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Ep. 1051: What Thermal Drones Revealed About Big Bucks · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? Welcome back to Wired to Hunt.
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  Speaker 3: This is Jake Hoefer and this week we have a
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  Speaker 3: great episode with Derek Dixon of White Tail Research and
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  Speaker 3: to keep the theme of July about technology and summer scouting,
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  Speaker 3: this breaks down some of his findings over the years
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  Speaker 3: with thousands of flights with a thermal drone. And I
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  Speaker 3: know there's a little controversy with that, but I think
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  Speaker 3: the information and intel that Derek is able to provide
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  Speaker 3: can certainly be helpful and useful. We talk about summer
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  Speaker 3: bachelor groups and what actually happens before the season and
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  Speaker 3: what happens as all the different things shift and change
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  Speaker 3: as we build up to your opening day. As you know,
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  Speaker 3: Wired Hunt is brought to you by Multrie. So without
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  Speaker 3: further ado, let's go in to kick things off with
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  Speaker 3: Derek from white Tail Research.
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  Speaker 2: Derek, Welcome to Wired. How you doing, Yeah, man, thanks
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  Speaker 2: for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely so it's July, and excitement is getting to be
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  Speaker 3: very high for all deer hunters. They have likely to
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  Speaker 3: point cell cameras, there's maybe some deer that they remember
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  Speaker 3: from the previous year. And I want to dive into
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  Speaker 3: some of the different trends that maybe you've been able
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  Speaker 3: to observe with the work that you do with your
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  Speaker 3: thermal drone and a lot of the resources you put
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  Speaker 3: out there. But before we get into all of that,
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  Speaker 3: is there anything new or exciting that you want to
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  Speaker 3: share that I might not ask.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get that out of way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could take you down a lot
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  Speaker 4: of rabbit holes with that conversation, because I've recently started
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  Speaker 4: researching arrows. I've been researching turkeys for the last four
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  Speaker 4: months or so now, and there's a lot of cool
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  Speaker 4: findings with that. Really the turkey thing, though, I think
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  Speaker 4: it it didn't it didn't dive down the avenues that
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  Speaker 4: I wanted it to. I had an idea, I had
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  Speaker 4: a strategy, And the more I flew, the less turkeys
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  Speaker 4: I see in and the less turkeys I seen, the
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  Speaker 4: more questions I asked, and the more questions I asked,
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  Speaker 4: I just started getting shoved into these like one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty page PDFs for every single state and their
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  Speaker 4: conservation agency, and I'm tracking where all the money goes
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  Speaker 4: and all these different things. So I have a massive
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  Speaker 4: video related to turkeys that's going to come out. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to be this year, just
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  Speaker 4: because the timing might not be right for it anymore
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  Speaker 4: because of how how much work I've done for it.
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  Speaker 4: I might wait until next year to post the big video,
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  Speaker 4: but I'll probably have a small stipit and get get
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  Speaker 4: posted out. But anything, if anything, I'm gonna have some
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  Speaker 4: arrow research or an arrow related video coming out before season,
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  Speaker 4: which will be pretty interesting, just because that's something that
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  Speaker 4: I've always been really passionate about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a nerd about it. And I'm going to be doing.
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  Speaker 4: Some broadhead testing and not just like testing five broadheads,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm going to literally buy every broadhead that's manufactured
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  Speaker 4: that's that's labeled for penant know, highlight, high level penetration,
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  Speaker 4: and you like, for reference. If you just look at
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  Speaker 4: a mechanical broadhead company, if they have ten broad heads
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  Speaker 4: that they sell, then I'm going to look for that
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  Speaker 4: smallest diameter cut titanium, like what is what do they
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  Speaker 4: claim penetrates the best? And I'm going to own every
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  Speaker 4: single one of those and then we're gonna go head
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  Speaker 4: to head. Maybe I can get a slow O camera
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  Speaker 4: and some other stuff, but we'll see. So yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: I but I could. Yeah, yeah, don't ask that question.
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  Speaker 4: I could, We would, We will derail this conversation quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's uh. I look forward to to checking that out.
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  Speaker 3: So I do want to talk about farm Country. You
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  Speaker 3: recently released a video in regard to some of the
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  Speaker 3: different things that that you have been able to find there,
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  Speaker 3: and so.
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  Speaker 2: I guess getting right into it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned that ad Country is basically a
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  Speaker 3: white tail feed lot in a lot of in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of scenarios. What surprised you most once you actually
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  Speaker 3: started putting, you know, numbers to buck Todough ratio general
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  Speaker 3: deer density in comparison to to where you fly most
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  Speaker 3: often in Missouri?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I knew that.
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  Speaker 4: I knew the deer numbers were going to be higher, right,
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  Speaker 4: So I started driving through these agriculture areas with prime
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  Speaker 4: Ryperian habitat and I'm looking around the entire time, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, from my area, if I drive through a
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  Speaker 4: section of habitat that looks anything like it did in
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  Speaker 4: the areas that I was in with agriculture, then I'm
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  Speaker 4: automatically looking to the back of the fields. I'm looking
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  Speaker 4: for deer in those areas because it's just got hunters know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the passive instinct whenever you drive through an
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  Speaker 4: area and it's like, oh man, there could be a
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  Speaker 4: deer over there, and you're just you're kind of looking
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  Speaker 4: at the back of a field. In that setting and
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  Speaker 4: agriculture setting I was. I was in like like a
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  Speaker 4: child in a candy shop type setting. My wife was
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  Speaker 4: having to keep me in control looking at the highway
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  Speaker 4: driving because I mean everywhere, I just felt like there
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  Speaker 4: should be deer everywhere, and there there was. And I
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  Speaker 4: got the drawn up in the sky and helped verify that.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the initial part of it, I think
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  Speaker 4: I even said on the video, is that I was
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  Speaker 4: going to do a population analysis, just a basic get
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  Speaker 4: get a herd count, and then also I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: know dot to buck ratio. Maybe if I get to
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  Speaker 4: dissect fawns from the ratio as well, which I was
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  Speaker 4: able to, but I just kind of lumped them in
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  Speaker 4: with does, and I think sixty bucks is what I
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  Speaker 4: what i'd rated it at. But in the end, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: whenever I flew up the drone, it was just immediately like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is I'm gonna be here a minute.
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  Speaker 4: And I actually ended up doing the main portion of
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  Speaker 4: the analysis right at dark and I was just flying
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  Speaker 4: a straight bead line and I would zoom the camera
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  Speaker 4: in and I would immediately pop it back off and
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  Speaker 4: zoom on the next year, pop it back off, zoom
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  Speaker 4: on the next year. And the entire time, I had
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  Speaker 4: a guy next to me, and normally I drop pins,
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  Speaker 4: I'll drop color coded pins for that entire process, but
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  Speaker 4: there were so many deer I just didn't have and
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  Speaker 4: have the time I needed to dough buck, dough buck,
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  Speaker 4: dough buck, and if it was anything that was over
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  Speaker 4: three and a half, then I would say, good buck,
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  Speaker 4: and then I would just keep going. And that guy's
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  Speaker 4: sitting there next to me and he's just tally marking
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  Speaker 4: its the thing that I did, and we were I
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  Speaker 4: think it took two days to do two different properties
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  Speaker 4: in this one place and then the other one. I
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  Speaker 4: did it for a full day and it was actually
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  Speaker 4: cloudy and a little rainy for that process, but I
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  Speaker 4: walked away with I mean, there was no way I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't within the ninety plus percent i'll of accuracy in
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  Speaker 4: terms of how many deer were there. There were some
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  Speaker 4: areas is where maybe it was a little thicker and
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  Speaker 4: I may have glassed it over a little bit too easy.
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  Speaker 4: But that kind of gets down to the point where
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  Speaker 4: in the video I'd said, maybe I kind of skimmed
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  Speaker 4: the edges of a section of habitat that you know,
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  Speaker 4: that right Parian habitat, that little bit thicker density habitat,
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  Speaker 4: and I would decide there's got to be something in there,
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  Speaker 4: so I'd kind of go back and recomb over it.
