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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday where he fairs. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: and now number fifteen World Acts throwing people to watch.
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Speaker 1: Jay Peace, Shad welcome in. It's Wednesday, Jaguars Happy Hour,
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Speaker 1: j P. Shadrick, John Oser, senior writer Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks NFL media analysts. And here we are
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Speaker 1: in the off season. We've got a lot to discuss
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Speaker 1: this week. We've got coordinator hires, reported position coach hires
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Speaker 1: to to delve through all the reports. Nothing official as
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Speaker 1: of the taping of this podcast. Some senior Bowl standouts.
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Speaker 1: Both you guys are in Mobile but now, Bucky, you
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Speaker 1: were in l A. But we'll cover that in just
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Speaker 1: a moment. The quarterback off season carousel has already started
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Speaker 1: around the league and Super Bowl is Here is Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl Week and the Chiefs are joining the COVID list
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Speaker 1: because of haircuts. But get into that coming up, all right, guys,
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Speaker 1: Urban meyern I wanted an elite staff and their names
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Speaker 1: popping out now reported names again, nothing official until the
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Speaker 1: team announces it. But the reporters are Daryl bevil Is
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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer the passing game coordinator, and quarterbacks. Coach.
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Speaker 1: Let's start there on offense, guys. This is where the
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Speaker 1: focus will be in the off season because of the
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Speaker 1: quarterback situation, Bucky. So these really have to be right now.
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Speaker 1: They do have to be right. I think what's interesting,
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Speaker 1: um when you bring on Daryl Bebo, and I think
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Speaker 1: it's important to lump and Brian's Schottenheimer. I think it's
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Speaker 1: important for Jaguars fan to understand that both of these
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Speaker 1: coordinators have had success working with young quarterbacks. If you
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Speaker 1: go back and look at Daryl Belbo obviously in Seattle
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Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson and how this team, that team was
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Speaker 1: able to get to the Super Bowl with a young
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Speaker 1: quarterback who was playing more as a game manager early
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Speaker 1: who evolved into being a playmaker later in his career.
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Speaker 1: If you go to the Jets, this name is going
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Speaker 1: to make maybe some guys cringe. But Brian Schottenheimer was
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Speaker 1: on that stuff. I think when they had Mark Sanchez
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Speaker 1: and what they did with Mark Sanchez when they went
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Speaker 1: to a couple of ANFC championship games and those things.
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Speaker 1: And so to me, what his signals is that Urban
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Speaker 1: has a plan for how they're going to play early.
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a run heavy team that
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Speaker 1: plays physically, and they're gonna try and teach the quarterback
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Speaker 1: to make sure they take care of the football. But
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Speaker 1: if you do those things, you can win a lot
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Speaker 1: of games. JP. You can cringe all you want at
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Speaker 1: the name Mark Sanchez, but you know I covered Colts
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Speaker 1: teams uh when Sanchez was young that lost to Mark
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Speaker 1: Sanchez and the Jets when he was I don't know
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Speaker 1: if he was playing at a high level, but they
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Speaker 1: were winning with it, so clearly Schottenheimer knows what he's
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Speaker 1: doing on that front. I thought it was interesting the mix, meaning,
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Speaker 1: you know, they can all do everything, but Bevil is
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Speaker 1: a little bit more known for being a run guy,
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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer more for being a past guy. A good balance there.
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Speaker 1: It certainly sounds like Schottenheimer will be, you know, quarterback
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Speaker 1: coach slash passing game coordinator. Doesn't sound like they're hiring
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Speaker 1: a true quarterbacks coach. Schottenheimer is a guy. He's been
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Speaker 1: around the league long enough where he's certainly deserves more
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Speaker 1: of a title than straight quarterbacks coach if you're going
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Speaker 1: to play that. I don't know that they care that
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Speaker 1: much about titles, but it's you know, all of the
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Speaker 1: concern when Urban was first hired was the whole college coach,
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Speaker 1: college coach college. Well, this is an experienced staff now,
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Speaker 1: you know. I assume that he will be listening and
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Speaker 1: telling these guys, hey, tell me what I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You guys are the NFL guys. He's got a lot
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Speaker 1: of NFL experience to tell him what he doesn't know.
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Speaker 1: You have a bunch of low ego guys. I can
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Speaker 1: say this about having known Bryan since he was younger.
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Speaker 1: Obviously I played for his dad, Marty in Kansas City.
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Speaker 1: He understands what winning looks like. And I think when
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Speaker 1: you go all the way back and you put it
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Speaker 1: all together, all of these coaches have come from winning
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Speaker 1: programs and they went at a high level. I would
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Speaker 1: say Revel and Shotenheimer probably exposed their most winning in Seattle.
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Speaker 1: But they understand what it looks like. And I think
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Speaker 1: as Urban is kind of kind of filling his way
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Speaker 1: around the NFL game, they certainly can help him in
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Speaker 1: that regard. But I don't think you can underestimate the
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Speaker 1: amount of experience that they're going to have on that
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Speaker 1: side of the ball, and also in that quarterback room.
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Speaker 1: I think for a young quarterback who is bright or whatever,
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Speaker 1: I think they will help him transition very very quickly
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Speaker 1: to being able to play it right away. They've also
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Speaker 1: got guys JP who have worked with each other and Bucky,
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Speaker 1: you may no more detail about this than I do,
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Speaker 1: but correct me if I'm wrong. Bevil Schottenheimer, wide receivers,
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Speaker 1: coach have been together, They've been on staffs bare minimum.
