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Inside The Birds Postgame Show Week 5: What Stoood Out--Broncos 21, Eagles 17 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Inside the Birds post game show.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher and I'm alongside Adam Kaplan and Wow,
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: I guess the expression is, Adam, if you play with
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: fire too many times, you will get burned. And that's
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: exactly what happens to the Philadelphia Eagles. Will once again
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: the Jeckelin hide offense and even defense. This time they're
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: up by fourteen points in the second half, they lose
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: as the Broncos come alive in the second half. The
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Eagles lose twenty one to seventeen, their first loss of
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: the year, and Adam, I think any realistic, objective, common
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: sense Eagles fan is watching this game and saying.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: This is what you have.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: This is what happens when you can't play a full
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: four quarters for several weeks in a row. And it's
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: pretty much been like that since the season opener.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they haven't played a complete game yet. Even brain Man,
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: who appeared to tweak something in the first half. He
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: had some punts and I'm sure he'd like to have
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: back in the second half after a couple of thunder
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: boomers in the first half, But overall, it was really
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: one of these situations where you love the aggressiveness of
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: the first half. They came out throwing and they made
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: a number of plays. Now, I like how they got
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: out of hurts his hands quickly into the past RPOs
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: that we're back in this game. I stopped counting, but
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: it seemed like they had two dozen of them. That
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: at a lot of RPO plays and the pop pass,
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: which is the old Chip Kelly play, just get out
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: of the quarterback's hands quickly. They did a lot of
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: that and it got What it does is it gets
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: the quarterback comfortable and accurate, and they did that. Then,
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: as you said, something happened in the second half. They
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: were aggressive. I like how they came out throwing, but
• 1:55
  Speaker 3: there's some execution plays. The past protection became a problem
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: with Dickerson out once Guinny's hurt. This time I left
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: ankle injury. He got friendly fired my Lota ran into
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: the back of his leg, his left leg. That looks
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: like on a short week, that's not good. But I
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: Toth replaced him, and their offense sputtered. I know they're
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: gonna people are gonna say, where's the run game?
• 2:15
  Speaker 4: Until we get it.
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: I haven't wrote it down, you know, I'm mister, throw
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: the football in my notes here where the Barkley runs.
• 2:22
  Speaker 4: In the third quarter. You can't mix. You can mix
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: on a run every now and then.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: Jeez, it was I know, I know that's what you're saying.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: I was almost afraid to bring this up because we
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: didn't want to sound like hypocrites. We said you need
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: to stay aggressive. We said you need to pass, but
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: we said passed the ball to set up the run.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: Later.
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley got his like third or fourth run in
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: the first quarter and then didn't see a run again
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: until like late in the third while they were passing
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: the ball. Well to your point, that's when you start
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: to try to incorporate the run a little bit.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: We don't want to sound like hypocrites. We wanted them
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: to be aggressive, we wanted them to pass the ball.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: They did that.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: But you don't then go to the extreme the other
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: side either, right, No, you know.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: What's so funny about this game. I'm someone just from
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: talking to coaches over the years. Some will tell you, you
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: know what, there are trap games, but sometimes it's not
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: like you think.
• 3:14
  Speaker 4: So for this game.
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's a non conference your first series, they came
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: out throwing, didn't complete a pass. It was whatever we
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: will have to find out from grec O cel if
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: aending guys were open. But then the second series on
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: they moved to football. Look good, look very good. They
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: again they got out of Hurts his hands quickly, he
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: was accurate. He was just see it makes you off
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: our pos to the pop pass.
• 3:37
  Speaker 4: It just gets them into a rhythm. Okay, it worked.
• 3:40
  Speaker 4: It worked.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: Then they had the somewhat of a wheel route for
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: the touchdown of Barclay. Good play, And I'm like, all right,
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: I was wrong. No flat, you know, idegals went in
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. We still won under the total, but it
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: was not a flat game like you would think. In fact,
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you were called flat because they
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: got out of their own way. They're up twenty to
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: excuse me, seventeen three run defense was fantastic the first half,
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: so I'm like, wow, they're gonna probably roll in the Broncos.
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: Broncos don't have it. And then the Broncos hung in there,
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: and when they made it seventeen to ten, I'm like,
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: uh oh, let's just see what happens. I only's go
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: to a touchdown. Don't get too comfortable with Denver right now.
