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- 0:11Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Sidebar, presented by True Crime News,
- 0:14Speaker 1: taking you inside the courtrooms of high profile and notorious
- 0:17Speaker 1: cases from across the country. I'm your host, Joshua Ritter.
- 0:20Speaker 1: I'm a criminal defense layer based in Los Angeles and
- 0:22Speaker 1: previously an LA County prosecutor for over a decade. We're
- 0:27Speaker 1: doing something a little different this week. In this week's episode,
- 0:30Speaker 1: we're going to be taking a look back at some
- 0:32Speaker 1: of the biggest cases from the year, including salacious, headline
- 0:36Speaker 1: grabbing trials, plea deals that you never saw coming, and
- 0:40Speaker 1: long awaited courtroom conclusions that spent years in the making.
- 0:45Speaker 1: You can see I'm not exactly in my same studio setup,
- 0:50Speaker 1: but I did manage to get all dressed up for
- 0:52Speaker 1: this special occasion. So let's go ahead and jump right
- 0:55Speaker 1: in and take a look back at the year that
- 0:58Speaker 1: was twenty twenty five. First out of Manhattan, New York,
- 1:02Speaker 1: no case captured the cultural zeitgeist quite like the prosecution
- 1:06Speaker 1: of Sean Diddy Combs, which dominated conversations from true crime
- 1:10Speaker 1: officionados and pop culture fans alike from the time FBID
- 1:14Speaker 1: agents rated the homes of the bad boy entertainment CEO.
- 1:18Speaker 1: Prosecutors made it clear they were looking to take the
- 1:20Speaker 1: hip hop billionaire down in a very public way. However,
- 1:25Speaker 1: despite a high profile trial, disturbing allegations, harrowing testimony, and
- 1:30Speaker 1: some meme worthy evidence, Combs managed an acquittal on the
- 1:33Speaker 1: most serious counts, despite speculation and likely some irreparable damage
- 1:38Speaker 1: to his public image. Combs received a sentence of just
- 1:42Speaker 1: over four years on two counts of transportation for the
- 1:45Speaker 1: purpose of prostitution, avoiding convictions for racketeering and sex trafficking.
- 1:50Speaker 1: Though allegations against Combs may carry out in civil court
- 1:54Speaker 1: for years to come, this closed the criminal proceedings for
- 1:58Speaker 1: the hip hop magnate for the time being. Well. A
- 2:02Speaker 1: couple of things to go through about this one. First
- 2:04Speaker 1: of all, if you're the prosecution, how do you view
- 2:07Speaker 1: this case? How do you feel about the results? I
- 2:10Speaker 1: gotta say, having been a prosecutor, I don't care that
- 2:14Speaker 1: this ended up with a conviction in the wind call
- 2:18Speaker 1: them at the end of the day, technically, at the
- 2:20Speaker 1: end of the day. Beyond technically, I think they view
- 2:25Speaker 1: this as a fail. This was an incredibly high profile
- 2:28Speaker 1: case and I think it's important too to understand the
- 2:30Speaker 1: psyche a little bit as it were of the US
- 2:33Speaker 1: Attorney's Office. They don't put their neck out there very often.
- 2:36Speaker 1: They're not like state prosecutors who might try something a
- 2:40Speaker 1: little more outside the box, a little more, they might
- 2:45Speaker 1: be a little more risk adverse as you might say.
- 2:49Speaker 1: The US Attorney's Office usually doesn't bring a case, bring
- 2:55Speaker 1: charges unless they feel that they have everything buttoned down.
- 2:58Speaker 1: And for them to make bring the kind of charges
- 3:01Speaker 1: that they did in this case and not get convictions
- 3:04Speaker 1: on the more serious charges, I think is nothing but
- 3:06Speaker 1: an absolute fail for them, especially with the entire nation watching.
- 3:11Speaker 1: And why is that? While I think end of the day,
- 3:13Speaker 1: they made the big mistake of really overcharging this they
- 3:16Speaker 1: get too aggressive. It's not like the US Attorney's Office.