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  Speaker 4: Even though most of the year late in the evening,
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  Speaker 4: early in the morning they're out in the open, still
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  Speaker 4: felt like there had to be something just tucked away
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  Speaker 4: back in there. And oftentimes whenever I would do that,
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  Speaker 4: it'd be a mature buck. And really that kind of
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  Speaker 4: leads to the probably the coolest finding, and I just
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  Speaker 4: I can't, you know, it's impossible to say for certain
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  Speaker 4: that this is a common trend, but it was so
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  Speaker 4: consistent where you would fly up, you'd locate a handful
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  Speaker 4: of mature box across one of these agriculture properties, and
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  Speaker 4: then you would just pull up on X and look
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  Speaker 4: for the areas that you hadn't flown yet, these sections
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  Speaker 4: of habitat that look like there should be betting there,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, I'm going to go check out
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  Speaker 4: this section, this section, this section, and they're all, you know,
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  Speaker 4: around one hundred acre blocks away from one another. You'd
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  Speaker 4: go check out each section and there'd be another mature
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  Speaker 4: buck in that in that little spot, and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my goodness, that's just it was just always fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Rarely did they overlap, though there were. There was a
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  Speaker 4: portion I think it was November fifth, whenever I was there.
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  Speaker 4: They think this was in Indiana as well, November fifth,
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  Speaker 4: and whenever I was flying, mature bucks were overlapping. And
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  Speaker 4: that's because there were like three dos in estris in
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  Speaker 4: this one kind of core spot and they were all competing.
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  Speaker 4: But even in that setting, there was one buck that
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  Speaker 4: was beyond dominant over all the other ones he had,
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  Speaker 4: and he was missing his entire right side. He was
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  Speaker 4: like three hundred and twenty pounds, just a freak of
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  Speaker 4: nature and looked like he wanted to murder everybody, and
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  Speaker 4: I think all the other deer recognized that. They just
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  Speaker 4: kind of they stayed back and observed him. But he
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  Speaker 4: was he was highly aggressive. And there were mature bucks
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  Speaker 4: overlapping in that within one hundred acre blocks, of course,
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  Speaker 4: But for the most part though, whenever they were all
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  Speaker 4: bedded down, it was really interesting. They were they were
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  Speaker 4: very evenly spaced. I mean, you could just draw lines
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  Speaker 4: and connect through habitat and it's like, yeah, there should
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  Speaker 4: be a mature buck there, there, there there, and if
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  Speaker 4: you flew and checked it, there almost always was. So
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  Speaker 4: that's interesting. So it was it was fully stocked, fully stocked. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: there were no gaps whereas you know habitat in this area.
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  Speaker 4: You could attempt to do the same exact thing and
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  Speaker 4: say you have a thousand acres, but I mean there's
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  Speaker 4: only four mature bucks across one thousand acres, So in
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  Speaker 4: that setting you're you're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 4: do one one mature buck per one hundred acres because
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  Speaker 4: they're just it's not fully stocked, as you just said.
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  Speaker 2: So, m.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing that I found interesting was, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of hunters assume you know and base
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  Speaker 3: off what you're saying here as well as you know
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  Speaker 3: mature bucks. But a lot of hunters, I feel, assume
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  Speaker 3: that ad country just automatically equates to giant, very high
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  Speaker 3: end deer. What did you find and how did the
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  Speaker 3: match up to expectations or predictions before you did?
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  Speaker 2: Did that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was finding deer with a lot of
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  Speaker 4: abnormalities in comparison. So like I found one deer he
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  Speaker 4: had a double main beam on the left side. We
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  Speaker 4: found another deers main friend tany had a double main
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  Speaker 4: beam on the right side, and he actually may have
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  Speaker 4: been a gross over one hundred and seventy inches. But
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  Speaker 4: in terms of just sitting down and saying you found it,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a straight typical one seventy plus, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: find one, not one that I could confirm. There was
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  Speaker 4: one that was close, but even then I think he
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  Speaker 4: was a little younger. If he survived, maybe he'll be
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  Speaker 4: in that class next year. I definitely think that. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I someone had shown me trailcam pictures of a property
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  Speaker 4: next door and there was this main frame eight and
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  Speaker 4: he was like one hundred and sixty five hundred and
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  Speaker 4: seventy inch main frame eight so it's like, obviously they
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  Speaker 4: grow the big deer. But I think the biggest consensus
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  Speaker 4: that I walked away with is that just the overall
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  Speaker 4: average of total inches that these mature bucks are capping
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  Speaker 4: out on is significantly higher than my area. My area,
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  Speaker 4: you'll find one hundred and fifteen to one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: twenty inches is kind of common that area. It was
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  Speaker 4: very uncommon to see anything under one hundred and thirty inches,
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  Speaker 4: and I'd say the average was in the one forties.
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  Speaker 4: And with that, I mean even then, it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: hard to discern inches off of a drone with that
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  Speaker 4: type of person respective, it's really difficult to gain time
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  Speaker 4: length in actual mass measurements throughout and I've I've played
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  Speaker 4: around with guessing on stuff like that and relocated their
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  Speaker 4: shed antlers, and I've had pretty good success with estimating.
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  Speaker 4: But in agriculture it's different because those deer are so big,
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  Speaker 4: their bodies are so massive, and their necks are so
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  Speaker 4: much bigger and swaller than in my area that it's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more difficult to pin that down. Because
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  Speaker 4: I remember there was one deer that I had I
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  Speaker 4: had recorded him a couple weeks prior in early November,
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  Speaker 4: and I think three weeks later one of the guys
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  Speaker 4: had killed this buck with a bow and it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a mega target buck. I mean, they had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of bucks to choose from, but he ended up scoring
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  Speaker 4: a little over one hundred and fifty inches and I
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  Speaker 4: never would have thought he went over one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: forty five. So he was like one fifty four or
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  Speaker 4: something like that, So scored significantly higher than I had
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  Speaker 4: estimated just off of the drone.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean just the general.
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  Speaker 4: Consensus though, is that they're they're just bigger. Everything's just
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  Speaker 4: a little bit bigger. And I think that a lot
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  Speaker 4: of that measurement actually comes from the mass just in general. No,
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  Speaker 4: obviously they'll have longer time length potentially and maybe longer
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  Speaker 4: main beams, but they definitely have a lot more mass
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  Speaker 4: in that area for sure. I Mean you can tell
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  Speaker 4: if you ever, if you ever pick up sheds from
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  Speaker 4: somebody that has like an Iowa property, you pick.
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  Speaker 2: Up that Iowa shows ways.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so heavy in comparison to something in my area,
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  Speaker 4: and the density is just not there.
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  Speaker 3: Were you shocked to not find as many you know,
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  Speaker 3: quote unquote high end deer. Was that shocking to you
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  Speaker 3: or was it about what you expected?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: No, I felt like I would have found at least
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  Speaker 4: one true just undoubtedly whenever you've seen him. He was
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  Speaker 4: a Boon and Crocket deer, and the only deer that
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  Speaker 4: I think going into it. They had one other on
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  Speaker 4: trail camera that they thought potentially would have been, but
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  Speaker 4: I never found him, and that was on a smaller property.
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  Speaker 4: And then that the other buck that could have been,
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  Speaker 4: you know, an actual, true, typical Boon and Crockett. Was
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  Speaker 4: that that buck with the broken side that was just
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  Speaker 4: dominant as all get out in three hundred and twenty pounds,
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  Speaker 4: but he was missing one side and he was six
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  Speaker 4: by six, so you could look at his other side
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  Speaker 4: and kind of gauge tine length and mass and he
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  Speaker 4: would have came close. But ultimately, yeah, I thought that
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  Speaker 4: I would have found one at least one and walked
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  Speaker 4: away with the fact that just an undeniable Boon and Crockett.