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that they lost. I still would have picked
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: the Eagles to finish, but they did.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was kick you know, I thought I was
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: gonna look like the village idiot. I actually predicted the
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Broncos to win twenty six to sixteen. And if you know,
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: they don't botch their final drive there and have the penalty,
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: then maybe they score a touchdown and it's twenty six
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: seven to seventeen.
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm close.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: I got torn apart for my pick, and by halftime
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I said people were right. But then I said to myself,
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: let's just see, because the Eagles have not played a
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: full four quarters. They did not play well in the
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: second half. All by the way we're killing the offense
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: and the out of rhythmness that you've seen, but the defense.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: Didn't have enough stops.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: I thought bo Nicks was like fourteen of eighteen in
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: the second half. He scrambled. I thought he made some
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: nice throws. But in general, you know, Vic's defenses have
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: been pretty tight and good. But in the second half,
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't blitz as much as this game.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I think that came back to haunt
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: them a little bit, especially in the second half the
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Broncos were able to convert some third downs. I felt
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: nervous when for the Eagles when Dobbin scored that touchdown,
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: like you said, and it was seventeen ten, and if
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: just just trying to go through it quickly at the
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: end of the game, Adam, when you go through the possessions,
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: you always say, and I agree with you. If you
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: just look at like the possession chart and how things
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: go in the flow, it tells a story. And it
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: seemed to me that the Eagles passed the ball well
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: on first and ten with the RPO in the quick
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: game when the Broncos didn't know if they're run or pass.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: And obviously the way the Broncos play defense so aggressively,
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: they give you those one on ones because they blitz
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: But anytime the Eagles didn't get a good.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: Positive first down play and they were stuck in like
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: second and six or second and longer, and the Broncos
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: knew they were Gonnas. They had the answers and they
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: did a great job. As we said in the pregame show,
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: they know how to rush the passer without getting north
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: of a mobile quarterback. They do a great job of
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: getting that semi circle around the quarterback but keeping him
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: in the pocket.
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: And he saw that. Hurts took six sacks.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: I mean he ran himself into a few trying to
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: get out of the pocket, but then he got three
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: or four just nowhere to go.
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: It seemed to me that the Eagles really struggled to.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: Pass the ball at times where the Rams and the
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: Broncos knew they were going to pass the ball, and
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: only really move the ball well on those first downs
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: and certain times where they could play that fifty to
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: fifty game with the rpo or the pop pass. You
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: can't live life that way. You got to be able
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: to convert on second and third, even if you're behind
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: the sticks a little bit.
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were very seeming to be that they were
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: successful and early down. So as we stay on the
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: offense before we get to defense. By the way, Calcutara
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: had the oblique injury. That's why you saw Kylon grantson play.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: This is a second tight end they got got her there.
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: I know he clearly got held late.
• 7:02
  Speaker 4: See that.
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: This is what bothers me about the NFL. They're so
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: inconsistent about what they'll let go and what they won't.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: The Broncos had a number of holds that were not called.
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: Bernian Mitri got called for one, clearly did they were
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: just there were some situations where I'm like, wow, they're
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: they're letting, They're letting the physical play go. That's fine,
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: But why don't they do this every game? Like you
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: can't decide as referees what's a hold and what's not
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: a hold.
• 7:27
  Speaker 4: So I thought that was a little bit of a problem.
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: Uh, But yeah, Goddard is another guy, because you saw
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: with DeVante Smith, they boy, they went to him and
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: they went to him and the third and seventeen the
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: bomb was a beautiful pass by her.
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: So it was a big time NFL throw.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: Protection by was phenomenal and delivered a great great job
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: by Smith tracking it. It just was perfect. They got
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: Brown by the way, on some slants. Good to see
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: we asked for that. You can't, I guess you can't
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: have everything right right. But the passive game of the
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: second half they started to pick up on it. You
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: talked about the quick game, they started to smother it
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit, and then the intermediate game was out
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: and they were kind of sputtering a little bit, and
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: then Denner would get the ball back and they start
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: moving it.
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: And we'll get to the defense in a minute here.
