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Chris Dudley Dunking on Governor Race · Crosstabs

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  But however,
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  before I start,
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  Chris,
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  I was given this like song that I'm supposed to play.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know something about this one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you hear that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that your trailblazer, your high tops, trailblazer and high tops?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I got to hear this.
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  SPEAKER_03: What is this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sixteenth season, hardwood miles on your shoes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pain on your elbows, sweat in the garden room.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big man screening, taking hits for the crew.
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  SPEAKER_01: Portland roaring, every night they were
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll play the whole thing at the end of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Michael sent that to us.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was your Trailblazer and High Tops, your song they did.
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  SPEAKER_02: So in Medford, Reagan, is that where they did it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Somebody did it and recorded it in Medford or something?
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  SPEAKER_03: I heard about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's funny.
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  I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet,
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  but I heard there was a song made down in Medford.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll get the full version at the end of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, good, good.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've got to listen to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Chris Dudley running for governor,
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  SPEAKER_02: not president,
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  SPEAKER_02: as we were just talking about international affairs.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to find this.
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  SPEAKER_00: The worst photo of all time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Me and Chris Dudley from 2010 at some event in Bend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would have been like 15 years old.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can see the height difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you've still got a few inches on me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think you've grown Reagan.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Reagan, how tall are you now?
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  SPEAKER_00: Five, 10.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I still got a few inches on you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're like six foot, something like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just a little over.
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  SPEAKER_02: How tall?
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I met your one son that worked for Cliff Benz.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's tall, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's like 6'8", though, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sam's 6'2".
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, is he?
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he's our youngest.
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  SPEAKER_03: Charles is 6'5".
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  SPEAKER_03: And then Emma, our daughter, is about 6'1".
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  SPEAKER_03: And then you might have seen also Dylan, our son-in-law.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's 6'4".
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, he's got to be if he's married to a 6'1".
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  SPEAKER_02: He's not married to Reagan.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was a real good baseball player.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
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  SPEAKER_03: That was his thing?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he was baseball.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love baseball.
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  And that's what I was going to,
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  I was like,
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  man,
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  basketball obviously was your thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know much about basketball,
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  but I do know Michael Jordan tried to go from playing
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  basketball to baseball.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you ever attempt a sports conversion like that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or did you ever want to play another sport?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_03: I,
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  SPEAKER_03: when I was little,
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  SPEAKER_03: I played little league baseball and I did love baseball,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I,
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  SPEAKER_03: I,
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  fell in love with basketball and I became all basketball,
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  um,
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  all the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there was nothing that,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought about,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: I like,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: some being up here and after retired,
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  SPEAKER_03: I love skiing,
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  SPEAKER_03: love getting outdoors,
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  SPEAKER_03: love doing things,
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  SPEAKER_03: but nothing where I even had a thought about being professional or,
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  SPEAKER_03: or at that level.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, did you ever play with Michael Jordan?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the timelines of you guys ever overlap.
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  SPEAKER_03: We overlapped.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I played,
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  SPEAKER_03: When I was a sophomore in college,
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  SPEAKER_03: I used to go down to,
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  SPEAKER_03: one of my teammates was from North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'd go down and work Dean Smith's camps.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Dean Smith was Michael Jordan's coach at Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Michael was there and he had just become a pro.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I played – I overlap.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had a lot of overlap with him.
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  SPEAKER_03: He probably came in 85 maybe, maybe 84.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it was 84.
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  SPEAKER_03: I came – my rookie year was 87.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So same generation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Same generation,
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  SPEAKER_03: unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_03: a lot of times because he – there were some teams he took care of.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say, was he tough to play against?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was on –
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  SPEAKER_03: You may not remember this, but Brian might.
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  There used to be a Gatorade commercial where he hits a shot and
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  he's pumping his
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  SPEAKER_03: fist and he's all excited.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, that was when he was with the Bulls and I was with the Cavs.
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  And game five,
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  and it was a deciding game,
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  he hit the last second shot and I was on that team.
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  SPEAKER_03: He kind of broke our heart on that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: We were actually the better team.
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  SPEAKER_03: We were the higher seed.
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  SPEAKER_03: I remember that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  I thought you were going to tell me you were in the background
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  of the Gatorade
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  SPEAKER_02: commercial while he's pumping his fizz.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, just on that team.
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  And that was kind of a coming out for him a little bit with
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  that big win in the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did, do you have his cell phone number?
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  Have you called him for a campaign donation or like,
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  how does that,
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  how does that work?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we got to get some more checks, Chris.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what are we doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I guess he said he gave through Nike.
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  SPEAKER_02: That might've been his thing, right?
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  I was going to say,
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  were you a Nike guy when you played or are you a convert?
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  SPEAKER_03: I was at Nike.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I started early in my career.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was Converse and then went to Nike.
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  SPEAKER_02: I always, uh, that was kind of my lead in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I always felt politics is like basketball,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: and speaking of basketball,
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  SPEAKER_02: before we leave it and get into politics,
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  SPEAKER_02: did you watch the,
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  SPEAKER_02: of course,
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  SPEAKER_02: Kirk County Cowboys,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: at the 5A,
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  SPEAKER_02: 6A playoff,
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  SPEAKER_02: they were insane this weekend.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that 6A Tualatin team that got, they won on the last second basket.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was just awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you caught any of that,
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  SPEAKER_03: but no,
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  SPEAKER_03: I saw the scores and saw the little recap and,
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  SPEAKER_02: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just looked it up and, uh,
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  So Crook,
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  yeah,
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  obviously they had a great team and Tawaldon sounded like an
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  incredible game.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_02: that was the,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: they were down,
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  I think five points and they scored five points in like nine
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  seconds to beat the
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  SPEAKER_02: other team by one or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty wild.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, fun stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I just say on that, that it was 20 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I just last week,
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  was in Portland and we retired Kevin loves Jersey who I coached
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  at Lake Oswego.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that was,
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  SPEAKER_03: that was pretty,
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  SPEAKER_03: because it,
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  it coincided with basically 20 years since we had won the state
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  title there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was some of Oregon's best.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cause you had the,
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  SPEAKER_03: you had the player, the Kevin was the number one player in the country.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then you had Kyle Singler down South Medford,
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  SPEAKER_03: who was the fifth rated,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: player in the country.
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  And Kyle obviously went on to play at Duke and then,
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  uh,
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  uh,
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  played in the NBA.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that was a special time to play those games at Mac court.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can imagine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you coach for long or just a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_03: I coached for a couple of years.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I was, uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, probably about four or five years, three of which with Kevin.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you just – it didn't really have the bug like it did?
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  SPEAKER_02: I did.
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  You know,
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  later I would coach my kids and do – you know,
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  but I always thought about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just – yeah, I just did it for coaching kids, just volunteering.
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  Of course,
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  if you're coaching Kevin Love and then you go to,
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  like,
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  you know,
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  coaching me –
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  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of hard to go that far down.
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  SPEAKER_03: Coaching anybody after Kevin.
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  SPEAKER_03: Kevin was a special talent.
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  SPEAKER_02: Changes the game a little bit when you have to go that further down.
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  Well,
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  I was I kind of Reagan,
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  of course,
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  loves baseball,
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  but I love basketball.
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  SPEAKER_02: I coached my boys all the way through in this Crook County group.
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  SPEAKER_02: I coached them all the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: through eighth grade, really, like the school ball stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then Lohenbach coached him in the,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is Bryce's dad,
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  SPEAKER_02: who was that really great center there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: I always loved it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I always kind of feel like, you know, politics is like that, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We have our team and they have their team.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's kind of like,
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  SPEAKER_02: We try to draft the best players,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially with the legislature,
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  SPEAKER_02: because I do mostly like legislative races.
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  SPEAKER_02: And,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  so we try to put our best players on the field and this kind of
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  and they put their
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  SPEAKER_02: best players on the field.
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  And I try to recruit people,
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  I'm sure,
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  just like the NRCC does and everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I always think like I always think that way.
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  And when I think of politics,
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  I'm thinking very like legislatively speaking.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then when you get into the governor's race, it's very like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, I don't know, wrestling, golf.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like one-on-one,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: where you try to legislatively,
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  SPEAKER_02: we try to put together a team and then running for governor,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're just,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's just you.
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  And it's very tough to work on governor's races because you get
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  so invested in,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: one person to do it all.
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  And people look at the governor's race and they go,
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  Chris,
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  you need to fix everything.
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  And I always wonder,
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  like,
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  how,
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  how are you going to fix everything as the governor?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you're only one branch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  So is that how how do you how are you kind of navigating those
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  questions when
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  SPEAKER_02: people ask,
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  SPEAKER_02: how are you going to fix X,
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  SPEAKER_02: Y,
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  SPEAKER_02: Z?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, let me let me I'll get there in kind of two parts.
