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Brian talks with Cory Bowman - In Studio - Not Afraid to be Positive · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Seven oh six here at fifty five cars de Talk station.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday. Obviously I have a smile on my face.
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  Speaker 1: I do love Fridays, but even bigger smile on my
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  Speaker 1: face because I look across this table here and it's
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, former Marrial candidates, still actively engaged and matters
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  Speaker 1: related in the city of Cincinnati, a city in which
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  Speaker 1: he lives, has his business and his church. Corey Bowman,
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  Speaker 1: good to see you today, Man.
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  Speaker 2: As always, what's awesome to hear. Thank you, and good
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  Speaker 2: morning to everybody listening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hear my talk with Josh Garth the
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  Speaker 1: other day about his being elector of the Hamlet kunty
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  Speaker 1: of Republican Party chair. Yeah, Enthusiasm, positivity If folks, if
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  Speaker 1: you're listening and you didn't hear Josh Girth, get the
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  Speaker 1: podcast fifty five CASA dot com. You know, after ending
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  Speaker 1: the conversation I had when was man, he actually made
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  Speaker 1: me feel positive and hopeful maybe for the future of
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, because you know, I'm the kind of
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  Speaker 1: guy that looks at Hamilton County anymore and just says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, last man out, bring the flag. And he
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  Speaker 1: said that, well, maybe keep the flag and we'll see
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  Speaker 1: if we can't turn things around.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so last Tuesday we selected a new chairman
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  Speaker 2: for the GOP party and I talked with both candidates
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  Speaker 2: that were putting their names in the ring Tuda, and
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  Speaker 2: both of them were great candidates.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like there was a positive way no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: And I told both of them, no matter what, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to extend my hand to try to work with
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  Speaker 2: you because we're all on the same team here, trying
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  Speaker 2: to flip the city, trying to be able to make
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  Speaker 2: impact wherever we can.
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  Speaker 3: I will say this.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to Josh's interview too, and he seemed a
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  Speaker 2: lot more enthusiastic and energized than before too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, and that's what I wanted to ask you
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  Speaker 1: about because I wasn't at the meeting, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: boiling it down to kind of the summarize all the
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  Speaker 1: information I heard about the Republican meeting and when Joshka
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  Speaker 1: won the vote, is that it was a little contentious. Maybe, well, it.
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  Speaker 3: Was just like a process.
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  Speaker 2: Democratic processes right nowadays, you know, involve you know, whether
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  Speaker 2: you call it backbinding, name calling, whatever. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that that was the candidates necessarily, but people are
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  Speaker 2: very passionate about this position. People are very passionate about
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton County in general, and a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: frustrated with the direction that the whether it be the
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  Speaker 2: party or whether it be just the elections have gone.
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  Speaker 2: And so I take that as a positive because you
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  Speaker 2: can take that passion and yeah, it might have been
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  Speaker 2: through a kind of grueling process as far as selecting
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  Speaker 2: the chairman, but now we can come together and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a new direction, we've got a new chairman,
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  Speaker 2: and so let's all take that passion and put it
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  Speaker 2: toward the good of the party. And I'm excited. I'm
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  Speaker 2: really excited. I congratulated Josh. We've had many conversations and
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about the direction he's gonna take it
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  Speaker 2: as well. And I think that there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good foundational things that are gonna be with
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  Speaker 2: the party, but also a lot of new ideas and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of new things when it comes to getting
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  Speaker 2: people involved.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I share your opinion about either one. Robert Rohlman,
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  Speaker 1: you know, respected man.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody likes great judge in the past and been endorsed
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  Speaker 2: by the party, so he had a great track record
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: So to the extent, they have different ideas on going forward,
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  Speaker 1: like a campaign promise, here's the direction I want to go. No,
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  Speaker 1: here's the direction I want to go, says the other candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Are were they a part in terms of prioritization because
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  Speaker 1: I know fundraising is important. You got to get the
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  Speaker 1: message out, you know, fielding candidates to actually run for races,
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  Speaker 1: notably judicial races, which Josh brought up. And absolutely if
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  Speaker 1: you don't see a Republican on the ballot for any
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  Speaker 1: given position in the county, I viewed that as a failure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but then you move away and you find out that
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  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't for trying, lack of trying. You
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  Speaker 1: just can't find someone who's willing to run for a
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  Speaker 1: judicial post in Hamilton County because they don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: worth the effort. They don't think it's worth the hassle
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  Speaker 1: if they get elected.
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  Speaker 2: I guess well, I think that one of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: things about getting future candidates on the ballot is you've
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  Speaker 2: got to have leadership. And this isn't just at the
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  Speaker 2: top with Chairman Josh Girth, this is with the committees
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  Speaker 2: and anybody that's involved. You've got to have leadership that
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  Speaker 2: candidates feel, hey, they're gonna have their back. This is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a support system, This is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a good vision for us to get behind as
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  Speaker 2: far as candidates go. You know, I keep going back
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  Speaker 2: to Chairman Mock. You know, he was extremely encouraging from
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  Speaker 2: day one, whenever I even touted the insane idea of
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  Speaker 2: running for mayor of Cincinnati, and he was there every
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  Speaker 2: step of the way. And I mentioned that at the
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  Speaker 2: meeting too. So I like to give credit where credit
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  Speaker 2: is due, and then when it comes to this process.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my friend I was as you were talking,
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  Speaker 2: I was reminded my friend, our mutual friend, Christopher Smithman.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he.
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  Speaker 2: Told me, because I was really in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the mayor race, I was researching policy, legislation, resolutions, the
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  Speaker 2: all the rules that are in city council sessions, just
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  Speaker 2: trying to get an understanding of the job that I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to apply for.
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  Speaker 3: That's how and Smithman.
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  Speaker 2: Kept telling me, like, you know, obviously that's important, but
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  Speaker 2: he said, ultimately, people won't vote for you based on that.
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  Speaker 2: People are going to vote for you if they like
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  Speaker 2: you or not. And so I think when it comes
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  Speaker 2: down to it, you had the experience of Josh Garth.