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  Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is, you know, I was looking
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  Speaker 4: at deer like that in this area, in their area
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  Speaker 4: for agriculture, and then I'm looking back at my deer
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  Speaker 4: that I researched in southern Missouri, and I don't have
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  Speaker 4: the numbers that they do in terms of total deer,
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  Speaker 4: but every once in a while, we always get that anomaly,
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  Speaker 4: like one or two anomalies every single year within a
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  Speaker 4: three thousand acre block in southern Missouri. And I've seen
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  Speaker 4: this across multiple areas. I've done tracking jobs for guys
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  Speaker 4: whenever I'm flying and we'll find this random five y
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  Speaker 4: five or six by six and he's just absolutely anything
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  Speaker 4: beyond a deer they've ever seen before.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, where's that.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, well, I'm not gonna tell you, but it's
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  Speaker 4: a pretty big Deer's it's cool that you guys have
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  Speaker 4: some genetics like that in this area. But like last year,
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  Speaker 4: I researched this mainframe ten five by five and he
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  Speaker 4: was a four years old estimated, potentially even three and
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  Speaker 4: a half. If if you had asked someone like Bill
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  Speaker 4: wink or something on their property, they would automatically say, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's three and a half year old. But from my area,
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking that he's probably in the fours. And I
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  Speaker 4: found one of his shed antlers. He's one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixty inch deer all day long with an eighteen inch spread,
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  Speaker 4: and he may have had a wider spread than that.
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  Speaker 4: So we can produce deer at the same level in
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  Speaker 4: these other areas.
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  Speaker 2: It's just they're.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely more of an anomaly whenever it happens, whereas up
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  Speaker 4: there it's pretty consistent to find. If you want to
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  Speaker 4: find a deer over one hundred and fifty inches, then
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  Speaker 4: if you have a thousand acres available to you're likely
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  Speaker 4: going to have a deer over one hundred and fifty inches.
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  Speaker 2: We're down here, you might not have him.
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  Speaker 4: He might fringe on you every once in a while
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  Speaker 4: on that thousand acres, but you're not going to have
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  Speaker 4: him as a quarter buck on your property for.
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  Speaker 3: Someone that wants to tap into kind of the you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned you looked at some spots on the map and say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: there should be a mature buck here, there should be
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  Speaker 3: potentially a mature buck here. And when he flewed the
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  Speaker 3: drone you found those I mean, were those on within
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned you know, riparian areas, so you know river
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  Speaker 3: or a large creek or something like that. Were they
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  Speaker 3: just one hundred and fifty two hundred yards off the
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  Speaker 3: creek or were they ten yards off the creek, or
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  Speaker 3: were they on an ox bow, were they on different contours?
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  Speaker 2: Like? What, what did you see that you're willing to share? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean most of them were on ox bos.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's that's been pretty well understood
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  Speaker 4: from a lot of guys. I mean, whenever you have
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  Speaker 4: habitat like that that's so limited and you want to
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  Speaker 4: go in and scout it, it's pretty simple to kind
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  Speaker 4: of discern where deer betting down, just because the habitat
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: allows for it, and it's such such a fragmented segment
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: that you're actually scouting that it's pretty pretty easy to
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: discern where they're actually betting. But generally in oxpos, but
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: there's some areas where there's not an ox bow and
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: the river just kind of halfway wonders or a little
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: creek bed that's running through, and you know they're just
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: betting all along it. Oftentimes these areas the right parent
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: areas that I was flying around, they were anywhere from
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: thirty yards to one hundred and fifty yards wide, and
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I mean they were packed with deer.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Every single time. They're packed with deer.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: And oftentimes you'll have a mature buck that was betted
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: down and he might have three domes off, you know,
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: pretty close by him, and then he's going to have
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a handful of younger bucks that are all around him.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: And there's some deer that are betted right up right
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: up against the creek, like they could almost lean their
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: head off of the bank and take a drink if
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: they wanted to, they're so close. And then sometimes they're
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: pulled a little bit further back fifteen twenty yards. And
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: there were a couple times where you'd find a mature
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: buck and he'd just be betted right out on the edge
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: of the woods, kind of right on that transition. So
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to say that, yeah, they always
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: bed the blank, but more often than not, whenever I
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: was finding mature buck, he was either in an ox
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: bow or he was in And this is probably the
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: more more frequented. If I could say, like if I
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: went and flew every ox bow on a property, there's
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: a chance you're going to find a mature buck across
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: you know, that habitat in the oxpos. But in an
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: agriculture setting, if there's a field that's left into native grasses,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: that field will almost always whenever I was flying at
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: least and you know, I can't say always. It's sign science,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: you can't say always, but very very likely there's a
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: mature buck betted out in that native grass field, whatever
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: it was left into, whether it was just burned and
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: allowed to grow up and it's waste to chest high.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Very common mature bucks were out in those in comparison
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: to an ox bow, and you know, they're almost always
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: on the right parian habitat, but if you if you
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: intermix that with this native grass field, they really take
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: a preference to being out in that native grass field
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: versus kind of back near where all the other deer
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: at I was seeing.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Did you notice, and I don't know how hard did
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: this to tell with the with the drone, but when
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: they were betted in the native grasses, were they typically
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: like on a slight knoll? Were they you know, like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: was there any sort of change within that terrain although
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: maya have been a little bit subtle, But did you
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: notice any sort of trend or was it just on
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: the edge of the native grasses?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Because yeah, so for the most part, what I was
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: seeing that a lot of that habitat is pretty flat.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I would say if you had terrain changes that maybe
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: they'll take a preference to betting a little bit higher potentially,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: but I think more than more often than not, whenever
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: you get in a setting like that, it's so dense
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and it's so thick that if you human decide to
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: ride anee bike or walk through it, and you're walking
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: through the edge of it, he's just he's not going
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: to get up, he's not going to move. You could
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: walk ten yards next to him in a lot of
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: those settings and you're never going to see him.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: You might hear him breathing before you see him, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I've actually done that before.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: But where you hear dear breathing before you actually see him,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: then you start walking and inspecting what that is, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: then a buck bounces out of it. So no, more
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: often than not that I think they're just kind of
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: hanging out with twenty yards or more from the wood
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: edge and they're just they're just bedded out in the
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: middle of it because they feel very secure in that setting.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They can hear, they can smell.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: But yeah, if you add it in a little bit
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: of train, I know that I've seen there were there
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: were some situations where you would have a field like that,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: or maybe just maybe it was a field of corn
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: or soybeans or something, and then there was this random
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: knob that came up out of it, and that knob
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: they didn't plant into agriculture in order did they burn
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: for you know, their native field or anything, and it
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: was just left into these kind of shriked be trees.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of times those guys that I
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: was with, they were they were assuming that deer were
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: betting out on those, and rarely did I find a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: buck or a dough actually betted on them. I found
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: them betted nearby them, whether that was in the field,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: if it was a native field, or if it was
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: agriculture being used for agriculture, then being betted on the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: opposing side of it, back near the woods. But seldom
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: did I actually find them betted on those random obscure knobs.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Not to say they won't know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you if you've walked them and you've
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: seen deer betting on them, that I'm sure they will.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: But in my example, I didn't see them betting on
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: those as frequently.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Mhm, what how would.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: How much different is the like more type of hill
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: country terrain where there's lower deer density h versus ag
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: country like where you just like, man, I want to
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: schedule a trip to go hun high country because it's
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: way more I mean, because I've talked to l different
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: guys and I have no doubt that hunting big woods
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: is much much, much, much more challenging than you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the majority of the Midwest. How would you illustrate that,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: you know, comparing contrast of those two different habitat tites.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, I think it depends on your
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: weapon of choice, right, I mean, if you're going out
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: with a rifle, then I guarantee you I'm.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Going to go to the agriculture property every time.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't ever dabble in hill country or any of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: these other settings. I'll go with a rifle. But if
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I wanted to kill something with a bow, I personally
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: would feel more comfortable in hill country because in that
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: setting I can utilize in my style of hill country.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: There's different variations of hill countries. Some can be more subtle,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: some can have more timber. My style of hill country
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: that I'm talking about is actual decent elevation changes that
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: cut that forces travel with intermixed habitats. So you have
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: a couple forms of habitats you have saddles, you have
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: you know, these train driven funnels, and you can kind