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  SPEAKER_03: And one is because you bring up a good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Good question.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when you brought up the legislature, legislative races.
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  SPEAKER_03: That when I ran 2010,
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  SPEAKER_03: one thing I was really proud of,
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  SPEAKER_03: and as you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: that was the closest election in the past 70 years.
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  Going back to sports,
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  I give the basketball analogy that we lost in double overtime.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thought we had one Tuesday, actually lost on Thursday.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  But the thing that I'm really proud of about that race was was
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  one was getting the
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  SPEAKER_03: energy going,
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  SPEAKER_03: getting people excited across the state that it was possible to win.
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  SPEAKER_03: And two was it was with that was running on a message that was.
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  that was positive and I think brought more people into the
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  tent,
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  so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_03: It got a broad energy going.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then when I was traveling to state campaigning,
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  I made sure to campaign with those running for the state Senate
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  or state House
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  SPEAKER_03: legislators and really try to,
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  SPEAKER_03: because you know you need that when you get there.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we had a good group that, as you know, good group that year.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it was, it was, uh, I enjoyed it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it was helpful.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think I helped them.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think they helped me, um, kind of the team.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cause I'm a, I'm a team guy.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a team player.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you can't do anything by yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: You got to have a team and,
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  SPEAKER_03: and having that race,
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  SPEAKER_03: we had the biggest pickup in the Oregon legislature history.
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  at least as far back as I could look,
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  because we picked up eight seats overall,
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  six and two.
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  And we went from super minority,
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  like where we are now,
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  to basically balanced.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was 30-30, 14-16.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that was a huge deal, and I think very good for our state.
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  SPEAKER_03: Even though we lost the election on incredibly...
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  SPEAKER_03: close election,
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  it held the governor Kitzhopper to his feet to the fire where
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  he had to do things
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  that he probably normally would not have done if he hadn't been
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  pushed that way.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he actually thought he had lost it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then with the legislature being balanced,
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  SPEAKER_03: it was a good time for Oregon in having that balance.
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  And so to answer your question,
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  I mean,
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  the first thing is I'd like to get in there
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  SPEAKER_03: as governor and not be in a super minority position in,
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  SPEAKER_03: in both houses,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: that's a big deal to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I will, I will work with the same thing again.
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  I will work with the candidates,
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  work with those running because that is a very,
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  very big deal.
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  And then,
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  you know,
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  when you get in as governor,
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  you have,
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  have a number of tools.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: power the pen to be able to veto bills, uh, power the pulpit.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's a,
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  SPEAKER_03: that's a big one to be able to talk about issues,
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  SPEAKER_03: focus on issues,
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  SPEAKER_03: really force the agenda.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: and,
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  SPEAKER_03: and when you win the governorship,
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  SPEAKER_03: just like any other election,
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  you do have a mandate of some sort where the people have voted
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  on what your message
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  SPEAKER_03: is.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you have a mandate to talk about those issues.
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  And for me,
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  it's education,
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  economy,
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  livability,
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  uh,
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  focus on those areas.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then, uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: so you have it,
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  SPEAKER_03: you have all those,
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  SPEAKER_03: you have those tools,
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  SPEAKER_03: which are,
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  SPEAKER_03: which are really important.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  I think that's when Glenn Youngkin won,
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  I mean,
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  he brought in a wave with him as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think,
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's cause I know in 22,
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: when I was running the legislative races and,
• 13:49
  and Vicky was the leader and somebody else's dad was the leader
• 13:53
  on this pod,
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: but,
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tim,
• 13:56
  and we had a great synergy between us and we picked up the most
• 14:00
  legislative seats
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: that year since 2010.
• 14:05
  But the coordination with Christine really was non-existent,
• 14:09
  to be honest with you.
• 14:10
  So I think the best way to win those legislative seats is
• 14:15
  because if you look at
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: where we will pick up legislative seats,
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Marion County,
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: Clackamas County,
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Deschutes County,
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: like these are counties you have to carry on.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: to win the governor's race.
• 14:26
  So the synergy is super strong there for us to work together to
• 14:31
  make sure that we
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: get the non-affiliated voters to vote to the right and what have you.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I just think, and even in Medford, look at that.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a Senate seat down there.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: We got to win.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Brad.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: We have to win this.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: I was just down with him two weeks ago.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: No, I look forward to that opportunity.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I do think you have to be coordinated.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: You have to help push...
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: you have to have that energy.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: You need each other.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think that's,
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: mutually beneficial and something,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: frankly,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: I enjoyed,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: both with,
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: with Vicky and Tim and others at that time in 2010,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: that was,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: that was a big deal.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: We had,
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Good group and a lot of energy.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really was.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a strong get out the vote effort in 10.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: And we also had a strong get out the vote effort in 22 where we had paid.
• 15:21
  I mean,
• 15:22
  I think we knocked on like a million and a half doors then and
• 15:25
  stuff.
• 15:25
  And I really believe that's got to be part of our strategy is,
• 15:28
  one,
• 15:29
  we can win.
• 15:29
  I think when you say you can win the governor's race,
• 15:32
  it does energize people.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: It does.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: There is something to that, you know.
• 15:36
  I would tell you,
• 15:37
  Brian,
• 15:37
  as I was trying,
• 15:38
  you know,
• 15:39
  I've traveled the state.
• 15:42
  I think we figured out we've done over 4000 miles in the first
• 15:46
  40 days or something.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: We've been everywhere.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: And and.
• 15:52
  I will walk in the rooms and what we would do is we would do a
• 15:55
  round table.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know how they work,
• 15:59
  but you have legislative leaders or you have commissioners or
• 16:03
  because it's a lot of
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: time they were in session.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe it was more the commissioners,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: mayors,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: but also business leaders,
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: education,
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: have a round table and then you'd have a meet and greet.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: And the meet and greets,
• 16:16
  we had standing room only in certain spots and it was a real
• 16:19
  energy out there.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say, you know, hey, number one is this is winnable.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: We can win this election.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: The governor has a 65%, you know, whatever, disapproval rating.
• 16:33
  And people don't think we're going down the right path and are
• 16:37
  ready for change.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 16:39
  I'll obviously make the argument it's got to be the right
• 16:42
  message with the right
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: messenger to tap into that.
• 16:47
  But I'll say,
• 16:48
  you know,
• 16:48
  I understand how people feel,
• 16:51
  but your vote does matter.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: And you've got to get out.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to vote.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to talk to others, get others excited because it matters.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I will tell them I said.
• 17:00
  There's probably nobody in the state who can say that more than
• 17:04
  me with a straight
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: face walking in here because I lost by 20,000 votes.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: And every vote matters.
• 17:11
  And if I'd gotten every single vote in Eastern Oregon or
• 17:15
  Southern Oregon or
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: wherever I might be,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: say,
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: we wouldn't be in this mess that we're in today.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: And so your vote matters.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's really, I'm pounding that message everywhere I go.
• 17:30
  I think that and you're kind of getting into what we what I
• 17:33
  wanted to talk about
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: next,
• 17:34
  which was this is probably which is interesting to me because
• 17:38
  2020 year 2022 is
• 17:40
  obviously perceived as a better year for Republicans than 2026
• 17:44
  is currently on
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: track to be right now.
• 17:48
  But the field in 2022 was,
• 17:51
  of course,
• 17:51
  Drazen,
• 17:52
  who was pretty new as a legislator.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: You had Bob Tiernan, Stan Pulliam, Bridget Barton.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Basically,
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Pulliam was a mayor,
• 17:58
  but nobody else who had experience either running statewide or
• 18:02
  had held elected
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: office.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: This time you've got Drayson again, more legislative experience.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Deal, who's also a legislator.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Bethel, who's county commissioner.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then you've got you, who has run before for statewide office.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a deeper and I would say better field this time overall.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you choose 2026 to run?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then going on that,
• 18:25
  how do you see your path to winning the primary to get to that
• 18:28
  general election
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: matchup?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 18:32
  I'll start off by saying I didn't choose 2026 over 2022 because
• 18:37
  2022 probably was
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: the better,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: just by conventional wisdom,
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: just by the simple fact.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 18:45
  we all know the conventional wisdom that it's easier in a
• 18:48
  midterm when your party
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: is not in power in the presidency,
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: and that's kind of the basics and,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: and,
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: usually there's some truth to that.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um,
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: For me, this wasn't so much evaluating this year versus another year.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: This was for me being involved with a number of things.
• 19:07
  You know,
• 19:07
  I've been asked since 2010,
• 19:10
  I've been asked about running basically every cycle.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:14
  You and Walden,
• 19:16
  I think,
• 19:16
  get asked every time,
• 19:18
  when are you running for governor?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, exactly.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I've made the, well, I sat down with my wife after 2010.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: And as we said, great experience, loved it.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: So many ways, it can be tough on the family.
