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Ancient Alien Cargo Cults - Ryder Lee · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 6: formerly known as Springfield, Ohio. Now, folks, I will be
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  Speaker 6: your pilot and navigator for this Shenanigan infused journey to
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  Speaker 6: the mind of this particular garbage can dude and joining
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  Speaker 6: us here at some point in time, My co host
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  Speaker 6: Nick from The Occult Rejects will be also joined us.
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  Speaker 6: But we got a guest here, Writer Lee, talking ancient
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  Speaker 6: alien cargo cults, and you know, perfect timing as well
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  Speaker 6: as we've been working on this show for a few
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  Speaker 6: weeks getting this together, well, I'm sort of with planning
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  Speaker 6: in advanced a few weeks ago to the point where
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  Speaker 6: great timing with us current UFO, you know, flap of
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  Speaker 6: drones and other weird activity going on in the guys something.
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  Speaker 6: Writer has done a lot of research and study into
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  Speaker 6: these subjects, and you know where these two intersect actually,
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  Speaker 6: these these alien sy ops and the ancient alien cargo
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  Speaker 6: cults and the potential occult surroundings of some of those intersections.
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  Speaker 6: So some stuff writers well versed in, and a lot
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  Speaker 6: of a lot of stuff we've been talking about here
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  Speaker 6: on Operation GCD. But Writer, I appreciate your time. Bud,
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  Speaker 6: welcome to Operation GCD.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for having me on. Really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: We got a lot to talk about. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: can get in takes so many different directions. And we
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  Speaker 4: talked before we started the show, and you were familiar
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  Speaker 4: with the work that I'd done on a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these UFO cults. I have a whole series of them
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  Speaker 4: on a YouTube channel. There's a playlist on there called
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  Speaker 4: UFO Doomsday Cults and.
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  Speaker 3: That's the race By show.
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  Speaker 6: You got there on YouTube, and I'll podcast platforms too,
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  Speaker 6: it seems right, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Sir, you find it on rais by Giants on YouTube
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  Speaker 4: and anywhere that you listen to podcast Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon, iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 4: anywhere you listen to the podcasts. You can find the
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  Speaker 4: show sipe.
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  Speaker 3: With your link three in the in the show notes
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  Speaker 3: as well. Therefore it but so.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 6: Writers writers UFO Doomsday Cult series. Highly recommend it. We'll
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  Speaker 6: just be touching some of the surface level of some
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  Speaker 6: of those things. I've listened to that series. It's a
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  Speaker 6: fantastic series.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I really appreciate that. I put a lot
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  Speaker 4: of work into it. So I really hope people hope
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  Speaker 4: that blows up later on, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: and people will really yeah the gems that are in there.
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  Speaker 6: There's interest in the topic, I think, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I think more and more people are looking to the
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  Speaker 6: skies and they're having some questions, So I think that's
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  Speaker 6: gonna some turn some interest that way. And as I said,
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  Speaker 6: I've been doing some ancient alien cargo cult discussions here
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  Speaker 6: and relative not just the cargo cult kind of philosophies,
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  Speaker 6: but some of the cult members' activities. For example, the
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  Speaker 6: introduction we heard from Outcast, well, they're apparently what's considered
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  Speaker 6: one of the quote unquote New Wabbian millionaires according to
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  Speaker 6: the public relations folks from the New Wabbian Nation, which
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  Speaker 6: was an ancient alien cargo cult, Black nationalist cargo cult.
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  Speaker 6: Mound builders. They you know, they're the descendants from ancient Egyptians.
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  Speaker 6: Dwight York, the cult leader these you know, that was
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  Speaker 6: they're kind of their philosophies. They built a huge four
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  Speaker 6: hundred and fifty acre ancient Egyptian city on the mounds
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  Speaker 6: in Georgia, Sphinxes Pyramids, complete with a nightclub in the pyramid.
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  Speaker 6: Because Dwight York is kind of the inventor of hip
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  Speaker 6: hop music, so a lot of hip hop artists, you know,
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  Speaker 6: pay homage to him and their lyrics. Jay Z pays
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  Speaker 6: homage doing for starting his career. Jay Z's first music
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  Speaker 6: video was shot at the New Abby Nation Center in Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 6: New York.
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  Speaker 4: So we see how they was turning out for jay Z.
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  Speaker 4: Right now he's being sued along with U Diddy as well.
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  Speaker 6: And then so you beat me to the bunch that
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  Speaker 6: rider go. Let's say jay Z might be meeting his
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  Speaker 6: friend Dwight York soon. Dwight York Florence super Mix prison
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  Speaker 6: for the next one hundred and fifty years for kid
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  Speaker 6: deadlie and child sex trafficking, So him and jay Z
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  Speaker 6: might be seeing each other soon there in Florence.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that reminds me of this call called the
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  Speaker 4: Aralian Cult. It was I think it was episode four
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  Speaker 4: of My Doomsday Call series and all revolves around this
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  Speaker 4: guy named Ryelle and he essentially bought all this property
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  Speaker 4: in Canada and he made this it was basically a
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  Speaker 4: sex callt a UFO sex cult, and he would, you know,
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  Speaker 4: have this ladies dance in front of them and then
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  Speaker 4: he would pick out the best woman and have sex
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  Speaker 4: with him that night. And it was like for like royalty.
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  Speaker 4: It was these women and he said that he was
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  Speaker 4: training these women for the Alohem to be there, essentially
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  Speaker 4: their slaves whenever the Alloheim land and on Earth in
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  Speaker 4: twenty thirty five and give us all of their robots
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  Speaker 4: and all their technology and their cloning technology. And he
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  Speaker 4: also started this company in Canada called Clone Aid, where
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  Speaker 4: he supposedly cloned the human beings.
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  Speaker 3: And in two thousand, yeah, about that, right, the cloning.
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  Speaker 4: They said that it was all real, and they cloned
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  Speaker 4: the person and her name was Eve, and now she
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  Speaker 4: lives somewhere in Israel. Imagine that, and where no one
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  Speaker 4: can you know, no scientist has ever been able to
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  Speaker 4: examine her to see if she loan and all that.
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  Speaker 4: And then supposedly the story goes as he was on
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  Speaker 4: this mountain range and saw an Aloheim ship, and the
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  Speaker 4: Aloheim came and picked them up and took him in
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  Speaker 4: the space and took him to his to their home planet,
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  Speaker 4: where they gave him a bunch of these sex robots
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  Speaker 4: that he can have sex with it. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: he got the idea to start this clonal company.
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  Speaker 6: But the cults, aren't they every time always sex goults.
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  Speaker 4: The leader has got to be having sex with all
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  Speaker 4: of the everyone that they can possibly get their hands
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  Speaker 4: on and what reminded me of you know, you're talking
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  Speaker 4: about this where they built a lot of this acreage
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  Speaker 4: and all this stuff. Well, apparently the Ryal they need
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  Speaker 4: to get donations and a lot of money in order
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  Speaker 4: to build this Alohem landing pad for the extraterrestrial Aloheim
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  Speaker 4: to land in twenty thirty five. And if they haven't
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  Speaker 4: built the proper landing pad for the Yloheim, then they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to show up and share their sex robots
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  Speaker 4: with humanity.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be a real bummer. I hope we don't
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  Speaker 3: miss that on that with them? Was it the Ralians?
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  Speaker 6: That's that's the Swastik assemble that Kanye tweeted out right
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  Speaker 6: and got a banded from Twitter.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting group, those brilliants.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's like a Swasta guy inside of
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  Speaker 4: a Star of David.
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  Speaker 3: Which that's right, that's right, very unique symbol.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the word the backwards one too,
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  Speaker 4: so it's not or it could be the one that
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  Speaker 4: the Nazis used. I would have to look up a
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  Speaker 4: picture again because we know that the one that the
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  Speaker 4: Swasaka the Nazi used were completely different than what the
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  Speaker 4: original swastika, like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or the Native American swastika for that matter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's an interesting point because there's another styl
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  Speaker 6: of Swatsika of a group that I often like to
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  Speaker 6: highlight in their activities in this world, and it's kind
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  Speaker 6: of the intersection of what I think is these UFO
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  Speaker 6: or anchient alien cargo colts and modern day Satanism, And
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  Speaker 6: that's a group like the Processed Church of the Final Judgment,
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  Speaker 6: an off shoot Scientile, which is in the sense and
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  Speaker 6: offshoot they're the Oto, but the process used of the
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  Speaker 6: swats because their symbol, and they have a very ancient
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  Speaker 6: alien cargo cult theology where they have these the watchers,
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  Speaker 6: which are these sort of disembodied spirits that lifts orange space.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, to me, they seem obviously like demons, but
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  Speaker 6: you know, that's that's kind of how I.
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  Speaker 3: Look at a lot of the subjects.
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  Speaker 4: They all have like a weird mixing of theology and
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  Speaker 4: mysticism mixed up in there with them. But whenever, you
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  Speaker 4: you know, get down to the fine details of like
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  Speaker 4: all these cults going back from the early thirties with
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  Speaker 4: the Cult of im that we were mentioning earlier, whereas
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  Speaker 4: literally all of these New Age beliefs all stem from
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  Speaker 4: the cult of I Am with Guyana and the Ballard
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  Speaker 4: within the United States, and then that created all of
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  Speaker 4: these different offshoots of all these cults. But it really
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  Speaker 4: started to hit hardcore around the early fifties. You had
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  Speaker 4: all these Fox cults in these cults really popping up
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  Speaker 4: around the fifties, and that is the exact time that
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  Speaker 4: the CIA started their mk ultra programs, like within a year.
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  Speaker 3: Range, like any timing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, with scientology there as well, right, because it's obviously
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  Speaker 6: not Justice CIA, like probably Office of Navy Intelligence, air
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  Speaker 6: Force Intelligence doing their program.
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  Speaker 3: Air Force really got into the mk ultr stuff, have you.