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Speaker 1: They know each other. How important is that sort of knowledge, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: when you're trying to put together a staff. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: think I think it's very important because you want to
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Speaker 1: make sure that everyone is speaking the same language. I
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Speaker 1: think the one thing that is really clear, especially if
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Speaker 1: you have a young team, because remember the Jacks are
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Speaker 1: very very young, you don't want mixed messages in different
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Speaker 1: position rooms. You don't want one person saying one thing
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna call it this way, and another person
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Speaker 1: saying something else and it's termed a different way. You
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Speaker 1: want everyone to be on the same page. And I
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Speaker 1: will give credit um to Urban for putting together a
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Speaker 1: staff where every there there's a level of synergy from everybody.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the offensive of the ball, but even
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Speaker 1: on defense, there's a level of compatibility and everyone kind
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Speaker 1: of understands it. I think early on, when you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with young guys, you want the coaches to be able
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Speaker 1: to stand in the front of the the room very confidently
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Speaker 1: and do the teaching so that everybody understand it and
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Speaker 1: you don't have any gray areas or or vagueness to
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Speaker 1: what is being asked and installed. I had one more
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Speaker 1: question for Bucky JP if go yeah, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we followed teams JP and I followed the league, but
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Speaker 1: most of our studying is about the Jaguars, So I
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Speaker 1: know Bevil, uh. I don't know personally Schottenheimer. I haven't
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Speaker 1: talked to him since I was covering with the University
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Speaker 1: of Florida when he first transferred there. I did a
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Speaker 1: story on it, which makes me old and you know,
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Speaker 1: frankly him old too. But define what Bevil's gonna bring
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Speaker 1: in terms of everybody associates him with Seahawks offense, you know,
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Speaker 1: but what would you say that he's bringing to the
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Speaker 1: table that Urban loves. You know, here's the thing, like
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Speaker 1: now everything is so blended. I would say both of
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Speaker 1: these guys no West Coast offense and some way shape
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Speaker 1: or form, they've kind of moved away from that. If
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Speaker 1: they as they've gotten more experienced in the National Football League,
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Speaker 1: they know the running game and they understand how to
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Speaker 1: marry the run game, but the past game, which is
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Speaker 1: very very important because for the defense you want it
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Speaker 1: all to look alike. I think their experienced with young quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: they understand how to take some of the pressure off
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Speaker 1: of the quarterback in terms of how they call the game.
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Speaker 1: The thing that would be interesting as we get closer
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Speaker 1: to it if we ever get privy to the play
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Speaker 1: calls in the verbage In the past, I know Schottenheimer
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Speaker 1: and Beba like their play calls could be very verbose,
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Speaker 1: and you just wonder have they evolved to the point
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Speaker 1: where they've been able to cut some of that down
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Speaker 1: so guys can play fast and free without having to
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Speaker 1: learn all of the extra stuff that each and every
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Speaker 1: term signifies when you use it in a play call.
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Speaker 1: Gruden with hopefully, hopefully not hopefully they learn how to
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Speaker 1: scale it back, because the key to getting the young
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Speaker 1: guys to play fast is so they can just understand it,
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Speaker 1: they can get it and they can go and with
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Speaker 1: so many young players, it's different when you have a
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Speaker 1: veteran skills that skill set of players, or a veteran
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Speaker 1: offensive line, and in a young quarterback, that's one thing,
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Speaker 1: but everybody's young, like they all the babies and newbies,
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Speaker 1: So you just want to make sure that everyone can
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Speaker 1: understand it so they can have to ground running when
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Speaker 1: they do take take the field. All right, let's look
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Speaker 1: to the defensive side now. Joe Cullen is reportedly the
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and a former defensive line coach here in
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville's last year was my first season here, John, I
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Speaker 1: think your second season back here. You can hear him
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Speaker 1: a mile away. He's got a distinctive approach and voice,
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Speaker 1: and he's been a d line coach ever since then.
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Speaker 1: Before then obviously in the NFL, this is his first
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Speaker 1: go around as a coordinator, and John, it's good to
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Speaker 1: see him back around in this environment and I'm curious
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Speaker 1: how that will translate to the front of the defensive
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Speaker 1: room for the first time. John, Well, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt and I'm not in I'm not
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Speaker 1: in meetings every No, I didn't play the game, but
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Speaker 1: if if you're around coaches, you get a feel for
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Speaker 1: guys who are going to be comfortable in front of
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Speaker 1: the room. Look, the only reason Joe Colin hasn't been
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Speaker 1: a coordinator already is the off field stuff, which everybody
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Speaker 1: who follows this note He's more than qualified. This chance
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Speaker 1: to be a coordinator is long overdue for him. I
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Speaker 1: have no doubt that he can get in the room.
