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Talks to Peter Cuminskey about his choice of The Romans 4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary
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  podcast a conspiracy is afoot. And Inferno is about to be set
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  and me, and mr. Peter along for the ride, Peter,
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  how you doing? Yeah, good.
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  Yeah. I'm just eager to see the
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  finale, the grand finale and picking ask you a question, but
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  it's not actually about you. It's about your offer off.
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  Yes, Matthew. That's right.
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  Matthew. If you listen to this, if you
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  are listen to this, skip the next five minutes.
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  I've got everything inflammatory.
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  It's all right now, joking. He's non-fan, isn't he?
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  No, it's just not as it's not like you see, I think, So we are
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  also, we always talk about the fact that I, he has to Doctor
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  Who I Am to James Bond in the bike.
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  I've seen them all, I like them, but I'm not like a die-hard.
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  And I think he soon the majority of classic who I think.
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  I'm right. In saying the still when the
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  collection sets the clutch that they come out and blue area is
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  the odd one, that is, all I've done it.
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  I've actually seen this one but I think it sort of lost count of
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  what you see and what hasn't, And for example, I stuck the
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  Romans on, when I was around his yesterday or the other room, the
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  first episode, the runs anywhere and it was all, yeah, we did
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  watch this, watch this like, six months ago.
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  So, alright. Okay.
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  And that's because we won the way to meet Maureen, O'Brien on
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  the Mega Bus and I'm sure that we watch the rest of you on the
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  way down. And some, you have definitely
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  seen the rescue before probably on DVD.
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  Well, definitely do. But the quillion revolution,
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  which I won't give away in this podcast in case any more 60s
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  boiler here in verse 31 the the quillion revolution to
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  completely floored him and I'm just like who else could it be?
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  Yeah but who done it with one possible suspect?
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  Yeah I guess it could be one of the died or onions die.
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  Don't die dorian's but yeah I think it's very interesting that
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  it's a bit like with my parents mind.
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  I don't know particular that. He will not remember that
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  certain people have been a new who and he's seen every new who,
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  but I think it's that sort of the differentiation between a
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  casual fun and a fun firm and did he lie this that he enjoyed.
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  I remember I remember him like in it.
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  Yeah, I think that we We have the subtitles are other
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  Productions hotels that on yesterday and I think we're
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  mostly talking off topic with it on in the background but I think
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  I remember him speaking quite highly of it.
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  I think that because he was at the show that is more familiar
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  with. I think he's very familiar with
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  sort of McCauley and the new Siri I think he's much more
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  clued up still on the mats with a theory than I am.
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  So as it's astonishing, you know, we've your part of my
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  ex-husband I was with Stay in years, okay, never a fan of dogs
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  who are tall but watched a lot of it just you know 16 years.
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  So long time and the amount of knowledge that you absorb, I
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  remember it's like 10 years ago. You can name pretty much every
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  companion in order to what they take kid on my job or your the
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  same with James Bond them. Well, yeah, I mean I could
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  probably of named every film but I think I think it's just that
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  repetition. The repetition of how much
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  you're exposed to her and it's like, isn't a with, I watched
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  her queries for for the first time in about a year ago and of
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  course, is that yes. The original yearning.
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  Of course, there's Vince the main character.
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  He knows that the other guy isn't for him because he can't
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  recite all the Doctor Who's and then he does.
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  And then yeah and then the second one is called the dickish
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  character played by novel Sakura.
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  Groans. Yes.
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  So he can recite them all in the ball to pull my gun doesn't
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  count. Yeah.
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  What was this time with thing? Yeah.
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  But yeah, it's definitely a, just how much you can pick up
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  and how much you're actually too.
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  And it was a real element B. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm in
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  the most deadliest situation of all I am in a relationship with
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  another Doctor Who fan. Mmm, I mean, is any
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  conversation? Could be the end of this thing?
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  Are you as enthused about, do you have similar?
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  Who tastes? Yes and no, we both really love
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  audio who. So that's really nice because
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  it's not just on the talk about that.
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  But when it comes to TV who he is, he likes sort of Terry
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  Nation, sort of unpretentious adventurous style done and
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  that's not to insult because I've got so I like things are a
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  bit more layer or Nuance, but that's not sure.
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  He does like those things as well.
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  It's time for all of us learned hates the G Williams era and I
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  really love it and it's like the him his podcast has just reached
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  that era right? Because I'm claiming a victory
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  every time Sarah to loves a gray and William story.
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  Not when I think the Korean really like my life is the key
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  that I'm here but I'm not so keen on the series a the side.
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  I love 17. But if it fails I've been here
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  almost she loved invisible enemy.