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  Speaker 3: I believe Yes they did, were some of them. They
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  Speaker 3: really loved that stuff, didn't they.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the most interested in and out of
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  Speaker 4: all the agencies. And we can only wonder why they
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  Speaker 4: were the most interesting, you know, because and then you
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  Speaker 4: look at all the sightings of UFOs over the years
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  Speaker 4: since nineteen forty seven, and you'll you'll get a big
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  Speaker 4: reason why that they would be interested in using mk ultra.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the whole Men in Black story is very
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  Speaker 4: reminiscent of a like an operation, right, Like if you
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  Speaker 4: put something in the sky, and you put something out there,
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  Speaker 4: and then you'd let people see it, and then you
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  Speaker 4: go and ask them questions about what they've seen. That's
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  Speaker 4: like a follow up to an operation. That's what you
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  Speaker 4: would do. In an operation. You would essentially sort of
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  Speaker 4: fabricate this event, and then the people that witness the event,
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  Speaker 4: you would go to them and then ask them exactly
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  Speaker 4: what it is what they saw, and they would be
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  Speaker 4: like a perception test, because some people would claim that
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  Speaker 4: they would see one thing and other people would claim
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  Speaker 4: that they've seen another. And that's a common thread throughout
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  Speaker 4: these UFO sightings and even abduction sightings like that the
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  Speaker 4: Manhattan alien abduction documentary that's on Netflix it just came out,
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  Speaker 4: which I'm a huge fan of. I loved that documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Which one is this which abduction case is familiar?
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  Speaker 4: It's the Manhattan alien abduction case that involves Bud Hopkins,
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  Speaker 4: which I did a whole show on Bud Hopkins using
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  Speaker 4: regression therapy to regress people back to when they think
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  Speaker 4: that they've been abducted by aliens, which is just a huge,
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  Speaker 4: big farce, you know, to because you have the ability
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  Speaker 4: to implant thoughts into people's heads. When it comes to regression.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, regression does serve a really good therapeutic sense.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually supposed to help you with like addictions and
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  Speaker 4: like quitting smoking and like alcoholism and stuff. That's what
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  Speaker 4: regression is originally supposed to be for. It's not for
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  Speaker 4: figuring out if you've been abducted by aliens or.
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  Speaker 3: Not right, new habit forming stuff, not the alien implants
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  Speaker 3: and whatnot.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, the guy Ballard, the originator of this colt of
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  Speaker 4: I AM, was also a hypnotherapist. See a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these runners of these cults, like the called of Universal
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  Speaker 4: Medicine out of Australia. He was also a hypnotist. The
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  Speaker 4: ground Crew cult, that guy was also a hypnotist. So
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  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, is it just a coincidence that
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  Speaker 4: these people are also hypnotherapists that are running these freaking cults.
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  Speaker 6: That's a great point because another relative to some of
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  Speaker 6: the process discussions I've had her on Operations, GCD, touch
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  Speaker 6: Base a little bit, and some other some other process
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  Speaker 6: researchers have identified these hypnotists that are all surrounding the
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  Speaker 6: Manson situation, and some of which are very US Navy
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  Speaker 6: spooky type of characters that no one really talks about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, then there's evidence pointing to the fact that that
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  Speaker 4: the CIA was actual people that taught Manson how to
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  Speaker 4: hypnotize people using drugs.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think, and I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 6: a lot of the big secret around him is is
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  Speaker 6: that these programs are still being used for.
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  Speaker 3: For a lot of other functions, not just specifically that one.
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  Speaker 6: They have more of a general use of drugging and
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  Speaker 6: hypnotizing people to get them to do whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 6: means necessary.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think, uh, you know, I think I
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  Speaker 6: think we're we you know, kind of what your point
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  Speaker 6: was of the nineteen fifties. The onset of a lot
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  Speaker 6: of these these uh, these UFO doomsday cults raccinally in
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  Speaker 6: cargo colts is the we now live in an era
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  Speaker 6: of which these these cults, in my opinion, have have
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  Speaker 6: literally taken over politics and society right to the point
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  Speaker 6: where there's numerous instances where they intersect within the upper
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  Speaker 6: echelon of of American politics, but also other other nations politics,
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  Speaker 6: including like Mexico, who had numerous uh uh children of
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  Speaker 6: former presidents of Mexico high up in the Nexium cult
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  Speaker 6: for example. So you know, there's a lot of these
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  Speaker 6: these cults that that have intersected the upper echelons of politics,
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  Speaker 6: and I really think we just live in this whole culture.
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  Speaker 3: These things have taken over.
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  Speaker 6: I use the image of C three of You from
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  Speaker 6: Return of the Jedi as the image and the and
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  Speaker 6: the and the cover art for for tonight's.
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  Speaker 3: Show because that's kind of I get a lot of
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  Speaker 3: questions of like.
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  Speaker 6: What is an ancient alien cargo cult? And that's kind
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  Speaker 6: of a you know, it's kind of a depiction of
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  Speaker 6: what an ancient alien cargo cult is where the e
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  Speaker 6: walks there and have have discovered C three PO and
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  Speaker 6: the Nike he's a god, and then they create this
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  Speaker 6: whole you know, veneration of them.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a perfect example. And yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: Return of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 6: Right Yeah, that's Return of the Jedi. And again it's
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  Speaker 6: existing in a gal in a galaxy far far away,
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  Speaker 6: in a time long ago, far far away. So it's
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  Speaker 6: literally in the credits, the opening credits, they tell you
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  Speaker 6: it's an ancient alien you know storyline, right, it's a
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  Speaker 6: long time ago in a galaxy far far away. So
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  Speaker 6: that is the story of ancient aliens right there. That's
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  Speaker 6: you look at scientology, they have a story of a
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  Speaker 6: tale of a long time ago in a galaxy far
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  Speaker 6: far away. They just don't call it star wars. They
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  Speaker 6: call it, you know, xenoism if you will.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's the thing about a lot of these
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  Speaker 4: cults too, is like they always change up their doctrine
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  Speaker 4: whenever people start catching on that they're called is full
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  Speaker 4: of shit, and they always you know, try and backtrack
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  Speaker 4: on it and change exactly what's going on when things
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  Speaker 4: start to not pan out, and they all copy off
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  Speaker 4: of each other as well, like seekers UFO cult from
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  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty four, which no one ever really even heard
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  Speaker 4: of until I started talking about it, and then it
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  Speaker 4: was actually on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix
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  Speaker 4: recently where they talked about it and I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: where did they get this from? But anyway, uh, the
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  Speaker 4: Cold of nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Where was the Secrets? I'm I'm not familiar with these guys.
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  Speaker 3: The Secrets?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this was called also out of Chicago. Just how
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  Speaker 4: the Cold of I Am is also out of Chicago
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  Speaker 4: as well, and it was established, and I think around
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  Speaker 4: this December of nineteen fifty four, which a lot of
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  Speaker 4: them came up. In nineteen fifty four, you also had
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  Speaker 4: the UHL after created, right, yes, and you know the
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  Speaker 4: Air Force is doing their test of the you know,
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  Speaker 4: running the test for NASA until NASA completely took that over.
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  Speaker 4: And but it really revolves around this lady called Dorothy Martin,
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  Speaker 4: and she basically told her cult, that her followers of
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  Speaker 4: this cult that the United States was going to be
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  Speaker 4: essentially destroyed by a gigantic earthquake in a huge tidal wave.
