean, I did have to especially
• 39:15
  now do a lot of research on different energy systems and all
• 39:19
  this all the other XS and OS look, fun stuff.
• 39:24
  I know you know, Maurice Hutton that you talked to on the
• 39:27
  podcast, Man, he, this guy bugs me all the time about different
• 39:31
  workouts and how I set this up wrong because of my energy
• 39:34
  systems that I used on this day. So so like this is going through
• 39:39
  and and again, I'm not I'm not a coach that says I you know, I
• 39:43
  know everything. I I call and ask a a lot of
• 39:46
  people different questions. What is what he would you do on
• 39:48
  this? What is again, why?
• 39:51
  So just trying to figure out stuff as I as I go.
• 39:55
  I'm still pretty young in this coaching game, I think.
• 40:00
  So as you are finishing out your last couple years there at
• 40:02
  Boise, getting the social science, social work kind of
• 40:07
  degree it is, is coaching in your mind at all as you're
• 40:11
  working towards your degree? A little bit my brother was
• 40:18
  actually graduating my my younger brother, he was a
• 40:20
  freshman in high school, so I would dabble into writing a
• 40:26
  little workouts. I wasn't always the most healthy
• 40:29
  athlete, so partially tore a knee one year back was a little
• 40:34
  beat up. So I got the spend some time
• 40:37
  with Pete again, coach and learn wise and how he wrote his
• 40:41
  workouts and and go through some of that and kind of, I want to
• 40:46
  say writing my own. But especially like when when I
• 40:49
  was transferring and doing the JUCO thing by myself, I had to
• 40:52
  write my workouts. Glenn didn't have a track team,
• 40:55
  so I was taking classes there, but I was competing unattached
• 40:58
  and writing my own workouts and doing all that stuff.
• 41:01
  So I think that was my first, I guess taste of doing all that
• 41:06
  stuff and it was. That's interesting because
• 41:09
  you're definitely at that point in age in a stage where you had
• 41:11
  no right to be right in your own workouts, meaning like you're
• 41:16
  ready to be a coach, but you did what you had to do.
• 41:18
  I get that. Do you like what was that
• 41:21
  experience like? Was there frustration of like
• 41:23
  having to write your own workouts or was there and
• 41:26
  looking back knowing because you know what like real level
• 41:28
  workout is? Because I always wonder
• 41:30
  sometimes like, how can you bring the intensity that you
• 41:33
  need to bring to some workouts without a coach there?
• 41:35
  So you thought you were working hard, but I was like, oh,
• 41:37
  really? Let's kind of take it easy
• 41:38
  because I take it easy on myself.
• 41:39
  I love myself more than anybody. When you look back, what was
• 41:42
  that experience? You know, I'm going to say I'm
• 41:43
  going to do air quotes coaching yourself.
• 41:45
  I think the intensity, like you said, you can't replicate.
• 41:51
  Again. For me, I wasn't fast.
• 41:53
  I must say I wasn't fast, but I was a 10/10/90.
• 41:56
  I ran 1099. Me and my coach jumped up and
• 41:58
  down like I was Usain Bolt. We ran around, I'm a 10 second
• 42:02
  100m. Guy yeah, that's that's how I
• 42:04
  was like we and we. So when we did that, you know,
• 42:11
  it's ah, man, I don't know. Yeah, how do you Not that Coach
• 42:18
  needs to be there to yell at you and all that, but but Coach
• 42:20
  knows the right words to say, knows the right.
• 42:23
  I think it's the intensity. I always had somebody to record
• 42:26
  and look at videos. You know, I wasn't I, I, you
• 42:33
  know, big friends that are jumpers.
• 42:35
  So, you know, I, I got a chance to talk to Marquis Goodwin and
• 42:38
  Democratic, some of these guys. So we had shared videos and
• 42:42
  stuff they say with you know what they thought about stuff,
• 42:44
  but it wasn't, I think it was the intensity in the training
• 42:47
  group for me, for me that was lacking.
• 42:50
  It is hard to lift heavyweight by yourself.
• 42:54
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
• 42:55
  It's hard to do 8 one 50s if we had that or something correct.
• 43:00
  Like, it's hard to push yourself to that limit when you're
• 43:02
  already not the top guy. Yeah, you know, if you were.
• 43:07
  Yeah, I work I work out like 8150 actually.
• 43:09
  That's a great example because maybe you could handle, you
• 43:11
  know, four or five reps at whatever, you know, time you
• 43:14
  need to hit, but it's hard to push yourself on Rep 6-7 and
• 43:17
  eight. Absolutely.
• 43:18
  And that's kind of your money, right?
• 43:19
  You got to hit all 8. If that's the you know, yeah,
• 43:21
  that makes that makes a lot of sense.
• 43:24
  OK, finishing out Boise, you you had done some coach.
• 43:28
  Well, you know, we'll loosely call the coaching at blend
• 43:30
  yourself, but you know, you did some things with your brother
• 43:32
  and stuff like that. You get your degree, what do we
• 43:35
  do? We got to get a job or.
• 43:37
  Yeah, I saw. I actually moved back to Dallas,
• 43:40
  graduate in December and moved back to Dallas and you know, you
• 43:43
  went to my to the facility. So you got the chance to see my
• 43:46
  mom's and my family's truck driving school or the school
• 43:50
  that is about. So as you know, truck driving,
• 43:53
  welding, different trades, cosmetology, Barber classes.
• 43:58
  I actually started working there doing all their a lot of
• 44:02
  recruiting stuff, going to job fairs, little high school career
• 44:06
  days. We do a lot of work with people
• 44:09
  that are recently like released from prisons and stuff.
• 44:12
  So I go to speak at parole meetings and do some recruiting
• 44:16
  for the school. I did that.
• 44:19
  I mean I still work with doing some of the recruiting and so
• 44:22
  Facebook ads and all that stuff. But it was I started with that
• 44:28
  and then culture. Orlando McDaniel, he was an old
• 44:33
  club coach out here that passed away during COVID.
• 44:36
  He had a club to North Texas, Cheetahs.
• 44:40
  So he happened. His daughter went to the same
• 44:43
  school as my brother. And they were walking through
• 44:47
  the hallway. He's like, hey, man, you know
• 44:48
  your brother graduate already. Tell him to call me.
• 44:51
  I got this girl. I think it's going to be pretty
• 44:53
  good. And it would.
• 44:54
  The girl was Jasmine Moore. Shut up.
• 44:58
  So I. Was.
• 45:00
  Yeah, so that was around March. I was already working for two
• 45:02
  months back home. I wasn't coaching and I got AI
• 45:08
  guess the first kids that I got was my brother and then just
• 45:12
  working with. I wasn't even coaching at the
• 45:13
  school. Yeah, I was just coaching my
• 45:14
  brother when I graduated. And then Jasmine and a couple of
• 45:19
  other kids that kind of came out and they're all graduated
• 45:22
  college now and old. Bro I mean that that I'm I'm the
• 45:30
  floored cause to have that caliber in an athlete from the
• 45:34
  jump. Literally the jump.
• 45:37
  That was my forsake. Like my I'm calling my brother
• 45:40
  my. 1st that's. My first or second kid, you
• 45:42
  know? I mean, there there are coaches
• 45:45
  who go decades and don't have a a talent like Jasmine Moore.
• 45:49
  So what do you do? You, you, He says.
• 45:52
  Hey, I got this girl's gonna be pretty good.
• 45:55
  So. So you should work with her.
• 45:56
  You know, you and your brother, do you have any idea what to do?
• 46:00
  Like, like how good was she? Did you realize how good she
• 46:04
  was? And then how did you start
• 46:06
  trying to develop her? And you know nothing at this
• 46:08
  point, honestly, I say nothing. You've had some good examples.
• 46:11
  That's not fair. But you haven't coached like a
• 46:13
  full year macro cycle of someone.
• 46:15
  Right. I haven't.
• 46:16
  So I don't have the, I guess the coaching experience.
• 46:18
  So for me that was fun. It was more of a let's do what
• 46:22
  we did in college and kind of plugging in workouts, but not
• 46:25
  knowing why and when and where, right.
• 46:29
  But for her it was, I mean, I think very, very early, like her
• 46:34
  first track meet, she jumped from a 36 foot warden triple as
• 46:38
  a 8th grader her within a week of learning how to triple.
• 46:42
  So her first meet she went like 37 feet.
• 46:45
  And I don't know if you met her dad, but he Earl's a very he's
• 46:50
  an involved dad. So he'll he's a hey man, I'm
• 46:55
  seeing this video. Jasmine jumped 38 six.
• 46:58
  Is that good? And I'm like, dude, that's the
• 47:00
  national record for a 14 year old.
• 47:02
  Is that good? What do you mean?
• 47:03
  And mind you, she's landing sideways with two feet, like all
• 47:07
  the way twisted. So it was, I'm like, man, she
• 47:11
  just learned how to triple jump seven days ago.
• 47:13
  And you're telling me she jumped the national record asking me if
• 47:15
  it's good? I'm like, did they measure
• 47:16
  wrong? I'm I'm not believing it.
• 47:20
  And then by the end of that summer 8th grade year, she went
• 47:23
  like 19-7 and 40 feet 5. Six way.
• 47:28
  Yeah, so it was. We you know, we've had several
• 47:33
  coaches who have had you know, I don't want to overstate
• 47:37
  sometimes when I say generational athlete.
• 47:39
  That's probably not fair for Jasmine.
• 47:40
  She's amazing wave. You know, generational is just a
• 47:44
  whole another like, you know, maybe Mondo right now is a
• 47:46
  generational athlete, right, But you definitely have an athlete
• 47:51
  who, you know, obviously stupid good, you know, medalist, all
• 47:55
  this kind of stuff, right, record holders at that age.
• 47:59
  Is it more about like when you think again, we have hindsight,
• 48:02
  you can look back to it now and you've you've worked with a lot
• 48:05
  of other great athletes. So you now have a a cadre of
• 48:07
  people to compare and contrast. When you look back at her as
• 48:10
  like an eighth grader, is it is it more of just like she had the
• 48:16
  God-given talent earlier than some?