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Speaker 1: You know, I know from football people that I talked to,
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Speaker 1: from guys who can watch tape and study x AS
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Speaker 1: and knows he is in an above good, elite pass
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Speaker 1: rushing coach. What I care about with the coach are
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Speaker 1: his guys going to respond to him? Are they going
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Speaker 1: to buy in? If you've met Joe Colin once, you
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Speaker 1: know players are gonna love playing for him, Absolutely love
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Speaker 1: playing for him. But it's not like he's soft on
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Speaker 1: him JP. This is a guy who was built to
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Speaker 1: be a coach. He can be tough on guys. Players
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Speaker 1: love him. Players are fiercely loyal to this man. I
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Speaker 1: have no doubt he can coach pass rush. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: have his eye on that part of it. But to me,
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Speaker 1: you know, I would be stunned if Joe Colin is
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Speaker 1: not a high end level defensive coordinator. This guy was
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Speaker 1: born for this job, and it's overdue, not John. I
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Speaker 1: think John brings up great points in terms of the
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Speaker 1: de leicship ability. Coming from Baltimore. They're going to have
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Speaker 1: all the tricks and gadgets up front to really be
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Speaker 1: able to attack, pass protection, stop to run, and do
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Speaker 1: those things. I think everyone who has come out of
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Speaker 1: that Baltimore system understands how to really tricked the offense
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Speaker 1: against the run and the past. The most important person
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Speaker 1: on this defensive staff will be whoever is responsible for
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Speaker 1: the secondary. I know it's been reported that Chris ash
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Speaker 1: may come. Typically defensive coordinators come from either linebacker spots
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Speaker 1: or secondary spots because they look at the game from
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Speaker 1: back to front. And because the NFL is a pass
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Speaker 1: heavy game, you have to be able to make sure
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Speaker 1: that you have coverage. And so because um as John
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Speaker 1: alluded to, he Joe come is gonna be so focused
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Speaker 1: on the front, someone has to make sure that they're
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Speaker 1: able to tie in the back in the coverage to
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Speaker 1: fit what his imagination is dreaming up for what they
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Speaker 1: want to do with the front seven. And so the
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Speaker 1: secondary coach, if they hire an additional cornerbacks coach, they
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Speaker 1: have to be great teachers, and they also have to
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Speaker 1: be great tacticians because they have to sit in the
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Speaker 1: room when the coaches are getting together and make sure
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Speaker 1: that it all marries and that it sound because you know,
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Speaker 1: the play calls on the other side of the field
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Speaker 1: are also great when it comes to the X and os. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's the other trick to once they get into
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Speaker 1: the personnel side of this thing, it's not like there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of experience back there that's going to be back.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Henderson's in the second year, he didn't play much.
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Speaker 1: Who knows about d J. Hayden the safeties, uh what,
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Speaker 1: they had eleven different lineups in the secondary last year. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know that's you know, know what's gonna be out
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Speaker 1: there to work with. No, that's that's that That's why
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Speaker 1: it's going to be really really interesting because when urban
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Speaker 1: Meyer was at Ohio State, and I know the game
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Speaker 1: isn't the same in terms of college to the pro,
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Speaker 1: but one of the things that they wanted to do
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Speaker 1: is they evolved from being a team that played man
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Speaker 1: to man all the time where they're playing like quarters
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Speaker 1: cover four will He talked about where your corners are
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Speaker 1: pressed and they're kind of locked up on their guy
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Speaker 1: and then the safeties are hovering around ninety yards from
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Speaker 1: the box to being more of a cover three team,
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Speaker 1: a vision and break team. Meaning if you can envision
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Speaker 1: what the Indianapolis Coast did where they played zone as
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Speaker 1: on the quarterback, athletic players reacting to the vision of
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Speaker 1: the quarterback and making quick reactions, that's what they evolved to.
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Speaker 1: Which version of coverage and defense will we see with
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Speaker 1: this young team? In my mind, because they're so young,
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Speaker 1: it has to be something that's fairly easy for them
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Speaker 1: to digest and you can kind of rick it up
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Speaker 1: with your pre snap disguises. What you want the scheme
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Speaker 1: to be very very easy for them to understand so
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Speaker 1: they can play fast. Yeah, I wonder JP and Bucky.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how these guys will look
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Speaker 1: at it, because we really haven't talked to very many
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Speaker 1: people to to know what they think about personnel, and
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Speaker 1: they're not even into personnel yet. But C. J. Henderson,
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Speaker 1: you would think as a starter beyond that in the secondary,
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Speaker 1: you know. I I'm not saying the guys who were
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Speaker 1: here now can't start, but I don't think there's anybody
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Speaker 1: who's a lot to be a starter in this secondary.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps C. J. Henderson, although he played what six seven
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Speaker 1: games JP, you assume he's a lot because the draft position.
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Speaker 1: You assume he's a lot because of talent. Beyond that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think all bets are off back there.
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Speaker 1: So I agree with Bucky whoever is coaching those guys,
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Speaker 1: the ability to mesh what the rest of the defense
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Speaker 1: is doing, but the ability to make sure these guys
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Speaker 1: can play and come in because you're gonna be dealing
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Speaker 1: with But I would assume you would sign at least
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Speaker 1: one guy back there. I'd be surprised if there's not
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Speaker 1: a safety veteran safety sign. But it's all gonna be new.
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Speaker 1: There's that could be any cohesion with this bunch, you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't think. So it's uh that area. To me, They've
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Speaker 1: got two areas to build a defensive tackle and maybe
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Speaker 1: the entire secondary. Yeah. Now, the good thing in this
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Speaker 1: year's draft, like there are a number of young cornerbacks
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Speaker 1: and stuff that you can find. But in looking I
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Speaker 1: was I was looking up some notes that I had
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Speaker 1: on Chris Ash like I would anticipate you can see
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Speaker 1: a lot of man to man in the back end,
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Speaker 1: some form of it, like we can think about quarters
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Speaker 1: in those things. Because the Baltimore Ravens did a lot
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Speaker 1: of that um kind of stuff with the players that
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Speaker 1: they had. Marlon Humphrey was pressed up a lot. You
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Speaker 1: would see Marcus Peters playoff, but it was a lot
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Speaker 1: of man to man coverage, and so that means you
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Speaker 1: have to really be committed to getting a level athletes.
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Speaker 1: There are some who would tell you that man to
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Speaker 1: man is probably the easiest thing to teach because it's
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Speaker 1: a cat defense. You've got that cat and wherever he goes,
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Speaker 1: you follow. So then it's a matter of of of
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Speaker 1: kind of understanding how to handle the pics and those things.
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Speaker 1: The New England pages have done it for years, and
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Speaker 1: they've done it with lesser athletes because that's what they do.
