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Episode 16. The Generational Gap & Scarlet Witch vs. Dumbledore (Feat. Oscar) · High n' Dry Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Make sure to uh make sure to stretch your hammies out before you get started here.
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SPEAKER_02: We should do some we should make sure we do some volume tests.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I've been listening.
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SPEAKER_02: We're good.
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SPEAKER_02: Testing.
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SPEAKER_02: Testing.
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SPEAKER_01: Testing.
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SPEAKER_01: Dicks.
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SPEAKER_00: Balls.
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SPEAKER_00: Balls.
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SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
0:36
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to High and Dry, everyone.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm Ryan Barron North, drunken philosopher of this wonderful little podcast of ours.
0:42
SPEAKER_00: With me as always, Resident High Philosopher James Crossland.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: James, how are you doing today?
0:47
SPEAKER_02: I'm doing great.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: Um it's it's a great year so far, let me tell you.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: My it's not like my brain has melted every day or anything.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm uh I'm missing like my my it when I first deleted Facebook, my thumb would kind of just instinctively go to the corner of my phone to click on Facebook for a couple months.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: Now my thumb keeps instinctively going to Google News to see what terrible things are happening, but there's kind of of a brief pause in that right now.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: Um so that's been cool.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: And joining us today, um, we got an exciting guest today, guest Drunken Philosopher.
1:23
SPEAKER_00: He's coming onto my team, Pokemaster, um, and linguistic anthropologist Oscar.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: Oscar, how are you doing today?
1:30
SPEAKER_04: I'm good.
1:31
SPEAKER_04: How are you?
1:32
SPEAKER_00: We're all right, we're all right.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: How are you?
1:33
SPEAKER_00: How's your 2021 going?
1:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you know, um that's you know.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: I hate it, thanks.
1:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:45
SPEAKER_03: Thanks, I hate it.
1:46
SPEAKER_04: With the coup and the and the upcoming Senate trial, you know, it seems like it's you know, it's like when someone bets like does better than you in something in class, and you're like, oh, you know, I'm gonna show you now.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna show you.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: There seemed to have been a common misconception that the simple changing of the calendar year would have solved all of our problems.
2:14
SPEAKER_00: But uh they just came with us and they have New Year's resolutions of their own.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: So, for those of you who are first-time listeners and to our guest, our first-time guest, how high and dry works is that I'm going to pose to the three of us a philosophical question or quandary.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna work through it, and then we're gonna jump into a versus match, which you know everyone's been clicking for.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, this week we do have an exciting one.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, but before we do any of that, as the name of the show implies, we gotta get dry.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: And dry.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: We gotta get dry off.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think it's because the humor itself is dry.
2:54
SPEAKER_00: And and then I don't remember why we did this anymore.
2:57
SPEAKER_00: It's because we live in a desert.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: There's so many of them.
3:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but first we gotta get a little drunk, and first we gotta get a little high.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: So uh, James, what are you smoking this week?
3:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh this week I have a wonderful strain called blueberry cookies.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: And I know, right?
3:15
SPEAKER_02: I have the greatest names for my shit.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: I love weed.
3:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh, blueberry cookies, it does taste a lot like blueberry and a little bit like cookies, but it's a crossbreeding between the blueberry strain and the girl scout cookie strain, which is a well-known and well-beloved strain.
3:31
SPEAKER_02: So I think it's gonna get I'm gonna get a really good chill high off this one.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm well, I'm happy for you.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: And what do you oh what's Oscar drinking?
3:39
SPEAKER_02: That's what I want to know.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Oscar, what are you drinking this week?
3:41
SPEAKER_04: I'm drinking some uh mead that I had in my fridge.
3:51
SPEAKER_04: Um I ordered it a while ago and never touched it, so I figure this could be a good time to do that.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: To crack open the mead.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:04
SPEAKER_04: Very nice.
4:05
SPEAKER_04: It's supposed to have like a cranberry flavor, so you know.
4:09
SPEAKER_00: Let us know how it is as we go.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm excited for you, also.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, meanwhile, I'll be drinking knucklenogin salted caramel whiskey.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: This is uh a bottle that James actually got me uh for this past holiday season.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: It uh it tastes like uh pancake syrup.
4:26
SPEAKER_02: It does, it tastes like syrup.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: It tastes like legitimately if you want to drink syrup out of a bottle that gets you really fucked up more than just a sugar high.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: This is the this is the place for you, right here.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: Throw that shit on your pancakes.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: Knuckle knocking.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh I thought it had a picture of bacon on there, but no, that's caramel, that's dripping caramel.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: Dripping bacon.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: All right, well, so this first one, our toast this week is of course Carl Urban.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: Carl Urban, always.
4:57
SPEAKER_00: Always.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: And uh to our guest, Oscar.
5:01
SPEAKER_00: Oscar, thanks for joining us.
5:03
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: I hope I got a good hit off that.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot.
5:17
SPEAKER_00: That was smooth.
5:19
SPEAKER_00: This one's really smooth too.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: That was smooth.
5:21
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, the past two weeks I've been doing uh gin and various cranberry vodkas and you know toilet wine.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: And so it's uh toilet wine.
5:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
5:34
SPEAKER_00: Um you get it.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: We got a toilet.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: We bought a toilet specifically for making wine.
5:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I have a uh I have an ammonia mixture.
5:44
SPEAKER_00: That it just doesn't taste right unless it comes out of a toilet tank.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: How is that meat, Oscar?
5:51
SPEAKER_04: It's good.
5:52
SPEAKER_04: Um it's pretty tart.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: So it's nice.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: I bet I bet it's nice to have little tart booths.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, now moving on to our second shot, second hit, second drink.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, this one actually goes to Paris, France.
6:06
SPEAKER_00: We have a listener who binged all of them in the past couple days.
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SPEAKER_00: So this one's to France.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: Fuck yeah, Paris.