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  Speaker 2: He had kind of had a track record, but then
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  Speaker 2: when he got up and he talked about his vision,
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  Speaker 2: people ended up liking a lot and they said, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, this is something we can get behind. And
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  Speaker 2: that's not saying people didn't like Ruleman, That's just basically
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  Speaker 2: saying that, hey, this is somebody that I feel like
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  Speaker 2: overall for the years to come, is going to add
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  Speaker 2: that positivity, add that likability to the party, and we
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  Speaker 2: can all get behind that well.
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  Speaker 1: And not the disparage. Robert Rulman jash Girth is younger
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  Speaker 1: than Bob Roland right Well.
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  Speaker 2: When I found out his age, I realized he looks
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  Speaker 2: a lot younger too. So now a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: articles were using he was laughing that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the articles were using his high school photos. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of like the first time I met you,
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  Speaker 2: which I think you look you know better now than
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  Speaker 2: you do in your previous profile pitch. Every time every
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  Speaker 2: time I get a picture of you is from yours.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, like, that's not the Brian I know.
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  Speaker 1: Come on now, I know man, and I'd laugh at
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  Speaker 1: that every time. And I don't look like the one
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  Speaker 1: that's on my page now anymore because of course my
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  Speaker 1: hair's gone full gray.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for anybody listening, he looks ten times better and
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  Speaker 2: personally does on any of those old school profile pictures,
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  Speaker 2: especially in your Red Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Today shows will get you everywhere, you know. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing that I noticed about Russ Mock he seemed to
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  Speaker 1: have a lower profile. Alex Chreantha Fiela would come on
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  Speaker 1: the program all the time talk about what's going on
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  Speaker 1: in Hamilton County and you know, he just was everywhere
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and I just didn't get that sense
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  Speaker 1: from from Russ Mock.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that overall he The thing about
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  Speaker 2: Chairman Mock is that he had an incredibly level head,
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  Speaker 2: right like she never allowed the emotions of anything to
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  Speaker 2: kind of dictate his direction. He basically was just there
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  Speaker 2: to maintain, to support and to help in whatever capacity
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  Speaker 2: that he could. Obviously, with that came limitations, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's limitations to what he could do or couldn't do.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that with Josh he's kind of tackling
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those issues that we've seen in the
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  Speaker 2: past and then kind of adjusting things based on what
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  Speaker 2: we've learned in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Good, learn from your mistakes, learned what worked, and move
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  Speaker 1: forward with the best. Absolutely and again enthusiasm. You got
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  Speaker 1: to make it at least seem like it's going to matter,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to have a difference, that you get the
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  Speaker 1: support from the Hamilton Kunded Republican Party for all these races,
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  Speaker 1: that there will be money to support the candidates. And
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  Speaker 1: that is the ultimate challenge, because it's all about money.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one thing that both candidates said is that we've
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  Speaker 2: got to make it fun again. And I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that overall a lot of people think
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  Speaker 2: that negativity and just doomsday is what's going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of earn the votes. Yeah, it gets a lot of cliques,
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  Speaker 2: It gets a lot of clicks. But what I realize
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  Speaker 2: is that people are actually hungry to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of something positive, some type of movement that's going to
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  Speaker 2: lead us in brighter days rather than darker saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're just gonna try to grab the helm of this
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  Speaker 2: post apocalyptic world that we live in. No, there's bright
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  Speaker 2: day's head. I was just even listening to the weather
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  Speaker 2: segment today and they were like, yeah, the sun's out,
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  Speaker 2: it's great. I was listening to traffic today and with
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Ingram was basically saying, hey, there's no res today.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. So I gravitate toward those type of things,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I'm extremely optimistic for the Republican Party
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  Speaker 2: and what's to come well.
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  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that optimism. I appreciate your gravitating toward that.
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  Speaker 1: I was lamenting earlier in the week about how depressed
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling because every days this it's this gloom
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  Speaker 1: and doom story. It's that gloom and doom story.
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  Speaker 2: We go telling me, you guy, I get windows in here, man, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: or at least put a beach or something on these TVs.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, maybe I use the TVs for that
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  Speaker 1: to that answer. These have never been on. I'm staring
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  Speaker 1: at four TVs that I can see. One of them
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  Speaker 1: is behind me that has the fifty five KRC logo.
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  Speaker 1: They're black all the time. Maybe that's adding to the
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  Speaker 1: negativity in the room. But you know what, Before I
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  Speaker 1: advocate for an actual window or even doing that, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna try to get Joe Strek or a raise twenty
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  Speaker 1: years in radio this December.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, congratulations, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Listen. Joe just said he's been here thirty years, thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: He's still making the Remember the old minimum wage was
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  Speaker 1: like two seventy five an hour. Okay, Yeah, they never
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  Speaker 1: did up that for some reason didn't get w into
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  Speaker 1: the walls.
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  Speaker 3: He still doesn't get tips on top of that.
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  Speaker 1: Seven to fifteen right now, if you five Garze the
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  Speaker 1: Dog Stage twenty two three, Route forty two between Mason
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  Speaker 1: eleven of My favorite gun store, Good Morning, the talk
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  Speaker 1: station seven nineteen week about KRCD Talk station Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 1: to Corey Bumban form MARYL Canada was talking to him.
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  Speaker 1: I did that twenty two three spot. The twenty two
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  Speaker 1: three is not related to the calibers of Proverbs chapter
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, verse three, the prudency danger and take refuge,
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  Speaker 1: but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. So anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking at Pastor Corey Bauman, among other things
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  Speaker 1: about city of Cincinnati topics. We're gonna pivot over to
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  Speaker 1: something that I was glad you posted on your Facebook
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  Speaker 1: page this morning, the brawl going on at the Public
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  Speaker 1: library in Cincinnati this on the heels of this new
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  Speaker 1: plan that just was released yesterday Summer of Discovery initiative.
