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Selena Gomez Wedding Snub, Denise Richard’s Divorce with Guy Branum · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I have my friend, my office mate, oh my gosh, attorney, director.
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  Speaker 3: A filmmaker.
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  Speaker 4: What did I direct?
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  Speaker 3: Have you not directed yet? No. Model, actor, now social influencer.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a winner of a ring. Have you heard about
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  Speaker 3: the rings? No.
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  Speaker 4: What are the rings?
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  Speaker 3: There's a new thing that I saw. They're going to
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  Speaker 3: be like an award show for content creators. Oh, wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: So you might win a ring.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're finally spending the time and doing really funny things,
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  Speaker 3: roasting people. food at county fairs.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Very funny. That's probably my favorite video you've done lately.
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  Speaker 3: Guy Branum, multi, multi award-winning writer, which you brought them
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  Speaker 3: all the last time.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And just how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm great. It's always good to see you. But more
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  Speaker 4: than that, a lot of stuff has been going on
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  Speaker 4: that I've wanted to talk to you about, but not
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  Speaker 4: the least of which is I, over the course of
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  Speaker 4: the last three months, consumed all of Vanderpump. And my
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  Speaker 4: eyes are open now.
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  Speaker 3: So you started from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 4: I started from the very beginning because I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: understand and also, like, I had seen that backdoor pilot
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  Speaker 4: years ago when they did the episode that was Real
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  Speaker 4: Housewives of Beverly Hills and then it turned into half
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  Speaker 4: an episode.
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  Speaker 3: They followed, yeah, they followed Sheena to the other room.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and like, Jax was a very compelling persona, the
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  Speaker 4: kind of person that we all see in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: And I did want to like chart this full journey
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  Speaker 4: so that I could really understand Scandival. And now that
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  Speaker 4: I have taken it all down, like.
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  Speaker 3: So you finished all of it.
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  Speaker 4: I finished all of it.
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  Speaker 3: You are caught up to the end.
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  Speaker 4: I'm caught up to the end. And I really feel
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  Speaker 4: like they squeezed all the juice out of that. Like
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  Speaker 4: there are a couple of people on there who I
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  Speaker 4: still like. I think Sheena is a great reality show performer.
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  Speaker 4: I think I do deeply love Lala. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that they have more reality show in them. But most
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  Speaker 4: of those people, it's like, we got everything we're going
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  Speaker 4: to get out of both Toms. We got everything we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get out of Ariana. And like, I really
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  Speaker 4: felt like it was a complete story.
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  Speaker 3: Very, I love, first of all, you know, so many
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  Speaker 3: times people are like, in the comments when someone writes
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  Speaker 3: on Juicy Scoop Obsessed or whatever, my Patreon, going, all right, guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I've never watched this or what season of
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  Speaker 3: Housewives should I start on? And the comments are always like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous that you're starting from
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. And so it's kind of fun to hear
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  Speaker 3: someone like you who, you know, can appreciate what that
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  Speaker 3: show was. And I agree. It is like no other
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  Speaker 3: because it involved– what the rest of the world wondered
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  Speaker 3: what it was like to be a young aspiring actor
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  Speaker 3: model doing the waiter thing in LA. And they were
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  Speaker 3: all real and they all had relationships and they all
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  Speaker 3: worked at this place. And I don't think there's been
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  Speaker 3: a more organic origin story to a reality show than
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  Speaker 3: what Vanderpump was besides the Osbournes and the Kardashians who
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  Speaker 3: were truly a family. Like it's, Even more so than
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  Speaker 3: any Real Housewives, because even in the beginning of Real Housewives,
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  Speaker 3: there was a bit of casting and people meeting for
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  Speaker 3: the first time when the cameras came out. This was from,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what made it so fascinating as a reality
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  Speaker 3: show Bravo fan. And it is to me kind of
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  Speaker 3: like an end of an era because I'm going to,
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing BravoCon and like two years ago, It was
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  Speaker 3: still in the height of, like, the whole Scandival. And
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  Speaker 3: they were all there. And now it's like Tom Sandoval is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not really going to be part of the
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  Speaker 3: valley that we know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And Lala is going to be part of the valley.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know if you're aware, but Sheena is not.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, really? I have to imagine Sheena wants to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what's so juicy about it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So Sheena... There's a lot to Sheena that I relate to.
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  Speaker 3: They call her the pick-me girl. And people would say
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  Speaker 3: that about me when I was on the panel. And just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just sort of like happy. And people would say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you make it about yourself and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But very entertaining. And truly the reason Vanderpump had a
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  Speaker 3: reason to go was because of her connection with having
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  Speaker 3: this affair prior to... you know, before we see it.
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  Speaker 3: But in the past, she had had an affair with
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  Speaker 3: Eddie Cibrian, who was Brandi Glanville's husband. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it launched there. So it's crazy that now, third season
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  Speaker 3: of Valley, which we all thought. So I, to just
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  Speaker 3: fill you in, she wrote a book that is a
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  Speaker 3: New York Times bestseller. And one of the main bomb
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  Speaker 3: drop that nobody knew until the book was like out
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  Speaker 3: and on the shelves was is that her husband, now
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  Speaker 3: husband Brock, before they were married, they got pregnant with
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  Speaker 3: their daughter, Summer Moon. And while she was pregnant, Brock
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  Speaker 3: had an affair. And Brock let her know, ironically, during
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  Speaker 3: the actual unfolding of Scandival, that two years prior, he
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  Speaker 3: had an affair because he was seeing Reddits and things
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  Speaker 3: and he thought it would come out. She took it in.
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  Speaker 3: Kept it to herself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, didn't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, so they're saying it was unfair of her to
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  Speaker 4: not be revealing misinformation while Scandival was coming out?
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  Speaker 3: Some people think that. Some people appreciate that in the
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  Speaker 3: book she explained, now she explains what was going on
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  Speaker 3: during her life. But me personally, I was like, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, brilliant to save the nugget for your book.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're given everything on reality shows. You have your
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  Speaker 3: own podcast. You've done a million interviews. Like, you've got
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  Speaker 3: to save some stuff for your book. However, I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: what was the logic behind sharing it? One is you
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  Speaker 3: just want to be authentic. Okay, that's noble. But let's
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  Speaker 3: make some lemonade out of it. So I'm thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to come on the Valley. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: have discussions with you and Brock. That, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: you've gotten past it or that.
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  Speaker 4: Was she being gatekeepy about it? Was she saying, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to talk about this?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. So anyway, so that's what I thought
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  Speaker 3: would happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Then there was rumblings where she and Lala weren't getting along,
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  Speaker 3: which I kind of went through on the last episode.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was like, well, then that'll be really
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  Speaker 3: great to kind of see them manage, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: so much of these friendships with in-house wives and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: Some of it has– a lot of it has to
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  Speaker 3: do with the actual filming of the show or a
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  Speaker 3: brand deal that you're both up for. Or we did
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  Speaker 3: a commercial and she was acting like a diva. And, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just what we're seeing about, oh, you didn't
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  Speaker 3: bring the carrot cake. It's like, you know, and now
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  Speaker 3: they kind of break the fourth wall and we can
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  Speaker 3: see that they all have these big careers.
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  Speaker 4: I love when you have a flashback to a reunion
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  Speaker 4: episode during an actual episode.
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  Speaker 3: And then they call it New York. They're like, what
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  Speaker 3: happened in New York?
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  Speaker 4: What happened in New York?
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  Speaker 3: Because they can't– they don't say the reunion. Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 3: So then– I see she's not doing The Valley. And
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  Speaker 3: rumors are, oh, it's because she exposed too much about
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  Speaker 3: how they make reality TV in her book, and Bravo's pissed.
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  Speaker 3: So she has Alex Batson come on her show, and
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  Speaker 3: he's the producer of that stuff. And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's not the case. We did give you a compelling offer.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a compelling offer. And she's like,
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  Speaker 3: and I chose no, because she saw a comment- that
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  Speaker 3: really stuck with her where someone said, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: Sheena is the girl who graduated from high school and
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  Speaker 3: keeps coming back to the high school parties. But I wish.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what. I wish she would have.
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  Speaker 4: The Valley is community college. The Valley is community college
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  Speaker 4: for reality TV. It's its point is that it's, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's that you've moved along, but like you haven't moved away.