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  Can you believe that? So thank you for that.
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  Welcome going to count as in. Let's do it over here.
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  Three, two one infernal. Yes, which is another example of
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  confused, like episode titles and story titles.
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  Duplicating, is there more? Oh well, now isn't it hot in the
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  hot and move this dimensions? In time dimensions of time.
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  Okay there's a there's also I'm sure one of the one of the
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  episodes of the Daleks one of the little ones.
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  Is it the rescue? I think there's a real hard
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  there isn't. Yeah you're right various Q is
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  episode 5 or 6 of the Dalek something and using Star Trek
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  start doing that. You know it off topic again is
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  new new kurtzman Trek. A started doing episode titles
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  of Love original series episode just to confuse you they do it.
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  Just don't know why people that are sweating.
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  This is the only thing this sort of thing.
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  You know, as a fan though isn't it the average person notice it
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  normally happened like this. There's other stories where you
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  assume something like, power of the doctor, you just assume it's
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  something they've done before from, because the casual fun,
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  it's just quite a generic, but in that instance, quite filling.
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  Yeah. You know what, right, the last
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  commentary I did before this was Vengeance on varis, right.
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  And I had to still win it, and he was absolutely.
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  Solutely getting off every time somebody was being tortured or
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  her, okay. And now I'm watching this with
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  me I'm starting to wonder if this is a finger of Doctor Who
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  villains. You know he's getting off on the
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  fact that these two are going at each other brutally as well.
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  Well, I suppose it's very we stopping a bit like Game of
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  Thrones just bloodthirstiness and you making a direct link
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  between the Romans of Doctor Who and Game of Thrones.
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  No I don't think I don't think it's possible to make a direct
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  link. This is that bit though in a
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  minute where we are the The Miss misdirection with what he's
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  doing with the sword. Oh you think he's going to stop
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  Barbara, don't you? Because she's yeah.
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  Wow, yeah that's quite that's why tens as well isn't it and
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  she screams as well. It's one of those, it's a little
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  bit like the do this with cliff and sometimes where I think the
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  mind of evil were The doctor looks at the doctor gets shot or
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  that all the doctor might be enjoy.
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  Get shot but it's actually the Brigadier shoot in the villain
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  who's holding the doctor and drink very much Peter but you
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  think you could arrive before the nick of time those you said
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  thank you very much for spoiling.
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  A cliffhanger resolution of the case.
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  That is one thing we talked about absorbing knowledge.
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  As Doctor Who fans these useless quotes that you can put into any
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  situation. Equation.
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  Yes, amount of times I've said that live forever as a deaf.
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  Was it your classic example of the inverse ratio between the
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  size of the mouth and the size of the bright light of use that
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  at work during I have you back up and you know what people go
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  oh what a point it's just been slapped doesn't even wobble now
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  and it's called a big finish. Yes, we can express such an
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  expressive first Yeah. And you know, I love the fact
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  that his Christianity. They wait till his last seen his
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  last moment and really sure. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, he says, goodbye much.
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  Because that was until that point you're like, well, why is
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  he being so yeah, obviously Bobby fancy there.
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  Yeah. Well that's what butter Barber
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  assumes, understandably. Did you see that perspective?
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  Shot Corridor. Then I was really works.
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  This is the times where they're sort of its like, the Daleks.
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  City, the corridor going off in the distance and it isn't
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  really. It isn't often very convincing.
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  You know what I love though? Is those painted scenery battle
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  off. So they do like the Aztecs with
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  the temple. Yeah, I know obviously, you know
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  exactly what it is. But I just I love the effort
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  that goes into it. Yeah and I feel like you could
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  only get away with it in black and white.
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  Well, do you remember time fly? When they go back to prehistoric
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  Earth and they try and do that - yeah.
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  And with that, the tempo in the background or something.
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  Yeah, another time that it isn't great is controversial.
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  I think caves of androzani. When the do the office with the
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  purpley blue sky and it's like a cityscape outside.
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  And you just like, with every time, Camera moves.
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  Yeah, what it just it feels very flat doesn't it?
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  Mmm and I think it's like it's like the corridor if the camera
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  moved ever so slightly to the right or to the left it wouldn't
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  have been convincing and but you know we're watching TV we know
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  we're watching something that's been constructed for our viewing
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  pleasure but I feel like the ambition that they had in the
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  60s to do, Aztec temples to do, like vortice and the moons and
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  all that in the background, I think it's really impressive.
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  They kind of know you're going to go along with it, you know.
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  Hmm. I suppose you much more at was
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  TVs and you are medium, you you more like it, take that leap of
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  faith and I guess a lot of TV, when you watch stuff from the
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  50s, is there a so much more stagy?