- 3:19Speaker 1: They just simply overcharged and overextended themselves. Racketeering racketeering when
- 3:25Speaker 1: you're dealing with one man, one man who yes, sounds
- 3:29Speaker 1: like he was running a muck, sounds like he was
- 3:33Speaker 1: acting with impunity for decades, sounds like he was absolutely
- 3:38Speaker 1: committing crimes. But is that racketeering? When we think of racketeering,
- 3:43Speaker 1: we think of the mob mafioso's, We think of an
- 3:49Speaker 1: entire criminal enterprise, all operating to do something gambling or
- 3:54Speaker 1: running guns. We don't think about one man just kind
- 3:58Speaker 1: of interested in his own sexual exploits. And I think
- 4:02Speaker 1: that's where they may have lost track of themselves in
- 4:06Speaker 1: this case. If you're the defense, I think you look
- 4:08Speaker 1: at this the exact opposite way. As a win. I
- 4:12Speaker 1: realized that Shawn Combs is in prison as we speak,
- 4:14Speaker 1: and he's going to be there for a couple of
- 4:16Speaker 1: years more, but he was looking at life. I remember
- 4:19Speaker 1: when this case first broke and when he was denied bail,
- 4:22Speaker 1: I thought that's the last breath of fresh air Shawncombs
- 4:25Speaker 1: will overtake. And boy was I wrong. And I think
- 4:30Speaker 1: more than anything, the way that the defense was able
- 4:32Speaker 1: to do this was one they pointed out, Yes, this
- 4:35Speaker 1: probably was overcharging, No, this doesn't look like traditional racketeering.
- 4:39Speaker 1: But then they went back to some of the allegations themselves,
- 4:42Speaker 1: and I think they were able to effectively point out
- 4:47Speaker 1: how as despicable as this conduct may have been, it
- 4:51Speaker 1: was borderline consensual. And when we talk about consensual, it's
- 4:56Speaker 1: important to understand what we mean from a criminal and
- 4:59Speaker 1: legal perspective. It's what would an outside observer believe was
- 5:05Speaker 1: taking place. You have people who, according to even some
- 5:09Speaker 1: video evidence presented, look like they were consentually participating in
- 5:12Speaker 1: some of this activity. You have people sending text messages
- 5:15Speaker 1: afterwards talking about how they enjoyed participating in the activity,
- 5:20Speaker 1: even perhaps setting up future activity, even though what may
- 5:24Speaker 1: have been taking place in the minds of these individuals
- 5:27Speaker 1: was certainly not consensual. And I believe they are being
- 5:30Speaker 1: honest from an outside observer objectively looking in, I think
- 5:34Speaker 1: it was just hard for jurors to wrap their heads around. Lastly,
- 5:38Speaker 1: on this, could Diddy mount some sort of comeback? Well,
- 5:44Speaker 1: all I have to say is, don't be surprised. I mean, literally,
- 5:47Speaker 1: what else does he have? All you could say, he's
- 5:49Speaker 1: got millions of bucks. Shut up, sit at home, stay
- 5:52Speaker 1: at home. We don't want to ever hear from you again.