• 19:33
  And afterwards,
• 19:35
  Chris,
• 19:35
  my wife's name is Chris also,
• 19:37
  and I talked and the,
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: she said, I don't want you to run again.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: I, we should not run again until the kids are out of high school.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that made sense to me.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And family is incredibly important to me.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: And as you guys know, it's a sacrifice.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so, so we, we, that was our intention.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: We would tell people that,
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: that we're not,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: we're not doing anything until the kids got out of high school.
• 20:01
  And so youngest graduated high school in,
• 20:04
  I don't know,
• 20:05
  2019,
• 20:05
  2020,
• 20:05
  something like that.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'd been involved with a number that I did.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'd help support every gubernatorial candidate after me.
• 20:14
  I remember meeting with Dennis Richardson and my storage shed
• 20:19
  in Lake Oswego.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of funny.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: You remember it because it was raining.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: It was dark, you know, and I'm giving them everything I had.
• 20:25
  My my my policy papers,
• 20:29
  my mailing list,
• 20:31
  my donor,
• 20:31
  you know,
• 20:32
  just every because I wanted him.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Dennis was it was a was a good man.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: And
• 20:38
  helped Bud Pierce,
• 20:39
  helped,
• 20:40
  helped Newt,
• 20:42
  even helped Christine a little bit.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: So it was something I was passionate about.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then I just kind of,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: whether it's a blessing or a curse,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: it's hard for me to stay out and not,
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: and just enjoy life when you see what's going on.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just,
• 21:04
  One thing after another just hit me where it's like,
• 21:06
  this state has to do better.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: We have to turn it around.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: And it was, I was involved with Rip City Forever.
• 21:15
  I helped found that that was focused on letting government be
• 21:19
  aware that you've got
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: to,
• 21:21
  you're going to have a situation here with a new owner that
• 21:24
  might want to move the
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: team,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: that you got to look at the arena,
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: do certain things.
• 21:28
  And you realize Portland and Oregon is competing nationally
• 21:32
  with other cities and states.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: And you realize how bad our reputation is.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: Marshall Glickman was my partner in that.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: His dad, Harry Glickman, founded the Blazers.
• 21:43
  And Marshall was over in London on business for the NBA and
• 21:46
  doing different things.
• 21:47
  And he said,
• 21:47
  people over there are talking about how bad it is in Portland.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: And we have a
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: we have a bad reputation right now and need to get fixed.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's a gut punch to me when we're,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: for fourth graders,
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: ranked 50th,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: dead last in the country for education,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: 47th overall.
• 22:06
  Or you see where Portland's,
• 22:10
  what's happened there and just across our state.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: And you just go, we can do better.
• 22:15
  And so this is a long way of answering your question,
• 22:18
  but it wasn't,
• 22:19
  it truly wasn't a,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: hey, this year is better than the other year politically.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: What's your best?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: When do you time it up?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, it's all that.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's like this has to get done, and it has to get done now.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I really feel very strongly,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: and this isn't – I'm not a politician by nature,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: and so it's not –
• 22:40
  uh hyperbole it's to say that we're at a real tipping point for
• 22:44
  the state uh if
• 22:46
  portland goes another four years on this same path and and gets
• 22:51
  in this economic
• 22:51
  doom loop you know you keep digging it gets harder and harder
• 22:55
  to turn some of this
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: around and so
• 22:58
  It was really a passion about the situation where our state is
• 23:03
  and the need to
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: change it that it was evaluating which year was better.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then how do you win in the primary,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: is the is the question,
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: maybe maybe you don't think the field is is better.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to necessarily make any assumptions,
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: but I mean,
• 23:21
  how do you how do you win in an experienced field like this
• 23:23
  with other politicians
• 23:25
  who are running that may have experience either campaigning or
• 23:29
  in government?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and again, I focus on what I do versus what others are doing.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: 2020,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: like Bob Tiernan,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: he's got a lot of experience and he was a good candidate,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Bridget.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: So not a knock on anybody from there.
• 23:46
  And I think with this,
• 23:47
  you know,
• 23:47
  obviously,
• 23:50
  my analysis was fairly simple.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of told you that A,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oregon has to do better.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: We have to change it.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: B, present governor doesn't have the will or the knowledge to do so.
• 24:05
  See,
• 24:05
  I didn't see anybody else who was running who I thought could
• 24:08
  win a statewide election.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: And we have to win a statewide election.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: so that's your primary argument is,
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: is that these other Republicans,
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: maybe you can people can have their own ideas on what the reasons are.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: But you don't you don't think they can win a statewide election.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you believe that you can.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're the only.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, if I don't do it.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I think it's time for an outsider.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I do think
• 24:36
  I think both sides of the aisle are tired of all the bickering
• 24:39
  and all the arguing
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: and the partisanship.
• 24:41
  And I do think it's time for an outsider to come in and say,
• 24:44
  hey,
• 24:44
  we got serious issues.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: We got to work on these.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: We got to get together.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: We got to focus on these things.
• 24:49
  To me,
• 24:49
  it's a state of emergency on day one when in education you're
• 24:53
  ranked 50th.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: And that should upset everybody in our state.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, that's unacceptable.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: And focus on those core.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's unacceptable that we're 47th in job creation.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: 46 is the place to do business.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Portland's 80th out of 81 cities.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: And that could go on and on and on.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: I just read that about Portland being 80th out of 80.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's just despicable.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's horrific.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, I could.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: But but the point being is that we have to make change.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's time for an outsider to come in.
• 25:29
  Frankly,
• 25:30
  I think it's time for somebody with a business background as
• 25:33
  governor.
• 25:33
  We haven't had that in 40 years that we've had somebody who's
• 25:38
  had a business background.
• 25:39
  background and i've made the argument that i don't think
• 25:42
  salem's problems are going
• 25:44
  to be fixed by somebody from salem and so that that that was my
• 25:48
  right or wrong but
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: that's my that's my thought process on it and again it's not a
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: A knock or a credit.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing what I think is right for the state of Oregon.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's not seen.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's everybody can run.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: They make their own arguments and people will decide.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that argument is frankly is compelling.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's something right now.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: The one thing that I like about your argument,
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: and I talk to a lot of Republicans,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: is I really believe your third point,
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: which is what I've been kind of harping on for a long time.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think Republicans in this state are so frustrated.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: with being where we're at, that we just want to win.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like we want to win so bad.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that,
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: and statewide,
• 26:34
  like we can win a legislative seat or we can win some seats in
• 26:37
  22 and then we give
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: them right back in 24 or whatever,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: or somebody changes parties and we just get dejected.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that desire to win is,
• 26:47
  And to have somebody at the top of the ticket who can win is
• 26:51
  just so vitally
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: important because the down ballot stuff just is so critical to us that,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: like we first talked about,
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: like if you go into power without,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: if you're still in the super minority,
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: you're just going to,
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: you go veto something and they just go,
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: fine,
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: we'll screw you.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: And they just overturn your veto.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then all you're left with is line item veto, right?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Of your budgets and stuff.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that's,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: You're just kind of become powerless.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then Dan Rayfield will sue you every second for everything.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: And then it just becomes this huge mess.
• 27:21
  So I think people got to understand you've got to have a
• 27:24
  legislature that at least
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: gets out of the super minority.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and maybe a few more seats.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I hope,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: hopefully,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: culturally speaking,
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: maybe our state has shifted a little bit more to the right,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: even from where we were in 22.
• 27:39
  And then Kotech has clearly messed up enough that maybe she
• 27:42
  blunts the President
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Trump problem that we have in our midterm.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I don't know.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's more hope than it is statistics for me.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what I look at.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think that Ed also has some...
• 27:57
  opportunities that i like about his candidacy that are
• 27:59
  different what i don't like
• 28:00
  is a rematch and i've kind of come to that conclusion in my
• 28:03
  mind in my statistical
• 28:05
  mind that i don't think rematches work well for us and i think
• 28:08
  we need something
• 28:09
  and i think that's what you got at too so that's kind of where
• 28:12
  i'm at with it i
• 28:13
  don't know reagan may disagree with me but that's kind of where
• 28:15
  my head's at these
• 28:16
  days in this i think those are important well i'm sorry reagan
• 28:20
  were you gonna say
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: something
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still forming my thoughts about this race.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll tell you, I start out in the camp of this is...
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is an incredibly difficult race to win just because of the broader,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: because of how nationalized our elections have become.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so the real challenge is,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: and I think this is true for all the candidates,
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: and I think it's the goal of all the candidates,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: is not to nationalize this race.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's to make it local.
• 28:46
  Because all the polling I'm seeing is showing that while both
• 28:49
  Governor Kotech and
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: President Trump are unpopular in Oregon,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Governor Kotech is about 10 points behind Trump in terms of the positive,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Where Trump's basically locked up most of the Republicans and then some
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: independents in Oregon who are more conservative.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he gets about 45 percent and then he has about 55 percent.
