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Joel Kinnaman's Abs: Obi-Wan Series & MoviePass Password Scandal · Multiple Nerdgasm

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welcome to multiple nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things
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nerdy it's been hot where you live uh I I want to say yeah but not really not
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really cuz you're in a kind of a a temperate climate it's hot here all the
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time yeah like right but last yeah yeah that's I feel like I shouldn't complain because I
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know I'm not getting into a today and you're going to be like whatever no no
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no no no for starters I don't even know what American degrees are so you'd be
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quite all right to say that but did you know that last month was the hottest
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month on Earth ever in the history of knowing how hot it was on
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Earth I didn't know that actually it was warm here July 2019 hottest month on
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record no it's just summer mate it's not global warming did I tell you when when
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I was in the North Pole and I'm going to get [ __ ] Flack for [ __ ] humble
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bragging here but I was in the [ __ ] North Pole so shut up all right yeah I
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know you were when I was in the North Pole earlier this year um I was looking
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at this fiord which is basically like a it's like a lake that comes in off the
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the ocean and it's it was the most Lake yeah it's a fancy Lake exactly and it
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was the most spectacular body of water I've ever seen in my life and I was just
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basically I was one like one degree short of we weeping you know what I mean
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at its beauty you know what I mean like it was beautiful and I was like but your
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tears would have polluted the lake so [ __ ] hold that in all Frozen you know
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what I mean but um yeah freshw Lake but um this the the local that I was with it
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is like I said to him I said this is this is amazing it's just amazing and
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he's like no it's [ __ ] horrible and I was like what are you what are you
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talking about and he's like up until last year that was a glacier
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oh of course and I was like holy [ __ ] man it is all about perspective and yeah
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you can't argue with that can you no we are [ __ ] this planet
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up yeah yeah there a lot of uh I know we talked about that article with uh the
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Instagram influencers going on holiday and asking for freebies uh but there's
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also yeah there was another one I read the other day which apparently this is a
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really big issue uh [ __ ] Instagram people just trampling all over
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everything to get photos being like going apparently Iceland is
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sick of us because you get I bet they are for sure you you can fly from here
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you can fly to Iceland for 100 bucks and then go [ __ ] trample all over the the
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[ __ ] snow fields and ruin the ecos system what limited amount of um floor
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and fora they have there yeah just just get a photo of you lying on top of them
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yeah yeah or for example this [ __ ] Australian couple that was in barley
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last week and um this kind of hot Barby looking blond girl um washed her ass in
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some holy water in a bonese temple what cuz she thought that' be a great photo
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[ __ ] man oh look it's me I'm washing my ass people are [ __ ] weird man just
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yeah they are yeah and there was there was an article I read the other week
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about you the Lavender Fields in France um yeah yeah they go this's this
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particular area of France you mean the ones fertilized by the bodies of the
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people who died in like two world wars didn't know that but uh perhaps mhm mhm
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that's why [ __ ] goes so well there yeah right well I mean this this people's
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livelihood is growing lavender but then now you've got like they' had photos of
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it it's just fields and Fields of [ __ ] instagrammers like trampling
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ripping up like uh bits of lavender and and like destroying the place and so
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they put signs up on the in the field now saying please respect our livelihood
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to like to discourage people from taking photos yeah I love the fact that now you
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have to put a sign up if you want basic respect yeah like please don't trespass on my
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property yeah don't ruin our ecosystem yeah and then there's one in New Zealand
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too that was like there's a famous photo of a it's like a tree on an island and
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uh and then this photographer won a bunch of awards for taking a photo of
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this this is a beautiful landscape but now it's a competition like you got to
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get up in the [ __ ] tree and get a photo of yourself and like course you do
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piss off mate did we ever did we ever learn what happened to that monkey who
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sued that dude for no for claiming that that picture
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was taken by him when actually it was taken by the monkey no don't I feel that
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was something we we wanted to follow up on you know what let's look into it
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during the week and maybe when we come back after the break we can uh we can
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follow up on that oh yeah so Luke's not here obviously he's in oh yeah Luke's
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not here he's [ __ ] stoned out of his mind right now he is living it up in
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Amsterdam and just when I love it cuz we got a bunch of snaps from him and some VAR
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social media content and like he was eating a pot brownie okay that's fine
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you know it's fun it's Amsterdam but did you get that snap just now of him
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literally just [ __ ] smoking a pipe yeah I know just [ __ ] getting high
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and he was like I might just smoke a little bit just cuz I miss smoking like
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you miss smoking a pipe I don't remember you doing that every no I've never once
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seen you smoke a pipe yeah pets Luke hope we're not going to get in TR in
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trouble for talking about it he doesn't listen to the podcast his wife does so
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she might hear it but Luke won't
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yeah so he's not here and uh and we're I don't know we've been encouraged by our
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listeners to take a break and so we might just do that um is that a good
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thing when your listeners encourage you to take a break pleas please stop I
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think you should go on hiatus yeah yeah it'd be better for the world if you guys
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just pissed off for well look there's no Star Wars news in there oh no
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wait yes there is okay sorry guys uh this will just be the same as it always
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is there is Yeah couple of crazy news articles and then we'll talk about Star
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Wars yeah Matt before we even get into that I would just say that on your
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recommendation I've gone and purchased uh all three making of Star Wars books
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for the iPad the enhanced versions yes um I had the first one as a as a book as
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an actual book what do you call the book now you like know how now we have an
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email we call regular male snail mail is there like a derogatory term for an
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actual book now like hard copy so you could be like in um remember
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remember hackers the movie hackers with the the plag when he walks in and hands
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him Mr the plague yeah he hands him the paperwork and he's like GH hard copy
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that's me that's great yeah well I had a hard copy of making of Star Wars but I