6:13
SPEAKER_02: To the Accords.
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SPEAKER_02: Yay for rejoining the minimum effort, the non-binding resolution.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: But it gives you those warm fuzzies, don't it?
6:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this one's good, but it's like it's not as blueberry as I thought it'd be.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: No.
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unknown: No.
6:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm just over here drinking pancakes.
6:37
SPEAKER_00: You want some blueberries for that pancake?
6:41
SPEAKER_00: All right, Oscar.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: Did you have something that you'd like to toast on the third go?
6:46
SPEAKER_04: Ah.
6:47
SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
6:50
SPEAKER_04: To uh before it dies to the to the Bernie mean uh meme, you know?
6:59
SPEAKER_02: To the Bernie meme.
7:02
SPEAKER_04: Cheers to the Bernie meme for the last 15 minutes of that's going around.
7:05
SPEAKER_04: United, United America.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: Thank God.
7:09
SPEAKER_00: Finally, finally, an end to the schism.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:13
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
7:13
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
7:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
7:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy, that was a big one.
7:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:24
SPEAKER_02: I got the sweet atomizer that lets me atomize through my cartridges at different voltages.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: That one was at 3.4 volts.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: Right now I'm getting a resistance of 1.4 ohms on it for all you electrical engineers in the audience.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: This is an electrical engineer podcast.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
7:42
SPEAKER_00: I we hashtag electrical engineering every time without fail.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: All right.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: So what's what do you got for me today?
7:53
SPEAKER_00: On this blue collar podcast.
7:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so this week, um, you know, with Oscar coming on, our linguistic anthropologist, I um I do not have a linguistic question, but I do have I'm leaving.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: How dare you not pander to our guests?
8:14
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk about the differences between Middle English and old English.
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SPEAKER_00: Oscar gone.
8:21
SPEAKER_04: One is epic, the other one is not.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: All right, moving on to the second part of our podcast.
8:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, so uh the question I have today involves the generational gap.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that it is so there's no question that there is definitely a generational gap, uh generational divide, however you want to phrase it, um, in the world.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: And you know, definitely it it sprouts up, I believe if I'm not mistaken.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: I've crevice a generational crevasse.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: The uh the term and the sociological implications actually first came up in regards to baby boomers rebelling against the silent generation.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: So this is not a new concept, um, but just with the advent of Facebook and social media and things of that nature, I think that it's really put on display.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: So the the question that I'd like to pose today is first, um, do you feel that there is in fact a generational divide or gap or crevasse?
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SPEAKER_00: And what do you think that we can do to fix it?
9:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a big one.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: Oscar.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: Guests first.
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SPEAKER_01: Oscar, how do you fix the divide between the young and the old?
9:39
SPEAKER_04: Well, just initial thoughts.
9:41
SPEAKER_04: Kill the old and perfect.
9:46
SPEAKER_01: I guess I'm moving on to the second portion of the podcast.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: All right, uh, so initial thoughts, kill the old.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, James, what are your initial thoughts?
10:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no, Oscar, please.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: You have the four.
10:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
10:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, well, what how how much of a divide are we talking about?
10:10
SPEAKER_04: Because you know, there was a whole uh thing where like the boomers and millennials were like fighting each other, but then like the Generation X was kind of just like, I'm just chilling here, right?
10:24
SPEAKER_00: So like hanging out, they're hiding out.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, I I think the most famous one or because the term millennial, the the the boomer generation, or just the internet, um, used millennial to just encompass a very wide age group that was not necessarily millennial.
10:42
SPEAKER_02: Um and also to infantilize them.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: Um and so I feel that that's the one that played the biggest part in the media, you know, and that started with you know participation trophies and you know, the the older generation claiming entitlement for something like that.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, the younger generation claiming entitlement for you know Reaganomics and the way we voted, you know, ever since you know the older generation can vote.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: So I think let's we I want to zoom.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: We could take it wherever you'd like in terms of which generation you want to talk about, um, because it's the overarching question of the generational crevasse.
11:18
SPEAKER_04: So I've I've never I've personally never liked the idea of dividing people by generations because it's uh a very uh arbitrary divide, you know, like if if you were born between this, and and you see this like still, right?
11:37
SPEAKER_04: With with millennials, with like we mentioned, the definition shifts a little bit depending on who you're talking to, right?
11:43
SPEAKER_04: So like some people say late 80s to like end of the 90s, some people make it like the whole decade.
11:52
SPEAKER_04: So I've always felt like it's uh it's a bit of a a misnomer, I guess.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
11:58
SPEAKER_04: Um so I feel like there's more to say about like the events that happen uh for specific people at specific areas of the world and specific, you know.
12:12
SPEAKER_04: It's very personal.
12:14
SPEAKER_04: Uh I do see the the usefulness though of having like a wide category where you can say, you know, millennials be like.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh so no, it's just hard that it's getting utilized in such a you know ageist, I suppose, um, way.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, in we we just it's almost like we naturally seem, I wouldn't even say naturally, I I don't I don't subscribe to the idea that um looking at someone who's different than you and responding in some sort of Darwinian way to be correct.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't subscribe to that and I don't think that's true.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: Assigning a hierarchy, uh like a preference or or like a uh like some kind of behavior is inherently better than another.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: You're you're basically creating a divide by doing that.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: You're saying I am better and you are the other.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, James, uh, what are your initial thoughts on the on the concept?
13:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh I agree with Oscar.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: Well, how are you gonna fix the divide?
13:14
SPEAKER_02: How am I gonna fix the divide?
13:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna divide it up even further.
13:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm gonna take it as a seed.
13:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna divide people by personality, and we're gonna put all the people of the same personality in each place.
13:31
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get even more.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be like 16 letters long the way we classify people.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: Um you hang out in this city, you hang out in that city, you you get a small town because you fucking love small towns and everyone else hates them.