• 29:07
  The problem with the governor is she's at also 55 negative,
• 29:10
  but only 35 positive.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what the opportunity is.
• 29:16
  It's just been so challenging overall for Republicans to win a
• 29:21
  statewide election.
• 29:22
  And I think part of that has been in the past has just been a
• 29:25
  resource question
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: where we don't have the same number of boots on the ground.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: We've got
• 29:30
  labor unions and other groups spending into themselves they'll
• 29:33
  spend themselves in
• 29:34
  a massive deficits to protect the governor's office they'll go
• 29:37
  out and get national
• 29:38
  money if they have to because that's such a catastrophic result
• 29:42
  for them they can
• 29:43
  lose legislative seats here and there and be fine but if they
• 29:46
  lose the governor's
• 29:46
  office for four years that that can be really devastating
• 29:50
  because the governor has
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of power i mean you can go you can go in day one
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: repeal all kinds of executive orders and totally change the face of state
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: government in an afternoon in a way that takes months,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: years,
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: decades in the legislature.
• 30:06
  No,
• 30:06
  if you want real change,
• 30:08
  it's going to come at the top and there's no question.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's going to come from the governors,
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: as governor,
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: that's,
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: that's where it has to,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: that's where it has to come from.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: and Brian,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: to your point on the,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: yes,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: you don't want to be in a super,
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: minority position.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um,
• 30:24
  And so that's job one is to help part of the election is make
• 30:28
  sure that doesn't
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: happen,
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: as we talked about in the beginning.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: And that's super important.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: But I would I would say this,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: is I've had Democrats reaching out to me kind of under the radar.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'd imagine.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think they'd love some cover, you know, frankly.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I do think there are.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously,
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: there are those that are so partisan and so whatever,
• 30:55
  but there are those that are saying this isn't working and we
• 30:57
  need a little bit of
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: balance.
• 30:58
  And I want to be able to vote on things that I think make sense
• 31:02
  and not worry about
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: getting attacked by a union ad or whatever,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: which just happened in the last session.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I would also argue that.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: You need a you need an election.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: You need a candidate.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: You need a movement that excites people.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: And we've had more.
• 31:22
  We've had independents and Democrats saying,
• 31:25
  hey,
• 31:25
  we're going to register.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to re-register and maybe vote in the primary and vote.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: People want a choice that they they're.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they can believe in and they can.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not kind of say that I'm not running.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's kind of a line, but it's true.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not running to be someone.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm running to do something.
• 31:42
  You know,
• 31:43
  it's like the only reason I'm doing this is because I care
• 31:48
  about the state of Oregon.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: My kids are, thanks to Chris, my wife, are sixth generation Oregonians.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: Eventually, we're going to have seventh generation Oregonians.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, what's the legacy?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: What are we leaving now?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: what are we leaving people right now?
• 32:02
  You know,
• 32:03
  and it disturbs me how many,
• 32:06
  you know,
• 32:06
  it's like,
• 32:06
  don't give up.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Do not give up.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Let's vote, get energized, get out there.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there's a real,
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's a real movement that we can tap into with,
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: again,
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: with the right message and messenger,
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: there's a movement that we can tap into and we can win.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it's, yes, it took a,
• 32:25
  Governor Kochek all have 10 seconds to mention the president's
• 32:28
  name when she
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: announced her reelection.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: But it's going to be I'm sorry, you know.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry for my counterpart.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: The president's name is not on the ballot.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: Mine is.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm about Oregon.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: I want to get Oregon's house in order.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: I am focused on these issues that we have to focus on education, economy.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: livability, which includes safety, affordability.
• 32:50
  And I will be pounding the table on those issues and saying
• 32:53
  this is what everyday
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oregonians,
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: this is impacting where you live,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: where you work,
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: where you play.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Let's focus on this and let's turn the state around.
• 33:03
  You know who doesn't want to turn the state around is home
• 33:05
  builders in Vancouver
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: and Southwest Washington.
• 33:09
  Because they have been doing really well with Portland's doom
• 33:12
  loop with everybody
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: moving across the river.
• 33:14
  And I think that's what we're just we're losing all of those
• 33:18
  that even the money.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:20
  We talk about,
• 33:20
  you know,
• 33:20
  the people that make that make a decent amount of living.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: They're not going to live in Portland.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: They can go across the pond.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: Even in Washington, they can go live over there.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: and not pay nearly as much in taxes as they are living in Portland.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of all part of that whole doom loop issue.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I really hope that whoever wins the primary,
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: if it's you,
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: that,
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: that cause Portland,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: I've,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: I've gone at the governor's race where you say,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: okay,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: you run against Portland,
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: who cares?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Leave Portland behind, go win everywhere else.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like we can't do that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think you gotta win.
• 33:51
  Portland has to become the city of roses again,
• 33:53
  not the city of roaches,
• 33:54
  you know?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I, that's the only way the whole state wins.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's,
• 33:58
  It's such a shitty spot to be in,
• 34:00
  but I kind of feel like we have to as a state.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: We've got to drag Portland back.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're touching on it.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think keeping the Blazers would be important.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: If we lose the Blazers, Chris, I mean...
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Talk about just demoralizing to us, right?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that was our,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: with Rip City Forever,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: talking about that,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: telling the city,
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: telling the state,
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: be prepared,
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: here's what's coming.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I don't like the deal.
• 34:28
  I think they've gotten taken advantage of by the deal that was
• 34:32
  put forward.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: I fault our,
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: it's just mind-boggling to me that nobody in the governor's office,
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: frankly,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: nobody in the legislature,
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: thought to really dive into what were the terms of relocation.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: And that was something when Paul Allen did it in,
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was 95,
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: with the Rose Garden,
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: now the Moda Center.
• 34:59
  There was a 40 page document he had to sign that he would not
• 35:02
  move the team for 30 years.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's 20 years and maybe, you know, you got to pay off the bond.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 35:08
  it's like that's not a big deal when it's a $4 billion
• 35:11
  franchise that may be worth
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: $7 or $8 billion in another city.
• 35:16
  You need a bigger – and it's just to me – and not to dive – I
• 35:21
  could go in the details.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think we need to.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: But the bigger issue is we don't have anybody, frankly, in the –
• 35:29
  It feels like in the governor's office or sometimes even the
• 35:32
  legislature that have
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: that background of how to negotiate deals.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: work on deals,
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: what makes sense,
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: have a business,
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: real business background,
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: and understand some of these things.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like they got taken advantage of.
• 35:47
  We've got a deal right now where it's supposed to be a
• 35:50
  public-private partnership,
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: and the private's not putting in any money.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's public, public.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: And not only that,
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: and then I'll get off the soapbox on this,
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: but I get it a little funny,
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: is the lack of vision.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: is you don't just wait to receive an offer and then say,
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: take it or leave it,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: or else.
• 36:11
  You should be proactive in what deal you think makes sense for
• 36:15
  the state of Oregon,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: for the city of Portland,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: for the Blazers,
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: for the,
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: and what makes sense economically.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: We did none of that.
• 36:23
  We just,
• 36:24
  we took whatever they gave us and we signed it with a gun to
• 36:27
  our head.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just not, we, I used to,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: When I came to Oregon in 93,
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: and,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: at the time,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: politically,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oregon had had a reputation of being a leader,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: visionary.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: you're not agreeing with everything,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: you might,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: whatever,
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: but you had the land use bill.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Land use,
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: you had the bottle bill,
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: the beach bill,
• 36:56
  just different things that were going on over time and kind of
• 37:00
  thinking outside the
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: box or pushing it a little bit.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: Now we just go from crisis to crisis to crisis.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: We're always in a reactive situation.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I just feel like we've lost our vision, lost our leadership.
• 37:13
  And we just need to get back to that and have some pride in
• 37:17
  what we're doing and be
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: a little vision going forward.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: To that point, Regan has one last question for you before we let you go.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: But I just want to on this Blazer thing,
• 37:27
  I think you hit on something that I was so upset about was that
• 37:31
  the fact that there
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: are there was no like you had that whole Albina vision.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: We got the whole Rose Quarter problem.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: We got the whole Lloyd Center problem.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why didn't we get wider with this?
• 37:44
  Because when you take public money,
• 37:46
  you can redevelop an entire area,
• 37:49
  right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: And we should have like got wider with that whole redevelopment,
• 37:52
  turn that into an economic development powerhouse of an area
• 37:57
  that could have
• 37:57
  changed that entire Lloyd Center area to really become
• 38:02
  something like they have in
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: other cities where like Phoenix has got that,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: they're doing a whole thing.
