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Speaker 1: Under the Dogs. Yeah, Under the Dogs, very fare breaking.
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Speaker 1: the Dogs? Under the Dogs.
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Speaker 2: Zeit Guys, the movie two thousand and seven, directed and
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Speaker 2: narrated by a guy named Peter Joseph. Why are recovering
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Speaker 2: this one? Well? In my opinion, this one is sort
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Speaker 2: of the whitman's sampler of conspiracies. Is got Christ myths.
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Speaker 2: It talks about nine to eleven, talks about the Federal Reserve,
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Speaker 2: It gets in the false flight, It gets into a
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of different things, but it kind of does
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Speaker 2: this three dish combo Christ nine to eleven Federal Reserve.
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Speaker 2: And it also got really popular in the very early
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Speaker 2: days of YouTube, like when YouTube had only been around
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Speaker 2: for a year or two. And in fact, I don't
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Speaker 2: even think this movie and its entirety was on YouTube
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Speaker 2: because at that point YouTube would just quick little clips
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Speaker 2: of people going to the zoo and stuff. This one
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Speaker 2: was on Google Video, which doesn't even exist anymore. So
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Speaker 2: this is some og internet conspiracy theory documentary. Zeitgeist. Where
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Speaker 2: were you at when this came out?
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Speaker 3: I was in California, at the time, and I actually
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Speaker 3: got a copy of it from a gas station, a
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Speaker 3: bootleg copy on a burn CPE.
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Speaker 4: To AGRs aegis a little bit.
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Speaker 2: That's the best way to get a documentary about conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theories is that a gas station on like some burned
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Speaker 2: DVD R by someone that you've never really met before.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with like a paper copy of the of the cover,
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Speaker 3: like you know, xerox and black and white.
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Speaker 2: You're like, were you going looking for a conspiracy documentary?
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Speaker 2: They're just like, here you go, zeit, guys, get it.
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Speaker 3: While I taught, well, they actually started doing all kinds
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Speaker 3: of bootlegs.
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Speaker 4: We'd buy there, you know what I mean, And they.
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Speaker 3: Had we Actually the first one I got from there
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Speaker 3: was Michael Moore's nine to eleven movie.
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Speaker 4: I forgot what it's called, but I got that there first.
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Speaker 3: And then they were just always tell us, hey, documentary.
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Speaker 3: We'd always get all the other bootlegs. But we got
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Speaker 3: really big into documentaries and Zeitgeist was probably like you said,
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Speaker 3: it's the money Masters of the two thousands, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, and count yourself lucky man to to see Zeitgeist
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Speaker 2: the movie when it came out is a very special moment.
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Speaker 2: In time, because we just rewatched it, and this is damn.
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Speaker 2: It's a while after his twelve years after it came out,
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Speaker 2: almost over ten years after it came out, and here
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Speaker 2: we are watching all of this go over again and
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Speaker 2: it feels like it was still pretty relevant. So anyway,
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Speaker 2: the one sentence summary of this movie is that Zeitgeist
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Speaker 2: the movie suggested that all organized religion, the global financial system,
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Speaker 2: and all societal constructs are manipultive tools used to control
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Speaker 2: the masses. I can get behind that. Even though it's
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Speaker 2: a pretty generic statement. You know, they're just controlling the masses. Man,
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Speaker 2: it presents a pretty good case.
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Speaker 3: Very good case, and throughout history. It doesn't just start
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Speaker 3: from the two thousands. It pretty much goes to the
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Speaker 3: almost the beginning of time or the beginning of written history.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's plot the course on this one. The
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Speaker 2: movie itself is broken up into three distinct sections, and
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Speaker 2: let's just go through the three sections. The first one
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Speaker 2: is titled The Greatest Story Ever Told, and basically the
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Speaker 2: premise is that the oldest religion that humans know came
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Speaker 2: from tracking the sun and tracking the stars and then
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Speaker 2: forming these constellations in a zodiac. Is sort of a
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Speaker 2: helpful way to keep in mind exactly where we're at,
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Speaker 2: and that eventually the zodiac became personified constellations and their movements,
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Speaker 2: and they became telling stories about these different constellation movements.
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Speaker 2: It goes over so many different gods and cultures and religions,
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Speaker 2: but essentially they drive in that Horus is the Sun,
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Speaker 2: that all Western religions basically came from Egypt, and that
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Speaker 2: these Egyptian mythology is the source for everything else that
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Speaker 2: came after. That's a pretty broad stroke of the brush,
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Speaker 2: but that's kind of what they declare in this in
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Speaker 2: what you.
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Speaker 3: Said is kind of how you could summarize it and
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Speaker 3: simplify because there is so much information throughout history of
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Speaker 3: different gods, and they don't they even stop where that
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Speaker 3: you could tell. At one point they were like, oh,
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Speaker 3: that's a little much. But for me, I talk about you,
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Speaker 3: but this, like, I mean, I'm not a huge religious guy.
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Speaker 4: I grew up in the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 3: And this was like a oh moment, like where I'm like, dang,
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Speaker 3: like this this just solidifies everything I've been thinking about
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Speaker 3: the negativity of religion.
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Speaker 2: So there was a movie that came out right before Zeitgeist,
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Speaker 2: and let me just say that the Zeitgeist again, it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like a whitman's sampler, but it doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: that they put out any brand new information. It's just
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Speaker 2: a really good mixtape, a great compilation of other information.
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Speaker 2: And there was a movie that came out a year
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Speaker 2: or two before this one, and it was called The
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Speaker 2: God Who Isn't There and it was about this kid
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Speaker 2: that had grown up super religious his entire life and
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Speaker 2: also came across a lot of this exact same research
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Speaker 2: about Jesus being this archetype that goes back. Anyways, if
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Speaker 2: you're interested in that particular topic, I highly recommend that
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Speaker 2: documentary to The God Who Wasn't There. The second part
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Speaker 2: of Zeitgeist is called All the World's a Stage, And
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Speaker 2: just to summarize it briefly, nine to eleven was an
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Speaker 2: inside jobs. That's pretty much the second Well, we'll get
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Speaker 2: into the details on that, and then the final or
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Speaker 2: at least the third act says don't mind the men
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Speaker 2: behind the curtain, and this is basically saying the bankers
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Speaker 2: are behind everything, and talks about central banks, to irs,
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Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve. It's essentially a summary of money Masters,
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Speaker 2: but maybe a twenty to thirty minute summary of money Masters.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of consolidates it instead of the three
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Speaker 3: hours that you would have to sit through, and you.
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Speaker 4: Know, doesn't go as thorough.
