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168. [Arkansas] The Murder of Julie Heath · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: time like these parents people they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Once they get older then they want to go to
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  Speaker 1: these small things where you invite one or two friends
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and we are limited on time today so
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  Speaker 1: we are going to go ahead and get started on
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  Speaker 1: our case. We are going Arkansas. And if anybody's gonna
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  Speaker 1: argue that these people are not part of of the
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  Speaker 1: Southern States, based on those accents that I heard from
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  Speaker 1: the people involved with the case, they are more Southern
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  Speaker 1: than I am.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how was that even possible?
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  Speaker 1: They heard that real country that drow Yeah, yep, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So in October twelfth, nineteen ninety three, in Malvern, Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Heath was doing some laundry for her eighteen year
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  Speaker 1: old daughter Julie, trying to help her out do a
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  Speaker 1: little favor for her daughter. Julie was supposed to come
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  Speaker 1: by that day and pick up the laundry. However, that
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  Speaker 1: evening she still hadn't shown up. Now, Julie didn't live
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  Speaker 1: with her mom. She was eighteen and she had moved
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  Speaker 1: out and was living with her best friend and her
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  Speaker 1: best friend's husband. So Nancy was a little concerned. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't so much that she hadn't shown up. She just thought,
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  Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety three, so no cell phones and
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  Speaker 1: things like that. So if someone didn't showup in eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year old you're like, oh, she must have forgot to
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  Speaker 1: come by and pick it up. We'll see her tomorrow. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: by the next morning, she still had not heard from Julie,
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  Speaker 1: and then she found out that Julie had not shown
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  Speaker 1: up at work that morning because Julie worked a couple
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  Speaker 1: of part time jobs making ends meet. And so this
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  Speaker 1: is when they started getting very concerned because Julie was
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  Speaker 1: not the type of eighteen year old to like skip back.
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  Speaker 2: Get out on her work without colin and letting them know.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, so this was a real red flag. And again,
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  Speaker 1: this is Malvern, Arkansas. I didn't look up the population,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure it was like around like two
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. So like word got out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that Julie was did not show up at work. So
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  Speaker 1: she heads over to the home where Julie is living
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  Speaker 1: to see if her best friend is heard from her,
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  Speaker 1: and she said no, she hadn't seen her. And she's
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  Speaker 1: also pretty shocked that she's missing, because she said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't come home last night. She did say that
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  Speaker 1: she remember Julie mentioning something about a new boyfriend, and
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  Speaker 1: she said, oh, yeah, she's left a phone number. She
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  Speaker 1: was going to visit the boyfriend at his family's lake house,
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  Speaker 1: and so she had left a phone number, and so
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  Speaker 1: they tried calling that phone number, but nobody answers. So
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  Speaker 1: at this point they've decided to go ahead and go
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  Speaker 1: to the police to file a report for a missing
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  Speaker 1: person because they didn't know where this lake house was either.
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  Speaker 1: They just knew it was in Hot Springs, but other
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  Speaker 1: than that, they had a phone number and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: The authorities in Malvern were familiar with Jewelie because this
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  Speaker 2: is a small town. Everybody knows everybody if you're from
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  Speaker 2: one of the smaller towns. I mean, I was from
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  Speaker 2: a small town, but not one where everybody knew everybody.
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  Speaker 1: No, there's these small I'm going to look up what
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  Speaker 1: the population was, because there's small towns and then there's
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  Speaker 1: small small towns.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody does actually know or is acquainted with somebody in town. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she drove a black Camaro through town. Everybody would see
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  Speaker 2: her driving through town, So she's everybody knows her, they
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  Speaker 2: know what she drives, they see her around town. She's
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  Speaker 2: just a regular local girl. She didn't get in any
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  Speaker 2: trouble or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I looked up the population of Malvern in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, which was around this time, it was niney
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  Speaker 1: nine hundred and thirteen, so that's pretty.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know everybody then, No, but ten thousand people.
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  Speaker 1: The thing was like, it's growing town. It's increased to
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  Speaker 1: nearly ten thousand. I'm like, it was niney, nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirteen in nineteen ninety and in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: it's approaching ten thousand plus. It's not growing that rapidly.
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  Speaker 2: It's not exponential growth.