- 5:54Speaker 1: And I agree, But this man has made his entire career,
- 5:58Speaker 1: his entire life, his entire day identity by being in
- 6:01Speaker 1: the spotlight. And I don't think, unfortunately, it's going to
- 6:04Speaker 1: end here. Let's move on though, to Moscow, Idaho. Perhaps
- 6:08Speaker 1: no case in recent history struck more fear in the
- 6:10Speaker 1: hearts of parents than the brutal murders of foreign University
- 6:14Speaker 1: of Idaho students. The case immediately made national hadgate lines,
- 6:18Speaker 1: fueling theories of online sleuths and leaving many wondering if
- 6:21Speaker 1: the local police were in above their heads. Finally, a
- 6:24Speaker 1: coordinated investigation brought a collective sigh of relief when then
- 6:27Speaker 1: authorities put a face to the monster that had stalked
- 6:30Speaker 1: and stabbed victims Madison Mogen, Kaylee Gonzalvez, Zana Kernodo, and
- 6:35Speaker 1: Ethan Shapin. The arrest of Brian Coberger ignited a legal
- 6:39Speaker 1: battle that would carry on for months, as both sides
- 6:41Speaker 1: squabbled over the admissibility of evidence, and prosecutors boldly announced
- 6:45Speaker 1: that they would seek the death penalty against the killer. Surprisingly,
- 6:49Speaker 1: as the case was headed for a public trial with
- 6:51Speaker 1: the eyes of the nation looking on, Coberger plagged guilty
- 6:55Speaker 1: on all counts, confessing to taking the lives of the
- 6:57Speaker 1: four victims while sparing his own from the ultimate punishment.
- 7:01Speaker 1: Though the killer will spend the rest of his life
- 7:03Speaker 1: behind bars, many are left questioning the killer's motives, and
- 7:07Speaker 1: the lives of multiple families are forever changed. How to
- 7:13Speaker 1: end up like this? How could this case possibly have
- 7:17Speaker 1: ended up in a plea deal? I am still a
- 7:19Speaker 1: little shocked. Even when I understand it, I'm a little shocked.
- 7:24Speaker 1: You got to think, if any case is deserving of
- 7:27Speaker 1: the death penalty, this would be it. Putting aside how
- 7:30Speaker 1: you may feel about the death penalty if it's on
- 7:32Speaker 1: the books, it's reserved for a case exactly like this.
- 7:35Speaker 1: But I think you have to think from my prosecutor's
- 7:38Speaker 1: perspective too, this is something that is very real, and
- 7:41Speaker 1: I'm basing this off of my own experience. No trial
- 7:47Speaker 1: is given. I don't care how much evidence you have.
- 7:50Speaker 1: Nothing is guaranteed. And when you're looking at a case
- 7:53Speaker 1: where you can get guaranteed convictions, putting this man away
- 8:00Speaker 1: for life without the possibility of parole, never have to
- 8:04Speaker 1: worry about him again. And you've got the victims, I
- 8:08Speaker 1: realized somewhere against it, but some were also in favor
- 8:11Speaker 1: of it, the victims' families. As difficult as it made
- 8:15Speaker 1: to be, you have to kind of put your ego
- 8:16Speaker 1: aside and say this might be the right thing to do.
- 8:19Speaker 1: And i end of the day, it probably was the
- 8:22Speaker 1: right thing to do. But still in doing that, I
- 8:26Speaker 1: think they made some missteps. For instance, many people have asked, well,
- 8:29Speaker 1: why don't you make him say something, say more, tell
- 8:33Speaker 1: why he did it, tell how he did it, tell
- 8:36Speaker 1: us what his motives were? Where is the knife? After
- 8:39Speaker 1: all of this, and yet we're left with nothing? Again,
- 8:43Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think they should have asked
- 8:46Speaker 1: for more, But end of the day, I don't think
- 8:51Speaker 1: the prosecution thought that's going to really be helpful to
- 8:54Speaker 1: their end at all. Is what do we care what
- 8:57Speaker 1: Brian Coberger has to say? Do we really want to
- 9:00Speaker 1: give him a platform to say why he did what
- 9:02Speaker 1: he did? Will that make us feel any better? Will
- 9:04Speaker 1: it bring any more comfort to the victims' families than
- 9:07Speaker 1: this case? Probably not. Yeah, I think I'm with you.
- 9:12Speaker 1: I'd like to know where he put the knife. I
- 9:14Speaker 1: like to know why he picked them. I'd like to
- 9:16Speaker 1: know why he did it. But is it worth giving
- 9:18Speaker 1: him that platform? Some of you may still be saying yes.