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Speaker 3: So sometimes it's a little shaky on some of the
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Speaker 3: evident they provide because there is more details, but they
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Speaker 3: didn't have enough time.
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Speaker 2: All right, So strap in because we're gonna start whipping
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Speaker 2: through a whole bunch of the claims they make, and
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Speaker 2: I'm breaking these up into sections. So first, that Jesus
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Speaker 2: never existed. That's basically the claim is that there was
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Speaker 2: no historical Jesus. In the process of researching some of
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Speaker 2: these little tidbits, there's a name for this called historacity
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Speaker 2: or historicity, which means like how accurate your version of
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Speaker 2: history is. Anyways, there's your word for the day. So again,
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Speaker 2: the claim is that Jesus never existed, That Egypt is
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Speaker 2: the source of all Western religions, that modern Christianity was
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Speaker 2: the result mainly of a political movement based on Roman religions,
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Speaker 2: and that this religious myth the most power that you know,
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Speaker 2: political devices have ever created, a smith to authority and
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Speaker 2: give this blind faith in God. They make a very
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Speaker 2: strong case that once in mass people just gave up
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Speaker 2: and said, let's let Jesus take the wheel and the
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Speaker 2: church will let us know how good of a job
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Speaker 2: we're doing. That it was all sort of downhill from there.
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Speaker 3: To sum it up for me, and I've said it
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Speaker 3: many times, but it's like the Book of Eli.
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Speaker 4: It's basically the Book.
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Speaker 3: Of Eli boiled down of where hey, some guys rewriting
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Speaker 3: history to control the masses through religion.
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Speaker 2: So let's go through some of the specific claims. Here
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Speaker 2: we go that Horace was born on December twenty fifth,
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Speaker 2: born of a virgin isis marked by a star in
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Speaker 2: the east, adored by three kings. He was a teacher
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Speaker 2: by twelve, baptized at thirty twelve disciples before Mihicles, was
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Speaker 2: called the Lamb of God. He was crucified, he died
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Speaker 2: for three days, he was resurrected, and then they show
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Speaker 2: this comparison between not just Orus and Jesus, but by
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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of other gods, addis christa, dianices Mithra.
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Speaker 2: They actually have a list of like twenty other names.
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Speaker 2: It just whips by and they intentionally make them go
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Speaker 2: by fast, just so you're like, man, there's so many
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Speaker 2: more that fit all this, and I just need to
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Speaker 2: point out that again, this is not new information for Zeitgeist.
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Speaker 2: They even quote this guy, Gerald Massey at the very
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Speaker 2: beginning of the movie as it's starting up in this
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Speaker 2: long twenty minute intro. He was an egypt taught like
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Speaker 2: a self taught egyptologist and a poet, and he wrote
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Speaker 2: this book called The Natural Genesis in eighteen eighty three
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Speaker 2: that basically says that Christ came from Morris. And then
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Speaker 2: there was another book that was in eighteen seventy five,
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Speaker 2: even before that, one by a guy named Kersey Graves
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Speaker 2: called the World's sixteen Crucified Saviors. And that's where Zeitgeist
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Speaker 2: gets its other list of all these different gods. So
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Speaker 2: we're talking about research from eighteen seventy five, like almost
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years old that Zeitgeist just kind
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Speaker 2: of makes new again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that nobody knew about it and it's now relevant
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Speaker 3: to the public where no one's digging through a lot
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Speaker 3: of this research. And that's part of this documentary is
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Speaker 3: it's it's just a patch job of a lot of
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Speaker 3: other people's works. But we could get into that a
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Speaker 3: little bit more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's good. So here are some of the
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Speaker 2: key the screpancies or the similarities that they bring up
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Speaker 2: between all these different gods. That they all have disciples
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Speaker 2: of twelve, they all have this three day death, they
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Speaker 2: all have a rebirth, and they this movie does a
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of asking question and then immediately answering their
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Speaker 2: own question. So their question is why all these similarities,
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Speaker 2: And the answer is because it's all astrological, that the
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Speaker 2: star in the east is serious, that the Christmas is
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Speaker 2: used as this date because Christmas is the day that
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Speaker 2: the three stars in Orion's belt, also known as the
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Speaker 2: Three Kings, they all point directly at the Sun's birth
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Speaker 2: at winter solstice. So this is the Eastern Star and
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Speaker 2: the three Wise Kings all astrological. That the Virgin and
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Speaker 2: the virgin birth is actually the constellation Virgo, who is
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Speaker 2: also called the House of Bread, and one of the
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Speaker 2: representations is this virgin holding a shaft of wheat, and
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Speaker 2: that the word Bethlehem literally translates to house of bread,
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Speaker 2: which refers to a place in the sky, not on
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Speaker 2: the earth quote from the movie. So they go really
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Speaker 2: really hard in the fact that this whole entire Christmith
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Speaker 2: is all about astrology. It also mentions December twenty second,
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Speaker 2: twenty third, and twenty fourth, This is when the sun
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Speaker 2: is at its lowest point on the Southern Cross, which
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Speaker 2: is essentially the so you would wake up and every
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Speaker 2: day for three days, the sun's just sitting in the
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Speaker 2: same spot that it was the day before, which is
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Speaker 2: somewhat of an anomaly compared to all the other days
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Speaker 2: of the year. And this is what the the sun
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Speaker 2: dying for three days on the cross. And then on
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Speaker 2: the twenty fifth, this we come out again. It raises
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Speaker 2: up one full degree, so this is the sun resurrecting
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Speaker 2: itself on that third day. And one of the other
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Speaker 2: points they make is that we don't really celebrate spring
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Speaker 2: equinox until the sun fully overtakes the moon, which means
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Speaker 2: that the days are officially now longer than night. And
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Speaker 2: this is fully you know, Christ conquering death or life
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Speaker 2: conquering death, light conquering the darkness.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they really compare and drive home the sun god.
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Speaker 3: Theory of Jesus being the sun God quote unquote, without
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Speaker 3: saying maybe necessary, that the.
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Speaker 2: Twelve Disciples are the twelve constellations. They point out twelve tribes, stunts, judges, patriarchs, prophets, kings, princes.
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Speaker 2: These are all from the Bible, these numbers of twelve.
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Speaker 2: That the cross with the sun behind it, if you
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Speaker 2: just look at the top of a like a church steeple,
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Speaker 2: and it's got that cross, it's got the little circle
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Speaker 2: in the background, which is like the sun. That really,
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Speaker 2: if you zoom out, that's just a shorthand reference to
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Speaker 2: the zodiac. That if you were to draw the zodiac,
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Speaker 2: you draw on this cross, and then you draw a
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Speaker 2: little circle around it and put all the little, you know,
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Speaker 2: symbols in between these different axes on the cross. But
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Speaker 2: really the cross with the circle that means Zodiac doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean Jesus or anyone on the right. And they even
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Speaker 2: mentioned how the crown of thorns are the sun raysed
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Speaker 2: from the corona of the Sun, the light of the world.