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  Speaker 1: So if a juvenile's charged with a crime, he has
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  Speaker 1: to obtain pre trial requirements of first off, obtain a
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  Speaker 1: library card, and then they have to obtain a membership
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  Speaker 1: in their neighborhood SINCINNTA Recreation Center or YMCA, and also
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  Speaker 1: bring a copy of the last quarter grades into the
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  Speaker 1: next court hearing, so I know they have. When we
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  Speaker 1: were we're going to get to iris rolling in Government
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  Speaker 1: Square here in in our discussion here this morning before
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  Speaker 1: we pivot to that. One of the reasons Government Square
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  Speaker 1: was a problem with juveniles because all of these schools,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bus traffic was there, and apparently if you're
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  Speaker 1: from another school or you don't get along with the
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  Speaker 1: other school, that's what ends up in problems. So forcing
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  Speaker 1: these various young people who've been charged to get a
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  Speaker 1: library card is going to put them all kind of
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  Speaker 1: like Government Square in one spot arguably. But this new
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  Speaker 1: library card obligation if they've been charged, just kicked in.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently the public library downtown is the site of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fights and brawls, and you got one
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  Speaker 1: on video on your Facebook. What do you what do
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  Speaker 1: you how do you react to that? What do you
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  Speaker 1: say about that? Generally speaking?
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  Speaker 2: Cory, Well, I would say it's very sad because the
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  Speaker 2: main location downtown is where I take my kids on
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  Speaker 2: a regular basis. You know, I have to check because
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that my kids got like ten books
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  Speaker 2: up in their room that I've got to return soon
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  Speaker 2: and so they'll be.
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  Speaker 3: Coming after me.
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  Speaker 2: But the the location itself downtown is like architecturally and
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  Speaker 2: just beauty wise of everything is incredible. It is an
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  Speaker 2: insane you know, just design and beauty and just right
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  Speaker 2: in the heart of downtown. And actually, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was looking up and it is the most well funded
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  Speaker 2: and it is one of the busiest even in the
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  Speaker 2: country as far as public libraries goes in downtown cities
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  Speaker 2: in America. So it is a staple in our city.
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  Speaker 2: And one thing I did notice was that specifically just
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  Speaker 2: driving by is you do see a lot more the
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  Speaker 2: homeless population. You see a lot more, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: whether you call it loitering or whatever, people won't call it.
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  Speaker 2: Hangout whatever you want, but it's not necessarily an appealing thing.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever you want to go into the library, and you
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  Speaker 2: want to go there with your kids and everything. You
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  Speaker 2: want to feel safe. But unfortunately, and this is the
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  Speaker 2: same case with CRC owned properties as well, in rec
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  Speaker 2: centers and parks. We've talked about parks on the show
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  Speaker 2: in the past. These city owned properties a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times have very lenient rules when it comes to this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And you're seeing, for example.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're seeing an increase in these violent instances.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw that article. I was actually very surprised
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  Speaker 2: at the news age that I think it was. Was it, No,
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  Speaker 2: it was Local twelve that report on it. And the
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  Speaker 2: violence is actually increasing at the local library. And that's
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  Speaker 2: sad because a lot of people this is actually kind
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  Speaker 2: of a tourist spot, just like the Cincinnati Children's Museum.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people want to come downtown just for
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  Speaker 2: the library. But you're seeing this And I can't emphasize
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  Speaker 2: this enough that I believe that the most important race
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  Speaker 2: in our city is a juvenile judge this year when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to voting in November, Susan Luken is running
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  Speaker 2: for juvenile judge, and the current judge right now, instead
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  Speaker 2: of actually enforcing the law, does stuff like this to
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  Speaker 2: where it just enables the behavior and just tries to
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  Speaker 2: train the juveniles, train young people instead of obeying the law,
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  Speaker 2: how to kind of find loopholes in the law. And
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  Speaker 2: I really don't agree with it, because when we are downtown,
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  Speaker 2: when we are in the West End, one of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest issues is youth violence. And I was talking to
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine, Judge McDowell, and he said that
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  Speaker 2: because he's very firm upholds the law, great judge that
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  Speaker 2: is on the ballot this year as well, but he
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  Speaker 2: says that consistently, you have eighteen year olds that come
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  Speaker 2: into the court system and when they get a harsh
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  Speaker 2: sentence or when they get a conviction that lines up
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  Speaker 2: with the act that was committed, they are shocked because
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  Speaker 2: these are repeat offenders that have gone through the court
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  Speaker 2: system before. Just under the juveniles. Once they actually get
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  Speaker 2: of age, they're shocked because, hey, you're telling me that
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  Speaker 2: there's accountability when I'm an adult. You're tell me, so
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  Speaker 2: this has to start at the beginning. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm you know, Judge Luken, that's why I'm advocating for
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  Speaker 2: that very strongly this year.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to the November election, well.
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  Speaker 1: You just emphasize and pointed out that the giant elephant
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  Speaker 1: in the room. There has to be some accountability, even
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  Speaker 1: for young people. And I think this leniency is born
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  Speaker 1: to this idea that, well, you know, they're young, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what their home life is like. And
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  Speaker 1: I get all that. Yeah, the sort of warm and
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  Speaker 1: fuzzy realities. They want to push off the behavior, just
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  Speaker 1: excuse it because life isn't perfect in any given person's world.
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  Speaker 1: But that that maybe for lack of parenting. What do
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  Speaker 1: parents do? Good parents do? What do they do? What
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  Speaker 1: would my dad do? If I was caught out at
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  Speaker 1: two o'clock on there's consequences. I'd get my butt beaten.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, absolutely, there would be absolute cont sequences. You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's what needs to take place with the juvenile courts.
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  Speaker 1: If they don't have a spanking at home because there's
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  Speaker 1: a concern parent that wants to teach him the right direction,
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  Speaker 1: learn ethical rules and disciplinary rules, then the judge's got
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  Speaker 1: to step in and be that person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it really didn't help if you
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  Speaker 2: had a father that had a large waistline, because that
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  Speaker 2: means a bigger belt, you know, and longer reach, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was praying that my dad would lose
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  Speaker 2: weight over every summer so that he could use shorter belts.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is, and for anybody that didn't see
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  Speaker 2: the article, what's happening is that there's consistent violence that's
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  Speaker 2: happening downtown in the library, not just outside on the streets.