13:45
SPEAKER_01: Look, I don't even know what we're doing.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Zodiac signs have figured this out for us already.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, astrology figured this out thousands of years ago.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: We don't need to worry anymore.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what are we doing?
13:59
SPEAKER_02: Um no, I would say uh I would say the only way to fix it is to stop this classification nonsense.
14:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, uh we felt like we were overly classified by the generations before us, and then we decided to do the same thing back to them.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: Not that I'm not all about some fucking boomer memes.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: I love me, I love boomer memes.
14:22
SPEAKER_02: I fucking love them.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: No, and I feel you there.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: I feel you there.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: They provides endless entertainment.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: Um there's this great there's this great one of just a woman being hit by a car and it says, shut the fuck up, boomer, like an old woman being run over by a car.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: And I'm I use that all the time.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: And uh I don't know.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: Um definitely helping the discourse.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I fucking love the memes though.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, we should really stop dividing people.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: That's the trick.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, and I would uh so for my initial thoughts, I I would I would agree, and I think empathy is is the key there.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: So I mean I I can see you know the boomer plight being forever cast in the shadow of you know the World War II generation, you know, not having the same you know war and sense of purpose as their parents, and so so I could sort of understand you know that sort of thing.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: Um and meanwhile sounds like daddy issues.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: And I but I think that's I think daddy issues are pretty much um you know the underlying cause of everything.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: They're really, really universal, archetypal.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: Um and and I I I try and think of generations less as you were born between this year and this year, and more as so, in terms of millennials, you have this group of people who one day they rolled in a fat-backed television into your seventh grade class, you watched two towers collapse to the ground, and after that day, nothing ever got better ever.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Um you graduated high school in the middle of a once-in-a-lifetime recession.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: You well, you once in a lifetime at that time.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: At that time.
16:08
SPEAKER_00: So far.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: You remember a time when you didn't have to worry about getting shot in school, and now all of a sudden you have to worry about getting shot in school.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: So I see the millennial not as an age category, but as a one foot in the way things were, and the way you know we wish we could, you know, enjoy the world like it was, and then one foot in this new the planet's gonna boil us alive, you're gonna get shot at school, there's gonna be another recession, um, the voting habits of your parents have made it so that you can no longer afford a home or those stories that they told you about their youth in the 80s, you can't have that.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, you can't afford that on your budget.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's what I see, you know, more in that regard.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: And and how to fix that crevasse, I ain't got no fucking idea.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: I so we're we're in the information age.
17:02
SPEAKER_02: That's that's the era we're straddling.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Was is that we we grew up, not ever not all of us had a computer when we were born, and then by the time we were teenagers, we all had a fucking computer.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: And um, and so we're straddling two different ages where I can remember a wall phone.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: I can remember using a corded wall phone, but also I have this technology in my pocket that lets me, you know, you have the library of Alexandria to find it.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: At my fingertips.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: And uh and I think that as uh there's kinks to work out, and I think time will fix it.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: I think just time will fix it.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: I think the olds will die.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying kill the olds, but the olds are going to die.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: They're going to die and they're going to take their really shitty habits with them.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying we should accelerate it, but uh if they refuse to change, that's literally the only uh solution.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh we'll just let time take its course.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, Oscar, what are your thoughts?
17:59
SPEAKER_04: Well, uh, disclaimer that was a joke.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm I'm not joking.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: You heard it here on how to drive first.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Oscar wants every old person dead.
18:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
18:12
SPEAKER_04: Boomers, please don't uh don't at me.
18:15
SPEAKER_04: Uh Oscar.
18:17
SPEAKER_04: They wouldn't understand that.
18:18
SPEAKER_04: Uh anyway.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Sick bird.
18:23
SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know.
18:25
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I do uh I was just thinking about it right now, and like this is such a silly example, but I was talking with one of my co-workers the other day when we had you know a break for for uh winter, and you know, we took vacation and we came back.
18:43
SPEAKER_04: And I remember I hated when um older co-workers would say like that lame joke of like, oh, you know, you would ask them like how how was your vacation, and then they would be like, Oh, you know, it was good, but now I need a vacation for my vacation, and I would just like in my mind roll my eyes and be like these freaking coomers with their stupid jokes.
19:07
SPEAKER_04: But this time around, when I came back to work, I was like, Oh no, like I know what they mean now.
19:16
SPEAKER_04: Like I totally feel like I need a break from like like the break wasn't enough.
19:21
SPEAKER_04: Like, so I just think like a lot of it is um like what Ryan said with empathy is is you know getting to that point where like you experience what they're talking about.
19:33
SPEAKER_04: The only problem is like it's hard for the other side to do that, right?
19:37
SPEAKER_04: Like for the older generation to kind of circle back and say like experience youth, I guess, because that's kind of like something that you can't really do.
19:47
SPEAKER_04: Like you can experience old age, because we're all going to that, but no one can really like go back and be like, this is what it feels like to be young, which is kind of bad because you know you were young at some point, so you should know what it feels like.
20:03
SPEAKER_04: Uh but it is harder somehow.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's interesting.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: I wonder if this problem has existed for all of humanity, and there's like thousands of books written about the misunderstanding of it.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: Almost like this has happened before.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: Um but but no, really, truly, this is like a forever problem is that the old do not understand the young, and the young do not appreciate the old.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: And hopefully the information age can change that.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so I mean, because like you mentioned previously, you know, we are at the the birth of the information age.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: And you know, maybe what this is, this is just kind of those last growing pains before we finally just accept that, hey, welcome to the information age.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we can't fucking keep lying to everybody because you can figure out what a lie is because you have all the information in front of you.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: No, and well, and and see that well, that's brought up an interesting um phenomenon um right now with all this information available.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: People are choosing their own facts.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: And we're now seeing some of the most widespread cult style ideologies.
21:19
SPEAKER_04: You know, because about the email I sent you about Q?