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Speaker 2: That goes on and on and on about making this
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Speaker 2: point that it is the literal sun God, and then
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Speaker 2: it actually gets into a pretty decent explanation of the
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Speaker 2: procession of the equinox and ages. So the highlights are
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Speaker 2: that ages are twenty one hundred and fifty years long.
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Speaker 2: Each age represents that the sun basically rises in a
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Speaker 2: different constellation throughout that entire age. That this entire cycle
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Speaker 2: to go through every single age takes about twenty six
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Speaker 2: thousand years. That's for the sun to go through all
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Speaker 2: the twelve zodiac signs. That we're currently in Pisces until
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Speaker 2: about twenty one to fifty. So unfortunately we're stuck in Pisces,
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Speaker 2: like we're probably not going to live to see the
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Speaker 2: full age of Aquarius age. Those Age of Aquarius starts
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Speaker 2: in twenty one fifty and it goes to like forty
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Speaker 2: three hundred, and I don't know, something special happens on
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Speaker 2: that exact day or it's more of like a gradual transition,
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Speaker 2: and that this whole idea of new age and new agism,
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Speaker 2: And you might think about hippies like running around in
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Speaker 2: the forest, you know, smelling like petuoli and like smoking weed,
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Speaker 2: But really new Age means that we're on the cusp
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Speaker 2: of the sun rising in this completely new sign and
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Speaker 2: that this makes a difference on how everyone thinks. I'll
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Speaker 2: keep going, but yeah, what do you think about the
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Speaker 2: New Age and the constellation breakdown?
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Speaker 3: I thought they did a well job, a good job
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Speaker 3: of presenting it, and it makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Whether you agree or disagree with a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of the statements that are made or things that are presented,
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Speaker 3: it does make sense, and you can put it into
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Speaker 3: a context of like, yeah, that this is a new age.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the math checks out, a lot of
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Speaker 2: the symbols check out. For example, he mentions how Moses
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Speaker 2: there's a story he comes down and he tells everyone
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Speaker 2: to kill their brothers and their neighbors and kill your
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Speaker 2: hanions because they were worshiping this golden bull. And what
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Speaker 2: really's talking about is the neighbors on the zodiac that
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Speaker 2: you need to stop worshiping this old god. Kill your
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Speaker 2: old bull, because that was the age of Taurus, which
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Speaker 2: was from forty three hundred BC, and it ended in
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Speaker 2: twenty one to fifty BC. So if anyone was still
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Speaker 2: worshiping golden caps after twenty one and fifty BC, then
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Speaker 2: they were worshiping the old times. They needed to like
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Speaker 2: get with it, they need to update their firmware a
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Speaker 2: little bit. And that Moses represented the ram and the
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Speaker 2: rams horn, and that's why that's such a strong symbol.
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Speaker 2: There's even some depictions of him having like the two horns.
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Speaker 2: But this is because Moses represented Aris, which was the
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Speaker 2: age that came after Taurus. You also have got Mithra,
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Speaker 2: who was the bullers. He's shown slaying the bull because
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Speaker 2: again this was the next age that was moving out
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Speaker 2: with the old and in with the new, and that
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Speaker 2: Jesus represents Pisces. He feeds with fish, he teaches people
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Speaker 2: how to fish, the feeding of the plenty, like all
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Speaker 2: of these different aspects and him being a fisherman is
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Speaker 2: really about this astrological sign. So and they make this
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Speaker 2: a quote that I love in conspiracy documentaries and podcasts.
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Speaker 2: We do it ourselves. Sometimes it's like most people don't
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Speaker 2: know that Jesus is really a pagan symbol, and like
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Speaker 2: I love, I love the calls to like most it's
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Speaker 2: such a weasel word.
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Speaker 4: You might not know this. I'm gonna tell you for
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Speaker 4: the first time.
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Speaker 2: And then essentially they summarize us all, how how has
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Speaker 2: everyone fallen for this crazy you know, grift If it's
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Speaker 2: all talking about astrological son God, why is everyone fighting
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Speaker 2: wars over essentially with the same thing. And he mentions
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Speaker 2: that the King James in particular was a translation and
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Speaker 2: they mistranslate some very key concepts. One of those being
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Speaker 2: the end of the world, and really the original writing
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Speaker 2: doesn't translate as end of the world, that it translates
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Speaker 2: to end of the aon or end of the age,
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Speaker 2: meaning that it's just this cycle that keeps going forever.
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Speaker 2: That one little mistranslation, as this movie claims, though, that
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Speaker 2: gives rise to the whole entire premise of end of
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Speaker 2: days and revelation and we're living in end times. That
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Speaker 2: just one word from from world to aon, from all
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Speaker 2: of time to all of age completely changes the definition,
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Speaker 2: and that governments thrive on this to like, oh, people
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Speaker 2: actually feel that there's this impending doom. We can capitalize
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Speaker 2: on this.
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Speaker 4: And you're right that this is not a new thing.
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Speaker 3: It's another information piece that has been a little bit
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Speaker 3: recycled where a lot of people also said end of
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Speaker 3: an error like end of the Roman error, right, like
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Speaker 3: maybe it was specific to that time and not this
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Speaker 3: end of the world end of ages, but it did
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Speaker 3: get people diving into this like, well, we're about to
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Speaker 3: all die ready for the rapture?
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Speaker 2: Right who who in the world is writing a book
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Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, people are going to be reading
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Speaker 2: this in two thousand and years, and is totally going
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Speaker 2: to hold up right. And the movie does a pretty
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Speaker 2: good job because it transitions and it finds a decent
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Speaker 2: segue from talking about this this christ myth, as it
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Speaker 2: calls it, transitioning into this all the worlds of the stage.
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Speaker 2: And the way they do is they set up this
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Speaker 2: premise and they say that all of this christ myth
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Speaker 2: was solidified and this Council of nicea shout out to
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Speaker 2: Dan Brown and you know, Da Vinci Code and everything.
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Speaker 2: They do a pretty good illustration this. But the Council
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Speaker 2: and I see it, they come together and the Vatican
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Speaker 2: solidifies this like political religious power in enforcing here's the
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Speaker 2: way it is. And one of the downsides that Zeitgeist
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Speaker 2: claims is that this enforces this mythological thinking, this Jesus
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Speaker 2: take the wheel thinking. And this also means that now
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Speaker 2: politics and religion can share some of the same attributes.