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Speaker 1: They live in it. And so when you think about
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Speaker 1: Urban Miri and those relationships, he may want to put
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Speaker 1: in something that's pretty simple to install, and you just
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Speaker 1: really work on getting better through repetition and trying to
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Speaker 1: bring in a level athletes to play in those respective
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Speaker 1: positions outside. Is it easier Bucky to quote play fast
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Speaker 1: and man when you're a kid? Um? I think so,
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Speaker 1: And I think it's easy to play fast and man
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Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Um, when you play man the Man,
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Speaker 1: it can take a toll on your legs because every
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Speaker 1: day in practice you're running around, you're chasing the GPS
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Speaker 1: is going to go bananas because you just you're just
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Speaker 1: running a track meet every day. But when you have young,
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Speaker 1: fresh legs, you can do that. And when you play
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Speaker 1: man the Man, what you do is you eliminate some
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Speaker 1: of the easy throws that we see teams living with,
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Speaker 1: some of the bubble screens, some of the r p
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Speaker 1: O stuff. It takes part away. And so if you
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Speaker 1: can get another player, so you have C. J. Henderson
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Speaker 1: on one side, you're going to get another man to
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Speaker 1: man corner, whether that's a veteran or a young guy.
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Speaker 1: You put those guys in and normally when you try
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Speaker 1: and play this style, your two best players are your
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks and then you build other nine guys after that.
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Speaker 1: And so that's what Urban did it Ohio State, That's
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Speaker 1: what he did at Florida. It's always worked for him.
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Speaker 1: Of later those big profile things, I think he certainly
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Speaker 1: want to see if you can do that initially in
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville and then if they have to change their change.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's probably the mindset coming into it.
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Speaker 1: You can get corners this year at thirty three, right,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, you can get corners, and the thing will be, um,
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Speaker 1: do you want long corners, ranging corners? What style corner
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Speaker 1: do you want? But you absolutely can get those guys.
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Speaker 1: I meant three, they're going to have their picks. So
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Speaker 1: it's a good time to do it. And we kind
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Speaker 1: of have to be able to live with some of
16:52
Speaker 1: the growing pains early when you have a bunch of
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Speaker 1: young guys on the field, because they're going to make
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Speaker 1: their mistakes. But as Irvin said, if I can make
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Speaker 1: it where they're playing, we're letting this effort and they're
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Speaker 1: playing fast. They can't overcome some of their mistakes with
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Speaker 1: their effort. All right, This Jack Bars Happy Hour on
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Speaker 1: a Wednesday. J P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier. By
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Speaker 1: the way, should we keep this named happy Hour? I
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Speaker 1: think this thing aired at eight am, so I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Somewhere somewhere in the world, right, what what shall we
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Speaker 1: name this? Johnny gotta the ideas well. I'm not very happy,
17:31
Speaker 1: so it's uh. I've always struggled with the name to
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Speaker 1: start with. Um, Yeah, I hadn't thought about it whole.
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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's really an opportunity. I think we should
17:41
Speaker 1: lean on Bucky's expertise. I think we should play something
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Speaker 1: off that name. I mean, he is the guy, he's
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Speaker 1: the star of the show. Star. I don't I don't know.
17:49
Speaker 1: We can't use sticks because that part is brand No.
17:53
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of feel like I kind
17:56
Speaker 1: of feel like I kind of feel like we're in
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Speaker 1: a huddle. How about the season behind the Oh no,
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Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. We did it all
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Speaker 1: last year. We did it all last year. We don't
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Speaker 1: want to be behind the change anymore. We don't have
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Speaker 1: to be in a two minutes the entire moving forward.
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Speaker 1: We're moving forward. Okay, Well, here's all we'll do. We'll
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Speaker 1: throw somebody's out in like a Twitter poll and see
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Speaker 1: what the people think, and then we'll come back next
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Speaker 1: week with a different We've got a few more topics
18:23
Speaker 1: to get to today before we get out of here. Um,
18:27
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. You guys are both covering the Senior Bowl. John,
18:30
Speaker 1: you were over there, Urban and Trent Bulky we're not
18:33
Speaker 1: over there, but you're over there. And a lot of
18:36
Speaker 1: Jaguars scouts obviously were involved over there this week Bucky
18:40
Speaker 1: were covering on television from that room you're in right now.
18:44
Speaker 1: I think was a different angle different, right, I mean,
18:48
Speaker 1: how different is that when you're covering it but you're
18:52
Speaker 1: not even there. Uh, it was a lot different. But
18:55
Speaker 1: I will say this JP, I was a lot warmer.
18:58
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about out what's the daily
19:01
Speaker 1: weather report going to be? Like? I just clicked on
19:03
Speaker 1: the light, turned on the monitor, and I was able
19:05
Speaker 1: to watch practice. It looked like it was pretty though,
19:08
Speaker 1: Like the weather looked like it was nice. Um the
19:10
Speaker 1: new stadium that they played in Man nice. That was
19:14
Speaker 1: a nice stadium. So it was cool. I mean, it
19:17
Speaker 1: was good to see. I'm actually excited that they were
19:19
Speaker 1: able to get it done because I was one of
19:21
Speaker 1: those that I couldn't imagine how they were going to
19:24
Speaker 1: make it happen with all the NFL personnel coming in,
19:27
Speaker 1: all of the players coming from all over the country.
19:29
Speaker 1: But they over there, they were able to do it,
19:31
Speaker 1: and to do it without a hit. She was pretty good.
19:34
Speaker 1: Tell you how they did it. Yeah, And a few
19:37
Speaker 1: thoughts because I come at it from a different angle
19:39
Speaker 1: when we go to the Steamer Bowl JP. As you know,
19:42
Speaker 1: we are there and we talked to some of the
19:44
Speaker 1: college players, but we're really not watching that event the
19:49
Speaker 1: same way maybe Bucky is. It's why it's so important
19:52
Speaker 1: to have Bucky, you know, involved, was because he's watching players,
19:56
Speaker 1: he's breaking down film, he's watching these guys in the field.