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  Speaker 1: No, like it's approaching ten thousand. I was like, it
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  Speaker 1: was approaching ten thousand in nine to me, nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirteen is approaching ten thousand in nineteen ninety. People leave,
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  Speaker 1: People die, Yeah, people do die.
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  Speaker 2: That it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Authorities asked the family where they believe Julie might be.
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  Speaker 2: As Karen mentioned, she had a new boyfriend that had
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  Speaker 2: a family lake house up in the Hot spring are.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice area, very nice. We went to the National
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  Speaker 1: Park is actually the the town basically because they have
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  Speaker 1: all the hot springs. They got these bathhouses. We got
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  Speaker 1: to go back there now because we have so whenever
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  Speaker 1: we started, we stopped buying like shot glasses and things
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  Speaker 1: like that when we're traveling and we buy ornaments. So
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  Speaker 1: this year I've learned my lesson.
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  Speaker 2: What lesson is that, Karen?
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  Speaker 1: We put all the glass ones, hide them underneath all
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  Speaker 1: the other ones that the children are allowed to hang up,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll put them on the tree later after
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  Speaker 1: they go to sleep. Why is that, Karen, Because we
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  Speaker 1: did lose our Hot Springs National Park ornament this year.
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  Speaker 1: The three year old dropped it. Yes, we did not
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  Speaker 1: get upset with him. We just were like, stop because
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  Speaker 1: of the glass. But we'll just have to go back.
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  Speaker 2: Stop moving.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody move and they always move. After you say that,
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  Speaker 1: You're like you're gonna slice your foot open.
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  Speaker 2: Stop.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, I have learned. So remember we pack everything up.
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  Speaker 1: All the glass ones are going and getting hidden underneath
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  Speaker 1: the other ones, and then we'll do those ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to just tell them there's none left,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll hang them up after they got to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, high up or they can't touch them anyway. So
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  Speaker 1: we do have to go.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Hot Hot Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that was where that lady tried to charge
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  Speaker 1: me so much to send that elephant back. Remember. Oh
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  Speaker 1: then I got mad and I said, screw you. You
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  Speaker 1: can keep it. I left it. We left an elephant
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  Speaker 1: a little and it wasn't when they were overly attached
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  Speaker 1: to it was like a new gift that they had
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  Speaker 1: just gotten. Yeah, and so it's like I could go
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  Speaker 1: get it from Target for like ten dollars to replace it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I left at the Airbnb. So I'm like, the lady's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll send it back. And we had left something in
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  Speaker 1: Boston one time, a shirt, and the lady sent it
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  Speaker 1: back and it was like five or six bucks. It
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  Speaker 1: was like a flat rate envelope type of thing. So
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  Speaker 1: this this stuff, the stuffed animal was small. It could
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  Speaker 1: have fit into one of those flat rate envelopes. She
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  Speaker 1: tries to get me gay who give her twenty five
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  Speaker 1: dollars or something like that, something crazy, And so I
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  Speaker 1: was like, no, you can just keep the elephant. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is ridiculous, like charging me twenty five
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  Speaker 1: dollars to there's no way that costs tot Yes, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that costs twenty five dollars to send it back.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was trying to Michael A. Bucker make
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  Speaker 1: some money off of it. So then I removed my review,
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  Speaker 1: my nice review from her thing.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't put a bad one, just take it. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: take to.
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  Speaker 1: Put a bad one. I just took it. Instead of
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  Speaker 1: saying you were trying to NIKEL and Diemy over this
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  Speaker 1: freaking uh little stuffed animal and up charge me to
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  Speaker 1: make some money. And anyways, because that's part of like
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  Speaker 1: being in an airbnb, which I don't. We're not doing airbnbs
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  Speaker 1: anymore anyways, because they're ridiculous. Anyways, We're not. The fees
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  Speaker 1: are outrageous, they're dirty. And then part of the thing
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  Speaker 1: was is that you're supposed to be like staying at
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  Speaker 1: someone's house, so you would expect maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more hospitality, not overcharging you for a stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, So pull material care.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, anyways, we okay, stop telling me that, Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you you're getting all my nerves.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, back to the story. But you should definitely
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  Speaker 1: if you live in the areas you like within when
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  Speaker 1: I say a couple hours, you should check out Hot
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  Speaker 1: Springs and go one of those bathhouses and stuff. Get
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  Speaker 1: our elephant, for get our elephant, get our ornament, send
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  Speaker 1: it back to us. Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Now from Malvern Hot Springs is about twenty minutes away.