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  Speaker 3: I totally get her point and her desire to do
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  Speaker 3: other things. And, you know, she's maybe it was, in
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  Speaker 3: viewing the offer, which maybe the money wasn't that great.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it was, okay, I do wanna make this marriage
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  Speaker 3: work and I don't think rehashing it, which I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to have to do is gonna be good for my family.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but she turned it down. She turned
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  Speaker 3: it down and yeah, and I feel the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was like, well, but what's smart about Sheena
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  Speaker 3: is that she didn't go off with guns a blazing
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  Speaker 3: and flipping them off and threatening to sue or something
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  Speaker 3: she's just like hey, never say never, thanks for coming
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  Speaker 3: on my show. And I think Alex Baskin is also
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  Speaker 3: smart enough to know that, yeah, maybe next season you'll
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  Speaker 3: want to come on and it'll even be juicier. Whatever
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  Speaker 3: your life is, that's a thing. I mean, I do
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  Speaker 3: really think it's hard when your main, your business is
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  Speaker 3: just being you and what goes on in your life.
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  Speaker 3: And then they're like, you need to share this. And
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  Speaker 3: if you don't share it, they get mad. And if
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  Speaker 3: you share it, then you could really fuck up the
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  Speaker 3: trajectory of your marriage or your kids.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's something that I think you have encountered as
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  Speaker 4: somebody who like loves this stuff and pays a lot
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  Speaker 4: of attention to it, but also you have an amazing,
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  Speaker 4: like artistic career. And like some of these people, the
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  Speaker 4: only skill that they have is stirring the shit, you know? And,
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  Speaker 4: and like, it can be rough when the only thing you,
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  Speaker 4: when your most marketable skill is starting a fight. I
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  Speaker 4: have a question for you. I have so much respect
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  Speaker 4: for the women who managed, I think it was only, Well, no,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like for everyone who managed to fuck their
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  Speaker 4: way onto that show inside of like a permanent basis,
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  Speaker 4: including Brock, but.
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  Speaker 3: You mean, oh, find a relationship of someone who's cast
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  Speaker 3: and then you become a cast member.
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  Speaker 4: Brittany and Raquel. And like the fundamental question for me
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  Speaker 4: has to be, was it chicken shit of Raquel to
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  Speaker 4: get herself into that situation and then be like, I
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  Speaker 4: can't deal with it? Or like part of me is
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  Speaker 4: sympathetic to it must have felt like the world hated
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  Speaker 4: you when it, when Scandaval came out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it did. She had like major mental health issues.
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  Speaker 3: Like she went to like a place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And now she is, got a great boyfriend. She was
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  Speaker 3: doing a podcast, which she stopped where she'd recap the show.
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  Speaker 4: Terrible podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I also, I think mentally like, yeah, just like
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  Speaker 3: anything in this world of social media, it's like, yeah
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  Speaker 3: stop following someone mute them yeah like you don't need
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  Speaker 3: to see all the fun they're having without you you
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  Speaker 3: don't need to see them filming without you they always
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  Speaker 3: make such a big deal like oh my god garcelle
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  Speaker 3: from real houses of beverly hills stopped following all the
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  Speaker 3: cast members that's what you should do yeah like you
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be seeing them all doing stuff because you know
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  Speaker 3: that when you look at it it gives you like
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  Speaker 3: an emotional reaction because it's painful and like And maybe
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  Speaker 3: you want people to know that you've moved on and
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  Speaker 3: you're not following them.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like the Garcells and the Heather Dubros and, like,
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  Speaker 4: maybe not Lisa, but, like, definitely Eileen Davidson, like, took
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  Speaker 4: it as a job. Did it as a job to
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  Speaker 4: help their career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then when they were done, went off and treated
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  Speaker 4: it like it was a job.
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  Speaker 3: A stint.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very, very interesting, too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think they probably, you know, it's fun to
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  Speaker 3: have a star, but they probably are like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: we want a lifer. Like, we want a lifer. We
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  Speaker 3: want someone who's going to get tenure, who's going to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have no way getting out. They're going to
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  Speaker 3: have to be trapped because they're going to get addicted
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  Speaker 3: to the fame. Terry Dubrow was recently being interviewed, Heather
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  Speaker 3: Dubrow's husband, who's a plastic surgeon from OC, and he said...
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  Speaker 3: all the women hate, this is what he said. I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was pretty, he goes, all the women hate
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  Speaker 3: doing the show, but they are addicted to now being famous.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, I like being famous too. Being a
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  Speaker 3: reality star is different than being Tom Cruise. I can
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  Speaker 3: go to restaurants.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just famous enough where it's fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it does not like I have to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I can't have a day on my own. Like it's
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  Speaker 3: never like that because a lot of people don't watch
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  Speaker 3: the shows and don't know who you are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, But yeah, the fact that now it's become this
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  Speaker 3: thing where you have to fight. And I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just like, The anxiety that I get sometimes when I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I have an episode that comes out that maybe I
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  Speaker 3: said one thing that people were like, how dare you
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  Speaker 3: say that? Like, I even get like, ooh. And then
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, if this was with people that I
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  Speaker 3: really were friends with and then all the pile on
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  Speaker 3: of all the people now and what it's become, podcasting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Instagram people talking about it. It's a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There's been criticism, like some people have criticized in Taylor
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  Speaker 4: Swift's new album, sort of some of the things that
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  Speaker 4: she says about the experience of being famous. And like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm speaking, thinking specifically of a lyric that is about
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  Speaker 4: like an eldest daughter. I think like how easy it
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  Speaker 4: is to criticize people and how everybody just put on
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  Speaker 4: wolf's clothing and acts like looks fire. And basically it's
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  Speaker 4: much easier to be aggressive and act like nothing impacts
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  Speaker 4: you that it is to be like honest and emotionally
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  Speaker 4: vulnerable in this time. And I do think it is
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  Speaker 4: something more universal than just something experienced by the biggest
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  Speaker 4: pop star in the world. But I also think there's
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  Speaker 4: something like interesting. I think there are some people in
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  Speaker 4: public discourse who have become very comfortable with being wrong
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  Speaker 4: and just like saying things and doing things that are
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  Speaker 4: wrong sometimes and accepting that that is the cost of
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  Speaker 4: doing business when there are cameras on you all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the fear of that and trying, trying
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  Speaker 4: to because it is hard when people criticize you yeah
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  Speaker 4: but also that is it's going to happen and you
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  Speaker 4: just kind of have to like.
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  Speaker 3: Walk through it and now it's like we're used to
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  Speaker 3: the housewives like fighting and saying mean things and bringing
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  Speaker 3: up you know horrible things about their business stuff and
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  Speaker 3: we're like used to it and when it doesn't happen
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  Speaker 3: we're like oh that was kind of boring like because
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  Speaker 3: now that's what we're used to.
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  Speaker 4: No absolutely like i mean I am a bad Housewife
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  Speaker 4: viewer because I love Carol Radswell, who was always a
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  Speaker 4: little bit above the fray and sometimes not doing the
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  Speaker 4: job that she needed to be doing of keeping the
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  Speaker 4: shit stirred. But I just need to say, my one
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  Speaker 4: big takeaway from 12 seasons of Vanderpump Rules is... That
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  Speaker 4: sandwich shop is really good.
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  Speaker 3: You ate at it?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, I'm glad it's still happening. I have yet to
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  Speaker 3: get over there, but I don't live nearby.
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing. I have gone to celebrate the experience
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  Speaker 4: to many Vanderpump restaurants. And, you know, I got a
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  Speaker 4: fine steak and a beverage, but I was mostly there
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  Speaker 4: for vibes.
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  Speaker 3: You got a steak sandwich. And energy.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm saying at like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, at the Vanderpump. So what did you get at
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  Speaker 3: the sandwich shop?
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  Speaker 4: One time I got the Nancy, but converted to a
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  Speaker 4: California club. So it's like sourdough bread, turkey, avocado, bacon,
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  Speaker 4: which is like.
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  Speaker 3: You can't go wrong.
