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A Thief's Desperate Request · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 2: Somewhere in the bowels of the City that Never sleeps.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Salem Media.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, welcome in Kevin mckella, That Kevin Show. Thrilled to
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  Speaker 2: have you with us. And as this very special week
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  Speaker 2: denotes on my calendar, these days are extremely special to me.
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  Speaker 2: This year, kind of coinciding with Holy Week, we have
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  Speaker 2: spring breaks, so the kids are home and you know,
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  Speaker 2: trying to be more family busy, but but Jesus focused.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be. It's gonna be a fun week,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you're here to share it with us.
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  Speaker 2: I did not expect this last night. Uh little self confession.
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  Speaker 2: Those of you that have listened to me on the
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  Speaker 2: weekends for a long time have known a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about this. But I am kind of an American idol geek.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Don't judge me. It's it's a it's a very my
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  Speaker 2: My lovely bride is rolling her eyes right now. She's Uh,
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  Speaker 2: that just can't be, she says, in her way of thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Uh, my daughter loves to sing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: part of music groups. I serve on Worship Team tea collective.
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  Speaker 2: Is my People, the Dream and Color Orchestra of my People.
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  Speaker 2: I commiserate with past Grammy nominees who did not win
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  Speaker 2: the award, and I have celebrated with Grammy winners who have.
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  Speaker 2: I ran the biggest music network in Christian inspirational radio
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  Speaker 2: when I was at Moody Broadcasting for a few years.
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  Speaker 2: So there's there's just a lot of I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: there's just a lot of music in my blood. I
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  Speaker 2: just love the music. So American Idol I've always kind
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  Speaker 2: of thought it was kind of interesting to see the stories.
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  Speaker 2: It's really a TV show about these people. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a hit making show. But there have been some that
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  Speaker 2: have broken out. Carrie Underwood an example of that. But
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  Speaker 2: something unusual happened last night when my daughter and I
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  Speaker 2: sat down to watch this, and we have to sit
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  Speaker 2: down and watch it with my lovely bride just belligerently
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  Speaker 2: commentating throughout the whole thing, while my daughter and I
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  Speaker 2: are trying to hear the performances and cast our votes
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  Speaker 2: for the people that we think did well. And something
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  Speaker 2: unusual happened last night. It wasn't subtle or coded, and
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  Speaker 2: wasn't softened for broader appeal. They called it American Idol's
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  Speaker 2: Night of Faith, and millions of Americans didn't just hear
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  Speaker 2: the voices of the contestants. They heard the gospel out loud, unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: In a cultural moment where belief is often pushed to
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  Speaker 2: the margins, it was front and Center last night, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was accidental. Contestants chose songs that
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  Speaker 2: have carried truth for a long time. Carrie Underwood closed
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  Speaker 2: the show with a performance of How Great Thou Art
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  Speaker 2: with singers from last year's cast. And this is the
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  Speaker 2: thing when you have someone stand up and sing Hallylujah
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  Speaker 2: from Brandon Lake, when you have someone singing what else?
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  Speaker 1: What else?
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  Speaker 2: Was one of the songs. And then the one that
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  Speaker 2: I voted for is a girl named Hannah Harper who's
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  Speaker 2: kind of an Appalachian musician. She kind of does folk
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  Speaker 2: and country music. Her her family are all musicians. So
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  Speaker 2: when they did her backstore, you know her brother and
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  Speaker 2: father and everybody plays an instrument. She plays an instrument.
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  Speaker 2: And she did a song last night that talked about
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  Speaker 2: the Cross and being at the Cross and inviting people
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  Speaker 2: to come to the Cross. And after she got her
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  Speaker 2: critique from the judges, I'll say a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: that for a second. I think that Lionel Ritchie and
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  Speaker 2: Carrie Underwood and Luke Bryan all have on some level
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  Speaker 2: a relationship with Jesus. I don't know the depth of it,
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  Speaker 2: but they all speak about prayer. They all speak about church.
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  Speaker 2: They all speak about knowing the Lord. The evening opened
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  Speaker 2: with Luke and Lionel doing a duet from Lionel's past
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  Speaker 2: called Jesus is Lord, So I mean, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: then Carrie seeings how great that are. Now I've known
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  Speaker 2: about Carrie for a while because I think she grew
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  Speaker 2: up in the church, and I think the church that
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  Speaker 2: she attends, and I believe she lives in the Nashville area.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the church that she attends, actually she
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  Speaker 2: sometimes is part of the worship team. And there were
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  Speaker 2: kids that did Night of Faith songs that weren't faith
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  Speaker 2: like someone did John Lennon's imagine that is not a
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  Speaker 2: faith song. That is not a Jesus song. There's no God.
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  Speaker 2: That imagine. If there's a heaven, I imagine there's no heaven. Rather,
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  Speaker 2: it's easy if you try. I don't think John Lennon
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  Speaker 2: was talking about the biblical understanding of scripture. But last
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  Speaker 2: night there were a lot of contestants that when others
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  Speaker 2: were singing the worship songs, they were standing with their
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  Speaker 2: hands raised to Heaven singing as well, and it kind
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  Speaker 2: of turned into a worship service. Now, I don't expect
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  Speaker 2: that that's gonna happen another time this season. I know
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  Speaker 2: it won't. They have these theme nights that just happened
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  Speaker 2: to be last nights, but it happened to be last
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  Speaker 2: night's on Holy Week, which I've found interesting. I know
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  Speaker 2: that ABC see programming heads are sitting in the executive suites,
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  Speaker 2: and they've had the opportunity in the past to do
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  Speaker 2: this before on Holy Week and they've declined. But I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of the kids that end up auditioning
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  Speaker 2: for this show happened to come from faith backgrounds. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of them serve in the church, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that when you have the obvious substance of that in
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  Speaker 2: people's lives, I think that the culture has to notice.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's something that they have to take into consideration.
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  Speaker 2: And several I believe, of those that are there this
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  Speaker 2: year lead worship in their church. Came to music through
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  Speaker 2: their relationship with God. And there they were to's hanging
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  Speaker 2: off the stage. Well kindle, I think is their name
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  Speaker 2: saying nothing but the blood of Jesus, What can wash
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  Speaker 2: away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. She
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  Speaker 2: did the whole song. It was incredible. The gospel was
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  Speaker 2: shared publicly last night on one of the most popular
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  Speaker 2: primetime television shows that's out there, and I know it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have the audience it used to. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to say anything that it does, but I was encouraged
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  Speaker 2: by that. That lifted my heart a little bit that
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  Speaker 2: this corner of pop culture where to be honest, you've
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  Speaker 2: had some confused people come through and the Adam Lambert
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  Speaker 2: was on Idol. There's people that have been on Idol
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  Speaker 2: that end up in jail or had people get killed
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  Speaker 2: in their family. I mean, Jennifer Hudson's had a really
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  Speaker 2: hard life since she was on the show. She's also
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  Speaker 2: had a very inspiring life. She won an oscar, but
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  Speaker 2: to me, it seems and then it came down to
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  Speaker 2: Hannah Harper went very late in the show and when
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  Speaker 2: all the joe had said all the things they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to to her, she said this, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: was lost by most of the national audience, but she said,
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  Speaker 2: when you have an opportunity to present the invitation such
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  Speaker 2: as this, you have to take it. And that just
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  Speaker 2: stabbed me right through the heart. How many of us,
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  Speaker 2: day in and day out, take the opportunity on a
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  Speaker 2: less intimidating stage to give the invitation. The cross is uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: A horrendous price was paid for you and me because
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  Speaker 2: of it. But good on Hannah Harper last night for
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  Speaker 2: using her three minutes to not only sing at the Cross,
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  Speaker 2: but to invite people to come to it made me
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  Speaker 2: kind of happen. Gavin mccallach coming back, asking how.