• 38:06
  Like they've been able to take these sports teams and turn
• 38:12
  sections of cities into
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: economic hubs.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: and just that lack of vision.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you hit it on it because we have the Speaker of the House,
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: the President of the Senate,
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: and the Governor all have zero business experience.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, zero.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just,
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: and I was talking,
• 38:28
  I would kind of work with legislators on the Republican side
• 38:32
  well and kind of feed
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: them ideas.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I know it's hard when you're a super minority,
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: but it's like nobody was saying,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: we should take this and really
• 38:42
  look at this and make this and it's kind of the mindset you can
• 38:47
  either say this is
• 38:48
  a crisis or you can say it's an opportunity and today's world
• 38:52
  our salem as a whole
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: deals with everything is a crisis and and not and i just
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: This could have been a golden opportunity where you've got somebody,
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: a group that is spending over $4 billion,
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: $4.25 billion investing into Portland,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: investing in Oregon.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: That is not happening anywhere else right now.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we could have used that as an opportunity to say, how do we team up?
• 39:23
  How do we combine this with what's going on with AVT,
• 39:26
  Albina Vision Trust?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: How do the Lloyd Center is a unique opportunity, right?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just at least we should have,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: maybe you end up doing the same thing that we're doing,
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: but at least look at it.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: And there just wasn't the vision,
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: the time,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: the effort put into that on how do we make this happen?
• 39:46
  inject life,
• 39:47
  badly needed life into,
• 39:49
  into Oregon,
• 39:50
  into Portland in particular.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: This could have been a great way to kind of revitalize it and say this,
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: which before,
• 39:57
  this is a great way to kind of turn around our city and get
• 40:00
  some life back into it.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't do it.
• 40:03
  The whole east side of the waterfront,
• 40:04
  the whole could have been a game changer.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, there's so many parts there.
• 40:09
  And that's why I was excited about it and thought it was
• 40:12
  obviously nobody wants the
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: Blazers to stay in Portland more than me.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: But.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I was also excited by all the opportunities that are there,
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: and that is that what is happening across the country,
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: it's not just the arena,
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: it's the area around it that becomes a big deal,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: that becomes an economic driver of your cities.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, we should have used it as an opportunity to do more.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm with you.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: So private dollars as well, not just public.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is,
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: you spend some time paying attention,
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: watching the legislature in in since I've been there.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I've I've been there.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was there as a small child when the Republicans were in control.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know anything about the policies really that happened.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just stuff I read now in history.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Or things I read that Democrats are mad about that happened in the 90s.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was there in 2013 for a few sessions,
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: and those were very close sessions in the Senate in terms of numbers,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: and that produced,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: a lot better policy.
• 41:18
  And then recently more in the near super minority and super
• 41:21
  minority when I've been back.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it is a story of missed opportunities essentially for Oregon,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: where there's so much that we could have done,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: but either failure to look some big interest in the eye and say,
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: you can't have everything you want today.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Or just the lack of vision,
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: like you said,
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: to capitalize on those opportunities really is the story of this last few
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: legislative sessions.
• 41:45
  For both parties,
• 41:46
  I think there's been opportunities that have been missed.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I think – and that kind of goes into this final question,
• 41:53
  and we've been giving each of the governor's candidates that
• 41:55
  have come on the
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: opportunity to talk about and energize people,
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: get people excited.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you can go either path.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can do both.
• 42:03
  What is a kind of day one executive order or a day one
• 42:07
  appointee that you want to
• 42:10
  announce or put forward that kind of gives people an idea of
• 42:12
  this is the kind of
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: government – this is how I govern.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is the kind of governor that I'm going to be because I think –
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 42:19
  you've talked about a lot of stats and a lot of important
• 42:21
  things and a lot of
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: things that a lot of Oregonians know about.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: What's something that you can share?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And partly this is just me and Brian wanting to break news,
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: but what's something you can share?
• 42:31
  Maybe a small specific thing of this is the kind of governor I
• 42:35
  am to get voters
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: excited about you,
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: especially in the primary and the general election.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: again,
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: running on the core messages,
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: education,
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: economy,
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: livability,
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: which is affordability and safety.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I think one thing that's there's a number of,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: the day one,
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe you announced names for coming in on,
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: when you're in the primary.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: And you do that as you get closer.
• 43:00
  And I do think that's going to be important as you get towards
• 43:04
  the general.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_03: on education, state of emergency on day one.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: And we have to refocus.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: And the good news with all these areas I'm talking about,
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: all these numbers,
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_03: is there are solutions.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: You look at education, for example.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: Mississippi,
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: they call it the Mississippi miracle,
• 43:30
  where Mississippi went from 47th to the top five in reading in
• 43:34
  just a couple years
• 43:35
  by focusing on the science of reading and accountability and a
• 43:40
  few other pieces in
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: there,
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: but made great strides quickly.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't based on more dollars.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was based on the way that you're teaching, the way you're handling.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: We have good kids and we have good teachers in our state,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: but we have a bad system,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: bad leadership.
• 43:57
  So focusing on day one on education,
• 44:00
  the economy,
• 44:01
  saying Oregon is open for business.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: We need somebody,
• 44:03
  we need a governor who will work with businesses that are here
• 44:07
  and recruit new
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: businesses to the state and build
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: be able to say that.
• 44:13
  We haven't had that since Governor Atiyah had to do it in her
• 44:16
  early 80s because
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oregon was in an economic crisis and had to make a transition.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_03: So focusing on the economy.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: One of the areas as governor that did not,
• 44:28
  I said there's a number of tools that the governor has that I
• 44:31
  didn't mention
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: earlier is the power of appointment.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: There's close to 300 boards and commissions in the state of Oregon,
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: as well as judges and agency heads.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: And not one person in any of those positions,
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: those 300 boards,
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: commissions,
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: or anywhere,
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: has been appointed by a Republican governor.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: Not one.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: So on day one, you can say, we're going to move.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to move to balance our state,
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: to get back on those boards,
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: commissions,
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: and at least restore some balance.
• 45:02
  That's a big,
• 45:03
  big deal that is often overlooked because that impacts everyday
• 45:06
  life in a big way.
• 45:08
  And that's something that comes across loud and clear as I
• 45:11
  travel the state.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: The message I get traveling the state is that Oregon's gone from business
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: unfriendly to business adversarial.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: And we need to change that and say, hey, as governor,
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: As governor,
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: I can guarantee you,
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: now I gotta get out of the super minority,
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: but as governor,
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: with the power of the pen,
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: I will not approve anything that is...
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: anti-business.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: And you've seen where every session,
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: business leaders or small business is scared what's coming next.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_03: So you can change that.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: On day one, you can say, no, you have a friend.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: And part of it's the communication too.
• 45:48
  It's shocking to me how little of communication there is
• 45:52
  sometimes between
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: whether small business or even big business, with the governor's office.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'll give you a classic example there.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: A friend of mine is a former CEO of Dutch Brothers.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he said this publicly, so I'm not talking out of school.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_03: But the governor's office called him,
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: five weeks before they moved to Arizona and said,
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: what can we do?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, well, you could have called two years ago or five years ago.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's like,
• 46:18
  To me,
• 46:19
  it is literally mind-boggling that you did not have any
• 46:22
  communication going up to there.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: So having a governor that will embrace business,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: but Oregon businesses,
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oregon values,
• 46:30
  the one in small business is so integral to our communities to
• 46:34
  be able to help
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: foster a growth situation is incredibly important.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: Another area I'm focused on is safety.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: We have to do a better job protecting our citizens.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of the key roles of governor.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: And another area beyond that is
• 46:51
  is getting the poison off our streets and i don't even and i
• 46:55
  differentiate between
• 46:56
  just drugs like a marijuana or something else and the poison
• 47:01
  that literally will
• 47:02
  kill you if you do it once twice three times like a fentanyl a
• 47:05
  trank those sort of
• 47:06
  things to me we have to get those off our street because they
• 47:09
  are literally uh and
• 47:11
  we don't have enough time to get into it now i know but it it
• 47:15
  saddens me how many
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: i've
• 47:17
  I've experienced either talking to a person who's overdosed and
• 47:23
  is no longer with
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: us or talking to parents of kids who've overdosed.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: Just how often that is happening in our state, it has to be stopped.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: So that's another area.
• 47:34
  So those are the core areas where on day one,
• 47:38
  I will be driving that agenda.