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Speaker 2: And they don't outright explain this, but such a great
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Speaker 2: freaking clip and very topical, but it shows Tucker Carlson,
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Speaker 2: and Tucker Carlson is basically yelling at somebody or yelling
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Speaker 2: at the TV screen on his news program saying, anyone
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Speaker 2: that questions nine to eleven is blasphemous. So they're basically
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Speaker 2: equating questioning your government to questioning your faith or questioning
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Speaker 2: your God, as if these two things are comparable. And
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Speaker 2: then he goes into that in the next section.
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Speaker 3: But they did a really good job of being in
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Speaker 3: the times because if you remember, during nine to eleven,
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Speaker 3: there was this huge push or God bless America and
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Speaker 3: you know, stick together and God we trust. Like this
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Speaker 3: new form and bond of religion and government being in
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Speaker 3: hand in hand was developed, well, not developed, but created
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Speaker 3: pretty much after nine to eleven.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, just exploited easily, easily. So the second section
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Speaker 2: of this movie, in these three different sections, all the
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Speaker 2: world's of stage. It starts out with lots and lots
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Speaker 2: of quotes about nine to eleven being a controlled demolition
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Speaker 2: by news anchors, a whole bunch of footage that was
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Speaker 2: recorded that morning as it was all unfolding from you know,
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Speaker 2: BBC and ABC and all the different news programs. Then
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Speaker 2: it shows a whole bunch of the anchors. It shows
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Speaker 2: witnesses all talking specifically about secondary explosions and planet devices
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Speaker 2: that were inside the building and hearing explosions and different
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Speaker 2: orders that were distinct from the planes and in the tower.
20:33
Speaker 2: So it's here's just a whole bunch of different quotes,
20:36
Speaker 2: and you'll see this movie does that a lot. They
20:37
Speaker 2: just play other people talking in order to kind of
20:40
Speaker 2: create their narrative. And then it shows a whole bunch
20:42
Speaker 2: of clips of politicians staying a very similar phrase of like,
20:47
Speaker 2: we had no prior knowledge, no one saw this coming,
20:50
Speaker 2: no one could have guessed this was going to happen.
20:52
Speaker 2: And then they immediately cite able Danger, which is an
20:56
Speaker 2: official government program by the DoD that's specific or I
21:00
Speaker 2: think it was a FEMA thing that specifically considered this
21:05
Speaker 2: exact scenario of a plane flying into the twin towers
21:08
Speaker 2: and what the emergency response would be.
21:11
Speaker 3: And this goes back to I think part of the
21:13
Speaker 3: film of where they're taking from like other films, and
21:17
Speaker 3: they've kind of mashed it together. That's why I feel
21:19
Speaker 3: like it's just a giant pot together with a bunch
21:21
Speaker 3: of different conspiracies, which is good.
21:23
Speaker 4: It's a great thing to get things started.
21:25
Speaker 3: And that the information nine to eleven was lifted a
21:28
Speaker 3: lot from a couple other films like Loose Change and
21:31
Speaker 3: things like that.
21:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this movie is a great mixtape.
21:34
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the best analogy.
21:36
Speaker 2: And then it talks about how Bush met the bin
21:39
Speaker 2: Laden's after having a meeting with the Carlisle group. Doesn't
21:42
Speaker 2: get at a whole lot of detail. It just starts
21:44
Speaker 2: listing a whole bunch of these different little breadcrumbs for
21:46
Speaker 2: you to follow. It mentions a little bit of the
21:50
Speaker 2: jet fuel not being able to melt steel. So here's
21:53
Speaker 2: some of the origin of the jet fuel. Can you
21:56
Speaker 2: know melt still beams? Mean? It shows an actual interview
22:00
Speaker 2: with Les Robertson, who was the World Trade Center structural engineer,
22:05
Speaker 2: saying to the camera that the building was specifically designed
22:09
Speaker 2: to be hit by a Boeing seven oh seven. Les Robertson,
22:13
Speaker 2: a lot of people will I hear this in other
22:16
Speaker 2: interviews and reviews. They're like, Leslie, she did this. It's
22:19
Speaker 2: a dude. His name was Leslie. Deal with it. I
22:21
Speaker 2: had uncle named Leslie. Was a guy. It's a guy's name.
22:24
Speaker 2: Then they go into free fall claims. Then they show
22:27
Speaker 2: firefighters immediately like that week after talking about seeing molten
22:32
Speaker 2: steel and these rivers of lava and all this other
22:34
Speaker 2: even under Building seven. They're repeating all this stuff. They
22:38
Speaker 2: talk about the NORAD stand down. They talk about all
22:41
Speaker 2: these different military exercises that were going on at the
22:44
Speaker 2: exact same time that nine to eleven was happening. One
22:46
Speaker 2: of those called Vigilant Warrior, which essentially saw all the
22:51
Speaker 2: fighter jets scattered as far away as they possibly could
22:54
Speaker 2: from being able to reach this in time, we'll get
22:57
Speaker 2: we'll get into this in more detail in a future documentary.
23:00
Speaker 2: Then the movie Zeit Guy starts to slowly transition into
23:04
Speaker 2: not just nine to eleven, but just war on terrorism
23:07
Speaker 2: and how having this war against an abstract concept is
23:11
Speaker 2: sort of the perfect war because it can't ever end,
23:14
Speaker 2: you can't really have metrics on how well you're doing.
23:17
Speaker 2: And then it talks about the seven seven London bombings
23:20
Speaker 2: and draws a lot of parallels about how they also
23:23
Speaker 2: had you know, no one could have seen this coming,
23:25
Speaker 2: We had no prior knowledge. Yet there were all these
23:28
Speaker 2: government programs showing that they had practiced as exact scenario,
23:32
Speaker 2: and that they had exercises running that morning dealing with
23:37
Speaker 2: those same exact trains and the same exact scenarios. That
23:40
Speaker 2: pulls it off, and people on the radio scrambling like,
23:43
Speaker 2: is this part of the simulation or is this real life?
23:46
Speaker 2: Which is so eerie to hear them saying the same
23:49
Speaker 2: thing in seven seven and nine eleven.
23:52
Speaker 3: And I think this part of the film really is
23:54
Speaker 3: designed and set up to like kind of be a
23:58
Speaker 3: tug on your emotions.
23:59
Speaker 4: Right. It's kind of showing you a bunch of information,
24:02
Speaker 4: but really quick.
24:03
Speaker 3: It's going through it and telling you, hey, the government
24:06
Speaker 3: did this, but it's trying to tie it all in together.