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  Speaker 1: Do we look here?
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  Speaker 6: He is from New York that Kevin Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Kevin McCullough. Glad to have you
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  Speaker 2: with us. It's a busy week. In some ways it
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  Speaker 2: is refreshing in others. Kids are off on spring break
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  Speaker 2: for our family this week, and of course Holy Week
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  Speaker 2: coinciding with that, it becomes a kind of a logistical
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  Speaker 2: thing of how we're going to do things differently and
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  Speaker 2: some outings and some other things. But glad to be
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  Speaker 2: with you regardless, and I want to ask you the
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  Speaker 2: quick question, have you gotten your watch kit for this
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  Speaker 2: week through all of Holy weekend? It makes a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sense to get your watch kit where you will
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  Speaker 2: get the trailer, the link for the full length film,
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  Speaker 2: and the study questions for Heaven. How I got here?
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  Speaker 2: The story of the Thief on the Cross, and just
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  Speaker 2: plan on not only watching it for yourself, but inviting
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  Speaker 2: a friend to watch this film with you and to
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  Speaker 2: have maybe some substantive conversation about what it means to
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  Speaker 2: really understand and follow Jesus in the way that he
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  Speaker 2: himself reveals in this story. Yesterday we looked at the
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  Speaker 2: Thief in this segment of the show where we asked
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  Speaker 2: the question how do we live? Because he came to
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  Speaker 2: a realization as he was on the cross that he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in a good spot, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: And because of that realization, today we see a different
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  Speaker 2: aspect of his death, because he is dying, not eventually,
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  Speaker 2: not someday, not down the road, not in theory. Now,
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  Speaker 2: every breath shorter than the last, every second more expensive
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  Speaker 2: than the one before it, the body beginning to shut
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  Speaker 2: down in layers. The lungs are stress, the heart is racing,
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  Speaker 2: the physical strength of trying to lift himself up to
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  Speaker 2: try to take a breath. There is no tomorrow left
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  Speaker 2: to plan for, there's no time to clean things up
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  Speaker 2: or start over now. In this time, there are just moments,
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  Speaker 2: and in those moments, something unthinkable happens. The thief speaks
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  Speaker 2: to Jesus. He and the other guy had spoken to
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  Speaker 2: him already, but he's not speaking to him the way
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  Speaker 2: the other guy is anymore. The other criminal continues to
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  Speaker 2: mock him and spits venom with what little strength he
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  Speaker 2: has left. Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us?
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  Speaker 2: He says. It's desperate and bitter and angry. It's also
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  Speaker 2: revealing because even at the edge of death, one man
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  Speaker 2: is still trying to be in control, still wants terms,
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  Speaker 2: still wants God to prove himself on his conditions. Do
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  Speaker 2: something for me, get me out of this, fix my situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's a demand, and if we're honest, it sounds a
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  Speaker 2: lot like us. How many times have we prayed like that?
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  Speaker 1: God?
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  Speaker 2: If you're real, fix this God, if you care, change
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  Speaker 2: that God, if you're listening, prove it. We don't want transformation,
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  Speaker 2: We want escape. We don't want surrender. We want relief.
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  Speaker 2: But the second thief, the one who has already admitted
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  Speaker 2: his guilt, he sees something the other man missed, and
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  Speaker 2: with what little strength he has left, he turns and
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  Speaker 2: rebulds the other man. Don't you fear God, he says,
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  Speaker 2: since you are under the same sentence, in other words,
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  Speaker 2: do you not see what's happening here? Do you not
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  Speaker 2: understand who you're talking to? And then the thief does
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  Speaker 2: something that changes everything. He turns his head towards Jesus
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  Speaker 2: and he asks a question. No, not a question, He
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  Speaker 2: makes a plea Luke twenty three, verse forty two, puts it, Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: remember me when you come into your kingdom. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: No speech, no polished prayer, no list of promises about
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  Speaker 2: how he'll do better if he gets another chance, because
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  Speaker 2: he knows he's out of chances there is no other chance.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't bargain, he doesn't negotiate, he doesn't try to impress.
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  Speaker 2: He simply asks the man he now believes is the
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  Speaker 2: son of God to be remembered. Do we even understand
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  Speaker 2: how small that sounds? Remember me, not save me, not
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  Speaker 2: heal me, not get me off the cross, just don't
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  Speaker 2: forget me. Because somewhere in his fading consciousness he understands
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  Speaker 2: something profound. If this man truly has a kingdom, then
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  Speaker 2: death is not the end. And if death is not
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  Speaker 2: the end, then this moment is not all there is.
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  Speaker 2: And that realization changes everything, because now the thief isn't
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  Speaker 2: just looking at his suffering, He's looking past it, and
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in his life, there's a little
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  Speaker 2: hope inside of him. It begins to flicker. Not in
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  Speaker 2: himself that's long gone, not in his circumstances those are finished.
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  Speaker 2: Hoping the man that he's being crucified, next to hope
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  Speaker 2: in Jesus. And here's what makes that moment pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 2: He has nothing to offer him, not a no good
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  Speaker 2: works too point two, no track record, no time left
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  Speaker 2: to prove anything. He can't climb down and make relationships right.
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  Speaker 2: He can't repay what he's stolen. He can't even take
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  Speaker 2: us single step toward redemption. All he has left. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing at his disposal is to ask the man
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  Speaker 2: next to him to remember him. And friends, that's where
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  Speaker 2: this gets really uncomfortable, because everything in us resists that
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  Speaker 2: kind of helplessness. We want to contribute, we want to earn,
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  Speaker 2: we want to feel like we've done our part something
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  Speaker 2: to deserve whatever comes next. But the thief shatters that illusion.
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  Speaker 2: But his request is empty of everything except need, And
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly what makes it powerful. Jesus, remember me. It's
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  Speaker 2: not eloquent it's not impressed, but it is real. And
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  Speaker 2: Jesus responds in a way that should shake every assumption
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  Speaker 2: we've ever had about God, in a very profound way,
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  Speaker 2: because he answers him in the next verse, Look twenty
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  Speaker 2: three forty three. Truly, I tell you this is Jesus
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  Speaker 2: speaking to the thief. Today. You will be with me
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  Speaker 2: in paradise today, not someday, not after a process, not
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  Speaker 2: once you've proven yourself. Today. In other words, it's done.