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: But Dotson, by the way, had that big catch the
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: twenty four yarder, which is good to see also special teams. Dotson,
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: although he did have that the one really nice return,
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: he pretty much he pretty much he had the fifteen
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: yard punt return. He pretty much fair catches everything.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and you have Xavier Gibson. I wrote
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: this on the Philly Voice website for my observations. It
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: was my last one. Why do you have Xavier Gibson here,
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: who's had a very good career as a punt returner.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: I know he's puts him on the ground, but he's
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: been with the team for long enough now where he's
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna. I thought Johan Dotson really hurt them with two,
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: maybe even three fair catches inside the own ten. The
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: one right before half was such a line drive trajectory
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: that I didn't see how any possi way that ball
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: couldn't have gone into the end zone, and then even
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: passed bounced out of the end zone and he caught
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: it on a line drive inside the five so or
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: inside the ten. I thought that was bad decision making
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: and Eagles did not have good field position for that
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: reason on a lot of them. I do want to
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: ask you about three particular plays, and two of them
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: involve officiating, and I we never blame officials, and I
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: do not blame officials loss at all. But I thought
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: in this game there were so many weird calls and
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion on some of them. Okay,
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: so let let's go with the the no call on
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: pass interference on god or inside the five.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: But right before the hail Mary, he.
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: Was really penalty.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: That was clearly Okay, I know you can't restrict by
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: holding any part of the fields to hold right that
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: that's that that's he held his arm. Uh that that
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: was the ball was clearly a penalty. After that's clearly
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: a laid hit. That's not even that's not even debatable.
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: That was clearly laid hit on Bond. I said it
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: when it happened, like that's a late hit. Oh boy,
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about that because from my
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: vantage point, which at the stadium where I am now,
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: we're recording this.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: It looked to me like it was a Harvey who
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: had the ball.
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: It was a short Yeah, agree with me. By the
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: way that that that that was late.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't get a full view of it. That's why
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: I'm asking.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: That's he wasn't he was not, Yeah, he was just
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: asking down and after yeah, after after Bond hit him late.
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: Then he tried to get up.
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: But maybe he because he probably thought I mean, maybe
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: Harvey thought something else, but he clearly it was clearly late.
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: It was it was just unnecessary that they had him down. Like,
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: that's our job here, folks, is to not take side.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: So the Eagles related show, obviously we go by what
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: we know by rules, but the referees, look, it's let's
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: put it this way. With the referees, the worst refereeing
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: in all sports is balls and strikes and baseball. If
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: you watched baseball and off, it's terrible. It's the worst
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: ever seen in my lifetime. Yes, and that's why you
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: talk about robots robot oms. But I just wish the
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: physical play was consistent from game to game. If you're
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: gonna let physical play happen, let it happen. If you're not,
• 11:11
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• 11:14
  Speaker 3: lot of hand and there's a lot of hand fighting,
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: so speak and they let it go and then sometimes
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: they don't.
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  Speaker 2: one and up. Yes, and I would say this is
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: not on the officials, but it was an accurate call.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: But what really really hurt the Eagles because they had
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: a chance there even after their fall behind, was the
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: beautiful fourth and fourth connection between Jalen Hurts and DeVante
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: Smith on the left side, negated by the illegal shift
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: or motion it is by Barkley. I don't know, like
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: you put so much into a game and trying to win.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they can watch that on film
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: the next day and not want to vomit, because there's a.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Good chance if that's I know, that's a good chance
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: to score there.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Barkley had to be set. That was a beautiful play.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Barkley knows the role. You got to
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: be set before the snap, which I absolutely hate. They
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: should just say you have to, you have to you
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: have to simulate being stopped or something, because that's ridiculous.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: But it's by the by the role of the penalty.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: It's a damn shame. Self inflicted wounds. Brett Toath had
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: a hold on a on a nice play, which is
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: unfortunately he replaced Dickerson. By the way, it's it's a
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: it's a weird it was a weird game. They're gonna
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: look back to how the hell do we lose this
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: game up seventeen to three? A lot of see this
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: is the thing that I know fans are gonna be pissed.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: They lost for the first the only second time in
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: twenty two games. They had won twenty out of twenty one.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: First time in eleven games they lost at home.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: But they'll be upset that. It's one thing if it
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: was like.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Twenty seven to twenty four, went back and forth, back
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: and forth, and back and forth. But they blew at
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: seventeen three, laid head into the fourth court. Yes, Denver