21:22
SPEAKER_00: I said I was Yeah, you you didn't see that my name was in the tube box in that C C list.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: So, so I think that's a whole nother thing.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: I think we should I think we should all kind of ruminate on on what we think about about this chosen facts, but we've seen that when you try to choose your own facts, things devolve.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: Things aren't gonna keep working like that for long.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: Thing we're we're reaching a boiling point, and neither the information age dies, and that basically means the death of humanity as we know it.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: HP Lovecraft is right.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: So we've got that option, or the information age pulls through and we progress past this like humans have done every time historically.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, um, so let's move on to final thoughts.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so James, we're gonna I'm gonna take that as your final as your final thoughts.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Word.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, Oscar, what are your final thoughts on the topic?
22:17
SPEAKER_04: I think I agree with James.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: Uh and you know, just trying to be better and like that that uh you know, on uh I'm gonna sound so bad on both sides.
22:29
SPEAKER_04: Uh you know, like the the older generations kind of have to remember that you know you were once young and this is something that has happened throughout history.
22:40
SPEAKER_04: Uh and the younger generations just have to like have a little bit more appreciation, like totally know what it feels like to think that the older generations don't understand, and that the things that they say like are just not making sense, but you know, once you get to that point you realize that no, yeah, you you're right.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's my thoughts.
23:03
SPEAKER_02: We we have to we can't assume that old people are out of touch about everything, even though they're out of touch about some things.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: I think that's what it is.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, I mean, uh so so just my final thoughts on the on the topic is the the old or or the the uh the elderly need to remember olds with an S.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: The uh the mortality challenged need to remember that uh they were once young.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: The young need to remember that you know one day they're gonna be old.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, these things are gonna happen, and that's just the natural course of it all.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's been stated more than once on this show.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, because Oscar, I feel like you were about to go into a point like that where, hey, look, empathy, and you just gotta be a little better tomorrow, you know, than you were today.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where it comes to.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: So, with that being said, it's time to move into the second part of High and Dry.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: And um, so that means we're getting into our fist fight.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: We've had some drinks, and it's time.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: So this week we got the Scarlet Witch versus Dumbledore.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: And uh, yeah, Wanda Maximov versus Albus Dumbledore.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: It uh it's gonna prove to be an interesting fight.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we have um just teaching faculty versus what what does Wanda do in her spare time?
24:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't actually know.
24:27
SPEAKER_02: Do you know Oscar?
24:28
SPEAKER_02: What does she do in her?
24:29
SPEAKER_02: I guess she lives the sitcom life right now.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: She she's a she's an actor in a sitcom.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
24:36
SPEAKER_04: But that's her free time.
24:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, who am I?
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's the fight.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Now, before we get into the fight, it's time to take one more shot, one more hit, and one more big slug of mead.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: I feel I can feel you being hyper-critical of actresses versus teachers.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm hyper-critical of just Marvel in general.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Let's not get it too into that.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: All right.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Take them.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: So to our two fighters tonight, cheers.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: They're wildly popular and people like them.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about it.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's let's talk about it.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, I just had a I had a Utah shot right there.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, 1.5 ounces, those Mormons really pounding them.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna get a season desist from somebody one day.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: One fucking day.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh the French church.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: The friends of Jesus.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, if I ever got a season desist letter from an organization that large, whoever it was, I would be so happy.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: I'd uh you'd frame it.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I've arrived.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: Hooray!
25:51
SPEAKER_00: I've arrived.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: That that letter would be included in PDF form to any sponsorship memo I sent out.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, yo, check it out.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: Amazon is listening.
26:04
SPEAKER_04: Put it on your CV under awards and recognition.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Seep and desist from Jeff Bezos.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: My opinions are so you know, in touch with you know, the zeitgeist that Jeff Bezos had to say no.
26:23
SPEAKER_04: The richest man in the world like had to like say no to me.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: I threatened his fortune.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, but anyway, so Scarlet Witch versus Dumbledore.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, how our fights work on high and dry.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: It's a patented method that we've devised that has you know been the best method for the past 14, 15, depending on where this airs.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 episodes.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Um really killing it.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Um depending on where this airs, it's been working ever since.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Completely indisputable.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: It's a three-round method.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: The first round, the two characters jump in the ring.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, Brad Pitts looking on after he gives the rules of fight club.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, us high and dry people are hanging out with Carl Urban up in the viewer's box.
27:09
SPEAKER_00: And these two characters take off their shirts, their belts, their shoes, and they just go punch for punch until one of them can't move anymore.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Then we jump into round two, where these two characters existing in an area that's familiar to both or similar, similar to both of their environments, receive a manila envelope underneath the door.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: They now know they have a target and in the town, and they go and take care of it.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: And then finally, round three is the same concept, except this time both of our challengers get to bring a friend.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: And we find oftentimes that that might be the deciding factor, just you know, because friends.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because friends make us strong.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, so jumping right on in, Scarlet Witch versus Dumbledore.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: Dumbledore has just removed all of his robes and he's punching into the corner, just shadow boxing it out.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, Scarlet Witch is you know doing her thing back there, and the two of them are getting ready to face each other.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: They've tapped fists and they start punching.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Who's taking this home?
28:10
SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Oscar?
28:14
SPEAKER_04: So they have no no abilities, right?
28:17
SPEAKER_04: No magical.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Only if they are innate.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: So innate to the point where they were so basic baby Dumbledore or baby Scarlet Witch would have been capable of the same thing.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: They don't get it from any sort of learning, they don't get it from anything like that.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: So, like if Dumbledore happens to be of a species of spellcasters, then yes.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: But um technically, yeah.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Um so for so just in my opinion, I think Scarlet Witch, so I think we have a millennial lady taking they both have their magic.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Do you think they both have their magic?
28:55
SPEAKER_00: They both have their magic, yeah.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, Oscar, what are your initial thoughts?