- 9:22Speaker 1: I can't say I entirely disagree with you, but this
- 9:24Speaker 1: is where we are finally on this. A lot of
- 9:27Speaker 1: people have been asking, and they're very nervous. Is it
- 9:30Speaker 1: true that he really does not have the right to
- 9:33Speaker 1: appeal here? And let me just say this, Yes, you
- 9:36Speaker 1: can rest easy. He is not going to be appealing
- 9:39Speaker 1: this case and getting out. Now, does that mean he
- 9:43Speaker 1: won't try, Well, that's a very different question. He's entered
- 9:47Speaker 1: into a plea deal that says that he waves his
- 9:50Speaker 1: right to appeal. Now, that doesn't mean he might not try.
- 9:53Speaker 1: And if he does, the prosecution will just enter the
- 9:56Speaker 1: plea deal in front of an appellate court and say, look,
- 9:59Speaker 1: he waved his rights to make any of these arguments,
- 10:01Speaker 1: and that will likely be accepted. The only thing, the
- 10:04Speaker 1: only Cavnat caveat, is if he could somehow prove that
- 10:08Speaker 1: he didn't understand what was going on and try to
- 10:11Speaker 1: withdraw his plea all together, that he wasn't properly advised
- 10:15Speaker 1: by his attorneys, and try to withdraw this whole thing together.
- 10:19Speaker 1: But the chances of that happening are probably even slimmer
- 10:22Speaker 1: that the chances of him ever appealing. That's why the
- 10:25Speaker 1: judge took the plea that he did. That's why it
- 10:28Speaker 1: was so drawn out and so specific, was to prevent
- 10:30Speaker 1: against any of those problems. You ask a lawyer a question,
- 10:34Speaker 1: you're going to get a very technical answer. The better
- 10:36Speaker 1: answer here is is it true he cannot appeal? Answer? Yes,
- 10:41Speaker 1: that's true, all right, Let's move on to Tallahassee, Florida,
- 10:43Speaker 1: where a murderer conviction over ten years in the making
- 10:48Speaker 1: left a family matriarch behind bars and the murder for
- 10:51Speaker 1: higher killing of her son in law, Donna Adelson was
- 10:54Speaker 1: the last charge defend it in the sprawling conspiracy that
- 10:58Speaker 1: left law professor and father of two Dan Markell fatally shot.
- 11:03Speaker 1: At the end of the man's death, he was locked
- 11:05Speaker 1: in a contentious custody dispute with his ex wife, Adolson's
- 11:09Speaker 1: daughter Wendy. When a judge prevented Wendy from moving the
- 11:12Speaker 1: couple's children to South Florida to be closer to the
- 11:15Speaker 1: Adolson's prosecutors say Donna Adelson pulled the strings to carry
- 11:19Speaker 1: out the deadly plot. The controlling mother was a looming
- 11:22Speaker 1: figure in the children's lives, and Adolson was painted as
- 11:26Speaker 1: vengeful and manipulative by prosecutors. In the end, jurors convicted
- 11:30Speaker 1: that's seventy five year old in Markel's killing, and she
- 11:34Speaker 1: was subsequently sentenced to life in prison without any possibility
- 11:38Speaker 1: of parole. I got to say my applause and congratulations
- 11:44Speaker 1: go out to the prosecutors in this case. It was
- 11:48Speaker 1: remarkable what they were able to do the prosecution, that
- 11:51Speaker 1: they were able to play off over a decade's worth
- 11:54Speaker 1: of time, the amount of work. This is an entire
- 11:57Speaker 1: career for these prosecutors. What they were able to do,
- 12:00Speaker 1: not just in this case, but in all the ones proceedings,
- 12:02Speaker 1: from the shooters, to the middle woman mcban Wah, to
- 12:06Speaker 1: the son, Charlie Aedelson, and finally to the mother. Congratulations
- 12:11Speaker 1: to them and this case, Donna's case was probably the
- 12:15Speaker 1: most difficult test of all because it was one degree
- 12:18Speaker 1: more removed from the murder itself. You had to go through,
- 12:21Speaker 1: like I said, the trigger men, the in between person,
- 12:26Speaker 1: this son who orchestrated in everything, and then finally to