24:09
Speaker 3: And a lot of the shots are emotional, right because
24:11
Speaker 3: it brings back people to the trauma of that time.
24:13
Speaker 3: And I think that was the intent of this part
24:15
Speaker 3: of the film to kind of rock you into the
24:17
Speaker 3: next section, paired.
24:20
Speaker 2: With some hip hop and some drumming bass and like
24:24
Speaker 2: a decent soundtrack Compared to any other documentary that you
24:27
Speaker 2: might see coming out up until now, they were starting
24:29
Speaker 2: to understand how the same way that like a DJ works,
24:32
Speaker 2: the crowd, whoever was putting these movies together understands how
24:36
Speaker 2: to like work the audience.
24:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was no longer just press record and start
24:41
Speaker 3: talking and have poor micing and zero transition. It really
24:46
Speaker 3: sets a new standard for what we're expecting out of
24:49
Speaker 3: conspiracy documentaries.
24:51
Speaker 2: The final section, Part three it's called don't mind the
24:54
Speaker 2: Men behind the Curtain. And I'll be a little bit
24:57
Speaker 2: brief on this one because really it's just summarize at
25:01
Speaker 2: a very surface level everything that we went over in
25:03
Speaker 2: Money Masters. It was like someone watched Money Masters and said,
25:07
Speaker 2: how do I give all the high points in like
25:09
Speaker 2: a fifteen to twenty minutes. That's what you get in Zeitgeist.
25:12
Speaker 2: So the main things they bring up is again this
25:16
Speaker 2: rhetoric where they ask question to answer it. So they
25:19
Speaker 2: pose this question what is a central bank? And they
25:22
Speaker 2: kind of self define it by something that controls interest
25:26
Speaker 2: rates and money supply, and they really hammer in this
25:29
Speaker 2: concept that money that comes from a central bank is
25:33
Speaker 2: loaned to the government and lets them use it. It's
25:36
Speaker 2: not like the government owns their own money. They're renting
25:39
Speaker 2: it from some other company that says, we'll take care
25:41
Speaker 2: of the interest rates and the supply. You just let
25:44
Speaker 2: us know when you need some and we'll put it
25:46
Speaker 2: up for you and we'll kind of handle all the
25:48
Speaker 2: numbers for you. So that money gets loan to the
25:50
Speaker 2: government with interest, and that because of this dynamic, the
25:55
Speaker 2: only thing that it can produce on an infinite timeline
25:59
Speaker 2: is just debt, so that the outcome is slavery. And
26:02
Speaker 2: I understand how charged that statements like oh man, all
26:07
Speaker 2: money is debt and debt makes us slaves, but they
26:10
Speaker 2: make a very very compelling point, and they're like, no
26:12
Speaker 2: matter what job you've got, whether you work for the man,
26:15
Speaker 2: whether you work for yourself and do self employment, tax,
26:18
Speaker 2: whatever you do, you're basically working at minimum three months
26:22
Speaker 2: of the year just to pay taxes, just to be
26:26
Speaker 2: allowed to exist legally. You're spending three months of your
26:30
Speaker 2: entire year just going to that, and that does kind
26:32
Speaker 2: of make it feel like, you know, every year we
26:36
Speaker 2: have to get locked up for three months and just
26:38
Speaker 2: work on the chain gang until we're done, and then
26:41
Speaker 2: we can go back to living life, which is kind
26:43
Speaker 2: of crazy, but that's sort of a real scenario.
26:46
Speaker 3: It is a real scenario, and it kind of gets
26:48
Speaker 3: us into the whole not miss but like a lot
26:51
Speaker 3: of the things and the lure behind the Rockefellers, Morgans
26:55
Speaker 3: and the roth Child's and Jacko Island, which was introduced
26:59
Speaker 3: through a different types of media, and what we did last.
27:03
Speaker 2: Episode on the Money Masters.
27:06
Speaker 3: Money Masters episode where it really reveals the banking industry and.
27:12
Speaker 2: This one also goes into some more specifics. Yeah, they
27:16
Speaker 2: drop all the heavy hitter names, Rockers, Morgan's, Wathraws, Everybo,
27:20
Speaker 2: the Warburgs, a lot of people. Usually you know, everyone
27:24
Speaker 2: always misses this name, but really the Warburgs. This is
27:27
Speaker 2: little orphaned Andy and Daddy Warbucks. Daddy Warbucks was Paul
27:30
Speaker 2: Warburg and that was another influential name in the jacoiland
27:35
Speaker 2: Hunt club and passing the Federal Reserve. And the movie
27:38
Speaker 2: goes on to talk about how the sixteenth Amendment was
27:41
Speaker 2: never ratified. This is a rabbit hole on its own right.
27:44
Speaker 2: It almost dovetails into sovereign citizen area. I'm sure this
27:48
Speaker 2: will come up again in a future episode. And then
27:52
Speaker 2: they kind of wrap it up by saying, war is
27:55
Speaker 2: this one thing that forces a country to borrow money.
27:58
Speaker 2: If you go to war, you absolutely have to rely
28:01
Speaker 2: on these central bankers in order to raise all the resources.
28:04
Speaker 2: You need to buy all the stuff to go to war.
28:07
Speaker 2: So war is the most profitable for bankers. The banker
28:11
Speaker 2: has to loan money so you can go to war.
28:13
Speaker 2: They're making money. Regardless of the outcome of the war.
28:16
Speaker 2: They're making money. So therefore war is the ultimate profit
28:20
Speaker 2: for bankers. So when you hear like all these war
28:22
Speaker 2: pigs or these bankers are making us go to war,
28:25
Speaker 2: I mean there is a very real connection between these two.
28:28
Speaker 2: You're not just firing from the hip and throwing out
28:31
Speaker 2: evil bankers. That bankers do indeed make money from war.
28:35
Speaker 2: And then they end on a pretty selacious claim. They
28:39
Speaker 2: mentioned how World War one, World War two, Vietnam nine
28:45
Speaker 2: to eleven, and probably others, but they were all based
28:48
Speaker 2: on false flags, that none of those wars would have
28:51
Speaker 2: happened unless it was this unseen hand working behind the
28:55
Speaker 2: scenes trying to convince the United States to get into
28:59
Speaker 2: these conflicts, specifically through false flag events.
29:03
Speaker 3: And they do make a compelling argument, and experially, if
29:06
Speaker 3: you have a conspiratorial mind, you will see that they
29:09
Speaker 3: do line up well.
29:10
Speaker 4: In the way that we think at least so.
29:15
Speaker 2: And they do bother to bring it to a full conclusion.