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  Speaker 2: You took two seventy if you're from the area, and
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  Speaker 2: it was a straight shot up the I guess that's
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  Speaker 2: a state highway to the Hot Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stuart, I guess it's a state highway. What other
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  Speaker 1: highway would it be?
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  Speaker 2: An interstate highway?
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  Speaker 1: It's not an interstate high Bously, it's not. That's not
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  Speaker 1: one of the numbers. And the ones that run up
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  Speaker 1: and down are end in five.
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  Speaker 2: How do you know what in an east or west thing?
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  Speaker 1: It's well they okay, well, there's not an interstate two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy either. It's ten, twenty, third, forty, go on.
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  Speaker 1: It's not go on and anyways, at that level, even
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  Speaker 1: east and west, if it wasn't interstate, it would be
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  Speaker 1: probably thirty or something like that running there, because twenty
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  Speaker 1: runs through Louisiana and stuff, so your next one up
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  Speaker 1: would be thirty. Anyways, the more.
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  Speaker 2: You know, quick quick geography map lesson YEP. Investigators went
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  Speaker 2: over to Hot Springs to see if they could locate Julie. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: around town, word got out pretty quickly that Julie was missing,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone jumped to the worst possible conclusion, but they
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  Speaker 2: all jumped in the cars. They started driving around town,
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  Speaker 2: hitting the back roads, seeing if she had broken down somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: if they could find her car, if they could find her.
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  Speaker 2: There was no sign of Julie though, and the community
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  Speaker 2: was being becoming alarmed that their worst inclinations were going
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  Speaker 2: to come true. They also headed up to Hot Springs,
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  Speaker 2: where they were unable to locate Julie because they were
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  Speaker 2: driving around looking for police.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they drove around the TWOCE Highway two seventy to
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  Speaker 1: see if they can find her on the find her
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the road or car broke down,
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Police did speak to her boyfriend and he claims he
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  Speaker 2: hadn't seen Julie in a week or so, and that
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  Speaker 2: he did go to his family's lake house the evening
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  Speaker 2: that they suspect Julie was going to go meet him,
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  Speaker 2: but Julie never came there, and that he was with
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  Speaker 2: his sister and that him and his sister had watched
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  Speaker 2: some TV investigator seemed suspicious of the boyfriend because he
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  Speaker 2: seemed pretty nonchalant about his girlfriend just not coming up,
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  Speaker 2: not being around. She's just missing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how serious they were either, So
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  Speaker 1: I'd just like to say, so I did look up
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  Speaker 1: Hot Springs. It is like northwest of Malvern. But what's
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  Speaker 1: so funny is I thirty runs almost through Malverne, so
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  Speaker 1: I was correct on guessing which interest ran through there.
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  Speaker 2: So well, I will give you a pat on the
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  Speaker 2: back as soon as this is over.
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  Speaker 1: It's a real pretty area up there too, it is. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So on October fourteenth, investigators received a call saying that
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  Speaker 1: they had located Julie's vehicle. So, on October eleventh, the
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  Speaker 1: night that she had gone missing, a deputy had the
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  Speaker 1: car towed around eleven eleven thirty pm. In that timeframe.
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  Speaker 1: The deputy didn't really think anything of it. He just
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  Speaker 1: thought it was like a car abandoned on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the highway that he didn't even can't you give
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  Speaker 1: her an orange sticker first and then come back the
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  Speaker 1: next day?
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  Speaker 2: One would think, well, you just got to.
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  Speaker 1: Toe it like that, that's right doing. I mean, sam
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  Speaker 1: car was broke down. I thought they usually put the
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  Speaker 1: sticker with the date and then they passed back by.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been in Louisiana driving up and down
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  Speaker 2: the roads, I'll see that same damn car. Yes, for
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  Speaker 2: like a week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, get the fuck off.
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  Speaker 2: My rope yep towing that shit now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was found on that highway to seventy,
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  Speaker 1: heading up to two Hot Springs. However, it was pointed
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  Speaker 1: back towards Malvern, so it looked like something happened. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she was heading up there and then she turned.
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  Speaker 2: Around around the head back down south.
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  Speaker 1: So southeast, yes, Stuart.