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  Speaker 4: The sandwich I love most. And it's a very good
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  Speaker 4: execution of it. And then one time I got. the Cameron,
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  Speaker 4: which is like Italian cold cuts on focaccia. And like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I was expecting it to be a mediocre restaurant that
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: was surviving off of the fact that it was two
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: people from Vanderpump and that they have a good viable business,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: especially after how on earth did Tom and Tom fuck
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: up Schwartz and Sandy's? Like, I don't understand that. with
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: all of that free advertising.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I think it, because they spent, I think it was
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: a few things. The location.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Wasn't a place where kids would like bar hop, which
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: is why, you know, in West Hollywood, where it was like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you could, if you're traveling and you wanted to have
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a little fun thing, you could go to the pump.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: You could go to Vanderpump. You could go to Tom Tom's.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: You could go. Then there's other bars right there to
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: go to.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: It kills me. So rooster fish, a bar from Venice
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: took over, uh, the pump location. And every time I
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: see Lisa's olive trees and I'm like, she brought in
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: those olive trees. It tears me apart.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I think that was part of it. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: think they made it like a little too high end
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: and they spent too much on the decor. And so, yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I think you, you need to have a simpler plan.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And I actually, that's why the sandwich shop does great. Like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I think that's why it's still there and great.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: click and collect.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So easy.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: filed against me.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: started crying.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to pull punches.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Now, speaking of which, Katie and Lala... were not having
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: talked for like a year.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And she, I just saw that she said on her show, Lala,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I am reaching, I wanted to reach out maybe and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: make up with Katie. What would be your advice to,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: in this situation to the girls?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I've ever seen someone successfully make
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: up with Katie. Like she seems to be, I mean,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: like did Stassi manage to do it once or twice?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: But like Katie can be very much in her own
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: emotions and she can, you know, get dark. And that's
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: really rough for me where I think Lala is like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: for all of the ridiculousness of Lala, I think there
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: is like, a balance and a center and a sense
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: of self. And I really respect that she's taking on
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the task of getting back in a good place with Katie.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I just think it's hard work and I don't know
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: if it would ultimately be worth it. Like, I think
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Katie is also a very grounded person. I think that
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: she just, I would love to know her star sign.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: She's very, she holds a grudge.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yes. So, all right. So do you have any more questions?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Are you going to watch The Valley?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I am going to watch The Valley just because, like.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: So now you're going to start watching The Valley? Yes.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Because you have two full seasons to watch.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, realizing that, like, I'm going to start
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: out from a place of Britney still likes Jax at
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the beginning of that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Hilarious. I do find it amusing that she left that
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: military show after a single day. I expected more from Britney.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: So I mentioned thinking that you would get— how much money
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you get— It has been confirmed through multiple sources to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: me that you get that chunk of money whether you
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: stay one day or all of them.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Don't you think, as an EP, that's a stupid plan?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: That's a very stupid plan.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, fine, I'm leaving the first day, too.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: You better fucking believe it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, she probably just wanted to get back to it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: And that was after I thought I praised her because
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: she was going to clean the toilets. But I also
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: don't blame her for leaving.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, it's physically I don't care how much
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you've worked out. It's so hard. And as a woman,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: if you're not physically fit and you're doing, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: a very physical job of what they want you to do,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: like haul up shit up a stairs.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. Also, this is their career. And like when
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: people see you being to some extent a bad sport
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: in that way, they're not going to want to let you,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you know, come sing in a mask. Um, but I
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: like ultimately, okay. The last question I want to ask
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: you is how do you feel about Ariana's transformation? Just
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: because one of the amazing things about Vanderpump is that
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: it takes the premise that these people want to be
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: actors or singers, and it sort of pulls it apart
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: by saying, what if we just make you famous on
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: your own terms? And a lot of people give that up.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: And there were so many people with singing careers in
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: season three that did not have them later on. Um,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: but Ariana, like, once Scandival happened and she had so
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: much sympathy, Love Island came through, Chicago came through, so
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: many of these real opportunities that she had been training for.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Let us never forget, Ariana takes sketch comedy very seriously.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Which I love.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: But I did have, like, I wondered about her, like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: leaving behind the transparency. Like, she was never the most transparent.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: No, she wasn't. And I think, you know, there's no
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: formula to making it work.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, she didn't share a lot. She wasn't
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: a compelling character to watch on Vanderpump. Always pretty. Didn't have, like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: great one-liner moments like a Stassi or anything.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: But had the.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: True confidence of a very pretty girl.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Right. And then when this shit went down... it was
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: so amazing to see her act in the moment of
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like screaming at her ex, like, I don't give a
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: fuck about Raquel. Like she really just gained this, like
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: this fan base and then got these opportunities and executed them. And,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it was the most amazing, horrible thing that
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: turned into something great. And I mean, I remember right
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: when it happened, she like, shut down her Instagram and
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I was like to Lala oh my god she shouldn't
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: do that like you know it's like every there's no
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: there's no rules to it so I would say what
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I do think is is hard is like you know
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: lawless I mean um Sheena said I just had such
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: a good time doing an episode of Lopez versus Lopez
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: like I kind of want to explore what other things
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I can do since I want to be an actress However,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: we know that when you're, you know, Greg Brady for
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: five years on the Brady Bunch, it was really hard
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: for you to get other work without people always seeing
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: you as Greg Brady or whatever. So yes, now that
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you were, now that you were a like no name
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in the reality world, I do think it's going to
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: be hard to get other jobs as an actor or
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: even a host. I do. But I hope it works out.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I think she's very well positioned to continue doing what
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: she's doing with Love Island.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Not for her. I'm saying for other people. Like I said,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Heather Dubrow is taking growlings classes and she's like, I
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: want to get into acting again. And I don't think
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that she got parts thrown to her throughout the years
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of doing the OC. But I'm just saying it would
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: be weird to see her Like, I just feel like
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: when a housewife's placed into something, it's kind of few
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and far between just because we know them as this
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: other person. I think it's a gamble.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Heather Dubrow is the exception. Heather Dubrow is a fucking pro.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, I agree.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I have no doubts about that. But also, I just
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: want to say, the thing that Ariana gave that was like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: to me, the most interesting and transparent was that moment of,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: then why won't you have this conversation with me when
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the cameras aren't on? And that real understanding- With Tom Sandoval.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: With Tom Sandoval. Just sort of understanding- have a relationship
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that may like that may be fiction and like that
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: was fiction and i didn't realize it's you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Know i mean it's all the truman show i mean
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it's like so the truman show and then when you
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: see that these kids are part of it it's just
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: it's that movie is exactly what we're living now and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: it was only like 20 years ago it's.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Lenny's so fucking good in that movie who Laura Linney plays.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, the mom.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It's an amazing movie that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: If you watch... I think she's like the... Is she
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: the wife? I think she's like his wife.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Yes, on it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And I feel like too many people are like making
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: their kid a Truman.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And they have never sat down to watch that movie
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: and they probably should.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: So do... Okay. I am obsessed with this Orthodox Jewish
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: tiktoker and her like five daughters.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: And like some people are very critical of... of having
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: the daughters on the TikTok channel.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I think kids are hilarious and fun, but it is
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: putting your kids out there. How do you feel about
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: people using their kids on their socials and stuff?