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  Speaker 2: Do you understand what just happened. A man who spent
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  Speaker 2: his entire life in rebellion, A man who admitted he
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  Speaker 2: deserved his punish, a man who had nothing left to give.
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  Speaker 2: We would look at him and say, a rotten scoundrel.
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  Speaker 2: That man has promised eternity in paradise, not because he
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  Speaker 2: earned it, not because he fixed his life, not because
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  Speaker 2: he made up for his past, but because he asked,
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  Speaker 2: because he believed that if he asked, that Jesus had
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  Speaker 2: the power to answer. Because in his final moments, he
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  Speaker 2: placed his hope in the only one who could save him.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. And friends, if that feels too simple, too easy,
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  Speaker 2: to unfair, good, it should, because that's what is offensive
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  Speaker 2: about grace. Grace is something we do not deserve, but
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  Speaker 2: we are given anyway. And it doesn't play by our rules,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't follow our system of earning or deserving
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  Speaker 2: or scorekeeping. It bypass asses all of that. It goes
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  Speaker 2: straight to the heart, which means this. The thief didn't
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  Speaker 2: clean himself up to come to Jesus. He came to
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  Speaker 2: Jesus because he couldn't clean himself up. And neither can you,
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  Speaker 2: and neither can I. We just don't like to admit it.
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  Speaker 2: But the moment you do, the moment you stop negotiating,
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  Speaker 2: stop demanding, stop trying to earn your way in, and
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  Speaker 2: simply say, Jesus, remember me. You are closer than you think,
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  Speaker 2: closer than you've ever been. Because the door to Paradise
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  Speaker 2: doesn't open for the perfect, It opens for the desperate,
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  Speaker 2: and on the cross in his final breath, a dying
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  Speaker 2: thief was desperate enough to find it.
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  Speaker 4: Stick around for more of that.
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  Speaker 6: Kevin. Next here he is from New York. That n
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  Speaker 6: Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Kevin mccallaugh, Glad I had you with us.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for those of you that have been participating
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  Speaker 2: with us to feed hungry children this Holy week, and
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say yesterday again a huge breakthrough
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  Speaker 2: many of you coming to the table and saying, keV,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want those last forty or
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  Speaker 2: so kids to be hungry and to maybe die this
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  Speaker 2: next year because we didn't give them two meals a
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  Speaker 2: day and clean drinking water and friends. I've got some
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  Speaker 2: really good news for you. We only have seventeen names
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  Speaker 2: left on the list of seven hundred and twenty that
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  Speaker 2: we started just a couple of weeks ago trying to feed.
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  Speaker 2: You've fed seven hundred and three children for the next year,
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  Speaker 2: and the clean drinking water and friends. This is where
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  Speaker 2: I get super nervous, and I'm just gonna admit it,
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  Speaker 2: these final seventeen. I don't want this to be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get down to the wire and
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  Speaker 2: be like, did we did we take care of that
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  Speaker 2: very last one. I want us to blow past this
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  Speaker 2: so hard today eight five, five, nine zero, seven, four
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  Speaker 2: six seven three, I just want to hear the good
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  Speaker 2: news that all of the children that we set out
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  Speaker 2: to to feed got fed, and there are seventeen of
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  Speaker 2: them left. Seventy five dollars feeds one of them for
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  Speaker 2: the next year eight five, five, nine, zero, seven, four
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  Speaker 2: six seven three eight five five nine zero seven four
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  Speaker 2: six seven three eight five five nine zero seven four
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  Speaker 2: six seven three Please go, and let's let's let's get
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  Speaker 2: every one of these last remaining children today. And if
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  Speaker 2: you made a gift of thirteen hundred dollars today, friend,
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  Speaker 2: you could, you could take care of all of them.
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  Speaker 2: But what would each child get if you gave the
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  Speaker 2: thirteen hundred dollars, Well, seventeen children will get two meals
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  Speaker 2: a day for the next year. That's twelve thousand, four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ten meals that you'd be giving for thirteen
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Twelve thousand meals almost one hundred meals per
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  Speaker 2: dollar or something like that. Thirteen hundred twelve thousand. I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's ten meals per dollar. But that's incredible. And
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  Speaker 2: then in addition to that that thirteen hundred dollars will
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  Speaker 2: provide clean drinking water for all of them for the
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  Speaker 2: foreseeable future, probably most of the rest of their lives.
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  Speaker 2: These water filtration systems. And I've been there when Food
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  Speaker 2: for the Poor have inaugurated them, after they've been built
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  Speaker 2: other things that are screaming for the top headlines these days,
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  Speaker 2: it's also good to pay attention to the other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And the Supreme Court at a big case last week
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  Speaker 2: with the hearing of should ballots be allowed to be
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  Speaker 2: turned in following election day? And does day mean day?
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  Speaker 2: And all the rest of that. I think that's pretty
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  Speaker 2: clear language. I'm hopeful for a very good review of
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  Speaker 2: that case. But there's another one that is kicking in
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  Speaker 2: that is I think going to be as equally impacting,
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  Speaker 2: and it is called Trump versus Barbara. It is the
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  Speaker 2: birthright citizenship case. And Coullie Stimpson, who's the acting director
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  Speaker 2: Institute for Constitutional Government and he's the manager for National
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Security Law Program and senior legal Fellow, joined us. He's
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: also a former service member, and we thank him for
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  Speaker 2: his service to our country. Cully, thank you for being
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: with us. When it comes to the importance of the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: birthright case. Both sides seem heavily invested in this. Why
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: because that's.
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  Speaker 8: The way litigation goes, and this is high stakes and
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: both sides have compelling arguments. Kevin, remember after the Civil
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: War the reconstruction amendments to the Constitution were passed. The
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: thirteenth Amendment was passed to abolished slavery. And this case
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: is about a clause, the citizenship clause in the fourteenth Amendment.
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  Speaker 8: And remember that that sentence says, all persons born or
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  Speaker 8: naturalized in the United States comma, and subject to the
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  Speaker 8: jurisdiction thereof comma are citizens of the US. And so
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: the arguments tomorrow will focus on and subject to the
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  Speaker 8: jurisdiction thereof clause. And one side says, anyone here is
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  Speaker 8: subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and therefore your entitled the
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  Speaker 8: birth right citizenship. And the opponents, in other words, the government,
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  Speaker 8: say no, no, no, no no. This restores the original public meaning
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  Speaker 8: of the subject of the jurisdiction there of, because we're
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: talking about political affiliation and loyalty to the government, and
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  Speaker 8: this was only meant to apply to the freed slaves
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  Speaker 8: and their children.
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  Speaker 1: And that's crux of the argument.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that fealty to the United States is one of
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  Speaker 2: the problematic issues in the immigration debate on all levels,
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  Speaker 2: because when we see corruption in places like Minnesota going
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  Speaker 2: to large groups of people that have come here under
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  Speaker 2: various suspicious terms, etc. There's always kind of this, well,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: are they really loyal to what America stands for? Do
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  Speaker 2: they adopt an American culture? Do they adopt our way
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  Speaker 2: of life? Do they adopt our worldview? Do they adopt
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  Speaker 2: our ecumenical view towards faith? We let all faiths practice.