19:59
Speaker 1: When we're there, we're pursuing Jaguar stories. So most of
20:03
Speaker 1: what I did the Senior Bowls, you know, j P
20:06
Speaker 1: talk to people about the Jaguars, trying to talk to
20:08
Speaker 1: some UH scouts, people who understand the game and can
20:14
Speaker 1: provide that insight. Most years we wind up talking to
20:17
Speaker 1: Bucky over there. You know. So you've been up. I
20:20
Speaker 1: just logged up this podcast insider tip. I just almost
20:27
Speaker 1: logged off, so um. But I can tell you why
20:30
Speaker 1: it worked because the NFL people involved, we're committed to
20:35
Speaker 1: making it work. And what I mean by that is
20:37
Speaker 1: for fans who've never been there, the Senior Bowl is
20:40
Speaker 1: what I call it garb Fest, meaning you can't walk
20:44
Speaker 1: down the streets of Mobile and not see people in
20:46
Speaker 1: their NFL guarden. And I'm talking from the time you
20:50
Speaker 1: wake up anytime they're not at practice, you're you're seeing
20:53
Speaker 1: on the streets of Mobile. We all know because we've
20:55
Speaker 1: been there. You see them out at night, if you're eating,
20:58
Speaker 1: you see them hanging out. It is a convention and
21:00
Speaker 1: there's a couple of night spots that I've never been
21:03
Speaker 1: to JP. I think it's a couple of I don't
21:05
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Yeah, but you go in there.
21:09
Speaker 1: Most years it is packed. Credit to the NFL, credit
21:13
Speaker 1: to the coaches involved. I was there two nights and
21:17
Speaker 1: it was eerie, guys to see that place. I walked
21:21
Speaker 1: down to the Establishment Beats, which is the most popular place.
21:26
Speaker 1: I went down to the Establishment in in my hotel
21:30
Speaker 1: and it was vacant. There was not so these guys
21:34
Speaker 1: stayed distanced, they were not tempted. Whatever it was. So
21:39
Speaker 1: I think it was one positive test out of three
21:41
Speaker 1: thousand tests that they gave last week. So the NFL
21:45
Speaker 1: and the people involved did it right. That's how it worked.
21:48
Speaker 1: And uh, the only drawback I would see, and this
21:51
Speaker 1: is purely from you. Guys both know me. If it's
21:55
Speaker 1: good for me, it's good for me. Um. The eve
22:00
Speaker 1: out to the new stadium is a hike. Now, this
22:03
Speaker 1: is not glad. People's where you sort of go over
22:06
Speaker 1: there and if forced you can get a quick uber.
22:09
Speaker 1: You know you're driving at the South Alabama, which I
22:13
Speaker 1: didn't love, but really, j P, you cannot build an
22:17
Speaker 1: event around my laziness. The Old Shell Road in University
22:21
Speaker 1: is not close to downtown John and the dew Drop
22:24
Speaker 1: is on the way. They have a great cheeseburger by
22:26
Speaker 1: the Lace for next year. But it's a great event.
22:31
Speaker 1: And I'm with Bucky get his thoughts on this, because
22:33
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit last week Buck after I
22:35
Speaker 1: got back the the theme you heard last week and
22:40
Speaker 1: everybody involved and it turned into almost a cliche, was
22:43
Speaker 1: how important the Senior Bowl is this year because it's
22:45
Speaker 1: the only event. But it really is the only event,
22:49
Speaker 1: and it's a football event, and they were able to
22:53
Speaker 1: pull it off. I had one analyst tim me last
22:55
Speaker 1: week he would not be surprised if every Senior Bowl
22:59
Speaker 1: play or got drafted this year, and he was probably exaggerating,
23:04
Speaker 1: but the point was there's going to be a familiarity
23:06
Speaker 1: with these guys and and gms who were who were
23:09
Speaker 1: wanting not to make a mistake in this COVID time.
23:12
Speaker 1: They they may lean on guys that they've had their
23:15
Speaker 1: hands on, so to speak. Yeah, I agree with you.
23:17
Speaker 1: I agree with you, uh, John, because the familiarity being
23:21
Speaker 1: around those guys, seeing those guys on the field, um,
23:25
Speaker 1: it makes it different. Without the combine limited pro days
23:28
Speaker 1: and no access to private workouts. The Senior Bowl was
23:32
Speaker 1: the last time that you saw these guys run on
23:34
Speaker 1: the grass doing football stuff, and so that will weigh
23:38
Speaker 1: that lasting impression will really weigh heavily in the minds
23:41
Speaker 1: of evaluators when they have to make some of these
23:42
Speaker 1: tough decisions because it's in uneven playing field. Some guys played,
23:47
Speaker 1: other guys didn't. How do you juggle it? Those guys
23:51
Speaker 1: that you were able to see at the Senior Bowl,
23:53
Speaker 1: even those that were coming off COVID opt outs, they
23:56
Speaker 1: will have a bit of an advantage because of the
23:57
Speaker 1: last time that you saw ball and those guys were
23:59
Speaker 1: the ones that are at How much is the fact
24:03
Speaker 1: Buck that yeah, I'm sorry JP interrupted you, but the
24:07
Speaker 1: fact that the scouts weren't out You've scouted, You've been
24:11
Speaker 1: the frontline guy before. Scouts weren't on campus at all
24:15
Speaker 1: this year? Is that going to change things dramatically? Is
24:18
Speaker 1: there any thoughts on that Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna
24:21
Speaker 1: be a significant deal. Um, because you weren't able to
24:24
Speaker 1: get on campus unless you have like a roller deex
24:27
Speaker 1: of contacts where you can really figure out and piece
24:30
Speaker 1: together the background on all the prospects. It makes it very,
24:34
Speaker 1: very difficult. And because now more than ever, you need
24:37
Speaker 1: to know exactly who you're bringing into your locker room,
24:40
Speaker 1: understand how they fit the culture that you're attempting to build,
24:42
Speaker 1: Understand how they learn and their coach ability. You really
24:47
Speaker 1: have to have like a wealth of contacts and experience,
24:50
Speaker 1: and this this year will be the year where you
24:54
Speaker 1: see kinds of difference between the have the haves and
24:57
Speaker 1: the have nots when it comes to the evaluators. If
25:00
Speaker 1: you have a staff will evaluated guys who understand how
25:03
Speaker 1: to look at the tape and project our players can
25:05
Speaker 1: play um versus information gatherers. I think you have a
25:10
Speaker 1: huge advantage because you don't have the opportunity to do
25:12
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff that we've always done to
25:14
Speaker 1: kind of figure it out and to help us get
25:16
Speaker 1: it right at the end. So I got a quick
25:18
Speaker 1: question about scouting, and we've got a couple of other topics.