• 48:19
  And so she's just more athletic and that's why she's able to do
• 48:21
  something because obviously she had to, you know, things that
• 48:23
  have changed from being a 38 foot triple jumper to being a 46
• 48:26
  foot triple jump. Like like she had to get, she
• 48:28
  had to work towards that. But did she have more immediate
• 48:31
  talent, younger or or what? Both.
• 48:36
  I mean for her the mom was a 21 plus long jumper.
• 48:40
  A short. State Dad was a hurdler at
• 48:43
  Western Michigan and he's, you know, 6566 so.
• 48:47
  OK. OK.
• 48:48
  So, so you can't be, you can't be genetics.
• 48:50
  Can't can't be genetics one, but man, she she really was.
• 48:57
  So he's like as her background was a competitive gym,
• 49:00
  competitive cheerleader. So in gymnastics.
• 49:03
  So I think a lot of my best kids are gymnasts and they come from
• 49:07
  that background where they're used to being getting critique
• 49:10
  right. So for her, she's a
• 49:13
  perfectionist like she's I think so yes, she was talented early.
• 49:19
  But if you talk to Nick at Florida right now, he'll say the
• 49:23
  same thing. Like she's driving me through
• 49:24
  the wall. Like she is a, if something's
• 49:27
  not perfect for her, even at a very young age, she was like
• 49:31
  that. So I think that's the that's the
• 49:34
  difference between her, you know, being a 4445 foot girl or
• 49:40
  the American record holder. And I got to go back to it.
• 49:43
  She is a phenom, though. I believe in my eyes, Jasmine is
• 49:47
  a phenom just because she's had the 1314 record, freshman,
• 49:50
  sophomore, junior high school national record, she's #2U20 all
• 49:56
  time American record holder. She's it's hard for kids that
• 50:01
  are that talented early like Mondo and Jasmine and I was even
• 50:05
  she carries like it's hard for them to progress and, and keep
• 50:10
  progressing. So I think for them, they are
• 50:12
  phenoms. There's, there's only, there's
• 50:14
  very, very, very few of those kids that have been good for
• 50:18
  like sitting in the glove like they've been good for this many
• 50:21
  years. It doesn't happen like that.
• 50:22
  Yeah, look, I'm not taking anything away from her.
• 50:24
  Do not stick her dad on me. I am not.
• 50:26
  Saying. Anything bad about Jasmine
• 50:28
  Moore? Trust me, OK?
• 50:30
  Trust me. No.
• 50:30
  No, I just want to like she is. Yeah, I think she's that way
• 50:34
  because she is a perfectionist. Yeah, I do.
• 50:37
  First of all, to to harp on that point.
• 50:40
  I think it's interesting you said, you know, genetically, but
• 50:42
  what I'm hearing also is that she's very coachable.
• 50:44
  So when she's like, like and driven, like maybe that's the
• 50:47
  third, maybe that's the triangle.
• 50:48
  You got to be coachable, driven and you got to have the genetic
• 50:51
  talent to it to where she was like, OK, I'm pretty good, but
• 50:54
  OK, how do I get better? What do I get to get better?
• 50:57
  How do I get better? Yeah, that's, that's that's
• 50:58
  probably something that's missing in some athletes.
• 51:01
  One of those 3 is missing to make the the lead to become
• 51:04
  actually, you know, nationally good.
• 51:06
  Yeah, I think, I mean, she made me a better coach.
• 51:09
  I was AI was, you know, I'll say a kid, but I was a young, I was
• 51:13
  a young 242526 year old. And I just remember like one
• 51:18
  time we were at nationals for in New York, she said I want to
• 51:22
  jump. It's her junior year said I want
• 51:23
  to jump 44 feet. I want to jump 44 feet.
• 51:26
  I want to jump 44 feet. And for me, that's crazy, right?
• 51:28
  So yeah. There's a lot of junior boys
• 51:31
  that want to jump 44 feet. She jumped 4311 3/4.
• 51:38
  Guess who's outside crying in the snow?
• 51:41
  No. Wow.
• 51:43
  Crying we had like we're having to bring her inside.
• 51:46
  She doesn't want to get her medal, doesn't want to do
• 51:47
  interviews. And and that day she was it was
• 51:52
  just a, you know, for me, I was, I'm always, you know, glass half
• 51:57
  full, not have you know, we're almost there.
• 52:00
  We're almost there. 44 you're yeah, you hit the board perfect.
• 52:02
  We jump 44. Yeah.
• 52:04
  She told me my goal was to jump 44.
• 52:07
  As a coach, your job is to get me there.
• 52:10
  Wow. And she's a kid that told me.
• 52:12
  That, yeah, yeah, right. So for me now it's when I talk
• 52:17
  to kids and go through all this process, I'm like, what do you
• 52:21
  want out of this? Because I can, I can, I can get
• 52:24
  a kid to jumping 4344, whatever, 2520, whatever it may be.
• 52:30
  Are you willing to put the work in, or are we going to do it
• 52:32
  together? Right, right.
• 52:34
  Yeah. Wow, man.
• 52:36
  You know, that to me is probably a part of the definition of
• 52:40
  generational or phenom. Is that self drive even at such
• 52:44
  a young age? Like there's a little bit of
• 52:46
  audacity of her at that age to say to you, and I know you're
• 52:50
  young and as a coach too, and that probably maybe that played
• 52:52
  into it. But for her to say, Hey, my job
• 52:54
  was a jump 44. Your job is to get me there.
• 52:56
  Like that's a there's a little bit of audacity.
• 52:59
  And maybe it would be audacity if she didn't also put the work
• 53:02
  in. But if it's like, oh she is
• 53:03
  putting in the work, I guess I better.
• 53:04
  But it's a, it's a trust though, like I think.
• 53:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:08
  I, I'm big on like we'll go to war with each other.
• 53:11
  Like if I'm sitting out here in the rain for this workout, you
• 53:14
  are too. If I'm sitting out in 110°, you
• 53:17
  know, we're going through all these things together.
• 53:19
  So I think she was she was very, very serious about that.
• 53:25
  And it was cool seeing the the growth the next that was kind of
• 53:28
  her turning point of all right, we're going to go to the
• 53:31
  Olympics in college twice. Like that was the the goal.
• 53:36
  Now, having such a good athlete early in your career, there's a
• 53:39
  lot of different avenues you could have taken.
• 53:42
  Like 11 could have been like, hey man, I'm a pretty good
• 53:44
  coach. Look what look what's happening
• 53:46
  out there. Another Ave. is some insecurity
• 53:50
  of like, oh, am I good enough to coach this person?
• 53:53
  How did you evolve as a coach? Because something you stated is
• 53:57
  is you know, this is episode. I don't even know 338 or 339.
• 54:02
  So then 300 plus of these right, and maybe no one has talked to
• 54:05
  more coaches in depth than this guy right here, right.
• 54:08
  So there's a lot of uniqueness in people's hats to where they
• 54:13
  are today. But one of the commonalities is
• 54:17
  when we first get into coaching, whether regardless of how good
• 54:21
  of an athlete or not we were, regardless how good of a coach
• 54:24
  or program we had or did not have, when we first get into
• 54:27
  coaching, we typically coach how we were coached.
• 54:31
  That's all we know, all we know, that's all we know.
• 54:34
  And you mentioned that you're like, man, you know, I knew how
• 54:35
  Jeff did it and that's how I coached.
• 54:40
  But as we coach, we generally evolve and that's no dis to how
• 54:45
  we were because first of all, we're only remembering what we
• 54:47
  remember what what that coach actually coaches.
• 54:49
  But there's probably a million other things that we just forgot
• 54:51
  because we were kids, for crying out loud, right?
• 54:53
  But we we evolved through a coaching education, formal
• 54:56
  education or informal peer-to-peer, things like that.
• 55:00
  As you're going through this journey with her, what are you
• 55:03
  doing coaching education wise? Are you talking to more coaches
• 55:07
  in a little bit different language than you would as an
• 55:09
  athlete? Like what do you mean by that?
• 55:10
  Like you're asking a little deeper questions.
• 55:12
  Are you doing any kind of formal coaching?
• 55:13
  What are what are you doing to to evolve with her?
• 55:16
  I think for me, I got especially just because I have so many kids
• 55:21
  year after year, I get a chance to talk to a lot of college
• 55:24
  coaches the same way you do. I think I have hundreds of jump
• 55:28
  coaches in my phone. So for me, there's certain
• 55:32
  coaches that I just nerd out with all the time.
• 55:34
  You know, I, I think I've, I've done a few coaches educations.
• 55:40
  I've done all the Texas ones. Of course, Louisiana, I went to
• 55:43
  the USTTFC A1. I'm going to go to the one in
• 55:47
  Dallas this year. That's right.
• 55:49
  Yeah, but especially during COVID, I think that was kind of,
• 55:53
  you know, first year facility. That's when we got to do, you
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  know, the little Zoom calls every.
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  So I got a chance to really learn and sit down and talk to a
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  bunch of coaches and you know, we're going through testing and
• 56:07
  stuff now. So it's, it's cool to see what I
• 56:10
  test on versus what other coaches test on and right versus
• 56:14
  some of the old school coaches. We don't do any of that stuff.
• 56:16
  We're not. What a so how did the facility
• 56:22
  come about? Like how did it, how did jump
• 56:24
  smart? What?
• 56:24
  What came first Facility or Jump Smart and how did that all come?
• 56:27
  About I guess Jump Smart was the nonprofit that started first
• 56:32
  facility wise. I started I guess a few months
• 56:36
  before COVID unfortunately. Good timing.
• 56:39
  Great timing to open a gym. So I got set up four months
• 56:44
  before COVID. In Texas, it was a good time.