- 12:30Speaker 1: the mother who was the mastermind of it all. Again,
- 12:32Speaker 1: congrats to the prosecution. Many have asked, though, why did
- 12:36Speaker 1: they wait, Why did they do it this way? Why
- 12:38Speaker 1: did they allow things to play out so long, and
- 12:40Speaker 1: why did they wait so long to arrest Donna? Well,
- 12:43Speaker 1: I've never seen it really done that way before. I
- 12:45Speaker 1: got to admit it's something even new to me. But
- 12:48Speaker 1: perhaps it gave them the ability to focus on each
- 12:51Speaker 1: individual case and each individual defendant rather than trying to
- 12:55Speaker 1: juggle them all at once. Maybe it was just simply
- 12:59Speaker 1: patience realizing that they've got an eye on these people
- 13:02Speaker 1: and they're not going anywhere. But also it provided and
- 13:06Speaker 1: this might be some three D chests here, some more evidence.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Because these people were out, in particular Donia Aedelson, they
- 13:13Speaker 1: were able to observe her behavior, they were able to
- 13:15Speaker 1: listen to her phone calls, and some of that was
- 13:18Speaker 1: her undoing. What now, though, I know that's what everybody
- 13:22Speaker 1: wants to know, is this really the end? What about Wendy? Well,
- 13:28Speaker 1: if anything this prosecution has proven us as spectators is
- 13:32Speaker 1: that we don't know what's coming next. I expect an arrest.
- 13:38Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and say that. I feel like
- 13:41Speaker 1: everything we have learned over through all of these trials
- 13:44Speaker 1: has shown us that Wendy was likely involved. Now, this
- 13:48Speaker 1: prosecution team has demonstrated that they're not shy and that
- 13:52Speaker 1: they're not timid. So if they haven't brought charges, there's
- 13:55Speaker 1: probably a very good reason for it. But I expect
- 13:58Speaker 1: at least that we probably will be hearing something very soon.
- 14:02Speaker 1: On to Debta Massachusetts and one of the more surprising
- 14:05Speaker 1: true crime spectacles to captivate the public. A Massachusetts woman
- 14:09Speaker 1: was acquitted in the death of her police officer boyfriend
- 14:12Speaker 1: after a camera filled retrial. Karen Reid faces a all
- 14:16Speaker 1: new jury after last year's mistrial and ultimately avoided charges
- 14:20Speaker 1: of vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of a collision
- 14:23Speaker 1: causing death in the demise of John O'Keefe. While the
- 14:26Speaker 1: jury convicted Reid on account of operating under the influence,
- 14:29Speaker 1: the woman avoided any jail time in favor of a
- 14:32Speaker 1: year probation. The case caused quite a stir, with many
- 14:35Speaker 1: suggesting a vast conspiracy, highlighting a distrust of law enforcement
- 14:40Speaker 1: that coincided with Reid's prosecution. Reid became a folk hero
- 14:43Speaker 1: of sorts, with a crowd of supporters following her every
- 14:46Speaker 1: court appearance as Reid continued to make the media rounds
- 14:49Speaker 1: and even released a documentary about her case. Though Reid
- 14:53Speaker 1: has avoided criminal convictions, she faces a wrongful death lawsuit
- 14:57Speaker 1: filed by O'Keefe's family, and the woman has responded with
- 14:59Speaker 1: her her own federal lawsuit against key witnesses and police,
- 15:03Speaker 1: and the alleged cover up, which may keep read in
- 15:06Speaker 1: the headlines for some time to come. How did this
- 15:12Speaker 1: case unravel? For the prosecution. I mean, you think about
- 15:16Speaker 1: it in its most basic terms. You've got a man
- 15:19Speaker 1: found in the snow. He's surrounded by pitts pieces of
- 15:24Speaker 1: tail light. Those tail light pieces happened to match the
- 15:29Speaker 1: tail light of a woman who was with him earlier
- 15:31Speaker 1: that night. Just on those basic facts alone, you kind