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  Speaker 2: This is happening in the library. And what happened was
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: what I think that speaks volumes to it was it
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: was an anonymous employee that's trying to raise awareness of it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now, the majority of city
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: employees they vote Democrat, you know, and this isn't a
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Republican or Democrat issue. This is, Hey, I'm working and
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I feel unsafe in the library on a daily basis.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: And they had to actually, like the sky's the voice
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: of the employee on the news article because they don't
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: want their fear of losing their job. And so when
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: and I saw that all last year during the mayor race,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about city employees that would reach out to
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: me and say, hey, I can't talk about this, you know,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: publicly or anything, but this is what's happening, and we're
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: all fed up with this, or we're fed up with
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: how this is being run. And when you start hearing
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, you realize things have got to change.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: A city hall and city and the city owned properties
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and the city funded properties and initiatives like this. We
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: got to spend our money better.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: It's okay because Han't County Juvenile Court administrative Judge Kerry
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Bloom is going to give them all library cards. So
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: there's even more of them, the actually the ones who
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: allegedly committed crimes, or at least have been accused of
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: committing crimes. Yeah, I'm let's put them on the library.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: We don't need we don't need twenty twenty. We just
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: need the library.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: We'll don't go away. We got a lot more talk
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: about with Quary Bowman. It's some of the talk station
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: abou KRCD talk station. I'm happy a one hour from
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: out here from Jack windsor from the Ipress network. In
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the meantime, we get the benefit of Corey Bowman in
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: studio talking about city issues and Corey Bowman, former Maryal
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: candidate but also a business owner in the West End
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and pastor in the West End. Get good congregation going
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: over there.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a community church right there by the soccer stadium,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: high school stadium, Taft and Hayes Porter, And we love
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: our congregation members. I know you do very based on
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: outreach and just impact in the community.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And you know that in your King's Arms coffee shop,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I understand the police like to hang out there. It's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a safe place to have a cup of coffee.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, we're very thankful for the patrolling.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: We're very thankful for the cops just doing their job
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: around the area. And then we have a discount for
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: first responders. We love having, whether it be firefighters, first responders,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: even city employees. I tell everybody you know, we're no
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: stranger at anybody at King's Arms. So just anybody that
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: comes in, you're going to get a one welcome from us.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And hopefully a good cup of coffee. I hear the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: coffee is good, the.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Best in the city, best in the city.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: All right, that's not a biased to pay all Corey Bommen,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: all right, let's stick with the library from him, because
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: we were talking about the fights and the brawls. Obviously
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: we find out from reporting in the videos that this
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: is a regular phenomenon going on. But as somebody that
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: goes to the library. Have you felt unsafe there, because,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: as you pointed out, you got the little kids, you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: got the toddlers, you got the kids are in the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: kids section. That's where that fight was, you pointed out
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to me, because it's been a long time since I've
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: been to the downtown library. But yeah, it's a little frightening.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, we were talking during the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: break that you know, a lot of city funded properties,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of public spaces, whether it be with parks.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I mean we're seeing this actually across the country, even
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: in Washington, DC right now. And everything is that if
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you have lenient policies when it comes to these public spaces.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: You know, public spaces are public spaces, right, so we
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: should be able to enjoy them as taxpayers, as people
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: who live in the city. But then at the same time,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: there needs to be rules, rules of conduct, and there
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: needs to be you know, adherence to whether it be
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: cleanliness or or loitering or or whatever that might be.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: But those policies and those rules are becoming more and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: more lenient at these public facilities, just like with the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: CINCINNTI Public Library, And because of that, you're seeing more loading,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you're seeing people that you know, they might be hanging
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: out at the front or even hanging out in the lobby,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: but it's like they are not here for a library car.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: They're not here even to use the computers. Because here's
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the thing too. Public libraries for years have served as
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: an essential service for homeless population to be able to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: get on a computer, to apply for a job, to
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: be able to do things. And that's something that I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: actually feel is very important. But it has to come
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: with rules and consequences for bad behavior, and those consequences
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: aren't available right now.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know the sort of the circuitest route
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: we go on it off air, you point it out.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: The libraries and the parks and the rec centers. These
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: are some of the only venues that young people have.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Because you have a neighborhood, like say the West End,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: struggling community, businesses had struggled to stay open a lot.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: It can be blamed because the city council's rules, regulations
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and demands and needs and everything. Yeah, and we've been
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: over that before, Corey. But if you don't have a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: thriving community where there's stuff to do in your neighborhood
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: as a young person, then you're going to go end
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: up going to the library, and that's all well and good,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: But if that results in a bunch of fights, you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: go to the library, you get in a fight, if
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you were charged, you'd have to get a library card
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: now under the new rules, which I suppose you already
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: had when you were in the library. But the end
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: result is if it's not a safe place because people
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: aren't cracking down on it and preventing it from happening,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: then people aren't going to want to go there. If
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I was fifteen years old and I thought I was
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: going to get that crap kit ac oude of me
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: at the library because it happens all the time, dude,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not going there.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I think about like the since a Children's museum
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that's at at the train station downtown. That's one of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the most iconic buildings inside of the Allue, right amazing lot.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I mean sometimes I'll just if I'm like just getting
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: off of work, I'll just drive my kids there just
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to look at the lobby, Yeah, and just look all
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the mural and then go back. But imagine if you
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: are constantly seeing videos of fights in all the exhibits
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: inside the museum, well, then you're gonna be like, well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: if that's what's going on, I don't really want to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: bring my kids there. My coffee shop is right by
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the museum and we constantly get people coming in that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: are visiting from out of town that are here just
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: for the museum, right. So in the same way with
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the library, if you see videos like this, then during
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the summer months, when people want to come down with
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: their kids out of school to come to the Cincinnati
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Downtown Public Library, you're going to see that affected. Just
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: like we saw last year with the restaurants and with
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: everybody coming downtown. It impacts the visitors and the money
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to be flowing into our city.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: It's just like people giving up and moving away, or