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couldn't literally hear George Lucas's voice on it so has already surpassed
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that mind you I do have to look on my iPhone which is not ideal for a
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big coffee table book but you know I'm enjoying it yeah the only thing I I have
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to read them on my my iPad or my iPhone I guess but uh cuz my Kindle is like the
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newer ones have audio like Bluetooth audio and my my kle is like yours yeah
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and it's literally the first time I've ever thought maybe I need a new Kindle
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because I always the same because I have I have the paper white which I think is
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probably the one you have y and it's just good enough which is great which is
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yeah yeah yeah and it's been abely fine for everything yeah yeah I can't imagine
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what they're going to add that oh wait audio okay fine now I need it oh there
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you go yeah they figured it out because I actually I prefer to read on the
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Kindle than I do on the Kindle app on an on an iPad for example just because of
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the way the screen is orientated the lights come from the side rather than
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from the back and I know I'm aware listeners can write in podcast multip
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nasm.com I'm aware that there aren't really any studies that prove that the
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strain is less but everyone just says it like it's fact and it does feel like
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it's true so let's just go with that yeah you know what lights shining right
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at my eyes or me looking at Cross light uh even if there's no scientific study
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to say that's different it's [ __ ] different okay it is I enjoy it
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differently therefore it's different yeah that's enough and that is valid our
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feelings are valid Matt that's right FS don't care about your feelings
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Dan no they do not no I like to think Kindle cares about my feelings I like to
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think they take into consideration that giant corporate entity Amazon yeah they
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care about our feelings hey man I ordered Groceries on Amazon today and uh
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I tried to do that yeah like it's just I I order certain things on there we don't
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have grocery delivery as such yet we have a few grocery delivery
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companies in Singapore or in Southeast Asia that are pretty good but only
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Amazon guarantees same day delivery in fact you can get your groceries within 2
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hours it's pretty good so you can literally be like I feel like a beer and
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an apple pie and within 2 hours you're [ __ ] having that beer and that apple
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pie and you haven't left the house yeah right that's pretty NE those are literal
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examples of what I got with my groceries today is that Whole Foods or do you not
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have Whole Foods there or is just we don't have Whole Food yeah right okay
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yeah yeah yeah well there's there's literally no agriculture here in
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Singapore everything's imported so yeah okay yeah well do we want to get the I mean we
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could do the Star Wars news get out of the way uh not a huge amount of it um I
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think we can stretch out these couple of uh small Star Wars uh topics to last the
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whole episode yep just yeah just for those pay us money to do that that's
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that's right yeah now how much stock gets put into
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both of these I don't know yeah I'm not sure if these are legit but they are
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being reported I mean deadline did first one in quotes so yeah um yep that's
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right so variety confirmed the first one as well all right well then I mean that
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it's almost fact I guess uh you and McGregor I mean returning as Obi-Wan uh
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for a TV series on Disney plus man he must be so happy I mean this is a famous
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actor you know me this is a this is a guy who lives and works in Hollywood but
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I've never seen a man beg for something as much as you and McGregor begged for
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an Oban movie it's just so strange considering how the prequels are seen
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that I know he just doesn't care he's just like no I [ __ ] just love it
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whatever well not only does he not care I mean you wouldn't cuz he's a Star Wars
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fan same as us he's the same age as us he [ __ ] loves Star Wars yeah oh look
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if they came to me and said would would you be in this prequel spin-off I'd be
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like I hate the prequels but [ __ ] yeah I'll do it yeah they they could come
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back to you and say Matt we're going to remake The Phantom Menace shot for shot
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word for word will and and we want you to play Jar Jar Binks and we and you
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have to do it exactly asme best did I'm
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not sure that's but I will do it I will absolutely do it I will do it yeah yeah
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but Yan [ __ ] loves playing Obi-Wan and he was certainly not the worst part
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about those movies arguably he was no the best thing about he might be the
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only one who who's or him and Ian mcdad are definitely having fun look I like to
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think that Natalie port knows what it was as well yeah you know
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yeah like she'd worked with great European directors before that it wasn't
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her first trip to the rodeo sure you know she must have known when she took
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on that role that okay this is a bit [ __ ] yeah just let me look at George
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Lucas's other films and see how good the roles for women were hm okay that's
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right yeah I will canot condone any action that would lead to what yeah okay
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this is not great [ __ ] no no
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but look I think Yan Not only was a Star Wars fan but I also think he was a
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massive fan of Sir Alec Guinness oh yeah and he was honored to take on the role
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of a young anak Guinness he's now almost the age that Alec was when he played
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Obi-Wan so I think he's Keen to bridge that Gap as well for sure you know play
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play Obi-Wan with a little bit of gray in his beard yep yeah but someone was
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saying this could even be like flashbacks could be part of it or who
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knows what they do that's true like yeah could yeah that's true could be pretty
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maybe it'll just be Obi-Wan drinking green milk out of the tits of some big
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[ __ ] fish C some desert be for all we
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know stranger things have happened yeah yeah yeah I do Wonder someone uh someone
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said it could be [ __ ] mad max style on tne where him and Owen L like [ __ ]
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have an Adventures Mad Max Style with the Tusk and Raiders that be right
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absolutely yeah I also saw somebody do a mockup poster that's basically the um a
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fist full of dollars like the the old Samurai movie you know just the kind
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ofone Samurai walks into town like yeah I mean I'd watch that too well here's
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hoping it's good yeah it's good one cynical take on
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this is just that uh this is Disney's attempt to murder Netflix and then we
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just yeah they'll just cancel all of these shows with the big stars as soon
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as that happens maybe I don't know because Disney's plan
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for Disney plus which is their Ott platform is not just to rival Netflix
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but it's to rival cinemas as well like this this is the platform you can