• 56:47
  I don't know. Yeah, so I guess facility came
• 56:51
  first, but I got a chance. I think for me, I was kind of
• 56:55
  torn between wanting to jump into the college game or or
• 57:02
  staying and doing the private coaching and kind of taking this
• 57:06
  a little bit more serious. I didn't have kids or anything
• 57:09
  yet, so it was cool to kind of, I don't know, for me, I guess I
• 57:15
  wanted to, I want to help as many people as I can without my
• 57:19
  job being on the line for a kid necessarily jumping far or not.
• 57:23
  You know what, I appreciate a college job maybe sometime, but
• 57:29
  for me, I feel like I give more impact getting hundreds of kids
• 57:33
  to college and getting a chance to for always camps and track
• 57:36
  meets that we do and all the college coaches that come out.
• 57:39
  I think that's that came first. And I just remember talking to a
• 57:44
  few college coaches about it. And I remember I was about to
• 57:48
  have my first son and I was talking to coach Kareem at UTSA
• 57:53
  and he said, man, you want to go to the soccer game?
• 57:56
  Do you want to see the dance recital?
• 57:59
  Do you want to see the football game?
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  Do you want to, do you want to make sure you don't miss a
• 58:05
  birthday? And for me, that was the, that
• 58:10
  was the deciding factor. And I, I just, I didn't want to
• 58:14
  miss that early so. I, I was in a big time trying to
• 58:22
  watch this as much as possible. I was in, I was in a coach's
• 58:25
  office that many all coaches would aspire to be have the type
• 58:32
  of career this person has has had now now retired.
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  This is before they had retired and I was in their office and
• 58:41
  was like, so when like, you know, you're getting close, how
• 58:44
  much longer you think you're going, you know, and they were
• 58:46
  like, you know, I need to retire sooner than later.
• 58:51
  And I was like, Oh, what, you know what?
• 58:53
  That was just kind of an odd way maybe of saying it.
• 58:55
  And they said, you know, I owe my spouse.
• 58:57
  I've never got to see my children.
• 58:59
  My my children ran track. I never got to see a, a track
• 59:02
  meet. You know, we, we got married
• 59:05
  during track season. So never got to really do a a
• 59:09
  anniversaries and stuff like, and they were like, I need to
• 59:12
  retire so that before I get too old, before I, you know, if I'm
• 59:15
  infirmed that I can take my spouse and make up for my career
• 59:20
  and I and you can just see the regret in their eye.
• 59:24
  And I, it's it bummed me out. It made me so sad because it was
• 59:27
  like, oh man, the sacrifices the family had to make for this
• 59:31
  person's career. And and you know, that is not a
• 59:34
  story unique to track and field high.
• 59:36
  I don't even say high level CE OS, but you know, CE OS teacher.
• 59:39
  I mean, there are other professions.
• 59:41
  Let's let's be real here. Doesn't make it right, by the
• 59:43
  way. And it's funny when I would, you
• 59:46
  know, for a long time I taught USATF level 1 courses, probably
• 59:50
  taught about 30 in my career. And the number one question I
• 59:54
  would get is a high school, because I started coaching high
• 59:57
  school before I coached to college.
• 59:58
  I would get a high school coach going, hey, so how do I, how do
• 1:00:01
  I coach college? Like what you know, what steps
• 1:00:03
  do I need to take? And I was like, maybe you don't.
• 1:00:05
  Like, you know, both professions are great.
• 1:00:07
  By the way, you might have a bigger impact than more people
• 1:00:10
  on the high school side. Oh, and by the way, you might
• 1:00:12
  make more money, by the way. Oh, and you're probably more
• 1:00:15
  stable. You like moving around all over
• 1:00:18
  the place because unfortunately, when you know something
• 1:00:21
  happened, it could be not even your fault.
• 1:00:22
  And you don't get your contract renewed.
• 1:00:24
  The head coach doesn't get renewed.
• 1:00:25
  You don't get renewed. And there is, depending on where
• 1:00:28
  you are, there is no other university.
• 1:00:29
  You got to go somewhere else for that opportunity.
• 1:00:32
  You know, it's like it's not necessarily all it's cooked up
• 1:00:35
  to be. And guys like Cream and others,
• 1:00:38
  especially a guy like that, he makes a lot of effort with his
• 1:00:41
  spouse and family, for crying out loud.
• 1:00:43
  You know, a lot of it could just do, but it's not the glory that
• 1:00:49
  we assume just because it's just because we watch it on Saturday
• 1:00:52
  and college football Saturday. We see the pomp and
• 1:00:54
  circumstance. It's not necessarily that as a
• 1:00:57
  career actually being in and on it so.
• 1:01:00
  And I love this so far. Now just we had my two sons had
• 1:01:05
  football games Saturday and I got to go to a soccer game
• 1:01:07
  Sunday. It's it's cool that I get to see
• 1:01:12
  them warm up or do like the pregame handshakes or something.
• 1:01:16
  I don't have to get missed that little stuff, you know?
• 1:01:18
  Yeah. And so, you know, how many track
• 1:01:20
  coaches hosted recruits this weekend and so did not get to go
• 1:01:24
  to their kids soccer games and stuff?
• 1:01:26
  Do you know how many track coaches were on the road doing
• 1:01:29
  home visits this weekend? Didn't get to, I mean, how many
• 1:01:33
  distance coaches were at cross country?
• 1:01:35
  I mean, it's yeah. And not 100%.
• 1:01:37
  I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, whoa, it is
• 1:01:40
  not. I guess the veneer I always
• 1:01:43
  tried to take off was it's not shiny, it's a job.
• 1:01:46
  And that means there's gonna be sacrifices, by the way, just
• 1:01:49
  like there's sacrifices of what you do as well.
• 1:01:51
  Being an independent business owner, you have a little bit
• 1:01:54
  more leeway, sure, but. It's still hard now.
• 1:01:59
  I think my wife probably is ready for track season to be
• 1:02:02
  over already just because she has to do all the they're
• 1:02:05
  running around with practices and stuff so.
• 1:02:07
  And. For sure, especially I have to
• 1:02:09
  practice in the afternoon, so she has to run around with the
• 1:02:11
  kids and, you know, pick up from school while I'm at practice or
• 1:02:16
  heading to practice. Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  So yeah, I get it. It's tough, man.
• 1:02:21
  Every, every profession because it's with family and it should
• 1:02:26
  be the other way around. Families work should work around
• 1:02:30
  the family. And unfortunately, in our
• 1:02:31
  society, at least here in the United States, it doesn't
• 1:02:33
  happen. Whether you're in a more lenient
• 1:02:35
  thing like sports, like we are or not, it's it's still tough.
• 1:02:40
  OK, so you get your first facility, hang that shingle out
• 1:02:43
  and say, OK, come here, jump smart.
• 1:02:47
  First of all, how did you come up with the name?
• 1:02:49
  Join us making progress. How did that come about?
• 1:02:51
  We didn't have ChatGPT back then.
• 1:02:52
  So you didn't ChatGPT yet? Man, staring at a wall it was I
• 1:02:56
  I had jump. I I just had jump and that's all
• 1:03:00
  I had JUMPI started out like that one day and it always pops
• 1:03:04
  to be every year on the Facebook post because I before like it
• 1:03:07
  was like 3 years before I said I was searching for a used runaway
• 1:03:13
  or finding somewhere to I don't know where the hell I was going
• 1:03:15
  to put it, but I was searching for a runaway.
• 1:03:18
  I said JUMP coming soon. I, I had no idea what it was
• 1:03:22
  either going to come or be, but I came up with that and somebody
• 1:03:26
  asked what it mean. I I couldn't I didn't have an
• 1:03:28
  answer at the time. So I like join us making
• 1:03:31
  progress. Progress to what?
• 1:03:33
  Getting kids to college. OK.
• 1:03:36
  So that's kind of been what we what we live by now.
• 1:03:40
  It's kind of I like that that was kind of natural, like, you
• 1:03:43
  know, almost like premonition, like I I saw JUMP, but I didn't.
• 1:03:46
  I don't know what that meant yet.
• 1:03:47
  That's really cool. So that that pops up on your
• 1:03:50
  Facebook memories. Every year I'll tag.
• 1:03:52
  I'll tag you when it when it pops up.
• 1:03:53
  Please do I love Facebook memories might be my favorite
• 1:03:57
  thing on social media in the whole world.
• 1:03:59
  And you know how big I am on Twitter and I love Twitter, but
• 1:04:01
  I love that just like every day I go to, that's like one of my,
• 1:04:04
  it's like my, my drinking coffee, reading the newspapers.
• 1:04:07
  Like first thing I do is I go to memories like, oh, what did I
• 1:04:10
  post a year ago, three years or four years ago?
• 1:04:12
  It's just, it's, and it's, you know, because I've been on the
• 1:04:15
  now for 14/15/16 years, it, it shows like the progress of like
• 1:04:18
  what's important to me as well. So like way back in the day, I
• 1:04:21
  don't think anybody even knows this, but you know, 1615 years
• 1:04:24
  ago I owned the website gotroytrojans.com.
• 1:04:28
  That's my Mama monitor Troy Trojans.
• 1:04:30
  And so I ran the the biggest sites fandom site for Troy,
• 1:04:35
  mainly football, of course, basketball, but sports and
• 1:04:37
  stuff. And so I ran that website for a
• 1:04:39
  couple years. And so a lot of my Facebook
• 1:04:41
  posts were all about just football games we were playing.
• 1:04:44
  Go to the go to the message board.
• 1:04:45
  You know, it's always, you know, marketing back to the to the
• 1:04:48
  website and then, you know, I sold the website off and then
• 1:04:51
  it, you know, it starts. It was right when, you know, my
• 1:04:53
  first two or three years of being married.
• 1:04:54
  So there's a lot of just really, you know, gushy, you know, I
• 1:04:58
  love you, Amy. Can't wait to be home.
• 1:05:00
  You can tell I was on the road and stuff like that.
• 1:05:02
  You know, we used to post on each other's walls.