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  Speaker 4: See that's another thing that these cults uses, like nothing
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  Speaker 4: but fear, which you can see that within this community
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  Speaker 4: as well, like people use the fear narrative to get
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  Speaker 4: people to buy things. And that's another one that the
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  Speaker 4: mainstream media also uses, is fear like you got to
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  Speaker 4: protect yourself in case of a giant disaster or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So Dorothy Martin her always apocalyptic spin, and that comes
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  Speaker 4: from Christianity of course, in the Book of Revelation, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what you know. The entire cult of the Waco
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  Speaker 4: cult with Dave koresh Uh or krush I get those
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  Speaker 4: confused because they're very similar to the UFO whistleblower that
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  Speaker 4: is Big Core Rash is the Waco leader. And then
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  Speaker 4: you have David Grush, which is the UFO whistleblower that
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  Speaker 4: testified in front of Congress, which is very similar in
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  Speaker 4: their name structure, in the way that you say their names.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: And I don't think anyone really caught on to that,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: but I just had the Waco the Gentleman that survived
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Waco on my show right before that, so I was like, Wow,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: this guy sounds the exact same title of David Thibodeau
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: was the guy that survived Waco that came on my shows.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: He was at Waco and he was inside the building
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: when it was being burnt down, and him and I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: believe eleven other people were the only survivors of that
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: entire incident. But anyway, Dorothy Martin, she convinced her entire
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: following group that this huge natural disaster was going to
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: happen and this tidle way is going to come in
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: and destroy the entire United States. And you know, she
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: got this information, of course from telepathic communication from aliens
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: that which she calls the Guardians, which then later gets
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: regurgitated with Ashana Dean's work with the Guardian Races and
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the DNA strands and the twelve strand DNA that she
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: wrote several books on later on in the nineties. And
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: it all comes back full circle, and a lot of
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: it starts with these UFO cults and the believers and
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the followers of this cult, you know, were they thought
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: that they were going to be saved by these massive
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: UFOs that were going to come down called the Guardian
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Races UFOs, And they said that it was going to
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: happen on December twenty first, nineteen fifty four, and then
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: when that didn't happen, they pushed the day back, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: then they just kept pushing the day back until everyone
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: just lost interest. But there was this gentleman that infiltrated
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: in the call called Leon Futzinger, which was a psychologist,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: and he infiltrated into the Seekers cult with the with
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: a goal of trying to study their psychological you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: they're they're essentially their coping mechanisms of when their beliefs failed. Whenever,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: you know, they would say that this was going to
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: happen on a certain date, then how would they justify
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the reason why that thing didn't happen and Leon.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: The apocalypse didn't come right, which seems to be an
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: ongoing trend that even though the apocalypse never come with
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: these cults, a contingent of the cult still seems to
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: stick around with a new leader, right with a new
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: date and.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Leon Fenger exactly. And then they try to switch it up,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: and they try and cover their asses and use some
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: kind of wacky, stupid explanation as to why the aliens
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: didn't show up, like that their spaceship broke down, or
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: that they met such secretly with the government and they
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: didn't do it publicly and things are going to change,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah, and just keeps going on
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and on and on and but a little well known
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: thing that people not well known thing sorry, that people
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: did not know about this cult was this calt is
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: where the term cognitive dissonance actually originated from, and originated
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: from this psychiatrist, a psychologist sorry that infiltrated into the
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: cult and studied these members whenever their predictions failed, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: he developed the term cognitive dissonance. And I was also
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: talked about in the documentary. So those people on Netflix,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: So those people had to have watched my show on
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: this this call the year before this call it even
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: came out. I mean, this documentary even came out.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a good nod to your research, then,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And this, uh, this is the on Fessenger guy that
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: created the term cognitive dissonance. Is so interesting because that's
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: why people within the UFO community call people that don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: believe in UFOs and don't believe in aliens, oh well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: they got cognitive business. They just can't wrap their minds
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: around when the term was actually first developed and came
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: to fluition from those people that believed UFOs and aliens.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: It's like a switcher through.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Sure, that's a I'm have to look more into. That's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: an interesting culture. I'm not. I'm not.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: That's especially with the origins of the cognitive dissonance term.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Like you said, it's so commonly used today.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I like your point, though.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: You also made their writer about the derivative nature of
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: these cults. And I don't know that you covered Heaven's
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Gate in your series, but I'm sure you've come across
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Heaven's Gate.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, so I did cover Heavens Gate, yes.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Okay, well maybe I missed that one then, But yeah,
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: so what were you what were some of your thoughts here,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: because they were really unique when it seemed like they
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: had some some strange government it contracts, it seemed. But
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: just the origin story they came from basically a mental
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: institution right in Texas.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, supposedly the Marshall apple White was what. There's so
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: many conflicting statements of how he met, uh, Bonnie nettle.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Some say that they met together at a hospital when
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Marshall apple White was going to check up on a
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: friend at a hospital and she was a nurse there,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: and another said he was locked up in a mental
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: hospital and that's how they met. But Bonnie Nettles basically
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: influenced him into a lot of these belief structures. And
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: essentially what Marshall apple White and Bonnie Nettles did in
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the beginnings, they traveled around to all of these spiritual
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: centers and all these New Age alternative belief systems in
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: the United States, and a lot of these centers and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: like Buddhist temples and like talked with all these people
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: so that they can form their guidelines of how they
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: wanted to structure their cult and to get their.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: That was manage real quick there, writer. So I just
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I that was that kind of your take what they
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: were doing with these different because I did notice that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: So they did go to these strange They went from
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Texas and they high tailed it. Their first stop was
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Oregon on their to understand cults and recruit folks. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: I found you like that'd be a very unique story
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: that I don't you recall the town in Oregon that
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: they went to, because I that I don't recall.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: One.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure on the exact town
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: in Oregon, but supposedly that was their very first meeting
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and they were handing out flyers around Oregon and they
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: were at this event center, and then they would and
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: people that went to that original first meeting in Oregon.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Uh so, like many people said that it was like
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: walking in and meeting uh Jesus Christ.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Right exactly right. Yeah, it was very beneficial for apple White.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: I mean yeah, So I guess that town that they
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: went to was a cult from the nineteen thirties that
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: was banished to that town. I believe they were originally
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: in corp of Valis and then it was the Holy
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Rollers and the interesting thing as far as these derivative
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: natures of these cults and stuff. I think that was
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: a great explanation because they did for some reason. If
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: you look at Marshall Appleway, the last thing I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: of is Jesus, right. So whatever you put on that,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: let you put onto that hotel that night. He had
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: some magic going on. But when they redid a part
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: of my series I do here on Operation GCD is
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: a look at the grunge counterculture, comparing it to Dave
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: McGowan's treatment of Laurel Canyon. And when I was researching
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: Seattle's Pike Place at one point in time number of
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: years ago, I saw that the Habit's Gate cult had
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: bought one of those bricks that they do when they
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: like to raise money and restoration of like a city
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: area or whatnot, rehabilitation whatnot. So they were redoing Pike's
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: Place and they were selling these bricks. You could donate money,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: get your name on a brick. The Heaven's Gate folks
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: bought a brick on the site where the Holy Rollers
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: cult leader was murdered seventy years prior whatever sixty years prior,
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: which is that is the cult that live in that
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Oregon town that they recruited. So this weird derivative kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: of cult network nature. I don't understand it, but all
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: these cults seem to they seem to know who to
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: talk to, right, you know what I mean?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And they would probably know that by traveling around
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to and getting within these inner circles of this whole thing,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: and the Heaven's Gate thing really started to fall apart
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: whenever Bonnie Nettles died and she got brain cancer and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: she didn't ascend into the fifth dimension to be transformed
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: into an extraterrestrial by the into the next evolutionary level
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: above human, right, because that's what their entire belief system
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: revolved around, was that this time was going to come
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: where they were going to be raptured up, which is
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: exactly like the Book of Revelation and Christianity. Christians believe
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: that a rapture is coming. It's all based around it
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: all has ties in christian And that's what the i
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: AM called was also about what it had all of
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: its roots and all of its ideology based in Christianity,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and it was a patriotism cult. It was, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: because Saint Jermaine was the one that influenced the you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the the Nation State, and wrote the helped write the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Declaration of Independence, like all the stuff. So then it
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: becomes a patriotic thing. And then it's giving people a
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: little bit of taste of something familiar that they can
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: kind of sink their teeth in while taking it in
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: like a semi new direction. And that's what a lot
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: of these cult members talk about within that you know
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: previously were in these types of cults. They were, Like
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: the reason that I was so drawn to it is
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: because I had never heard anything like it before. But really,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: where all these calls got all their beliefs and their
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: ideologies is ripping off all these people that came before them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Sure, I like what UFO series and called a cult Burrito.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: No, it's called Burreto with the classic called Burrito.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Nick. Nick.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Did you get Did you get sucked into the OTO
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: through some of these some of these similar solid tactics.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: No, I tell you the truth, I think they're more specific,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: specific ideas that they have. You know, I wouldn't say
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they have a lot of them. Actually probably pushed me away.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: From it even more.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Oh no, No, it was just honestly the OTO Again,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: like I said, it was the only order around me
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: that fucked with magic openly as soon as you walked
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: in the door. And uh, between that and knowing that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it was so like eclectic with different types of practices,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I know I'd be able to probably run into somebody
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that might be interesting. I could learn from multiple people,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: but no, like their specific stuff is just like a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: little bit I'll tell you totally as a little bit too.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Much for me.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show and tell some some UFO slaps
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: from your neck of the woods, your old neck of
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the woods in New York, New well, New Jersey, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: mean the whole I don't know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: You see some of the images, Like I watched the
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: news Nation clip Arler, they had some radar images. There's
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: drawns literally all across New Jersey right now for some reason.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing that they're saying that they just
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: disappear and then like they go dark. That's a direct
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: quote from a lot of these people that they just
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: go dark. Well what does going dark mean? Like, do
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I mean that they just turned the lights are just
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: being turned off? Or like what why could you not
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: see this on a thermal imaging camera? Or you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the military has freaking military grade night vision goggles. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: mean I've used them. Yeah, I've used them at UFO conferences.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Like you're telling me that people can, like civilians can
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: get these military grade night vision goggles. But the military
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't have military grade night vision goggles.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I can assure you, right, Yeah, they do for sure.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: They have something called In fact, they have something called
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: short wave infrared, which is different from the heat signature
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: infra red. Short wave infrared basically just detects mass, any
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: object with mass, so you can see through any fog,
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: any smoke for miles with a short waving red And.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Then they don't know what but yeah, they call them drones.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense, like, oh, hey, yeah, these
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: are a bunch of drums, but we don't know what
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: they are. You just said what they were. You just
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: said that they were drones. Like how stupid do they
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: think that we are? They literally think these people think
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: that we're the dumbest people on the planet.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because the soul is nick, as I was explaining
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: to the folks of the interwebs, writer and I were
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: playing originally planning the show's scheduled a couple of weeks ago,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: before all this current drone and quote unquote U A
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: f u A p ufo whatever they're calling these days flap,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: but yeah, I mean it's literally everywhere, and the way
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: that folks are acting about it just seems overtly ignorant
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: because it wasn't from yeah, the drones to what drones
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: are you talking about? To now writers got a clip
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: here they're manned vehicles.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a White House representative yesterday come out
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and say that they're they're manned aircraft? So I what
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: are they? Are they from Iran? Are they Is it
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a mothership from Iran? Is it Aliens? Is it UFOs?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Is it UAPs? Is it freaking manned aircraft?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: How can this be happening for so long? And then
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: they have no idea what it is? It makes your sense?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: But how's it going next? All right? And uh, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: speak to you. How's it going?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Brother?