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  Speaker 2: Southeast, Well, we're given map directions. I thought.
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  Speaker 1: The southeast, yes, okay, So it was it was actually
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  Speaker 1: the tow truck driver that realized that he had Julie's
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  Speaker 1: missing vehicle because he's looking at news reports. So he's
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  Speaker 1: the one that contacted police and they spoke to the deputy.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators head to that impound yard to inspect the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: They did find that the vehicle was having some trouble.
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  Speaker 1: It was low on water, it was low on a
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  Speaker 1: a freeze. This would indicate that the car car probably
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  Speaker 1: overheated and that's how it ended up on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the road. So they're thinking maybe she was headed
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to see the boyfriend. She starts having trouble, She's like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I better get back, get sacked and funny and then
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it breaks down over heat and she's stuck again. Nineteen
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: ninety three. No wait, yeah, what are you going to do?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So they look for any other signs of struggle, any blood,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: anything broken, and nothing is out of order on the car.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I mean the doors were even locked as well, indicating
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that she willingly left the car. She locked it up
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: like she would be coming back to it. So they're
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: thinking maybe she had gone with someone she knew, or
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: someone had picked her up to help her, or something
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: like that. They did find a receipt for around nine
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: pm at a fast food restaurant and then around that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: same time a gas station, so they do know that
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: something happened to Julie between around that nine pm and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: eleven pm timeframe when the car was towed again. He waited,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even two hours and he was out there
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and he had that car toad. That's wrong.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Well, at least they got a time frame now and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: once she came up, I know.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise it would just be still sitting out there
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: onside the road. But they might have found it faster
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: instead of Well, I guess it was only a day
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: or two later. Yeah, still still.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Tow truck drivers.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: On top off, your car breaks down, and then you're
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: already being toad. I mean that's hard. You're already gonna
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: have to pay for the card to be fixed. Now
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you got to go pay to get it out of
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the impound lot.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, police head to the fast food restaurant and the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: gas station where they had the receipts from, but they
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: don't get much more information.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: We do know she ordered tater tots and a doctor pepper,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so that sounds good.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: The girl that worked at the fast food restaurant did
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: go to school with Julie, so she was familiar with
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: her and remembered her being there, and all she remembered
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was that she was dressed up real nice with makeup,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So that supports the story that she was going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: visit her new boyfriend.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she said she specifically remembered how nice Julie looked,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: because she didn't normally wear makeup to whenever she was
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: at school. It wasn't like a thing. And she said
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: she remembered noting how nice she looked.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Now, no one at the gas station remember saying her
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It seemed like a backhanded thing than to be like, oh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: she looked nice today.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she looks pretty homely, but.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Today up sound like a little bit bitchy.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: The search parties continue with no sign of Julie. No
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: one had heard from her or seen seen her in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: almost a week. They would finally get some new information,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: but it would be unfortunate, and that came on October eighteenth,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: hunter reported finding human remains out in the woods. Investigators
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: head to the scene, but they already and they're already
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: expecting to be Julie because she's the only missing person
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: they have in that area at that time.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if it was somebody else, it would have
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: been a completely that's all happened here. They arrive on
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the scene and immediately they see red hair, which Julie
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: had red hair, and so the investigators they know this
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is most likely her. It was clear that she had
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: a large slit across her throat. She was wearing clothes,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and it did match the description that her friend and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: mother gave for what she was wearing that day that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: she went missing. However, the clothes were put on like improperly.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Some of the shirt, the shirt was inside out, things
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: were unzipped, indicating that she might have been undressed. At
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: some point and then redressed by someone or herself in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a hurry or something like that. They did interview the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: hunter that found Julie. He lived about five miles from
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: where she was found. However, they were able to verify
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that this was a He said, this was like a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: normal place. He came out and spotted what did he
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: scouted for for buck? Stew scouted for buck. He was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: dressed in the proper attire for that. And they were
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: able to talk to neighbors and stuff and say, oh, yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: this is old rickety Bob. He's out here.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Every season of Arkansas Deer Hunters.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that was the thing that they were concerned about
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: someone coming in a stranger and picking her up or something,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: because it was at that time where they did have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a huge influx of people coming in for hunting season.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, so that was a concern.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: A bunch of people getting on a lease and had
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: out there to go, yeah, go do some hunting in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: ar Kansas, YEP. Julie's body was processed by the medical examiner.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: They did find indications that she had been raped, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that she had put up a serious fight. They did