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receive Disney content on from whenever it starts into Infinity yeah yeah this
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is the future of watching things yeah Disney from now on will be Disney plus
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and it'll be synonymous and there'll be no separation they'll lose the Plus at
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one point and it'll just be Disney it'll just be Disney yeah that's right and it will be
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everything you'll be ordering your groceries from there shortly yeah Disney
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Disney related groceries yeah after they absorb Amazon all right well I mean I'll
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I'm very interested in uh in this even if even if [ __ ] I'm interested in it so
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put it this way I'm more interested in this than of a few other Star Wars
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properties that have been thrown around sure well like what say got an example a
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like for example Ryan Johnson's Trilogy that he keeps insisting he's doing yeah
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he's talk he's had another he's brought it up against still insisting yeah of
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course he has yeah well I mean look we don't know whether it's been
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cancelled so we can assume that it hasn't and he's still talking he's
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talking about it we don't know it was officially green L yeah I got nothing
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against Ryan Johnson no think that if you and me and Luke and
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Ryan Johnson hung out one day like we would have a great time he seems like a
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fun gu and and maybe taken apart from all this [ __ ] burden that he was
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given with you know the Last Jedi maybe he'll do a good good job on on some
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separate stuff so he's hoping this will be good yep yep y a lot of pressure
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honestly we don't know I mean look he was the writer and the director and
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obviously that says a lot he's officially the author of the film but as
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we know about the Studio system in Hollywood you've got to take on any idea
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that anyone above you gives you oh absolutely you know what I mean so like
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for all we know Ryan Johnson [ __ ] hates the space iron and just can't say
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anything well look at Alien 3 David Fincher directed Alien 3 yes or did he
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yeah like [ __ ] me that's right what a
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disaster so yeah don't blame a soft spot for I've got I've still got a soft spot
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for Alien 3 and I think I always will yeah me too but
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um it's not it's not a certainly not a David finer film
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no that's got my friend Lance in it and uh and uh it certainly does yeah love l
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i mean they filmed it on the sets built for a completely different movie also
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called Alien 3 yes but but with a totally different script yeah which you
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can listen to on Audible now holy [ __ ] can you the William Gibson one what
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you're talking about oh that's yeah yeah the oh that's great I'm going to check
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that out for sure yeah R and there's a comic book uh series that they made of
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it too yeah that I did know about yeah and it was going to be an Australian
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director the director of the only thing I know him of is he made a movie called
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The Navigator did you ever see that not Flight of the Navigator no it was uh it
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was about a bunch of medieval monks that
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had the plague that went into a hole in the ground and came out in modernday New
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Zealand what have you ever heard of this movie no but it sounds great I sounds
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weird but that's fine neither has Google it just Co okay the Navigator a medieval
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Odyssey Australian New Zealand co-production directed by Vincent Ward
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so that's who it was that was going to do Alien 3 initially and even he [ __ ]
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walked off that project you know what I mean yeah yeah
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oh and he wasn't in a position to be throwing any weight around in Hollywood
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well I told you I mean I I've told you the story Lance henrion told me about
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Alien 3 right where they the studio called him and said can you come in and
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do you want to be in Alien 3 and he said no I'm good and then they said no just
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come in for a day we just want need you to show up and then he said what what
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what am I going to be doing and they're like oh we haven't figured that out yet
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just uh pop on over and have a cup of tea and we'll we'll call you in when we
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figure out what we want you to do and he was like fine and so I asked him what
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the deal was with his character yeah in that movie uh whan and he said I don't
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know so no idea sounds good yeah I I believe that yeah there's nothing about
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that story I don't believe having seen the film yep all right well it's
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speaking of Hollywood H I'm not going to say too much about this but I saw a film
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last night that I just want to mention briefly oh is it what I think it is go
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on I watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood I want to watch that go on
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yeah you do want to watch it mhmh you do want to watch it don't read anything
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about it just go and watch it okay the anything I've read about it is I know
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people are complaining about some Bruce Le stuff that's all I know about it so
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far they definitely are complaining about Bruce Lee stuff and I understand
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why if you saw the movie and you watched all the way to the end you might not
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complain because there's a few things in this movie that are given let's say uh
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unique spin okay but there's a reason
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for that and um I I mean look I I'll see
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anything Tarantino comes out with right and um I don't love everything but I'll
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but I'll see everything it's always worth watching um but I also will watch
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any film that comes out about the family the Manson family sure and uh and you
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know last year there was a movie came out called Charlie says did you see that
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no no I didn't that was interesting and and it was focused on the
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female kind of that the aspect of what what would have to happen to a woman
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before she could be brainwashed in the way that these women were brainwashed by
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Charlie Manson um and and this is the total opposite of that you know like
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this is a very new way of even approaching the subject right of of the
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family um don't go into it
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expecting Pulp Fiction 2 it's not a whole bunch of like really cool set
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pieces with like Snappy dialogue and stuff it's a much subtler um much more
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of a think piece and um things you think are maybe going to be like big parts of
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the movie are actually just little parts and vice versa but definitely worth a
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watch and I'm hoping to go and see it again this week actually yeah for second
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view I really want to see I don't know whether I'm going to get to before we go
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away so yeah well unfortunately I went to Italy to check if there was a decent
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way of watching in Italy and it doesn't seem like there is so um you do have to
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hang out for the for the cinema if you want a proper experience I suggest you
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do all right yeah I will I uh I watched this week uh
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inspired by Luke and yourself I went back to something that I had sort gu