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Good to see you. I love your shirt, bro, thank you,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: thank you for today the Jason Jason for Christmas.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Bro.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: Actually the thirteenth episode of live episode of Operation GCD
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: live here on Friday the thirteenth.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, that's why I did it up.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: That's this is an very good point though, Yeah, why
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: would these things need lights.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: It seems like they want to be seen by having
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: these these various multi colored lights. For sure, it seems
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: the whole, the whole mess of it doesn't make a
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: lot of sense. But yell me pull up this this
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: clipper you brought rider because it's a good uh, it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: a good indicator of what's going on here with some
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: of this, some of this nonsense about these drones or
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: whatever they're supposed to be.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, here we go.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I just want to add a few comments on the
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: reports of drone activity here on the East Coast, particularly
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: in and around New Jersey. We have no evidence at
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: this time that the reported drone sightings pose a national
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: security or a public safety threat, or have a foreign nexus.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are investigating
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: these sightings, and they're working closely with state and local
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: law enforcement to provide resources using numerous detection methods to
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: better understand their origin. Using very sophisticated electronic detection technologies
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: provided by federal authorities. We have not been able to
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: and neither have state or local law enforcement of authorities
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: See this is really strange. That what he just said
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: that it almost sounds like that they're denying that they're
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: even there exactly.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, we can't corroborate it. Wellt what does
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: that even mean? It's such a legally way to approach
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: But then he goes on to say, and the rest
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: of this, it's only got about twenty more seconds left.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Then he goes on to say that we'll just listen
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: to it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: that are being operated lawfully.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: So he says that we can't coroborate any of the
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: video footage from anything that was taken, but it appears
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: that they're manned aircraft, So which is it? Like, Yes,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: it's the most ridiculous double speak that I've ever heard.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: United States Post Guard is providing support to the state
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: of New Jersey and has confirmed that there is no
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: evidence of any foreign based involvement from coastal vessels. And importantly,
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: there are no reported or confirmed drone sightings in any
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: restricted airspace.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Which is completely opposite to what they originally said. They
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: said that it was that they were in restricted airspace
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: and it is so crazy, dude.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So there's been numerous reports of Lanley Air Force Base.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: In fact Germany, number of air force bases in Germany
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: just today had more had some drone reports. So there's
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: been a number of military installations Edgewood Arsenal and they're
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: in uh Redstone Arsenal. I believe whatever army weapons depot
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: there is in New Jersey that I can't currently think of.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Edgewood, it wasn't Edgewood. Some of the first experimental uh
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: ultimate programs exactly.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: That's their Maryland, good.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Old Edgewood all the Army.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Where Frank Zappa grew up. And Frank Zappa was a
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: member of the Church of SubGenius, the UFO cult, right.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, the Church of SubGenius. That's such a
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: wild When I covered that one as well, that one
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: was wild. I mean it was obviously it seemed like
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: a parody cult like that they were, because everything that
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: their excuses like for why none of the stuff that happened,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: it was just like so ridiculous, like how could anybody
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: believe this stuff? Seemed to me to be like a
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: parody cult.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: They definitely come off as a parody cult for sure,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: but they definitely also like they seem to have some
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: actual belief system to them. I mean, to me, they
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: come off a lot of Discordian, but even the Discordies
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: that think have a have a pretty strong belief system
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: for claiming not to be a religion.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Praise Bob, as they're saying right within the church SubGenius, Yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: praise Bob, Bob Dobbs.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good Bob Dobbs. And that they actually got the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: photo out of a back of a freaking yellow phone
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: book and I found it in the back pages and
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: then cut it out and made the made the version
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: of that Bob smoking cigar.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: The characterized version of Bob. Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: He Well, that image is funny you mentioned that, because
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: that image is and the impact of this cult has
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: gone pretty far, not only Frank Zappa, but that image
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: was used on the Sublime forty Ounce the Freedom album.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know. I didn't realize that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the it's that Bob Dobbs image. The other
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: folks like Pee Wee Herman I believe was a was
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: a member maybe, uh, the least singer of DVO i've
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: read was a member of these folks. Across the spectrum
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: kind of a society.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: I was trying to Maybe I was thinking the wrong guy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: David Berner was talking hands. Maybe that's what I was thinking. Devot,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: thank you. Yeah, and my eighties bands mixed up.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Easy to Do.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Robert Anton Wilson was was was a part of the
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: Church of SubGenius. So one thing that really interested me
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: with the Church of SubGenius, Nick, are you familiar with
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: these folks, the Church of the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Subjects at all? So they do a lot of recruiting.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: It seems within like they have a very mysterious kind
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: of background, right, Bob Dobbs, is this kind of character
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: that may exist or may may not exist in our
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: own timeline?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Right? Writer? Is that kind of the story there? Am
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I getting that right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: It's basically right. It's like the basically a fictionalized, propped
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: up character that they've kind of created, and then they
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: gave them like a giant backstory behind them and created
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: all this mythology surrounding them. And one of the funniest
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: things about this cult was these UFOs were supposed to
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: show up at a certain time in a certain date,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: and like they had this manuscript that was written from
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Bob Dobbs that only the heads of the cult could read.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: And then they went out and it was supposed to
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: be on a certain date because Bob Dobbs apparently wrote
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: out a calendar of when the aliens were going to
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: show up. So they're all standing out in this field.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: And then the aliens didn't show up, and they said
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: that they mistakingly read the calendar wrong and they were
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: reading the calendar upside down. So that's the reason why
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: it didn't happen on that date. That was one of
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: the funniest cover ups of why the aliens didn't show up.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That people can't realize they're looking at something upside I
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: don't want them to tell me anything else, right, right, yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you just you just right like I'm gonna fucking take
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: my life, you know, might put my life in your
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: hands now.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Right yeah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Well, And another interesting thing I find them interesting is
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Bob Dobbs allegedly gets his messages, takes orders from an
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: alien named ion Io and and through some sort of
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: channeling procedures, right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I believe that's how the story goes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: In fact, there's a website called Ion and Bob which
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: kind of highlights this relationship. Not a very creative name,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: it's just it is very descriptive of what you'll find there.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: And one thing to interest me with this is the
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: intersection between characters like this Robert Anton Wilson included being
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: a member of the Church of the.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: OK lose them.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Did he freeze? He froze? Yeah? Dang, Nick, is your
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: trying to shine baby? Get yeah?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Right? I just had something into my mind too that
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask and it just totally threw me off.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Now and the whole thought escape to me.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: What I would saying was the the intersection between these
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: UFO Ancient Alliant cargo cults and conspiracy culture. Right, Robert
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Anton Wilson is this major conspiracy culture figure.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: Populated a lot of the modern day mythos surrounding the
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Illuminati and a number of other, you know, a number
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: of other topics, but notably Bob Dobbs was very close
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: with May Brussel, who's this you know, kind of the
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: queen of conspiracy culture. In fact, you'll find Bob Dobbs
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: an ion in Bob dot Com. I'll put a link
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: in the in the show notes for folks of the interwebs.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: We'll see Bob Dobbs is there at May Brussel's funeral
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: eighty eight.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Well, there's so much overlap between the beliefs of these cults,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to the Cult of I Am
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: in their early thirties. Like if you just you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: replaced Guy and Edna Ballard with Trump and JFK Jr.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: You essentially have the q Andon cult, like I'd say, verbatim,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: the exact same.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's interesting you point that out, because isn't it
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: isn't there some associations with the q Andon movement and
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: the IM cult and members of the.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Well, everything that they talk about is basically like the
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: exact same thing. Like the Cold of I Am talked
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: about how Saint Jermaine was going to come back and
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: then he was going to restore the gold standard to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: the the Federal Reserve, and that the Saint Jermaine's trust
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: was going to be distributed to everyone evenly, just like
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: the QAnon call talks about Nasara Jasara and how we
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: have all this money and then like when all this
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: stuff happens, everyone's going to get millions of dollars in
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: their bank account.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And all that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: So it's like it's like verbatim, like almost the exact
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: same thing. You just switch up some characters in there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: And also the Court of I Am had many spiritual
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: things that are talked about to this very day. They
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: came up with the idea of twin rays, which is this,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: you know, love connection between the somebody like you're incarnated
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: on like someone's incarnated, and then your other self is
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: incarnated and when you come together, you're complete and all that,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: which is now what is called trim flames exactly.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: It's like that's just an excuse to keep having an
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: unhealthy relationship go longer than that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And then there's actually a twin flame cult too.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that ship.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: They were fucking crazy.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't do a show on it, but I've I've
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: learned about it and right up about it. Yeah. Well
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: they'll literally set up these people together and like make
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: them do all this like.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Each other's twin flames, even if they had known.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Oh really they so other. I see what you're saying.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: They're convincing.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: They're there, they're they're they're destined to be with one another.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Well that's what these cults do, right, They kind of
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: and they forced members to marry each other, and it
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: seems like the actual idea of marriage is very fluid
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: with a lot of these cults, including even scientology, where
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: they're just you know, they're they're these ancient aliens stuck
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: in these human bodies. So these marriages are very temporal.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: They don't you know that, they don't have to take
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: them very seriously, so they're often discarding one spouse for
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: another spouse within the cult.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like the Colt Examiner's comment here, twin Flames came
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: from the God of the Gnostics. Which the thing about
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: these cults is they don't it doesn't matter who created
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: it first, because they all copy off of each other.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: It matters to popularize the idea, and the im cult
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: was very popular. They would make millions and millions of dollars.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: They actually got sued in court for mail fraud because
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: they was sending these pamphlets to people and it promised
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: them all this stuff like spiritual ascension, like guy Ballard
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: had apparently had like this golden chair that you could
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: sit down in and you would have send to the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: fifth dimension and like all this stuff. And they were
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: sending these pamphlets like in people's mailboxes in order to
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: you know, entice people to send them money, to like
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: send them donations in the mail. And then eventually all
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: these people, after being scammed for a lot of years,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: they ended up suing them back for millions of dollars
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: and all the money that they lost.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: So it doesn't even come amongst the sign ptology crowd too. Right,
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: once they break free, they want to get all that
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: money back. So they start seeing them, Yeah, where do all.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: My money go? What do you mean? What do you
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: mean my money went to you build living a luxurious
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: life and having twenty five cars and living.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: In a mansion, or in Scientology's cases, they start building
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: things called like these superpower building. We're supposed to be
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: able to go there and learn superpowers, you know, like
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: your a Marvel Comics character or something.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Superpowers is a big thing, dude. Like they want to
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: be able to learn how to be psychic. They want
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: to learn and get all these mystical abilities, and you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: and that's what these a lot of these these cults,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: and these leaders of these cults I promised their followers,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: and none of it ever happens. I mean, that's what
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the Heaven's Gate cald was telling their followers to just
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: go out into a field and hold your arms up
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: for freaking ever and wait for the UFOs to come
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: rest you and we'll send you up into the sky.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: So they just had people randomly out there where I
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: can't around the fire, out there waiting for UFOs. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: they didn't say, oh, well, they're definitely going to come.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: They say, if you go out there enough, they'll show up.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: We don't know when it might be tomorrow, maybe next week,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: next month, next year, ten years. But you just got
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: to keep doing it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: And that same attitude is permeated again as you pointed
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: out a number number of examples of this derivative nature
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: of these cults, because then you have folks like Steven Greer,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: who's kind of at the epicenter. I think of this
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: alien nix like no nothing.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: And Cargo Coult stuff.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Because you have Aaron Rodgers, one of the biggest sports
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: figures going on one of the biggest sports shows, Pat McAfee,
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I believe yesterday or today, talking about how he was
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: going to go spend tonight with some lasers because he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: in New Jersey with the Jets. He's gonna go spend
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: some night tonight with some lasers and meditate trying to
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: contact these UFOs and drones falling over New Jersey using
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Steven Greer's CE five method.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, see all you gotta do. See it's it's
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: transferred and it's turned into something to for now. Like
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: back then it was like through the mail, it was like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: you know, send me money and now grant you you'll
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you'll send it into the fifth dimension mention next to
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: next evolutionary level above human and be transform into an
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: extraterrestrial from UFOs. And now it's download my app for
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: nine ninety nine and go out into a field with
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: your friends in contact daily. Right, the exact same thing.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. Right, is this kind of like
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: you just go out there and you think about it? Maybe?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Is that? I think that's what Stephen grew is kind
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: of d.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're supposed to somehow communicate with the UFOs, the
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: aliens that are inside the UFOs. You're supposed to telepathically
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: send them your coordinate of exactly where you are on
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: the Earth, and somehow they receive that message and then
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: they show up in their craft.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Sounds almost like magic, doesn't It sounds very cult ritualistics now,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is just my opinion. I think
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Stephen gri is using those people to do something else.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: How do you think if any anything in the Skies
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it's due to him and a few other people there.