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: was driving early in the fourth and they did score.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of good. By the way, there's
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of good oh, by the way, and let's
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: get to defense at a second.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: We had a signing of somebody for the first time
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: this season.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: We did, But it's a finishing up on offense.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I was I just wonder about the sustainability of what
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: they were able to do early against Denver, using that
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: pop pass, using the RPOs, getting the quick game, because
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Denver plays a style of defense where they attack you
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: with so many guys that it sets up for that,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: right it's quick, it's one on ones they give you.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Like the Giants are gonna blitz seven or eight guys.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: The Vikings will in two weeks. They're like that Bland
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: floors will come at them. It's just like Bolls did
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and eventually had to stop. But this offense, really, I'd
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: like to say it found something at least even in.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: A loss by the first half.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like you can't live on that
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: kind of offense alone. You've got to find some more consistency.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: But maybe just getting the ball to Devonte Deep and
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: getting the ball to Goddard and getting the ball to
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: aj Brown.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Even in this function of an offense, just gets.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Them going a little bit more going into this Giants
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: game on Thursday night.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look they Barclay had the seventeen yard run,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: which was really nice. I'm like, all right, great they
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: have They put a good run on the board, and
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: then they kind of went away from him. It was interesting,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: but it's hard to argue because their passing game was efficient.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Hurts was really efficient. They got out of his hands quickly.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: But then the loss of Dickerson showed up self inflicted
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: wounds in the pass the game in the second half,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: and that that let Denver get in. And then then
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the defense, which is really really good for two and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: a half quarters, they seemed to be winded to me
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: a little bit. They seem to get tired. And you
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: mentioned Bo Nicks as we trained position that we'll get
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: deep in a minute to the breath of the defense.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: But Bo Knicks is a pretty athletic guy. Man.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: He they Eagles defense is terrific the first half against him,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: but then he was affected on the move.
• 17:12
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• 19:31
  Speaker 1: As we talk about the Eagles defense, Adam It's people
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: are gonna label it the second half implosion, which is true.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: But the Broncos punted on four straight possessions to end
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in the second quarter, and then on their first two
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: possessions of.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: The third quarter.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So the Eagles really did a nice job for six
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: straight possessions. It wasn't really until the fourth quarter that
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the Broncos got going there, and I try again. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: looked at the chart, I looked at the plays. I
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: tried to find what I thought was the swing play
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: or the moment where things really started to click for them,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and I just go through and I'm like, well, they
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had like a nice RJ. Harvey pick up here they
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: finally got the ball to Courtland Sutton. There there were
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a few times where it was a second reaction play
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: made by Nicks. I don't think there was a backbreaker
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: so to speak. There were a couple of big third
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: down conversions, but you know, I don't know if this
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: makes VIC go back to the drawing board or say,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like tip the cap through the broncos for just converting.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Well on your point about them converting. They started to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: go after Ringo a little bit because where he did
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a good job the first half. He on one play,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: they went after the first quarter because this is clearly
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they know that he had trouble stopping, you know, that's
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: one of the problems with him, with the stiffness. They
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: went after it then and I was like, wow, he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: holding his own Okay, one panel one play, he clearly
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: made contact. They didn't call it. He held his own Okay,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: then they started going after him. Quinnon gave up a play.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Quinnon held clearly in the end zone. That was a clearhold.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: You can't do that, correct, So yeah, they started to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: really go after mccurtland. Sutton's physicality took over. It's sooner
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: later you figured he'd be a factor. They were so
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: good in the first half. This is an Eagles, a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: really good defense.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: By the way.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're never going to beat folks. It's hard to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: be perfect every week. It's just hard. But they're young,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: which you like, and they they show their youth a
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: little bit in the second half.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean well, I mean, just you give
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: up twenty one points on one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: eleven possessions that a lot of coaches will look at
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that like point per possession, and that's not especially impressive.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I agree with you on the holding on Quinya, Mitchell.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I do feel like that holding was made possible by
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the Eagles not getting a good enough pass rush.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: There. Nick's climbed back in the pocket, He rolled to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: his right a little bit. He looked around.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He probably saw like, yeah, I'm sure Quinyon noticed that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he had no shot unless he reached his hand out there.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But that to me was one of the few times