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sort of forgotten about uh I started to watch it uh and then got distracted I
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went back to the expanse oh yeah and I've watched uh the
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first season now just the first season okay yep y I've only watched the first
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season to so [ __ ] great man it's [ __ ] [ __ ] fantastic isn't it yeah it's
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really good I'm glad I'm glad I I I will say and look Thomas Jane gives a solid
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performance in everything he's ever done yeah I like Thomas Jane but this is his
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best role yeah oh yeah he's great there's something about the way he plays
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this character that just I mean when you're when you're
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making a fantasy movie a science fiction movie like the the Temptation is there
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that to just go really over the top but actually the way that you the way that
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you work build a really great science fiction universe is to go the opposite
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way and just play it for absolute truth and I think that's why the expanse is so
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successful for me is that this is just [ __ ] people like living their lives
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doing their [ __ ] you know there's politics there's Wars yeah and it just so happens that
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some of them are from Mars and some of them from Earth and some of them are
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from somewhere else yeah like Thomas Jane lives on a space station and has his whole life
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so like and yeah he just that's just his
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character and Y it's not over the top or anything it's just he's just a guy that
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grew up that way and there's um he uh he
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the hat that he wears I read a thing about the other day he uh they had a
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costume all picked out for him and he had it on and he was like nah I got a
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hat it's better and then they'll like oh we picked the hat and he was like no no
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no this one's not right and then he he came in with the you the little tril
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that he wears and they like yeah no he's right that's better all right yeah man
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that tril is literally his character summed up in one one article it suits
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fits perfectly uh yeah and and other characters constantly refer to it as
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being ridiculous which it is that's right yeah yeah it's
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great now good show really enjoy it look I must say there's there's been at least
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once where I've looked at his haircut and going could I pull that off yep
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I definitely couldn't because I don't have I definitely couldn't either yeah
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so yeah and you know and neither of us look like Thomas Jane let's be honest
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but uh but he's rad it's a great show and he's doing a great job of it yeah
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everybody's uh really good in it yeah yeah yeah and I uh and I have a feeling
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it's going to just keep layering and layering those because there's a lot
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going stories on yeah and uh and some of the some of the threads have woven
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together but some of them have not yet and I'm interested to see that's right
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how yeah well I assume they will be weird if they didn't cuz what the [ __ ]
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was that for yeah well that's right as far as I know as far as I know they're
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still going they haven't been canceled yet which is odd for a show that we love
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um especially science fiction right so you know cut those off real quick as far
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as I know even if they haven't wrapped up some of the story lines that they
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still plan to yep yeah well there's just a couple of sequences where I'm not I
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don't know what I don't know why I I didn't I enjoyed watching a thing happen I just don't
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know what the relevance of it was yet yeah there's a couple of things like
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that I know exactly what you mean yeah yeah I don't know why I saw that yet but
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I'm sure I will yeah and then when you look back on it I'm sure you'll it'll
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enrich itself in your memory even more exactly it'll make sense yeah great and
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beautiful just so beautifully short oh I know yeah like yeah like I I would say
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even I I I think my Pinnacle for television episodic science fiction has
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always been Battlestar Galactica because
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I feel they took Sci-Fi TV and just just
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one uped it just leveled it up in a way that was unexpected and and and
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Brilliant yeah and I feel this this Builds on that because it's reminiscent
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of battl star in many many ways but also just adds a layer of artistry to the
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photography and the set designs and everything that I just feel is just so
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so valuable you know yeah it's very convincing like yeah yeah like like it's
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you know like sometimes you watch a TV show and it looks like a TV show this
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does not look like yeah looks like TV yeah this just looks like like like a
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movie it just looks like they filming on a spaceship like yeah and not just a
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movie like there even in the pilot episode in the first episode there's
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there's some specific scenes where I'm just like [ __ ] hell man I've never
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seen a movie looked this good yeah totally you know I read uh I finished
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that [ __ ] zero gravity sex scene yes I know like and all all the Zer G stuff
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like it's it's solid yeah yeah I finished that sorry to bring it back to
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Star Wars again sorry Craig um oh please do Craig just calm it down mate calm it
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down I finished that book the one I was the the Star Wars book and uh the secret
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history no no no this was how Star Wars conquered the universe oh that's right
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yeah um and there was a section about how uh well first of all it kind of
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changed my opinion of George Lucas a bit in the late years sounds like he turned
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into a bit of a knob um oh okay well
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lost perspective sounds like a lot of projects that got canned uh one example
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was remember that 1313 game yes the the bounty hunting
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game Apparently one of the issues that they had that caused it to be canceled
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was that uh George Lucas wandered in one day like deep deep into production
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looked at it and said this game is now about Boba Fett and then like well you
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can't this too late and then he was like No And then yeah so that happened
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apparently yeah of course that that certainly does align
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with what we do know yes he he he likes to fiddle with things apparently
26:44
certainly does any respect and he likes to bring everything back to the core
26:48
elements yeah the Clone Wars uh series was not supposed to have any main
26:53
characters in it the whole plan was to do a new thing and then he said and then
26:56
and then he they pitched him and what about Obi-Wan no it needs to be about
27:01
Obi-Wan and Anakin and then they were like all right fine that's happening
27:05
then but so then the budget for that went through the roof and then the other
27:09
one I was going to mention was there was uh there were plans they talked about it
27:12
for years I'm sure you recall about Star Wars TV shows and oh yeah yeah uh you
27:17
reminded me just them because one of the things that they were they were spending
27:19
a lot of time doing was researching how Battlestar Galactica did what they did
27:24
on their budget because whenever they tried to come up with like George would
27:29
come up with [ __ ] ideas and then the budget would just go it' be like $20
27:33
million an episode and they were like we can't do it that's right yeah couldn't
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do it yeah even if literally everyone in the world watches it we still wouldn't
27:39
make any money exactly and so but they just couldn't make it happen because he
27:43