• 1:05:04
  My wife would post on my wall. Can't wait for you to be, you
• 1:05:06
  know, just mushy stuff like that.
• 1:05:08
  And then, you know, then you start seeing more track and then
• 1:05:11
  more coaching, you know, track coaches stuff.
• 1:05:13
  And just, I just like seeing the evolution of myself, I guess.
• 1:05:17
  I don't know. It's, you know, I'm, I'm what?
• 1:05:20
  What year did you graduate high school?
• 1:05:22
  2009. Oh God, yeah.
• 1:05:24
  OK, so I'm 16 ish years older than you.
• 1:05:28
  I am envious you you at O 9. You have this more than I do,
• 1:05:35
  but still not as much as like today's kids.
• 1:05:37
  I am envious of my kids and kids in today's age and stage where
• 1:05:42
  when they're 80 years old, they're going to have a million
• 1:05:45
  pictures of themselves as they were going up.
• 1:05:48
  Their kids are going to be able to see them as parents, you
• 1:05:51
  know, as kids growing up, their grandkids are going to be.
• 1:05:54
  I think I have two pictures of when I was a young kid because
• 1:05:57
  we didn't have digital camera, you know, that's the only two
• 1:05:59
  photos that have survived. I, I'm just so envious of like,
• 1:06:03
  I wish I could see like what was a picture of young Mike at 5:00
• 1:06:06
  and 6:00 and you know, the, the baseball, literally I, I played
• 1:06:09
  one year in soccer. So I don't want to see that
• 1:06:11
  picture. I.
• 1:06:12
  I agree I don't have many videos or yeah.
• 1:06:14
  That's what I said you were at the you're kind of in that
• 1:06:17
  transition. There's you have more photos
• 1:06:18
  than I do, but you don't have any.
• 1:06:20
  You know when YouTube was YouTube was around when I was in
• 1:06:23
  high school, bro, that was like when it started.
• 1:06:26
  I just read an article and literally this weekend in Fast
• 1:06:29
  Company about YouTube and remarked to my wife because I
• 1:06:32
  thought, you know, just in my head I'm like, oh, YouTube's
• 1:06:34
  been around forever. It started.
• 1:06:36
  It started in O 6. I was a sophomore in high
• 1:06:39
  school, that's what. I'm saying I I started Gill in O
• 1:06:41
  6 and I was like, Oh my God, we didn't have YouTube really when
• 1:06:44
  I got to Gill. In fact it started August of O6,
• 1:06:46
  which is when I started Gill. I'm like, that's like, it's just
• 1:06:49
  been around forever and it's like, no, bro, that's that's
• 1:06:51
  still very, very new, by the way.
• 1:06:53
  Yeah, yeah. Did you know, let's see you
• 1:06:55
  bring this stuff up. Did you know what YouTube was
• 1:06:58
  originally supposed to be like when the the owners.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah. It was going to be a dating
• 1:07:01
  site. You were going to upload your
• 1:07:04
  video of you like, hi, I'm Kenny Roseman from Dallas, TX.
• 1:07:07
  And I like long walks on the beach and stuff.
• 1:07:09
  That's what it was going to be. And then no one uploaded.
• 1:07:12
  They were like, OK, no one wants this, So what are we going to
• 1:07:15
  do? And they started figuring out
• 1:07:16
  about, you know, OK, we'll just post our own stuff on there.
• 1:07:18
  So the owner, the creator, the very first video ever, he went
• 1:07:22
  to the zoo and was like, this is an elephant, this is a lion.
• 1:07:27
  And that was the first video ever.
• 1:07:29
  It was a fascinating article. It talked about, you know, all
• 1:07:31
  the things that they had to get over in regards to copyright
• 1:07:34
  infringement, much like Napster back in the day.
• 1:07:36
  And yeah, yeah, yeah. All that kind of stuff.
• 1:07:37
  And then all the meme, the meme, the viral videos that came along
• 1:07:41
  the way Charlie bit my finger and stuff like that.
• 1:07:43
  So it was fascinating because, again, I was just like,
• 1:07:46
  YouTube's a baby. I, I would kept thinking, I
• 1:07:48
  think of YouTube's my age. Like, no, YouTube's a little
• 1:07:50
  baby, man. Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Baby. How in the world would we get on
• 1:07:53
  that anyway? OK, Facebook memories.
• 1:07:57
  That's. Facebook memories.
• 1:07:58
  I'm sorry. I'm the owner of this podcast.
• 1:08:01
  I get to do whatever I want. If you don't like listening to
• 1:08:03
  this, I'm cool. You can shut off a long time
• 1:08:05
  ago, but you're still here and I love you for it because we're
• 1:08:08
  learning about Kenny Roseman. So let's get back to you, Kenny.
• 1:08:12
  You start the facility jump comes very natural love that
• 1:08:15
  that's where Facebook memories come.
• 1:08:16
  How did it go? Owning your own business is a
• 1:08:19
  that's a that's a whole different ball game, man.
• 1:08:21
  How did it go? You know, getting clients and,
• 1:08:23
  and, and walk us through how you started navigating the high
• 1:08:26
  school versus club bridge. OK, so I guess the how I started
• 1:08:32
  getting clients was actually from a lot of the high schools
• 1:08:37
  whenever you again, I was working at a high school before.
• 1:08:41
  So whenever I saw that the same thing, you're working at a high
• 1:08:45
  school, a lot of people don't want you working with outside
• 1:08:48
  kids or go to different high schools.
• 1:08:50
  For me, that was a problem, right?
• 1:08:51
  So I want to train everybody. I want to help everyone.
• 1:08:55
  So I get the facility going. I was able to, I guess, find a
• 1:09:02
  few coaches that in the area, high school coaches.
• 1:09:05
  What made you Sorry, Kenny, what made you I mean there, you know,
• 1:09:09
  we talked about audacity with what Jasmine said to you after
• 1:09:12
  jumping 4311 3/4. There's some audacity on your
• 1:09:15
  part. What made you think there are
• 1:09:17
  There are no facilities like this?
• 1:09:19
  Let's be real here. When I say no, meaning like it's
• 1:09:22
  not like every on every corner there's a mini track club,
• 1:09:27
  right? They go to other facilities.
• 1:09:30
  They all the clubs go to the facility.
• 1:09:31
  What made you think like this was a good idea?
• 1:09:34
  Like this would even be successful?
• 1:09:36
  You don't seem like the guy who wants to throw away money and
• 1:09:38
  burn it. So you had to think like I can
• 1:09:39
  make this work. Where did you?
• 1:09:41
  This is kind of a crazy idea, dude.
• 1:09:44
  I got lucky 1 and they there was the building that I was in
• 1:09:48
  before they were trying to get somebody in the in the sweetest,
• 1:09:52
  quickest possible. They posted an ad.
• 1:09:55
  I saw it on Craigslist, man, So even or it was like Facebook.
• 1:09:59
  It's like this is Craigslist. But they said this 6000 square
• 1:10:04
  foot warehouse for 3000 a month or something for the first.
• 1:10:08
  So I said I'll be there tomorrow.
• 1:10:09
  You is it for real? We came with the money and we
• 1:10:12
  got moved in within the next week or so.
• 1:10:17
  But you're right, there's not a lot of facilities for, I guess
• 1:10:21
  for long jump, long jump or triple jump.
• 1:10:23
  We're adding high jump in there, but there's not a lot of
• 1:10:27
  facilities, especially on the South side of Dallas.
• 1:10:30
  There's a bunch up north, Grapevine, Frisco, McKinney out,
• 1:10:35
  there's a bunch out, Plano much out that way.
• 1:10:38
  But in DeSoto, South Dallas, Duncanville, all that area,
• 1:10:41
  there's not anything like it. So for me it was all right, we
• 1:10:46
  can do. You've been to the both spots.
• 1:10:49
  So you we have the turf field, we can do some football
• 1:10:52
  training. We have the weight room where we
• 1:10:54
  can do boot camp classes and fitness stuff.
• 1:10:58
  Now we have at the new facility, we have a little bit more room
• 1:11:02
  to do everything, full weight room.
• 1:11:05
  We have the recovery, 60 meter lanes inside a full runway.
• 1:11:12
  We have, I guess, more resources now to help out, yeah.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah, I just don't know how. I mean, most of the things that
• 1:11:22
  come about are, and this sounds bad, but it's not.
• 1:11:25
  It's copycat of something else, right.
• 1:11:26
  Meaning like, oh, you can make burgers and fries and, and make
• 1:11:31
  a living out of that. Like like a franchise, like,
• 1:11:33
  well, I can too. I call it Burger King or I'll
• 1:11:35
  call it Wendy's. And you know, they're all the
• 1:11:37
  same things, but someone did it first and then the other people
• 1:11:40
  are like, well, we can do it and do it better too.
• 1:11:41
  Or, you know, make so much money.
• 1:11:43
  There's no model for maybe the closest thing that you would
• 1:11:46
  have seen as a model because Texas, I don't know if Texas
• 1:11:51
  necessarily LED in this area, but certainly quantity wise has
• 1:11:54
  started leading this area. The pole vault clubs, there's a
• 1:11:57
  lot of pole vault clubs in Texas and they have a great bit.
• 1:12:01
  You know, there's a business model there and that's much more
• 1:12:03
  equipment stressed based. Yeah, but but there's a, you
• 1:12:08
  know, it's a niche and they do quite well there.
• 1:12:11
  There are no like there wasn't, there isn't 5 or 6 or 7 jumps
• 1:12:15
  focused clubs or facilities That that's what to me is like
• 1:12:20
  there's a little bit of like a risk taker in you for this
• 1:12:24
  because this easily could have blown up and just been like dead
• 1:12:26
  in the water from the jump. I say when I got started, there
• 1:12:31
  was and I was one of the first ones.
• 1:12:34
  There's a place called ESST, my boy Carlos Cody, he has a spot
• 1:12:40
  out out in Fort Worth. Then now down in Houston, like
• 1:12:45
  the Katy Cypress area, Frank Mason and coach hey good.