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  Where is this sort of that in-between stage player and
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  something to film a drama on film?
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  I saw it to you though. Hmm.
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  I prefer I think I prefer Installment says when they were
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  a little more heightened and a little less naturalistic I
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  thought everybody a lot of people just just act in the same
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  way now and then I get a bit bored with the acting, where is
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  it in the second, we've been watching, Oliver Twist the
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  Terrance dicks, produce Oliver, Twist from the sensor and the
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  performances are just all the little theatrical, mmm, that
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  their vivid and dramatic and Unforgettable.
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  Whereas, I think of that was played.
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  Now, it would like very down-to-earth.
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  I remember there was a couple of Christmases ago.
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  There was a Stephen Grimm in it was the guy who I think did this
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  is England lost. Possibly they like director or
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  writer and it was A Christmas Carol but gritty Christmas Carol
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  and it was Victoria and everything, but was just like
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  it's just too Bleak as an artist but they did have never watched
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  the DVD for it was all shot as if it was like a modern-day
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  conspiracy Thriller with all these outside hand, held camera
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  work and all of this. And I was so distracted with how
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  it was made. I'm just really focusing on
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  those current Carey Mulligan was in, it wasn't sure thing.
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  Yeah, the cast was incredible. I don't know, give me William
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  Hartnell on a wobbly. Weak.
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  Oh, this is the bit where he realizes.
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  He's supposed to murder Nero. What is it?
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  He says killdeer. Oh, I beg your pardon.
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  Honestly your heart up kick. It was this extraordinary?
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  It's so high. It's so high pitched.
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  It's usually what he said there. So I'm a would-be murderer.
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  A my beloved. There's definitely a shift in
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  the he's in full sitcom mode now.
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  Hmm. Oh and you want to see bloody
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  camp. This scene between him and Nero.
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  Oh Max dropping my friends. I like the the glasses, the
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  glasses that very rarely come out so strategically positioned
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  I mean it's not beyond the Realms of possibility, is it?
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  No, I love that. I love the so I feel like I just
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  think it would pull guys from the but I'm just I'm go silent
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  when I'm just so glad portal but don't you worry I can talk for
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  two of us, don't worry. I think what I really like about
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  Nero is even though he is like totally a fast cool character,
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  it's a little bit dangerous. So in a minute it might you need
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  You don't know what he's going to do, they like?
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  Okay, so I can ha I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you and put you in
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  the arena and the lines are going to eat you.
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  How dare you burn my plans and then he's like, brilliant, turn
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  on a sixpence. The historian on the documentary
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  said that it was more than likely an accident because
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  apparently there were fires all the time in Rome and strong
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  winds. So fires would spread rather a
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  deliberate act on Nero's part. But that's not perhaps as
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  dramatically satisfying, no There's a lot of flames going on
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  in our state. Yeah, it definitely Maureen
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  O'Brien, Jake. She's grabbing the the, the
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  curtain and she's flipping the curtain against the Flames.
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  Do you ever remember that scene in blue Peter where they had the
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  kids all around the fire in the studio and then it all got bit
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  out of hands. I think I've seen on a clip show
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  and everyone looks a bit palette because they killed their cute
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  trying to sing the carols. Like it's very on some Channel
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  5. When TV goes slightly wrong, but
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  I love those. Live out.
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  The scene was filmed a lot of them during lockdown with like
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  celebrities who are slightly above all this their homes and
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  you'll get like, I don't know, Judi Dench, or somebody probably
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  not Judi Dench on Channel 5, but like, just looking straight down
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  the camera over webcam and seeing what she thinks about
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  Morecambe and wise or something like that.
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  Look at this. You heard me.
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  I said, get your hands off me. It's a Hot Wheels charge in it,
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  no matter where he is. He but that I think that's in
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  stark contrast to trou and who when he comes along, he just
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  sort of bumbles his way through the stories clever as mad in the
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  story. But not treated, half as
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  seriously. Here we go, he's going to burn.
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  All of Rome. Yeah, it's a it's a big blooming
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  flame, isn't it? Like Yeah, that's not even like
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  a torch, it looks like a genuine piece of paper.
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  He's holding the sprinklers are not going off in the studio of
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  the display and the truth is pure back.
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  Then the safety mostly just wear a little less.
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  That is true. It's a conscious.
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  So we've got is everybody here now.
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  Is everybody at the palace? We've got Barbara's here as the
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  slave coming. It's like in the courtyard, I
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  think. And obviously the doctrine It
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  here but they still have me that not all of them.