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: of piece that together and discern where these deer have
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to travel across to form a terrain, and then it
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: makes you a lot more effective hunter, whereas an agriculture
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of times you're not going to get those
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: trained driven features. There was one property that I did
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: in agriculture actually that had a block of timber, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that block of timber had these really steep ditches in
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: it that was forcing travel and that setting, I mean,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: that would make it kind of a bow hunter, slash
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: rifle hunter's heaven, and then it was it was an
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: amazing property. But more often, more often than not, if
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you're in an agriculture setting and you don't have that
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: train driven excluding the creek beds where maybe you have
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: a really steep bank up along the creek bed that
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: you can mark and say deer don't walk up and
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: down that, they'll walk around it. But beyond that, if
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: you don't have any more train features, then bow hunting
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: it becomes a little bit more difficult in my opinion,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: because you have so many deer at that point, you
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: have so many eyes, so many noses that you're trying
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to full and the only benefit you get out of
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: that that they're being such a high deer density is
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: if you move into an area and you bump twenty deer,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it's not unlikely that you're going to have twenty more
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: deer move back through. I think I said then the video,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: and that's a good feature. Whereas in hill country, if
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: you accidentally your wind swirls or something happens and you
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: bump the deer that are moving through your particular area
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: out in front of you, say a group of five
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: dos or maybe a younger buck, and they decide I
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: had to bump out. Well, they probably just alerted all
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: the other deer within three hundred yards of that area,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: and now everyone's going to kind of halfway avoid your
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: location a little bit more, and you're not going to
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: have another group of twenty bucks or twenty deer moved
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: through that area. You might have a cruising mature buck
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: still moved through that spot, but very unlikely in comparison
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: to the agriculture setting. So yeah, no, they definitely have
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: their big differences. But if I was hunting with a bow,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I would want to stand hill country, and if I
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: was hunting with a rifle, I'd want to go to agriculture.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That's kind of my consensus on that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Those farms you were flying in the Midwest rag country
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: were you able to were those hunted or how heavily
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: were they hunted or when? Like did you have any
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: background information of like, oh, yeah, a guy was hunting
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: in there yesterday, or was there any of that intel
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: or data that people are obviously wonder like what does
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: pressure do it? Like, well, here's what this one example
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I tried to do a couple of studies
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: where I actually had guys just that we're going to
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: be hunting that day anyways that didn't even know that
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I was out out here with the drone and I
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: was with the landowner, and me and the landowner were
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: kind of together, and then this guy was off doing
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: his own thing and he would go out and hunt,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: and I would observe him and the deer moving around
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: him and the effects that he was having. And I
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: had a point to go off of that. And now
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: my brain completely blamed. I started going down that I
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: had a really good point to go off of that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: But that's okay, But yeah, I mean, ultimately it just
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: kind of seed seemed similar as to what you what
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: you would normally think that the deer are going to
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: be bouncing around you. One guy actually did hunt a
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: out of a tree stand, and that guy, I don't
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: think he had a single deer come within fifty yards
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: of him. So, and he was in a pretty flat area.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: He was nearby creek bed. I think he was attempting
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: to utilize the wind to shove his scent into the
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: creek bed. But at the same time, I think that
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that wind was a little bit swirly, it was kind
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: of low. It was you know, five mile prior wins,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't benefiting him much. And then a lot
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: of the other hunters they were just climbing up into
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: box blinds and sitting and you know, in a lot
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: of those settings, once the guy made it into the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: box blind, then he was invisibled all the deer around him.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And oftentimes they were utilizing a UTV or a tractor
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: or something to get into that box blind, and whenever
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the UTV would pull up to the box blind, all
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the deer around. You know, say you've got a deer
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty yards away on an ox bow
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: beted down a mature back. He'll just kind of halfway
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: lift his head, won't even pay attention, He'll just keep
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: looking forward. He might kind of halfway address that he
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: heard something. But as long as that UTV stayed running
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and it pulled up, the guy got out, climbed up
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: into his box blind, UTV turned around, drove away. Deer
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: didn't even budget muscle, And then you know, forty five
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: minutes later, deer stands up, moves out into the field,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: and he may have not walked into range. In fact,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever recorded where a mature buck
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: had moved into range of any of these hunters. You know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: he's eighty to one hundred and fifty yards away. And
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: that's kind of the big problem with agriculture. If you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: wanting to hunt those box blinds and big open fields,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: is you're probably gonna see a lot of mature box
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: and you can take pictures with your phone oftentimes, but
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: unless you're able to really find, you know, finite your
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: setup and get honed in on where those bucks are
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: actually moving out into the field, it becomes pretty difficult
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: to actually get on one with a bow. So and
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that that was pretty common is what I see. But uh,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes by utilizing those box lines and kind
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: of a scent proof ish setup, they they weren't getting
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: detected hardly at all, and it kind of benefited them,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think, but it also is kind of to the
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: detriment and they were sitting and watching deer lot mm hmm.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: What in terms of for summer scouting too, Let's say,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: do you have any examples of where you were following
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a bachelor group or following a specific buck throughout the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: summer And you know, everyone there's a lot of theories
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and ideas about you know, summer shift and that there
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: is a lot of changes that happen from summer to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: November in terms of habitat change. But for someone that
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: is one of uh, you know, I got this awesome
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: bachelor group, I'd kill I God, killed two out of
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the three bucks, and I'd be thrilled to do you
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: know that to happen. What trends or relocations have you
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: potentially been able to identify that would be helpful for
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: someone to have in the back of their mind.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the number one trend for summer scouting
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: in early season for my area, which would be southern
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Missouri is if you can find a bachelor group or
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: in particular target buck that you're wanting to actually target
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: and attempt to pattern. I think that that early season
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: is the only time that you can truly potentially pattern
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: a deer in his habits because he has limited cover
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: sources that he's using. He's grown very accustomed to them
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: over the summertime, and he has a handful selected and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: those are the ones that he utilizes very consistently. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: then he kind of has a pretty stable food selection
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: of food source that he's wanting to go out to,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: and it's about to change in the early season because
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: you might have acorns drop and things that are happening.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: But that first week of season from my area, which
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: would start on September fifteenth, that first week is almost
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: always a section of timeframe where you can potentially pattern
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: one of those bucks off of the summer if you
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: go out and you're able to visually observe them where
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: he's moving from his betting area, what he has as
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: a food preference potentially, and his consistency in those areas,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean, you can sit around and delve
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: up a plan as to how you want to get
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: up on him and hunt that first week very aggressively,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, and I think that's part. Sometimes you'll
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: see people and I have a friend that does this
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: almost every year, where he'll enter the season a little
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: bit cautiously because he doesn't want to mess anything up
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: or shove those deer off of his property, and he
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: wants to retain them deeper into the fall. But oftentimes
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of those summer bachelor groups, they're gonna be
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: dispersing anyways.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You might keep a couple of them, but for the most.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Part, a lot of them they're gonna move out into ranges,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: and their range might consist of you a little bit,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: but for the most part, a lot of those deer
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: are going to move away. And he plays it really
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: cautiously for that first week versus playing really aggressively. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: because of that, oftentimes he sees those bucks pretty consistently
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: because he knows where they're coming out at, he knows
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: where he needs needs to be set up on. But
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: he he just kind of feathers the edges and slowly
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: moves in and tries to just not miss anything up
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: but also potentially get a shot. And once a week passes,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: week and a half passes, then all those deer just
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: you know, acorns start dropping, testosterone starts rising, and they
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: start splitting, and he misses out on getting a shot
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: on one that on.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That first week.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I think the first week is everything
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: as it pertains to summer patterning. And after that first
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: week week and a half, then everything starts splitting up,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and it does become pretty hectic and chaotic, even from
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: a drum perspective, where you know, I was tracking a
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: group of four bucks, you know, for a month and
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: a half straight and leading up to season, and then
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, now I only have one of