• 1:12:51
  They have a place called the Avionics.
• 1:12:53
  So their club has an indoor facility.
• 1:12:55
  So we, I think Texas is popping up with a few more and that's
• 1:12:59
  kind of why we think certain groups are coming out.
• 1:13:03
  And you, you're seeing a lot more talent coming out of Texas,
• 1:13:06
  not just our wind, but we're, we have a lot more groups that
• 1:13:09
  focus on the, the technical events till the pole vaults,
• 1:13:12
  the, the high, the long jump, triple jump, the hurdles.
• 1:13:15
  I think that's kind of where Texas is different than a lot of
• 1:13:20
  the other places that we do rely on club coaches and outside
• 1:13:24
  coaches especially tired doing double the running.
• 1:13:27
  But for a jumper they have to come jump.
• 1:13:29
  A pole vaulter has to go vault, the thrower has to throw.
• 1:13:32
  So we get a chance to work with all these kids and it's not, I'm
• 1:13:37
  talking about every level. So it's not just like the really
• 1:13:39
  elite kids that are coming into practice, It's the developmental
• 1:13:43
  kids that we're getting to just because they're not getting that
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  type of training and they want to try to progress in at the
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  high school level too. So it's it's helped a lot, you
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  know, having these facilities pop up.
• 1:13:54
  Do do you get called often from people in Connecticut?
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  They're like, hey man, I'm thinking about doing this.
• 1:13:59
  I see you're doing this. What do I need to be aware of?
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  And we helped out with a few people.
• 1:14:05
  There's one. In Nebraska that we helped with
• 1:14:08
  setting up stuff. Aaron Gaston reached out to me
• 1:14:12
  for the place that they have up north.
• 1:14:17
  I know he did his little different, but we all just try
• 1:14:19
  to combine how how we did these things to make it lighter or
• 1:14:23
  easier to move or whatever, whatever it may be, how he did
• 1:14:27
  the boxes to keep it from bowing out.
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  So that that thing we all kind of share and try to help you.
• 1:14:32
  I don't think jumpers, jump coaches are.
• 1:14:36
  We're competitive when we compete, but we're all pretty
• 1:14:39
  cool with each other. I don't have anybody that I
• 1:14:40
  dislike in the coach jump coaching spot.
• 1:14:43
  Yeah. And it probably helps when
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  they're not, like within call it.
• 1:14:47
  You know, because of where you are in DeSoto, you know, call it
• 1:14:49
  30 miles from you, you know, when they're not because,
• 1:14:51
  because it's like, you know, a guy in Nebraska calls you,
• 1:14:53
  you're like, well, he ain't stealing my clients like, you
• 1:14:55
  know, so, so, so I love that collaborative part of it.
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  And I because I think, I think that is part of, you know, Texas
• 1:15:04
  has a lot of advantages, right? Weather for sure, you know,
• 1:15:07
  sheer size, you know, population.
• 1:15:08
  There's a lot of people that come out of Texas that are
• 1:15:10
  faster and jump farther because, well, they just have more people
• 1:15:12
  to throw at it. There is I, I think, you know,
• 1:15:16
  these TTFCA and some other groups have really helped raise
• 1:15:20
  the coaching education level in Texas as well.
• 1:15:22
  I know we get, and that's kind of the club versus high school.
• 1:15:25
  One of the arguments is, you know how many high school
• 1:15:28
  coaches are not air quotes here, real track coaches, their
• 1:15:30
  football coaches who just do it and all this kind of stuff?
• 1:15:33
  Sure, some. But guess what also happens in
• 1:15:34
  Alabama? That was my experience.
• 1:15:36
  That happens everywhere. We don't have that that quote UN
• 1:15:39
  quote perfect track coach everywhere, but that's just
• 1:15:42
  impossible. I think makes me believe, by the
• 1:15:45
  way, we don't ever talk about this.
• 1:15:46
  There has to be coaches who coach football who don't know
• 1:15:48
  what they're doing there either, by the way.
• 1:15:50
  It just has to be just by just by the sheer numbers.
• 1:15:52
  It's like there's a lot of football coaches out there.
• 1:15:53
  Not all of them have to be football junkies.
• 1:15:55
  I guarantee you there's some offensive line coaches just
• 1:15:57
  getting by and the head coach is like, well, that's all I got.
• 1:16:00
  So we're gonna do anyway. There's some.
• 1:16:03
  There's some talented jump coaches in high school.
• 1:16:06
  Level and I think big time, big time yeah for me I know one of
• 1:16:09
  the. Like well.
• 1:16:11
  I got a chance to work with Jasmine in high school because
• 1:16:16
  Lauren Bryant, she's the head head girls coach, but now a
• 1:16:21
  coach with James Wisenhunt was the jumps coach there.
• 1:16:25
  He doesn't even coach jumps anymore.
• 1:16:26
  Now he's a distance coach. So again, there's people that
• 1:16:30
  are really, really good coaches. This guy has had eight guys jump
• 1:16:34
  48 feet plus down the high school level, right.
• 1:16:38
  So while we working, we, we combine the, you know, the
• 1:16:41
  workouts and he works on approach or I work on the jumps.
• 1:16:45
  I work, he works on the jumps, I work on approach.
• 1:16:48
  There's kids. He's had a he had a guy to jump
• 1:16:50
  50 feet as a sophomore. He helped coach Jasmine.
• 1:16:54
  He went one and two and 5A and 6A1 year and triple jump.
• 1:16:58
  So Jasmine and another girl. So he there's I don't, I don't
• 1:17:02
  think that to say that there's especially I I hate hearing that
• 1:17:06
  there's no good high school coaches because there's there's
• 1:17:10
  bad club coaches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:11
  By the way, that that's the OK. So 1 you can prove that.
• 1:17:14
  There's good coaches in high school level because the
• 1:17:17
  majority of of high school track athletes don't go to a club
• 1:17:20
  coach. Let's be real here.
• 1:17:21
  The like vast majority don't go to a club coach and go look at
• 1:17:26
  the results. But that proves it right there.
• 1:17:28
  And they have more kids, so you're managing more kids with
• 1:17:31
  less. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:17:33
  That's right. And two, great point there.
• 1:17:37
  We hear a lot of it from the club coaching side and these are
• 1:17:39
  big generalizations, guys. I know there's always people in
• 1:17:42
  between that that don't act like this, but we hear from the club
• 1:17:45
  coaches like, well, we're filling a need because there's
• 1:17:48
  no you know, the high school coaches aren't very good and
• 1:17:50
  we're the experts and it's. But then again, the law of
• 1:17:53
  average, it says, well, not every club coach is an expert
• 1:17:55
  either. Let's yeah, let's be let's be
• 1:17:57
  real here, but I think there's a need for both.
• 1:18:00
  But the, the, the need for both means that there has to be
• 1:18:04
  communication. So today with you, you're,
• 1:18:08
  you're a very well known club coach.
• 1:18:10
  You do a lot of good work. I was blessed to be down there a
• 1:18:13
  few weeks ago and see, and I love, you know, the first person
• 1:18:16
  I meet there, of course, it was a young lady who's very, very
• 1:18:19
  good. She was going on some, you know,
• 1:18:20
  big power forward visits. And I was like, Oh yeah, that's
• 1:18:22
  what I expect around here. And then the next kid I meet is
• 1:18:25
  a little, she had to be 8 years old.
• 1:18:27
  She didn't, you know, didn't not that she didn't want to be
• 1:18:29
  there. You know, she's, she was an 8
• 1:18:30
  year old. She was playing around, you
• 1:18:31
  know, and I was like, oh, wow, he really does have the whole
• 1:18:34
  gamut here. That's actually, it gave me a
• 1:18:36
  lot more respect for you. And he's like, oh, he's dealing
• 1:18:38
  with, he ain't dealing with just the Elise.
• 1:18:39
  He's got everybody here. So I, I really did love that.
• 1:18:44
  But you're dealing with a lot of great kids.
• 1:18:47
  And so you're, you're having to coordinate high school versus
• 1:18:50
  club versus visits and all this stuff.
• 1:18:52
  How are you helping with the communication side with high
• 1:18:56
  school coaches, with the athletes and things like that?
• 1:18:58
  How, how are you helping? How are you?
• 1:19:00
  How are you not trying to make it worse?
• 1:19:02
  That might be so for me. It's As for me.
• 1:19:06
  I guess communication. Both sides How the?
• 1:19:08
  Athlete feels and what coach feels that that athlete needs to
• 1:19:12
  have covered, right? So I, I, I keep using Lake Ridge
• 1:19:16
  as an example, but that's one of the schools I've worked with the
• 1:19:19
  most, right? So the girl that came in
• 1:19:21
  yesterday, we did some testing stuff, standing long jump, 5
• 1:19:25
  bounds, and then they do their weight room testing at school.
• 1:19:31
  So I don't have to double up and have a kid Max out twice in the
• 1:19:34
  weight room, but I can message the coach, send all the stuff.
• 1:19:38
  So hey, this this kids still coming to practice.
• 1:19:40
  This is how they've improved on this.
• 1:19:43
  Do you see the same things at your practice?
• 1:19:47
  So I think that open communication is even when the
• 1:19:51
  kids come into practice for me, I'm normally the last thing that
• 1:19:54
  they see as far as practice, right?
• 1:19:56
  So if a kid goes to school, they lift weights in the morning,
• 1:20:00
  then they have after school practice and they want to come
• 1:20:02
  to me after. It makes it a little harder to
• 1:20:05
  get the work done, especially knowing what we know with energy
• 1:20:08
  systems and. Just overall burnout from club
• 1:20:13
  coach going crazy thinking that we need to do all this.
• 1:20:16
  It's, it's a balance. Because again, the only person
• 1:20:20
  that suffers is like you said, that the athlete suffers.
• 1:20:22
  So I'm not as selfish. For me, I don't even have a
• 1:20:26
  club. I just train kids, right?