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  No, no will in and barbarous know, Vicki in the doctor don't
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  necessarily know that Ian and Barbara there and that's the
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  joke in the final scene. Oh yeah, what is it?
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  Such youthful exuberance. Yeah.
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  Can cause the man lazy bones or something since you've enjoyed
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  resting about so much you probably want to go back to the
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  Tar Pits. The always had that shot you
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  were talking about From Below. Yeah.
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  Yeah that's really impressive. What I was going to follow the
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  money, I was gonna ask you your opinion on the other
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  Christopher, Barry directed stories.
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  So if I list them one after another hit my head, so the
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  Daleks Good apart from the Richard, Martin episodes.
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  That's very fair, the rescue. Love it, the Romans loved it.
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  Oh, we obviously, that we'd swipe the weird swipe across the
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  screen a bit like Star Wars, if not.
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  No, I missed it. So it's the bit where in and El
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  Estilo. So every name is that when they
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  join the other torchbearers and there's this weird sort of
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  Transition where instead of a fear That's All wipes across the
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  screen but it's very undoctored. Who Akana?
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  You will need a rewind. Yes not now but yeah sorry back
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  and have a look what if you got to to the Romans.
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  The Savages. Yes.
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  But I probably can't like really judge the direction but I think
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  the story is good. Yeah.
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  Power of the Daleks. Yes, you lied.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  I think I think that's except controversial.
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  I think six episodes as possibly a bit of a stretch.
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  It's not, like I wanna see what's next.
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  Oh, the demons. Love it.
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  All-time top three. Oh wow.
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  Okay, the the mutants Silence speaks volumes.
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  It's just very white and clinical again, I think it's
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  just it's way more of a story thing to your soul.
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  Just too long in it. Robot.
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  That's fine. Yeah, that's right.
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  A Mobius, really good? Yeah.
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  And finally, of all of it, I think of all these Classics have
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  gone through preaching from the pier.
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  I absolutely love the Creature from the bit.
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  Actually, I realize the direction and especially the
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  film sections. Amazing only the jungle, and the
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  even, like the stuff down, like the creature, like, fair enough
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  the creature, but what can you do with our crew?
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  Suture. I think he does his best.
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  Yeah, I mean important turn on the lights off and going a bit
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  magma beast and I don't know. But you know what?
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  That is a real idiosyncratic collection of stories there.
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  Hmm different tones. Different lengths, different
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  doctors different areas gives you such like a smorgasbord of
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  different. Yea like I said like the tones
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  and Different eras. I think that's a very good crop
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  selection. I think he's I think he's a good
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  eater. So Barry, I think you can or
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  mother and your raffinose jungle scenes, increase from the pair.
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  I probably as a child will be convinced that was outside.
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  Hmm. Connection with talked about the
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  fact that this is obviously filmed in a little corners of
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  Studios, but the I actually think the, the stock footage and
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  everything is quite well, integrated and it like it
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  establishes, right? There's waves.
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  It's the say there's, it's quite certainly done, but not in a way
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  where Clegg sometimes you get stock footage, the like is too
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  much of a juxtaposition with what then comes.
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  We as, you know, remember Android Invasion when a show you
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  a stock footage of a NASA Shuttle and then I got to a
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  dreadful model that yeah, what's going on?
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  That's not him. Is it?
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  That's Focus for Barry. That's very less.
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  Very, let's our side. But you know what?
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  When you think about this story as a whole though, oh hang on.
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  There's a bit where he's holding his cross showing that, he's a
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  Christian man. That's nice.
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  I think that's a really nice character B, right?
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  Yeah. All that the Flames are like
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  sort of going off and when stuff the other bit, which I think we
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  just missed was while in a barber escape and evens.
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  Me it with his flaming torch, just like jams it in somebody's
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  face and that's it. Yeah, it's just as they're
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  coming up. The throne room just probably
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  porch in the face. History has got a bit of a bite,
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  you know? Well yeah.
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  I mean the whole The whole scene, this scene is absolutely
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  magical, the pair of them like looking at a important moment in
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  his. It's the bit where Vicky
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  actually, like says, like this is people will be talking about
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  this for thousands of years. Nobody's got to know.
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  It was your fault. What child?
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  You can't blame me for all this, but I love how it's so rich of
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  him coming after the ancient. Honestly, after that long
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  taught, you give me what meddling like And then he waits
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  till she's gone and then he has a laugh.
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  Something But like again, tonally, there's probably a lot
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  of people died in that. Fire laughter, dr.
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  Laughing his head off her balcony.
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  It's and actually this whole thing way says like or will he
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  would have decided eventually to burn wrong like somebody else
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  would have suggested to him or something like that.