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: them remaining that I'm able to track. So now deer
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: number fifty seven, you know, fifty eight and fifty nine
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: are all gone, and I have to sit around and
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: watch deer number sixty and continue to track him and
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: still see if I can find those other three, but
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: more often than not, they leave the area and I'm
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: not able to relocate them.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So in that that example, you know, fifty seven through sixty,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the one that stayed, was that the most mature one
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: or was that a subord in a buck?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, that was an example, but yeah, I have some
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: real examples off of that. We're battery groups.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't know the exact numbers of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: those year whenever I.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Was doing it, but Press is like, dang man, you
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: got it right off the top of my head, And
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: if I pulled up my notes, I can give you
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: real numbers. I guess, but no. One example that I
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: would have is I guess it was a group of
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: five Bucks in that one and really oftentimes in my area,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: even a bachelor group, it's not going to be a
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: bachelor group of five mature Bucks. It'll be a bacheler
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: group of maybe like two or three and then a
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: little bit younger bucks. And yeah, you might, you just
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: kind of have to roll the dice. But if you
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: end up having the better habitat and that group of
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: five Bucks are already in that core area, you're your area,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: and you're able to see them visually and you're getting
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: trail cam pictures of them whatever, and yeah, I mean
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: more often than not, if that's their home area they
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: already have, then one of those mature Bucks is going
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: to claim that spot, because all five of these Bucks
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: have been claiming this spot all summer long, so more
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: often than not, a mature buck will take that location,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: and he'll kind of not that they're territorial, because they're not,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: but they more so just just start having a lack
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: of care for one another and they don't really want
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: to be near each other. But yeah, more often than not,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: a mature buck will claim that spot though in the end,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: and he'll start kind of ruling that roost, and the
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: younger bucks will kind of feather away, and really, the
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: younger bucks, those are the ones they kind of stay
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: around anyways. You know, the mature buck kind of claims
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: it and that becomes his mature buck home range, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: there might be other mature buck home ranges that overlap
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: with his. But the younger bucks, they're just intermixed all
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: over the place. So you might keep both of the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: younger bucks and then the other two mature bucks they'll
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: they'll go ahead and move away. So you had three
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: mature bucks and two young bucks. Now you have one
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: mature buck. Very likely you'll still hang onto those two
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: younger bucks and they'll just kind of they'll have a
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: really wide range because they don't know what the heck
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: is going on. Their testosterones out of whack. They see
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: doze and they have feelings and they don't know they
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing, so they're just walking all
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: over the place aimlessly trying to figure it out. While
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: the mature bucks they kind of they have everything dialed in,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: they know where they want to be for that fault range.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: What do you think is a misconception or something that
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: people don't fully understand that you've been able to maybe
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: slightly uncover of just summer habits transitioned into hunting season
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: habits for because I mean you every year there's like
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: there's two camps of deer hunters in the summer, guys
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: that are drastically overconfident about how their season is gonna
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: go based off of summer intel. And then there's other
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: guys that when it's September fifteenth, they're like, Oh, I'm
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: bummed about this year. And then you know, usually there
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: is a flip flop, there's a pendulum at some point.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Is that something that that you've you've observed, But that's
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: just something I've just noticed behaviorally from friends and talking
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: to people like, Oh, this is gonna be the best
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: year ever. And they check in and they're like, oh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be the worst here ever. And then
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: this is the inverse of that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it depends on the friend and how
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: they're getting their intel to build their confidence. Right, So
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: if they're if they're building all of their their theories
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: and confidence based, you know, ideas off of purely trail
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: cameras versus actual infield scouting and in coordinate with it,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: then I think, yeah, you might run into a little
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: more failure there because you're you're chasing some ideas that
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: might drive you a little bit mad. Whereas if you've
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: already done the infield scouting in tandem with your trail
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: camera information, you're piecing together a much greater story and
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: that confidence might roll over in success. But yeah, no,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: probably the number one thing that I tell a lot
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: of people to look out for. And I see this
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: all over the place, and I already mentioned it with agriculture,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: same thing down here in hill country is and it
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a true early secessional, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: rolling into the fall native habitat field. It can just
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: be a fescue field that that was going to be
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: cut for hay and it's still tall and they didn't
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: get to it and it's going to stay stay that
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: height deep in the fall. Those fields tend to hold
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of deer. They just enjoy them. They enjoy
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: sitting out in them and bedding in them during the
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: daytime whenever they're sun or I don't know what it
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: is that's actually driving them there, but in particular, if
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: you can find a field that is invisible but close
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: close to humans but invisible to humans, and it's grown
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: up waist high at least, then deer will flock to
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: those fields and they'll be all out on the edges
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of them. They'll stand up in them, and they'll just
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: kind of browse around and mill around and hang out,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: or maybe move if there's no actual native forge in there,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: they might just move out to the wood edge and
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: browse around and nip on stuff. But they really have
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: a preference for hanging out in those fields that are
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: specifically invisible to humans, and that could be terrain driven invisible.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: It could be blocked by trees and just environmental things
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: that are causing it to be broken up by our
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: ice the line of eyesight. But it could be one
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty yards away from a house, it could
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: be twenty years yards off of a dirt road. I mean,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: they really take a purference to that stuff. And in agriculture,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I seen it a lot. And this wasn't this was
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: an early season. This was during you know, actual season.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: But there were a lot of fields that were grown
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: up and they would go but up to all these
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: these roads that were going through and a lot of
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: the roads in these areas they kind of seem to
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: make like a square or rectangle shape. A lot of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: straight line roads with these perfectly cut fields in them,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and those those grass fields native fields, they would run
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: right up to the edge of the road and you
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: would have like a five yard span of the ditch
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: that's being managed by the state, and then beyond that
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: you would start getting into that native grass habitat three
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: to four yards off the native grass habit which I
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: think I included a video clip of it in that video.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't make a big deal of it, but I
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: did include a clip of it where there's a mature
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: buck and he's bedded like five yards away from the road,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you know, or you know in the native grass yea
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: from that berth. So and that's very common where they'll
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: just bed right up against human presence. And if they have,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: if they have the habitat for it, then they'll just
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: lay down right there and that way they can sit
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: there and hear everything that they want to, and if
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: they need to, just kind of pop up and utilize
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: their line of sight. But more often than not, I
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: think they're just going to stay hunkered down and listen.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: I think they're very comfortable in that environment because they
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: just know they know that nobody walks through this field
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and this is kind of my home, and they're very
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: comfortable in it. So definitely, just keep an eye. I
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: wouldn't go walking through those fields. I would just keep
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: an eye on those fields and acknowledge their presence, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: then maybe start thinking about finding ways to scout the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: edges of them and find ways to look into them
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: late in the evening early in the morning and.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: See if there's activity.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: The other thing, actually, and that I said early in
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: the morning, is that early season lack of early morning hunting.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that I know, at least
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: if we're talking about people that we know that purely
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: hunt the evenings come early season, they're always whining about
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: how warm, you know, how hot it is, and to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: get destroyed by mosquitoes and these types of things, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: oftentimes in the morning it's sixty degrees and in the evening, yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: it might be ninety five degrees that evening, but in
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the morning it was sixty degrees right at sun up,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: And if you get out in the morning, deer also
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: kind of acknowledged that it was sixty degree sixty degrees
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: in the morning. And I know that oftentimes we like
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: to think that, you know, they're purely going to be
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: feeding in the evening and they're doing a lot of
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: their morning activity and banging out routes and trying to
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: figure out stuff in that timeframe. But I see a
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: lot of browsing take place in the morning, especially in
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the early season. Whenever you have those massive heat strokes
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: where it's ninety five degrees until the last ten to
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: fifteen minutes of light, then a lot of morning activity
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: takes place on those days because the temperature just allows
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: for them to in fact over eighty five ninety degrees.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It's kind of dangerous for them to be up on