• 47:40
  hard education state of emergency of the economy we're open for
• 47:45
  business safety
• 47:46
  we're going to protect our streets and our parks and our
• 47:49
  playgrounds and wherever
• 47:50
  else and uh affordability is another issue which uh uh i am
• 47:56
  focused on uh and this
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: might be the news uh i'm focused on the uh focused on
• 48:04
  how hard it is for everyday oregonians to survive in our state
• 48:08
  right now right now
• 48:09
  over half our citizens are living month to month and you know
• 48:14
  frankly i know what
• 48:14
  that's like from having grown up in that situation you know
• 48:17
  what it's like when the
• 48:18
  car breaks down and you're like all right what do we do this
• 48:20
  month to be able to be
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: able to pay for it um we highlight and i've highlighted that
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: The high end,
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: the tax rate,
• 48:29
  Portland has the second highest tax rate in the nation next to
• 48:31
  New York City.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: But what's often overlooked is working class.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: We have the highest tax rates in the country on working class citizens.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_03: And if it's from 200 on down or 100 on down,
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: if you're making even 80,000,
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: you are paying the highest tax rate.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: personal income tax rate in the country.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so exciting to be doing that.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, why can't we fix that?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: That seems like a common sense thing everybody agrees on.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: To me, it is that we, that would be a day one.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_03: That'll be something I'm running on.
• 49:09
  Obviously,
• 49:10
  you'll have to push it through and it's,
• 49:12
  you know,
• 49:12
  you have to get support.
• 49:14
  But say we have to allow our working class citizenships to be
• 49:19
  able to live in Oregon.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: we want and again,
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: this is why running on a message that will have,
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: in my opinion,
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: have broad appeal from it doesn't matter if you're Republican,
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: independent,
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: Democrat,
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: you want good schools.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: You want jobs available.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: You want safe streets.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: And you want to be able to afford to live here.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: And those are the things that I'm focused on.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_03: And we need to address all those areas.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: So on day one, those will be my
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'll come in.
• 49:54
  It won't be a surprise to anybody because I'll be pounding the
• 49:56
  table on those areas.
• 49:58
  This is what we're doing to restore Oregon and get back to the
• 50:01
  way it should be.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: Don't shy away from the drug thing, Chris.
• 50:04
  I think you're on something there that I think people don't
• 50:08
  really want to talk
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: about because I think they think it's hard to talk about,
• 50:11
  but I think it's important because the drugs are literally
• 50:15
  killing people.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: If I have two minutes,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you how,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: Brian,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: this just really impacts me that I've probably spent
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: I've probably been in Old Town in Portland eight, ten times.
• 50:28
  Wallace Park outside of Salem is dirt world up here in the
• 50:33
  Redmond Bend area.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: Spending time with homeless.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 50:39
  it was in Portland when I got to know somebody in his mid-20s
• 50:43
  and he was kind of
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: getting to know his story and,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: he knew he was on drugs.
• 50:50
  and but developed a relationship and then a week later you find
• 50:53
  out he's dead from
• 50:54
  a fentanyl overdose and then i'm at as i'm traveling the state
• 50:58
  uh i was in boardman
• 51:01
  and somebody a lady comes up to me afterwards and and she tells
• 51:06
  me and i knew this
• 51:07
  but she tells me you know it's not just in the cities where
• 51:10
  this is happening uh
• 51:12
  she said my granddaughter uh overdosed last week and on
• 51:16
  fentanyl and died and she
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: thought she was smoking marijuana
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't know she was in and it killed her.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: And so that,
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: both of you guys know when you when you get into this and you get to,
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: the numbers and they roll off.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: You get familiar with them and you talk about them.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: But it's the stories behind the numbers that drive you,
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: that get you up every morning and get you out there.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just seeing what's happening in our society.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: our state on so many levels,
• 51:48
  whether it's from people not being able to afford to live here
• 51:52
  or parents worried
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: about their schools or from literally losing people to drug overdoses.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: It drives me and says, hey, we can do so much better as a state.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Especially with the kids.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: My boys are slightly younger than your kids,
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: but one's a senior now and my youngest and then the oldest is in college.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: But that was always my biggest fear was that they would go to some party.
• 52:17
  It wasn't the party back in the day when you go out to the
• 52:21
  reservoir of the lake
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: and it was just you're lucky if you got a Miller Lite out of the deal.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's, you know, somebody says, oh, here's just a pill.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's a marijuana or it's a gummy.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: But you don't know what's in that shit.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you see it.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I just told them all my boys.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 52:36
  that's my biggest fear whenever they're hanging out with their
• 52:38
  friends or,
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: because I know they're going to do certain things.
• 52:42
  You just got to like,
• 52:42
  dude,
• 52:42
  stay away from that stuff because I can kill you in an instant.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't I don't think they realize that.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I think because one or worst case,
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: even than that,
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: you get hooked and then you end up down this.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: This crazy downward spiral that puts you on the street.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the homeless stuff is all driven by drugs.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 53:00
  we keep trying to go treat homeless by throwing money into
• 53:03
  shelters and all this
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: other crap when we're not actually fixing the root problem,
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: which is drugs.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_03: We have an addiction crisis.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I mean, shelter is definitely part of it.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: We need shelter.
• 53:17
  But if you put somebody who's mentally ill or drug addicted
• 53:20
  into a new apartment,
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: what do you think is going to happen?
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's not going to work well.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_03: And so we have to focus on those core areas.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, crazy.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks, Chris.
• 53:31
  Thanks for coming on and wish you the best of luck on your
• 53:34
  campaign and all the
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: Republican candidates,
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: really.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a few that I wouldn't mind seeing drop out and get away.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: Whoever wins,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: the primary,
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think we do have a challenge,
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: but we have an opportunity.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you touched on it.
• 53:53
  I really think the opportunities what we have to focus on is we
• 53:56
  have an opportunity
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: to be a great state.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we have all the things, the makings of being a great state.
• 54:02
  But,
• 54:02
  man,
• 54:02
  we just know how to kick ourselves in the balls on the way to
• 54:05
  that.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: We do.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: We do.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: we got to get through,
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_03: get through,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: run on,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: run on the right message.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: and I'll argue right messenger and,
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: there's a path and we could get that energy going and I'm feeling it.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: I am, as I'm traveling the state, it's been so cool.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, even, you know, it doesn't matter where I am.
• 54:28
  I mean,
• 54:29
  we were having packed houses,
• 54:32
  um,
• 54:32
  and there's just an energy out there.
• 54:34
  And I had it,
• 54:35
  you know,
• 54:35
  I had an event in Portland where half the crowd was Democrats.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then I had a, uh, event here in sisters, just, uh,
• 54:43
  Oh,
• 54:43
  a week ago where there was 200 plus people and we put out
• 54:47
  notice like the day before.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: There is a real energy out there that I'm excited about.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think you and Ed both are creating the energy, I think.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: If I were to handicap the race,
• 55:00
  I think you two are creating the energy right now that I'm
• 55:03
  seeing translate up.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think it's going to be a two-person race, honestly.
• 55:11
  I think that it'll be between you two,
• 55:13
  and we'll see where that shakes out.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: in 2010,
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: you ran against Allen Alley,
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: who was pretty popular,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: but you only won that one by,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: what,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: three points?
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, it was more than that.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: It was like 20.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it might have been 10 or 12.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, but Alan was good.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: Every politician goes, well, you know, I won by more.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: He is a good man.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_03: I say that and he's endorsed me, which is nice.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: And that was something,
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: frankly,
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: that I will say,
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: is that when we ran and I try to follow up.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_03: Reagan's 11th Amendment,
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: we don't need to beat each other up with the personal stuff and all that.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_03: I run the high road.
• 56:03
  I run on my message and I'm friends with the people I ran
• 56:07
  against and that.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot about this primary.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Dudley, 39%.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: You got 122,000 votes.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're the only candidate to get over 100,000.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: Alan Alley got 31%.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: John Lim, 15%.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bill Sizemore, 7.5%.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was a crazy year.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_03: Bill was the deal before deal.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: And now you both live in Central Oregon.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Sizemore lives in Redmond.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: You live in Sisters.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody's coming over here.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's a good spot.
• 56:40
  So I think it's,
• 56:42
  yeah,
• 56:43
  that's where you can get fact check quickly,
• 56:44
  right?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody wants to say they won, but I was the one that was accurate.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: But good candidates, good race.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_03: And like I said, I remain...
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: friends with all of them afterwards.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's important that when you come out,
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: you're able to quickly say,
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: let's group together.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: We got to get this.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: I really think,
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: speaking of energy,
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: the only side that has any energy right now,
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: I believe,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: is Republicans.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in Oregon, there is no energy in the Democrat side.
• 57:20
  And I have a lot of Democrat friends too,
• 57:21
  and they're all kind of pretty bleh.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, they are.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: But you have to be able to run on a message
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: where you can win independents and some Democrats.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't, it's... I agree.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: You have to have that message.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a way of doing it.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so appreciate you both.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Chris.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: Appreciate it.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_03: Look forward to it.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'll see you guys down the road.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_03: See you, Chris.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Brian, we did it.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: We broke news.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Day one, executive order declaring an education state of emergency.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he might use that in his stump speech,
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: so it might not be the first time anyone's heard it,
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: but I think it's the first time it's been published.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll take it.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: Crosstabs, breaking news.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_02: I said a few things that I thought.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, I'm a Chris fan.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's no doubt about that.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: You probably kind of could tell that.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: You probably pushed back a little bit more than I did on it.