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  That contradicts so much. I think it's the end of the
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  reign of terror. When the talk about, what if
• 24:04
  Napoleon? Hadn't.
• 24:07
  What if we try to stop Napoleon or whatever?
• 24:10
  And then he says, oh well, they would have only found out
• 24:12
  another way or it's a, it's a, it's a nice gal Claus, isn't it?
• 24:18
  Isn't so much. This story's been comedic if
• 24:21
  you'd had them, they're crying their eyes out and all those
• 24:23
  people dying. It would
• 24:35
  With this destruction, it's like the doctor and the, the Roman
• 24:39
  family at the, a family looking from the hills.
• 24:44
  Joe, I do love that for very different reasons.
• 24:46
  I think that's as effective, but just going in a very different
• 24:51
  direction tonally. We've got Peter.
• 24:54
  Carr go in, it's volcanic, you think you can make?
• 24:59
  So I love it Ian's piecing together or literally the pieces
• 25:02
  of the, the bars in saw. So this is what the must have
• 25:05
  hit me on the head with and she's like, oh yeah, we Chase
• 25:09
  around now like you can I tell you what I'm gonna do with it
• 25:12
  but it's very near Elizabeth. Yeah, even the way the set is
• 25:19
  it's very like Nero chasing Barbara.
• 25:23
  Oh, look at her. Let's just hit them with a
• 25:25
  cushion. Is made the fridge joke.
• 25:29
  You have sex? Is this is she does not come on,
• 25:32
  let's not think about 10 seconds ahead of me.
• 25:35
  But, oh yeah. I like the fridge joke, like
• 25:42
  sort of Tops and Tails, the The episodes just realized that she
• 25:48
  hit me on the head with the bars.
• 25:50
  It was so well. Your head going the wrong in the
• 25:52
  way. Yeah that's that's like a really
• 25:54
  good sort of David Renwick Square.
• 25:56
  Okay he wrote one foot in the grave.
• 25:59
  Did he write Black Adam as well? But he would do that.
• 26:02
  He would he would sit on a joke and then pay off much later on
• 26:07
  and I think Darren has got the same ability for each joke and
• 26:12
  it actually it's probably quite rewarding when And it'll have
• 26:15
  been for a foil for week since year will have seen the first
• 26:20
  episode or three weeks. So, quite a long time to get a
• 26:24
  payoff on a jewel. Okay.
• 26:26
  Hot know? Well, well well don't look at
• 26:30
  them child, you know, the energy might be over coming for you.
• 26:37
  There's so much fun. I've I feel like this is like
• 26:42
  the ultimate Doctor Who family. Mmm.
• 26:45
  Yeah. The thumb the fact that you are
• 26:49
  sending from treading on thin ice for so important.
• 26:52
  Its audience, you know I love the job.
• 26:57
  I'm a fan has a farm. Oh no, he shoves a great man's
• 27:03
  mouth. Like The Comedy of them trying
• 27:07
  to tell the doctor and Vicky, wait a sec.
• 27:10
  We've been there too and they just can't get a word in
• 27:13
  edgeways. And I love the idea that all
• 27:16
  untelevised bit, where the going back to the Tardis, which
• 27:19
  presumably is quite attract aware and the Cartwright and
• 27:23
  tell them. Hey, but wait, so we went there?
• 27:26
  Yeah, the whole time quiet. Quiet.
• 27:32
  Do you know who I really think? This is one of the stories where
• 27:37
  I think they drop character quite a lot in there seems
• 27:40
  together and it's just the actors having a blast.
• 27:42
  Yeah, they're so in the script but you're seeing the real sort
• 27:47
  of relationships between our love our on them.
• 27:50
  I think we both watching this on a brick box and the thumbnails
• 27:54
  for episodes like to free and for all in and bought the
• 27:59
  variations of the same photo Obviously got a fort are live,
• 28:03
  Topher in for Just Right Jackie and we rustler going to be like,
• 28:09
  lounging gonna be a fun photo shoot.
• 28:14
  Wait, where are we going next? Is it the red planet?
• 28:17
  It is the poem down by some Force.
• 28:20
  Drag down to what? What?
• 28:23
  What? I'll stay in those clothes.
• 28:28
  You look fabulous. Don't, I always really liked it
• 28:31
  as well. This is gonna be a big key key
• 28:32
  to say. But you know, when the Tardis is
• 28:34
  are like a bit Askew, like it was at the bottom of that
• 28:36
  mountain. Hmm.
• 28:38
  Or when it's on its side, thanks the ice Warriors and Ya.
• 28:41
  Ya Allah in Makkah Bipolar, when it's on the on the carriage.