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  Speaker 2: What if your faith says know your faith only and
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  Speaker 2: we kill all the infidels? Like, there's so fealty too.
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  Speaker 2: I think American ideas is something that most normal American
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  Speaker 2: citizens would assume that they want immigrants to come into
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  Speaker 2: this country with.
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  Speaker 8: Right, and in fact, in Europe, when they hear that
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  Speaker 8: the United States allows for non citizens who have babies
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  Speaker 8: here to have their kids be a citizen and the kid,
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  Speaker 8: the infant, sponsor their parents for citizenship or lawful permanent residents,
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  Speaker 8: they shake their head like, we don't do that in
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  Speaker 8: this country. And it is a unique concept. It is
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  Speaker 8: one that has evolved over the centuries. Here we're celebrating
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  Speaker 8: our two fiftieth this year. The people who say that
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  Speaker 8: Trump's executive order is unconstitutional and birthright citizenship is baked
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  Speaker 8: into the pie say that, for example, a Supreme Court
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  Speaker 8: case called Wong kim arc say that three times Fast
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  Speaker 8: stood for the proposition that illegal aliens. These were Chinese
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  Speaker 8: immigrants in San Francisco who had a baby. The court
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  Speaker 8: said that that baby was an American citizen. What they
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  Speaker 8: allied over is the fact that those parents actually had
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  Speaker 8: lawful status.
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  Speaker 6: In the United States.
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  Speaker 8: They were not elite in the United States when they
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  Speaker 8: had that baby, and the government points that out in
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  Speaker 8: their brief. The other point, which I think you're alluding to,
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  Speaker 8: is the fact that this creates a magnet. This policy
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  Speaker 8: of recognizing birthright citizenship regardless of your immigration status, creates
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  Speaker 8: a draw towards folks coming to the United States to
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: have babies. We know birth tourism is a real thing,
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: and so the stakes are very high. The one thing
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  Speaker 8: I would point out is when the judge, the district
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  Speaker 8: court judge certified the class of individuals who had standing
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  Speaker 8: to sue, he certified the class and limited to babies
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  Speaker 8: born after February twentieth, twenty twenty five. So if the
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  Speaker 8: court is inclined to agree with the executive order and
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: ban birthright citizenship, my guess is they would say it
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  Speaker 8: applies from babies born after February twenty twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 8: not retrospectively.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and that would open up a whole different
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: can of worms in terms of immigration enforcement and going
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: back and deciphering all that. Cully, You've watched the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court for a long time. Do you think the government
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  Speaker 2: has prepared a strong case here? Do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: that their arguments are sturdy?
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  Speaker 8: I think they're compelling arguments on both sides. I think
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  Speaker 8: the greater weight of the evidence, in terms of practice,
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: history and tradition, is to recognize birthright citizenship. That's what
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  Speaker 8: the government's been doing for most of our country's history.
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  Speaker 8: And when I first heard my colleague here in the
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Legal Center talk about this and then start writing about
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: it in twenty eighteen nineteen, I thought it was sort
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: of a fringe idea, But then she developed some really good.
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  Speaker 1: Scholarship.
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  Speaker 8: Others dug into the Bates in eighteen sixty eight when
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: the fourteenth Amendment was passed. They got into the actual
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  Speaker 8: records of the back and forth between the Senators and
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: the congress men at the time, And so I think
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  Speaker 8: both sides have a compelling argument. I never am in
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  Speaker 8: the business of predicting how the courts come come.
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  Speaker 2: Out well, it's obviously the Supreme Court justices felt it
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: was compelling too, because they agreed to hear it, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: now they are this week. They will be hearing the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: arguments tomorrow and we will follow up on when do
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: we expect the ruling sometime in June July.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they typically saved the blockbusters for the end before
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  Speaker 8: they skidadle out.
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  Speaker 2: Of town, right exactly. All right, Calley Stimpson from the
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  Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation, thank you for all your work.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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• 36:14
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• 36:19
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  Speaker 2: some of the big concepts of what the claims of
• 36:25
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  Speaker 2: the next hour. But as I'm doing this week, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to feature some good Easter hymns and songs as
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  Speaker 2: we go through. Here's the gettys. All my boast in Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: take it with you, reflect on these. It's that Kevin show.
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  Speaker 9: Oh wonders, what love is this? The Christ would dive
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  Speaker 9: for me his goodness, his marry, his righteousness. The siners
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  Speaker 9: only please, oh fool the scrap be crusifac good is fish.
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  Speaker 7: All my posts in Gesus, all my busies love, and
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  Speaker 7: I will go grief it in what the Cross has done,
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: not before getting my dificles with graces and desert.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: Oh mercy that fall down, not say grateful, Let praise return.
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  Speaker 6: Rastle muscle and marastal.
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  Speaker 1: Is homa host is.
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  Speaker 7: In Jaesus o my bus's love, and.
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  Speaker 6: I will glory for it in what the Cross has done.
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  Speaker 2: Looks the one for.
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  Speaker 7: Blest him alone to will boast hing less than the love.
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  Speaker 9: Of christmle.
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  Speaker 7: Prist Fba, bless him a lot for the boast head.
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  Speaker 9: Thingless of cross post noting riches in strangth on my
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  Speaker 9: but in the grace of God our glory in weakness
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  Speaker 9: to live is Christ in plentior in want the man
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  Speaker 9: all may see he is pal.
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  Speaker 1: Me.
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  Speaker 7: All my boast is in Jus.
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  Speaker 1: On my busy head will glory for the cross st.
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  Speaker 9: Nostanously solenis.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and watching.
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  Speaker 7: Beaches Jesus true sees Jesus, trusses Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that is the music of Keith and Christ Getty.
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  Speaker 2: All my boast is in Jesus. So we'll have something
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  Speaker 2: else for you at the end of the next hour.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But we're just turning our thoughts, turning our hearts, turning
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: our reflections to a God is so good, who gave
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: everything so that we could know him and be with him.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: A great hope for all eternity is to know Jesus
• 40:44
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about it in our one today. I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: don't know if you caught the end of American Idol
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  Speaker 10: Had the Cross said the Cross? I Suder my life. Hummy, hummy, geez.
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  Speaker 11: All right, that was that was that was with such
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  Speaker 11: That was so spectacling in terms of you are delivery
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  Speaker 11: everything you have?
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  Speaker 1: All right, love that performance. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean from the beginning you've been one of my
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: absolute favorites. I loved your version of that. I could
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  Speaker 2: feel your heart in it and I was right there
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It was it was just perfection
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  Speaker 1: to me. It wrote me in you.
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  Speaker 5: Everything about that just I totally bought into it heart,
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  Speaker 5: mind and soul.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, just to go where to go? Isulations good job?