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's very, very hard. And I, I don't know. I,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when I first started my Instagram and, and,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and all that when we were in Chelsea lately and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I like purposely never showed the kids.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And I, I would talk about them on stage and stuff,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: but like, I wouldn't like show their faces or anything.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, Oh, I guess that would
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: have been okay. Like when I saw like other people
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: doing it and I'm like, Oh, I wonder if I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: should have like exploited the more then, you know, but
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: so I get that now it's like, Everybody does it. But, no,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I've talked about it at length of, like, how dangerous
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: it can be. And now, especially when it's your income.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: When it's your income and then you're, like, I, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I had this one journalist on. And there was a
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: girl that had to do a brand deal about when
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: she got her period.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: And.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: You know, and her mom did a whole video on
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: making her a period like gift basket. And then she
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: had to talk about the pad that she likes at
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: like 13. And when these kids say, I don't want
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: to do it, then the parent will say, okay, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: guess we have to sell the house. And it's like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I'm 13.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. None of the protections that are there for a
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: kid who's on a set, you know?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like when your kid is doing
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: gymnastics or a sport. And then at like 12, they're like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do soccer anymore. And you're like, what,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: but you did soccer all this time? And they're like, yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not into it anymore. The same thing happens with
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: a child dancing around at four that's acting completely into it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And then at 11, they might be like, no mom,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: like I don't want the camera in my face. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: then their opinions and privacy are no longer respected because
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: there's a paycheck that supports the whole family. So that's
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: why I think it's dangerous. And same thing with the
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: reality show. Like I have said in Real Housewives of
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, Mary's son has a drug addiction problem,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and they have this heart-whelming conversation, but the kid admits, yeah,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I used today, I used today. And why, he's like,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of anxiety. She's like, why? He's like,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I just had a lot of anxiety today. And I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: was like, you had a lot of anxiety because your
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: mom told you the camera people are coming at four o'clock.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Don't put your kid on camera. It's stressful. And then
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: have people write about you and talk about you and like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is good for your rehab. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: liked watching Intervention 2, but a lot of those people
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: didn't make it either. I don't know that we should
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: be watching these people when they're in a state where
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: they really can't give consent, adult or not.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: My friends who have- kids who are like 12 to
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: 15 are in a state of constant war and the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: notion of having to do that while servicing brands or
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: bravo just seems terrifying you know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. Let's get into a couple more topics
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and then we'll get back to the housewives.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: This was juicy. Ben Affleck is a executive producer on
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez's new movie, Kiss of a Spider Woman. And
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: so they saw each other on the red carpet and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: it looked like he was telling her stuff, probably how
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: great she was in the movie. And she was smiling
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and it seemed to appear to be fine. And then
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: she was on there with her twins, who are 17,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the boy-girl twins. And she said, we're looking at colleges.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And everyone says they look just like Marc Anthony. But
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the girl, if you zoom in, she has exactly J-Lo's eyes.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: She has exactly J-Lo's eyes. Anyway, and then she did
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: remove that weird black thing. for the dinner, but it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: kind of good because it's sort of spidery.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Right, right. It's very, you know, figure eight, Black Widow-y
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: kind of thing. Like, we have lost a lot of
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: true glamour, and I think their messy on-again, off-again is
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: the closest thing we have to Elizabeth Taylor and Richard
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Burton that's going on today. I also think she's capable
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: of good performances. Like, she gave us one truly great
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: performance in Out of Sight, and we've been waiting to
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: see that again. And, like, if she can kill it
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: in Kiss of the Spider.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Woman— Supposedly this is going to be her thing. Like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: this is getting a lot of buzz.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: And also it's a musical, which means she will be
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: nominated for a Golden Globe, which, like, sets her up
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: nicely to maybe get an Oscar nomination. So having some
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: buzz going on is a good thing. I mean, Ben
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Affleck is— ridiculous but also he directed argo you know
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: um like that back tattoo does not take away the
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: fact that he is an academy award winner and a
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: very capable filmmaker and like i love them having this
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: dance back and forth.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And let's not forget didn't he screw the nanny oh
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: did he I allegedly, I'm believing that he had some,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: or there was rumors or something that there was a
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: nanny during his Jennifer Gardner stint. So it's like anyone
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: that I think gets with the help is the lowest
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: of the low.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: He is a Dunkin' Donuts swilling, like goon, but also like.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: But hot as shit, in my opinion, still hot.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Even with that back tattoo. Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I, my favorite time was him in the town.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yes.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So that's his hottest taste movie.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, is like, I feel like he
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: swings back towards her and there is this element of
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: chaos and glamor to the two of them together. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: just love knowing that Jennifer Garner is safe, you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: posting Instagram reels of recipes from her kitchen, like makes
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: me happy, but like, I'm glad that this is going on. And,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: even if they're just doing it for the camera is
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: good and you never know where it could go.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: So they said that then he like left and then
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: she got to have her fun at the after party
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and having people come up to her and yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: She'll never be a States woman. Like she, like a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: States woman.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Just sort of like a big deal above the fray.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: The way that some of these people who are like
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: big star Gwyneth Paltrow, you know, like, Jennifer Lopez will
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: never get into a safe relationship with a television producer
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: and have her brands and dress in elegant white. She
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: will dress in elegant white while she is doing somewhat
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: goofy and sometimes amazing things.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I think she didn't realize that she could be above
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: it all. And I think that she is a workaholic person.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And I think she said yes to too many things
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: along the way. Too many brands. She became, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: like when all these people become like an influencer like
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the rest of us, I'm like, you shouldn't have to
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: do that. Like you're J-Lo. And that's where I think
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: this is, if she can stick to like doing cool
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: stuff like this as she enters the next phase of
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: life and kind of stays above it and knows like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I don't have to do all these things. Like she
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was going to do products with like A-Rod at one point.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: What are you thinking, girl?
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: She likes being famous more than she likes any of
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: the things that she is very good at doing. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: that's rough.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe so. Maybe that's what it is. I mean, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: love her style and her look like more than anybody.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's gorgeous and so talented. All right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Let's talk. I just want to get your opinion now
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that it's been a week since the you know, Saudi
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Arabian comedy festival that got a lot of talk. Many
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: comedians went, some defended themselves. Jessica Kershon, who really popped,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: she's been a working comic for a long time. She
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: came on my show once, but she really popped when
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: she was doing a lot of stage work that went viral.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: And she is a lesbian. She is a mother. And
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: she went and she came back and did a lengthy
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: apology to her fans. And she said she would be
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: donating her entire amount that she made to a civil
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: rights or human rights organization. So I wanted to just
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: fill in that part.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Well, the first thing is I take weekly French lessons
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: on Wednesday.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: You do?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Yes. Bonjour. And I, a couple of weeks ago, brought
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: this up. to my French instructor as like a thing
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: that we could talk about. And just the question of like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know, would I go to a country that kills
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: gay people and where it's, I believe illegal to be
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Jewish in exchange for $ 350, 000, what Tim Dillon was getting.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And he was just like, you would, he was just like,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: he was just like, you would. And the thing is,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: is like, I like, It's a lot of money, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Chris Rock, who was making a lot more than $ 350, 000,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: said they paid me enough to look the other way.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Was it Chris Rock who said that? Somebody said they
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: paid me enough to look the other way. No, no,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Bill Burr?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: It was Dave Chappelle who said that. Okay. Because I
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: think Chris Rock has more conviction than that. And also,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: for some of these people, it's like.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Some people thought, let's just talk about Dave Chappelle, is
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: that remember when he turned down- allegedly $ 50 million to
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: continue his Comedy Central show because he felt he wasn't
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: getting what he was getting. I don't know, but people change.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: People change.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: That was like 25 years ago. Maybe he's not the
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: same person he was 25 years ago.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: He feels so aggrieved by people telling him you don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: need to constantly be saying mean things about trans people.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: It's so weird that it... So many of these people
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: are the ones who are like, oh, there's no free
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: speech in America because I can't call people the F-slur
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: anytime I want to. And it's like, you're going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: a country where criticism of the government can get you beheaded. Like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: you're going to a country... Like, I just think, personally,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I think I shouldn't probably vacation in any country where
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: people are, like, going to jail or getting killed for
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: being gay. And that's hard because that's still a lot
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: of countries and... you know, I don't want to go somewhere,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: and I know that it won't happen to me, but
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I am only protected by my American passports, and I
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: need to, like, acknowledge the fact that this is a
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: real problem and struggle in these places and not just
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: breeze around on the fact that I am white and
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: from America.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: And so do you think, so do you, how, what's
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: your prediction for this? Is it going to happen next year?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Are there going to, is it going to be, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: even a bigger festival, even more people doing it? What's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: your prediction?