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like people in the burbs who think, you know what,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I really would like to go to the Museum Center,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but I see so much crime in downtown Cincinnati generally speaking,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that I'm not going to set foot in the city.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And I've had people say that to me just countless time.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Screw the city. I'm not going down there. I don't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: want to get the crap beat out of me. That's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the city generally without geographic boundaries, not talking about the library,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: or Government Square or a park, just the whole city.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: What it is too, is that a lot of people
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: say do you feel safe? This is like the words
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that we say, right, do you feel safe downtown? And
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: there's this constant battle, especially online, where people that live
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: downtown and say, well, I feel safe.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I've never had it happen.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: What I realize is that people that live downtown are
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: just so adamant on advocating for the downtown and that side.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: If they've never experienced it themselves, then they're saying everybody
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: else that they're just blowing smoke, right, But the reality
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of it is that it's not about just the consistent
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: feeling of it. It's that it could happen at any point.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: There's been shootings that have happened on East mcmackon at
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: one point fifty two pm, just as school's about to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: get let out, right by an elementary school there. There's
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: been shootings at Fountain Square at eight twenty pm where
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: people are just trying to enjoy a downtown meal at
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Jeff Ruby's across the street. There has been constant things
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that have happened. I think about Caschandra win last year
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that was walking home at ten pm from work and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: gets gunned down by a drive by shooting. And this
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is a single mom of five children. And so just
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: because it didn't happen to you, just because maybe you
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: haven't encountered something, doesn't mean that any moment, because of
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the lax policies, because of the anarchy that's kind of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: been allowed to happen downtown, that this could escalate to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a situation where it could affect you. And I've talked
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to many people that vote one way, but once it
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: happened to them, then they vote another way. Case in point,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a woman named Sarah Harringer or her husband got brutally
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: stabbed in murdered downtown. Never thought it could happen to her.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: She was trying to let people know in the area, Hey,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: we need to do something about the crime, because there's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: constantly things happening. But then in one moment, her life
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: was impacted, her husband's life was taken away, and then
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, people like that then it happens
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to them. Indeed, well, and we got to prevent that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: across the board.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You talk about Sarah Heringer was thinking her before you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: even brought her up because she I mean, to your point,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: ye safe downtown or you you're constantly avocating for downtown
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: because you love it so much, you're overlooking the problems,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: or you get numb to it. She said she was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the gunfire so often that it's pay attention anymore.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Last night on North Bend Road, we heard shots and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: immediately you just get desensitized to oh, yeah, that's this
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: normal thing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Good God, Pause, we'll bring it back. I mean, we
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: got a while ago with Corey Buman here going through
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the issue. Octually went along in that segment, got a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes. You're more with Corey bum before we
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: have to take another break. But it's a great opportunity.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, we were just talking about you went. You
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: visited Washington, d C. And it is it's clean. They've
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: cleaned all the monuments. They and you also said something
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about no crime because you've been like to the Lincoln
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Memorial multiple times and every time you've been there previously,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: protesters literally everywhere. Yeah, one guy would a sign this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: time and you said, what did it say?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It said Jesus loves you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: That's it. That was it? No protesters clean, safe, that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is I just wanted to draw a parallel. One moment
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: in time, you've got an open border with literally millions
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and millions of people unabated's flowing into our country, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we need to change the law. Whatever. You got a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: new administration and the borders immediately shut down. You've got
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a new administration and crime is no longer a factor
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and it's a clean Washington, DC. And I understand the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: motivations for cleaning up. It's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But in a moment's time, if you have the will,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you have a solution, don't We have an outstanding offer
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for Mike Dwine to get some resources from the state
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to high State Patrol, other resources to help deal with crime,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and has the mayor or the city manager taking up
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the one on that thirty you know, full month, all
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to five days a week or seven days a week,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: four weeks a month, offer it because of me of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: last time I heard anything was like two days.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing to realize here is
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: that every resource, every option is available to us to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be able to fix the issues on our city, whether
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it be with the cleanliness, whether it be with the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: public safety, whatever it might be and you know, I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: visit DC, you know, regularly over the years. I visit
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: just because I love the city. We've done like church
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: evangelistic crusades in the city as well. I've been there
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: through multiple administrations I'm talking about, like Republican and Democrat.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I have never seen the city as clean as orderly
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: as is right now. It was an eighth grader's dream
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because all the eighth grade trips are there. Whenever I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: was there last time, and I just it felt like
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Disney World like to where like I was talking to
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: people that live in the city that vote, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: opposite of me every year, and they were saying, I'm
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: just worse so thankful that the city is clean and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that we just feel safe to walk around because a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: lot of them are avid runners or they're a part
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of intermural sports that happen on the mall there, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: they're just so happy that they can actually take advantage
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: of their city and enjoy it the way that it
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: was intended.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if for someone's saying, well, the federal government has
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: all kinds of dollars and DC gets the taxpayer dollars
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to do all this blah blah blah, blah blah. Well
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: here to answer that question. So Trump brings in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: National Guard, crime goes down or is eliminated. Virtually, take
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: governor to wine up and is offered to use absolutely
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: sources and then properly allocate your scarce budget resources to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: things that really matter. The old broken windows theory. You
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: fix the window, the neighborhood looks better and people want
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to go there. Do that for the city. Quit building
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: new solar farms and quit thinking about future proposals for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: brand new this and brand new that. Fix the roads,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: fix the infrastructure, polish things up, make those budget priorities,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and people will come.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Just seems like common sense and not bipartisan agreements.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Here amen, and that has no partisanships partisan about it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Every Body wants.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Something like what we say last year, clean streets, safe streets,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: prosperous streets. That's all we were fighting for. It wasn't
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to copy and paste national politics. It was just saying, Hey,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we're Cincinnatians, we want a better city for everybody involved.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: We'll be able to help fulfill that goal. Coming up next,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: we'll get ourselves a crime stopper, bad guy of the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: week and continue with Corey Bowman, and yes, we're going
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to talk about Green. Do my eyes deceive me or
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is that a neck tattoo?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It is?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: That's a next see that. I love it when criminals
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: make it easy to spot. I'm Officer Green. Thank you