25:20
Speaker 1: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. It could be the last
25:22
Speaker 1: day it's called that. We'll get to that a little later.
25:24
Speaker 1: Twitter poll coming up. What what do you gather when
25:29
Speaker 1: you're scouting a football game in the stadium that you
25:33
Speaker 1: don't get when you're sitting at home watching tape? Why?
25:35
Speaker 1: Why is being at a game so important? Well, it's
25:39
Speaker 1: really important when it comes to quarterbacks. That's the most
25:42
Speaker 1: important position that you must scout live. A couple of
25:45
Speaker 1: things when I go scouter quarterback live, I want to
25:47
Speaker 1: see the arm talent. I want to get a feel
25:49
Speaker 1: for how stronger quarterback's arm is. Can you throw it
25:53
Speaker 1: through inclement conditions? Can you cut through the wind? Is
25:56
Speaker 1: different now in Jacksonville because you know, eight games a
25:58
Speaker 1: year should be fair nice when it comes to the
26:01
Speaker 1: weather and those things. But if you have to go
26:04
Speaker 1: on the road, if you have to play in Cleveland,
26:05
Speaker 1: if you have to play in New England or Buffalo,
26:08
Speaker 1: is your quarterback does he have enough arm strength to
26:10
Speaker 1: be able to fit it in the Other thing with quarterbacks,
26:14
Speaker 1: you want to see how they interact with coaches and players.
26:18
Speaker 1: Years ago, I forget what bowl game it was, but
26:20
Speaker 1: down in Birmingham, Paxton Lynch. When I went to see
26:23
Speaker 1: him in a bowl game, he said at one end
26:26
Speaker 1: and the rest of the team was all the way
26:28
Speaker 1: on the other. And he never really talked to the coaches.
26:31
Speaker 1: He didn't really interact with his teammates. And so for
26:34
Speaker 1: the quarterback who was expected to be after the gym
26:37
Speaker 1: and the head coach, he's the most important person on
26:40
Speaker 1: your team. He has to be able to engage. What's
26:43
Speaker 1: his body language like? How does he act after good plays?
26:46
Speaker 1: After bad plays? Does he appear to be communicated with
26:49
Speaker 1: his coaches and teammates? Those things matter for other guys.
26:53
Speaker 1: Is still some of the same stuff. How are they?
26:56
Speaker 1: Are they into the game? Are they not into the game?
26:58
Speaker 1: Are they alluse with their attitude? But seeing players live,
27:02
Speaker 1: particularly quarterbacks, is really important. In most teams. They won't
27:06
Speaker 1: let you put a final grade in on a quarterback
27:08
Speaker 1: unless you've actually seen him in action. Lock Birmingham Bowl,
27:12
Speaker 1: by the way, Auburn beat Memphis at Legion Field in Birmingham.
27:17
Speaker 1: Probably beat him to sleep too. He did not have
27:20
Speaker 1: He did not have a great day at the office.
27:24
Speaker 1: You did not have a you did not have a
27:26
Speaker 1: good look. He was he was kind of sucking and pouting.
27:29
Speaker 1: It wasn't a good look. I just remember, I remember
27:31
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27:36
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27:38
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Speaker 1: let's go Jaguars. Is Jaguars happy our The NFL quarterback
28:02
Speaker 1: carousel has already started to spend, and it's going really
28:06
Speaker 1: fast already. Oh my goodness, the trade, the Rams and
28:10
Speaker 1: the Lions. What in the world, Bucky, and we're only
28:13
Speaker 1: just beginning this thing. Well, I think, JP, what you're
28:17
Speaker 1: seeing is the importance of making sure that you have
28:19
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Now. Personally, I'm gonna say this is the
28:24
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes effect. I think what you're seeing is if
28:28
Speaker 1: you're on a team and you're looking at your quarterback
28:31
Speaker 1: and you're trying to envision your quarterback engage in a
28:34
Speaker 1: shoot up with the Kansas City Chiefs. Is your quarterback
28:37
Speaker 1: good enough to knock off Pat Mahomes in the Chiefs
28:41
Speaker 1: And if it's not, you have to think what do
28:43
Speaker 1: we have to do to put ourselves in a position
28:46
Speaker 1: to knock them off? And unfortunately for us, we're the
28:49
Speaker 1: a f C. So the gatekeeper to the Super Bowl
28:52
Speaker 1: will always be Pat Mahomes in the Kansas City Chiefs.
