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Something About The New Metal Church Feels Completely Off · Classic Metal Show

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what's going on this is Frank from silence equals death you are
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watching CMS TV
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It's Stone Axe right here on the Classic Metal Show with Ain't
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Gonna Miss It.
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SPEAKER_02: That one going up by request to T-Cuzbra.
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of a Black Crows vibe there a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: Striper in there with Lost for J-Rad.
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SPEAKER_02: Kiss with...
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All Night for NF18275 Dio from the Last in Line release with
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Breathless for the
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Hardy Boy Bad Company in there with Good Love and Gone Bad for
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my nephew James and
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SPEAKER_02: Montrose in there with Space Station No.
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SPEAKER_02: 5 for Motor Chad 19 That was a good block Yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: it was kind of an interesting block,
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SPEAKER_02: kind of old school Sure Old school stuff,
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SPEAKER_02: so I like it
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you guys do a good job doing that and I do a good job grouping
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it together yes you
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do because believe me if it was me doing it it would be played
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right in order yeah
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I try to do something to make it make sense mm-hmm all right
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all right well we're
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into the home stretch of the show how's your back doing by the
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way you are you
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making it okay I'm all right my back's good tonight but tonight
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my neck's acting
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SPEAKER_03: like a shit but whatever I'll be fine
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SPEAKER_02: And I take it your equipment is not fucking up tonight?
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SPEAKER_03: No, everything is... Now you jinxed it, you son of a bitch.
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SPEAKER_03: It'll probably all start fucking up.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we're into the last segment, so if it fucks up, it fucks up.
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SPEAKER_02: If it fucks up, goodbye.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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I got a couple of music-related stories,
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and I have some other just silly shit.
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okay to take us out of the show unless you had something you
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want I have one thing
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that I really want to get to why don't you get to that right
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now and then I'll
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finish out with the shit that I got because it's
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non-consequential it's okay yeah
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I've got one that I can't believe that the media didn't touch
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so we're gonna touch
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it before I get to that though I just gotta show you this
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remember when we were
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SPEAKER_03: talking this was two months ago or whatever
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and the fans were telling me that I should try Ozempic and get
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thin with Ozempic
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SPEAKER_03: and blah,
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SPEAKER_03: blah,
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SPEAKER_02: blah.
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SPEAKER_02: Remember that conversation?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: Here's the reason I'll never do that.
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SPEAKER_03: I'd rather be fat.
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SPEAKER_03: Have you seen this before and after of Kelly fucking Osborne?
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yeah well of course I've seen a lot of bad things about this
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Ozempic because is
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that really her that's her is that really her that isn't an
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enhanced photo at all
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no because I've seen bunches of these so her legs are literally
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that yes holy shit
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she could literally fit inside the other one yeah she looks
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like that that what was
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SPEAKER_02: her name something Cooney
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yeah she was like an anorexic chick yeah I don't remember her
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name but I know who
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you're talking about her last name was Cooney see if you can
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find anything on her
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like on YouTube or something it was something Cooney anorexic I
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know that's her
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SPEAKER_03: last name though Cooney Eugenia Cooney that's it that's it
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oh yeah she does look that way yeah she looks is that holy shit
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that so that isn't
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some enhanced photo to make her look like again I don't know
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that to be true or not
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but I've seen bunches of that similar photos from that scene
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and that Slipknot guy
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wants to marry her huh well not no more he broke up oh really
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oh yeah yeah they
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SPEAKER_02: broke up yeah that's her
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So he proposed to her in front of dying Aussie and now he broke
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up with her?
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SPEAKER_03: Or she broke up with him.
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SPEAKER_03: I think she might have broke up with him.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's her.
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SPEAKER_03: She's about the same skinny.
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SPEAKER_03: She's probably looking for some Ozempic.
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SPEAKER_03: She probably thinks she's fat.
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SPEAKER_03: Look at the extra skin.
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SPEAKER_03: That shit must weigh an extra two pounds.
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SPEAKER_03: Gotta cut that off.
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SPEAKER_03: My God, that is horrid.