• 58:22
  I just think he brings a different thought to the race that was
• 58:28
  kind of needed.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I think we have this Christine Ed thing.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:33
  I just feel like Chris brings a different thought process in a
• 58:37
  primary that we have
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: to have that discussion because,
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: and I didn't bring it up in there,
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_02: but,
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: I still can't find a Republican.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I will ask Chris next time is how do you get above 45 percent?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_02: How do you get the 50 percent?
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I still don't know.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's just my biggest problem because I have to look at it analytically,
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: and I just have a hard time.
• 59:02
  The numbers are tough,
• 59:03
  and I think that that's where I start on this one is it's just
• 59:06
  –
• 59:08
  I don't know how you get there because and this is the thing is
• 59:12
  solving for Trump
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: is the hardest thing.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Bueller, this was his problem, too, I think.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: And really kneecapped him.
• 59:19
  I think there were other things that were sort of challenging
• 59:22
  about his campaign
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: and the way he ran.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: But his problem was the messenger.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not a Bueller fan, but that's OK.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: I would say he he delivers very robotically.
• 59:37
  What was weird to me was because I worked with him in the
• 59:40
  legislature and he was
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: very good person to person,
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: but he was not great in in public speaking situations.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel like he was necessarily a guy that was compelling,
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: that drove people to change sides essentially,
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: right,
• 59:54
  to move from a more conservative candidate to a very clearly
• 59:57
  less conservative
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: candidate.
• 59:58
  And that's the thing that I think Bueller did was he ran on I
• 1:00:02
  am not a conservative.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you know this,
• 1:00:04
  really hard to get conservative Republicans to vote and get
• 1:00:07
  excited for that.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if Dudley,
• 1:00:10
  and I think one of the things I like about Dudley is he's not
• 1:00:14
  rolling out the same
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: team that has run a lot of those races.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: Cause guess what?
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: The team that ran Bueller,
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: is the same team that ran Betsy Johnson, is the same team.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I liked Newt Bueller and I liked Betsy Johnson as people.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that there was a lot to like about them.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly would be better governors if they were governors today.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: But that team is the team that actually just hates Republicans.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so it turns out when your campaign hires people who hate Republicans,
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: everything about the campaign really turns off those Republicans.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that I think Dudley has done that's smart this time.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: And say,
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 1:00:50
  maybe I shouldn't take every chance I can to smash on and
• 1:00:54
  attack my base to try to
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: pick up some votes in the middle.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: You have to win votes in the middle.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have to win Democratic votes.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that at all.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's quite literally math.
• 1:01:03
  We have a nine,
• 1:01:03
  eight and a half point registration advantage for Democrats.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: You need independents.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: You need non-affiliates.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: You need moderate Republicans.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: You need conservative Republicans.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: Attacking any of those groups, though, is not how you get there.
• 1:01:15
  And I think that's the other thing about Dudley that's
• 1:01:17
  different is a lot of these
• 1:01:19
  candidates and even Betsy Johnson a little bit went on the
• 1:01:22
  attack mode against
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: Portland.
• 1:01:24
  And sure,
• 1:01:25
  that's an applause line,
• 1:01:26
  but that's very much preaching to the choir.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: And there's all these people in Portland who haven't moved yet.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so they probably don't hate Portland.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: They probably hate the way Portland is today.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Dudley speaks about Portland in a way that is positive,
• 1:01:40
  that is Ronald Reagan's shining city on a hill is what Portland
• 1:01:44
  should be type of
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: an idea.
• 1:01:45
  I think that that is another thing that's different about – and
• 1:01:50
  our Republicans in
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: the legislature,
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: you hear all the time.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: whether in public speaking,
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: whether in committee,
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: whether in,
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: just behind closed doors,
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: negative,
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: negative,
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: negative,
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: negative all the time.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that stuff is corrosive and has turned us into,
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: like you were talking about at the beginning,
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: a party of losers.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: And people are tired.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Republicans in Oregon are tired of losing.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: The rank and file are tired of losing.
• 1:02:14
  We got to stop listening to the negative voices that only want
• 1:02:17
  to talk about and
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: only want to do stuff that will cause us to lose.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that,
• 1:02:22
  That is – that's really the only opportunity that Dudley has to
• 1:02:26
  change things.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah,
• 1:02:28
  the only – of course,
• 1:02:30
  he did say everything's an emergency in the legislature.
• 1:02:33
  Then he said on day one he's going to declare a crisis,
• 1:02:36
  an emergency on education.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it just matters – that's a heading for doing stuff.
• 1:02:43
  And if the things on the list are good,
• 1:02:45
  the heading doesn't – isn't going to matter as much.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: The governor's declared a housing emergency,
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: and some of the things that she's done have been good.
• 1:02:52
  I think it's been unfortunately a little heavily tilted towards
• 1:02:55
  housing for
• 1:02:57
  homeless folks as opposed to just fixing the housing crisis and
• 1:03:00
  then fixing the
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: drug issue.
• 1:03:01
  But that's a Democrat-Republican disagreement about how to
• 1:03:04
  solve that problem.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's been the – Codex has been the –
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: Probably the most pro-housing governor we've had in a long time.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: By far.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: By far.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: But the bar was so low for her to be true.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because what you should do as a governor,
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: you should say,
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: basically,
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: and I got this from a Democrat,
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: so I'm not going to...
• 1:03:28
  Attributed to her,
• 1:03:29
  but she said what you should do is for five years,
• 1:03:33
  build like hell.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everything, every regulation is gone except for health and safety.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like there is no, there is no UGB.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: There is no just build.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: build, build, build, and try to catch up.
• 1:03:48
  Because the only way you're going to ever solve that problem is
• 1:03:51
  through abundance,
• 1:03:51
  right?
• 1:03:52
  You can only solve an emergency through an abundance of
• 1:03:55
  whatever it is you're trying to solve.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so you have to do that in the course of that.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be forever, but it does have to be.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: And that's right.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the same with education is you have to come in and say,
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: okay,
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_02: all of you,
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: this state of emergency,
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: and then here's how we're going to fix it.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not going to be
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: a little bite to the apple or do this or that.
• 1:04:16
  Like,
• 1:04:17
  no,
• 1:04:17
  no,
• 1:04:17
  no,
• 1:04:17
  we're going to clean this house,
• 1:04:20
  clean that house,
• 1:04:21
  change this.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: like you said,
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: with the was the Mississippi miracle or whatever,
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: down there,
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: there were some good things.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you and I have kind of talked about that with education.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: There's been that one.
• 1:04:32
  And I think like Maryland also had their own example of going
• 1:04:35
  kind of from the
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: bottom to the top.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: And
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Which means it's not partisan.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's just about solutions.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: And there are some very big interests in this state.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's the environmental interests who don't want solutions on housing.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: They don't.
• 1:04:48
  They put it in their marketing because they know they will get
• 1:04:51
  smacked around if they don't.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to build any more houses.
• 1:04:54
  And that's the dirty little secret that they won't tell
• 1:04:57
  anybody,
• 1:04:58
  but is true.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I have heard it.
• 1:05:01
  And they go around in private meeting rooms and in fundraisers
• 1:05:04
  and stuff,
• 1:05:05
  making sure that
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: that everybody knows that they still stand for building nothing.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then they go out in the public and they say, just responsible.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: We just want sideboards.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: We just want, and it's just not true.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: It really isn't true.
• 1:05:16
  And then you have,
• 1:05:17
  like you're talking about an education,
• 1:05:19
  you have an education establishment.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: A very, very bad education establishment.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately,
• 1:05:24
  I think it's an unholy union between a school boards
• 1:05:28
  association that has just
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: absolutely lost its way,
• 1:05:32
  both in terms of the people they have there now who are not
• 1:05:35
  interested in really
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: doing the things that would matter on local control.
• 1:05:41
  They're interested in preserving the status quo and a teachers
• 1:05:43
  union that is much
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: weaker than it used to be,
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: but it's still powerful enough to push,
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: especially in their in their endorsement meetings,
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: a far,
• 1:05:53
  far left agenda that's more focused on on Palestine kids than
• 1:05:57
  it is on Portland
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: kids,
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: frankly.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so these guys are the ones that are in the way of progress.