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think it will benefit or help them out
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: as much as like Qatar having a, was it Qatar? Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Qatar had the world cup. Like they're doing all of
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: these things to sort of like change the vibe of
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: on these countries. And, and we, one thing you need
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to remember about most of these Gulf countries is that
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the majority of people who live there aren't citizens. The majority, like, uh,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: in the UAE, I think like 90% of the population
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: are guest workers who don't have any rights. And then
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: a small portion of the population who are citizens who
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: still aren't voting, but have at least the rights of,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: of citizenship. And I think they're trying to distract, they're
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: using these things like, um, the World Cup or this
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: festival to sort of like make people not focus on
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: the civil rights and human rights issues that are going on.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think it will benefit Saudi Arabia that much.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I think they'll, you know, I think music and soccer
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: works better.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of, yeah, a lot of musicians
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: have gone or done private parties for an enormous amount
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: of money or whatever. But yeah, I saw the whole
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: controversy with it. I didn't want to like, be anybody
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that like pointing a finger at like other comedians and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: how they like make their decisions in their life.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: And God knows I have pointed a finger at comedians
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: in past.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Like I, I do think that this is bad, but also,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, if someone said to you half a million
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: dollars for a week, um, and, but you would be
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: going to a country where bad things happen.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I can honestly say I don't know
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: that I'd say yes. Yeah. because I don't want for
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: anything really, honestly, I'm in a good place. So I
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: do feel like there, you know, I just would have to,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: but what would probably would have convinced me is my
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: rep being like, and all these other people are going
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and you're going to be traveling with your friends. And like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: almost like there's, there is safety in numbers. You're not
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the only one that's stepping out of the box and,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and doing something. And that's why I think so many
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: of them did it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: But there's also, it was a bunch of dudes. It
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: was a bunch of dudes. And it was like, the
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: thing that was noteworthy about Jessica Carson is that she
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: was a woman and queer and Jewish. And the thing is,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: is like both of you and I have to understand
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that going to a country that like very notably is
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: terrible to women and gay guys is impacts our audience
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: you know and like is like you yeah you know
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: like you could like alienate the the people the voices
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: that you're trying to i agree elevate and speak to
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: by doing something like i.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Think also what jessica said was i thought i was
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: gonna you know i thought by going i'm showing people
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: yeah that a woman can live and think like me
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and and all these things And also these people are
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: living there and they deserve to be entertained and have
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: live comedy. Like I'm saying, I think there was a
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: lot of thought where everybody's doing it, go. And then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: once they were committed to doing it, then they had
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: to like sit with their team and be like, okay,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: either I'm never going to respond to this. And I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: just going to be funny and they'll be on to
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: something else or some conspiracy theory or something to yell
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: about on their keyboards a week from now. Or I
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: am going to do like what Jessica did and actually go, okay,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I probably, I shouldn't have done this. And I'm going
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to make good because I appreciate my million Instagram followers
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and I appreciate where I was. Like from five years
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: ago to where she is today, she's like done amazing.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Well, the other thing is, is like, Most stand-up comedians
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: could not find Saudi Arabia on a map, let alone
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: tell you what the political system is there or what's
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: going on. Pete Davidson is not thinking about human rights
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: issues in Saudi Arabia. I don't say that to excuse him.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I just say I understand that timeline makes sense to
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: me of it not being until someone explained it to
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: them that they thought about it. But I also think
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: there were a lot of people who have been quote-unquote
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: canceled who were going to it, and I think they
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: are people with chips on their shoulder.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Cancelled prior, you mean?
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Cancelled prior. Louis C.K. And Aziz Ansari was not like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: he didn't do something.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Aziz Ansari was... On the scale of being a bad,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: horrible douche.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, he was a bad date.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Harvey Weinstein at the top, Louis in the middle, like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Aziz to my... Yeah, he had bad bedside manner. He, like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: got his BJ and, like, wasn't nice to the girl after, whatever.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, but that whole thing... But it did, it
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: affected his career at that time. Yeah, he was on
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: a rise and it took a big dip.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, and, I mean... I don't say this to excuse...
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: None of this excuses them at all. I would like
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: to hope that I would have the strength not to
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: But it's very easy to be a whore. You know?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: It's very easy to... Yeah. I mean, the only time
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: that I had anything like this was there was a
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Catholic college in Erie, Pennsylvania that asked me to come.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: And I was one of the first gay comics who
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: got booked at Catholic colleges. Because Loyola and... University of
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: San Francisco booked me and then other places would. But
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: this school asked me to not say anything supportive of
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: gay marriage. And so the question was like, do I
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: go there and I break the rules? Do I go
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: there and play ball or do I not go there?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: And I chose to not go there. What would have
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: been cool is if one of these guys who rants
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: about free speech all the time had gone there and
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: questioned the monarchy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Of Saudi Arabia. Yeah, but then if you do that,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: you could be in danger.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: So why do it? So don't go then. Either you're
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: going to not go or you're going to go and
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: play by the rules and come home safe and maybe
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: never do it again. But, like, yeah, you're not going
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: to fuck around with something scary.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: But I thought that they were big, bold, strong men
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: who challenge ideas, you know?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the hypocrisy of it all. And that's what
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, listen— 95% of Hollywood will do hypocritical things
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: in their career. Yes. That's that. And so you shouldn't
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: put them at a higher standard in any way. Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Especially a comedian. I kind of wonder the few comedians
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: that did point fingers and really go after Marc Maron.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I love that Atsuko put out there what the actual
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: restrictions on speech were.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: And I think she's strong and super successful, but I
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: wonder if... Uh-huh. Like now, and I think that she
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: did the right thing, but my thing is like, yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: people may not want to fuck with her in a
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: good or a bad way. They might just be so
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: embarrassed that they're like, let's say one of those guys
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: has a show coming up, a sitcom in the next
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: year and a half. And they're like, oh, and then
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: we should have a, you know, like a crazy assistant.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And someone brings her name up and they're like, um,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: maybe not. And they won't say why, but it's just
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: because they know that she was in the right and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: they're a little embarrassed about this. And so I'm saying
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: that's why her bravery should even be more commended.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Because when you do speak about other people, whether they're
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: producers or other comedians, people will maybe not want to
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: work with you.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: But it is also neat how the industry has changed. Like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Atsuka Okatsuka is doing fine. Like, she makes her own business.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Much in the way that you do.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And, like... Still, but an opportunity... It only takes one
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: person to say no. And I'm just saying there might
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: be things that she'll never even be aware that she
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: was up for because that person is like, I just,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I'm too embarrassed to look this girl in the eye,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: you know? And so that's the thing I think people
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: don't think about. Like, but so we'll see what happens.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: He is getting his tats removed. Okay. Okay. Now let's
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: talk about Nicole Kidman. So she got new bangs. This
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: is just a wig, people. She wears wigs all the time.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: But they said the bangs, I mean, she's gorgeous. She's
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: going through a divorce with Keith Urban. And they compared it,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: page six, compared it to the revenge dress of Princess
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Di that people always talk about. What do you think
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: about this divorce and her bangs? Are bangs a good idea?
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, she's Nicole Kidman. She can pull off anything.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, she looks great there. There are
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: sometimes women, I think, who are using bangs defensively to
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: hide and shroud certain things. I don't think she is
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: doing that at all. I am just so excited for
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Nicole Kidman. Will this be her third marriage, fourth marriage?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I want to say maybe there was like a short
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: marriage before Tom and then there was this one. But listen.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I want her to have a palate cleanser marriage to
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: just like. responsible france gynecologist or like maybe an agent
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: but i don't even think i don't even think an
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: agent i would like her to have did you watch
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: the documentary uh about rita moreno no uh it's so
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: good okay and she talks about being in love with
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: uh marlon brando and getting pregnant by him and him
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: making her terminate the pregnancy it's so juicy But she
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: basically is like, and then I married a doctor and
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I stayed with him for 30 years until his death.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Was I ever really in love with him? I don't know.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I may be like misphrasing it, but still, I would
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: love Nicole Kidman to have that like nice, supportive, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: either a Salma Hayek style billionaire who just will take
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: care of her forever like Padma had, or just like
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: the nice doctor who will just be there and be
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: supportive of her for the next seven years.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to ever get married again.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think she needs to. And she'll have like
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a young hot guy and she'll have her fun and
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: she'll keep doing her movies.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Would you like to hear my hilarious joke on this, Tom?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Do you think this will inspire her to reconnect with
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: her children from Tom Cruise?
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: No.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Yes. I mean, it's the way that she behaves as
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: though those children don't exist is hilarious.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Well, what I have read in the past is that
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: she tried very hard to have a relationship with them.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: And because they were- Scientology. Adopted to.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And there was always some weirdness because I believe she
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: did carry her daughters with him. So it was always
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: kind of like, whose issue was it of why they
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: went the adoption route?
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: And I feel like in escaping Scientology, that was just
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: all part of it. And I think it was very
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: probably sad for her. But at the same time, I
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: know people maybe don't want to hear this, but I
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: think maybe because- They weren't her biological children. And then
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: she moved on. Just like a man, okay? How many
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: times in the history of the world has a man...
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: gotten divorced and moved on and the first family is like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and then we never saw him again and he had
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: a whole new family and he just moved on and
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: like had other kids. So it's like, I think the
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: fact that she didn't carry those children And it was
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: just so scary and icky. But I do believe she
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: had tried, and then because they were part of Scientology,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: she was seen as a suppressive person, and they did
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: not see her. And I want to say there might
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: have been an article recently in the last couple years
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: where maybe she did meet with the daughter or something.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: What do you think she wants at this point in time?