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: Well, you gotta look, you fund at him right, then
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: you got you got people like Lawrence Rockefeller. Who Lawrence Rockefeller,
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: I'm sure riders picked up on a number of alien
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: projects he's financed over the years, besides just Stephen.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Greer scam scam ontess I think, I hate to say it,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: who's that Greer?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely? Well? Is that is that correct?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Lawrence Rockefeller was a big financier of one of these
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: activities for many years. I mean he's passed now, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: Career was a recipient of a lot of money from
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: my from him.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I believe there's some other characters as well.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Well. It's so interesting because so many of these people
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: are getting funding from private organizations and uh and and
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: private funders. Well we'll never really know about that have
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: passed away, and then like, you know, where do they
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: even get I mean, Stephen Grea said that he was
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: like what did you say? It was an emergency doctor
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: or whatever. And then like in the beginning, he's showing
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: up with all these like bodyguards. He has like a
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: giant entourage like around him of like ten people, and
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: he's showing up in like black ass uvs and stuff,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, he's got all this money
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: and he's wearing these super fancy watches and stuff like. Bro, like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: you're telling me you're making all this money off of
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: this freaking app that you made for people to contact
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: UFOs and aliens.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: No, I think he kind of erupted out of that
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: same scene of like people like Linda moulten Howe. Maybe
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: again with some of that financing from.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Lady she looks like a.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: She looks the fourth Well, there's more people that are
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: on the forefront of this financing, I think with folks
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: like Christopher Mellon, right, he's big. He's been big in
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: the intelligence the Melon banking family, but very influential in
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: the defense intelligence aspects of these programs.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Is that is that? Is that an accurate statement?
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Well, a lot of these people are funded by directly,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: directly or indirectly by the government or somebody from the government,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: and the whole thing is to I personally believe is
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: to try and dissuade people from all this stuff being
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: like extraterrestrial craft. Just as we've seen these craft over
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: in New Jersey, like they're now calling them drones, they
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: didn't come out and say that they're unidentified flying objects
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: or their UAPs. I think that this is actually a
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: push because they let the genie out of the bottle
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: with all the missing disinformation surrounding UFOs and extraterrestrials, which
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: comes directly from the government. All of the theories that
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: you've heard about aliens and UFOs came directly from the government,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: from the NSA and from the Air Force running psychological
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: operations on Paul Benowitz, which then spread out across to
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: all of ufology and those stories.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Get Yeah, he was very big in the seeding of
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of these ideas.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Pretty much all of them, every single one that you
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: can possibly think about for the top of your head,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: came from Paul Benowitz.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was kind of what Richard Dodie and
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: some of the OSI guys were kind of feeding him, right.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The the real person that, well, the real group
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: of people that were actually in charge of that really
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: wasn't even the Air Force. It was the NSSA. They
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: were the ones that were really responsible for all the
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: missing disinformation surrounding Paul Benimas, because they broke into his
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: home replaced his computer with an NSA modified computer to
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: make him believe that he's in communication through his laptop
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: or through his computer at the time with extraterrestrial aliens,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: and he was decoding all these messages. You know that
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: they were telling them that he was the chosen one
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: and that they'll only communicate with him, and that they're
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: here for Earth's resources, and that they've signed a contract
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: with the government to build these bases. And that's where
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: all the mythology of the Dulce Base in New Mexico
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: all comes out of with Phil Schneider, and then Bill
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Cooper runs with all these stories, and then you get
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the whole contract with aliens and extraterrestrills all thrown in there,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: which also came from Paul Benewitz, which then later Bill
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Cooper turned into a contract with aliens and Eisenhower. It's
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: all a psychological operation.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Sure, great synopsis of like thirty thirty about thirty years
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: of psychological operations right there.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I crammed it in really quickly because I've talked
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: about it so much, but I.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Summary, yeah, no, Paul and Paul Benno was Yeah, he
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: was very I mean they drove that dude nuts, didn't I.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, even literally went out of his mind. He had
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: to be hospitalized because it was just so ridiculously paranoid.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: They had his house bugged. The Air Force had his
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: house bug. NSA had his house bug that was set
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: up across the street and an unmarked NSA van and
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: then beam these frequencies into his house.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Was he just what was it Kirkland Air Force Base?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Is that where he was out of?
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah? It was right, Yeah, he was just right out.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: You could see Kirkland Air Force Base from the back
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: patio of his house.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: Which is a big is a big store, that's a
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: big I mean a lot of folks concentrate on, like right,
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Patterson for Project blue Book and the Nazis out of
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: out of Roswell and whatnot down there, the whole Roswell thing,
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: because Roswell was obviously staffed with Nazis down there as
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: well at that time. But a lot a lot of
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: that stuff get you know, gets alleged to be shipped
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: right Patterson, which seems b record of that occurring. But
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: Kirkland was also part of the same command that Air
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Force Material Command, the the Weapons Testy and Development Command
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: of the Air Force, so that and that's.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: What they were doing at Kirkland. Yeah, they were just
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: doing experimental aircraft. And Paul was seeing this from his
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: backyard and he thought that it was extraterrestrials.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very I mean very like the upper echelon of
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: secrecy kind of projects would have been tested there for sure, yep.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: And no one thought they'd go out there and drive
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: their car up to Kirkland Air Force Base and see
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: if this was a freaking helicopter or like some kind
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: of drone technology and not a unfl Come on, give
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: me a break. I mean, Bill was a shit. I'm
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: blinking on his name. I've talked about him so much. Bill.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: He was involved with the Paul Bennowitz affair. It was
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Richard Dody and William Moore. Bill Moore, William wore same
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: same thing. He pretty much blew the whistle in this
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: entire freaking operation and was like got up in front
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: of a Moufon conference in nineteen seventy eight and was like, listen,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: this whole thing, like if you if you strip away
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: all of ufology down to his bare bones, like you're
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: left with the Paul Bennowitz case. Like that's what it is.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: And he was telling all these people on stage and
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: at this move on UFO conference, and like people are
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: like booing them off the stage. They didn't want to
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: hear it. They didn't want to hear that this was
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: all a big giant fabrication by the government. But the UH,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: but it's gotten to the point when it's cold, been
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: allowed to go on for so long that there's really
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: no closing the lid back on this bottle.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Sure, oh, absolutely not.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: No, that's a great point because I was just what
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: I was gonna mention here, was familiar with the the
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: New York Posts. UH came out with a present an
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: investigatory report of the summer saying that a the Pentagon
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: had been infiltrated by an alien religion.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: I mean that's what it kind of seems like. I mean,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: that's the the arrow report that came out of Era.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: One of the last things that they did, they were like, listen,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: this is like circular reporting. This is all coming from
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: believers in this phenomenon when we have no substantial evidence
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: that any of this stuff exists.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yep, No, that you're spot on.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: That's exactly what this this this covers is that doctor
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: Sean Kirkirkpatrick and are a r report.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: And a gym to the entire thing. Like you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: he came out there, which is what the government's official
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: stance has always been on UFOs. They've always said the
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: And the the journalists that did this series, if you're
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: if you're not familiar with them, I believe his named
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Stephen green Street and.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Stephen green Street really great researcher, I guess yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: He Are you familiar with his is in depth investigation
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: into the Skinwalker ranch?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, I am, man. I'm also he also recently interviewed.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Uh he did a two part interview on doctor Sean
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Kirkpatrick as well for the New York Post.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you are from that's that's part what that's
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: a great series. Yeah, that's that was the part one
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: in that I thought that was a.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: And he's a real journalist, He's someone that really goes
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: in there and I asked the hard questions him uh
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: mcwest and John Greenwall Junior or like some of the
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: best people in this community that actually file four your
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: requests and try and get answers and not just believe
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: what everybody says over and over and.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: Over again, right, And I just believe the twelve foot
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: grades were coming to help us all out and save
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: save the gold reserves.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that the ascended Masters are going to come back
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: and save us from all of our problems.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I like Stephen green Street much like myself.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: He's a fellow, he's an ex Mormon, so I appreciate
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: his his h skepticism surrounding the Mormon you know, alien
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: business as well versus especially as covers of Skinwalker Ranch,
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: which is full of Mormons, the whole, it's the whole.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: It seems to be a whole Mormon operation. I think so,
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, and then next got some strong feelings in
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: that regard.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Well almost everybody. I mean, listen, I understanding your where
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: you are, there's gonna be Mormons, but everybody except for Bigelow,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: which I couldn't really prove, but I'm sure he might
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: be because there is a big olod name that runs
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: all the way back to like it's Joseph Smith, I think,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: or at least you're right, yeah, that, I mean they
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: so like that name is in the Mormon thing, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: everybody who's owned that house Mormons.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, contracts from Mormons.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: The people who are working over there now half of
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: them are Mormons. Brandon Fugel is a Mormon. The guy
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that his right hand man is more. What's up with
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: all these Mormons in this UFO shit over there?