• 1:20:28
  It's a facility. We train kids so they're not
• 1:20:32
  they'll never put on a jump Smart Texas uniform.
• 1:20:35
  Oh, I don't think I I, I, yeah. So that's been my that's.
• 1:20:39
  Been my thing the whole time. I'm I'm not a club.
• 1:20:41
  I have a couple kids. That signed up under jump smart
• 1:20:44
  cap to sign up for a track meet or something but we're not doing
• 1:20:48
  it's not a jump Smart Texas uniform.
• 1:20:51
  So I I want to train and reach everyone as I work with even
• 1:20:56
  clubs like I, I have clubs that take all their kids over there.
• 1:20:58
  I was, I'd say, wait a minute. So you actually are.
• 1:21:00
  I'm gonna air quotes here. You're in competition with club
• 1:21:03
  coaches as well. You know what I mean?
• 1:21:07
  If, if I were to say. A club coach.
• 1:21:09
  Is in competition with a high. School coach, which may not be a
• 1:21:11
  very fair thing to say as I say that, but meaning like you can
• 1:21:16
  have what you were about to say and I rudely interrupted you.
• 1:21:19
  You have club kids that come over too you.
• 1:21:20
  You really are at this weird intersection of all of this.
• 1:21:24
  I I was thinking club coach who coaches high school kids.
• 1:21:28
  No, you're, you're a very you're a, you're a, you're a jumps
• 1:21:30
  trainer, not a club coach. I'm a, I'm a jumps training
• 1:21:34
  facility owner. Yeah.
• 1:21:35
  I don't I. Don't do.
• 1:21:37
  I don't have anybody that does team.
• 1:21:39
  So most of my kids were on, you know, Jack rabbits, North Texas
• 1:21:43
  cheetahs. AP Ranch was the girl that you
• 1:21:46
  met. So is that where she was?
• 1:21:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:48
  So we have kids that come from every team.
• 1:21:51
  It just depends on what what they need.
• 1:21:54
  I mean, some kids need to come in and lift with coach John or
• 1:21:57
  some kids need to come in do jumps technique because it's
• 1:21:59
  they Sprint all day at at jump at school practice.
• 1:22:04
  So this depends on I guess what a kid needs.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah, that's way more interest. This this got way more
• 1:22:08
  interesting so. How do you OK, so you sit at a
• 1:22:12
  very unique seat. You're, you're, you're seeing
• 1:22:15
  coaches from AP, Jack rabbits, etcetera, great clubs.
• 1:22:19
  By the way, I interact with a lot of those guys on Twitter and
• 1:22:22
  social media, great people, but you're also seeing DeSoto High
• 1:22:26
  and Duncanville and and things like that.
• 1:22:28
  So how do you from where you sit things I feel like you might
• 1:22:31
  have a unique aspect to and maybe you already said it, the C
• 1:22:34
  word communication. How do you see?
• 1:22:37
  Because it it's not healthy right now.
• 1:22:42
  I think I could say this, especially in Texas.
• 1:22:44
  And that's just my preview, what I see on social media as I'm
• 1:22:47
  kind of, you know, as the advocate of track coaches, I'm
• 1:22:50
  watching all of this and trying to help where I can without
• 1:22:52
  putting my nose in places I don't need to be in.
• 1:22:54
  But it's not healthy in some respects right now of our club
• 1:22:58
  coaches to our to our high school coaches.
• 1:23:00
  But both ways, By the way, I'm not putting the blame on both
• 1:23:02
  ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:03
  But what do we do to make it better, man?
• 1:23:09
  It has to be about the kid. Like I haven't.
• 1:23:11
  I've had a. Kids that don't even do school
• 1:23:14
  track because they can't come to a practice with me or they can't
• 1:23:20
  go to a practice with their club coach.
• 1:23:21
  And that might be what the kid or the parents want wants.
• 1:23:25
  So I think for for all of us, we can't tell.
• 1:23:30
  We can, but it's not. A lot of times for me, I haven't
• 1:23:35
  you. I don't like telling parents
• 1:23:36
  what to do with their children, right.
• 1:23:38
  So there's always going to be someone that thinks that they
• 1:23:42
  are missing something or that they need something extra.
• 1:23:45
  And that's and that's perfectly fine.
• 1:23:47
  If you feel like your your child is struggling with math, you're
• 1:23:50
  going to find them a math tutor. It would be that it's the same
• 1:23:54
  thing. Or if you want to, yeah, if you
• 1:23:56
  want to get lose 20 lbs, you can get a personal trainer.
• 1:24:00
  You can still eat good. You can still walk and do
• 1:24:03
  everything with your family at home.
• 1:24:04
  But do you want to get a personal trainer to do stuff?
• 1:24:06
  So it it, I think we have to take the ego out of out of.
• 1:24:12
  Out of this it's. Not this person is better than
• 1:24:15
  it's it's like taking a vitamin we're trying to or supplement
• 1:24:20
  we're supplementing the main work.
• 1:24:23
  I don't I'll never call myself like you're getting everything
• 1:24:26
  you need from what I'm giving you right.
• 1:24:30
  So I think that's I don't don't always consider.
• 1:24:35
  Yourself the main work for me. I think there's a lot of
• 1:24:39
  especially when you have to work with a lot of other people,
• 1:24:42
  there has to be there has to be room for everybody to work.
• 1:24:47
  So again, now it's fall training, right?
• 1:24:50
  So I can't squat somebody really, really, really heavy.
• 1:24:54
  And I know their school coach is going to have them doing wickets
• 1:24:57
  the next day. So that's just that's that would
• 1:25:00
  be us being. So you have to go with this
• 1:25:01
  program. You have to be able to shuffle
• 1:25:03
  and move stuff around just for the the safety of the kid, you
• 1:25:07
  know, So, so are you just in like constant communication with
• 1:25:10
  all these other coaches then? Man, I have that's I have a lot
• 1:25:13
  of coaches in my phone, but like when we send the.
• 1:25:15
  Videos there's certain schools that again, I'm asking the kid
• 1:25:19
  every day when the kid walks in what'd you do at practice today?
• 1:25:21
  You you sure you heard that when you walked in?
• 1:25:23
  What you guys what'd you guys do today?
• 1:25:25
  What'd you guys do today? Because I don't, I never want to
• 1:25:28
  go back and and text their body early, especially with kids like
• 1:25:32
  you don't right, It's, it's it's early in the season, but then
• 1:25:37
  just I want to leave some room on the bone in college, right.
• 1:25:42
  So you, I, I for me, I want to train them well, but leave room
• 1:25:47
  for them to be exposed to more in college training wise, right,
• 1:25:51
  right. I I think I'm going to start
• 1:25:52
  calling you the vitamin. I really like that the
• 1:25:54
  supplement of. Like, oh, I, I had this picture
• 1:25:58
  that you were prescribing workouts from September 5th all
• 1:26:02
  the way through June. You're you're you're really a
• 1:26:06
  coordinator even of like, oh, OK, you're working with this
• 1:26:09
  club coach and this high school coach.
• 1:26:10
  OK, here's you need a little bit more help here.
• 1:26:13
  OK, let's make sure we're doing those in the right time periods
• 1:26:15
  because like I said, you lifted heavy so we're not going to go
• 1:26:17
  do this XYZ. That's super fascinating.
• 1:26:20
  I don't know that like I can't think of a top ahead.
• 1:26:24
  Like I'm trying to think of other clubs like, oh, that's how
• 1:26:26
  they do. It most are, you know.
• 1:26:28
  Clubs here's we have a uniform during the summer or whatever
• 1:26:31
  and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so unique.
• 1:26:33
  And then now for us at the facility, we have, let's say,
• 1:26:36
  coach. John Drummond, that's there and
• 1:26:39
  then we have DJ Henderson, that's there so and Coach
• 1:26:42
  Kamaran. So we have three other coaches
• 1:26:45
  that we're all under the same roof and we can plan all these
• 1:26:49
  workouts together. So for us, even before, when I
• 1:26:53
  was younger, I had, I had to do all the weight lifting, I had to
• 1:26:56
  do the speed work, I had to do this.
• 1:26:57
  So we had to combine 3-4 hours in into one or two sessions.
• 1:27:02
  So now we get a chance to really, really, really break
• 1:27:06
  stuff down kid by kid, athlete by athlete, depending on what
• 1:27:09
  they need. So it's I'm excited, man.
• 1:27:13
  It's going to be a fun year. How do you who was the young man
• 1:27:17
  that I met that was. Running the kids through that
• 1:27:19
  one workout, Was that DJ? Yeah, that was DJ.
• 1:27:21
  The kid that went to Oregon, that was DJ Henderson.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, DJ. You named another.
• 1:27:26
  Coach, I don't think I met this person, no.
• 1:27:28
  Coach Kamya Smith, he's that he does like a lot of.
• 1:27:31
  My football training and my strength and conditioning.
• 1:27:34
  So anything that involves footwork, that's you got OK, but
• 1:27:37
  foot, footwork, strength and conditioning, we have a said a
• 1:27:40
  few other coaches that help out. So how do you, you know, jump
• 1:27:45
  Texas? And that jump Smart Texas and
• 1:27:47
  that facility is is Kenny wrote. Like when anybody thinks about
• 1:27:50
  it, it's it's Kenny. You added a dear friend.
• 1:27:54
  You know, this is I'm not saying anything I wouldn't say in front
• 1:27:57
  of JD and both of you, and I probably said it when I was
• 1:28:00
  there. How do you so JD comes with his
• 1:28:03
  own style. And I'm not talking about the
• 1:28:05
  clown Prince of track style things.
• 1:28:07
  I'm talking about his own coaching philosophy and
• 1:28:09
  thoughts. And you know, he's a he's a man
• 1:28:11
  of my age. So we've been around the block.
• 1:28:12
  He's got, you know, he's stubborn in some things, right?
• 1:28:14
  How do you how do you guys coordinate maybe differing
• 1:28:18
  styles and maybe you're going to tell me your styles are the
• 1:28:20
  exact same. I have no clue.