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: She's got her Oscar.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I think she just is like, yeah, I don't
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: think she wants him anymore, especially if he's moved on
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to somebody else.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And I think that she loves to work and like, yeah,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: she's just going to keep wearing wigs and being a
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: rich character. A character who's a rich lady.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Doing limited series where somebody gets murdered.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And just, and always rich and always wearing like
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: a really nice cashmere sweater and being cold and just, oh.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Loving it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: That's what we got for her. This is a story
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: that I'm always obsessed with. So Selena Gomez got married.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And she had a kidney donor many years ago named
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Francia Reza. And at the time they were best friends.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: And I years ago saw that she was on the
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: cover of magazine Selena Gomez saying, this is my best friend. Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: And I went on Juicy Scoop and I was like,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: what about the best friend that gave you the kidney?
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: I got all the Selena Gomez bots coming after me,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: you know, and it did kind of keep me from
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: talking about it again, but now I don't care. And anyway,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Selena had her wedding. It was, you know, it wasn't
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: a 12 person wedding. It was a significant wedding. The
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: kidney donor was not invited. And she said something recently like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, I'm sure she's very happy that She's
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: a billionaire. She got married. She's fine. I'm happy I
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: could save her life.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Which, I mean, listen, I think it is a weird
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: position to be in when you get a kidney from
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: your best friend and then you don't. you're not in
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: touch and you don't really want her at your wedding.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: And I think you didn't want her at your wedding
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. One, you haven't been that
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: good of a friend since you got the kidney. Two,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: she one time made a statement that she didn't appreciate
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Selena Gomez smoking with her kidney. And then third is,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: She doesn't want to probably remind people at the wedding
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: that at one time she was sick enough that she
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: needed a kidney.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: That aspect of Selena Gomez's story is really incredible and amazing.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: That you had somebody having this ridiculously amazing career from
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: such an early age while going through this very severe
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: medical situation. The little girl from Modern Family also, like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, how do you manage all of that?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: And, like.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I understand life moving along. You know, it is hard.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: But I have to imagine, like, look, if you're a
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: kidney donor girl, you know if you're ever in a
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: real scrape, you are allowed to call Selena Gomez and
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: ask her for a big favor. Because Selena Gomez cannot
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: have there be news articles about how she is ungrateful anymore.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: To the girl who saved her life.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Do you think there was a big payment? Or there's payment, like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: on occasion?
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if there was. And, like, you're...
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know. You should always be grateful for something
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: like that. But I also understand life moving along.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I guess when you do these things, you go through, like,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: a psychological testing.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Where they very much are like, you... don't have a
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: hold on this person for the rest of your life
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, that's why it's, you know, always
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: so beautiful when like, you know, someone's child unfortunately dies and,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: and they donate their body parts. And then the mom
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: gets to like hug this other woman's son who has
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: the heart. That's different because your child has passed. This
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: is a very weird, I always remember George Lopez, his
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: wife of many years gave him the kidney and then
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: he divorced her.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, That's way worse than not inviting her to
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: your wedding, you know?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, short of my children, I
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: think it would be a very hard thing for me
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: to– I would have to really look at this and say,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: there's a good chance I'm going to open my Instagram
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: and see you and my five best friends and my
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: kidney on a yacht and I wasn't invited. Right. I
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: would have to tell myself that. And then what if
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: somebody else needs my kidney? Too bad. I already gave
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it to the girl on the yacht that didn't invite
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: me to her party. You have to think about these things.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: It's real. Yes.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah. Friendships don't last forever. But if I was Selena,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I know it's your biggest day. I would, I think
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I would have extended the invitation and let her decline.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: And then she could have said, I was invited. I
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: was out of town. Like sometimes you just want, I
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: always think about things of like, I have a saying,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you know, like what would Jesus do? I have one,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: what would Kris Jenner do? And I believe Kris Jenner
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: wants to walk around this earth where if someone says
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: something like, oh, have you talked to Kris Jenner lately?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: You could say, No, but last time I texted her,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: she sent back three dancing lady emojis.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: And a heart.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: And you cannot say a bad thing. So it's like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: if I was her, I would have done it. And just,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: if she came, she came. And if she didn't.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of tables at a wedding, you know?
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Just like, put her off at one of, put her
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: with cousins.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: And she's not like that recognizable. I know she was
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: an actress too, but it's not like she's that recognizable
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: a face like a Taylor Swift who like gave a
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: speech and stuff. So I don't know, but maybe there
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: was more history or it's just, I don't have to
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: invite her. I, I give her, you know, a million
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: dollars a year.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: And that's our agreement. And she doesn't talk shit about me.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And she also doesn't come to my wedding and we'll
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: never know.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I hope that's the case.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, then I think that'd be, I think that
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: she'd be like, good. I don't want to go to
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: your fucking wedding. Just don't have your payment late. Um, well,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: this is very sad. So Denise Richards, as you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: is divorcing her second husband, Aaron, and he is a
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: nightmare and a lot has come out. They were actually
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: in court because she got a temporary restraining order in
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: July and she is in court testifying to get a
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: permanent one, which would be for five years, from him
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: and she is claiming severe physical abuse. And his cousin
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: testified on her behalf saying that she did witness such things.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Where it's like, you know, hitting her in the head,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: all these things. She was getting a, um, redoing her
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: breasts or whatever. And while she was recovering in the
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: hospital room, he got physical with her. Then there's, you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: black eyes. There's many occasions like choking many occasions that
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: she's testifying to. He is saying it's all not true.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And that he's going to bring Brandy Glanville on and
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen to prove his point that she makes up
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: stories and lies because When he said while he was
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: walking to court, he goes, I walked into our laundry
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: room and saw Brandi Glanville and Denise Richards fooling around.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: And on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Brandi said, we
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: had a rendezvous in Canada while she was filming a movie.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: And she I thought they had an open marriage. And
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: she told me if Aaron ever found out, he'd kill me. Well,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: that to me makes me believe Denise. And also, if
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: he saw them hooking up five years ago and he
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: was so angry and against it, why did he stay
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: married for another five years? Why didn't he like end
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the marriage then? Because he depended on her financially. And
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: he was denied spousal support. He was asking for $ 150, 000
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: right now. He said, I need $ 150, 000 from our joint
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: accounts that she has cut him out of or whatever.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe they weren't joint accounts.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: And that money that she has is mostly from her
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: divorce from Charlie, right?