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: where I thought the Eagles weren't able to clamp down
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and get and at least forced Nicks into a difficult throw.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, so Zadarius Smith got his sack.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I'm looking my notes here on a stunt. He was
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: a looper, really nice play. Also Bond got one. They
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: only had two sacks, but we saw it, and he
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: had one really quality rush. Oja Lari had a one
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: beautiful rush in the first half. Uh, you know, so
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: he And then what was interesting is that Byron Young,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: we have to see what the snamp counts looked like.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: He was subbing in for for Jordan Davids. Jordan Davis
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: didn't seem like he play his usual amount of STAPs.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: But well, we'll see what the stamp council looked like.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: So overall, uh, there's no way to know this. It's
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the players probably would would admit it anyway. They could
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: have gotten a little tired of the second half. Just
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that bow Knicks man.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: They completely shut him down the first half.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Then he started making some plays and the passed the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: touchdown pass was to Ingram was nice. Yeah, and you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: overall here it was one of those games. It was
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: it was there for the win. It wasn't like they
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: were beaten by by being down early and having to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: come back and then losing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: They had the lead seventeen to three and blew it
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, and by the way, the real if you're looking
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: for the one backbreaker when it was a one possession game,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the Broncos were at third and fifteen and they converted it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Just remember the offensive pass interference, all right, they put
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: him at third and fifteen, they converted it. Yes, I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: agree with you on that as well. Nick to Sutton
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: for thirty four yards on the right side. I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: what happened was Mitchell slipped a little bit. He did
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: get up, but Nicks put a really nice ball between
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: three guys there and then he kind of wiggled out
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of it and got more yards. So that really was
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the backbreaker because the very next play was the eleven
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: yard touchdown to Ingram. And you know what, Sean Payton,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you got to give him credit. He knew there was
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of time left, he knew about the analytics,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and you know, you could just say, well, it's easy,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it's already determined, but not every coach will do it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But going for two, there was a really bright move
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: by him.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: How about that move?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it did a little bit early by but
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: it worked out.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So that was that was an interesting finish it it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: It was one of these situations because they you see
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: bo Nicks is he's kind of like Hurts. He's you
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: gotta really squash him because he's got he's got a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: lot of energy, he's got a lot of moxie to him.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Right when you think you have him down, he comes back.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And he did bring them back, but he did not
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: play well in the first day. He rushed them, froze,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he goes got to him a little bit, They got
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: into his head a little bit.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like Jalen Hurts. He's like Jalen Hurts.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You had he just had a terrible half and then
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he had a great half.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He seemed like you have him down, you have him down,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: it looks bad and then he's got he's got a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: mental toughness to him.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: And JK.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Dobmonds we didn't mention him, man, man, they they he's
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a start and star vision runner. They got him pretty
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: good in the first half and then he started to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: gash him a little bit. Harvey in the past game,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I got to give Tyler Baby credit and pass protection.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: He did a really good job. He's Stona. He's their
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: third down back and Harry up back. You might remember
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: as a drafted by the Ravens. He hits some pretty
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: good He hit some pretty good blocks Marvin Mims. They
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: try to get him involved. He did a good job
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: on the downfield passing him because they've got Franklin could run.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Sutton's a possession. He's a he's what he is is.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: He's a contested catch guy. Courtland Sutton and I just thought, look,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it's a shame they lost this game. But there's nothing
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: like defensively, oh boy, they got other than we know.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Their past rush it's got some issues. It's not going
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to go away.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And their pass offense and consistent.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We're right, we'll get that side. But defectively, okay, the
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: pass rush is average. It's not terrible, but it's something
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: that is they're gonna have to continue to look at
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: towards the trade deadline at the end of this month.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: In the second corner, we'll see what Greg Coseel says
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: when we we do the tape show on Monday, when
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: we when we talked to Greg, but we'll see what
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: he thought about Ringo.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: But we knew going in to the season it was.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: A problem, and Vic Fangers said enough of enough of
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Dowey Jackson, who was healthy enough to play.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: He went Ringo.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: He did that was a surprise, not a surprise move.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: It kind of foreshadowed it. Yeah, yeah, only because and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Vick even foreshadowed it. He was asked in his last
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: press conference, And I think on Tuesday, you know, if