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when they get like that aren't you just like go ahead and just
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die yeah it's like I
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mean it's not gonna get better no of course not she's always
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gonna be fucked up and
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eventually she's gonna die from malnutrition well I mean is she
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still alive I don't
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even know I don't even know let's see look on here because yeah
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she's still alive
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SPEAKER_02: because I've known of her for at least 15 years she is 31 years old
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yikes yeah that's not attractive you compare her anorexia
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holocaust body to Kelly
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Osbourne and they're about the same they really are wow you
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know what doesn't help
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SPEAKER_03: Kelly either that she was a fat chick
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yeah that really makes it worse yeah well where did all the
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skin like on her fat
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legs and stuff go where did she was young enough that it
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snapped back maybe I mean
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I don't know maybe she got I mean certainly the Osbournes have
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enough money and
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certainly aren't afraid of a little plastic surgery to remove
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something yeah that's
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SPEAKER_03: horrendous
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hope she eats a sandwich here sometime Jesus Christ that is
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brutal but that's not
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the story I wanted I just wanted to show you yeah I getcha this
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is a I think is a
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is a big story and no one's covering it and I don't know why um
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you mentioned at
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the top of the show about Metal Church and Armored Saint yes
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being out there on
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SPEAKER_03: tour and whatnot right right well
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out of the blue this week you remember a couple weeks ago we
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were playing some
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clips from Mark Lopes talking about that he wasn't even given
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respect with the he
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wasn't given proper what do you want to call notice or whatever
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notice of fire that
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he was no longer in Metal Church all that kind of stuff well
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needless to say in the
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SPEAKER_03: last probably
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six weeks so both Mark was promoting a song and then Kurt was
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promoting this album
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so a lot of a lot of interviews a lot of news out there about
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Metal Church right
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then all of a sudden I see this long rant on Facebook and I
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copied it and I don't
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know if it got taken down or not but I saved it because I
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wanted to be sure I had
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SPEAKER_03: it and it's from a guy that does not usually do this kind of shit
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Stett Howland yeah I know Stett yeah on a personal level I've
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hung out with Stett
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on probably half a dozen occasions the thing about Stett he's
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not really this kind
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of guy to go public not really I mean I'm not saying that he
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wouldn't because
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obviously he did here but he went very very public and very
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very scorched earth on
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SPEAKER_03: um
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Kurt Vanderhoof as well as Joe O'Brien from Rat Pack Records
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okay I mean he really
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smashed them look at this it's two two parts two long parts
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like this no less I'll
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SPEAKER_03: read some of this and stop along the way and you tell me what you think
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SPEAKER_03: You know,
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SPEAKER_03: I try to stay positive on here,
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SPEAKER_03: but some shit is just so wrong that it needs to be addressed.
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Now that alone tells you what's getting ready to hit is not
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going to be pretty.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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Today marks yet another year that the person that runs Metal
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Church Facebook
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website and record label failed to acknowledge one of the
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highest charting records
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SPEAKER_03: of the band's 40-year career.
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SPEAKER_03: Congregation of Annihilation.
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SPEAKER_03: This person's ongoing childish,
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SPEAKER_03: vindictive,
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and unprofessional behavior can be quickly verified by
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scrolling the Metal Church
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SPEAKER_03: Facebook site.
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Not a peep about anything regarding Steve Unger,
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Mark Loops,
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or myself for the last two years.
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Not a mention of any album or any of our birthdays since we got
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home from Australia
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SPEAKER_03: and started asking questions.
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questions like where the hell is our money upon calling out the
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label the silent
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treatment began he then he immediately used his position to
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dish out sour grapes he
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even presented Kurt and Rick with a with a homemade gold record
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award all to try to
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SPEAKER_03: get under our skin
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SPEAKER_03: We were more embarrassed for them than anything else.
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SPEAKER_03: You can't make this shit up.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, who is this person?
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SPEAKER_03: Joe O'Brien.
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SPEAKER_02: He runs Facebook page?