wouldn't yeah yeah there was there was just no middle ground ever wouldn't turn
27:47
it down never happened that's right that's so interesting you know I read a
27:51
really interesting Theory the other day um spoilers if anyone hasn't watched a
27:57
bunch of Star Wars movies but I mean that doesn't really count here so sure
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but um I read that it is no
28:05
accident that original trilogy characters are being killed off from the
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current Disney Star Wars movies because anytime that Disney make
28:16
a film with Han Luke or Leia in it they have to pay George
28:23
Lucas sure I mean it's a cynical point of view
28:28
but it it makes sense like if you can get people to love Ray and Finn and po
28:34
just as much as they loved Luke and Han and Leia then well why are we paying
28:38
this old man a whole shitload of money because I think what people don't
28:42
understand too is that Disney didn't buy Star Wars lockstock and Barrel they
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bought the licensing rights to Star Wars they bought the rights to make more
28:50
movies they bought the rights to distribute the original films in certain
28:54
forms but not others like George Lucas still retains a lot of control sure
28:59
especially over his own characters
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yeah well it's just business was obviously an accident but yeah was it
29:09
was it Dan oh oh Jesus you know what we should kill off
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Carrie Fisher because uh I don't you mean to say princess ler no no I I yeah
29:20
I think I made myself perfectly
29:24
clear yeah yeah well from the sounds of it they tried to kill off Harrison Ford
29:31
in uh Force awakens I mean he was certainly injured well he he's try
29:35
character off since the beginning I know well they seem to be trying to kill off
29:38
Daniel Craig too and I don't mean James Bond I mean they seem to be trying to
29:42
kill Daniel Craig on bond 25 as well oh is he is he injured again yeah he's
29:47
injured again [ __ ] he's off they've shut down production cuz he's injured oh God
29:53
no trailer teaser trailer did you see that no it's not it's not a trailer for
29:59
the film it's like a behind the scenes little sneak peek just basically because
30:04
the studio were paranoid that like [ __ ] this might never get made and people
30:07
might forget who James Bond is by the time this comes out yeah right yeah
30:12
[ __ ] H I watched I watched something this week I know you've seen uh I
30:19
watched the sin season 2 because it came out on I know you watched and loved the sin
30:24
season one so I'm very interested to hear what you thought of this because it
30:28
is quite different yeah it is actually uh and uh I really enjoyed it I enjoyed
30:34
the first season more I'm so glad you did I really I enjoyed it and I I picked
30:39
I I kind of picked what was what was going on early in this uh maybe because
30:46
I'm just cynical and I was like oh it's going to this is what's going to happen
30:49
um yeah yeah yeah but but I did really enjoy yeah and I also don't think it was
30:54
as big a stretch as the plot in the Sin season 1 right where that really did
30:59
blow my [ __ ] mind you know yeah because you couldn't have really guessed
31:03
no that's right you had no idea and in fact the The Genius of The Sinner was
31:09
that it gave you all the information you needed so you never felt it was a
31:15
mystery sure except that you knew [ __ ] nothing right and that that's
31:20
why it was so good because you never knew you were behind the Apple but you always were
31:26
yeah yeah not so much but I still liked it a lot no I liked it I that kid was a
31:31
the kid's good actor uh so that was that was good uh I'm always surprised when
31:36
kids are good in in shows I guess it shouldn't be these days but there was a
31:39
period whenever a kid was in something it was like oh God I agree completely
31:43
agree you just wouldn't watch something if there was a kid in it yeah cuz it's
31:46
just not going to be convincing yeah it seemed like in the 80s it really peaked
31:50
things like the never- Ending Story that had fantastic kid actor performances
31:54
yeah and then and then just awful and then The Phantom Menace came along
32:00
yeah that's right oh my god um yeah yeah and then all the other all the other
32:05
performances were great it's got what's his name from [ __ ] man of the High
32:08
castles in it I think you told me that at the time but I didn't remember and
32:13
then when he showed up I was like oh you see a photo of him first and I was like
32:16
oh my God it's that gu yeah that's right and the mother is from the third season
32:22
of no sorry this yeah the third season of of Fargo which you haven't you
32:26
haven't got that far you should on were they doing here's something I finished I
32:32
asked Jenna what she thought we weren't sure right they did a great job of
32:37
making her look differently aged in the flashbacks yeah like was that dig or is
32:43
she completely subtle way right like is it just just a haircut or that was very
32:48
convincing it's literally just the way that they did her hair and makeup and
32:51
and her clothes as well and and and I was trying to figure out is she does she
32:55
actually in real life look like the young version or the older version cuz
33:00
that was very convincing or halfway in between maybe yeah yeah that was that
33:05
was really well done yeah I agree so yeah C season 2 really good
33:12
bill Pullman's just [ __ ] great I love how magnificent his performance in it
33:17
it's just so like it's just so real like the it's not like a TV show like when
33:23
he's there's that he's at the party and he's having those awkward conversations
33:27
with people cuz he's just I'm like it just fing stri a man that
33:32
you swear that Bill Pullman doesn't like being in this show yeah you know like he
33:38
he just seems so out doesn't seem to want to be anywhere yeah it's so
33:43
convincing yeah he's just talking to all those guys at the party and they're all
33:46
like yeah how's it going mate oh and then he's just like yeah I I know the SC
33:51
you mean but also anytime he speaks because season 2 he's kind of back in
33:55
his hometown right so it's anytime he's speaking to anyone it's like yeah this
34:00
is the reason I left the first time around I don't really fit in here yeah
34:05
like but just like in a really visceral way like he's just so uncomfortable but
34:11
yeah yeah [ __ ] great hope they do more just CU I yeah and I thought it was interesting
34:17
because obviously the C season 1 he played the detective yes that was just
34:23
kind of a supporting character to the main narrative and then
35:28
red herring waiting to make you think that maybe they're the killer right
35:32
right yeah you know yeah everybody's got a TV show they can explore that
35:38
that's right more yeah and in a show like The Killing um which I've actually
35:43
kind of forgotten about I there's probably seasons of that I still haven't seen
35:47
um I think I've only seen three so there's probably there probably still
35:51
one out there I'm going to look into that but uh you know that's I mean
35:54
that's the same for me it's just like just interesting people going about
36:00
interesting lives and also there's been a murder yeah you can we we I'm sure we
36:06
may have talked about this but what's his [ __ ] what's his name the guy from
36:08
that uh who was yeah the the um he wanted to be
36:12
RoboCop um Rober and uh uh Joel kinman yeah Joel kinman man he's [ __ ] tops
36:19
for starters like what a great actor yeah uh but but second like what a
36:24
transformation from like that character like physical
36:30
transformation for starters cuz he's [ __ ] jacked these days like was he
36:33
jacked at the time he was a [ __ ] junky no man he look like a [ __ ] drug
36:37
addict or was that just a good physical performance like like but yeah man I
36:42
would not have picked that guy going on to become a [ __ ] you know like studly
36:47
[ __ ] you know sex and even in things like the the academy award-winning um
36:51
suici Suicide Squad yes yeah yeah but also let's not forget he's English as a
36:57
second language oh yeah he Swedish he's [ __ ] Danish Swedish or something like
37:00
that yeah but like like all those accents are fake CU he speaks Danish
37:07
yeah fantastic the way he speaks in the killing is completely different from you
37:12
know he was in was aled carbon he's [ __ ] jacked in that yeah oh yeah man
37:17
yeah yeah oh you know what I finally caught up on uh which I hadn't seen when
37:20
we discussed it on this podcast ep's a bit gay I just
37:25
noticed we're just talking about men we like yeah suppose it is yeah there
37:30
[ __ ] nothing gay about thinking that Joel kenan's awesome I mean there's more
37:34
RoboCop news coming up if we want to talk about how gay we are for Neil Blom
37:38
Camp as well well he's he's this is sad
37:41
news in that case I know I know he's uh he's he's dropped out he's not he's not
37:47
doing it yeah yeah know they they he's got he's got another commitment he's
37:51
doing a I think a horror film and the the studi said well now we're filming
37:55
robic cop now and so yeah he's had to drop out which is so weird like I know
38:02
so who's we don't know who's going to do it but no we we don't know
38:08
forit no it definitely doesn't and I think that might have just been a way to
38:11
get get him off the project I I don't know why the studio would want him off
38:14
the project but it's you know if you want someone on your on your film you
38:17
make it work you know yeah and films don't take that long to do so if he was
38:21
doing a little indie horror movie right you've definitely got time just make him
38:25
do a bit of extra homework doing a bit of pre-production and then yeah well
38:29
unless I guess we don't know what the the business side of it is maybe they
38:32
need to get this movie out to make their [ __ ] you know to keep their license
38:37
or something like that yeah or to you know they've got targets if the meet for
38:40
[ __ ] some period or some garage I don't know if RoboCop's let necessarily
38:46
like a [ __ ] guaranteed gold M I know but we like to think I I feel like and
38:50
again this is the cynical part of me coming up but we' like to think of films
38:54
as kind of art almost but most of the time not it's like these Star Wars films
39:00
like the people in charge don't give a [ __ ] about what we think about Star Wars
39:05
from our childhood they're just looking at the bottom line no no yeah and look
39:09
and and when the bottom line is dependent on it being a good film yeah
39:15
then they then they do come on board like I I really do honestly believe that
39:19
the people behind Marvel Studios know that the reason they make more money is
39:23
because their films are better films yes so they try to make better films but at
39:28