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: if a door could go, is Ringo gonna plays Ringo
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: back and he goes not necessarily back to the bench
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and he goes.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, So he was foreshadowing it there there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like they have lost this game or
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: or imploded in other games because of the number two corner.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's not killing them. I think
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the inconsistent pass rush, to your point, is more of
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: an issue.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think Quinn.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I think if you were to say, of the five
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: games they've played this this year, this was Quinnon Mitchell's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: worst of the five. I'm willing to give him a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: pass because he's played great in four of them. But
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he not only committed some penalties, but he got beat
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of times by Sutton as well in some
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: key moments that that's gonna happen, you know, Patrick certain
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: got beat by a J.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Brown on some one on ones. It's it's gonna happen.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But when you're playing a close game and it's one
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: possession and you're going back and forth, they stand out
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit more when you lose.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Eagles had nine accepted penalties. And although
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: what's funny is Denver in twelve.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Game, Yeah, it was. That's why I'm saying.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not if I'm an Eagles fan, I'm not really
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: worried about this game getting to offense.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: You knew about the inconsistency.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: The running game has been poor the whole season, you
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: know early obviously they've only played five games, but the.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Passing game has been uneven. But the Eagles don't have
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: a traditional pass game. You have to understand it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And I know you're saying earlier, well, they have to, Okay,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: so they did this quick game and at work until
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Denver started figuring out. Okay, but the traditional pass game
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: is to twenty twenty two. Where it was it was
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: traditional doubt, it was downfield passing game. Now it's what
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: is it? They don't have an identity yet. It's evolving,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: but they're trying. Here's here's what I'll tell you though.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: At least they're trying. They're trying to help hers. That's
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: better coaching. It's still working progress.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Let's call it what is. It's still a major work
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: in progress.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Let's finish it off with this. I'm very curious.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's almost good that the Egals have a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: quick turnaround, just a couple of walkthroughs before Thursday night's game,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: because this is still probably frustrating for a j Brown.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: He only saw he saw eight targets, but only five
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: catches for forty something yards, not getting him the ball deep.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: There was that one opportunity where he and Jalen were
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not on the same page.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It looked like AJ stopped his route.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: He said he didn't see Jayalen was actually pump faking
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and throwing it to him and went over his head.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: That would have been a really that could have been
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: an easy touchdown. But that just shows you that the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: rhythm between those two is not great, And I just wonder,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this a little bit, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this might be a little touch. Just one loss, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: no more Kelsey, no more Fletcher Cox, no more Brandon Graham.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: You got young guys who are now leaders who may
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: be thrust in that position a little early. And it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't a great week for them internally because of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown. And then all of a sudden you see
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: media reports on uh oh, both the wide receivers are
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: up saying they want the ball.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: They've actually both come out publicly and said they want
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the ball, right, But the regardless is it's true they
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: want the ball and they want this pass offense to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: look better, and it didn't look great after you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: two quarters. So I wonder how this team, which has been.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: A very good glue team throughout the last few years,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You just wonder how they respond to a loss like this.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Well, they play a giants team in the Meadowlands or
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: excuse me, MetLife Stadium, a giant team that was up
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: at one point fourteen to three. They wound up getting
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: outscored twenty three to nothing the second half.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: So yeah, they're terrible.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: They're just a bad Scatterbo had a bad fumble a
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: darts start turned the ball over. Remember they don't have
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the elite neighbors towards ACL. They're a train wreck. So this
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: is a good team to get well against. And it's
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: not like this is a good division Dallas had to
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: laugh for against the cow against The Jets are terrible.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: They're not gonna bad, They're really bad.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But bottom line is Stills are still the class of
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the NCS, so one of the best teams the National Footballague.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: All is not lost, Nope, nope, nope. But I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: if you're a fan, you just wish they lost in
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a different way. And it's not the same thing that's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: kind of rearing its ugly head, this inability to play
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: four quarters. But that's why with the Giants on deck,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a good chance to get everything together.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have that game covered.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of content over the next
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• 30:27
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• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and that will do it for the Inside the Birds
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  Speaker 1: postgame show for Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Mosher. Catch you all on that next one
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