• 28:45
  Yeah, I got around he does it as well.
• 28:50
  I love the fact that this like reminds you that Vicki is still
• 28:54
  like the new be just like what you're on about he can't fly.
• 28:58
  The Tardis was just like and you know anywhere planet we still
• 29:02
  are learning about her because remember she goes what's it?
• 29:04
  How often did you go to school almost?
• 29:06
  Yeah, hour a week. Yeah but that's true.
• 29:09
  And I love all this that I mean, The story ended, its like a
• 29:14
  couple of scenes ago, but I love that like, it's, it's pretty.
• 29:20
  It means that you gotta put a setup.
• 29:23
  It's basically like an alternative to a next time
• 29:25
  trailer, but it's such a good T's is a great teeth, but I
• 29:29
  wasn't like this story has both. Oh God.
• 29:33
  What's it called? In a book a Prelude?
• 29:35
  Is that what it's called? And yeah, well yeah in all of
• 29:40
  our, the The question is immediately answered by the next
• 29:45
  episode. It's dragged down to Art and
• 29:48
  then next episode of the web planning, another starkel.
• 29:54
  I've just gotta ask you like, before we, before we go out.
• 29:57
  Why there's something else you got to do at the end of this, I
• 29:58
  don't know. Yeah.
• 29:59
  But you know, you're fun and second, what do you think of the
• 30:03
  we're planning? I like Earth and though I can't
• 30:07
  watch all six. No, I want the guy that, you
• 30:09
  know, I'm not some sort of animal but like, I think that.
• 30:16
  August. I'm so I just find it so
• 30:20
  fascinating for the production and fur.
• 30:23
  I mean, I think on paper tonight story as well and I think that
• 30:26
  it probably looked enough even at the time but I think it's
• 30:30
  just like the ambition and the weirdness and the wait a second.
• 30:34
  This is on BBC and 13 million. People were watching it, Jean, a
• 30:40
  million, people's Mother's Enlighten, get with those
• 30:43
  Heights. Again, I think until like ITV
• 30:46
  was off. I think it's I think it's a
• 30:48
  parking space to God. Is it six million of smile?
• 30:52
  It was a long time though. Yeah, and I think that maybe I
• 30:56
  don't know, I suppose it was off the back of the toilet, me, and
• 30:59
  you and everything, but it's obviously doing something right.
• 31:03
  And I think that, yeah, it's the inventiveness.
• 31:07
  I sort of wish that the web Planet, I don't mind the
• 31:10
  production. I wish that it sort of been for
• 31:11
  episode rather than 6. Yeah, well I often feel that way
• 31:14
  about six powers I think the it's already like the end, the
• 31:21
  novelization of I think Doctor Who in the zombie.
• 31:25
  Oh yeah. That actually, there you go.
• 31:27
  There's the next one that should be Illustrated.
• 31:31
  All I mind, don't short the illustrator what is RB looks
• 31:35
  like. Yeah.
• 31:37
  Just say right there. Giant ants go for it.
• 31:40
  Yes, I think that would be a enjoyed most people and I think
• 31:44
  I've always thought as well, the web Planet if It was missing.
• 31:47
  I mean, it would obviously be tortured to listen to all the
• 31:51
  beeps and everything, but I would have loved, like the way
• 31:54
  the winter went through bondable storming, and Gary Russell was
• 31:57
  talking about the pad for some of our, and how they sort of
• 32:04
  went off script with the stage directions and Putnam sum of all
• 32:08
  being in another realm and astral projection, and all this.
• 32:13
  And the could go a bit like off. What was on off to you on TV?
• 32:17
  I think I can imagine an animated.
• 32:19
  We're plummeting incredible it would be exposed if you do if
• 32:23
  you go at it with a right let's not replicate.
• 32:26
  What was on the screen? Let's just go completely off the
• 32:28
  rails. I think I'd love to see her.
• 32:31
  Cattle. If they do do that, I'm saying
• 32:33
  that the idea for that web Planet Illustrated novel came
• 32:36
  here. Alright, so I'm going to do is
• 32:39
  solve these for you, okay? But before we go, the format is,
• 32:46
  is that once we have finished watching the story, we give
• 32:51
  three recommendations as to why somebody should grab the Romans
• 32:55
  from their shelf, straight away and put it on.
• 32:58
  If we do three each you start, I'll go.
• 33:01
  So next we'll go back and forth. Okay, off you go also I'm Scott
• 33:05
  already. I'm yeah, I think I don't be
• 33:11
  boring but I can just literally list really at the cast if
• 33:15
  that's what you want to do it. I think it really hot, but I
• 33:22
  think that it's probably not his greatest showcase because it
• 33:27
  really showcases The volume number to Maureen O'Brien.