• 1:06:03
  And I think we started to see the dam break a little bit in
• 1:06:05
  this short session.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if Democrats go all in on abundance,
• 1:06:09
  and this plays into what we're going to talk about over the
• 1:06:11
  next few weeks in terms
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: of primaries,
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: is the choices that Democrat voters,
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: especially Democrats because they control the legislature right now,
• 1:06:18
  making these primaries is going to determine what kind of a
• 1:06:21
  state we're going to be
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: in these races where Democrats winning the general election,
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: whether we have a red wave or a blue wave.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: So they need to make the right choices to save their state.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if they elect a big Democrat socialist caucus, we're in trouble.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're in some serious trouble.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: And even Democrats will tell you.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 1:06:43
  they're saying it behind closed doors because they're afraid of
• 1:06:45
  what these guys
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: will do to them if they win,
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: which doesn't –
• 1:06:48
  I don't understand the point of that because they're going to
• 1:06:50
  take out leadership
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: they don't agree with as soon as they get big enough to do that.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: So you kind of should probably say, hey, the barbarians are at the gate.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: We probably shouldn't let them in.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I digress.
• 1:07:01
  I understand those are hard choices and you've got to pick your
• 1:07:03
  spots and all that.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hope the leadership on the Democratic side of the aisle is doing that.
• 1:07:07
  I believe they have folks that want to do that,
• 1:07:09
  that want to do the right thing.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a couple of these primaries where it is straight,
• 1:07:13
  flat out communist socialists versus people who believe in free
• 1:07:18
  markets and
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: freedom.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the battle.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then, Brian, that's always the battle.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's always freedom in America versus the communists.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: It always boils down to that.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: It has been for a while, I think.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then communism just will kind of boil back up.
• 1:07:33
  But I think communism boils up when you when capitalism kind of
• 1:07:37
  starts losing its
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: way a little bit.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because capitalism needs to bring up the bottom a little bit.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then people love capitalism because it makes their lives better.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: But that to make capitalism work means that.
• 1:07:51
  Reagan needs to go out and start a business and start his own
• 1:07:54
  carpet cleaning business.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then he hires,
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:07:56
  three other guys and then they franchise into another town and
• 1:08:00
  start a carpet
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: cleaning business.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then,
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_02: now all of a sudden Reagan becomes a millionaire because,
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_02: our quasi millionaire makes,
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  half a million dollars a year and he's hiring people and
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  they're bringing in and
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  SPEAKER_02: they're winning.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what I think what we're having in this,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially in our state and even in the country as a whole,
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  SPEAKER_02: is that we're not
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  it's harder and harder for you to go start that carpet cleaning
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  business.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's harder and harder for you to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And,
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  SPEAKER_02: and,
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  SPEAKER_02: and so then the,
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  SPEAKER_02: the socialism kind of starts taking hold because people go,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's not fair that Elon Musk has that much money.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's not fair that Jeff Bezos has that much money.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they use these big examples,
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  SPEAKER_02: but they're,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: none of us are going to be that,
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  SPEAKER_02: but some of us can be the carpet cleaning,
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  SPEAKER_02: cleaning king of Lenn County.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that just because my dad ran a carpet cleaning business?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that why?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I am.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that was subconsciously put into my deal.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the reality is that, right?
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  Like I don't care if it's an electrician or whatever the thing
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  may be that motivates you.
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  But the reality is most people can have an awesome life in
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  America through owning
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  SPEAKER_02: some random little professional service like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: versus Elon Musk,
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  but they use Elon Musk to really drive their agenda on
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  socialism is you're not
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  SPEAKER_02: going to ever make anything because of X,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think we'll break down.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't wait till we break down.
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  We're going to have to have like a – because,
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  I mean,
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  we got some crazy primaries out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're going to have to do like a two-episode breakdown,
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  SPEAKER_02: one on the Ds and one on the Rs,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot going on, and we're going to break down.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's probably going to take us –
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe next week we'll do it, I mean, or the week after.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to wait too long, so we'll definitely do it pretty soon.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have one more governor's interview to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ed Deal's going to come on hopefully this week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think we have a tentative date set up.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll be curious to hear about that one.
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  And then,
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  yeah,
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  then I think,
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  Reagan,
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  after that last governor's primary,
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  then it's got to be –
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: All like legislative stuff.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll get back into the legislative primaries.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Few more interviews with some people.
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  I know I've been getting some emails and texts from people
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  wanting to get on and
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: interview our commission stuff.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I've even gotten a commissioner,
• 1:10:16
  a couple of commissioner candidates that want to come on
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  because they heard us say
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  SPEAKER_02: we were going to break down the commission races.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we've got a lot of work to do, Reagan.
• 1:10:23
  I mean,
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  maybe we'll have to start podcasting every day,
• 1:10:25
  but you won't let me.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I...
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  SPEAKER_02: I will not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Twice a week is a lot already, Brian.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you worked with me usually to shorten the episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was a longer one.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you only get one chance to interview Mr. Chris Dudley.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to take our opportunity and maximize it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll see how it goes.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll have him on again as we get right up close to the primary.
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  But I think that was a good interview for people to kind of at
• 1:10:50
  least get a take of
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  SPEAKER_02: where he's coming from.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: I do like that he just focuses on what he's doing.
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  you know,
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  doesn't seem to necessarily even care what the other candidates
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  are doing.
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  It's like,
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  you know,
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  I mean,
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  I'm sure he's paying attention,
• 1:11:06
  but he's just doing him.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't want to talk about it.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's smart.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think he right now he's introducing himself again to voters.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, his name idea is not what it was in 2010.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's not the same as Drazen.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that makes sense.
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  I think the last question and really the hardest thing to
• 1:11:20
  answer and the thing that
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I am interested to see
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:11:25
  And I think his approach feels a little bit out of time or at
• 1:11:30
  least different
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_00: because it's not the Trump approach.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Every candidate today is trying to do their best imitation of Trump.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's Oregon, so they got to kind of be a little bit sneaky about it.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: But you just see that they're active on social media,
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: out there attacking the issues they pick to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very different than the issues that were –
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  of the,
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  I would say,
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  very Bush-era Republican Party or even the kind of Romney 2012
• 1:11:56
  style.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Dudley feels very much like a Romney 2012, a 2000-era Bush Republican.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the real question is, for him...
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  SPEAKER_00: Does he bring that back, and can he do it successfully?
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where I also – I don't know the answer.
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  I have some doubts about that just because of how MAGA the
• 1:12:17
  Republican primaries get these days.
• 1:12:19
  I mean you've worked in a couple of primaries recently,
• 1:12:22
  working in a few more maybe.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Very MAGA heavy.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: At least the active Republicans are very MAGA.
• 1:12:28
  Maybe there's a bunch of quiet Republicans that really are just
• 1:12:31
  – they're just
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  SPEAKER_00: going to quietly go out there,
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: and they're going to vote for Chris Dudley.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to push him over –
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  SPEAKER_00: uh, the top.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_00: But the real question is,
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: is even if he has the most money,
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_00: which I don't know that he will,
• 1:12:41
  but he has the potential to obviously with Phil Knight backing
• 1:12:43
  him is even if you,
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: if you spend all of the money on the wrong ad,
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: you don't win necessarily.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so what's, what's his message going to be?
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: when rubber meets the road,
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: when you have to drop the mail,
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_00: when you have to put the TV up,
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: He can talk about whatever he wants right now.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's he going to do when it gets into,
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: the real time and when ballots are dropping all that stuff and,
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_00: and,
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  and how does he stick to those same things or does he push a
• 1:13:09
  little bit more,
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: to the right to help him out?
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_00: I, I'm interested to see all that.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's going to be fascinating to watch.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: It will.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Good times.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in the interest of your time, we can end the podcast.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_02: But we'll end it with a trailblazer in high tops.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll put that in the edit at the end.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: So people,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: it's not the best of songs,
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: but I mean,
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: how many people get songs written about them?
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  SPEAKER_02: So we'll put it on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: See you right again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Brian.
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  SPEAKER_01: 16 season.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hardwood miles on your shoes.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Pain on your elbow.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sweating the garden room.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Big man screening.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Taking hits for the crew.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Portland roaring.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every night they believed in you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey Chris Dully.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Trailblazer in high top.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hey.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Box out the Giants.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: They
• 1:14:25
  From the low post fight to the state house talk You were
• 1:14:29
  crashing the glass then
• 1:14:30
  you carried the rock Hey Chris Dudley Trailblazer in high top
• 1:14:38
  Letcher's buzzing But
• 1:14:41
  you're thinking bigger fight Paychecks paid stuff How to turn
• 1:14:49
  on working life Jobs
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: on your chart board
• 1:14:55
  Numbers underlined in red Cut the weight from the rafter Let
• 1:15:02
  the folks get ahead
• 1:15:03
  Hey Chris Dudley Trailblazer in and high top Oh yeah From the
• 1:15:13
  Ping Kong road to the
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: policy shop
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's a long run from the lane to the campaign trail.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Same old pressure, same chance to fail.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you take that charge, plant your feet, stand tall.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Win or lose on the board, you still get it your own.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Chris Dudley, trailblazer in high top.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: From the crowded paint to the band.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: You were fighting for change like a game on the run.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Chris Dudley, trailblazer in high top.