29:01
SPEAKER_04: So if both have their magic, as far as I kind of know from you know the uh full disclosure, the only exposure I have to Scarlet Witch is through the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: And that's fine, because that's most people who are listening to this is exposure.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, but but before you continue, I do want to let you know Dumbledore doesn't get his wand.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Dumbledore doesn't get his wall.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
29:31
SPEAKER_04: That's that's okay because there is evidence that wait, what?
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Dumbledore had to go.
29:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you mean you mean I see what you're saying.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Like No, no, he he it's like it's like saying they couldn't learn as they grew and that they're fighting as just empty husks.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I guess we're seeing the two of them, you know, Dumbledore.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, so Dumbledore's gonna be in his strongest stage.
29:53
SPEAKER_04: Uh well, I was I was saying that um from what I know from the MCU, like Scarlet Witch apparently has like very powerful powers because she was the one that was gonna be able to destroy that one of the infinity stones, right?
30:13
SPEAKER_04: Uh Dumbledore is like one of the most powerful wizards.
30:17
SPEAKER_04: Oh, sorry, my dog.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: So um I was saying Dumbledore is uh one of the most powerful wizards, but he's not the most powerful.
30:27
SPEAKER_04: Uh so I'm leaning more towards Scarlet Witch right now, but you know, I want to hear what everyone else has.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so Oscar's saying that Scarlet Witch is gonna take it, you know, for her innate overpowering ability.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Um James, thoughts.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: I think that she, in addition to being younger and more agile and stuff, I think Dumbledore would probably go into this fight older because he's more powerful still.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh as an older man, his magic comes from his like willpower almost.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: His knowledge plus his willpower.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: Like that's where your magic comes from.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: So you're just thinking it's this young woman beating up an old man.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: I think it would be a young god beating up an old wizard, is what I think.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I the the only place I personally would have to revert, I mean, change courses with you is I think that we're dealing with Jude Law here.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, as Dumbledore.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: I still think she can kill Jude Law.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean Jude Law is uh just the power of being Jude Law is a lot.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: I I think that's a lot, honestly.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean she's still more powerful than that.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, so this is back when Dumbledore believed in smart three-piece suits.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: This was before his robe days, you know, where he thought that the well, so I mean older Dumbledore, the height of his achievement, is headmaster of an elementary school.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, he was the head of the Order of the Phoenix who took down Hitler, who took down Wizard Hitler.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: But we discussed in a previous episode that Wizard Hitler is only, you know, well, honestly, we're we're making the point for it.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, he was able to beat Hitler, who was only concerned about one particular high school.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: Um Hitler also wasn't a god.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's some things.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, no, I'm gonna go with Scarlet Witch on that one.
32:24
unknown: I agree.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: So uh alright, well, it's time to take it to a vote.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh you don't need to do the vote, we just all told you.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so all across the board, it's going Scarlet Witch, round one.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: We watch Scarlet Witch just punch his face into ground beef.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: She tries to she tries to control his mind.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: He's got resistances to that.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: And then she tears him apart with her reality magic, and that's that.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Alright, well, I mean, me as a as a member who's like sitting up in the boxes with Carl Urban, I was looking forward to watching her punch him to death.
32:57
SPEAKER_04: If this was a swimming competition, then I would say Dumbledore wins because in the sixth book, Harry comments on the fact that uh Dumbledore can swim with a perfect uh stroke.
33:09
SPEAKER_04: So that's all I'm saying.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, sadly, not us not a lot of water in this basement except for like the ones that are dripping from the pipes in the background to set the mood.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: So Dumbledore just got his face pounded to custard in round one, which brings us into round two.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: We now pull back into a city view where these two characters meet on a ground that is familiar to both of them.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: So I have an idea for this because in in the most recent movie, I think it was, I don't know, but uh, she was with Vision in in Scotland, right?
33:49
SPEAKER_02: I think.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so that's where fucking Dumbledore's castle is.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: They're in the same fucking country.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: So we're we're talking about a rural European sort of country.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: Like a village, village, a village with a castle nearby.
34:05
SPEAKER_04: Uh not European Brexit happened.
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, not European.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: Good point.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: That's we've I forgot about the uh third rise of nationalism.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I mean, and that might factor in to what we're about to see.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because Dumbledore has to deal with, you know, territory tariffs and you know, like how is his castle handling getting medicine to and from you know, Boris Johnson now factors, so we'll figure that out as well.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: So round two, Oscar, what are your thoughts?
34:38
SPEAKER_00: Now these characters have all their abilities, all their powers.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: Dumbledore could go out and buy a gun.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: Um Scarlet Witch, though.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: They're like, all right, magic is dumb.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: Here's a gun.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: But they have most importantly, they have all their shit.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they have everything, they have all their things that they own.
34:57
SPEAKER_04: So yes, he has a wand, he has I don't know, the stupid flicker thing that turns off lights.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: He's got that bird.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: He's gonna well, no, no, he doesn't get to bring it.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: No, what?
35:15
SPEAKER_02: Not until round three.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: But that's not his companion, is it?
35:18
SPEAKER_00: It is his companion.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: It's an animal tool.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's no, we we we've ruled before that Kool-Aid Man couldn't have his owls until round three.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: Wait, what?
35:31
SPEAKER_02: We can't get into it right now.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about Kool-Aid Man all day.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, so Oscar thoughts.
35:37
SPEAKER_04: Uh I I still feel like Scarlet Witch would win because like she didn't have to bring anything before, right?
35:45
SPEAKER_04: Like, like her magic is not dependent on stuff.
35:50
SPEAKER_04: Like, neither is Dumbledores, right?
35:52
SPEAKER_04: Like the there's they talk about like wandless magic and all this other stuff, but the way that the books are framed is that he like wizards do better magic or more focused magic with their wand.
36:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:08
SPEAKER_04: Uh so even with that, and then if if he can't call Fox the Phoenix, which you know can probably give him some itch, I I still think Scarlet Witch wins.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: Well, James, you uh what do you have to add?
36:27
SPEAKER_02: So here's the thing is that you're right that Scarlet Witch is all she is her powers.
36:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, she doesn't have she doesn't have a lot of junk that goes along with her, but Dumbledore is all about fucking junk.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: He has so many artifacts, and bring being able to bring those artifacts into it, I think is huge.
36:49
SPEAKER_04: So he can what artifacts are we talking about?
36:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the mirror that could let him have his greatest desire that that Harry used.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: He could use uh he sent that away.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: So no, but but they can have things at the height of their power.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is the height of their power.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: So I mean, Dumbledore has you know he's got the fucking thing that would let him change time.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he has the time turner.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Um I mean, he just freezes time when she's on the toilet.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: And then stabs her with Gryffindor's fucking sword.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I would say so.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: James, you're saying that Dumbledore is bringing the artifacts to the table.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: I would say that Dumbledore is bringing his thematic power to the table.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, so just in terms of you know the hero's journey, Scarlet Witch is the hero.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Dumbledore, in terms of the hero's journey, is the wisened mentor.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: And part of his theme is that after the finale, Dumbledore rolls up, he's like, I knew that was going to happen.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: And I just wanted you to figure it out.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: I would have been able to solve it in ten minutes.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: And I I feel like I just got a lot on my plate right now.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: I feel like back against the wall, Dumbledore's gonna solve it in ten minutes.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: That's my that that's my initial thought.
38:10
SPEAKER_04: So they're trying to solve like a puzzle of some sort, right?
38:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, so what has happened is that both characters have received a manila envelope that it's it's basically an indisputable hey, if you don't go out there and kill the other character for the sake of this podcast, your head will explode, and we're adjusting your character so it's okay, and you're not gonna let your head explode.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: You're just gonna go out there and fight.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: Or someone's held hostage.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you the the whatever would motivate them to fight the other person is motivating.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the narrative allows them to fight each other, and there's none of that, you know.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: We learn to get around it in the end, except for the cool coolie man and gritty.
38:49
SPEAKER_04: Uh, because you know, Zach Snyder's Batman v Superman.
38:55
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
38:56
SPEAKER_04: I still think Scarlet Witch wins.
38:58
SPEAKER_04: Like, I it I was thinking more like you guys were talking about like a task that they had to do, in which case I would definitely say Dumbledore because he like is known for being smart.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the task is to kill the other person.
39:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
39:11
SPEAKER_04: If the task is to kill the other person, I still think Scarlet Witch would win.
39:16
SPEAKER_04: Like, he can't freeze time, by the way.
39:18
SPEAKER_04: I'm getting very uh well, actually, but uh he can't freeze time.
39:22
SPEAKER_04: The time turner only allows people to go back in time.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Um he can go back in time and then kill her then.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: But she's gets the envelope.
39:33
SPEAKER_02: Before she gets the envelope, he'll sneak up behind her and stab her on the shitter.
39:39
SPEAKER_04: Okay, but she still has her powers, though, right?
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but but then but he's also, I don't know, he could have of a good one.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, we we we don't want to jump into the tangent.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Um so Oscar, you're still siding with the Scarlet Witch.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, can I then assume that that's your vote?
40:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: James, what's your vote?
40:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh I got a break with Oscar here.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: I think I think Dumbledore is incredibly clever.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: I think that Wanda often gets dragged along into things or is unwillingly kind of like uh shoved into things, and her mindset often leads to great loss.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: Nobody has managed to kill her yet, um, but they sure almost did.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: And uh and I think Dumbledore is smart enough to take advantage of the way she operates.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: The reason he lost before was because someone like outplanned him, but that's not her strong suit.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:36
SPEAKER_00: Um well then on on my side of it, um so I initially said Jude Law, and and I think where Dumbledore is gonna be able to take this is because he's not Jude Law anymore.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: When he was Jude Law, he was just like Scarlet Witch, you know, and figuring shit out, and I'm gonna try this with my youth, and I'm gonna do this and this, and then now though, he is Dumbledore.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: And um he's like, all right, so I got this envelope.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna go back in time.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna try and kill her on the toilet.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: She's gonna kill me because of her obvious, you know, you know, superiority as far as magic is concerned.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: Then she's gonna get the envelope and she's gonna think, hey, I already did that.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: This is done.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: I can turn in my work.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: And then she opens the door and bam, he stabs her and says, You only killed the time clone.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, or uh, or he's gonna gather Harry close and he's gonna be like, Hey, I killed a woman today.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Goodbye, go back to school.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: You have to deal with that now.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: That's the theme of your books.
41:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, yeah.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: So I think in this case, we are going to override our guests' vote.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: So so in high and dry, when two character when two of the hosts vote one way, the third host's opinion magically changes.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: And don't feel badass because it's happened to all of us.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: We've all had our opinions magically changed by so you agree with us under all circumstances that Dumbledore would have won the second round.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: And uh that's how we you know we provide a unified front.
42:19
SPEAKER_04: Is this is this one of those alternative fact things that I've heard about in this podcast?
42:25
SPEAKER_04: Like a few minutes ago.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: This is this is a this is a social contract that we have all signed by being on this podcast.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh we might as well have never even had a discussion because we all agree.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Moving on to round three, it's the same thing as round two, except time uh this time our characters get a friend.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: So jumping right on in, who do we think the Scarlet Witch is going to bring into this fight?
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Vision.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: Vision.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Vision.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Alright, cool.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: All right.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: He has a lot, he's also a god, so we got two gods.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that'll help.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, now who do we feel um Dumbledore is going to bring?
43:10
SPEAKER_02: What do you think, Oscar?
43:13
SPEAKER_04: That one's a hard one, because like did Dumbledore have friends?