• 33:31
  I don't free Jaclyn Hill and I think that each get a chance to
• 33:36
  really show sides of their character.
• 33:38
  I think Ian's Armenians have enough, screentime means done
• 33:42
  everything but I think yeah by this point I think that I mean
• 33:48
  Barbara hasn't even had that much time to beat in.
• 33:50
  This isn't a lot of time which hasn't been that comedic.
• 33:54
  No, but actually Jaclyn Hill is really funny too.
• 33:58
  And Vicki is still fairly new quantity like I think it's C
• 34:04
  still finding out about. You still seeing her and the
• 34:09
  doctor together in. Yeah, I can't think of any I
• 34:15
  think anything outside of that is sort of dressing to those
• 34:21
  free. I think I found.
• 34:22
  Yeah, I think about what part apart from possibly Derek
• 34:24
  Francis. Oh yeah, he's obviously pretty
• 34:27
  well. I'll tell you what.
• 34:27
  Yeah, welcome Portland's Maureen.
• 34:30
  O'Brien number 12 Jaclyn Hill over.
• 34:34
  Friederich Francis. I think that I think that the
• 34:39
  doctrine excuse me. I've got online free as well.
• 34:42
  You just named after cars, okay, well, Going to say the weight
• 34:47
  and character humor of Derek, Dennis Spooner.
• 34:52
  And just the brilliant jokes in this, the one, the one that you
• 34:56
  learned during this very common tree of.
• 34:58
  If I could just get my hands on whoever is responsible.
• 35:00
  Yes. And again, that's another one
• 35:02
  you wouldn't get that. It was missing.
• 35:03
  You wouldn't see that he was grabbing hold of her, it
• 35:06
  probably wasn't in the script but it's visual gags as well.
• 35:09
  Like with the The Sword in the sauna.
• 35:12
  It's and visual gags like Barbara disappearing, just as
• 35:16
  the doctor appears. But then there's also like
• 35:20
  genuine weight in the Story as well.
• 35:22
  I'm sure it'll be a roaring success, you know, it's really,
• 35:26
  really funny. So that's my number one, Dennis
• 35:28
  spoon. But to I'll say, Christopher
• 35:30
  Barry who I think has got almost impossible task at trying to
• 35:35
  realize an ancient Rome. No thruppence in a corner of
• 35:40
  lime Grove, but actually does a pretty good job.
• 35:42
  I think, in terms of sets, there's a lot of sets in this,
• 35:46
  there's the Villa, the beginning, the road, the market,
• 35:52
  The palace, the Gladiator ring, you know, and I see someone
• 35:57
  forgetting this. Well, I'm sure so in a, there's
• 36:00
  a lot, there's a lot of sort of in-between spaces which are done
• 36:05
  with like black drapes and yeah, a candelabra, like a large
• 36:10
  Candlestick or whatever and it works.
• 36:13
  And I think it's this the lighting and the I think I think
• 36:16
  the script works, the script snores it to limit as well and I
• 36:21
  think you can Oh that you can tell that like Dennis Spooner,
• 36:24
  it was obviously done a lot. I think he didn't let you do a
• 36:26
  lot of the Avengers. Yeah.
• 36:28
  Or would go on to write that down?
• 36:30
  Will do so I think like gnawing right, well, this is an
• 36:35
  establishing shot which can be taken from stock.
• 36:39
  This can be easily done in the corn at things like explaining
• 36:42
  away the arena as it's a training school or whatever,
• 36:45
  which I'm sure is like said in passing the whole.
• 36:48
  But isn't hope not margin of that.
• 36:50
  But there's Like Terry Nation, for example, I mean I love kids
• 36:54
  at Mariners but that is it's sort of it's on a bit of a
• 36:58
  hiding to nothing with the scale of it.
• 37:00
  And I think it's the berry set designer guy Barry Newberry.
• 37:07
  Yes. In the there's a special feature
• 37:09
  way to basically him just being really sad that It was just
• 37:13
  really like not proud of his work but he hated the fire of
• 37:17
  Rome at the end and me. Yeah, I think it's I mean it
• 37:22
  seems to have known the director, the writer and the
• 37:25
  director. I think seem to have been on the
• 37:28
  same lines with Rockridge and couldn't be done.
• 37:31
  Yeah, and I think that there's certain scripture that isn't
• 37:35
  always the case. Well guess, I had my third
• 37:38
  thing, then I'm missing the pace of it.