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: She's very successful OnlyFans and she does a lot of
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: TV and brand deals.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah. So he did not get the support.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I don't, as of yet, I don't know if the
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: judge has granted the permanent restraining order. I would think
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: that she would get it. She's trying to get him
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: and his family of his parents and his brother finally
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: moved out of her property or the one that she
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: was on the lease for. It is a nightmare. And
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: then Charlie Sheen, who when they got divorced in her
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: divorce papers, it was Yeah. And they even touch on it,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I think, though she was supportive in his doc about it.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: So anyway, he was doing an interview with, who was
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: the guy from California? David Duchovny had some live show
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: and he was interviewing him, Charlie. And he goes, do
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: you have any regrets? And he's like, tattoos. I wish
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I hadn't gotten all these tattoos. Not tattoos. You know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: who you were with or how you were as a
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: parent or a son or a co-star or who you
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: may have contracted HIV from or gave or whatever that
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: allegedly is. There's just tattoos.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a kook. Like, expecting him to have
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: any perspective on his own life is ridiculous. You know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: like Denise is a big personality. It's why she's so
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: good on the show. Like she's almost too honest for
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: a real housewife show. Like her not suffering of bullshit
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: is amazing. Like somebody like, being like withholding about information
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: about a same sex relationship that they had while they
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: were married to somebody else. We've all seen hunting wives,
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: you know, like that.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: But I truly believe the only reason that she was
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: like that was because of him, because I think, you know,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: she's a sex symbol and, you know, she was married
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: to Charlie Sheen. Like, I don't think it would have— I
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: really think she was terrified. I mean, there was a
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: scene where she's like, remember we're mic'd, and he goes,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to squeeze your hand so fucking hard. Like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: there's literally— and I think then she— I mean, she told me,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: because I saw her, and she's so sweet, and she's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: so grateful of all the support that she's gotten.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: And she's like, I— my divorce from Charlie was so
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: awful that I was like, well, I'll never get divorced again.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: And that's another reason why she stayed. Also, it's so
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: embarrassing and You're stuck in this thing. And I just,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I just feel so badly for her. And he's like,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, a grifter. Like he was, you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: with Nicolette Sheridan before. At one point he was with
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: this famous soap actress from Young and Restless prior to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Nicolette Sheridan or in between. He was just going up
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: and down, you know, Malibu looking for like rich women.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: He is the worst.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean, that's terrible. And also once you
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: have opened up your life just by being Denise Richards
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: and then being on a Real Housewives show, you understand
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: that separating from somebody is going to involve all of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: this stuff coming out. And people, you know, people in
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: comments are cruel and people feel so comfortable questioning fundamental things.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Like when you say he hit me.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's hard. So, um, Okay,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I just want to remind everybody, November 14th, I will
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: be at BravoCon weekend at the MGM Grand.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: So you need to go get your tickets. HeatherMcDonald.net. That's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: also where you join Patreon. We're almost sold out.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Can I plug?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Yes. What do you got?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: October 20th, I will be at Club Fugazi in San Francisco,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: at the Throckmorton on the 21st in Mill Valley, and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: then in Portland on the 23rd and Seattle at the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Hereafter on the 24th. All of that is on all
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: of my social links on all of my socials and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: on GuyBrandom.com. It's me doing my solo.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: We're not done with my show yet.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: It's me doing my solo show. But I'm plugging. I'm plugging.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: We can plug in the middle. Okay, sorry. No, it's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: all good. I just happen to have come, but I'm glad.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just letting people know. Don't turn us off because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: we've got more to talk about. Real Housewives of Miami
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: star Alexia Napola's ex-husband Todd has filed a $ 10 million
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: defamation lawsuit against Bravo. He did a long 10-minute video
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: talking about to the camera like two months ago saying
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: how furious he was of how he was portrayed and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: that he feels they portrayed him like he was going
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: broke when he wasn't just because he rented a luxury
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: apartment and didn't own it and there were narratives that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: were untrue that the other cast members were saying and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: therefore his reputation has been suffered to the tune of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: 11 million dollars because it's like 10 million is for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: one thing and 1 million is for another and What
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: do you think of a lawsuit like this?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: It's really interesting because saying someone is bad at their
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: job is one of the like legally one of the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: four things that is severe, like saying that they have
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: a venereal disease or saying that they have committed a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: crime is one of the things that's I think called
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: slander per se. It makes it sort of like a
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: more severe kind of defamation. But the question of what
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: is opinion and what is a declaration of fact is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: on a reality show is so weird because like if
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: a reality show shows you a person, um, saying a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: fact about someone else, are they republishing what that person
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: is saying? Are they endorsing it? Or are they just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: showing it to you as their opinion? Because you can't
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: sue someone for definite defamation about an opinion, but you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: can sue them about an assertion of fact. And like,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: it used to be when like only newspapers and stuff
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: were carrying stuff like this, they would be really cautious
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: about repeating something that was someone's assertion of a fact
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: about something like this. But like.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: As someone who watched every episode... I did not walk
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: away thinking Todd is a bad businessman. So I don't know.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: I think you'll have a hard time proving that his
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: business really suffered, but maybe he will say that. But
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't think that. I just thought he didn't like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: being on camera, and that's why they got divorced, and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: she was still in love with him. I thought he
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: seemed like a fine stepdad. I was just like, I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't think what's interesting is like the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: no fan of Bravo is going to some suddenly have
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: sympathy for the ex-husband of a housewife because he's a man.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: And also anything that could take Bravo away from us.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: We are not going to be for that lawsuit.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, he's not going to win. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: think he'll probably he's hoping that they settle with him
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: just to avoid. the lawyer costs that it would take
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: to actually, you know, this will not go to trial.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think they will because the reality reckoning didn't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: go anywhere. There hasn't been any settlement. There's another woman
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: suing for $ 20 million. There's several lawsuits against Bravo. And
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I would think if they start to settle with one,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: then they're settling with the other. So they have to, like,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: stand high, like, you know, and be like, no, you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: signed these releases. That's that.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, well, and the interesting status– of the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: like husbands is because you're like you are signing releases
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: but you're not getting paid for it your wife is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: or whatever like it is interesting but they still sign
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: the releases.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah well anyway now they're divorced and some people
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: wonder will this hurt her chances of coming back yeah
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: do you think it will.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's doing this i don't think so
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: but do you think it will hurt her chances of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: coming back could he be doing this just as a
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: revenge thing against.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Her I mean, that would really suck. I wonder if
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: she could then sue him for that, but like that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: would really suck if they just want to get rid
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: of her so that no one's reminded of this and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: that no one's, slipping because how how what are you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: supposed to do then go on set and just know
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: and her whole life is like this horrible thing that's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: happening with her ex-husband and people are not supposed to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: mention it but you're supposed to be a girlfriend in
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: a real life scene like of course you're gonna be
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: like oh my god Todd's a dick like he's the worst.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: And the lawyers would be telling them like well you
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: can't talk about him while this thing is going on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: yeah he's like it's always interesting to me when you
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: have ex-husbands who are like exerting control over what can
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: be shown or how much can be shown like when
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: you have.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And she, she, yeah, she said that she goes,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it was so, he was just awful all
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: the time. Like before the last reunion, um, you know, she, right, right.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: As she was about to like walk on, he was like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: you know, hadn't talked to her for two days, putting
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: her in a word in an awful state, being totally
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: unsupportive of it. I mean, that's really awful too. Like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: it's stressful enough that you have to go and fight
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: and like do all this awful stuff. And then to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: just also have your husband, like you better not say
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: this or that, or they better not say this about me.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, I mean, talk about the ultimate
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: of walking on eggshells. Like what a nightmare. Um, also Netflix,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: there's a $ 15 million lawsuit from the, um, for the movie, uh,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: inventing Anna, the, girl that was basically based on her story,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: who was the friend who got stuck with the $ 70, 000
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: credit card bill when they went to Morocco.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: She is suing saying you use my name, my likeness
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: and everything. And I don't like the way I was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: portrayed because you portrayed me as like greedy and which
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: isn't true. And so she's suing now, how does that work?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, like it's, I don't think she has much
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: of a case. Like basically you're there saying it's false light.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: So she's not actively saying that like there was any
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: clear defamation. Like false light just means you, you represented
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: me as being not like I am. Even though there
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: was nothing directly false. And it's like, this is true events.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: Like I, they're pretty open about the fact that it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: is inspired by true events and not a, direct sort
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: of attempt at like documentary reconstruction of what happens. It
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: seems really hard. I mean, it must be hard to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: see people making money off of something that you're involved
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: in that you didn't make money off of.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: But also you were in newsworthy events, you know?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly. Like, I mean, there's a movie out right
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: now called Swiped, which is about the owner and creator
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: of Bumble. Uh-huh. And she didn't have anything to do
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: with that movie.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: And I mean, it's fine. I mean, I think I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: have to watch it, but I mean, I think she
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: comes off really great. It's her story, but the story
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: was out there just like.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Some could do three. Mark Zuckerberg didn't make any money
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: off of the social network.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: People could do three stories, three versions of Long Island Lolita.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And three different people played her.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just, people are going to be, there's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: going to be multiple movies about Karen Reed that she
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: might not have a dollar from. So, I mean, I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: think that's what it, but you know what I want