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: find that the cause of death was her actual throat
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: being slit. Also, whenever they were undressing her, they did
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: find that her underwear and bra were inside out and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that they were pulled to the side. This would suggest
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that somebody had dressed her after the fact. Now that
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: they had more information on what happened and Julie, they
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: were still struggling to find her killer. They had a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: few leads, including a man that worked with Julie that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: seemed to have a crush on her, as well as
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a warrant for this separate, separate people.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: We don't want to throw that guy. There was just
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a guy that had a crush on her at work
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that they were like, yeah, he's kind of like infatuated
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with her, that they looked into. And then separately there
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: was a rapist in the community with the warrant out.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. However, both of these leads did not pan out.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: They did finally receive a clue from a pastor in town,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and he came forward a couple days after Julie was discovered.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: He told investigators that a man had come in and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: express expressed concern that he would be charged with the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: kidnapping and the murder of Julie. When investigators asked him
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: what day this person came in, the pastor told him
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: that this was said on October thirteenth. This date would
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: have been before they found Julie's body. So this is
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a huge red flag to investigators.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't like you know, like how they'll have
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: false confessions or people just try and to insert them.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So this was before she was discovered, so it had
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to so whoever.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: This is new she was kidnapped and murdered. Yes, before
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: she was found. Police asked, well, who is this guy?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know him? And he's like, why, yes, I do.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: The man's name is Eric Nance. They asked the pastor
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: if he knows where Eric is at this time, tells
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: him that, yes, I do. He just checked himself into
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the state mental hospital. Wasn't there that mental hospital right
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there when we were walking around right there? Probably it was?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: There was that institution right there.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was an institution right by where we
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: were staying. Hot Springs is like, okay, hots, I will
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: forewarn you. Hot Springs is a cool little town. However,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you're like one block away from pure anarchy. Yes, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we did stay in a very old house and it
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was a bit sketchy. There was that that institution right there.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So you know we're adventurers. You know, we just.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Put ourselves at risk our children.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: It's fine, So we can have an old home to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: stay in. I have a bone to pick with this pastor.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You have some crazy person who you know apparently has
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: mental health issue.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: You're not a Catholic. Praise that that was told this
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in confession. Yes, you're not under no obligation.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even care if you were. I don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: even care about any of that. You you need to go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: If you have someone that says they kidnapped and murdered somebody.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't say he did. He just said he was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: concerned he'd be charged with.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It, and he was mental has mental health issues, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you just let him run about the community for the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: next five days. This is not good, Like we need
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to do better, okay, pastor, Yes, pasture, I don't know pastor.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Pastor, pastor. I never had a pastor.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I had a pastor anyways.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Not a pastor.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, But that reminds me of the real housewives
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: of someone else.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: From someone that says ideal instead of idea, you share
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: getting nitpicky on somebody.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's fine. Rules are for thee, not for me. Okay,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: so uh Tamra said when she was found religion on
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the show, And when I say she found religion, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: used it loosely. She was like a lot of her
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: behaviors were not very Christian. But who am I to judge?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Who are you judge?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Well, you put yourself on a reality TV show. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: am here judge.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Evidently pastor and pastor different things.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Anyways, she said pastor, and I remember I think it
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: was Heather Debro, which of course it would be, was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like a pastor or or Vicky or something. Maybe Vicky
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: said it. Anyways, that she was like real judgie about
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the her same pasture. All right, Investigators head over su.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: You know I always got a real housewife, loaded or
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: ready to go. They live rent free in my head.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get back on tracks to stop distracting
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: me with rewives, Well my fault, all right, So investigators
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: head over to the mental hospital to talk with Eric.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Eric immediately shuts down any conversations with investigators and he
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: asked for an attorney as well as his brother. Investigators
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: head over to Eric's brother's house to discuss the case
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: with him to see if he has spoken to his
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: brother about this or if he knows anything. So the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: brother did remember Eric having car trouble that night. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: said he remembers heading out to help his brother with
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a flat tire. Now, the brother points out they were like, hey,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: can you show us where his car broke down, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: so he points it out on a map where he
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: found his brother's truck and it was only a few
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: hundred yards from where Julie's body was found. So they
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: asked the brother how Eric had called him, and he