29:18
Speaker 2: And they explain the namesake of this movie Zeitgeist. So
29:22
Speaker 2: at the very end of the movie, as he's kind
29:24
Speaker 2: of summarizing everything, he says that a zeitgeist is this
29:29
Speaker 2: method that the mass media and the state and the
29:31
Speaker 2: bankers and everybody else they harness this to keep everyone
29:36
Speaker 2: in a perpetual state of fear and entertainment and that's
29:40
Speaker 2: what the zeitgeist is. And then he cites Aaron Russo,
29:44
Speaker 2: which we're gonna watch his movie too in this series,
29:46
Speaker 2: but Aaron Russo talking about how he gets invited to
29:50
Speaker 2: meet one of the Rockefellers and that the Rockefeller guy
29:52
Speaker 2: gave him advanced knowledge of nine to eleven and basically
29:55
Speaker 2: admits to all the claims. In this movie. Aaron Russo
29:58
Speaker 2: serves as a and Rockefeller told me all this himself,
30:01
Speaker 2: So we'll get into that in a future. One another
30:04
Speaker 2: thing that that firmly dates this movie to about two
30:07
Speaker 2: thousand and seven when it came out is it talks
30:10
Speaker 2: about RFI D chips on the way out, which is
30:13
Speaker 2: a little bit dated because RFID never really picked up
30:16
Speaker 2: that much. In fact, we've got way better ways of
30:19
Speaker 2: tracking people now, like just your cell phone for example,
30:22
Speaker 2: Like we don't need to chip everybody, but you can
30:25
Speaker 2: tell like on the way out of the room, zeitgeist
30:28
Speaker 2: is just like popping shots off at everybody. They're like
30:30
Speaker 2: damn an RFID and bam.
30:32
Speaker 3: Aaron Russo, Yeah, he don't forget about this. A watch
30:36
Speaker 3: out for this it really like starts to make a
30:38
Speaker 3: claim where you're gonna be controlled in another method. Like
30:42
Speaker 3: that's why I think they went from the beginning of
30:45
Speaker 3: history to like what's going to be the future, And
30:47
Speaker 3: at the time, that's what they thought the future was
30:50
Speaker 3: gonna be.
30:56
Speaker 2: A little bit of hidden treasure, a little bit of
30:57
Speaker 2: overboard stuff. I'll go through mine and then you'll go
31:01
Speaker 2: through yours. So for me, the hidden treasure here is
31:05
Speaker 2: like I said in the opening, that this is a
31:07
Speaker 2: Whitman sampler of conspiracy theory. You might not go up
31:10
Speaker 2: to your friends and be like, hey, check out this
31:13
Speaker 2: three hour documentary and this one and this one. Here
31:16
Speaker 2: you go, do you have a nine hours free to
31:18
Speaker 2: watch a whole bunch of stuff? Here go and watch
31:20
Speaker 2: these nine hours. You're probably not gonna get a lot
31:22
Speaker 2: of people they're gonna clear their schedule and watch nine
31:24
Speaker 2: hours of stuff, But you might be able to get
31:27
Speaker 2: someone to watch Zeitgeist for slightly under two hours. And
31:31
Speaker 2: now they've got enough breadcrumbs that oh my god, I
31:34
Speaker 2: never heard that about Mithra or I never heard that
31:37
Speaker 2: about Jacko Islanders. They're gonna come away with something. Even
31:40
Speaker 2: me rewatching this, like damn I forgot about that. Oh yeah,
31:44
Speaker 2: what a great you know point, Like, I've seen this
31:46
Speaker 2: movie plenty of times, but it's so jam packed with
31:49
Speaker 2: stuff it's impossible to not catch something. And uh, I
31:54
Speaker 2: guess part of the benefit that it uses so many
31:56
Speaker 2: other people's quotes and claims and it makes it a
31:59
Speaker 2: little bit timeless. It's not just this one dude's opinion.
32:02
Speaker 2: It's like fifty different people's opinions packaged up and kind
32:06
Speaker 2: of portrayed in a way that there's a cohesive story
32:09
Speaker 2: to it, which is not easy to do. So to me,
32:11
Speaker 2: that's really the highlight great edits good music. They add
32:16
Speaker 2: some custom animations of like horuce fighting set, and there's
32:20
Speaker 2: one where God drops one of the tablets with the
32:23
Speaker 2: ten commandments and it falls on this like little abstract
32:26
Speaker 2: art dude. They also have a really great visual of
32:29
Speaker 2: the sun traveling through all these different ages and showing
32:33
Speaker 2: how they align with the zodiac. So I'm a very
32:36
Speaker 2: visual person, and them showing exactly what they're talking about
32:39
Speaker 2: and what they mean when they say the sun dies
32:42
Speaker 2: and it rises or how it goes these different ages.
32:44
Speaker 2: Actually seeing that in three D with this huge zodiac,
32:48
Speaker 2: I think was probably the highlight of this movie for me.
32:51
Speaker 3: And for me I agree with the visuals because I
32:54
Speaker 3: complained a little bit about Money Masters, you know, and
32:57
Speaker 3: not having the greatest transitions in music.
32:59
Speaker 4: It's almost almost like pre social media. Put it all together.
33:03
Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of tiktoks, but instead of thirty
33:06
Speaker 3: second ninety second reels, you got two hours worth of
33:09
Speaker 3: material all put in one shot that really chops it up.
33:13
Speaker 3: That gives you a pop cultural reference of what people
33:17
Speaker 3: were thinking of the time, as well as history and
33:20
Speaker 3: quotes from everybody. I think that the movie has amazing
33:27
Speaker 3: new way of thinking of how to put a documentary together.
33:30
Speaker 3: It's not like the old ways of just talking and
33:34
Speaker 3: showing brief little.
33:36
Speaker 4: Cheesy PBS style steals or anything.
33:40
Speaker 3: It really takes it into another level of your own design,
33:43
Speaker 3: your own creativity, and puts a new touch of art
33:47
Speaker 3: onto information.