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SPEAKER_03: He runs Rat Pack.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'm under the assumption,
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SPEAKER_03: so I could be wrong,
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SPEAKER_03: but I'm under the assumption that he or his label runs
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the Metal Church Facebook page okay and and they've sold
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500,000 copies no no no no
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no he's saying that this is the most successful chart position
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for a Metal Church
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SPEAKER_03: record Congregation of Annihilation
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really that's probably true metal church was never a charting
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band yeah and if they
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sold a thousand copies they'd be in the top 20 all right the
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chart position again
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that's what he's I mean that's what he said he didn't say the
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most sales he said to
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acknowledge one of the highest charting records of the band's
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40-year career what
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SPEAKER_03: what what what
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and again I'm not picking on Stead here I'm just asking the
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question because maybe
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you know better than I do what qualifies as a chart position
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these days here's an
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even better question who the fuck has mentioned Billboard in
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the last 20 years
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in the last 10 or 15
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we stopped talking about the billboard 200 because the hot what
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was that other the
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active rot hot hot hot chart or something or with a bullet
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chart or something yeah
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SPEAKER_03: remember that whatever that was the
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I forget there was a couple of charts yeah because one was like
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a college thing one
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was like something that was charting quickly in a week one was
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you know and you had
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different ones you had the most ads yeah remember you had you
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had billboard and you
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had the CM what was it Monday morning quarterback one CMJ like
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there was several
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SPEAKER_03: reporting things now I'm with you
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My first thought when I saw that was,
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whoop-de-fucking-do,
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you sold 2,000 records.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't give a shit if that puts you on some list.
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SPEAKER_03: You sold 2,000 records.
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SPEAKER_03: That's what local bands sell.
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SPEAKER_02: It's what they used to sell.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what they sell now.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, who sells physical product these days?
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SPEAKER_03: But back in the day, a local band would sell 1,500, 2,000 copies.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about stats.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, today?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: What charts?
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I mean...
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Well,
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I think they somehow,
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there's some math for streams or something,
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too.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: X number, like 10 streams equals one sale or something.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know the math, but...
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There is something to that where they do some sort of magic
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math to make it sound
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SPEAKER_03: better than it is.
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SPEAKER_02: I just call it Hocus Pocus.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, it is.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's all nonsense.
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SPEAKER_03: How can a thousand streams equal one sale?
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SPEAKER_03: It doesn't.
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Because unless you bought the physical product,
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you still don't have skin in the game for it.
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SPEAKER_03: You only just listen to it because it's free.
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and you'll listen to it till the next thing comes out which is
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what everybody does
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which is why nobody remembers any of these records there's no
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charting any stop
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with the charts I'm with you on that part Stet but at the same
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time he's not wrong
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he's not wrong in being annoyed that they will acknowledge this
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is going to sound
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super callous I don't care I'm in that mood tonight they will
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acknowledge every
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SPEAKER_03: fucking important date of Mike Howe
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and not acknowledge that he killed himself they will say you
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know today's the day
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that we unfortunately remember the passing of Mike Howe they
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won't talk about the
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fact that he took a fucking handful of pills and killed himself
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or did whatever he
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did no he hung himself or hung himself whatever it was whatever
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it was that gets
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dusted over these guys were all in this band and I mean is it
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really that much to
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SPEAKER_03: say hey
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Happy Birthday Mark Lopes Hopefully you're doing well You don't
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even have to say
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hopefully you're doing well Happy Birthday to our former singer
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Mark Lopes or
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Ronnie Monroe or Steve Unger or whoever He's not wrong on that
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Alright let's read
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SPEAKER_03: more here This person worked all of the band's problems
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SPEAKER_03: These actions unraveled the last actual Metal Church band.
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SPEAKER_03: It's now a project.
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SPEAKER_02: See, I agree with that.
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SPEAKER_02: I made that comment myself.
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SPEAKER_03: I agree too.
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SPEAKER_03: He is also the one who runs Kurt's life and now Metal Church's career.
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SPEAKER_03: God bless him.
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SPEAKER_03: Totally unprofessional and with no noticeable business sense.
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SPEAKER_03: yet so very entertaining and amusing to me.
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SPEAKER_03: Ha ha ha.
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SPEAKER_03: Oops, I didn't mean to do that.
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SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
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SPEAKER_03: All said, my time in Metal Church was musically very rewarding.
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And right up until the very end,
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the brotherhood we shared was unbeatable.
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We had great chemistry on stage and we never had even one fight
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off stage.