- 15:34Speaker 1: of go, well, it looks like her card hit him. Well,
- 15:39Speaker 1: it wasn't one thing alone. It was many things, many
- 15:43Speaker 1: I think that you can put at the top of
- 15:46Speaker 1: the pile being investigatory missteps, not to mention one investigator
- 15:50Speaker 1: in particular, who left a lot of really troubling text
- 15:55Speaker 1: messages on his phone. Also, I think this case suffered
- 15:59Speaker 1: from over charging. You're trying to charge someone for murder
- 16:02Speaker 1: where it maybe at best looks very accidental, and that
- 16:06Speaker 1: might have given trouble to jurors, just considering that when
- 16:10Speaker 1: the prosecution is asking and arguing towards that, and also
- 16:15Speaker 1: tische' is the prosecution never underestimate the defense. And these
- 16:19Speaker 1: defense attorneys were incredibly skilled, led by Alan Jackson, they
- 16:22Speaker 1: did a masterful job of dismantling the prosecution case. Why
- 16:27Speaker 1: did this case become such a phenomenon though? Why are
- 16:30Speaker 1: we talking about it. These types of things happen all
- 16:33Speaker 1: the time that people get run over by automobiles. This
- 16:36Speaker 1: didn't involve celebrities, that didn't involve sports stars, just two
- 16:41Speaker 1: people from Massachusetts. I realized that it involved a police officer,
- 16:44Speaker 1: which sometimes gets some news. I don't know if I know, really,
- 16:49Speaker 1: I think there was the intrigue of the case itself
- 16:52Speaker 1: that it did have a lot for people to debate about.
- 16:56Speaker 1: I think it covered topics of mistrust and police, which
- 17:00Speaker 1: is something that people are always interested in. It also
- 17:03Speaker 1: involved these celebrity attorneys, a battle royale in court. Sadly,
- 17:09Speaker 1: not so much sadly, but interestingly enough. I think end
- 17:12Speaker 1: of the day, it had to do with just having
- 17:15Speaker 1: really good access to court, good cameras in court that
- 17:19Speaker 1: you were able to watch this play out as an
- 17:21Speaker 1: absolute drama, and I think that's why people really became
- 17:24Speaker 1: interested in this. Side note speaking about Alan Jackson, has
- 17:29Speaker 1: anyone had a bigger year than Alan Jackson? Between Harvey
- 17:32Speaker 1: Weinstein and Karen Reid and now this new case with
- 17:35Speaker 1: Nick Reiner, he has stayed very busy. I'm wondering, though,
- 17:40Speaker 1: can he keep this streak going into the new year?
- 17:43Speaker 1: With this Nick Reiner case that he was just retained for.
- 17:47Speaker 1: It's a very very different case than Karen Reid. We
- 17:50Speaker 1: shall see, but we're gonna have to leave it there
- 17:52Speaker 1: for now to our final case out of Aurora, Colorado.
- 17:55Speaker 1: And let me just say this, it was hard for
- 17:57Speaker 1: us to pick five cases. Now, as I'm getting towards
- 18:01Speaker 1: the end of the list, many of you are going
- 18:02Speaker 1: to be saying, well, what about this case and what
- 18:04Speaker 1: about that case? And there was a lot to cover
- 18:07Speaker 1: this year. We tried to do our best to just
- 18:09Speaker 1: find those ones that stood out to us and gave
- 18:11Speaker 1: us a good kind of feel for how the year
- 18:13Speaker 1: played out. A dentist from Colorado became an unlikely villain
- 18:18Speaker 1: after he was convicted of fatally poisoning his wife to
- 18:21Speaker 1: start a new life with his mistress. James Craig received
- 18:25Speaker 1: a life sentence for the death of Angela Craig, the
- 18:28Speaker 1: mother of his six children. While the couple seemed to
- 18:31Speaker 1: have it all from the outside, beneath the surface, James
- 18:34Speaker 1: was accumulating crippling debt, a string of infidelities, and an
- 18:38Speaker 1: alleged pornography addiction. When he added another mistress to the equation.