33:50
Speaker 2: It's so well too. Juxtaposing this movie with Money Masters,
33:54
Speaker 2: they're separated by ten years only, right, But the difference
33:59
Speaker 2: between Bill Still's Money Masters in like ninety five ninety
34:03
Speaker 2: six to Zeitgeist, like Bill Still's a pro, like he
34:07
Speaker 2: knows how to do pro stuff, but he's doing pro
34:09
Speaker 2: stuff the boomer ancient way with like analog swipes, and
34:13
Speaker 2: he's wearing stonewashed jeans, and he's got his cross colors
34:17
Speaker 2: at his polo, like touched in with like the woven
34:20
Speaker 2: leather belt. Like it's got a very specific aesthetic of
34:23
Speaker 2: someone that kind of grew up in the old world
34:26
Speaker 2: industry of media, whereas Zeitgeist, you can tell it was
34:29
Speaker 2: made by some twenty year old college student that got
34:32
Speaker 2: his hands on like Sony Vegas Studio or some kind
34:36
Speaker 2: of like entry level video stuff, but is able to
34:39
Speaker 2: make it work. So yeah, and I would say that
34:41
Speaker 2: the overboard aspect of this movie, like the downsides, are
34:45
Speaker 2: almost inseparable from the pro sides. Right, So if the
34:49
Speaker 2: pro is that I can give you this one movie
34:52
Speaker 2: and get your take on at least three different massive
34:55
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories, there's also a chance that if you're sort
34:59
Speaker 2: of high religious, if you're a Bible thumper, you might
35:02
Speaker 2: not even make it past the first third of this
35:05
Speaker 2: movie and hear about the Federal Reserve and hear about
35:07
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, because you're like, not, my gbus, you
35:10
Speaker 2: know what I mean, That's not what my Bible says
35:12
Speaker 2: about that. And I can see people maybe putting up
35:15
Speaker 2: a wall, so everything that comes after that, they kind
35:17
Speaker 2: of don't absorb it the same way. So you got
35:20
Speaker 2: to like give and take with the pros and cons
35:23
Speaker 2: of this of putting everything onto one movie.
35:26
Speaker 4: And I'll take that a step further.
35:28
Speaker 3: I think that it lacks nuance in other areas where
35:30
Speaker 3: it's real biased and doesn't like.
35:32
Speaker 4: Explore other alternative options. It's either good or evil. That's it.
35:37
Speaker 3: And it kind of gets you into this thing like
35:39
Speaker 3: we can't fix anything, but everything's good and evil and
35:43
Speaker 3: evil's winning right now, so that's it, Like you know,
35:45
Speaker 3: it doesn't It kind of leaves you on the cliff
35:47
Speaker 3: right there.
35:48
Speaker 4: Great information, but kind of can feel a little hopeless.
35:52
Speaker 2: And we'll have to talk about the sequels because there
35:55
Speaker 2: was a Zeitgeist two and three where they kind of
35:58
Speaker 2: spell out an answer, but it gets really weird. We'll
36:01
Speaker 2: say that for later. And I also want to tack
36:03
Speaker 2: in here too that one of the downsides of this
36:06
Speaker 2: movie is that it doesn't necessarily make its own claims,
36:10
Speaker 2: or if it does, it's like one or two times
36:12
Speaker 2: throughout the entire movie. Most of the time it is
36:15
Speaker 2: heavily relying on Bill Hicks and Network and George Carlin
36:19
Speaker 2: and Jordan Maxwell to tell you what they're thinking, and
36:22
Speaker 2: then you just sort of imply that that's what the
36:24
Speaker 2: movie's telling you. But the person making the movie, I
36:27
Speaker 2: almost feel like their individual voice gets lost a little
36:31
Speaker 2: bit or maybe never existed. For better and for worse. Agreed,
36:43
Speaker 2: All right, let's see what actually holds up. This is
36:46
Speaker 2: the deep dive, this is testing the waters. I'm thinking
36:49
Speaker 2: it's really the Jesus and the Zodiac stuff. It's crazy
36:53
Speaker 2: because I was watching other people's reviews of this movie,
36:56
Speaker 2: or at least their thoughts of it, and a lot
36:57
Speaker 2: of them cite the Jesus and the Zodiac is being
37:01
Speaker 2: the weak part of this movie versus the strong part.
37:03
Speaker 2: For me, it was almost the strongest one because I've
37:07
Speaker 2: seen more in depth documentaries on all three of the
37:09
Speaker 2: topics this one goes into. But the Jesus and the Zodiac,
37:12
Speaker 2: it seems that they actually made their own graphics and
37:15
Speaker 2: they really took time to spell everything out bit by bit,
37:19
Speaker 2: way more so than nine to eleven or Banker stuff. Like,
37:22
Speaker 2: they really showed and illustrated all of these different zodiac stories.
37:27
Speaker 2: So I guess the part that doesn't hold up are
37:30
Speaker 2: all the nine to eleven clips. A lot of them
37:32
Speaker 2: seem scrubbed from the internet. Now you can't really find
37:35
Speaker 2: a lot of those. And then it also makes a
37:38
Speaker 2: lot of claims that it doesn't have the time to
37:41
Speaker 2: back up. Right, Money Masters only was talking about a
37:45
Speaker 2: third of what this movie talks about, but it was
37:47
Speaker 2: three and a half hours, so they can only cover
37:49
Speaker 2: so much ground, so it has to say surface level
37:53
Speaker 2: just because of how much that they move around. So
37:56
Speaker 2: that's kind of the biggest gap for me is lots
37:59
Speaker 2: of claims, very little backup, very little sources to go
38:02
Speaker 2: and find all this stuff out on your own.
38:05
Speaker 3: And for me, what holds up is the social control
38:08
Speaker 3: aspect where they can kind of show you throughout time.
38:12
Speaker 3: Now we look at think tanks, but now you can
38:15
Speaker 3: kind of think think tanks and religion kind of go
38:17
Speaker 3: hand in hand.
38:18
Speaker 4: That's something that holds up forever.
38:20
Speaker 3: I think that the propaganda and the psychological warfare, it
38:24
Speaker 3: kind of the beginning of a lot of that talk
38:28
Speaker 3: that's been put out there into the ether.
38:30
Speaker 4: And for what doesn't hold up for me is what
38:32
Speaker 4: I said earlier.
38:33
Speaker 3: A lot of it is the lack of solutions and
38:37
Speaker 3: the simplification of the good versus evil instead of kind
38:40
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, you know, you have these groups in
38:42
Speaker 3: these groups, and again it might not. It might be
38:45
Speaker 3: because they didn't have the time to really analyze all
38:48
Speaker 3: of it right and go into detail and back it
38:50
Speaker 3: up of like, well, this group kind of did this,
38:52
Speaker 3: and this group they just kind of roll through information.
38:54
Speaker 3: They're just throwing things at you. That's why it kind
38:56
Speaker 3: of reminds me of going through a social media page.
39:00
Speaker 3: But it's all in one video, you know what I mean,
39:02
Speaker 3: and it's jam packed. You do so much information, and
39:06
Speaker 3: I think that they kind of polarize people to where
39:09
Speaker 3: like you either believe this or you're against me.
39:12
Speaker 2: I could almost hear the director screaming in the background.
39:16
Speaker 2: He's like I would have done that, but it was
39:17
Speaker 2: finals next week, you know, Like this was this was
39:20
Speaker 2: a side project, the ripples and waves of this movie.