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SPEAKER_03: We always got along swimmingly.
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the only time there was any ever any grumbling was when we
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would discuss the record
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label that was our only gray area ever I could smell a rat from
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the very beginning
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my instincts never fail me not to mention the many warnings
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from other scorned
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SPEAKER_03: artists so he's just unloading all the dirt now
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but Metal Church has been represented by Rat Pack for a long
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time like 20 years at
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least yeah it's been I mean they left what were they on what
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Steam Hammer or
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whatever for Weight of the World yeah and that was back in the
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90s and I think they
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I think Steam Hammer might have put out Light in the Dark but
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after that then it's
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been all Rat Pack since then I mean yeah they've been with Joe
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for a long time
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I wisely dismissed this label almost from inception get to the
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next thing here as
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SPEAKER_03: you know oh is this the same one that's the same one here it is
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the many warnings from other scorned artists I wisely dismiss
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this label almost
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from inception as the money these days is in the live shows and
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given touring is my
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area of expertise I simply grinded to get the best gigs while
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always trying to keep
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SPEAKER_03: the label out of it
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Today we celebrate the release of Metal Church album
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Congregation of Annihilation
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that came out three years ago This album was top 20 in six
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countries including the
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SPEAKER_03: USA Again going back to our original point So what?
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SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
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Did anybody celebrate that other than the four guys in the band
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at that time?
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SPEAKER_03: Anybody?
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do you remember nearly when it came out did you immediately go
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to Billboard to see
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where it charted no I to be honest with you I wasn't a fan of
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the record I just I
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just didn't dig Mark's delivery well let's go to one you dig
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you dig the new one
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right yeah I like did you look to see where it charted I have
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not of course not
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SPEAKER_03: because no one cares that is such a that is such a 1985 thought I know
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let's go where it charted next thing you're gonna say is that
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they didn't promote
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your your midnight sale at the record store I mean come on
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we're not doing that
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anymore all that shit is done let's see we worked very hard on
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its success yet the
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label wouldn't even fund one video regardless we rocked the
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world and I was honored
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SPEAKER_03: to bring my longtime friend Mark Lopes into the fold
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he did an amazing job and is one of the best most sturdy
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bandmates I've ever shared
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the stage with at that time the five of us were as close as
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brothers could be it
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makes me sad the way things are now Mike Howe would be
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absolutely disgusted if he
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were here to witness this the band's honor died with him
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unfortunately damn alright
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SPEAKER_03: damn
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At the end of the day,
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I feel like we were all lucky to still be here,
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especially me.
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SPEAKER_03: And it's not like we killed each other's families or something.
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SPEAKER_03: Our band broke up.
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SPEAKER_03: Boo-hoo.
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SPEAKER_03: And although that unfortunately took its toll on my family life,
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SPEAKER_03: greatly contributing to my divorce,
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SPEAKER_03: divorce is unfortunately as common as bands breaking up.
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SPEAKER_03: The strong live through it and thrive after.
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I wish most of those involved the best and hope they have the
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strength to move forward.
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SPEAKER_03: I am.
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SPEAKER_03: Life's too short.
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My bro Gary Hoey has been so incredibly influential in keeping
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me positive.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm steadily trying to gravitate away from the negative.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you, bro.
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Sorry I had to vent today,
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but this was something that I felt needed addressing.
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SPEAKER_03: I let it slide for two years already.
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SPEAKER_03: I tried my best to stick to the facts and limit name calling.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you to all for the ongoing love and support.
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SPEAKER_03: Big love to you all.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you for your ongoing love and support from Stett.
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SPEAKER_02: So he's blaming his divorce on the breakup of Metal Church?
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SPEAKER_03: That's what it sounds like.
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Like maybe he wasn't making enough money,
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which I can't fathom that because
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isn't his and I could be wrong on this again I'm throwing a lot
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of bullshit up
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against the wall but things I think I know he's like a real
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estate guy again I
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don't know I'm pretty sure he's a real estate guy like he flips
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houses or something
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SPEAKER_03: so I can't imagine that he was out of money
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And I can't imagine that Metal Church was making any kind of
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money that people
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SPEAKER_03: would divorce over Yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that Step was a paid player I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: when they played,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sure he made maybe 300 bucks a night Yeah,
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I can't imagine that the Metal Church money was like If you're
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not making that
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SPEAKER_03: money,
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I'm throwing you to the woods You're out of here I cannot
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believe that there was
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SPEAKER_03: that kind of coin coming in
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SPEAKER_02: How many gigs a year did Metal Church play?