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: It seems related, doesn't it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, Utah is nothing but full full of them.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: And also Utah is a really big place where like
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: these behavioral team modification camps go on as well. Oh,
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: they'll take these uh, these teens that are supposedly in trouble.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Their family pays this company to come and abduct their
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: child out of their room and basically handcoff them and
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: throw them in the back of an suv and then
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: take them to Utah in the wilderness and have them
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: hike for three months.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Utah writerliar the the any of the minor UFO reports there. Specifically,
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: the book had never happened. Volume one US Air Force
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: UFO cover.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Up revealed, I'm not familiar with that. P Thomas, No.
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: I know Panas has broughtup to my attention before. I'm
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: not familiar with it either, but definitely have to look
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: into that one because I was stationed in I retired
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: Air Force into twenty years as an MP and that
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: was my first assignment was mounts from Air Force based
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: Great Falls, and there's a lot of UFO lore surrounding
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: the nuclear missile sites up there.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Well, it's like they're trying to paint this like threat
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: that that they're a threat and that we need to
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: which can only be described as the reason that they
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: would do that is so that some sort of threat
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: could actually happen, and then it's really our technology, and
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: then they have to defend us from our own technology
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: with our technology, so then they can reveal that it's
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: our technology.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And if you ask folks like that needs to be the.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Only way around this quagmire that's been that's been put
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: in with this whole UFO topic, that's really the only
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: way around it. Stage of threat that is our own
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: craft and you say that there we don't know what
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: they are, and then that we have to create this
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: craft in order to defend ourselves from the craft, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: then that's the way that they basically then they defeat
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: that that enemy and then they're like, oh, guess what
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: we now have all this technology when we've had it
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: since the fifties or working on the fifties.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's moddel right. We gotta got to create the
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: enemy to fight the enemy.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: The thing is too that I think is interesting is
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: like the stuff that we're seeing now that like, oh,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: maybe it's drones, Maybe it's not. It's like, well, like
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I'm still sure the government has better technology than that
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: if we think that's a drone, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, even like the stuff that we're being handed
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: now is like quite possibilities to blow it off. Really
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: is high tech stuff. I have a fucking drone, you
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. How many people have drones? Like
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: that's not you know what I'm saying, Like, I just
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: feel like you get even a bullshit answer to cover
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: up that is just old school technology compared to what
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: the government has anyway, and.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and you try and you go take your drone, Nick,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: and go try and fly it over a military installation.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: What's going to happen?
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Thomas Crooks? Some affluid over restricted airspace at the July thirteenth.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, swin airput the won't even let me lift
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: go up exactly.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: They're banned in a lot of areas like you can
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: use them so but yet these ones will just let
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: fly around all over the place and not do anything
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: about them. It's so reminiscent of I'm sure you guys
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: remember I talked about this on my show today on
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Raised by Giants with Ryan Gable. It's very reminiscent of
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: exactly what happened a year ago with the Chinese spy balloon,
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: do you guys, It's almost identical, and it happened in
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: the almost the exact same month a year ago. The
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: same thing was happening, but instead of them being drones,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: they were Chinese spiballs.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: Flying over places like Mine Air Force Base, mounts from
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: Air Force Base.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: So they've been doing that because again there's been calens
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: reports out of Langley Air Force Base in Virginia Beach.
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: They've been having all sorts of incursions by some some
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: sort of craft for at least a month.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you're talking about like, uh, spy
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: balloons and we're talking about drones. I've always wondered, I mean,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's possible. Who knows but like Dji, it's
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: kind of a common brand that everybody uses for drones
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: because they make them underneath a weight where you don't
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: have to register them, so it's a lot easier just
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to fly your drone anywhere. Really, that's all made by China,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm like, if there was some
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: way for them to relay everything that we were filming,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this country is basically mapping itself to China
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: with those drones.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a good theory.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of Yeah, well, because it's huge,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: everybody uses that fucking company.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: And I know being seen right here.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: NORAD's commander just told us about Langley Air Force drone incursions.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: It had been going on there for a while. And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: is this broke two months ago? I believe almost two
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: months ago.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to bring up this article right now,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: which is the US, the UK and Australia using AI
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: power drone swarms and breaking military exercise, which is unbelievable.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Okay here it is. Okay, So the US, the UK
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: and Australia test AI power drone swarms and ground barricing
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: military exercise. August thirteenth, twenty twenty four and the significant
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: development for drone technology. The military Corporation in the United States,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: United Kingdom and Australia has been conducting joint exercises testing
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: and lamalless drones equipped with artificial intelligence capabilities. Trials took
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: place over Fort Ireland, California, mark over major milestone and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: implications of the rookous defense pack between the three nations,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: reported by The Times. So these are essentially AI power
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: drones and they run in like clusters and like this
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: is like a picture of what they what they look like.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Sure, it's a bad it's a bad week for AI
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: for folks in AI.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: They got that one whistle blower he just got they
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: found him dead today from Open AI, the Open AI
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: whistle blower. And then the the fellow that allegedly murked
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: that United Health CEO. He was a Ivy League Top
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: Honors kind of guy with the computer sciences and a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: master's degree in AI.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: So well, you also have those people that's just that
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: just came out that who's the creators of the Pokemon
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Go app? Have you guys? Do you guys know about this?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't Pokemon Pokemon Go.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: I Go type it in and try and find it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: But yeah, while you're doing that, I got a good
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: example of those drones. You were just talking about their
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: writer as far as what they can do. And I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: don't know if anyone saw this, but over the summer
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: in the city of Atlanta, they used a bunch of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: those drones that writer was just showing and they put
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: Steve Harvey's face over the city of Atlanta with some
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: of those drones.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they did this at the Super Bowl one year
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: That was floating over the city of Atlanta. Could you imagine.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, like, you can do a lot of stuff
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: with that kind of technology. So they want to convince
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: folks with some wild stuff. I think it's certainly possible
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: when you can put I mean, that's a pretty clear
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: image of Steve Harvey's face that was floating over Atlanta.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Well, there's also an article that I showed on my
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: show today with Ryan Gable that the advertising agencies are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: wanting to use drone technology for advertising their company in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the sky. And that's what that looks like of Steve.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: That would be a great advertisement in the sky. It's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: not just on billboards and on commercials, as in the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: freaking sky now.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like Back to the Future really got the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: billboards in the sky?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the Nitanic Nitonic or house. The Pokemon
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Go app is player data is training and AI map models.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: So the players of Pokemon Go may not have realized that,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: but they've been training more than their Pokemon. Nitanic, the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: developer behind the popular mobile game Pokemon Go, announced last
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: week that it's building an AI model to map the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: physical world. This large geospatial model would utilize data collective
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: from players to achieve spatial intelligence, and the company said
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: in a ball Pokemon Go was first released in twenty sixteen,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: and it's an augmented reality game where players use their
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: mobile phones to find and catch virtual Pokemon in the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: real world. The game will had more more than six
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: hundred million downloads since release places blah blah blah blah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: But essentially it's they use this app as like a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: back door to map the entire world. Yeah, Nitanic's model
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: is training and processing data using geolocation information from scans
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: players submit of the real world locations while playing Pokemon
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Go and other Nitanic games. Always an agenda, always an agenda, vine,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: and nothing's for free.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Right right.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just reading something about Nianti their day.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: It's interesting to bring that up. I hadn't heard that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: Pokemon one, but that is very interesting. I'm not jocked.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Nordica was doing stuff like that too. Who random Nordica
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: always wondered about that app too.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Oh what's what's that one do?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like, since you around and like you're
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: supposed to like fuck, what was it sending you to?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Like I think it would send you to random places
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: that like you'd ask to try to look for you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: type something in it would send you there, like something
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: would be there like it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I sort of remember that.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at them and we.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Cover them on the Occult Rejects because we thought it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: was weird. But this was like probably three years ago.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a really long time ago. Yeah it was.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: It was pretty popular. And then you also have like
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: the geocaching thing too, like coordinates where.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I think it was doing with geoe cashing.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, geo cashing. Sure, that's pretty popular. Looks like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: some other folks know about this app.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Think it became popular on Roda if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: That there's a couple like YouTube accounts that blew up
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: because I think they found like.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: A body, so.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Found a body.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: That was another thing too. I felt like around that
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: time is where you got the whole body it was
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: true crime ship with social media.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, everyone's just finding dead bodies around that time. Now,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: you're right, because that was around the same time. But
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: that that's the case you always tell me about. You
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: always mentioned to me that Il Rodney and every Rodney
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: or Kylie Brodney, yeah whatever his name is.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those things. Yeah, No, that's a good
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: point for sure.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: It wasn't there like a crime or a true crime case.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: It was also like supposedly gained evidence from using Google
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: Earth or something like that.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Gary Patito.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: It might have been in the one hundred percent.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I think she was the one that her boyfriend threw
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: off a cliff or something like that.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: Maybe could be I could be mistaken cause of death,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: but yeah, she disappeared with her boyfriend or something like that.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like the Internet. I can find so much,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: so many different things dude as want, but we can't
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: know what these freaking drones are or where they're from.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: When they've been in our airspace for a really long time.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: But you know, we can find out murders, unsolved murders
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: on the internet.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Do you think that makes you makes you wonder more
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: if it's actually our own governments because not giving us
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: an excuse what it is because it's a ship. Sure,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Like I just don't want to give you a reason
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: why because it's always.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're running some sort of operations, just like
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: the Chinese spy balloons. Like you know, there was no
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: repercussions on China for having those spy balloons just rolling