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: their feet. Esp It kind of depends upon where you're
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: deer at, you know, right, so if you're in southern Florida,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: then those deer, they probably don't give a crap. But
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: if you're in Iowa and it's ninety five degrees, then
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: those deer are going to be freaking dying because they're
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: not built for ninety five degrees in October fifth, So
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to play your terrain and know
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you're deer. But from my area, particularly if it's ninety
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: plus degrees, then those deer are going to be pretty
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: hard shut down. And as soon as it starts to
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: below that in the last fifteen minutes of light, they'll
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: get up and they'll start moving. But if you look,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: if you just look back towards the morning timeframe, when
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: it was fifty five to sixty five degrees, and then
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: it stays that way, you know, all the way up
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: to eighty degrees until around eight to eight thirty PM
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: or am. Then there's a lot of morning activity happening
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: in that first hour hour and a half of light.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: So with that being said, do you feel that hunters
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: could effectively get in in the morning without busting the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: er off like beating food sources, or would you suggest
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to kind of hunt and the transitional phase of anticipating
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: where they may go to bed is that I assume
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: potentially the play.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it obviously depends on all the variables
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: that are in play for you. There there's so many
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: that especially that can take place in early season. The
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: number one thing being what that feeding source is. You know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: if you know where that oak tree is, that this
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: oak tree that's hanging out in the middle or not
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the field, but thirty yards off
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: of wood edge and it's kind of in a little
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: bit of a depression and it always puts on this
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: crazy mast and it's it's a white oak as well,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: and you know where that's at, then yeah, maybe honing
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: in on that a little bit and you might be
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: able to hunt the fringes that Another strategy that I've
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: had success with and I know people have had in
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: this area is going and utilizing your past history of
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: knowing where their betting areas are and then also kind
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: of acknowledging when they're going and feeding in the morning
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: time and then trying to get back into their beds.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: And it plays back into that role of just being
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: highly aggressive like that guy that I had mentioned earlier
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: where he only he kind of hunts the fringes for
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: that first week. There are times where there are strategies
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: if he could just sneak in the backside and lump
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: up into the top of the hill where we know
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: that they like to bed, and just hunt that betting area.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Oftentimes the mature buck is going to be the first
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: dear back to that betting area. So if you can
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: just slip in, there's a good chance, I mean, there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: a great chance you're gonna bump deer, but there's a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: decent chance involved that you're going to actually be able
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: to get a shot off on that group of Bauchler
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: buck bucks moving back into that bed first, And that's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: a that's a potential strategy. I mean, ultimately, it's there's
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: so many variables though, just to be able to carve
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: out a strategy for people on early season hunting, it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: it is pretty difficult, but yeah, that's the.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Way it goes.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: That's the way it goes. It's always the situation with
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the deer hunting with a bow. Yeah, it's just not easy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, so, based off of flying
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the drone of the summer, what is a non obvious
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: trail camera location that could be beneficial for someone you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: putting together a game plan to locate or learn more
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: or pull data sets for a deal that they're really
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: excited about hunting this fall. And so obviously some of
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the obvious one would be edge of an alfile field,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: edge of a soybean field. That's great, you know, But
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: what's a non obvious location that might be worth the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: point of camera that maybe a lot of people think about.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, it's great if you know where
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: that dear is going to be at whenever it's feeding.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: If you've planted a summer food plot and maybe you've
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: got an acre of cowpees and you know for a
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: fact that it's just piled with tender every single evening,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: then you're going to be attempting to hunt that. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: more often than not, I don't really care about where
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: that end destination is as much as I do how
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: they got there. So, you know, if we're in hill country,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: then I'm trying to figure out how in the world
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: are they traveling this train and making it to their
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: destination because oftentimes, like I just said, if you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: let's say you work early in the mornings and you
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: just can't hunt mornings, and you have to hunt in
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: the evenings, that last fifteen minutes of light is where
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of that movement is going to take place.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: If you're purely hunting food sources in the late evening
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: for mature box in the early season, you're probably not
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: going to have a lot of success because they're not
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: going to be there at the time that you can
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: see them and make a shot off legally in light.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: So you have to find a way to get deeper
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: into their form of habitat and intersect them whenever they're
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: moving to you. And so with that, in terms of
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: the trail camera location, I would advise a lot of
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: people to start paying attention to light are in ONYX
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: and utilizing the slope aspect.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: There's a tab that you can click.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: On it just made a video on it, or going
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: in and using train X and just honing in on
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: where terrain drives deer movement. And it's a new kind
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: of a different way of looking for funnels. There's kind
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: of the general way of just looking at a hybrid
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: map with top topo lines and hashing out where general
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: very obvious funnels are, but this is taking that where
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: there's these very obvious funnels and then intermixing with all
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: of the other forms of terrain, and also marking every pond,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: every house, I mean, anything that can force travel, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: would want to know about it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And then whenever you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Find these areas where it's a little bit more honed
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: in where their route is and it's creating what I
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: refer to as an invisible funnel, that I would be trying.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Potentially it depends to put a trail camera in there.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: But you know, right now, there's one study that I'm
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: doing as it relates to human objects in the woods
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: and actually me and I think Zach Fernbau started getting
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: me on that a lot. I got him obsessed with
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: funnels and he's got me obsessed with this topic. And
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: it's the idea that deer kind of create these berths
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: around human objects that are placed in the woods, whether
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: it be trail cameras or in particular ladder stands. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I think we've all experienced that as well, where we
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: go and sit in our light and you know, say
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: you have a long time ladder stand that's just been
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: there forever, and you go and sit in it, and
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: it feels like a lot of the deer that day
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: are just moving with fifty yards away from you, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: further just this, Yeah, this beautiful bubble that's been created
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: around you. We have all experienced that. So I'm researching
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: that and I feel like there's something to it. So
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: in that essence, I would maybe be a little careful
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: and a little cautious as to where I would put
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: that trail camera. And if I knew that it was
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: creating a funnel, and if I knew that it was
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: honing down that travel, then maybe just keep the trail
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: camera out on the food where they're kind of used
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: to that human presence. Anyways, they already know they're entering
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: a risky area by walking into the open, So introducing
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the trail camera in that sitting might not be that bad.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: But then combine that with your knowledge of preseason scouting
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: and scouting an on X and try to merge together
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: a plan to get up and you just you just
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: move in and hunt that. Become a mobile hunter, slide
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: up in there and hunt that versus setting a trail
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: camera up on it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying, you know, if somebody wants to go
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: in and put a trail camera on that funnel that
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: you find, But at the moment.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Personally, I would be cautious with it. I'd be I'd
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: be careful.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I have I have one request if you will for
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: that research. I think you should have one where it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: how ninety nine percent of people hang their cameras, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Billy Betton, hide just right on the end of the tree,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and then hang another one in a different control area
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: where you you try to make an effort to it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: May be already doing this and may you hide, you
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: hide one, or you hang it up a little bit
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: higher to see if there is any difference that you
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: could quantify with that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: So the first, the first trail camera study that I
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: ever did was on a ridge that I called Big
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Ridge and that was the season that I was researching
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: the deer named Winter and I never got a trail
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: camp picture of him. And in that project, I mounted
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: every trail camera in a very obvious, you know, waste
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: to stomach high location on a tree. And I was
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: intentionally doing that just to kind of be the standard
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: run of the mill guy that walks out and just
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: slaps a camera on a tree.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That was that was the idea. But I am I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: am doing one.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't I wasn't able to get to it last year,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: but I'm doing one this year where where it's going
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: to be in that same area, and you know, I've
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: had a whole year for it to kind of die off,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: so maybe it's a good thing that I'm going to
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: be moving back in again in this area. But all
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: those cameras are going to be solar powered, so I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: gonna be able to go in pre season. And they're