43:19
SPEAKER_03: Or did he just have to use for his you know manipulations?
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh that's that's a great point because I know I know it has gained uh uh popularity and understanding that Dumbledore was a manipulative maniac, but I think it needs to be pointed out.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I would like to point out that I feel that the fandom has taken Harry Potter mythology and theme and uh meaning well beyond what the author had envisioned or thought herself.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm sure.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: Which is good.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I think every day she proves that on her Twitter.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, that um fans of the thing are thinking of it in much more grander, much more understanding terms than even the author.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think she didn't understand the kind of culture.
44:15
SPEAKER_02: That she was the tropes of the culture that she was using because uh because Dumbledore is toxic as shit.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that happens a lot, and and it's sad, but I think that happens a lot in young adult fiction, especially because you do have this um you you have a fleet uh of authors who, you know, just speaking frankly, lack literary training.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so so for example, you have you know the Twilight books, in which they grandize a much older man who is supposed to be much more emotionally mature, seducing a teenager, seducing, and I mean if you watch the movies, outright manipulating this young girl.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and then that in the and then you throw it into the young adult section, and they're like, but it's love, and it's like, no, honey, no.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: That's not love.
45:14
SPEAKER_04: So you're not Tim Edward, that's what I'm hearing.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm not Team Jacob either, because Jacob, so well Jacob used fear and intimidation.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: So I'm calling it.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm calling it.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: I thought we were done.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: I thought we were done.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm calling it.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do that episode next.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so um anyway, who's Dumbledore bringing?
45:38
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so like just for the sake of of you know argument, I would say that if anyone is Dumbledore's friend is McGonagle.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: McGonacle is a great, a great uh great offering there.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: I would say he might have serious black.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: But are they friends?
45:59
SPEAKER_02: That's my thing.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm like, were they friends?
46:02
SPEAKER_00: Well then I would say, so at the peak of Dumbledore's power, I think that he would manipulate Harry into a frontline fighter.
46:10
SPEAKER_04: And then as Harry in the hooks.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and then as Harry is like beginning to die, Dumbledore swoops in from behind and uh you know he does what he has to do.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: Despite Dumbledore's toxicity, he did sacrifice himself instead of having Harry die.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: And you know, he did manipulate him into being a frontline fighter, which I think that's that is a very hilarious point.
46:41
SPEAKER_04: I mean, technically he did manipulate him into thinking that he was gonna, and I'm talking about Harry, he was gonna sacrifice himself so that he would kill Don uh Voldemort's piece of his soul inside him, but also still survive so that he would protect other people.
47:02
SPEAKER_04: Which is like, yeah, that's good, but like you manipulated him into that.
47:05
SPEAKER_04: So, like, is he a friend?
47:08
SPEAKER_04: Harry?
47:09
SPEAKER_02: I would I would say he doesn't get Harry.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't that was what I originally came into, but you but you made a great point about manipulating him to be a frontline fighter.
47:18
SPEAKER_02: That's what he yeah.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: That was the whole fucking book.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he did that like he did that like four fucking times for sure.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: He played Harry like a violin and then cut his strings.
47:33
SPEAKER_04: So all I'm saying is that as far as you know, he manipulates everyone, basically.
47:38
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, he manipulates Yeah, yeah, but he manipulates into like you know being sacked, like people think that he got killed, and you know, I'm not gonna get into this.
47:51
SPEAKER_04: Uh boy.
47:54
SPEAKER_04: I feel that like the only person that really could say like from the books, like you could say like it's a friend, is it's McGonagall.
48:05
SPEAKER_04: It could also be that one time where I saw that SNL skit where like J.K.
48:10
SPEAKER_04: Rowling said that Dumbledore was gay, and then they made a skit about how him and McGonagall were like besties, and like Dumbledore was always talking about like all the men that he liked, and McGonagall is like, oh girl.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
48:25
SPEAKER_02: That version of the those two are fighting in this stuff.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: I think I'm all in a roll with it.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: So is that we're doing McGonagall?
48:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe Hagrid, but I think McGonagall's more powerful.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: No.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: Alright, cool.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: All right, we figured it out.
48:37
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so we have the Scarlet Witch and the Vision.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I forgot.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: We sure spent a lot of time talking about who this old man would bring to this fight.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: And we forgot they're fighting gods against Dumbledore and McGonagall.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm ready to bring this to a vote.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, ask your thoughts.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, James thoughts.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: I think Vision would uh go immaterial through Dumbledore and tear his skull out, and he'd be holding a skull on the other side.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: So um, and then I'm gonna say that yeah, the those two uh those two wizards uh would put up the quick, uh, uh an impressive, a very showy fight.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: It would be a very showy fight, but it would end quickly.
49:33
SPEAKER_04: Do you think Dumbledore would like manipulate Vision into becoming his friend and then betray the Scarlet Witch?
49:40
SPEAKER_04: Hmm.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: Do they get to do that?
49:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, they get to do the same things they did in round two.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, remember, we I'm thinking the Dumbledore.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he killed her on the toilet.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: He could manipulate, he's he is he he had millions, possibly maybe even billions or more people fall in love with him despite him being a manipulative monster and it being like in front of our faces the whole time that he manipulated Harry into all this shit.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think he is a master manipulator, and I think vi vision has actually been shown to be incredibly naive.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: Very naive.
50:21
SPEAKER_02: Incredibly naive.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Do you do you well?
50:24
SPEAKER_00: Are we thinking that uh can turn vision?
50:28
SPEAKER_02: I think vision is uh was almost a path.
50:30
SPEAKER_02: He was a pacifist for a long time.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we could go to the point where he had gotten past his fat pacifism, but also very naive.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, I also I would be uh remiss if I didn't mention that just in American movie culture, moving past pacifism is considered a character arc.