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: said it was from a mini mart payphone down the road.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So they head over to that little mini mart to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: talk to the attendant there and she does remember seeing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Eric and she was familiar with him, so she said
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that she did notice that he came in with no shoes.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: He had pants that were like wet from being in
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the woods or whatever, and that was notable to her
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that he came in looking like that disheveled. Yes, he
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was disheveled, And she also said he looked flustered.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Oh we got disheveled and fluff Yes.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, a disheveled, flustered person. He said that his car
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: had broken down and that's what he was coming to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: uh In to do was to call his brother to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: get some help.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Police are able to get a search warrant for Eric's truck.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: They could tell that the truck had been freshly cleaned.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Was some cleaning product maybe, yes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: They could smell the cleaning Yes, they could smell Christmas.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It's October. Just trying to put out there that you
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: might get cleaning product for Christmas.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Some car cleaning product. Maybe they could smell the cleaning
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: product inside the vehicle. However, when they pulled out the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: light and the what the light and the.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Aluminum, Oh, that was a type of like the light
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: with the aluminole like the to light up the blood,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: not the light in the illuminum.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: The alum in I did not read ahead. They found
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: large amounts of blood in the seat, like in the cushion.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: They continued pulling evidence from the vehicle and they found
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a pubic hair that they could send off for testing.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: With all this information, Eric folds like a cheap Walmart
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: lawn chair, tells investigators that he accidentally stabbed her.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to start saying a cheap Timu lawn
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: chair because Walmart's actually the nicer stuff now compared to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like this cheap shit you get from Sheen and Timu.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I don't order any of it any I ordered.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Walmart probably has a lot better lawyers to call us
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and tell us to cease and assist as well.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, but tim Wu's probably listening right now, though.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They might be because you loaded crap on your I didn't.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So the Chinese government knows everything.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, but Tu, the Chinese government is sketchy okay,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and Timu is sketchy, and they you can get extra
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: percentage off if you download the app on your phone.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: So the one time I did order stuff, I didn't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: download the app because I'm like, you're not gonna get
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: me with that, But I still did offer my address.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I think I paid with paypals so i'd have some
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: layer of protection in their stew. But when I got
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the stuff, it has that like chemically smelled.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Was that that rug you ordered?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, hey, it's held up. That was one of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: nicer things.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: You were like, I ain't paying full fare for this.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: No, they wanted ridiculous bullshit money for some of this stuff. Though.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Can I finish telling the story? I guess, are you sure?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yes? Eric tells investigators that he accidentally stabbed her. I
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: don't know how he tripped the knife on was in
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: his hands.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to explain it, stew If he is.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Not going to explain it sufficient, I mean.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: He's going to explain what he means by accidentally.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: He said he had pulled over to help Julie, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: she saw his knife, panicked and began kicking him, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that's when he stabbed her in the neck accidentally. Investigators
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: are not buying this story. And he was arrested and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: charged with capital murder.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Kara, Yes, And then they were able to send that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: pubic hair off and like back then. Of course they
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: didn't have DNA and stuff with that, but they were
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: able to like do like under a microscope and compare
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and they could bring it back to.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Which way now is not scientifically proven anymore. Okay, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: don't know scopic hero follicles.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know the full testing that they did, Steward.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: They just said they were able to compare it and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: it was it doesn't matter.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: He did it. It was similar Julie.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: He did it. He did it?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Are we sure?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yes? So anyway, so then he tried to uh, they
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: found out from the sister later on that he had
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: tried to get her to discard some of the evidence
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and things like that, and then he he had told
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: them a similar story, I believe, and so during his
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: trial he tried to get he used the same story
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he was trying to use. The defense was trying to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: use the accidental stabbing of her and everything like.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: That, an accidental throat sliding.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, accidental throat sliding. But it obviously did not pan
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: out for him, and he had been he had actually
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: been released. He had beat two women in Oklahoma, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he had just been released like not too long before,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and so whenever he went on trial for this one,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they actually went for the death penalty and he was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: found guilty and sentenced to death, and they actually put
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: him to death because they were like, this guy is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: like a.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Violent offender person.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, he shouldn't have been let out after he beat
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the two people in Oklahoma.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: But should have got his twenty thirty years back then
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: for that one, yes, and he wouldn't have been out
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to kill George.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I think he was one of those things where he