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: to ask you? this. So this movie came out, you know,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: two years ago. Why does it take like two years
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: to then do the lawsuit? Are you shopping around for lawyers?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Does it take that long to get it together? Or
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: is it like after a year and a half, you're like,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: you know what? That's still pissing me off. I am
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: going to sue.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's some degree of that, but it also
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: is just the statute of limitations tolling. So within two
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: to three years, the statute of limitations would toll where
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: if you did not.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: But why not jump on it two years ago then
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: when it was like hot and in the news?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: She probably didn't get pissed off for a while, I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: would have to imagine. And I also think like finding
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: lawyers and like, I mean, were they trying to sort
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: of like back channel for some money before this? I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, asking for money and then they didn't give the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: money and then they have to.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Yes. But I mean, it's not as though she's like,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: that directly aggrieved by you know it was like oh
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: they made me seem not great you know okay um
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: no first we have to talk about my legal issue.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: What oh yes let's talk about your legal.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: Because it is a juicy scoop angle this all just
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: comes down to uh i got on like normally i
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: fly business class but um you know i have there
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: haven't been as many tv jobs and this summer i
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: wanted to do like three things in a row and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: i was like i can do one of these things
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: if i fly business class or i can like fly
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: comfort plus and do all of them and i went
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: to my friend tori's wedding and as i was flying
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: back it was a full flight and i had been
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: placed in a middle seat usually i try to get
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: um uh a window seat because i'm a big guy
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: and i'm trying to stay out of people's way um
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: but i was in a middle seat and there was
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: like an old guy who came down and like first
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: he like hit a woman's hand because she was placing
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: a bag in the overhead compartment near where he was
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: going to sit. And he had decided that that was
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: his territory and she wasn't allowed to do that. So
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: they had like a full altercation beforehand. And then he
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: sat down and he was like, could you scoot over?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I can't, you know, I was there.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I was in between the two armrests. I had buckled
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: my seatbelt without a belt extender. I was fine. And
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: he was like, can you scoot over? And I was like,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: actually I can't. And then, He just leaned over and
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: elbowed me as hard as he could. And I told
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: the flight attendants and he got mad and he was
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: a million miler. And so he, I believe, was texting
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: someone from Delta and then a Delta customer service agent
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: showed up and they started evaluating the situation as, oh,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: this person has to sit next to a fat person
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: And in no way, like they pulled him aside and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: they talked to him, but they in no way were like,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: so someone hit you, what happened? And when the, all
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: they did was because I had taken a video of it,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: I posted it on Instagram, but all that the official
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Delta representative did was ask me if I would delete
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: the video. And like at that moment, the people around me,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: like there were a gay couple behind me and like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: a woman across the aisle who just sort of like
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: popped up and were like, no, that guy hit him.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: he hit another woman. He is the problem. And like,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: they just moved him to the other side of the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: aisle and had him switch and like, uh, gave a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: woman miles because she had to sit next to me.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: She was very, very lovely because I was, you know,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: crying into my eye mask, just sort of like humiliated
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: and uncomfortable with the whole situation. But, uh, like after,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: like later one of the flight attendants came up and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: like showed me a message on their phone that was like,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: we asked to have this guy removed from the flight
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: and we told her that he had hit you and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: he was the problem. And she overruled us. And as
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: I was leaving that member of the flight crew was like,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: you have to talk about this next time you're on
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop. And the two things that like.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the flight attendant from Delta. That's a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Juicy Scooper.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Like the two things were like, after I like pulled
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: my eye mask off and realizing... of the people who
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: had like hopped up to defend me, like of the six,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: four of them were watching The Devil Wears Prada. And
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: having a person say like, I am a juicy scooper.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: I was here for you. It was just a moment
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: of realizing like women and queer people and people who
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: didn't always have full access to our voices. So many
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: cultural things have reminded us that we do have the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: right to push back and, you know, not be hit.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: And it is very frustrating to me that so much
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: of the discourse around this is like, oh, that guy's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: too fat. He needs to buy two seats. The thing is,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of people don't realize that if you buy
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: two seats on a full flight, they'll still just give
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: it away. Like, there's not a good system for handling
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: fat people on flights. And just having it be waiting
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: until somebody decides to point at me and call me
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: fat to try to deal with it is not good.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: But also, you shouldn't fucking hit people, you know?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: That's just beyond shocking. Like, I just am like, wow.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, what.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: People are losing their minds. Suck it up. Travel is
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: hard for everybody. And yeah, babies cry.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: And I mean, love to the moms that are like,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: I make treats for everybody to say, no, just fucking
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: deal with it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Bring your earplugs, bring your eye mask, whatever it is.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: But that's life. It's disgusting.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was... I think he had had a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: couple of drinks and he was a million miler who
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: I believe was pissed off that he had not gotten
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: upgraded further than Comfort Plus. And like, sure. But like
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: he walked in there ready to be in a fight.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And it was just really upsetting that, you know,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: like once I landed in L.A. and reported it to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: the gate agent, the Delta people were like, they were
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: supposed to just get the police there. Why did they
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: not get the police there? And, you know, it was
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: really frustrating. Wow.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that you shared your story. Anything you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: want to say about Real Housewives of Salt Lake? Because
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: that was on last night and I made you watch.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: So I've just been starting season one and like, I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: worried that Meredith was queen. Like, she seemed to not
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: be in the episode that much. She like, did her
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: own thing with her caviar place, and then was in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: a conversation at the end. And I was happy when
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: I saw the conversation at the end because I was
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: worried that she was trying to queen bee and be
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: above the fray. And is that an issue and a
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: problem or no? Does Meredith still do her job?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Meredith is great. She just hasn't been featured
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: as much because it's all about Lisa Barlow and her businesses.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, Lisa is an icon. That show is such
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: a forum for cowboy hats and turtlenecks thrills me.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: Really. And they all are great looking. But listen, Bravo
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Snarkside actually screen grabbed the text that went between Lisa
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Barlow and Angie. And Lisa Barlow went after Angie because
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Angie has many salons, three which she owns and the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: other seven she has franchised out. And Lisa Barlow was somehow, like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: trying to pinpoint whatever. They're all pointing fingers at each
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: other as being, like, not as rich and not having
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: as many businesses. And so then she's like, I supported your,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: you know, your son's haircut. whatever gel. And it's in my,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: it's in my salons, but no one's buying it.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: It's a C-list product.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: So then an assistant comes to go pick it up
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: and she goes, this is a C-list product. And then
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: they start going back on the text messages where then
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Lisa texted her and said, 600 Venmo sent. I can
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: send my cleaners to help you too. Because she said
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: it's their collecting dust. And then Angie said, you should
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: probably have sent the $ 600 to other people that are
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: claiming that you owe them money. I didn't say you
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: owed me any money and my salon is not dusty.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: And then Lisa said, well, at least I don't have
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: to borrow money to take vacation. Wait, let me do
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: it Lisa's way. Well, at least I don't have to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: borrow money to take vacations and pay it back. After
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: using a card, I should have been, wait, I should
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: have been up something, but it got cut off. But
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: then I'm sure Angie went back and was like, isn't
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: someone accusing you of owing money on an Amherst card?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: It went back and forth. And it's like, it's pretty fun.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: It's snarky, but it's kind of like, yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like mutually assured destruction. I'm like, wouldn't
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: it benefit these ladies not to do these things? But
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: I guess that's what the show is. I have a question, though.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: The woman who was married to the coach, the party planner,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: is she still on the show?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: She's in jail.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, I didn't realize.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Jen Shaw. Interesting that you asked that. Jen Shah, this
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: is from Sutton Stroller. Catherine Dennis is from Southern Charm.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: She's been off the show for a long time. She
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: struggled with drugs and alcohol. She just got a DUI,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: so she has 25 days in prison. Jen Shah has
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: 326 days left. What is she in jail for? Oh,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: stealing money from old people and doing a whole scheme
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: where they would trick elderly people into thinking that they
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: could have a viable business. Oh, wow. And then telling
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: them they needed more and more and more money and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: then keeping all that money for herself.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: Amazing.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: She's with One Drop Girl, Elizabeth Holmes. They're in prison
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: together hanging out. out. But I just heard from a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: very good source that she could be getting out extremely soon. Okay.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure that she will be asked right back
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: to be on The Housewives.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Peter Thompson has 410 days left. He was the husband
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: of Cynthia Bailey on Real Housewives of Atlanta. And then
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Tom Girardi has 2,566 days left.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: To the extent that there's still a Tom there.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, this has been so fun. Again,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: let's remind everybody to follow Guy Branum. He is really
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: becoming a TikTok and Instagram sensation. He has his great
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: show with many dates and they can go get that again.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, GuyBranum.com or at Guy Branum on Instagram and at
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: Guy Branum Comedy on TikTok.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the info is there. And what a delight.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: And thank you for sharing your awful airline personal story
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: with us and giving all your insights.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: But thank you for creating an army of people who
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: are out there to, you know, be full of the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: light and love that you foster in this community.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I love it. And I love my Juicy Scoopers. And
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: they really are the best part about what I do
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: because they are like-minded, lovely, intelligent, caring people. And funny.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Because I like funny people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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