39:32
Speaker 2: So in other words, how this thing kind of made
39:34
Speaker 2: an impact on the rest of the world. This is
39:37
Speaker 2: kind of weird, right because it was it was a mixtape.
39:40
Speaker 2: It was a whole bunch of different movies repackaged as
39:43
Speaker 2: this new thing. Yet zeitgeist themes like almost everybody that
39:48
Speaker 2: was in the conspiracy theories, even people that weren't necessarily
39:51
Speaker 2: in the conspiracy theories around this time twenty seven to
39:54
Speaker 2: twenty ten have heard of or have seen Zeitgeist. So
39:58
Speaker 2: it like Zeitgeist, it's self became part of the Zeitgeist,
40:02
Speaker 2: which is phenomenal. Like I don't know, like maybe they're
40:05
Speaker 2: in on it, Maybe maybe the director is also one
40:08
Speaker 2: of these bankers for his message to even give this
40:12
Speaker 2: far and wide, But the Zeitgeist became a lot of
40:15
Speaker 2: people's entry point into so many different topics, a lot
40:19
Speaker 2: of references to people, for example, I don't I don't
40:22
Speaker 2: know if Zeitgeist is what led me to these people,
40:24
Speaker 2: but the fact that it has Bill Hicks in it,
40:27
Speaker 2: and it's got clips from the Network movie and Jordan
40:30
Speaker 2: Maxwell clips and talks about astro theology, it's a really
40:35
Speaker 2: great entry point into all these different topics. So I don't.
40:39
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any specific movies that wouldn't
40:42
Speaker 2: have existed without Zeitgeist coming first, But I know that
40:45
Speaker 2: Zeitgeist is probably one of the documentaries that we're covering
40:49
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have seen.
40:52
Speaker 3: Well, I think the reason they saw it was because
40:54
Speaker 3: it was a time of around Netflix and streaming and bootlegs,
40:59
Speaker 3: and everybody was hooked onto the first Oh I got
41:04
Speaker 3: this clip, I'm on pirate Bay. I think this even
41:06
Speaker 3: predates Pirate Bay actually, like you know what I mean,
41:08
Speaker 3: it's the first time where you're getting stuff off lime
41:11
Speaker 3: wire and these illegal sites of Like, I don't know
41:14
Speaker 3: what this documentary is, but I'm gonna check it out.
41:16
Speaker 3: So so many I saw this because it was the
41:19
Speaker 3: beginning of stepping away from the traditional media.
41:26
Speaker 2: Where did this movie fall on the meter? Did this
41:30
Speaker 2: thing sink or swing? What's your final verdict?
41:32
Speaker 4: My final verdict is a deep dive.
41:36
Speaker 3: I give it a deep dive because I think it
41:38
Speaker 3: explores like conspiracies of it's a jumbalaya, like what you said,
41:43
Speaker 3: Like I was calling it a conspiracy gumbo, But I
41:46
Speaker 3: like the Conspiracy Mixtape a little bit better. It has
41:49
Speaker 3: you know, from Jesus to Horus and nine to eleven
41:52
Speaker 3: to Bankers, and it has great production quality. But I
41:58
Speaker 3: think it for me a little bit to not go
42:00
Speaker 3: twenty thousand leagues is because it takes a little bit
42:04
Speaker 3: too much recycled material.
42:06
Speaker 4: It almost puts it as it's their own.
42:08
Speaker 3: I know that it's great for all the people that
42:10
Speaker 3: we learn about and sources, but you know, they don't
42:13
Speaker 3: really have their identity or their stamp of what he
42:16
Speaker 3: really believes in this.
42:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I'm not surprised we're both aligned
42:22
Speaker 2: on this one. I wouldn't quite out of our rating
42:24
Speaker 2: system of shallow, deep dive or twenty thousand leagues. This
42:28
Speaker 2: is firmly in the middle of those, And I mean,
42:31
Speaker 2: maybe it shouldn't surprise anyone, because if this were shallow,
42:34
Speaker 2: then we wouldn't be bringing up a documentary the both
42:37
Speaker 2: of us on two thousand and seven and talking about
42:40
Speaker 2: it fondly and like how it made an impact, Like
42:43
Speaker 2: it clearly made an impact. So it's worthy of that
42:45
Speaker 2: deep dive. It's definitely no money masters, though it does
42:49
Speaker 2: not go into so much depth that you could almost
42:52
Speaker 2: research every single different claim. You kind of have to
42:55
Speaker 2: piece a lot of it together yourself. But again, like
42:58
Speaker 2: I didn't want to watch a nine hour documentary, so
43:01
Speaker 2: Zeitgeist is the perfect length for the amount of ground
43:05
Speaker 2: that it tries to cover. All right, So that was
43:16
Speaker 2: Zeitgeist from two thousand and seven, a classic conspiracy theory documentary.
43:21
Speaker 2: Especially if you were somewhat young in two thousand and seven,
43:25
Speaker 2: or at least going out and downloading random stuff and
43:28
Speaker 2: watching it if you haven't seen it already. I do
43:31
Speaker 2: think it's worth watching again. It's entertaining. It goes by
43:35
Speaker 2: pretty quick. Despite the first twenty minutes of the freaking
43:38
Speaker 2: movie all just being quotes and Drummond bass, it still
43:41
Speaker 2: has a certain feel that you It dates it to
43:45
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven in a good way, So I
43:48
Speaker 2: highly recommend it. What We're Gonna Be Doing Next is
43:50
Speaker 2: another movie that this movie was kind of based on.
43:53
Speaker 2: We're gonna be watching Loose Change. And Loose Change, in
43:57
Speaker 2: my mind, is sort of like the Money Masters of
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven. They go into all the different nitty
44:03
Speaker 2: gritty the names, the dates, the sources. Where Zeitgeist is
44:07
Speaker 2: lacking some of that. Loose Change fills in all those gaps,
44:10
Speaker 2: so that that's the next one. Did you see Loose
44:12
Speaker 2: Change when it first came out? Yes?
44:14
Speaker 4: I did. That's another gas station bootleg.
44:18
Speaker 2: Do you know they actually played Loose Change on planes?
44:21
Speaker 2: I think they had. They aired it on Virgin Airlines
44:25
Speaker 2: at some point.
44:27
Speaker 4: I did not know that.
44:28
Speaker 2: Imagine watching Loose Change in the air.
44:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel pretty safe.
44:40
Speaker 1: The ducks, yeah, under the ducks. Did they under the ducks?
44:55
Speaker 1: The ducks, yeah, undon the ducks one of the jobs