the end of the day it's not cuz they're a bunch of artists it's cuz they know
39:31
that makes more money and and just to be clear I'm not talking about Neil Blom
39:34
Camp I'm I believe that Neil Blum Camp does care about RoboCop in the way that
39:38
we do I'm talking about the people that just fired him because he didn't have
39:42
the time for it right now those people don't always admire about yeah for sure
39:48
exactly and and like also you and I in
39:52
particular and other people our age we watch
39:58
RoboCop as a [ __ ] Masterpiece of 80s
40:02
science fiction film making yeah there's like this we could we could do a whole
40:07
entire podcast just on you know a thesis on RoboCop totally but for most people
40:13
that you ask they'd probably be like do you mean that [ __ ] shitty action
40:17
movie from the 80s about a Robocop yeah yeah exactly so you know like I
40:23
think I think we're putting a bit more emphasis on it than like when they when they green
40:28
it wasn't because some [ __ ] executive producer you know at Fox or wherever was
40:33
like I just really love RoboCop it was because they were looking at a this of
40:36
what do we own that we can can spit out to make money what yeah what's not going
40:40
to cost us a lot and that might make a lot of return yeah what are what are
40:44
people nostalgic about that we can [ __ ] out a sequel to yeah that's right yeah
40:49
the people that used to get paid by their parents to go to the movies are
40:55
now buying their own tickets what do they want to right the thing about Blom Camp though
41:00
that I really admire is that he obviously he was the maker of
41:04
commercials and short films he made a great short film called alive in jber
41:09
that we all watched before it was anything more than just a short film
41:13
that he then turned into District 9 which was [ __ ] amazing MH um chappie
41:17
was a short too sort of there was the yeah it was it was not called that and
41:23
it was different in story but that's right yeah it was about the yeah exactly
41:28
and I mean he came from a background of visual effects and so he was always
41:32
making characters I think chappie was a character he had come up with previously
41:36
yeah um but he seems to be so Jaded by the Hollywood System that he still finds
41:42
a way to make short films like there's always a short film Neil Blom Camp is
41:47
working on yeah totally and like we all [ __ ] know I mean we know there's no
41:52
money in short films unless somebody can buy a movie
41:56
ticket to it there's no m in it well he did I remember when he just loves making
41:59
films yeah exactly I I remember when live and Joo came out and the thing
42:03
about it and this is probably not going to be impressive to to people these days
42:07
cuz you can do this [ __ ] on your phone now but the special effects in it the
42:11
way that it was handheld camera yes with visual effects done on a low budget yeah
42:17
because it was before motion tracking was a thing yeah and it was like how the
42:21
[ __ ] did they how how did they get that spaceship in the handheld shot yeah
42:27
looks like a handy cam was just whipping around and yet there's a spaceship that
42:32
couldn't possibly have been there on the day cuz you had to lock the camera off
42:35
if you wanted to add a spaceship in back in the day CU otherwise it was going to
42:39
wasn't going to look right yeah yeah that's right and now you can download
42:44
the uh cine FX app and just [ __ ] do it yourself yeah do it on your phone but
42:49
that was not possible in when the '90s I guess was yeah I remember we were
42:55
sharing around live at Jo and just saying look [ __ ] this suck some some
43:00
nerd in South Africa has made this radical short film and then we were just
43:05
like [ __ ] all right this guy's destined for big things and yeah and well I think
43:10
Peter Jackson saw that same short film and and thought the same thing and
43:14
funded uh District 9 yeah and then he just got kind of swallowed up by the
43:20
Hollywood system which is unfortunate what's alysium he did and then uh
43:25
something else too uh I didn't love aium no no it's got It's got a lot of stuff I
43:31
like in it but it's not not as good as uh not great let's be honest and then no
43:37
and there's there's one or two things about it that I particularly dislike
43:41
yeah right I'm uh talking about kind of writing and performance- wise I'm
43:47
specifically talking about the [ __ ] bad guy I thought she was horribly
43:52
written and horribly performed and kind of an insult to the intelligence
43:57
audience yeah Jody Foster yeah okay if you want to name names sure it's
44:02
Jody calling you out I mean not the people couldn't have found that out
44:07
themselves subcription I just I just did not feel like I could just literally
44:11
just if you're Foster name names patreon.com multipl
44:16
nerdgasm you yeah uh I got a brief
44:22
update well this this is a little a little older news now but of interest
44:26
because we had talked about uh Movie Pass which was the service here in the
44:29
US that I was I was a member of did you say was was the service well I I maybe
44:34
maybe it's still going I'm not sure I canceled mine because it was too [ __ ]
44:38
random I didn't I didn't work I have to check on a given day whether I'm
44:42
actually allowed to see any movies or not which defeats the purpose of it um
44:47
but one thing that they did uh it's come out now I think some documents got
44:51
leaked uh and when so okay for listeners who don't know Movie Pass was a service
44:55
in the US uh where you pay basically when I was a member it was 10 bucks a
45:00
month and you could just go see a movie every day uh any movie at the time uh
45:06
and for free not for free because you pay 10 bucks a month but yeah like
45:10
Netflix Netflix of Cinema yeah yeah and over time they changed I sign I'd sign
45:15
up for that in a heartbeat right well I did but then they changed it and then it
45:19
was there were restrictions it was only certain movies and then it was only
45:22
certain times a day and they just tried all this stuff cuz they were just
45:24
bleeding money all over the place cuz you know it was not a working bus model yeah yeah
45:30
and then and then I canel mine because it was just like I said I have to if I
45:33
wanted to go see a movie I'd have to check what are the rules right now like
45:36
can I even go and see this and then it was just stupid yeah um and it's come
45:42
out now that something that they did when uh endgame Avengers endgame came
45:47
out they were like okay we've got a uh there's a segment of our users who see a
45:53
fuckload of movies and they're costing us tons and tons of money
45:57
they're going to go see endgame every day right what can we do to to prevent
46:03
that CU we can't afford to keep going like this so they came up with a
46:07
brilliant idea apparently their CEO said just change their passwords on
46:11
them then they can't log into the app and they won't be able to
46:15
go and what so they
46:18
did they uh what they just changed people's passwords on them and so they
46:25
couldn't go to the movies
46:30
what yeah I know right genius that can't
46:33
be a thing no they did apparently they did
46:38
wow wow so [ __ ] you movie pass yeah wow I mean
46:44
that's that's I'm say allegedly allegedly you know don't sue me I'm just
46:49
this is what the Verge oh nothing to do with us there's an article here this is
46:54
It's been alleged that uh that that according to the the CEO said just
46:58
change their passwords if they can't log into the app they can't go see the movie
47:02
so problem solved but didn't they get bombarded
47:08
with complaints just just ignore them Danny
47:12
just fair yeah yeah just ignore just don't answer the phone yeah and then
47:16
once endgame is out of Cinemas just address them say oh sorry about
47:21
that [ __ ]
47:24
genius so yes movie part pass not long is it still going let me check movie
47:31
thank you for your patience uh Movie Pass has been restored
47:35
oh you can't sign up right now okay I I you have to join the waiting list well
47:41
it sounds like they're going great and it's now $20 a month which is twice what
47:46
it was when I was a member true but if you and a friend go
47:51
once a month that's still 20 bucks worth so but like my biggest concern with it is
47:57
my experience with it sucked because well it worked really really well and I
48:02
loved it for about six months and then at a certain point they ran out of money
48:06
and they couldn't get any more money cuz they I guess they catched in all the
48:09
credit that they had with the banks and whatever sure and so they just started
48:12
changing the rules and and it was like I said every day the rules were different
48:17
and I couldn't see a movie that I wanted to see so what's the point of it yeah
48:21
well absolutely right and then now all the actually one positive that came out
48:25
all of the cinemas here now have their own Subscription
48:28
Service uh if you want they they're more expensive obviously because the price
48:33
point was was a joke but well I mean in this day and age where most Cinemas play
48:38
most movies that's probably viable you know back in the day you had to kind of
48:42
you know go to a specific Cinema to see a specific film but most of the most of
48:47
the theaters in this area uh Showcase Cinemas and showcase has a subscription
48:52
service that I think is I think it's 20 a month off the top of my head
48:57
uh and I I don't know what the restrictions are if there are any but uh
49:03
you know that's that's better than they're not having anything at all so if
49:07
it if it's 20 bucks a month with absolutely no restrictions then I think
49:10
it's probably worth it if you absolutely if you go more than twice a many movies
49:13
as we do yeah yeah yeah or even if you just want to go more than twice a month
49:19
you know what I mean like maybe you wouldn't go but if you had a
49:21
subscription you're like [ __ ] it it's the I'll go to the movies I saw films I
49:24
wouldn't have bothered when cuz I was
49:27
like why not like yeah well I remember when I was a kid the penth Panthers
49:34
Leagues Club had a cinema that if you were a member tickets were free yep
49:39
completely free and you could go to see every session of it if you wanted to and
49:44
if someone in your family had a membership you essentially had a
49:46
membership too so there was one summer where I just saw every movie every movie
49:53
yeah because why not yeah it's like oh I would never go see this [ __ ] it I'll go
49:58
and see it when you we love movies we'll see them like yeah yeah a lot of people
50:04
have put in an effort to make this a good movie even if it wasn't something
50:07
that was on my radar I'll you know I'll let's go and see it yeah I'll tell you a
50:11
movie you won't be seeing unfortunately is the hunt okay are you are you familiar with the
50:18
hunt uh I'm not familiar with the hunt so I uh I I I knew about the hunt
50:24
because it stars Glenn Howton who who is