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: also going to be powered off of nine volt batteries
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: I think, but or twelvel batteries, but I'm gonna be
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: able to go in pre season. Hang these cameras, put
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: them in very inconspicuous areas up high, aiming down, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going to try to scent proof myself as much
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: as I can. And I'm going to have the same
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: amount of cameras as I did on the first study,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: and we're going to see if there's any difference from
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: study one to study two. But even then, I mean,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: even the trail cameras definitely have their use. But the
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: biggest takeaway I think that I had from that study
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: whenever I did it, was that even when I was
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: getting trail camp pictures, I was getting pictures of like two, three,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: four deer, and you have to think that that's the
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: amount of gear that walked within that direct vicinity and
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: right in front of the camera. But there were situations
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: where they were fifteen to twenty five deer they were
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: walking through that location, and I was only getting pictures
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: of four of them. So just just be aware of
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: things like that. Whenever you're utilizing trail cameras. There's no
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: harm in utilizing them, and they can definitely be beneficial
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: if used correctly. But if they become your insay all,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: you know, it's everything that you believe in, then it
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: can become a little bit destructive to your strategies and
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: you definitely combine your actual experience and everything else. Because
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: if you're getting that trail camp picture in my setting,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: if I would have got that picture and I was
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: wanting to go the next day and there were only
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: four year in front of my camera, then my brain
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: automatically would have thought, well, it was kind of it
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: was a decent day, but you know, doose are moving
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: through but didn't miss ay? Yeah, I just didn't miss
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: anything crazy. But if I had been in the woods,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: it would have seen twenty plus year and an awesome hunt. Yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: they'd been stinking amazing. And also the mature buck walked
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: thirty yards away from the trail camera as well, he
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: was just on the back side of it. So yeah,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I know it had been an amazing hunt. But just
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: just keep that in mind. Everybody for sure is that
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: yeah that don't don't let it control all of your thoughts.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: But they can definitely be used as a tool. It's
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: all tool.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: This is anyone that has ran trail cameras have fallen
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: into the trap that you just perfectly described. Anyone, anyone
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: that runs one camera has had that same enter dialogue
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: of like, well I didn't miss much, and obviously they're
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: a great tool, great resource and can be very beneficial
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and helpful. But yeah, you know with the hard data
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot that you do miss. Let me
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: let me ask you this, what have you noticed any
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: sort of impact from summer chores. Like during the summer,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: people people who usually like if they have a free
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: weekend or a free day, they'll go out, they'll taker,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: they'll you know, they'll do a little trimming checking on
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: their food plot, even though they might have a camera
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: on it. But just I'm gonna put it in the
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: tinker category. They're not going in there with a mission,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: They're just going there to go there. Have you noticed
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: any sort of long lasting or short or short short sighted.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Impact of that behavior?
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: None that I can just speak super firmly on, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I can say my beliefs on it, my beliefs or
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: that it doesn't have much of an impact, and if anything,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: it's actually beneficial. I think that introducing AD you either
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: need to do one extreme or the other extreme, and
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: falling in the middle is where I think it becomes
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: kind of a little worse. Like, say you only get
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: out there once a month, then I think once a
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: month is worth worse than once a week. And you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I think once a month is also worse than if
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: you don't go there all season, because if you don't
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: go all their season, then it allows you to kind
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of attempt to sneak into their habitat a little bit more,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and the deer just aren't used to human pressure, so
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: they might be a little more curious about it, whereas
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: if you're in there once a month, they kind of
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: have a little bit of a no how on you.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: But if you're there once a week and you're there
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: all the time, then all the deer just grow accustomed
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: to you, and I think that that can definitely become beneficial.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, we see that clearly with agriculture settings where
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: it's farmed consistently and they're always on the property. There's
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: human activity, UTVs, tractors, you name it, people talking, people
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: sit around fire, drinking, you name it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: They're always there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: And in that setting, like I explained earlier, they could
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: be drove into their tower with a UTV every single
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: time and they're going to have zero effect on those deer.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Whereas if maybe you have a property.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Where you've only been on there once a year, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: then now rifle season comes and you're going to go
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: drive back out to that stand on opening morning of
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: rifle season with a UTV and maybe you just park
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: your UTV at the base of your stand and you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: don't even get dropped off at it, then that's going
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: to have a dramatic effect in comparison. You know, I've
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: seen that a lot with just kind of the history
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: of my main research property growing up. We all recognized
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: very early on that it was the best if you
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: could just get dropped off at your stand, whereas if
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: you were the last person in that train, say it
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: was three guys and you dropped off two, and then
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: you had to drive up near your stand and park
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: a couple hundred yards away from it and walk into
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: your stand. More often than not you would have the
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: worst hunt out of those three. We all started picking
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: that up, so we would try to like pin Grandpa
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: at the last bit, so it's like Grandpa has to
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: drive it, because who cares grand black kills a dear,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: So that way we could still be successful. Let him
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: drop us off along the line. We recognized that very
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: early on, way before traill cameras and drones. So no,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: there's there's definitely effect. And the benefit to that property
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: is you know what I was saying, is that property
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: it's kind of driven. Like there's a ranch down here
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: in southern Missouri called Cloud nine Ranch. It's just a
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: UTV a TV rants. So we joke that that that
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: property is kind of like Cloud nine Ranch because people
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: go out there and they drive four wheelers on it
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: and UTVs, And for a long time a lot of
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: guys felt that maybe it was having a really bad
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: impact on the property. But in the end, I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: that it's actually having a beneficial property, you know, act
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: on property. If you're going to be utilizing four where
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: THEIRS UTVs. Things like that to access your stand, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: you have the people available to be able to drop
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: you off and leave. But if you're just driving to
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: a location and you shut the key off and you
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: stop in that area, then that's where and I've documented
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: that a couple of times, that's where it has an effect.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Deer deer immediately, you know, in the in the in
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: the setting where I explain in agriculture, where they drive in,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: drop the guy for the tower, leave it running the
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: whole time, and then turn around and drive out where
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: that deer is just kind of sitting there and he's
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: not paying attention. The moment the key shuts off, their
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: heads up and they're kind of they're checking out, why
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: why did why did you stop the UTV?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Why do you turn the key off? What are you doing?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: And the moment your foot hits the woods and you
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: start crunching leaves and you're allowed human because you sound
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: like an elephant walking through the woods in comparison to
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: anything else, then yeah, I mean, you just you screwed
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: everything up, so it can become pretty difficult, Uh to
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: give it an all say answer.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: But those are kind of my opinions. I have a
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: lot of opinions, but.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your what's your spicy his opinion, my spiciest opinion.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: That's one that you're like, Man, I don't really want
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: to share this opinion because I think people call me nuts.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I'll spot here. Yeah, no, it is.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: It's actually one of my favorite subjects to talk about
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: in private. I don't talk about it much, but yeah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: it's it's a weird one. Well, the other day I
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: got asked a great question on a podcast and it
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: was it's all reframe its that way I can answer
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: your question. But he'd asked me if I could research
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: any deer in the world ever, from from all of history,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: which year would you research. I think it's probably one
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: of the greatest questions everybody. That is awesome, an amazing question.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: It was a Pat Pat I don't know, I can't
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: pou last name, but from hunt Stock. He's the guy
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: that I started hunt Stock and event I'm going to.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Be at in July.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: And you know, it was a great question and I
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: thought I sat around and it was like, well, you
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: got the ron Paula Buck, and you have all these
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: really heavy conspiracy theory bucks and there's yeah, there's a
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: lot of really good ones that you could do. The
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: world record typical. I'd love to see how how old
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: he is if I could have researched him from the
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: time that he was born. But if I could, who
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: was any deer in the world, it would be the
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: non typical buck that was found dead in Missouri in
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties and the world record. And my reasoning
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: for that is because I'm really curious about his origin story,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: whether he was just a high fence deer that escaped
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: and it was all accidental, whether he was truly a
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: wild animal, which I would love to believe, and I