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: So you close your.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Shows with that song knowing with a family.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: What was special about the performance of that song?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Here tonight your family is here as well.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: An opportunity to give an invitation on this platform is incredible.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Did you hear what she said? That's Hannah Harper. The invitation,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the ability to give an invitation on a platform of
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: this size is incredible. Her family was standing up worshiping
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the whole time that she was singing. I'm not super
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: familiar with that song. I think I've only heard it
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: a couple of times. But Kevin mccallough glad you're with us.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: That's Hannah Harper. She's a contestant, a current contestant on
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: American Idol. And they had Faith Night last night. They
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: had songs of faith. Lionel Ritchie sang one to open
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the song called Jesus's Love, Luke Bryant sang it with him.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Carrie closed it out singing, how great Thou Art, And
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the majority of the fourteen that moved on to the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: next round, the majority of them saying, actually, prey recognizable
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: gospel centric Christian songs. There was one that's sang John
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Lennon's imagine it's not a faith song. Well maybe the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: faith in completely defunct Marxist worldview, but not a song
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that brings people closer to Jesus. And there were a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: lot that did. A lot that did last night, which
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was encouraging to me because I think somewhere in the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: executive offices of the American Broadcasting Company ABC, someone had
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to sign off on a decision to have a night
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of songs of faith, knowing that Hannah Harper would come
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: out and make it an invitation for people to trust Jesus.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: At least they ran the risk of it. I'm not
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: sure it makes up for any of the Jimmy Kimmel
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: nonsense from the last several years. Letting young people sing
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: about Jesus on the stage to America last night, to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: several million people who were watching, I think is a
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: really good thing, and I'm not going to apologize for it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you think about Idle. You may
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: think it's karaoke, or it's not as good as it
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: used to be, or whatever else. Look on some level,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Luke Bryant, Carrie Underwood, Lionel Ritchie, they've all at some point,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: on some level, to some degree, expressed a belief in Jesus.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if any of them are real or not.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: But if you tell me you love the Jesus of
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the Bible, that you've trusted him, that you're going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: follow him because he paid the ultimate price to rescue
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you from sin and death, I still won't know if
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: it's real or not. I don't have a way of
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: seeing into your heart. I can only take you at
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: your word. But in a day and age in which
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we've had court cases and progressives and for
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: so many years tell us that you can't have faith
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in public life, and there's no there's no room for that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: And all the incredibly hideous material coming out of Hollywood,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: tearing down the family, tearing down God's plan for human sexuality,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: tearing down God's plan for what is normal, for what
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: is just healthy humanity, tearing down God's plan in so
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: many different ways. When somebody decides to do this on
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: this level, we gotta say thank you. Doesn't solve all
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the ills, of all the things, of all the problems.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not looking for it too, but I've been convicted
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  Speaker 2: about this over the last twenty four hours. I watched
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• 47:43
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• 47:45
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• 47:59
  Speaker 2: of my kids. We don't go to sheltered Christian bubble schools.
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• 48:13
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  Speaker 2: those that we live around who don't know him, friends,
• 48:21
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• 49:42
  Speaker 2: who is basically the equivalent of our serial killer terrorists
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: these days, if the worst piece of humanity that could
• 49:50
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• 49:53
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• 49:59
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• 50:16
  Speaker 2: who took your sin on himself for your eternity. Calvin mccallough,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: We've got a big hour straight ahead. Daniel Butterfuco is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: a personal injury and trial lawyer in the New York
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: trist State area. But he's written a book called Unapologetic,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and he knows something about historic Bibles and why all
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: that matters. This week we'll get into straight ahead. It
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: is Calvin mccallough Styhead.
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  Speaker 11: Here.
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  Speaker 6: He is from New York, Kevin Kevin mccolla.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome. It is that Kevin show, that kevinshow
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  Speaker 2: dot com. We don't ever put anything behind the paywall there.
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  Speaker 2: We just want you to have access to it, including
• 51:12
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• 51:14
  Speaker 2: good friend Dan Buttafuco, who, for all the years I
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: was just on in just New York, was a sponsor
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: of my show and a big, big supporter of the
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Christian community and someone who does so while being maybe
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: one of the most prominent trial lawyers in the in
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the country, but especially in the Tri state area. And Dan,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: it's wonderful to have you. Thank you for being here.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin. It's a pleasure to be here.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It's always fun to talk to you. And just for
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: people that are you know, in Poughkeepsie and Seattle and Honolulu.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about what Butterfuco and Associates is.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Well, we are a boutique personal injury law firm which
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I founded in the early nineteen eighties. I've been practicing
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: for over forty years. We handle those serious injury and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: accident and malpractice cases all over the country. We have
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: partner firms and satellite offices in about fifteen states, and
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I just had to handle the case in Alaska. I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: have one pet Presidley in Puerto Rico, and so wherever
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Christians are hurt, if the injury is serious and the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: case has merit, we will represent them and help them.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: We have created to date one hundred and seventy six millionaires,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm pretty happy.
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  Speaker 2: And I just I want to point that out because
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you practice personal injury law in a way that I
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: think has the greatest amount of integrity to it of
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: any personal injury lawyer or firm that I've heard of.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about what sets you
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: guys apart from everybody else.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a great question. You know, when
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: we first started practicing law in the early eighties, it
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: was a real stigma attached to personal injury law practice.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: It was like, Oh, you're suing people, and that's about
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: revenge and that's evil, and the Bible says not to sue, which,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: of course it doesn't. Actually everything I do is firmly
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: rooted and grounded in scripture. Exodus chapter twenty twenty one
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: twenty two talks about getting compensation for personal injuries. It's
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: right there in the Bible. God is a just God,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and he expects people to pay for what they break,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and that's what personal injury law is firmly grounded on.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And so I was sort of, I guess, instrumental in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: breaking down those barriers. You know, I would go into
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: churches and people would look at me like a pariah
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: or I was even possessed of something because I was
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: representing Christians and accident cases and want to explain to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: them that people get hurt and they need representation, and
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it's actually a good thing. I'm fixing lives. I'm mending
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: problems and fixing broken people, getting their lives on track.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Backed are our state, our sort of motto as we
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: help accident victims rebuild their lives. Finally caught on, people realize,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: especially when pastors would get hurt and contact the Hey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: this is not such a bad, bad deal. It's not
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: a bad guy at all. It's a good system. So
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: we we've been instrumental and breaking down those barriers and
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of course, now it's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. You can't throw
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: a rock today without hitting a personal injury lawyer. Most
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of them are very good. Most of them are just
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: sort of capitalizing on the advertising, and it's gotten somewhat
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: out of control. But we were the originals, let's put
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: it that way.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and I will say this. You you spend money
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: out of pocket to help set up the cases so
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: that they win best. So if that means getting a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: better a better medical exam, if it means helping with
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: various things, hospitalizations and the things you guys work, Yeah,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: we've even Yeah, you guys work. You guys work, work, work, work,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: work on the front end of the case, especially if
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the case is strong, so that you know that they're
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna be taken care of. And then when
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: the cases is finished, they're going to be able to
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: be taken care of if people want to. And I
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: don't want to turn this into an infomercial for the
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: law firm, but if people want to be in touch
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: with you from anywhere in the country, what's the phone number?