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: around the United States for weeks on end before they
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: were shot down. And also it's like and it could
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: work the opposite way too, it could be our technology
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: and then something happens, because I'm pretty sure that people
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: are gonna start shooting them now, they're like random people
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: are gonna bring out their guns and they're gonna start
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: shooting these drones, and mark my words, just want to happen.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Possibly take a few out if you had fire, you know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: decent fucking fireworks.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Trump posted on true Social tonight.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: If the government is not going to identify them, get
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: out your guns, start shooting.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: No way, he really said that he did absolutely. Oh
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: my god, I'll pull up the exact statement.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: I was cracking up as soon as you said that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: they're gonna start That's exactly what people were gonna do,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: especially if you tell them to do They're like, yeah,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna start shooting stuff.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Oh man, that's what they did with the Chinese. I'm
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: pretty sure that there was some people in like Wyoming
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: or Nebraska or something like that was that was also
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: shooting at the Chinese Spi balloon because the government would
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: take it down. So, I mean, that's just that's a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: reoccurring thing. So why would people not start Yeah, would
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: they not just start shooting bullets in the era these drones? Yeah,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: for sure, that's the experiment. That's what they would be doing. Right, Like,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: what how can we what what will people do if
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: we don't give them the proper type of information, Like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: are they there? Are they going to go rogue on us?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: Or are they going to stay calm about it and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: let us handle the situation.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question because I think I want
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: to kind of touch on that exact point when we
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: pull up this is their post or true social posts
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: that get put on twist or or Donald Trump mystery
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: drone sightings all over the country.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: Can this really be happening without our government's knowledge? Obviously not.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I there's a lot of misspellings here. I don't, but
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I think it says I don't. I don't think.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: So let the public know and now otherwise shut them down,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: shoot them down. I believe he's what he meant DJT.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think they're absoutely gonna start.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Wow, They're gonna start shooting at these drones. I bet you.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: As soon as we're done with this conversation. Uh THEI
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: our social media algorithms will pick up this conversation on
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: my phone. As soon as we're done with this, I'll
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: see a video on on Facebook of people shooting at drones.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: I expect nothing less, especially to focus like Montana, North
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Dakota popping stuff off.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Oh god.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of the secrecy, though, is surrounded
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: in the in this subject matter, because the intersects would
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: get out with just the occult, but also with with
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: the ocult and politics. And I often use the example
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: of John Podesta as this example, because he's so prominent
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: in the alien conversation, putting it perpetrating all these a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: lot of these ideas on Ancient on Ancient Aliens television
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: show on the History Channel. But he's also seemingly an
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: occultists with things like the Wiki League's emails. He's being
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: asked for things such as a thlemic favor from the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: Yale librarian, you know, university librarians, so seemingly they have
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: an understanding of what that term the limic means. That
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: polemic favor happened to be a private meeting with Barack Obama,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: which the guy was asking for because Podesta was Obama's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: top top top guy, top counselor or you know whatever
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: you want to call him.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Overlord, dark seth, overlord is I like to like to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: phrase it, But yeah, I mean he's just.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Brought up Obama, bro, And I told you I did
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: not want to go in the Obama Well we will.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: We will go down that path. We will go down
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: that path.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: But with John Podessa, you know, he's he's one of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: the forefront of like things like the season premieres of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Ancient Aliens, right like, you know, I think it's something
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: like something along those lines of characters like that that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: seemingly put the put the stop, you know, and any
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: of this information or any of this discussion or any honest,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: objective discussion on the matter.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's where the cargo culture really come in.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: That one of the cargo calts out of during the
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Vietnam War was this called of John From where these
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Vietnam soldiers went to this remote island in the Congo
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: and would bring in these in these supplies to people
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: and you know, goods and stuff, and like they had
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: never seen anything like that in their civilization. They'd never
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: seen an airplane. They'd never seen a helicopter. So essentially,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: these people thought that these American soldiers that was bringing
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: them the food and supplies and stuff and landing in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: their magical flying machines were gods. So they created this
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: called the called of John From and they John From
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: for because the military personnel that showed up his name
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: was John.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: And then they started modeling their entire civilization like around
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: these soldiers, which they didn't know that they were American soldiers,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: And they started making these helicopters and these planes and stuff.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Oh I think I heard about that. They started making
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: like some of the stuff they showed up in out
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: of like hey, and.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: They just make they make up entire religions or like
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: the entire concepts of society around it, not just the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: religious aspect, but the entire society is built around that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: that premise.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: That's right. And there's still people that are that are
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: waiting for John From to uh return back to the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: to the Congo to bring them supplies they have like
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: a statue that they made or like John From and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: all this wild.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: So yeah, this is a good comment here about Podesta
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: with the a brama of experienced cooking stuff.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's just such a prolific character. And to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: see him at the forefront of pushing a lot of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: these ideas on mainstream television, it shows like ancient aliens.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: And then it's my understanding he's actually the one who
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: was kind of at the forefront of redefining these the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: term UFO and the UAP that was kind of that
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: was kind of the work of Podessa from my understanding.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: And Hillary Clinton.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Ye, Hillary Clinton, I thought it was.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: He was serving as her as her campaign chairman, and uh,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: top counts. He's all he So whenever Vince Foster died,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: old Johnny Boy, he decided to position himself within deeper
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: within the Clinton machine to the legal counsel of the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: White House. He's the one who champ He's the one
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: who developed the Vince Foster cover up. Him and Susan Rice.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: Susan Rice, Susan Rice. They both started a war room
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: to cover that up. So he's he's been the Clintons,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: he's been, He's had his hand up bills, but you know,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: making his mouth a puppet style since around nineteen ninety four.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: So he's very deep in that whole machine for sure.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: And I think, in my opinion, from especially from the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: years I spent there, those fellows run DC. I think
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: the Washington Post ran some of that effect too, where
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: John and Tony Podessa were the most powerful brothers.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Since Kennedy in DC.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: So this dude seems to be very very much in
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: in this in the seat of control with a lot
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: of these these current concepts of aliens and UFOs and
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: this discussion surrounding any sort of declassifications.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: I always get a bramo Vic confused with a Bramovic.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: You got Marina Abramovich from Nazi Germany that was like
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: a channeler, and then you have what is her first
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: name of Brahma Vic Maria barrama Vic. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: they're like the they It's like what we were talking
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: about with Dave Grush and Dave. It's like the same thing.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: She was a Nazis mystic.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nick, you do you know about her? Marina Abramovic,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: the the Spirit Cooking one, I know, not the Spirit
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: cooking one, but one. Yeah, she's uh. She was supposedly
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: a channeler that with channel these entities kind of supposedly
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: the same entities that who are some of the first
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: the channel the Anochian angels John D. Supposedly she was
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: channeling some of these same entities that John D was
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: supposedly channeling as well, and then they like gave her
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: like the schematics to Creative spaceship and then she like disappeared.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: Supposedly this was like during World War two, well before
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: World War two in Germany.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: M you have to read more to that one. That
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: sounds interesting.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the comment about them pizza, Nick and I were
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: recently discussing this relative to that situation, because it seems
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: like that whole situation relative again to the Podestas, because
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: this was a big John Antoni Podesta hang out.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: They had birthday parties here and stuff like that.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 6: Just the sign seems to scream to me that the uh,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: there's an occult nature to it, right with the symbols
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: on the sign, like you know, obviously it's a star
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: in the moon and it's called comment, but I mean,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: the whole mix of it just seems very occult to me.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: Wasn't there some kind of common thing in Toy Story
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: as well?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'm not sure of the first thing that comes
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: to mind when I think of common is the uh
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: is the purple purple rube and black nikes of the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: Heaven's Gate and the Haylees gun.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I think there may be it was there's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: some kind of something like that in Toy Story as well,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: But I could be mistaken. I haven't watched Toy Story
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: in a really long time, but it might be just
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: on the front of my mind because of the Toy
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Story connection to the Shining and Stanley Kubrick.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a common here comment pizza in Toy Story.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go there. I'm not sure where
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: I've seen it, but yeah, it's interesting. I'll check that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: out too.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I uh, well, Nick Nick stepped away for a second,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: I will say Nick and I recently. Nick was on
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: a tour of DC before I. I recently moved away
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: from DC a number of months ago, but I had
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: been living there and I took I was stationed there
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: for like six six and a half years my military career,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: so I, you know very much, have called d C
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: home for a number of years. So I took took
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: Nick on a tour when he came down through d
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: C filming some some of the more you know, the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: older and the cult sites around town, like the Scottish Rite,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: you know temple there, the thirty three Degree Temple, places
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: But we saw by comic Pizza and Nick. Nick made
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: a new friend out front. He was here filling the story.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's uh.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: I've always thought the whole relationship with this situation being
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: being like almost like in a cult, ritual meeting place
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: for some of these folks, like the Podestas.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Again, I like to.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: Attribute a lot of nefarious activities to the Podesta bros.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: I think again they're very prolific. They're involved with everything,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: it seems because speaking of these aliens and in the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: occult right, you have Peter Levenda, who seems to be
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: an intersection of that activity. Yeah, David Brock seems to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: be creepy to Elaphontas's buddy, But yeah, you know, uh,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: Podesta and Alafanta's they go on. Podesta and Alphantas, Podesta
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: and Levenda, they go way back back to the to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: the late late seventies, early eighties, so they have a
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: long history with one another. So I just find it
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: very odd that they have that long history. They're both
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: seemingly involved in the aliens and the occult, and they're
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: here here, they are in our current era, pushing it
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: with Tom DeLong, the Freemason from Blank twenty two working
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: with him and to the Stars Academy, pushing out all
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: these ideas, meeting with John Podesta at the White House, right,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: Peter Lavenda and Tom DeLong. It just all seems this
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: is the kind of the epicenter of activity. Why asking
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: the question not getting the answers, as as a society
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: generally speaking, is not getting answers on what the hell's