28:54
Speaker 1: So as you're building out your team and you look
28:57
Speaker 1: at not only Pat Mahomes, but Josh Allen, Mark Jackson,
29:01
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, so many young quarterbacks that are able to
29:05
Speaker 1: play and play at a high level, you have to
29:08
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can do it. In l A
29:10
Speaker 1: and Detroit, I think this is a situation where you
29:12
Speaker 1: have Sean McVeigh who was annointed as the offensive whiz kid.
29:16
Speaker 1: The plays look great the first two years when they
29:18
Speaker 1: were in the league, they were to talk of the town.
29:20
Speaker 1: They revolutionized the way that we were gonna think about
29:23
Speaker 1: offensive football. And then the funny thing happens that happens
29:25
Speaker 1: in the league. The league catches up and then the
29:29
Speaker 1: xs and ohs they didn't pop and come to life
29:32
Speaker 1: like they used to. And so like most kids, he
29:35
Speaker 1: threw that toy away. He wouldn't open up a new
29:38
Speaker 1: toy and Matthew Stafford and so it's very much like
29:42
Speaker 1: Christmas where you get rid of all the old toys
29:44
Speaker 1: and you're bringing a new one. And so he happened
29:46
Speaker 1: to get a new toy, Matthew Stafford, while the Rams
29:49
Speaker 1: decided that who needs to draft for the next four
29:52
Speaker 1: or five years, We'll just go get all the stars
29:56
Speaker 1: and we'll rock with it. So we'll see how it
29:58
Speaker 1: plays out. This is a it's gonna be a case
30:00
Speaker 1: study and team building in the next decade. Can you
30:03
Speaker 1: win without draft picks? Well, it's absolutely a case study.
30:07
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit different to Jalen Ramsey trade.
30:10
Speaker 1: To me, Uh made a little made a little more
30:16
Speaker 1: sense on the Rams part from a long term point
30:18
Speaker 1: of view, because they were trading form I forget how
30:21
Speaker 1: old Jalen was uh at the time, So you were
30:27
Speaker 1: giving up to what they thought would be late round picks,
30:31
Speaker 1: I mean the late first round picks for a player
30:34
Speaker 1: that you know, you pretty much knew what you were
30:37
Speaker 1: getting in Jalen Uh, some of that great JP some
30:42
Speaker 1: of that Yeah, okay, yes, yeah, yeah, you're yeah, it's
30:48
Speaker 1: a it's a full glass. But so but you knew
30:53
Speaker 1: exactly what you were getting and barring injury, you knew
30:56
Speaker 1: what level he was going to play at. Staffords a
30:59
Speaker 1: little bit different because of age, you know. Uh, I
31:03
Speaker 1: get why they did it, but he's exactly right. You
31:05
Speaker 1: must have a quarterback. And for them, they they believe
31:08
Speaker 1: they're a quarterback away, but a little older, Um, a
31:13
Speaker 1: little less of a knowledge of exactly what you're getting.
31:16
Speaker 1: I mean, he has played at a high level. Statistically,
31:18
Speaker 1: he's played a high level of times, hasn't gotten the
31:21
Speaker 1: team over the top. So you know, can he do that?
31:26
Speaker 1: Is he that guy? Certainly worth the gamble, had to
31:29
Speaker 1: make the gamble, but not as much of a sure
31:32
Speaker 1: thing as the Ramsey trade quarterback. Of course, Trump saw
31:36
Speaker 1: else in this league. You make moves like this when
31:39
Speaker 1: you feel like you've got a shot at a franchise quarterback.
31:42
Speaker 1: You're you're willing to gamble and give up much more
31:44
Speaker 1: when it's the quarterback position. Yeah, John, I think it's
31:48
Speaker 1: interesting because, um, this is a team when it comes
31:53
Speaker 1: to the first round picks. And I get this from
31:54
Speaker 1: Charlie Castley. Charlie Cassy says that first round picks hit
31:57
Speaker 1: about rate in terms of guys being a successful and
32:02
Speaker 1: productive starter at the end of four years. And if
32:05
Speaker 1: we even look at our our own experience down in Jacksonville,
32:08
Speaker 1: where we've had a ton of top ten picks, how
32:11
Speaker 1: many of those games, right, so, how many of those
32:15
Speaker 1: guys actually turned into players? And so it's almost like playing,
32:19
Speaker 1: let's make a deal, like what's behind during number one,
32:22
Speaker 1: two or three? And what do you want? Sometimes it's
32:25
Speaker 1: better to take the players. And I think as we
32:28
Speaker 1: take it back to Jacksonville, I wonder when it comes
32:31
Speaker 1: time to it with Urban, is Urban like one of
32:35
Speaker 1: those who leans towards stars or does he feel like
32:38
Speaker 1: a collection of good players can get you over the top.
32:42
Speaker 1: That is the difference in the college game, where you
32:44
Speaker 1: have a bunch of five stars, it's easy to hand
32:47
Speaker 1: it off to Ezekiel Elliott and all those guys Michael
32:50
Speaker 1: Thomas and whatever. But if you don't have that, can
32:53
Speaker 1: you play with some two and three stars and have
32:56
Speaker 1: a level of success. I wonder what he will lean
33:00
Speaker 1: towards coming out of that collegiate background. I could see
33:03
Speaker 1: Bucky dressed for let's make a deal and like a
33:05
Speaker 1: beer bear or whatever, like a like a chef for something,
33:09
Speaker 1: you know, Monty Hall calls on him. Yeah whatever, Wait
33:18
Speaker 1: wait wait Brady, alright, alright, I'm absolutely love it, love it. Alright,
33:27
Speaker 1: final thoughts here, We got three minutes left before Zoom
33:30
Speaker 1: kicks us off. So Super Bowl fifty five right around
33:34
Speaker 1: the corner in Tampa Bay Sunday. The Bucks the first
33:37
Speaker 1: team to play in their home stadium for a Super Bowl,
33:40
Speaker 1: facing the defending champion Chiefs, who can't even get a
33:43
Speaker 1: haircut without COVID knocking guys off at least early in
33:47
Speaker 1: the week. DeMarcus Robinson and Daniel Kilgore on the list.