• 37:40
  So I think a lot of people criticize black and white Doctor
• 37:43
  Who for being really slow pace and this isn't at all, this has
• 37:46
  got about five plots happening concurrently for out and we hop
• 37:51
  back and forth to each one and we just with each one long
• 37:55
  enough. So it doesn't really get born
• 37:57
  again. Yeah, hop on to the next one.
• 37:59
  I got. And I think this one just flies
• 38:01
  by and it's one of those rare Doctor Who stories where the
• 38:05
  final episode isn't a massive, let down which yeah frequently
• 38:09
  wears this ends with, right? Fire of Rome, you know, like a
• 38:13
  nutshell. I think that's a great formula
• 38:15
  with those. I don't know what the for party
• 38:17
  story walls, which are building up to a big historical event.
• 38:20
  That is a good formula because it's not going to flag when you
• 38:23
  know what's coming, mmm, because it's all expectation.
• 38:28
  And yeah, you know, that just around the corner there's going
• 38:33
  to be the five rule more, the mass curve, the hyuga nozzle,
• 38:36
  whatever. You know that at least it's not
• 38:39
  gonna Tail off and I'll say this and I don't say this very often
• 38:45
  props to Eric's award in the ACs because he pulls off a pseudo
• 38:49
  historical, which feels like it's going nowhere.
• 38:52
  And then the surprise twist at the end is always putting Lane
• 38:55
  and the greater London. You know, you hear a lot of big
• 38:58
  salt, I watch the visitation fairly recent as well.
• 39:00
  He who lot of the Casco this harks back to the doctor who
• 39:03
  have my childhood. I think Pete Davidson says and
• 39:07
  it is very much like how you expect historical dr.
• 39:10
  Hood up. It's weird.
• 39:11
  The didn't do that for so long. Yeah, well yeah, then in the
• 39:16
  80s, they started pulling away from it, just like they did in
• 39:19
  the 60s. Mmm, just very straight.
• 39:21
  I loved it. When chibnall came along and
• 39:24
  said, you know what, we're going to do some of those Hartnell
• 39:26
  those serious historical again. So when you do Rosa and Punjab
• 39:30
  in series 11, I was really impressed.
• 39:33
  Yeah, I think I feel with the Jordan vertical ones.
• 39:35
  I absolutely love. Pretty much all the historic
• 39:37
  goals. I think that which funds as
• 39:40
  well. Of the world where maybe not
• 39:42
  the, which one is so much, but they're all sort of, I guess.
• 39:46
  Because most of this leveraged articles have been done and
• 39:48
  Russell T, Davies by chimel, it's the individual characters,
• 39:54
  and perhaps the least lesson on ones.
• 39:56
  Yeah. That I thought they did the
• 39:59
  partition of India, particularly well, with the family, the sort
• 40:03
  of the Divide of the families and bringing that answers.
• 40:07
  Well, and even something like War of the sontarans, which I
• 40:09
  know it was like, skew it. Because there was no war with
• 40:12
  the sontarans, but Mary Seacole was brilliantly done in that I
• 40:18
  thought. Wow, I feel as if we've covered
• 40:22
  the Romans. It's a lot of bang for your buck
• 40:28
  for. This Coventry was just boy, at
• 40:30
  least me to say, thank you very much for your time.
• 40:32
  It's been an absolute pleasure. Yes, I very much enjoyed it.
• 40:35
  Yeah. And I will try and twist your
• 40:37
  arms to enough one in the future.
• 40:39
  All right. And the God picked out randomly
• 40:42
  out of the house. I wasn't, you recuperate is a
• 40:45
  curated selection of which one. Which next we tell me.
• 40:51
  Honestly, I'll see what's already been taken.
• 40:53
  Well, I just, it's just the Drake left now.
• 40:57
  This is what the rare example, think of a great agenda.
• 41:01
  I'll send you a list, but there are some goodies, but no, thank
• 41:04
  you very much. It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 41:06
  My pleasure. Bosh.
• 41:09
  There we go. Yeah.
• 41:11
  I gotta pick a style. That was another free, our
• 41:13
  recording. Yeah.
• 41:18
  I've lost track on here. Can you, can you hear me, know,
• 41:20
  I can hear you now. I think it's not just taking
• 41:23
  that out, but, yeah, I think I've got a message from Matthew
• 41:28
  about 15 minutes ago, saying, other than cutting God, I only
• 41:35
  realized I could reply to it. I'll give him a call.
• 42:17
  Thing on the if building visits as part of trips away are
• 42:22
  always, welcome. Thanks.
• 42:25
  Kronos, you have an i statement enjoy your enjoy your tea.
• 42:29
  Oh, don't worry, see you later. Bye!