50:27
uh okay one of my my favorite people uh
50:31
in the world actors from Glen hton from Always Sunny in Philadelphia [ __ ]
50:37
hilarious guy sure yeah and he's also in uh what's the other show he's in there
50:43
uh AP Bio he's in oh okay anyway Fu hilarious know that is but if he's in it
50:49
I'd consider seeing it he was in a film called The Hunt I don't think he's a
50:52
main character but he had he had a role in it so he was sharing uh trailers and
50:56
whatnot on his Instagram so I was aware of this film The the story of the film
51:00
is that a bunch of uh really Lefty people are
51:06
kidnapping uh I think you know really right- wiy people and hunting them for
51:11
SP oh no I did see this yeah yeah yeah know I saw this I saw this trailer yeah
51:16
uh yeah yeah well they've canel it completely because of I think
51:22
specifically because of the recent shootings um and the and the I guess
51:28
the it's a parody obviously of the Very extreme politics yeah in the world these
51:34
days uh but I think because of the extreme politics they've had to cancel
51:38
it I think that's what it BS right does that also mean I can't watch jeanclaude
51:43
Van Dam's '90s classic nowhere to run which is basically also the same uh
51:48
premise uh I think you could probably still get that one I mean this I think
51:53
hopefully this will still have a release of some sort on uh you know on on
51:57
digital or or dvd well DVD obviously but you know hopefully they'll still get
52:01
some sort of they not going to be in theaters they've canceled it so
52:05
yeah that's a shame at first they just canceled the ads and then they canceled
52:10
the release like a week later it's got Hillary Swank in well
52:15
look I mean I I guess the reason they've look people don't students don't cancel
52:21
movies because they're going to offend people they cancel movies because it's
52:24
going to cost them more to play it than it will make them yeah so obviously they think
52:29
there's going to be a big enough boycott of this movie that it's just not worth
52:32
their while right you might as well shove it and then maybe later on they
52:35
can release it and get some money yeah yeah uh which is a shame because it
52:40
certainly does feel like censorship doesn't it yeah I guess
52:46
um it's just like oh this topic is taboo now therefore you can't I mean it's like
52:51
it's like Louis CK's movie about um what is and what isn't sexual harassment that
52:55
came out right before it came out that he was sexually harass harassing people sure
53:02
yeah yeah I I mean I can see why you wouldn't release the film I'll be honest
53:06
yeah so fair enough I just it's just a shame I feel I I
53:12
know doent no no I know but but if it's if people aren't you know people are
53:18
going to be Mass massively against it or upset by it I mean yeah you don't want
53:23
to be on the wrong side of History Pi battles like yeah absolutely I just feel
53:28
bad for like I said the actors and the and the it was written by Damon Lindelof
53:32
uh oh man yeah I mean I mean he's fine he's got up yeah yeah you'll just start
53:37
something else he's fine yeah so yeah it uh obviously it went nowhere if if he
53:44
wrote it it was just he they just made it up oh yeah yeah would wouldn't have
53:47
been an ending definitely wouldn't have been an ending that's a lost joke if
53:52
listeners yeah don't know who Damon lindeloff
53:55
is good though I like him uh yeah I like I like the way he writes I just don't
54:02
like the way he writes endings yeah well that was lost was an
54:06
experiment I think you I think you got to give him credit I love Mane I I give
54:11
him all props for that I lost was amazing I'm Sor they deserve more credit
54:14
for it than that I understand why people were pissed off about it but like if you
54:18
knew that's what they were doing you shouldn't have been surprised like
54:21
exactly right yeah when they wrote the pilot of that they had nobody's
54:26
backstory written yes they had no idea where they were going like they did what
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they set out to do with lost and then if if it got to the end and you realized
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that's what they were doing and you didn't like it sorry that but that
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exactly that was the plan all along was would just throw [ __ ] at the wall and
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see what works yeah yeah it's a mystery that never stops being a mystery yeah
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that's right and in all the there's that hilarious College Humor video where it's
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like all the Loose Ends that they never followed up on yeah they know they did
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it on purpose yeah that's right yeah they were just like I'm going to put a
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polar bear in there why no reason yeah we'll figure that out later if people
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talk about it if if if no one if no one on the Internet is wondering about yeah
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we just we'll ignore it yeah yeah and if people start like we we wrote a hatch
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into one episode that we didn't think we're ever going to come back to and
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then everyone was like what's in the hatch so we were like well I don't know
55:21
maybe we'll show you yeah season 2 is about to hatch now because you reacted
55:26
to the hatch cuz yeah that's right cuz you going to freak the [ __ ] out about
55:30
the hatch yeah it's pretty I mean I don't know I like it I'm into it man I
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appreciate it I'm into it and I actually thought I I didn't watch it when it
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aired uh it was just way too much hype about it and I had other things to watch
55:46
and then when I went back and started watching season one I was like oh holy
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[ __ ] I was totally wrong and I was a snob and this is great yeah you know
55:54
like this is just so good and then for me at least until the third season it
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got consecutively better sure and then maybe it tap it off after
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that yeah well a certain till the end they had you know and then I guess is
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the politics and and the goings on behind it I guess shouldn't matter but
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they they do matter to me and you know the stuff like Michelle Rodriguez was in
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it for a bit and then it's like her character just disappeared cuz she got
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done for DUI in Hawaii when they were filming it and so she couldn't be on the
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show anymore and like yeah I know that sucks and it
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but I feel like if you know that then I
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don't know yeah it's it's a weird
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one and the ending to be honest I mean how the [ __ ] could they have ended this
56:42
I think they did pretty well considering exactly what would have been satisfying
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for everyone how do you end a show that you were making up as you went along
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they did all right that's right yeah yeah no they did fine it's like when you
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sit down as a not that I would know but you know you make up there story as you
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go for child kind of thing that's that's what L and you just hope they fall
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asleep before you get to the end yeah and then whatever whatever they get
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excited about exactly hopefully they W
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go yeah yeah yeah yeah oh a penguin yes this is now the story of a penguin yeah
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what happened to the princess okay we'll go back to that now oh yeah that's right
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if that's what you care about sure and then and then the next day when they ask
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about the uh the Frog you deci that wasn't important yeah that's right don't worry
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about it frog uh we've got some
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followup uh yeah on we got some fortnite
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followup oh sure uh we uh I mean I only
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just found out what fortnite was so all fortnite news is followup news to me
57:48
yeah this article caught my eye just basically because of that because you
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and I you know were a little light on the fortnite knowledge however this guy
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in this article here uh he's a fortnite
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coach and uh I love this scroll down it's got a photo of him there uh Hugh
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take a look at this is this guy fortnite coach he's coached multi-million dollar
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professional oh [ __ ] sake he's 16y old
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uh I think oh no Hugh is not 16 he's 19 but the he's trained a bunch of 16 year
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olds who've gone on to win millions of dollars in fortnite
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tournaments yep okay uh
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little kid he's a fortnite coach uh he did not he did not get any money out of
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this uh he's just happy to do it oh what he this is not a business he runs no no
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he does he charges uh 120s for lessons he'll teach you how to
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play fortnite for £1 120 a lesson I think 120 a lesson is a [ __ ] decent
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bit of money mate M listeners if you want to [ __ ] get good at [ __ ]
58:56
Fallout 3 you give me a call it just the my favorite thing about this article is