33:51
Speaker 1: This week, Tom Brady has been alone watching film at home.
33:55
Speaker 1: It'll be twelve days just selling the kids have been
33:58
Speaker 1: out of there, Buck, Who do you like? I like
34:02
Speaker 1: the Kanna City Chiefs in this one because I think
34:04
Speaker 1: ultimately it comes down to the talent and the speed
34:07
Speaker 1: of the Kansas City Chiefs. They won their last twenty
34:11
Speaker 1: six Pat mahomes Is thirty eight and eight as a starter. Um,
34:15
Speaker 1: when they're rolling, I don't know how you I don't
34:18
Speaker 1: know how you contain them. And so I just think
34:20
Speaker 1: their firepower and the fact that the last time they
34:23
Speaker 1: played Tyrrek Hire went for two hundred plush yards in
34:25
Speaker 1: one quarter. Um. I think they're scary, and I think
34:29
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will try and play like a
34:32
Speaker 1: little slow down basketball. But if this game breaks into
34:35
Speaker 1: a fast break game, I don't think they can compete
34:38
Speaker 1: in it. So I just have to go to Kanna
34:39
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. They the Bucks would have to prove to
34:42
Speaker 1: me that they can knock them off because the Chiefs
34:43
Speaker 1: have just been too good. How about it, John, Yeah,
34:46
Speaker 1: I agree with Bucky and um in Kansas City wins it.
34:50
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating to me. I love the history of
34:52
Speaker 1: the game. Uh, the Chiefs all of a sudden, very
34:57
Speaker 1: quickly have a chance. To you repeat, which is it's
35:02
Speaker 1: almost been lost this year. Maybe it's because of COVID,
35:06
Speaker 1: maybe it's because everything else is going on. But this
35:09
Speaker 1: is a franchise. Now. Remember when Elway went from the
35:12
Speaker 1: guy who could never win the big one to all
35:15
Speaker 1: of a sudden in all time great because he won
35:16
Speaker 1: too at the end of his career, all of a sudden,
35:18
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, if he wins this, you know he was
35:23
Speaker 1: always the guy who was the greatest coach, who hadn't
35:26
Speaker 1: well now, all of a sudden, if he wins back
35:28
Speaker 1: to back, I get that it's my home story and
35:31
Speaker 1: my home is gonna be set up to be an
35:32
Speaker 1: all time great He's on his way there, But all
35:35
Speaker 1: of a sudden, this Chief's team twenty six like. But
35:38
Speaker 1: he said, you're talking some stratospheric numbers historically that there's
35:43
Speaker 1: really no sign they're gonna stop. They may be playing
35:46
Speaker 1: their way into some of the conversations that really only
35:49
Speaker 1: a few elite teams have had. So they gotta win it, obviously,
35:52
Speaker 1: But I think they win it, and I think all
35:54
Speaker 1: of a sudden, in a few years, we're looking back
35:56
Speaker 1: on this on this time as you know, eight time
36:01
Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't appreciate when it was going on. Historically,
36:04
Speaker 1: it's got a chance to be historic this franchise. I
36:06
Speaker 1: think this game is close until the Chiefs pull away
36:09
Speaker 1: with all those weapons. I'm not counting Tom Brady out well,
36:13
Speaker 1: you'd never do that. But I think in the fourth
36:16
Speaker 1: quarter of the speed and everything will take over for
36:18
Speaker 1: Kansas City and the Chiefs. Chiefs by ten, Okay, that's
36:23
Speaker 1: what I think Discord did I put out there was
36:25
Speaker 1: maybe thirty four um. I think It's one of those
36:28
Speaker 1: games that's entertaining because I think it's a back and
36:31
Speaker 1: forth game and much like last year, Knsy didn't play
36:33
Speaker 1: well in the Super Bowl. Then oh in the fourth quarter,
36:36
Speaker 1: Old pet Moles and I have time. But we had
36:42
Speaker 1: a minute, We got a minute. Could the Bucks slow
36:45
Speaker 1: it down the Patriots against the Ram's, you know one,
36:48
Speaker 1: remember that. I know it's a different era, but it
36:51
Speaker 1: almost seems like they may be able to pull that
36:52
Speaker 1: kind of thing off with Grady. I think they can.
36:54
Speaker 1: I think that they followed the blueprint at the Buffalo
36:56
Speaker 1: BeOS used in Week six, where they dare the Knsy
36:59
Speaker 1: the chief to run the ball as much as they
37:01
Speaker 1: can and then play really good red zone defense. I
37:04
Speaker 1: think that's the way that you have to play them.
37:06
Speaker 1: You cannot let the ball go over the top of
37:08
Speaker 1: the defense. They are the Golden State Warriors of the NFL.
37:12
Speaker 1: Don't let Steph Curry hitting any three points because it's
37:15
Speaker 1: excites the building. Make them shoot layups and all that
37:17
Speaker 1: other stuff. They can have all the layups and ducks
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Speaker 1: they want, but don't let them shoot threes because that's
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Speaker 1: the quickest way to get blown out of the building.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Oser, I'm J P. Shadrick. This is
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Speaker 1: jaguar Is Happy Hour. We'll see what it's called next week,
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Speaker 1: but thanks guys. We'll talk to you then.