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: One eight hundred Now, Hurt one eight hundred, easy to remember,
• 55:04
  Speaker 13: now hurt Harry soon put that in your put that
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  Speaker 13: in your cell phone. One eight zero zero, now hurt,
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  Speaker 13: one eight hundred, now hurt.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Just spell it out, all right, Dan, I don't want
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: to talk about law today, though we will still dip
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: into some legal principles on all the stuff that we're
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: going to talk about. Yet, you at some point in
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: your life, after being you know, one of the most successful,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: if not the most successful in New York State. You
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: had the biggest settlement I think a couple of times
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: in New York State history. You did really well. God
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: started working on your heart about using these same skills
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to advance his word, preserve his word, defend his word.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about Dan, butafuco the apologist and the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Bible historian, because I don't think if they haven't heard
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: of your law firm, they certainly haven't heard of that guy.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Well, about twenty five years ago, I had a personal crisis,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, see Lewis said, God whispers in our pleasures,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: but he shouts in our pains. God's pain is God's
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: megaphone to a deaf world. And I like to think
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not very deaf to the spirit. But sometimes God
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: has to use extraordinary means to get our attention. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I went through a really tough time and the upshot
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: of it was that the Lord was dealing with me
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and essentially said to me, and we just try to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: summarize it. You know, stop trying to be rich, and
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: stop trying to be a big shot. Try a lawyer,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: personal injury trial lawyer, and start focusing more on people's problems.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: And if you help people, if you, you know, make
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: an effort to solve people's problems, get their lives back
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: on track, and do good deeds. Basically, our good works
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: follow us once we're saved, and they give us rewards.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: First cour Indians three, you'll not only lay up treasure
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: in heaven, but you'll actually be more successful and you'll
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: be pleasing the Lord. You have been caught before the horse, basically,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: mister butterfu Goo. And I realized, of course, that God
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: was right, and so I made a concerted effort to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: look at every client and every problem differently, and I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: instilled that culture in my office. So now when we
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: see clients, we look at them as victims. We look
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: at them as people that need help. We don't look
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: at them as a paycheck or as a you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: a fee, although many lawyers do that, and I confess
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I once did that, maybe indvertently, but I shouldn't have.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And so now it's a whole different ballgame. So with
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: that in mind, I also started to minister more frequently.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I started to speak more. Started by teaching Sunday school.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Then I started the I went to night classes, got
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: my mask.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: So you went back to school, you went to seminary
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: and started like really digging in.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was instrumental during that time period when I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: was struggling. I went and got my master's degree in theology.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I studied apologetics under some of the most famous apologists,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Christian apologists in the world. Some of them became my clients.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And what I found out as a lawyer that loves
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to argue love. I grew up in a family, an
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Italian family. We'd argue around the kitchen table about nothing,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and then we learn as a lawyer to argue about
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: things that are about money and about injuries. And now
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I like to argue and debate theology and also against atheists.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: So what I have found is that we have excellent arguments,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: excellent evidence, excellent information for not only the existence of God,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: but also for the validity of the Bible, the uneerverancy
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of the scriptures, the correct and proper transmission of the Bible,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the accuracy of the manuscripts, and a whole host of
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: other things which are really hot topics now. So I
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: regularly engage people on Quorra. Cora is a platform where
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you can debate these things. I was just on it
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: before this call, and I haven't open close to nine
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: million views.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Nine million views, and it is the wild West like.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: People come in there from any worldview, any frame of mind,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: any frame of reference, and they just spit it out.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: If you got a computer and you have an attitude,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you have an opinion, you can put it out on
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: our quorra, and I was placed to be. I love
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: correcting them. I love setting them straight. Some people are
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: really stupid, and some people are really intelligent, some people
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: are misled. You get the whole panoply of of opinions
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: on Quora, and so I like to engage them in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: sharp debate, politely and with respect. And because I know
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: people are watching and it's taken hold, I've got for
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: been this popularity. I don't make any money from it,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I don't care, but I feel like I have to
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: write the record when people say things like Jesus never existed,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and that's that's the latest one.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Now, most adias don't even hold that to be true.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Right, even the worst critics of Christianity don't believe that.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: But you know, evil is trying to move us further
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and further away from the truth. You know, one you
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: hear quite a bit is the Bible is a book
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: of fairy tales. It's not written by the people. It's
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: claimed to be written by The Bible, you know, is
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: not factual. It's a claim, it's not evidence. That's a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: good one. I love answering that one because I'm literally
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: an expert and claims and evidence. So when someone says
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the Bible is a claim and not evidence, I just go,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I just totally demolish that. And the Bible says we
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: ought to do that. Paul rights, we ought to demolish arguments.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's second CRITI is ten to five. He
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: said it might be first critis ten five, But either way,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: it says that we are to demolish arguments as strongholds
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and every pretension that exalts itself against the knowledge of
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: God in June chapter three, it says that we are
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: to contend for the faith, which means to fight for
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the faith once and for all and trusted to the saints.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean to beat people up, but it does
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: mean that we have to take on the lies of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the culture and the lives of the pseudo intellectuals, that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: we have to stand up for the truth and it's important.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're speaking with Dan Buttafuco and he's not only
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: an apologist, he's also an author along those lines. Unapologetic
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: is his new book. We'll get into that a little
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: bit as we go along, but just real quickly, when
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: we come back, Dan, I'm going to ask you about
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society. This is not only another passion
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: of yours. It's something that you actually bring to people
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: for kind of an immersive experience. That's the new hot
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: thing in New York.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Everything is immersive. It's got to be immersive. You got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to have a virtual reality, you got to feel it,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: you got to touch it, you got to say you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: know of wild and crazy things. You don't do any
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: of those things. But it is a bit of a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: historical immersive experience in terms of the published Bible and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: it's a really cool thing. We're going to talk about
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: it more when we come back. It's Kevin mccollough's that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Kevin Show, that Kevinshow dot hawk.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 12: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin next here