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for what you do, and everybody at the Cincinni Police Department.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I wish each and every one of you a wonderful
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: week and be safe. His picture is on my blog
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: page fifty five Caresee dot com if you want to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: see what neck tattoo wanted individual looks like fifty five
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: garre Se dot com for that, Corey Bowman, What else
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is on your mind? Because after the top of their news,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: we're gonna dive onto this whole Irish rally think because
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that Channel nine broke is My mind is blown over
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that absolutely blown talk about priorities. If you look, I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: think the Channel nine summarized at all is a one
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: point two million dollars that they have paid to her
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and her contractors over some period of time, and her
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: kids work for as subcontractors, and each of them made
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: almost an identical amount of one hundred and thirty two
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: plus or minus thousand dollars for doing part time work
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and Channel nine said, you know, that's more than ninety
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: five percent of the city employees make. So yeah, it
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: seems to me you could probably accomplish a lot of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: what we're trying to get here in the city, which
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is proper allocation of resources.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Well, what you said right there is so critical because
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: during the mayoral campaign, you know, what I realized, especially
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in politics, is that we kind of have this like
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Gotham City batman mentality where we have our characters, right,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like you have the Riddler, the Two Face, and Penguin,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and so we try to find all these villains that
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: we can just focus on, right, and then we're just
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: going to go after them. And I kept telling people,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't care who's attached to it. I'm not going
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to attack the people. It's about the issues that are important,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and this is the direction if I'm mayor, this is
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: what I'm going to do. And in politics it's always
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: about finding the person to attack, the scapegoat or whatever,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and we see a lot of that happening. But the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: biggest issue is allocation of funds. We are at a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: deficit as a city, but we are spending money like
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we don't or like we're not at a deficit. But
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: then when it comes to key public safety issues or
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: when it comes to certain things that we need, well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: then hey we got to dial back or we got
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to be smart on this. But then when it comes
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to allocation of funds for other things, we spend it
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow. When it comes to contractors, when
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it comes to community initiatives, when it comes to a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: lot of things that maybe make better headlines for that
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: side of the party. These are things to where we've
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: just got to get back down to the basics of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a good balance budget that is putting money in the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: right things. We were talking about police earlier.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: A lot of.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Times people justify that, hey, we do spend a lot
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of money on public safety with the city. My question
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is where it's going exactly. We're spending a lot of
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: money on overtime pay right now, overtime time and a half.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of these officers get overworked, They get forced
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: to do the overtime that they don't need or want.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Right ye, why don't you actually emphasize the lateral hiring
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: every year, not just an election years, not just when
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you're under pressure, but focused on a strong police force,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and then you're not gonna have to pay the overtime
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: as much. Not a lot of people say, oh, well,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you know, people don't want to be cops in the city.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: People don't want to apply. If you have strong leadership
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: at the helm, people are gonna want to apply.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, I'm sorry, I'm going to go
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: back to Iris Roy. I need a one any individuals.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But she's illustrative of the problem. Why don't cops want
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to work in the city of Cincinnati. Well, mainly because
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the administration has an aversion to cops. They don't like them.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's our culture.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: She's part of the Black Lives Matter movement.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the culture of that has to change.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And you're starting to see like a couple posts here
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: or there from leadership saying hey, we support our cops
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and everything. But behind this it has to be even
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: more important, is that the cops have to feel like
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you've got their back and you have to enable them
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to do de escalation. And de escalation is approaching. It's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: low level crimes, it's approaching in making sure that people
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: know that, hey, if you're going to start something, you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: not gonna want to do it in this area because
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: they will hold you accountable for it. But that's not
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: what's happening, right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: If not what's happening, you know. Anyway, we'll continue to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: talk of that in this Cord Bowman, I'm gonna make
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: them stay here in the studio so we can address
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: some of the details of this wonderful reporting from Paula
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Christian over at WCPO. Props to her. Don't go away
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of your station ATO six here if you abou KRCD
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Friday. Bottom of the hour, we're gonna
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: hear from HIGHO Press Networks, Jack Windsor about the new
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: age replacement for David or for Yost here in the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: state of Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson making public college
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and tech schools quote unquote free, and then finally debate
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: over data centers. That's Jack Windsor at A thirty, the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Ohio Press Networm, and the meantime, former Marril candidate Corey Bowman,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: still a business owner and well resident of the city
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, going through some of the issues here which
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: he regularly is involved with. We talked about the library,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the fistfights breaking out, talked to some of the prioritization,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and we think that the city managers and folks responsible
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: for well the scarce taxpayer dollars probably are not putting
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: him in the right place, and allows me to pivot
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: back to something I brought up at six o'clock if
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you want to hear me ramble about the recent reporting
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: from the I team. Thank you to WCPO Channel nine
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and Paula Christian for following this story, which they've been
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: following now for since last fall. That story would be
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the contract with Irish ROLLI which was signed I guess
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what two days after the election six hundred and sixty
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: four three hundred dollars. Corey and city Manager Cheryl Long
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: is the only person that she reports to. That's it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And Steve Gooden has quoted in our Legal Expert Steve
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Gooden and we had loved Todd Zinzer here in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: fifty five KRCY Morning Shore, our own inspector general for
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, just a role he is self
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: appoint both of them quoted in the iteam's reports on this. Obviously,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: eyebrows have been raised. She hired both of her sons.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Remember she's a subcontractor, so they considered her not an employee.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: She's not obligated to follow the other the city employees
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: nepotism policies. So when they signed this big contract, apparently
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty two, the total contracts, of the total
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of all the money in the contracts is one point
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: two million dollars. Her son, Reshaan shows it's a part
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: time job working with young people on Government Square forty
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: four hundred bucks a month, grand total of one hundred
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and thirty two thousand dollars. Same thing for her other son,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: who was hired to work and perform the obligations and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: tasks that she was charged with doing, which is dealing
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: with the issues on Government Square. We talked about earlier,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the fist fights breaking out among young people. I guess
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: maybe they're going to move her over to the library now, Corey,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But it's not really quite clear he's cracking up. It's
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: not really quite clear what they're doing. And I'm not
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: gonna fault the reporter on that her son Ray Shawn
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: subcontract for community care. I'm doing the air quotes on