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was released early due to overcrowding or something like that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You know it is.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Then he really got this guy that was selling some
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: fake Louis Vauton bags in the parking lot. We got
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to make room to get him in there. So we're
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: gonna let this vile and offender out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Back then, I remember it was. It was like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: late eighties or early nineties. They had a lot of
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that overcrowding bs that they were letting people out. In
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Texas too. There's you hear a lot a lot of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: people that were very violent and they were let out
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and then they recommitted.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because at Texas you didn't even used to be
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: able to carry a handgun. That came about after the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: If anybody's listening to this, After the Loobies, there was
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: lots of testimony before Texas is like, all right, everybody
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: can carry guns again. Okay, the Loubi's massacre, No, because
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the one lady who was there with her parents, her
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: gun was out in the car because she wasn't licensed
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to carry it in the Lobies. So she would have
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: she might have taken care of business had she not
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: been abidened by the law and had her gun in
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: the Loubies.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, well we don't we don't know what would have happened.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying she would have had it in there. Okay,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: things could have ended differently.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Anyways, he was there, was I was looking.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You don't sound certain.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: He was put to death in He was put to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: death on November twenty eight, two thousand and five, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: his last meal was two bacon cheeseburgers, French fries, two
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: pikes of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, and two
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Coca colas. He made no last statement. It was lethal injection.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: He did have a stay order for temporarily by Justice
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas to give him more time to review the case,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but that stay was vacated and also appears.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Was it a mental thing, like they were going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: try and say he was mentally unstable.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he did go check himself in the mental hospital,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if he was mentally unwell or
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: if he just did that to try to Yes, he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: might have just been. He might have just been a.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Terrible craft motherfucker. Well he was a craft. He was
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a terrible motherfucker.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, that's what happened. So and it was
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: like really messed up malv And for years to come,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: because this was a small town, and this is like
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: they never thought anything. Of course, nobody ever thinks anything
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: like this will happen.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things that have gone on there
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, that's crazy that that happened. Yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean we had that shooting in the theater theater,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the Mickey showing thing. Yeah, and then that guy that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: got drunk and he was driving the wrong way on
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the highway and took out those three children and almost
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the mom.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So all right, well that is our case
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: for the week. Stew Do you have a y'all need Jesus?
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Of course I do.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, Stew. Then we're not We're in a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: closet again. Okay, what do you want from me?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I want you to quit banging your microphone.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Corda No, I need a quieter seat. I'm in a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lawn chair. Talk about lawn chairs. I'm in a fold
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: up lawn chair that's squeaky and everything you move it
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: clicks squeaks, and then my microphone I'm having to hold
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it and so every time I move the wrong way,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I might hit the stem of the microphone. I'm tired.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Tell me your woes. I will later after I'm asleep.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Why up? Busted fast food employee accused of identity theft
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: turns herself in. I know it's vague, Okay, well I
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: don't know where you're gonna get a Florida not Florida
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: out of that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to go not Florida.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The New Non Times Harold clay Neely February twenty fourth,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. A Whataburger employee accused of using a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: customer's debit card to pay her probation fees, has turned
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: herself into authorities. Karra Alifa Sumpter twenty five of new
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I want to say Newman, but it's new Nan is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: now in.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Customer So where's nown in? What state? Is this?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Umm?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You don't know.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I did. I saw it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But is it not Florida.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It's not Florida. I think it's Georgia.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well look it up.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You look it up.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, but it's not Florida. I was right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Alifa Sumter twenty five of Noonan is now in custody
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and faces multiple felony charges, including probation violation, financial tragedy,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: transaction card fraud, and identity fraud. She's being held without
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: bond Kara. The incident occurred on January thirty first, when
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a customer visited Waburger and noonan New nine Yes, New
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Nan and later discovered that his debit card had been
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: used to pay four hundred dollars in probation fees and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: fines to the Koweta kawita kowita.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Oh that's how you pronounce it in Oklahoma.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Oh County State Court Probation Office. According to police, Sumter
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was working at the restaurant that day when the customer
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: handed her his debit card while in the drive through.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: She took the card inside for about ninety seconds before
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: returning it. The customer later noticed the unauthorized charge and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: reported it. When questioned by investigator, Sumter initially claimed that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a coworker had used the card. However, a search weren't
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: for a restaurants records confirmed that Sumpter was on duty