• 1:28:21
  But how do you, you know, it's like, hey, this is my facility
• 1:28:23
  boss, but but also you're, you're a very collaborative
• 1:28:26
  person. How do you handle someone of JD
• 1:28:28
  stature? He's got a stature man.
• 1:28:30
  He's a, he's a strong personality.
• 1:28:33
  You know how that is. But luckily.
• 1:28:35
  Randomly again, he coached Jasmine in high school.
• 1:28:39
  That's right. So he did her strength and
• 1:28:41
  conditioning. So all.
• 1:28:42
  Throughout that. Time.
• 1:28:43
  That was 45 years of I'm going to coach John to do my weight
• 1:28:48
  lifting and then we're going to come jump after her.
• 1:28:51
  So for her, like again, how talented she was, She would go
• 1:28:54
  do all these crazy hard workouts with coach John and then not
• 1:28:57
  knowing, you know, I knew what she she was squat and do all
• 1:29:01
  this other stuff. But actually seeing coach John
• 1:29:03
  now, I feel bad for her because there's I don't know how I made
• 1:29:08
  you jump after doing some of the stuff that I've seen coach John
• 1:29:11
  do to some of these kids every day.
• 1:29:13
  But no, it's and even Coach DJ, like I trained him in high
• 1:29:16
  school. But for us, we know, we know
• 1:29:21
  what the, I guess what the medicine we're giving the kid
• 1:29:24
  is, right? So if they only need to work on
• 1:29:26
  flexibility and jump technique today, that's how we're working
• 1:29:30
  on or whatever, like whatever kids.
• 1:29:32
  So when we have all these coaches there, I can send the
• 1:29:35
  kid to Coach DJ. All right, we're going to work
• 1:29:36
  on some of these, some of this running mechanic stuff.
• 1:29:38
  We're going to work on some excel and body position with
• 1:29:40
  Coach DJ. If you need to have a
• 1:29:43
  conditioning day or work on some strength to conditioning, do
• 1:29:45
  some starts. You go Coach John, right?
• 1:29:48
  So we have, you know, the ability to, I guess, pick and
• 1:29:52
  choose which. Coaches get to work with.
• 1:29:54
  Which kids, which day? And it does help, but we all do
• 1:29:56
  have our own groups though, so it's it's cool.
• 1:29:59
  I mean, you're really like, it's one thing for you to say like.
• 1:30:02
  You know, we need to have a lot of communication amongst our
• 1:30:05
  club and high school and vitamin people, things like that.
• 1:30:08
  But you're living it in your own facility of like coordination
• 1:30:11
  with John DJ Like you're you're really, I mean, you're living
• 1:30:14
  what you're preaching here is what I'm kind of seeing.
• 1:30:17
  And we try to again, we're we are track nerds.
• 1:30:21
  So we do we spend a lot of time together.
• 1:30:25
  I talked to DJ and John already today and getting ready for
• 1:30:29
  practices later, but seeing what what we need to improve on and
• 1:30:33
  what we need to fix or which kids are coming in that did XY
• 1:30:38
  and Z the last two workouts. So we do we do talk a lot.
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  I think it it helps. I love that DJ seems like a
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  super fun kid. So love and I say.
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  Kid, you know, he's just younger than all of us, but loved
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  watching him lead the he's energetic man, very.
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  Oh my God, yeah, yeah, very. And, you know, knowing.
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  John for quite a while. Now I mean it is interesting you
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  know not not discounting our footwork, I guys don't know him,
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  but you, you, you triangle you 3 headed dragon there.
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  It is interesting kind of the advantages that each one of you
• 1:31:09
  guys bring to the table. Man, it's it's perfect.
• 1:31:13
  I got a jump coach and two high. Level Sprint coaches and John
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  can do some strength and conditioning and so it's it's
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  really, really cool to see the kids that we've had collect.
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  I mean John just came in this year, but collectively me and DJ
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  the last, you know, four to five years since he's graduated.
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  We've been doing, you know, 25 foot kids and kids that grant he
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  had he had two ten one kids 10/18/10 let yeah, and then 1032
• 1:31:43
  like so he's even for him like it's it's cool seeing after
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  that. You coached before yeah,
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  graduate. They come home and people are
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  saying I remember people something like telling me I
• 1:31:53
  couldn't be a good coach because I was young and like his age.
• 1:31:56
  But now he's three or four years in and he has, you know, 210 one
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  guys. What are you going to tell him?
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  Right, right, right. You can't say.
• 1:32:03
  You can't say he's not a good coach, right?
• 1:32:05
  Right, you might. Go through whole career and not
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  have 10-1 guys. I mean, let's.
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  Let's be real well, Kenny, as you look at you know, you're
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  just moving in. The dust wasn't even settled
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  when I was there a couple weeks ago.
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  You're still moving in and getting things good.
• 1:32:17
  What's your vision? What is as you look towards you
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  know it's 2025203020402050. What do you want Jump Smart to
• 1:32:24
  become? It's.
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  Going to be a platform for all all jumpers.
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  Again, I, I do want to, I'm not saying a big, huge league or
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  anything, but it's going to be a facility where we can come in
• 1:32:41
  and we can have our own stuff. They have different pole vault
• 1:32:46
  meats that, that these facilities they have.
• 1:32:50
  There's places like in Europe that just have longer facilities
• 1:32:53
  or they have the 60 inside and they can, we can have these
• 1:32:57
  little small, not small meats cause the one in December is
• 1:33:00
  going to be crazy. But we can have these meats and
• 1:33:02
  everything where college kids are jumping.
• 1:33:06
  We have the pros jumping, we have high school coaches coming
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  in. But again, I think for me in the
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  facility is trying to, there's a lot of sports complexes in Texas
• 1:33:17
  and throughout the country. And for me, it was trying to go
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  in that route, I guess as a, as a true facility where we can
• 1:33:28
  have events for well, wrap us up because with this you talked
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  about the. Soccer background with the OD,
• 1:33:37
  the Olympic development and showcases and things like that.
• 1:33:40
  And you, you, you gave us little tease right there about
• 1:33:42
  December. Talk to us about you.
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  You do and I don't, I can't remember what year this is at
• 1:33:46
  least year three that I can think of.
• 1:33:48
  But you do this like jump showcase in December.
• 1:33:50
  Talk to us about that, how that started and what's your goals
• 1:33:53
  from that going on our sixth year now.
• 1:33:55
  So we started, Yeah, so. It's our 6th edition.
• 1:33:58
  We did the first one during COVID.
• 1:34:02
  So yeah, we went out to AP Ranch for the first one.
• 1:34:06
  And for us it was trying to get, I had 12 seniors that track
• 1:34:11
  season was cut short. How with how can we get them the
• 1:34:15
  visibility with college coaches? And again, I, I remember just
• 1:34:20
  going to ODP camps and doing all this stuff and seeing that we do
• 1:34:24
  have that for soccer, football has there's a, the same weekend
• 1:34:30
  they had a mega, they had 200 schools come out to 1 football
• 1:34:34
  camp and they had just every kid trying out and doing stuff and
• 1:34:39
  everybody's getting offered and doing all this crazy stuff.
• 1:34:41
  But I said we don't track doesn't have anything like that.
• 1:34:44
  Not, I'm not even like the big shoe national meets, like
• 1:34:48
  they're always having to split up or if a coach comes, they
• 1:34:50
  come. I would say at the last, last
• 1:34:55
  year we had 60 coaches. So that's that's probably more
• 1:34:58
  coaches than I saw at the big shoe meets.
• 1:35:01
  So, and especially this year with the the convention being in
• 1:35:04
  Dallas, we're gonna get, I mean, if we get 100 coaches, I
• 1:35:07
  wouldn't be surprised, but it's cool.
• 1:35:09
  Because. There's talent of all level.
• 1:35:12
  Like last year we had around 220 kids come out just for long
• 1:35:16
  jump, triple jump. And I said it's from every,
• 1:35:21
  every part of the country. Yeah.
• 1:35:23
  So it, it was really impressive to see the group that we put
• 1:35:27
  together and we're trying to get some really good kids.
• 1:35:29
  I'm trying to get a couple international kids to come over.
• 1:35:33
  But trying to make the, the showcase event a, a global event
• 1:35:37
  for the United States, 'cause I think I, I, I do take it
• 1:35:41
  personally as a jump coach when a college coach has to go
• 1:35:44
  overseas to get a jumper, right? And so for me, it's like I have,
• 1:35:49
  I'll have the same kid in my group right now and you're going
• 1:35:52
  like, so for me, I especially in Texas, we could, we can go
• 1:35:58
  against a lot of countries just in Texas with the talent that we
• 1:36:01
  have on the jump side, especially in the last years
• 1:36:04
  we've had, I think we've had a 5050150253 foot guy the last six
• 1:36:10
  years. Seven years.
• 1:36:11
  Yeah. Even on the girls, we've had
• 1:36:14
  four girls that jump 44 feet off from Texas, right?
• 1:36:17
  Yeah, That's quite amazing. What?
• 1:36:19
  At the showcase. Do they just, do they focus on
• 1:36:23
  doing the long indoor triple jump or do you do any like fly
• 1:36:26
  30 work or anything Like I think it like showcase like other
• 1:36:29
  things, right? This year we're putting the
• 1:36:32
  beams on the runway, so. We're making doing like the
• 1:36:35
  World Athletics type Research reports.
• 1:36:38
  So we're going to have a the, the big screen on there.
• 1:36:41
  So as they come through the beams, the you get the last 10m
• 1:36:45
  splits you can get. So that's going to be cool.
• 1:36:48
  So we already have video. Boards and all that.
• 1:36:51
  We just, I give you all the secret stuff.
• 1:36:53
  We ordered a championship belt, so we're going to have a big,
• 1:36:57
  big wrestling. Belt for the Champions.
• 1:37:01
  We're doing a big light show so that all the sparklers and stuff
• 1:37:04
  like so when they get announced, it's going to that's right.