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: going on with all these weird things going on in
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: the sky.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Well, really, what I've discovered is that you can literally
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: boil everything down to the aliens are an excuse for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: crimes against humanity and the things that we're doing to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: our own people. Literally everything that has been blamed on
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: extraterrestrial involvement, we've been doing to ourselves. And it's and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: it's a perfect cover up because then that means that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: they well, you know, these people in high up places
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: don't have to take responsibility for anything that they do
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: because the ufology and the you know, the alien narrative
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: will reign supreme. It'll be well, it's aliens. Aliens did that. Aliens.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: Aliens were the ones that were muscling with your genetics.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Aliens were the ones that were changing your DNA wasn't
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: use We didn't do it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: That's an excellent point. That does it shift the liability.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: That's the major that's the that's the primary function at
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: least of the US government is shifting liability. Everything else
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: comes secondary.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Number one. Were never full.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: Never, and they'll obfuscate it. They'll they'll create stories and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: theories and run psychological operations on people to change the narrative,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: to shift the blame away from them at all costs,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: at any cost.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: As you pointed out, they'll create computer systems and invent
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: software to convince people that aliens are talking to them
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: for another reason, just to see how that guy's going
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: to react.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: It seems like that was part of the part of
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: the issue there.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: Was he was obviously sending out that information of our parties,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: but it's also part of it seemed almost be a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: game where like, I want to see what they could
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: do to that guy by.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, And that was like the whole thing because
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Paul Bennis was also worked for the Air Force. He
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: was a radio technician for the Air Force, so he
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: had like a duty to keep his secrecy, you know,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: and that's how they got him. In the beginning. They
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: were like, listen, Paul, we don't uh the footage that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: you have in the pictures that you have of supposed
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: extraterrestrials and UFOs. It's very interesting. See they they didn't
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: confirm or deny it, just exactly like what they're doing
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: with this drone stuff. They're not saying what it is.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: They're neither confirming or denying the entire thing. And then
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: that pushes Paul Bennowitz to think that all, well, he
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: must be onto something because they're not telling me that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: it's not extraterrestrials. They're not telling me that it's not UFOs,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: so I must be onto something right then in the.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Beginning they convinced them right.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: Exactly without telling him one way or the other. Right,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: because that's how the human brain, human mind. Yeah, it's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: a huge, huge mine. Yeah, but that's how it's done.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: That's the way that that's the way that they they
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: do it. And uh, and it's so subtle that it's
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: very difficult to even recognize when and how it's actually
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: being done. But it's so freaking sophisticated that it takes
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: a really sharp mind and a sharp, you know, intellectual
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: mind to really discover exactly, you know, what's going on.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: And that's the way. And you can apply that narrative
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: in that situation with Paul Benowitz and the NSA and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: the Air Force and what they were doing to him
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: to almost every other topic in every other discussion and
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: relate that exact same thing, and you pretty much understand
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: everything at that point.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: I think that's a fair fair assessment. In summary, I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: think you've particulated that well, Ruder. I appreciate that it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: some good stuff, and I appreciate your time or will
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: be a wrapping things up here and give you a
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: moment here to plug anything. You got to know you
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: had a new movie out that I recently heard about
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: looking forward to for checking out, but I Nick, Nick,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: you stepped out from and I wanted to give you
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: an opportunity to maybe share with Ryder your story of
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: the friend you met there a count pizza.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Oh god, no, so me.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: J J.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: We're walking around d C. I think we went over
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: there maybe to go walk past it and actually take
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: a look at you. Yeah, And so like we're walking
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: up this side of the road before you make a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: left to start heading towards the place, and like you see,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: like I mean it was like a Harry. I mean
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: it was like some hairy ass big dude like in
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: like I don't know it was either wearing like a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: tutu or some ship.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like we're walking up in the afternoon.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like picking a number from like one to three.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. For some reason, I like entertained this
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: motherfucker some shit like I just want to hear. Like
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm thinking I want to hear with
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: dumb shit this thing that says to me think you
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: know yeah, And I so I said too, and then
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: like it goes to like pull out. It looks like
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: you're pulling out a planet or a fucking like calendar
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: or some ship. Right, I'm like, come on that now
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  Speaker 2: you're like drink. Yeah, he pulls was like all right,
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  Speaker 2: so now picking Jay J's like, yo, I ain't got
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  Speaker 2: time for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm out of here, Like you gotta get out of
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  Speaker 3: down the block.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets on it. It's like a little motorized
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know what the fuck was that.
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  Speaker 3: It was like one of those little scooters, those little
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  Speaker 3: scooters you only like.
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  Speaker 2: One wheel on the front and back. Yeah, it just
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  Speaker 2: like takes off like all upset.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what's this?
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  Speaker 3: Just happy. I stepped down the side and watch him
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  Speaker 3: go by on the sidewalk and he was he looked pissed.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, when does this happen? Right at the
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  Speaker 2: corner of comic Ping Pong right, some characters out there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well rider, I appreciate your time. But it's
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  Speaker 6: a great conversation. Definitely love to you know, that's reconvene
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  Speaker 6: at some point in the future. Talks some more aliensy
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  Speaker 6: ops and cargo, cold business. I'm sure we've want to
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  Speaker 6: scratched the servers. You've definitely left me with a number
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  Speaker 6: of topics to check out. But what before we go
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  Speaker 6: your I know you got a new new movie just released,
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  Speaker 6: anything else you're working on you want to plug?
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  Speaker 4: Just my show Raised by Johns on YouTube and in
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  Speaker 4: all podcast platforms. And if you would like to watch
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  Speaker 4: my latest documentary, it's on Amazon Prime and Apple TV
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  Speaker 4: Plus called a Clockwork Shining, A Cubric's Odyssey three has me,
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  Speaker 4: Jay Widner, Mark Devlin, Kathy O'Brien, Joe Atwell, and Walter
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  Speaker 4: Bosley in the film. Ye please, uh, if you would
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  Speaker 4: like to, If you even if you don't, if you're
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  Speaker 4: not interested in Cube Break or his work, or if
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: you don't like the Shining or what, it won't matter.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many other topics that we dive into in there.
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  Speaker 4: It's not only about the Shining and Stanley Cubreic is
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: about the the music industry, it's about the film industry,
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  Speaker 4: it's about you know, clandestine intelligence operations. So I think
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  Speaker 4: that you guys will really enjoy it. I think I
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  Speaker 4: wanna be on Nick Show here soon talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I look for it just I just heard about it recently.
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  Speaker 3: I look forward to checking out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing I will say. I have actually
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: learned a few facts or things that I never knew
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: before about other things, just from like seeing some of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: your stuff, you know what I'm saying. That had nothing
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: to do totally really with the topic. It was just
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: like all the random things that you kind of talked about.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: It was like, Oh, I didn't even know that, like
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick and Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 3: I never saying naziistics that, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it was just like you're like, you know, random
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: things that you're like, hmm, So that I would say,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: like just trying to promote his stuff. Besides Kubrick and that,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: there is a lot of other little informational gems in
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: there from what I've seen so far.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Nick, I really appreciate that. Yeah, Kubrick was
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: all over the place all the Beatles symbolism within the shrining.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: He was going to film J R. R. Tolkien's Little
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  Speaker 4: Lord of the Rings and the Beatles were going to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: be the Hobbits in the movie. Crazy thing, crazy stuff. Yeah,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: and then Stephen King got the idea of the title
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: of the shining from a John Lennon song, instant karma, Like,
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  Speaker 4: there's so much that.
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  Speaker 3: Helps you real quick on the top of it. I'll
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  Speaker 3: go ahead, Nick, what were you saying?
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  Speaker 2: I said, Sometimes I think when you see that it
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  Speaker 2: helps also give people like an idea of a mindset
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: to that. He might have been in it as well,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Sure, an idea of like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: his way of thinking seeing stuff like that.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: He's pretty deep, that's for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So did you come in just one question for you there?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: Ride around your Kubrick stuff. I'm definitely gonna sack got
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: your movie. It sounds even more intriguing now with the
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: Beatles connections, because what I was thinking there was did
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: you come across anything with Kubrick and scientology.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Relative to the Night Discussion?
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  Speaker 6: Mmm? Wow, was a big intellogists and he obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 6: at least employed crews there at least, you know, at
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: least one scientellogist.
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  Speaker 3: I would argue a couple more.
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  Speaker 4: But it is possible, and is also possible that Kubrick
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  Speaker 4: had heavy Masonic free Mason ties as well through all
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: the symbolism in his movies. I mean, the poster for
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: a freaking clockwork orange is Alex and the center of
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: the pyramid, the top of the pyramid is all Seeing Eye,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: which is Alex's watch. Like there's a seven point of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: stars in Eyes White Shot, which we know seven point
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: of stars is you know, the schedule for Lucifer and
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: then Lucifer being the morning star and also related to Venus. Like,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: there's so many different free Masonic symbolism that Kubrick was
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: showing in all of his movies, especially in Eyes White Shot,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: and just the symbolism that he puts in there makes
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: you question if he how much he knew about this
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: and how much was he involved in all this stuff?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, please check out the movie and if
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  Speaker 4: you like it, please leave a rating in a review
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: as well. On the Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime. And
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: if you don't like Amazon Prime, then you can get
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: Apple TV Plus and watch it on there as well.
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  Speaker 3: Nice And that is that on your link tree, but
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: if not on my link.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: Tree, I haven't updated the link tree yet. But if
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: you just typed in a Clockwork Shining or a Kubrick's
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: Odyssey three into Amazon Prime Video or a TV or
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: just into Google itself, it'll be the first thing that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: pops up and you can click on it and you know,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: help help supporting me and watching my movie. It really
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: helps me, you know, do more things in the future.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: So thanks for having me on, gentlemen, really appreciate it.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: There's a lovely conversation. Thanks for being here, Nick. I'll
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: be seeing you soon on your show, definitely talking about
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: the movie actually.
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  Speaker 6: And I'll put a link to your your document your
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: your new Amazon Prime documentary in this show notes as well.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that all.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: I appreciate time. Writer, awesome conversation, look forward to future. Nick.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Do you have any closing thoughts for us? No?
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  Speaker 1: Just real quick?
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  Speaker 2: Do you call it Rejacks available on old major podcast
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  Speaker 2: hosts and bitch you rumbling YouTube. Nice, Thanks and thank
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  Speaker 2: you for having me on. It's always a pleasure to
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  Speaker 2: hang out with you JJ and it's always good to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: talk to you my man as well, So thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Well, that's it. That's the show here, folks.
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