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: my fingers here because this is what I don't know
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: what that is. And some are in the city monitoring work.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. How do you account for that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: What exactly is that? And it doesn't it seem rather
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: suspicious that her sons are getting all of this money
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and that also her husband is getting paid by the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati coffers under this contract because he is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a printing company. He printed out T shirts for the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: work on Government Square. That are two sons. We're doing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: nothing to see here, Corey. Now, I'm not gonna faul
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: her necessarily. As you pointed out on the break, you
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: can't blame her for taking advantage of the system. The
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: system is the problem, am I Right?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And I think what I think what strikes well, I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: would like to think strikes a nerve with people, right,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: is that if we were seeing results, so let's say,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: on Government Government Square, right, if we were going downtown
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and seeing the crime decreasing, If we were seeing the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: police being able to do their job in a more
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: efficient way to be able to not have their hands
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: tied by the city administration or the contractors that be,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: if we were able to see results, I think the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: taxpayers would for the city that they love, would gladly
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: say yeah, money well spent.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Well, No, I'm going to disagree with you on that one.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Because you're talking about seeing results while also saying, if
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the police were allowed to do their job, you would
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: give credit to the police perhaps for that. Do you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: need the team here, the work on Government Square, this
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: special team that they formed under this subcontract with averis early,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Would you need that at all if the police were
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: allowed to do their job.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That's what we fought all last year because we there,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: like let's say the ACT Facency program, right, I believe
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it was five point two or three point two. I
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: forget which one million dollars that was put into the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: for sincy program that was supposed to come back crime
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: last year, And whenever the brawl happened, whenever any incident
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: happened downtown, they wouldn't actually like talk about the police enforcement.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't talk about actual policies that affected crime through
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the law enforcement. They would show PowerPoint slides of ACT
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: for Sensey about Hey, we're going to remove light, We're
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: going to help community initiatives. It's like they create all
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: these ways to funnel money into programs that have nothing
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to do with combating crime.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Programs that are run by one of the multitude of NGOs.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And contractors, all sorts of stuff because I don't know
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: what it is about the city, but they see it
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: as to fight crime. We've got to go off of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: all these tangents because there's big, bigger issues at play here.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But like what we talked about earlier right there, if
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you did something wrong in our household, you would face consequences,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: usually by a spanking or something.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Right, or a combination of a whole multitude of podact
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you're going to get.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And that would deter you from future activity. You wouldn't
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: work with a firm belt, you would not be a
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: repeat offender in your house when it came to certain things.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right, because I learned right. I didn't want
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to get a spanking, so you get it a couple
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of times, like okay, I'm not doing that anymore. Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But the problem is is that every crime, every single
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: story that you see, there is one common denominator with
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that is that it's repeat offenders. It's people that, to
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, based on previous crimes, would never
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: be on the street in a proper criminal justice program.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this right now.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of people look at the community, right, they
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: look at the inner city. We pastor in the inner city.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: When you talk to the single moms at all the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: low income housing, when you talk to the family members
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and the old and young people that are in our community,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: there's a very small amount of individuals that cause all
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the chaos, and it paints this picture on the entire community.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Nobody wont it's proper police force and judicial system more
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: than the community in the downtown area. But from city Hall,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they're deterring any of this from happening because, hey, we've
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: got a funnel money into all these government programs. We've
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: got to do community initiatives, we've got to do all
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: this feel good stuff that you Essentially we'll get us headlines.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: We'll make sure that we're doing things peacefully and not like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you know, no conflict or anything like that. But the
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: reality of is that we just got to clean up shop.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: We've got to be able to clean our streets and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: make sure that people are held accountable for their actions
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: all the way from the arrest all the way to
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the conviction in the courthouse.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: You just confirm something that I just sort of felt
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts. But I've heard from other
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: residents of the city, and you're one of them. You
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: interact with people in the city all the time, people
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds. I understand all that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You're confirming what I've always believed that the vast majority
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of people want a good police presence. The vast majority
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of people want them patrolling the area, and they want
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: juveniles or or whoever have the commits crind held accountable
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, so this narrative that everyone thinks the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: police department is just bad, and then we need to reimagine.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Listen, we had I give this example all the time.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: We have a back to school bash every year and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: we'll be having it this August. We just had I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: believe three hundred backpacks that were offered to be paid
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: for for us for our next back to school bash
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in August this year. Cool, but we filled a state
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the high school stadium with probably about eight hundred people
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in the area. Right, gave out three hundred backpacks to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: kids in the community. But we had a process at
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the door to where we had a registration. We made
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: sure that they were checked in. Right, we vetted everybody
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: coming through and it was just a deterrent.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I had the police swap vehicle there just for fun, right,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: because I mean growing up, it's like you got the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Dare program, you got all these things where it's fun.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You had the fire department smokehouse there. And you know
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: what the number one comment was from the mothers come
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: to me and saying, thank you so much for having
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: this event and deterring any criminals from coming in here
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: through the registration. Thank you for having the police officers here.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: But also all the kids were taking pictures in the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: swap vehicle. They were taking pictures with all the law
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: enforcement there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: They loved it. So the community.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Every time you ask the community about they said, send
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the cops here. We want protection, we want safe streets.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the reasons for the resource
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: officers in schools. Part of it is it's for crime
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: prevention and deterrence, but the other is to connect young
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: people with a positive attitude toward police. You just confirm
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that that's what happens. Bring the police, Bring the SWAT
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: van so they can look at it. They're gonna have
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a great interaction and they're gonna be they're thinking that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the police maybe are cool.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, So I'm not trying to deter the conversation,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: start with Iris Rollies contract the conversation to start with that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I try to get people to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: focus on is the money that is going toward all
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: these programs and is not being spent properly by city
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: hall because you have friends that are in the pockets