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 12: he is from New York exactly then, Kevin McCullough.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough. Very glad to have you with us. And
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: if you have not yet gotten your watch kit for
• 1:02:10
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:16
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: story of the Thief on the Cross. We want a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: million people to watch this film, host a discussion about
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: this film and discuss the merits of the story because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: the story of the Thief is really the ultimate gospel message.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: He could not do anything to earn anything, ever, and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: yet he appeared in heaven with Jesus on the same
• 1:02:43
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• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: about Afuco is my guest. He is the founder of
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: about a few Cone Associates law firm here in the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: New York tri state area. They do have satellied offices
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: in all fifty states all across the country. They have
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: helped people and if you would like to know more
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: about personal injury and maybe how they could help you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: eight hundred now HURT one eight hundred and ow hu
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: RT one eight hundred now hurt is where you can go.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: But he's also the author of Unapologetic, which we'll get
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to in a bit. But to Dan, just before we
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: went to break, I teased everybody about this thing called
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society. Now this is a story in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: terms of how it came to be in your life.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: But before we get into the story about happened, what
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: was the reason, what was the interest as to why
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: you even thought something like that was important?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Well, Kevin was, as I said, I had undergone a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: personal crisis in the late nineties and know God was
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: dealing with me, putting my life back on track as
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: he often does. And at the same time, I was
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: also very interested in old things and history antiques, and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I always loved the Bible. So I pad the two
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: hobbies and interests, and so I got involved in antique bibles,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and I got involved in important Bibles and managed to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: get my hands on a first edition King James. Actually
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: started at a medical malpractice seminar I was taking at
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the Waldorf Astoria in the world off a Historia. There
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: was a rare bookshop and I went in there and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I brought a rare Bible. And then the woman says
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: to me, if you like rare bibles, I know where
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: a King James is. So I negotiated a deal with her.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I got a King James, and I brought it to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: my house and I would show it to people like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: show and tell. And I was amazed at the reaction
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: of people Christians when they saw a first edition sixteen
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: to eleven pulpit polio King James. And the thing weighs
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: about thirty pounds, right, you think, right? And it's in
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: perfect it's original condition. Right. So I said, Wow, if
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: this is the kind of reaction I get from this,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: let me see if I can get other you know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: major milestones in the history of the Bible. So just
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  Speaker 1: to make a long story and very complicated story. Short,
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  Speaker 1: I slowly acquired all manner of amazing rare artifacts, including
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  Speaker 1: page from the Gutenberg, a first edition Tindale illustrated, a
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  Speaker 1: Coverdale Bible. I've got the Boston New Testament is only
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  Speaker 1: two in the world. I've got museum quality stuff. And
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: at some point it became too expensive to own it,
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  Speaker 1: and so I created a foundation. Actually a public charity
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: is what it is. And I donated all these books
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  Speaker 1: to this foundation, and we would start going to various
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  Speaker 1: churches and schools and displaying them and getting the same
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  Speaker 1: reaction times one hundred or times a thousand when we'd
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  Speaker 1: go into these places. I did it at a CCC
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  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. I had five thousand people in the audience,
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  Speaker 1: and the response is overwhelming. I do it for high
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  Speaker 1: school kids and they storm the stage. What we do
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  Speaker 1: is we use the Bibles and these artifacts, and I've
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  Speaker 1: got ran manuscripts going back to the tenth century, eleventh century,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and we use these artifacts as eye candy to get
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: people interested. You talked about an immersive experience. We also
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: have a virtual reality exhibition that comes along with it.
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  Speaker 1: And then what that does is it generates questions about
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  Speaker 1: how do we get the Bible, why do we believe
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  Speaker 1: the Bible? Why are we Christians and not Muslims? And
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten a whole I've developed the whole sort of
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  Speaker 1: message that is around that, and we go to various
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  Speaker 1: churches and schools throughout the year and the response has
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  Speaker 1: been nothing short of outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: What is the most amazing thing people have their eyes
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  Speaker 2: open to when they see all these manuscripts?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all the care and sacrifice and effort
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  Speaker 1: that's gone into preserving the Word of God. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we have over twenty seven thousand ancient manuscripts documenting the
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  Speaker 1: New Testament. Nothing comes close in terms of the earliest
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  Speaker 1: ones are from the first and early second century. The
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  Speaker 1: time gap between the events that happened involving the life
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus and the life of Paul and the Apostles
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  Speaker 1: and the earliest manuscripts fragments is not very big. It
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  Speaker 1: overshadows Homer's Iliad by an order of magnitude of about
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  Speaker 1: a thousand. But there are actually about forty lines of
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  Speaker 1: the New Testament that are in doubt, that are in
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  Speaker 1: dispute or.
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  Speaker 2: The whole in the whole New Testament, only which is.
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  Speaker 1: So inconsequential and then is the type of thing that
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  Speaker 1: trips people up. We're talking about kids that go to
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  Speaker 1: college and at their faith challenge.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 1: One of the tricks that intellectual bullies will use, well,
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  Speaker 1: they'll say to a kid who's been in youth grouper's
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  Speaker 1: whole life when he enters college, and it's usually the
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  Speaker 1: smart kids that you know are the ones that are affected.
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  Speaker 1: He'll say something like, oh, did you know that they
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  Speaker 1: are copying errors in the in the Bible? And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a good answer for that, that could
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  Speaker 1: actually damage your faith. Well, the correct answer should be yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know. So what we know exactly where the errors
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  Speaker 1: were made. If I asked you to copy the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: you'd make mistakes. I asked a thousand people to copy
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, came back in a year, we would know
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  Speaker 1: that everyone would end by the end by hand, and
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  Speaker 1: anyone would make a different mistake. Yeah, that's to be,
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  Speaker 1: because all you have to do is cross reference them,
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  Speaker 1: and you know exactly who skipped the line, who left
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  Speaker 1: out a word, who put a t might be. And
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  Speaker 1: so really the Bible is the New Testament is like
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  Speaker 1: it's like ninety nine point nine percent accurate, and there
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: are a few troublesome issues there, but with every new
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  Speaker 1: discovery we get great accuracy of the text.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Hold that thought, Dan, but afuco. If you want more
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: information about the Historical Bible Society, you can also call
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: one eight hundred now hurt. But what's the what's the website?
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  Speaker 1: Dan?
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  Speaker 2: If people just want to look it up.
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  Speaker 1: Online, Historical Biblesociety dot org.
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  Speaker 2: One long word, Historical Bible Society dot or org. You
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: come on right back in the way.