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Hugh Gilmore's top five fortnite tips right and then just yeah bearing in mind
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this is a video game and I know video games are different these days but I
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grew up when a video game was not a a was considered not a worthwhile Pursuit
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right so yes correct with that context in mind these are Hugh Gilmore's top five fortnite
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tips number one mhm master your early landing and Route no when fights will
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take place and how you will have an advantage in them tip number two
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practice your mechanics as a warm-up every day aiming editing and building
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drills number three wow drills have a dedicated practice schedule set amounts
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of time that you can do every day for noticeable results box fights the yep step four box
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fights the most crucial part of this game is being able to fight while box to
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box next to another player whatever the [ __ ] that means what that means practice
59:56
these in creative mode against a friend and learn new strategies and then number five use
1:00:02
video on demand to watch your own games back and evaluate why you died and why I
1:00:08
know it's like a golf player now yeah especially the sequence before also very
1:00:12
useful is watching live streams of other professionals and I know I'm being
1:00:17
cynical because this is that's literally how it is these days but just to read a
1:00:20
video game I know taken this seriously
1:00:24
blows my mind practice every day man these guys are these guys are making
1:00:29
serious money off of it in a video game aiming drills you got
1:00:35
to practice your aiming like I practiced my aiming in Fallout in uh Far Cry 5 by
1:00:40
playing the game yeah oh we'll get back to that in a sec but you look the fact
1:00:46
that you can get a coach for this is is certainly a new phenomenon but I
1:00:48
remember back in the day of the Super Nintendo if you used to read Super
1:00:53
Nintendo magazine there was a hotline you could call if you ever got stuck in
1:00:57
a game yes did you you remember that did you ever call the hotline no I used to
1:01:02
get those do you remember the books you could buy that had uh there were the
1:01:05
hint books and they had the Little Red film that you could reveal the like so
1:01:10
it was written with a absolutely I don't know how to describe this I had
1:01:14
Castlevania 2 Simon quest one of those so the the the the text was obscured by
1:01:20
like a an image and to read the text in case you didn't want to spoil yourself
1:01:24
you had to put this red cellophane over the top and it would film over it yeah
1:01:28
so it would reveal the text so uh any listeners under the age of [ __ ] 35
1:01:35
talking about yeah exactly but I
1:01:39
had side of that yeah oh yeah y um we I
1:01:45
can't remember what game it was I can't no I can't remember but we we rang once
1:01:50
and and this is in an era too arguably where video games were less complicated
1:01:56
than they are now like maybe a game like fortnite not that I've played it needs
1:02:00
strategies and needs you know drills but we called up for something lord of the
1:02:06
sword or [ __ ] aled beast or something and basically the expert on the other
1:02:11
end of this hotline was like just keep trying until you get through like that
1:02:16
was their advice either that or if you know in the case of a game like zorc or
1:02:21
you know the old police Quest games it's just literally look at what verb [ __ ]
1:02:25
noun combination do I need to progress past you already know what to do you
1:02:30
just don't know what exact phrasing you have to use yeah exactly type make sure
1:02:37
you pick up the pen microphone before you enter the base at the end of [ __ ]
1:02:42
need it because you cannot go back for it that's a police Quest reference if
1:02:46
anyone knows certainly is yeah yeah and we all know the frustration of getting
1:02:50
into that guy [ __ ] penous and not having the pen to record him on and it
1:02:55
just like oh you should have done that like half the [ __ ] game you [ __ ]
1:02:59
you played so many hands of poker a game that you are too young to understand how
1:03:06
to actually win at and you can no longer finish the game yeah bastard I uh I
1:03:11
played through um on the scum VM the uh Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade
1:03:18
Adventure game recently yeah um very very good game but um the ending is
1:03:23
[ __ ] nonsensical and if anyone got it without an FAQ back in
1:03:29
the day uh my hat is off to you because like I just like when I read what you
1:03:36
had to do I was like oh okay that's fine cuz I would have never ever done that in
1:03:40
a million [ __ ] years have we talked about uh I think Last Crusade might be
1:03:44
one of the first game does it when they first started making those adventure
1:03:48
games like Maniac mansion in particular um yeah Ron Gilbert uh who who who was
1:03:54
the designer of of both of I um yeah he was at least the writer of of
1:04:00
Indie I don't know if he necessarily designed it but yeah he was certainly
1:04:04
well when they did Maniac Mansion there was situations where you could get stuck
1:04:09
basically yeah you just couldn't finish the game yeah and so he came up with uh
1:04:13
you can look this up on his website actually he they're called puzzle
1:04:16
dependency charts which is this system that he developed that they he uses for
1:04:20
every game from now on even like death spank which is a game he did more
1:04:22
recently on Xbox uh which is more of a role playing game he uses these puzzle
1:04:27
dependency charts which it's basically a flow chart right that yeah ensures that
1:04:32
you can't ever get stuck because and I'm not going to go into the details of it
1:04:37
but he's got an article on his site about how it works and it's just so
1:04:41
simple but so like necessary and I think I think maybe Last Crusade was the first
1:04:47
game to use them but like definitely Monkey Island those games use it and
1:04:50
that's why in in the Lucas Arts games you never got stuck in a way that you
1:04:56
couldn't finish the game you might get stuck at a puzzle um yeah and you might
1:05:01
you might not get as many points for one ending as you would for another ending
1:05:05
but right but then with the you know some of the Sierra games they they
1:05:10
weren't doing that and so you could literally just get stuck yeah basically and the Sierra
1:05:16
games got better as time went on too but like the original um police Quest and
1:05:20
king's quest and space Quest like you could not know why you can't finish the
1:05:24
game but you can't right because you don't have the piece of glass from the
1:05:27
crash spaceship to get past the laser in space you also don't know and there's no
1:05:31
internet to tell you this so you don't know that you're trying in vain to
1:05:36
finish the game also I just it's I I have these [ __ ]
1:05:41
examples in my head of of when this happened like that that's an actual
1:05:46
example from space Quest that uh I am aware of because I got it wrong and I'm
1:05:51
I will never forget that because I was like [ __ ] you exactly you would exactly
1:05:56
exactly should not be impossible to go back and get that piece of glass yeah
1:06:02
that's right no which is why they fixed it up by at a certain point even in the
1:06:06
king's quest and the seea games like that too but Maniac Mansion is notorious
1:06:10
for that there's several instances in the game that if you don't do something
1:06:14
in the right order you just cannot win and you don't know that you can't so
1:06:19
you'll just keep trying oh and Zack McCracken too I think yeah another great
1:06:23
game mind you I look I I love retro games everyone knows this and I I play I
1:06:29
play a lot and I I kind of troll the abandoned we sites for games that I've
1:06:33
forgotten about or or never gotten around to playing but I'll say this
1:06:37
there's a reason the ones we remember fondly are the ones we remember fondly
1:06:41
and the ones that we have forgotten about have forgotten well here but
1:06:46
before we go I want to put out a an ask to the listeners and this is a this is a
1:06:50
obscure ask and I'm not I'm not really I don't think I'm ever going to get an
1:06:54
answer to this cuz I've actually been looking for a game it's a game that I
1:06:59
used to play on my Commodore 64 so that already that already a bit of a barrier
1:07:04
because you have to have had a com 64 there is a game yeah where uh you fly a
1:07:11
spaceship kind of like Defender left to right around the world uh and then you
1:07:15
do fight alien ships and stuff but also part of it is you have to pick up and
1:07:22
rescue uh people on the ground right but before you can do that you have to kill
1:07:26
enough enemies that you can save up and buy a tractor beam to pick up the people
1:07:30
on the ground right and rescue them and then uh and then the specifics become a
1:07:35
bit blurry after that but at some point the game moves off into space and then
1:07:40
you fly and you have to destroy I believe a giant laser on a planet
1:07:45
somewhere okay and it's I mean it sounds great I don't know what the name of this
1:07:50
game is I always thought it was called Space Ace but I cannot find a game like
1:07:56
I can find games called space a but they're not this game right yeah so
1:08:01
listeners if you have any [ __ ] idea what this game is I just really want to
1:08:06
find a copy of it to play on an emulator or something and just just CU I really
1:08:11
fun couple of listeners who who might know that so please do write in podcast
1:08:15
at multiple.com if you just send suggestions I've got here I'm looking at
1:08:20
it on my shelf I've got uh a number of commod 64 books that cover ranges of
1:08:26
games uh it's not in any of them as far as I can tell I've got uh there's
1:08:31
websites that catalog all of the games I've I've looked under space right and I
1:08:36
can't find it so that but that doesn't mean it's not called something else I
1:08:40
just yeah yeah just don't remember podcast at multip gm.com MGM on Twitter multip on
1:08:46
Facebook help me you're my only hope really quickly before we go and before
1:08:52
we get off games and we can leave the discussion till next week yeah but
1:08:57
uh I picked up Far Cry 5 yes and I'm [ __ ] loving it yeah excellent It's
1:09:04
good right it's all I'll say for now it's all I'll say for now um but I
1:09:08
[ __ ] love shooting [ __ ] religious
1:09:12
zealots it's a good game too yeah yeah that's all for this week thank you for
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