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: of the council, members of mayor or whatever that might be. Instead,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: our taxpayer funds need to be properly delegated towards the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: right things like law enforcement.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: We'll spend a few more minutes of Corey Bumman the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: next segment before we get to Jack Windsor from the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: hog Press Network at Think fifteen. Right now fifty five
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the Krcity Talk station, fifty five KRC it happens or
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a c the talk station. Ah, yeah, not that I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: needed it. There's confirmation. It's Friday. I love this moment
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in Tom an Argon show. Geez it can be, as
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I always like to point out, depending on where you're
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: looking at it. Now, we didn't talk about wonderful world
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati thus far, Corey Bowman here over the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: given the topics and the subject matter we've had to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: struggle with, and I just want to give a shout
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: out again to Todd zenz Or Citizen Watchdogs his podcast.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: He was a former Inspector General of the United States.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: He's just doing a wonderful job ferreting out all the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: problems I call him Shenanigans here and doing the research,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: analyzing and getting the figures, asking for the documents, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: presenting it to the public, a public that either will
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: or won't pay attention. I pay attention, but I know
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: how tireless he is in his retirement, and that he
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: took on this role voluntarily, and he's been doing such
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a great job. He would have made a great city
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: manager under the Corey Bowman mayor Corey Bowman administration. We
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: can dream, right, we can dream, you know what could
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: have been and what still might be right because you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: we talked about Josh Garth earlier. He's got positive attitude.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: He wants to reinvigorate the Republican Party in Hamilton County.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: He hasn't given up. I mean, and I don't want
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to give up on the City of Cincinnati. I mean,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I love what we've got, but it's if we had
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a better administration that really prioritize, like what we're talking
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: about here, then I think things could be turned around
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: rather quickly.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the biggest things is that
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you do have to hold people accountable, and the public
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: voice does that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And here we go on how people can help out right,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you have.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: To, you can't just it's not just about complaining, it's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: about getting involved.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Hamilton County is made up of a lot of different cities,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: townships and other areas, right. So when I I was
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: talking with Josh Girth, new chairman of Hamilton County GOP,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: he's focusing a lot on judicial races and the suburbs
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and a lot of areas right there. And I kept
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: reinforcing it, don't give up on the city. But you've
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: got to see it as Okay, you might not be
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: able to flip one election Republican in one year, right,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: but we can continue to make impact, We continue to move.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: The dial forward.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But it's got to take people that actually realize that
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: are in it for the long haul. What I would
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: tell people as far as locally, if you want to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: get involved there, contact the Hamilton County GOP. If you
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: find the number online for the Hamilton County GOP, you're
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: gonna get on the phone a lovely secretary named Debbie,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and she's got a sweet voice on the other end
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of it. She's been in that office since nineteen eighty eight,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and she can direct you to anywhere. If you want
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to get involved in local politics or whether it be
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: be a candidate or whether it be volunteer efforts, go
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: to a couple events there. But then also even on
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: social media, it's not just about complaining, but make your
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: voice heard as far as what you're unhappy with in
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the city, what you would like to see, as far
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: as financial accountability. Todd Zenzer is a perfect example. The
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: guy's retired. He should be playing golf right now and
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a Tommy Bahama shirt and not worrying about any of this.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But he is taking his time to hold people accountable
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that he's not really required to do so, and he's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: making impact because of it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So well. It is signal ninety nine.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Signal ninety nine.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: A rapier wit, yes, and a spicy tongue yes. But
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: look what she brings to the table. And look how
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: her page at Facebook's blown up. She's become a reliable
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: source for the local media. Yeah, I mean one person
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: now I know. She's the figurehead for a collective of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: people behind the scenes in the fire department, in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: police department, all over the place, who have the whistleblower information,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: provided the goods, give her the documents, show her that
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: what they're saying and complaining about is actually true. She's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: delivering by putting in a package that people find wildly useful.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, one person with an idea.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Well, she's been a great friend.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: But what I tell people is that what she represents
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: is just difference of.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Thought and opinion.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And when you go to any city council session, whether
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: be in Cincinnati or even I was just recently in
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Norwood as well, and you've got a lot of new
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: faces there at the Norwali City Council. But this is
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: one thing I realized about a lot of these one
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: party kind of system councils is that they will go
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: through the agenda presenting the resolution for this all in
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: favor say yes, yes yes, or not in favor, say no,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and they go around yes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: next yes yes yes yes yes. There's no debate, there's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: no difference of opinion. And that is what breeds success,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: is trying your ideas against opposition. Yes, and that's actually
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: what everybody needs to realize. Don't let your voice not
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: be heard. Let it be louder. Don't just move out
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of the city and say I'm done with this, I'm
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: gonna move to Timbuckto or whatever. Just make your voice
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: heard even more and let people know that, Hey, you
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: need to be accountable. You need to be able to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: have financial stability with our city budget. Don't be spending
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: our tax dollars on things that don't matter, are not
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: making impact. We've got to see real results otherwise we're
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: going to vote in different people the next time.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Well, and your philosophy along those lines is exactly what
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Christopher Smithman's point was. You know, it was why we
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: really liked having Liz Keening on council. You know, one
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: lone voice in the wilderness compared to the rest of them,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: all the other eight. But at least she was able
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to make the points that you're talking about, forcing people
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: who say, and whether they listen to or not, most
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of the vast majority of the time they didn't. But
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: at least that voice was there for us to hear.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about accountability. It's all always about debate,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: you know, And that's something that we're slowly just losing
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: is the ability to just agree to disagree, the ability
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to actually talk with people about differences of opinion and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: having debate, because, like I said, that is what breeds
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: success is making sure that your ideas are tried and proven,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: not just putting out dictatorships.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Well as I stare at the election, Mac job Strecker
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: put up right after the election, the exception of California
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and Riverside and Salor Park, it's all solid.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: The one thing I can read, one thing I can
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: say is that we turn California red and.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: And on laughter. Corey Bowman, You're always welcome here, my brother.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a fantastic weekend. Best of health
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and love your better half in your family.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Brian, and have a great weekend
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to all your listeners.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: We'll talk