• 1:37:07
  It's it's going to be it's going to be like the Olympics inside.
• 1:37:10
  It's going to be fun. Like they're going to have the
• 1:37:12
  sparklers, they're going to say coming to the runway.
• 1:37:14
  Now we have little love from Dallas, TX, and so it's going to
• 1:37:18
  be cool. They get their own announcement,
• 1:37:20
  pick their walk out music and stuff for the finalists and
• 1:37:23
  stuff. It's going to be fun.
• 1:37:24
  That's so cool. Is that you mentioned around the
• 1:37:26
  the convention? The convention starts roughly
• 1:37:30
  Sunday and goes through the roughly Thursday.
• 1:37:31
  There's things that add on to. Is it before or after?
• 1:37:34
  Before We always do it around the college dead period, so
• 1:37:37
  yeah. So it'll be that Saturday,
• 1:37:39
  Sunday. So you fly.
• 1:37:41
  In early May. Come out on Yeah, on Saturday or
• 1:37:43
  Sunday. I'm I I should know.
• 1:37:45
  Soon I might. Be we're we're a sponsor of the
• 1:37:49
  NFHSAD convention in I AAA, which is the weekend like
• 1:37:54
  adjacent basically Saturday through Monday and then the USTC
• 1:37:59
  a Sunday through Thursday. Our vendor starts on Monday.
• 1:38:02
  But normally I have a separate group that goes to the NFS ad
• 1:38:07
  show. I don't even think about it,
• 1:38:09
  'cause I'm focused on USTF CCA this year.
• 1:38:13
  We're sponsoring. We're doing like for all the ADS
• 1:38:16
  there. We're doing this, you know,
• 1:38:18
  bags, tournament, you know, bags.
• 1:38:20
  Yeah. And they, they might want me to
• 1:38:23
  do the announcing for that. So I may go to Tampa and then
• 1:38:28
  Sunday night come to Dallas and then be ready for Monday through
• 1:38:31
  the rest of the week. If I don't, I think I might come
• 1:38:34
  early. Yeah, Go check it out.
• 1:38:36
  Yeah. Because that's good that I can't
• 1:38:38
  wait to see that. I'm called.
• 1:38:40
  Spectacle, but like that, you know, that's just really cool to
• 1:38:43
  give the kids something they deserve.
• 1:38:44
  They work super hard. It's gonna be fun, man.
• 1:38:47
  I think all the college coaches coming in is.
• 1:38:50
  Refreshing especially for them there there's not AI have never
• 1:38:55
  been somewhere where there's 50 or 60 college coaches hanging
• 1:38:58
  out watching a long jump competition and you might see a
• 1:39:02
  17 girl 17 foot girl getting a chance to talk to any one of her
• 1:39:07
  dream schools and or any school that might as remember like
• 1:39:12
  there was a kid that mom was like I can't get her down there.
• 1:39:15
  She I'm I'm have to send her on the bus.
• 1:39:17
  The girl came on a bus from Houston.
• 1:39:20
  Unsigned senior girl jumps 1910 and 40 foot 5 full ride that day
• 1:39:27
  so for me. That's.
• 1:39:29
  That's cool. That's the impact that it has
• 1:39:31
  just seeing. Every kid that.
• 1:39:34
  Comes to the track me I'm guaranteed not not guaranteed,
• 1:39:36
  but they'll have a that's where they're seeing it yeah that's
• 1:39:41
  it's it's a it's a closed community for us so it's that's
• 1:39:43
  what they're seeing I I like it where can someone someone's
• 1:39:47
  hearing this and they like. Wait I want to be there.
• 1:39:50
  What website or what? What do we just Google the the
• 1:39:53
  registrations on Texas mile split?
• 1:39:56
  And then if you want to follow us on Jump Smart Texas on
• 1:39:59
  everything, I can send you all the registration information or
• 1:40:03
  I'll be, I'm sure I'll be posting a lot of stuff as we get
• 1:40:05
  closer to this meet and the camps and all that.
• 1:40:07
  So. Yeah, I love that.
• 1:40:09
  That's awesome, man. Kenny, thank you so much, man,
• 1:40:12
  You know. One of the most valuable things
• 1:40:14
  you give me is time. And, you know, I mentioned, you
• 1:40:16
  know, being down there. I was down there for another
• 1:40:18
  project, but just to stop by just to hang out, man, it it.
• 1:40:22
  I don't. I must have just gotten lucky.
• 1:40:23
  I must have been a good boy because it was also John
• 1:40:26
  Drummond's birthday, which that was a lot of fun just to, yeah,
• 1:40:29
  sing him happy birthday and reminisce about, you know, me
• 1:40:31
  and him that way back in 2000. And we look the exact same today
• 1:40:36
  as we did. Exact same, Mike.
• 1:40:38
  Exact same but. Yeah, but it was just a lot of
• 1:40:42
  fun. It was cool.
• 1:40:43
  To see the kids and the, and really the, the way that you
• 1:40:46
  operate with the kids, like like a very, I guess maybe
• 1:40:50
  collaborative is the best word. Like there was a lot of mutual
• 1:40:52
  respect and, and working hard and still having fun.
• 1:40:55
  And it just, it was a lot of fun to see you kind of in your
• 1:40:57
  natural habitat. You know, I, I'd seen you at
• 1:40:59
  Nike indoor nationals that one year and that's different.
• 1:41:01
  That's much more, I don't say stressful, but you know, locked
• 1:41:05
  in where the training atmosphere was a little bit more open.
• 1:41:07
  It was just it was a lot of fun. And I'm really grateful you
• 1:41:10
  allow me to come in and stick my nose in there and, and reminisce
• 1:41:13
  a little bit about my old coaching days and, and just to
• 1:41:15
  see you in action, man, it's a lot of fun.
• 1:41:17
  No problem, man, those little kids are stressing me out.
• 1:41:19
  But it was. Fun have you in there man?
• 1:41:22
  It's cool. I love it Well, Kenny, thank you
• 1:41:24
  again so much for being here man.
• 1:41:26
  I really. Just am grateful for your your
• 1:41:28
  journey, man. It's really unique.
• 1:41:30
  I really do like it. And I think it's culminated in
• 1:41:32
  what you're doing now. You're really pioneering
• 1:41:34
  something here. Like I said, this is not a this
• 1:41:36
  is not a playbook that's out there.
• 1:41:38
  More people are doing it. And I think, you know, part of
• 1:41:41
  that is seeing sometimes we just have to see it to believe it's
• 1:41:43
  like, wait a minute, this dude in Texas is doing this.
• 1:41:45
  Well, I can do this in Chicago or Seattle, etcetera.
• 1:41:49
  And that's going to help the jumping community and therefore
• 1:41:51
  the track and field community as a whole.
• 1:41:53
  And that's, that's called legacy, my friend.
• 1:41:55
  And so I'm just really grateful for you being involved in our
• 1:41:58
  sport and staying in our sport and not going to soccer.
• 1:42:00
  That's I'm really grateful for that.
• 1:42:03
  Mike. I appreciate you having me, man
• 1:42:04
  Appreciate it. Absolutely.
• 1:42:06
  Appreciate you guys being here and listening, just a lot of fun
• 1:42:08
  if you are. Hearing this for the first time
• 1:42:10
  and didn't know about this showcase.
• 1:42:12
  Go use Google. That's I don't even know why I
• 1:42:14
  asked for websites anymore. Just Google North Texas jump
• 1:42:16
  showcase. Yeah Google it.
• 1:42:19
  I might be out. There I'll by the time you're.
• 1:42:21
  Listening to this, I'll know if I'm going to be out there and if
• 1:42:23
  I am, you'll see it on my social because I'll start amping it up
• 1:42:26
  as well. It's a hard choice.
• 1:42:28
  Be around a bunch of long jump trouble jumpers or be around a
• 1:42:30
  bunch of people playing bags. Let me tell you where I would
• 1:42:32
  like to be. I'd like to be in Texas, but
• 1:42:34
  we'll see. You know, your boy gets a lot of
• 1:42:36
  demands on him sometimes the hard jobs, you know, MCN and
• 1:42:40
  stuff. So, so looking forward to that.
• 1:42:42
  I'll let you guys know if I'll be there otherwise.
• 1:42:43
  Anyway, I'll still be publicizing it for you.
• 1:42:46
  You know that Kenny. So that's what's good for the
• 1:42:48
  kids and the coaches. So thanks again for being here
• 1:42:49
  guys. I really do appreciate you
• 1:42:51
  enjoying us. Next week we'll do it all over
• 1:42:52
  again and have some more fun. See you guys if it goes to
• 1:42:57
  appreciate the coach. The ones that pouring people
• 1:42:59
  most. Every season needs a voice of
• 1:43:01
  reason speaking the growth you got to prep before you carry the
• 1:43:04
  load ice coffee to the soul. For those of us who stay on the
• 1:43:07
  go proper handoff to stay in the zone which you packing for the
• 1:43:10
  road. There's more than one way to go
• 1:43:13
  taking notes that's paying. You're told it ain't practicing
• 1:43:15
  your purpose. Saint Clair.
• 1:43:16
  It can't happen until you listen.
• 1:43:18
  We're both is you can't mentor without a mentor of experience.
• 1:43:22
  You can reinvent those years. Every plan's got to stand and
• 1:43:25
  deliver to the price sacrifice. Can you give up you.
• 1:43:28
  It's a choice and a fight, not a win or lose.
• 1:43:31
  It's not a ploy boy device. Y'all can make more moves.
• 1:43:33
  It's not about how to, it's all about why you don't know till
• 1:43:37
  you know who you are inside 6,000,000 Waste of time, choose
• 1:43:40
  none. So y'all course finish line, the
• 1:43:42
  work ain't done so we learn from the experts but y'all got to put
• 1:43:45
  in the leg work, kill athletics, use the network.
• 1:43:48
  It's all about connections put together for the profession to
• 1:43:51
  where every track coach could be blessing.