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SPEAKER_02: 35 to 50?
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The only thing I could think of and I'm equating this to my own
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divorce maybe when
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he was going through the bad period right before the breakup he
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was also home and
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he wanted to get away and he couldn't because Metal Church
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wasn't doing anything so
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SPEAKER_03: he sat home and fought with his wife or his ex-wife now
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it's the only thing i could think of i don't know i don't know
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how that could be
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other than that i mean was his wife involved in the band
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somehow i don't think so i
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don't think so either so so if metal church played 50 shows in
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a year yeah and he
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made 300 bucks a night that's 15 000 bucks yeah as i say that's
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not much ain't a
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SPEAKER_02: whole lot i make that like two weeks
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that's enough to fucking buy one shitty house in a bad
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neighborhood to flip that's
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it alright well everybody has their grievances but you know
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shit happens shit
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doesn't I'm just surprised that no media picked up on this
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that's a fairly well
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SPEAKER_03: known guy
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Yeah I mean he had a long tenure in Wasp and then obviously he
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you know assumed the
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drummer role in Metal Church and he you know had some physical
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issues that almost
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killed him but you know again Stet very nice guy every time I
23:19
see him he always
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SPEAKER_02: recognized me he says hello comes over to chat for a few minutes but
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you know Metal Church's Kurt Vanderhoof yeah that's just how it
23:31
is it's no
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different than these guys like Dave Mustaine or a Blackie
23:37
Lawless or a Don Dokken
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or a Jeff Tate and he worked with Blackie so he should know you
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know they're the
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head of the ship it's how it goes it's their project I agree
23:51
it's their thing yeah
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SPEAKER_03: I'm just like hmm
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this is a bit harsh to be throwing out there just random like
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that yeah well
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whatever but you know I saw the I saw the protectiveness of of
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his good friend Mark
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Lopes you know he's the one who quote unquote brought him into
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the band and he did
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a great job and he's my bro and blah blah blah you know it's
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well I'm just
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SPEAKER_02: defending my friend yeah well
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That's kind of how I read that and there's probably some truth
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I mean there's
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obviously friendship issues yes of course that are at play in
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this thing as well
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but yeah it just I don't know the whole thing is very it's very
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surprising from
24:43
SPEAKER_03: that guy to be on social media
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SPEAKER_03: throwing hand grenades like that.
24:50
SPEAKER_03: I won't say bombs.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: These weren't quite bombs.
24:52
SPEAKER_03: Now, if you would have called Joe O'Brien out by name, now that's a bomb.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: When I look at this current thing with Metal Church,
25:01
SPEAKER_02: and I said this from the beginning,
25:02
SPEAKER_02: especially when they added Dave Ellison to the lineup,
25:06
SPEAKER_02: this is less of a band and more of a project.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: And he nailed it because I see it the same way.
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you know because this doesn't look like these are cohesive
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brothers these are name
25:20
guys being in a band together under the metal church banner and
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that's how I look
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at it it doesn't mean I don't like the record any less but it
25:31
doesn't seem as if
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it's a lasting thing no what's always weird to me from all
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these kind of things is
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SPEAKER_03: the same guys play with the same types
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Stett played with Blackie now he played with Kurt same type guy
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that's the sole
25:51
sole guy Ellison played with Mustaine now plays with with
25:56
Vanderhub same same thing
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you know they they gravitate it's almost like the guy that
26:06
marries the girl that's
26:08
just like their mom you know what I mean the the chicks they're
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attracted to are
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SPEAKER_03: just like their mom
26:15
SPEAKER_03: because it's familiar and it's comfortable.
26:18
And it's just strange that guys that are notorious for not
26:23
having loyalty to their
26:24
SPEAKER_03: bandmates,
26:25
SPEAKER_03: the bandmates seem to bounce from that guy to this guy to that guy.