50:51
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: Not moving toward pacifism, only getting over it.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: Getting over pacifism is a character arc that is thought of to be positive.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh good, you're still you're done being dumb.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: It's time to take life.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: Now we can really speed this thing along.
51:12
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so Oscar, what's your vote?
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Who's gonna take this?
51:15
SPEAKER_04: I say Dumbledore manipulates vision.
51:20
SPEAKER_04: I know that kind of leaves McGonagall out of the whole picture, but uh I feel like that's what he would do.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: McGonigal adds legitimacy of someone who is who is like legitimately good hearted.
51:32
SPEAKER_02: Continue the manipulation.
51:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like she's part of the manipulation.
51:36
SPEAKER_02: She's there to be where vision like she's dumped out of vision.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: So Dumbledore knows how to stop people from reading his mind.
51:43
SPEAKER_02: Vision relies on reading people's minds a lot.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: And Dumbledore is like specifically very heavily trained to resist mind.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: In his mind to project India.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: Good.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: How is he not a villain?
51:55
SPEAKER_00: All right, James is a villain.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: James, your vote.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the more we talk about Dumbledore, the more I think that this is really insane.
52:07
SPEAKER_02: Like this, this this insane monster, like, legitimately brings this good-hearted woman who I don't think has the same kind of mind resistance training.
52:15
SPEAKER_02: It's like at least not mentioned.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: No.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: Um and and I think that vision would totally be taken by their good-hearted nature, would not would would totally refuse to attack them and would be manipulated against someone he loves, and that would be his story arc.
52:30
SPEAKER_02: And she and while she was busy killing him, they would kill her, or Dumbledore would kill her, and then McGonagall would be like, oh my god, and he'd be like, bitch, I've been manipulating you.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I think that history shows us the true power of you know, someone who can manipulate on a level of Dumbledore.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you fucking give them magic after that?
52:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh hell.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: So the where the only place I would defer is I think after it's all said and done, um the um I can't think of his name.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Um who's the bad guy of Harry Potter?
53:03
SPEAKER_00: Voldemort.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: Voldemort.
53:05
SPEAKER_02: You didn't want to say his name.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh laugh, laugh.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: Voldemort would show up and he'd be like, I was just trying to warn you.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: I've been you've been manipulated this whole time.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even a bad guy.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even a wizard.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: I just look different.
53:25
SPEAKER_01: Dumbledore cut off my nose.
53:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, and then we see this grainy black and white footage of Dumbledore, you know, using a butter knife to slowly chop off Voldemort's nose.
53:40
unknown: Oh my god.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: It actually turns out that Dumbledore was behind all the like horrify all the all the genocides that that Voldemort was blamed for, and he was just used to slay- Oh my god.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
53:54
SPEAKER_04: I mean he made he could still he could still be Hitler, uh, but like Dumbledore is like the allies, which is you know, they're manipulated countries.
54:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and that's that's what it is.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: And uh JK Rowling, if you could get back to us on that all this, we'd appreciate it.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: We got some questions for you.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm willing to say that it was even Dumbledore who cast Ralph Fines into the role to provide that air of villainy.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: Legitimate villainy.
54:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm thinking.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, there you have it, folks.
54:30
SPEAKER_00: Wow, well, that was crazy.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: I didn't expect that.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: Wow, thanks for coming on that journey with us.
54:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, Jesus.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: Did you imagine that, Oscar, in the third round with Dumble?
54:40
SPEAKER_02: Because Dumbledore took the whole cake that with that third round.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: Straight across.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh no, as a Harry Potter fan, sort of on the laps right now because of you know reasons.
54:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, definitely did not see that coming.
54:55
SPEAKER_04: But now we now we it's good.
54:57
SPEAKER_04: It makes sense.
54:58
SPEAKER_04: It makes sense.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: No, and uh, you know, and this is the this is the sort of you know thing that we need to analyze and figure out.
55:05
SPEAKER_00: This is the question, these are the questions that are on everybody's minds.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: Who are your heroes, people?
55:10
SPEAKER_00: Who are your heroes?
55:12
SPEAKER_00: So you watch your mouth.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: Don't you dare talk bad about my Gandalf.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: Don't you dare.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, so well, honestly, um No, he's a bad guy too.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, thank God that um uh Tolkien is dead, yeah, and he doesn't have a Twitter.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there there would be some pretty terrible shit coming out of his mouth.
55:34
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, he has some words that he'd use that still flew back in his time.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so there it is, everybody.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: Round one went to the Scarlet Witch.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: Round two goes to Scarlet Witch.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: Wait, no, Dumbledore Dumbledore.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: And then round three again goes to Dumbledore straight across.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Bet you didn't see that one coming.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I feel about that one.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, we sure gave it to the villain this time instead of the hero.
55:59
SPEAKER_02: We did because she's like a broken woman and it really sucks.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, she has that modern thematic things that we've been looking at and we've been analyzing that do not allow her to just automatically defeat you know, John McClain style a villain.
56:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's that's what it comes down to.
56:15
SPEAKER_00: So can't argue about it anymore.
56:17
SPEAKER_00: Dumbledore would kill Scarlet Witch, and he would do it very, very insidiously.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, so Oscar, I'd like to thank you for joining us.
56:25
SPEAKER_00: You were great.
56:26
SPEAKER_00: We appreciate it.
56:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, I hope we can have you on again.
56:29
SPEAKER_00: Your insight was fantastic, so thank you.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
56:33
SPEAKER_00: And uh so James, uh, we'll we'll be doing this again soon.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, where can you find us?
56:38
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56:43
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56:44
SPEAKER_02: I actually don't know.
56:46
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56:47
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56:47
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56:51
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56:54
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56:58
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57:04
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57:05
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57:08
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57:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, thanks for listening, and we'll catch you next week.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: Thanks again, Oscar.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: You take it easy.
57:14
SPEAKER_04: See ya.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: Bye.