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  Speaker 6: Here he is from New York exactly. Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So glad to have you with us, and
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  Speaker 2: so loving this conversation with Dan, but afuco because this
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: is why we have the segment early in the show
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: called how do we Live? Applying what we think we
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: know about biblical truth to the everyday life. And Dan,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: you've known me long enough that you know this to
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  Speaker 2: be true. I don't think that any of us are
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: here by accident. I think that we all have a job,
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  Speaker 2: and that that job is to more more or less
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  Speaker 2: tell the story of God to those who do not
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: believe in him and watch him change their life as
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: they give their life to him. That is done specifically
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: by believing that Jesus came, was sinless, was crucified on
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the cross for our sins, was he arose three days later,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: and is someday returning to establish his kingdom in a
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  Speaker 2: permanent way. These are all things that Christians hold to.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuf that Charlie Kirk got
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  Speaker 2: killed for. So it's one of these things where friends
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: it really does matter, people still care very strongly about it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: And along these lines, you've written the book Unapologetic, which
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  Speaker 2: is kind of an outgrowth of your quarreling on Quorra,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: but that should be your follow up, Unapologetic and Quarreling
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: on Quorra. But there are some like kind of traditional
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  Speaker 2: arguments that people think that are gotcha arguments that people make.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: You felt it was important to identify some of them
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: and to put them into writing and to put sound
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  Speaker 2: defenses against them in there. What's been the response to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: the book itself? How are people using it? Are they
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: giving it to people that have these questions? Are they
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: using it to bolster their own information? What's your goal
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: and having Unapologetic in the marketplace.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Well, let's first state the problem and then we'll see
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: what the goal is the problem. And this is statistical.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: It's been proved that something like two thirds, close to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: two thirds of all young Christian people. These are kids
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: growing up in the youth group. These are pastors and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: elders kids as well. Two thirds of them are leaving
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the faith. That's called apostasizing by the time they complete college.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: And the reason for that is because nobody is teaching
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: why we believe these things. Everybody is proclaiming the gospel,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: which is good. Kids come to the youth group, you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: through pizza and ping pong, and I've heard that phrase,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, they join the camaraderie and the pretty
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: girls and the good looking guys, and it's the all
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: nice thing. Everybody's singing in the choir. People feel the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: presence of the Holy Spirit, and they get emotional. And
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Christ has been reduced to an emotional experience sadly in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: many churches. But no one's using their head. No one
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: is understanding why we believe the Christian faith, say, over
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: the Muslim faith or the Hindu faith. Why do we
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: believe our book is right and the Qoran is wrong?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: For example? Why why are we Christians? Nobody can or
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: articulator reason. I'll go into churches with the Bible Society,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Historical Bible Society. I'll start by saying, how many people
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: believe the Bible is the word of God. I'll get
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: a confluence of hands raised, everybody's excited. The Bible's the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: word of God? How many people know why we believe this?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: And I'll get crickets. Now, if we can't understand and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: articulate why we believe what we believe, we're sitting ducks
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: for the intellectual bullies of the age. And this is
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: especially true of college kids who go into college. You've
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: seen the movie God Is Not Dead and a professor
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: latches on to someone who's a Christian. They did this
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: to me in the seventies. They did it to my
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: daughter in the eighties and in the nineties. Rather and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: so we have great answers, but nobody knows them. So
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I want to encourage everybody here listening, pastors, elders, young
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: people to understand why we believe these things and be
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: able to give a defense. The Bible says in Peter
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: that we are to be able to give a reason,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: a defense, an epologia, the hope that is within us
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  Speaker 1: and to do it with gentleness and respect. Now concerning
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: my own daughter, she was bullied in a first year
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: of college at the exact point when I was studying
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: apologetics at the college at for my master's And she says, Dad,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: what do we do. He's embarrassing me in front of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the whole class. I said, we're going to answer him,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and so we answered him. He was a falling away
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Jesuit and he had a real attitude, the guy. And
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: we wrote paper after paper, and what happened at the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: end of the semester. To this guy's credit, he gave
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: her an a plus and he wrote across the top
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: of her paper, you have made me question my own atheism. Wow.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Now see that's an honest intellectual at least. You know,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: he thought he had it all figured out. And when
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: we came up with evidence and we came up for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: reasons for why we believe, he realized that he was
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: dealing with intelligent people that understood why they believed that,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: he backed off. And that's all we wanted to do.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: I don't expect to argue anyone into the kingdom, but
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  Speaker 1: all the people that are watching, all the young people,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: they now know that the faith is defensible, and that's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: the goal. That's the goal of that book, Apologetics. It's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: a tool to put into the hands of young people
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: so that they can make the basic reasons and arguments
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: they're not complicated, to understand why they believe what they believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the beauties of the Christian
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: life is that there is a continuous thread of truth
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: from the beginning of Genesis, through the end of Revelation,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: through Jesus' work on the Cross, through our discipleship and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: life today. And I think the Church has to model
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: all of those things to the world around them. And
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't be pretending that we have all the answers
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: if we don't have all the answers. But for the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: answers that we have, we should understand them and we
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: should be able to articulate them. And more important than
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I think anything else, the power of a changed life
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: is as ready an answer as anything else. If Christians
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: are living what we believe, if we are being dynamic
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: salt and light, if we are loving our neighbor, if
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: we are inviting people to church with us, if we
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: are saying, hey, what are you doing this holiday? Are
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: you alone? Can you spend some time with us? If
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: we are on mission, on task, on the job, the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: world's going to know that there's something different about our faith.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: And that's what that professor picked up on. You got
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: his attention with all the data, but you convinced him
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: ultimately because of the demeanor. And at the end of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: the day, who knows what's going to happen to that professor,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: But I hope that his atheism continues to be questioned.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And if you want to know more, so the books
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: available anywhere good books are sold, Amazon, etc. You can
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: get them anywhere. If you want to know more about
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: the Historical Bible Society, it's Historical Biblesociety dot org. And
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: if you want to know more about Dan's law firm,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: it's one eight hundred now Hurt, one eight hundred now Hurt.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Dan was a big sponsor of our women's event that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: we had in the Tristate area last year. We were
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: looking forward to talking to him before that event took place.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: This kind of makes up for that. But Dan, thank
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: you for fighting the good fight in the in the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: in the courtroom, in the classroom, in the in the pulpit,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: wherever you're at. Thank you for doing what you're doing,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: and thank you for being there and come back and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: see us again.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love too. I'm happy to do it. And
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: pray for me please.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I do brother, actually on a personal level, because you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: and I are friends. But thank you for being with us.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: One eight hundred now Hurt Historical Biblesociety dot Org. In
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: the book is called Unapologetic. Kevin McCullough coming right back
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: from New York.
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  Speaker 14: Don't go way, Let's stick around for more of that
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  Speaker 14: Kevin next, serving it up with a no drink mint.
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  Speaker 1: It's that Kevin that Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back Kevin McCalla, That Kevin Show. Final few minutes.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Just a reminder, Salem Media is heading to Cleveland for
• 1:17:03
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• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: you know, be done in time to go to Good
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Friday service later that night. Kevin McCullough again trying to
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: turn our hearts towards the real meaning of this week.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Here's the gettys o, most.
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  Speaker 6: Many warders.
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  Speaker 2: Our strength, our sun are sure salvage.
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  Speaker 1: Shot now to.
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  Speaker 4: The lamb poul threat.
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  Speaker 7: Be blasting on a color repound for.
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  Speaker 1: The body have.
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  Speaker 6: Almost time loving among us.
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  Speaker 2: Sound of man.
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  Speaker 9: Samfool ss I home love every gimebers swives slave.
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  Speaker 6: Ninety save yo fool who died.
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  Speaker 4: We every driving every trick we shall be at the
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  Speaker 2: How bad.
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  Speaker 7: Amost time keen of the nations, robed in prais.
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  Speaker 6: Crown, we splender.
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  Speaker 7: Christ, the thing who wants and days and is.
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  Speaker 1: Now to the.
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  Speaker 7: Be messing on the polly time all the time.
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  Speaker 6: With the ritual.
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  Speaker 2: All right. The music of Keith and kristin Getty and
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  Speaker 2: the christis Victor song that they wrote a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago, declaring that jesus work on the Cross is
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: really what determines the victory for all of us. He
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: conquered Sanny, conquered death. The best news we have to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: share is that message that Jesus today is alive. He
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: is not dead. He has risen, just as he said,
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  Speaker 2: Calvin McCullough, We'll see you next time.