26:31
SPEAKER_03: Isn't that weird?
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Yeah,
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but these guys,
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these journeymen musicians,
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I'm a musician for hire.
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SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
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and that's what happens they get into these projects and they
26:47
get into these bands
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and you know I'm a guy for hire yeah but then they all bitch
26:52
when they get thrown
26:53
out they forget that they were a guy for hire that's always the
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bad part of it is
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then they get let go and then it's like well why did I get
27:06
fired what did I do
27:07
SPEAKER_03: wrong it's like I thought I found a home yeah you didn't
27:11
SPEAKER_03: You were a hired gun in the band.
27:13
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
27:14
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28:46
this thing out there and I was like man and again it's from no
28:50
instead a little bit
28:51
SPEAKER_03: he's just not that guy right he is not the guy to be throwing bombs
28:57
SPEAKER_03: that could potentially cost him gigs.
28:59
Yeah,
29:00
and what I noticed,
29:01
he didn't say anything bad about Kurt personally.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: He just more or less went after Rat Pack.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: Rat Pack and Joe O'Brien.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and defending Lopes.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Lopes.
29:17
SPEAKER_02: No, you're right.
29:18
He didn't seem to come off with a grievance like he was treated
29:22
personally bad.
29:25
it's just like well I think Lopes got a bad deal man I think he
29:29
did say that he
29:31
didn't like the fact that they got home and didn't hear nothing
29:34
and I agree with
29:35
all those guys if that is indeed the case that Vanderhoof
29:41
didn't call them up and
29:43
say I'm done or you're fired or you know the band's over or
29:49
anything like that
29:51
SPEAKER_03: that's weak that's weak sauce you know
29:55
I mean even if he if he calls them and says look I'm done with
29:59
the band and then he
30:02
decided he wanted to come back with this lineup but even if
30:06
even if he did say I'm
30:07
trying to go the other way like the furthest on purpose if he
30:11
said the band was
30:12
over and then he changed his mind five years later and
30:18
repackaged it with new guys
30:22
SPEAKER_03: I still think that's better
30:25
SPEAKER_03: if he would have told these original guys first.
30:29
SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
30:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:30
SPEAKER_03: Or not original guys, but the last album band.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_03: If he would have,
30:35
SPEAKER_03: if Vanderhoof comes off the,
30:37
SPEAKER_03: the way the story goes,
30:39
SPEAKER_03: I think,
30:40
SPEAKER_03: is Vanderhoof's back was hurt,
30:41
SPEAKER_03: came off the road.
30:44
That was what was put out there,
30:46
that Vanderhoof was having physical issues.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: So he had to put Metal Church on hiatus.
30:53
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
30:54
but then he was doing that side project yeah that other band it
30:59
had videos and
30:59
everything else yeah but I still think if he would have called
31:05
those guys and said
31:06
look my back's too fucked up I can't do this anymore I'm
31:10
retiring Metal Church
31:12
SPEAKER_03: thank you for your contributions
31:15
have a nice day have a nice life and then he comes back three
31:19
four years later and
31:20
his back is better but he doesn't feel like that lineup was
31:24
what he wants to do I
31:27
still think it's more okay than where he's never contacted him
31:31
even to this day you
31:33
SPEAKER_02: see what I'm saying yeah but again who knows who is advising Kurt on this
31:40
well I don't know to say you know what it's just better that
31:45
you let this thing die
31:46
down we'll reform with you know this new guys this what do you
31:53
want to call I don't
31:54
want to call it a super group but you know no names and we'll
32:00
relaunch Metal Church
32:02
and you know get people's interest in guys who have thrash
32:07
metal hard rock
32:09
what he roots be a part of this thing and hopefully it'll gain
32:14
some interest that
32:15
we've got a David Ellison playing with you yeah well and the
32:20
thing that doesn't
32:21
track with Stat or it's interesting I've interviewed all three
32:27
of those guys or
32:29
I've interviewed that whole lineup since the breakup of
32:33
Congregation I interviewed
32:34
SPEAKER_03: Unger for his I forget what that band is called um
32:38
SPEAKER_03: but this was recently like three months ago or something in the winter I
32:46
interviewed him Unger and I interviewed Lopes recently and I
32:50
interviewed Vanderhoof
32:51
recently and I interviewed Stett I don't know a year ago or so
32:55
for some project
32:56
SPEAKER_03: that he was oh for that NYC band that he's doing with Mark Boland
33:02
so I've literally interviewed all these guys since the one
33:06
place that it doesn't
33:07
track with what the former lineup of Metal Church is saying is
33:12
that for Vanderhoof
33:13
to come back and do this with the lineup that he has it is more
33:20
costly for him to
33:21
do it he's not going to get David Ellefson at the same rate
33:26
that he was getting
33:27
SPEAKER_03: Steve Unger he's not going to get Ken Mary
33:32
SPEAKER_03: at the same rate as Stead Holland.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: He's just not going to do it.