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: think that would be amazing if he really was, or
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of research that was going in
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: in the seventies you started reading it. I started seeing
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: it a lot in books because I read all books
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: from early nineteen hundreds all the way till now, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: you can piece together stories over a period of time.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: And there were a lot of hunters in that seventies
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: eighties that were faking kills with high fence stuff. We'd
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: go down all those weird topics. But in the seventies
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: there was this large push that started occurring for creating
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: genetically modified white tailed deer and attempting to create Boone
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Crockett white tailed You're in a high fence setting in
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: particular typical animals, and they were working on all these
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: different types of flasks and things that can transport semen
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: from white tailed buck and then different ways to inject
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: a dough And there's a lot of things that were
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: documented and talked about throughout this time frame with universities
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: in Texas and Penn State and places like that, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: later into the seventies and in the eighties, a lot
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: of those conversations that were in tandem with conservation agencies
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: started disappearing, and a lot of those talks of all
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: of these amazing things they were trying to discover that
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: there's not as many things that are readable anymore for
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the public eye. And then all of a sudden, world
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: record non typical was just found dead randomly in Saint Louis, Missouri,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: in kind of a suburbish area, and.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: It just didn't make a lot of sense.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: So I would I would love to know if there's
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory behind that to the fact that maybe
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: there was a push with conservation agencies to begin introducing
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: genetically modified deer into public lands or just land, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: potentially even private lands just to wild settings at the behest,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: to enhance tag sales in those states and in increase
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: hunter interest, to promote the sport. And you know, it
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: may seem like a far fetched, you know idea that
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I have, but if you just look at our brother
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: fishing and you want to go fishing, happens all the time.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: They take genetically modified fish. We'll just look at Lake
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: taney Como. I just talked about this in my last video.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Like tany Como, they have infertile brown trout that are
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: introduced into the waters. It's not even a controversial subject hardly.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: It is a little bit if you start getting into
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: the we we caught the world record brown trout because
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: people are like, well, it's it's an infertile brown trout,
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: so it doesn't really count.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But in terms of just for the sport going and
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: catching the.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Brown trout, I mean, everybody enjoys if you can catch
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: a twenty plus pound brown trout, then that's pretty stinking awesome.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: But the Conservation Agency you know, we we publicly put
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: these brown trout that are infertile, these males that no
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: longer go into testosterone cycles, so that way they can
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: fatten up and become these trophy sized brown trout. They
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: publicly put them in the waters. So who's to think that,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: you know, it's too far of an idea that they'd
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: taken genetically modified deer and implanted them into public land
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: or private land settings to potentially increase public interest and
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: sell more tags. And the more tags you sell, the
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: more the more of a chance that you have to
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: be higher in the Pittman Robertson Act. And also the
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: more hunter interests that you have, the more items that
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: you're selling to people, whether that's guns, ammo, hunting equipment,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: the more of those forms of equipment that you sell,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: the more money that gets put into the federal pool
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: at the Pittman Robertson Act. The more money that's in
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: the Pittman Robertson Act, the more incentive that there is
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: to sell more tags to get the federal money from
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: the federal government. So it kind of kind of all
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: works out to be a pretty big fancy story. And
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: call me a conspiracy theorist, But I you know, I
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's one hundred percent fact that you
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: or or actually even an idea that you can go
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: down that it that it truly potentially happened. But I'm
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: really fascinated at how how cleanly all of those dots
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: start to connect once you connect them and you place
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: them all out on a document in front of you,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: and it's kind of like, oh wow, there actually might
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: be an incentive there.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: So that's pretty hot. That's a hot take. What's your
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: thought on it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's overly far fetched, Honestly. I just
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: crossed my mind too that there's some there's some rewritten
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: history in the world of white tails.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I feel, you know, that's that's fairy. I mean, look
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: at the General.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: I interviewed Josh who bought the General antlers, and at
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: some point in time those got trimmed up. So I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot more of white tail history that
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: we all take as fact that may have some blurred
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: lines or skewed truth for whatever reason, whether it was
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: monetary or I mean, hard to say what the motivation
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: would have been. But we'll both be picked with tin
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: hats here. But I don't think it's completely far fetched.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I only another topic that I've gone down recently is
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: like the introduction of crossbows. While I was doing I'm
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: doing working on a video related to archery and the
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: detriment of single lung and liver hits and what causes
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: all of these single lung, single lung and liver hits
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: is somebody that's tracked deer a lot with the drone.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: I've also just shot some deer, and then I've also
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: partaken in a lot of just tracks pre drone, and
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: then I know a lot of guys that have thermal
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: drones that are tracking deer. It's pretty general consensus that
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of single lung and liver hits that
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: take place. So I've delved down this deep avenue of
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: archery history, and in the avenue of archery history, I
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: came across crossbows. And obviously, crossbows are a cool tool,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: and they introduced new hunters to the sport, and I
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: love that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: But the one thing that I was noticing was this
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: mass push for passing them. Kind of in two thousand
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: and six it started, and then in that twenty ten
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen, rain and a lot
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: of crossbows started becoming legalized in all these states. And
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: if you think about it, the same story that I
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: just told you also can potentially connect the dots with crossbows,
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: where if more crossbows start being sold, that's good for
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: the manufacturers that are selling crossbows, but it also all
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: of that funding goes into the federal pool for the
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Pittman Robertson Act. And the more hunters that you can
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: introduce into the sport of archery to become dual season hunters,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: then the more tags that are being sold at the
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: state level, the more tags that are being sold at
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: the state level, the higher spot on the totem pole
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: that you can potentially get. So it incentivized states to
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: legalize crossbows, to have more hunters, to potentially get more
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: money that's being put into the pool of the Pittman
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Robertson Act. It's just a fancy little connection point that's
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: very similar to the one that I just stated related
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: to introducing genetically modified deer.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, yeah, that's I think you're right.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking of people that only gun hunted in
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: the past. And now they buy an archery tag and
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: a gun tag, and that's you to sell two tags
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: to one guy.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: I look forward. You do all the hard work and
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I'll just listen. So, I mean, I overthink a lot
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: of things. Well, guys, remember I sit with a drone
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: controller and I just I stare at this stinking thing,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: watching dear bed for hours of a day. So there's
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of time for me to
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: kind of spool around in my brain and go a
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: little crazy on ideas. And but that's I mean, these
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: are kind of just some of the connections that I'm
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: not I mean, I'm trying not to cast out a
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: ton of conspiracy theories, but these are just little connected
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: making and I would love, I would love to ask
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: some some people with more power than than I have
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: on some of these subjects and just see their opinions
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: on them.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Then well, no, that's that's great. Well where can people
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: fall along with with everything you have going on? Really
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: enjoy your videos and I appreciate you hopping on here today,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: but where can people track you down?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: White tail research just across the board. You can google it.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: I post pretty much everything to YouTube. I also have
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: a Patreon, which is White Tool Research, and I post
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: kind of behind the scenes content on that, but most
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: of my mainstream stuff that I'm that I'm posting I
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: post to I post strictly to YouTube. I'm trying to
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: get to the point where I post things more on
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Instagram and other stuff like that, but it just it's
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: kind of a big workload to manage the YouTube channel
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: on its own as the content creator and the person
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: that gathers all the video and then I also have
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: to make the videos, and then I have a wife
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: and three kids. So I'm trying to work up my
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: capabilities and post more frequently frequently, but it is it
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: is difficult at the current workload that I have, so
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: but I am trying.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: But Moral Story YouTube that's where most of my videos are.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: And then I do have Instagram and Patreon and stuff
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: like that, but I don't post to those as frequently
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: as I do my YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I love it, well, Derek, thank you once again.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Really enjoyed the conversation and thanks for having me on
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: as you unfold these conspiracies.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: We can do an episode on that too. Yeah, I
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: All right, there, you guys, have you guys enjoyed this
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• 1:00:19
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  Speaker 2: week and weekend. We'll see you next time.