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: at the time. The victim later identified her in a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: photo lineup. She was previously charged with misdemeanor marijuana possession
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: at December twenty twenty four. She had agreed to turn
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: herself in care on February twenty one, but failed to
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: do so. Police later received information that she may have
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: fled to Florida. There you go. Though she ultimately surrendered
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: on the Wednesday, she remains in custody in the county
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Poe Poe.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, she had just listened to that Taylor Swift song,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the one from her last album Florida, And they're like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that's where you go to wait out your try to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: hide from your life.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait after your statute of limitations. Yes, yes, so
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: she's on probation, got a pair of probation fees. So
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: she commits felony identity.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Theft someone Okay, well someone that reminds me of the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: time that someone stole my debit card information and bought
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: calling cards for the prison. They were calling the prison
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: with the with the or using those to call out
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of the prison or whatever.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Did they catch them, and they don't do anything. These
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: people evidently they care over here in this.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Cap Okay, well they do over there. Made because she
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: probably because she paid the program, and they're like, well
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: we got to look into this one. No, they don't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: care anything. I had someone who made a copy of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: my debit card and was trying to use it at
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Chili's in Houston, and I tried to track that ship
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: down and it didn't. They don't care.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It's been a good hour of your time trying.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: To call different managers in the area to find out
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: because the bank wouldn't even tell me which one it was.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the This is why they keep
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: doing this because nobody chases anything down. It's like, so
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: they continue to.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Do publicly shamed at least.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, and if you have them at a Chili's and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you have a if you have a Chilis and you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: have video camera, I feel like you could easily find
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: out who did that, and they probably doing it to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a lot more people and everything like that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all about lopping off hands and executing people
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: for identity theft.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know yours do.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Well. They can steal your entire life, savings, your fall, They.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Can steal your house and everything.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, according to the commercial that can commercial.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yep. Anyways, all right, well that is our case for
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: this week. We will not be here next week. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: don't think. I'm not. No, I'm not. I gotta we
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: gotta take a chill pill. I need a chill. I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: gotta do my watercolor stuff.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get ahead and we'll record some stuff that
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for the news. Well, that's what we always say, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: then we never do.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: We never do, so we won't be here first. So
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you guys have a great Christmas, and I'll probably put
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: out an old episode where we cover something Christmasy or something.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put out a Ronald Gene Simmons poetry that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we did a lot time. I wrote a poem about
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Ronald Gene Simmons because he did Murder's entire family at
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Christmas time. So I did write a limerick something like that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It all rhymed, and we read it. Maybe I'll find it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe we could record it again because it's probably terrible audio.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I'd have to find it though. I'll have to see
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: if I have what is terrible audio.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Whatever we do, it's not terrible audio. We have good
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: audio now, Stewart, we're in the closet. We got these
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: nice microphones. I got the little thingy that you're supposed
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to plug the stuff into. It's we're not pretty plugged
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: directly into the computer anymore. I did things, okay. Anyways,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: go check out patreon dot com. You get the episodes
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours early and at free, and you get
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to shoot the poos each week. We pretty much do
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: them each week unless something really.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Just somebody gets anice urging or something.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And then we have and then we have uh oh, Instagram, Facebook,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: TikTok go check those out and you can see what
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: we're having for dinner every night.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: YouTube are on the YouTube.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we are on the YouTube. I was gonna say, yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I am going to try to start. I know people
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: have asked me about the recipes for the food that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I cook. So it's just like it's a lot, guys, Okay,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: just got a lot going on. So I would hopefully
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: one day I can start sharing the recipes.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe tonight instead of doing watercolor and you could.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing I'm not giving up my hot chocolate
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in my water colors. Sorry, guys, I'm really into it
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: right now. It's what I look forward to at the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: end of the night.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: She wants to go put these children down right now
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the afternoon.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: But I would have tucked in for the night.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Though, so you can move on with your nighttime or two.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my night. But then I'd definitely have to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: go buy a new watercolor book because I'm i only
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: got four more to paint, but the little bookstore in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: town has more to go there today. No, I'm not
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: going to go there. It's too I got too much
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to do. Do you too much money? Anyways? All right, well,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I guess we will see you next time. By everyone,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: say bye, Steve.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be supersticious by nothing else.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: It's working, and it's really learning and sick. It's worthy.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I can