- 18:43Speaker 1: The father and husband reportedly reached a breaking point, seeking
- 18:47Speaker 1: for various ways to take his wife out of the picture. Unfortunately,
- 18:51Speaker 1: for Craig and his defense, his extensive research on the
- 18:55Speaker 1: top of a Killing Angela, along with the delivery of
- 18:58Speaker 1: Sinai to his dental practice, left with little sympathy for
- 19:01Speaker 1: the convicted killer. Craig's case demonstrates that crimes can happen anywhere,
- 19:06Speaker 1: even among the people le suspected to take such drastic action,
- 19:10Speaker 1: forever altering the lives of all involved. Talk about a
- 19:14Speaker 1: seemingly happy family from the outside. You've got a married couple,
- 19:19Speaker 1: been together forever. They've got all these beautiful kids, six
- 19:22Speaker 1: of them. They're heavily involved in their church. He appears
- 19:25Speaker 1: to have this really successful dentist practice. But underlying all
- 19:29Speaker 1: of this is this absolute nightmare headed up by this
- 19:35Speaker 1: sociopath who is all the time planning his escape from
- 19:38Speaker 1: this idyllic life. I think that's why this case was
- 19:43Speaker 1: so capturing to us, why it stood out. It really
- 19:46Speaker 1: does present that kind of could these be the people
- 19:49Speaker 1: next door sort of a scenario that does seem to
- 19:52Speaker 1: be so intriguing to us, and how someone who seems
- 19:55Speaker 1: to have it all can be so sinister and so
- 19:58Speaker 1: evil just underneath surface. The other thing about this case
- 20:02Speaker 1: is it really demonstrated the power of digital forensics. It's
- 20:07Speaker 1: to the point, folks, where you almost can't get away
- 20:09Speaker 1: with anything anymore. What would the ability to track emails
- 20:14Speaker 1: and text messages and geolocation and Google searches. It seems
- 20:19Speaker 1: like a police's job is becoming easier and easier to
- 20:24Speaker 1: investigate what people are up to. And it gives us
- 20:26Speaker 1: a lot of recall through the recent case of Brian Walsh,
- 20:31Speaker 1: where the Google searches in that case seem to be
- 20:34Speaker 1: his undoing. But I really feel, even with this strength
- 20:42Speaker 1: of all of that evidence, in my view, and I
- 20:46Speaker 1: don't know if the jurors felt that same way, but
- 20:48Speaker 1: in my view, his actions after the murder were perhaps
- 20:53Speaker 1: even more devastating. His actions after his arrest, even the
- 20:58Speaker 1: idea that he was trying to get others to who
- 21:00Speaker 1: re lie on his behalf and commit perjury, that he
- 21:03Speaker 1: was trying to get others to plant evidence, that he
- 21:06Speaker 1: was trying to get another person, another fellow inmate, to
- 21:09Speaker 1: go about orchestrating the killing of the detective on his case.
- 21:14Speaker 1: When yours hear about this it goes beyond consciousness of guilt.
- 21:19Speaker 1: They're starting to think we've got a full fledged psychopath
- 21:22Speaker 1: on our hands here, and there's no way we're letting
- 21:25Speaker 1: him walk out the door free man. In any case,
- 21:29Speaker 1: that was just a look at some of the highlights
- 21:32Speaker 1: for the year that was twenty twenty five. That is
- 21:36Speaker 1: our show for this week. We'd like to thank all
- 21:38Speaker 1: of our listeners and viewers for another great year, and
- 21:41Speaker 1: we want to wish you all a very happy and
- 21:43Speaker 1: save holiday season. I am your host, Joshua Ritter. You
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