33:36
SPEAKER_03: It's just not going to play that way.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: You see what I mean?
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think this is a Rat Pack call, to be honest with you.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Could be.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Because Rat Pack is like,
33:46
SPEAKER_02: well,
33:46
we're willing to take on the risk for reward if we bring in
33:54
these name brand guys
33:57
SPEAKER_02: to be part of Metal Church.
34:02
so that's just kind of how I see it it's just like I think Rat
34:05
Pack is taking on
34:07
the risk of paying these guys to be a part of this thing but
34:14
again I don't look at
34:16
this as a band sure these are just name brand guys doing metal
34:21
church type music
34:24
and I mean you know me and me and Ellison get along great and
34:29
you know we're
34:30
SPEAKER_03: friendly and all but I I
34:32
being honest when I say I don't see him as thinking this is a
34:36
band I don't think
34:38
SPEAKER_03: that either he does a lot of bands
34:42
yeah and I know Ken a little bit because I knew him from you
34:45
know Jack Russell's
34:47
great way I hung out with him on numerous occasions because
34:51
they often played with
34:52
Dokken so I would see him plenty and just chat up with him and
34:58
he's a session guy
34:59
he's a guy who plays with whoever hires him but he's not going
35:04
to be out there
35:05
SPEAKER_03: playing for $300 a night yeah no way
35:10
he's gotta make more than that he's one of the more
35:13
accomplished guys yeah I don't
35:16
know the whole thing is a little crazy but interesting to say
35:21
the least well again
35:23
I look at this as Rat Pack again I don't know anything about
35:28
Rat Pack aside from
35:29
SPEAKER_02: you know them distributing various records and so forth but
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Whoever's running the helm and controlling some money,
35:41
they decided that perhaps it might be worth the investment to
35:46
have these guys tour
35:49
SPEAKER_02: around his metal church.
35:53
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: I don't know Joe real well either.
35:56
I'm sure you remember me and Joe had a little falling out there
36:00
for a minute with KXM.
36:02
SPEAKER_03: Remember that?
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
36:04
they were not happy with me about KXM at all but we worked
36:09
through it you know had
36:11
a couple of conversations and worked it out so maybe that's all
36:14
Stett needs to do
36:15
too is call Joe and say hey let's fucking solve this shit
36:20
because if I and again
36:22
I'm not trying to defend Rat Pack or Joe or anything but I will
36:27
say and obviously
36:27
it's a very different thing from Radio Dick saying bad things
36:31
about his priority
36:32
SPEAKER_03: record
36:34
SPEAKER_03: versus band guy that was on the payroll bad-mouthing the company.
36:40
SPEAKER_03: You know,
36:40
SPEAKER_03: I get that it's different,
36:42
but I do know that it was as simple as a couple of
36:45
communications back and forth
36:46
SPEAKER_03: with Joe and we were fine to move on.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: The KXM bullshit was left behind.
36:55
SPEAKER_03: And I never talked about KXM again.
36:57
See,
36:57
there's why I never talked about KXM on the show for albums two
37:00
and three.
37:02
SPEAKER_03: I made a little agreement that I would just leave it alone.
37:05
SPEAKER_03: It just wasn't my thing.
37:09
SPEAKER_03: So anyway, that's the end of my bullshit.
37:12
SPEAKER_03: You can have the ship from here.
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