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- 0:08Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the 21st of
- 0:13July 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
- 0:17I'm your host Brian Garish and I'm delighted to be joined today
- 0:21by Diane Rasmussen. Mccaddy and Ben Rubin, both
- 0:25coming in on live link. So welcome to you both to the
- 0:29news. I'd also like to say we'd hoped
- 0:32to give you a sunny Plymouth today.
- 0:34It certainly started off that way, but as you can tell from
- 0:37the view behind me, we're into a little bit of rain and grey sky.
- 0:42But not to worry now, today's news.
- 0:45We're going to really be having a good look at what's happening
- 0:48in UK. Many people feeling very uneasy
- 0:51at the moment. They know something's wrong in
- 0:54the country, they know that there's a sense of fall falling
- 0:58apart, of breaking down sometimes.
- 1:01This is echoed back by the press.
- 1:03We're going to try and take people through what we see
- 1:06happening and we're going to explain some of the things going
- 1:10on. So I'm going to be taking a look
- 1:12at the NHS very quickly, just a moment.
- 1:16Ben is going to be having a look at Shattered Britain, a report
- 1:20talking about the state of the country.
- 1:23Very interesting. Diane is going to be delving
- 1:26into people who are active. And in Durham recently
- 1:29councillors voted out climate change and they voted in
- 1:33improved care for children. And we're also going to be
- 1:37having a look at claims for Christianity back in Britain.
- 1:41That's by our old political friend Danny Kruger.
- 1:45And last but not least, I'm going to be having a look at the
- 1:49French press giant AFP and a curious e-mail we received a
- 1:56little while ago. But let's start off with a trip
- 1:59to A&E at Derriford Hospital, Plymouth.
- 2:02This is a little video I shot at the end of last week.
- 2:05Let's have a look. So this is my experience of a
- 2:10visit to Accident and emergency at Derriford Hospital.
- 2:14And you come out the car park, you're faced with building works
- 2:18everywhere. Now this is part of a expansion
- 2:21of Gersford Hospital that the pond are making in this report
- 2:25is that this is what people were faced with.
- 2:28If you try and come to accident and emergency.
- 2:31This is the main entrance to the hospital dominated by Marks and
- 2:36Spencer. We've got adverts that are
- 2:40abseiling but what we haven't got is any directions to A&E,
- 2:43which is at the down this road here with traffic controls.
- 2:48I was actually forced to stop in the road to speak to the Workman
- 2:52to ask them how I could drop the person I was with off A&E.
- 2:57They were kind enough to let me come down this road.
- 3:00And while I'm looking at the chaos to my left, great areas of
- 3:06open parking space with nobody there apart from the police.
- 3:10Meanwhile for the public, utter chaos in the crowned car parks
- 3:15and everywhere noise and bustle and building works.
- 3:20And this is the final little bit that takes you across the road
- 3:25towards A&E. So this is where the ambulances
- 3:28have to come in and you can see some of them parked in front of
- 3:31the A&E building. And we've got a mixture of
- 3:34everything from police to hospital staff to the workers.
- 3:39So the harsh reality is utter chaos when you try and bring
- 3:43somebody to accident an emergency.
- 3:47Here's the board inside. 11 hour, 52 minutes for the longest
- 3:51wait. But to be fair triage moved very
- 3:55quickly while we were there, but altogether we were waiting from
- 4:038:45 in the morning till 5:20 and the television was pure
- 4:07propaganda from the BBC on the failure of Britain.
- 4:11Dereford Hospital, Plymouth. Well, there you are.
- 4:16Now to qualify that video, this is the start of a 200,000,000 LB
- 4:21improvement scheme to Dereford Hospital.
- 4:23So some of you might say, well of course there's going to be
- 4:26disruption. Yes, that's true.
- 4:29But my point is that trying to get to A and EA very serious
- 4:32place for many people to get to was virtually impossible.
- 4:37I needed help from the workers who were on site and very good
- 4:40they were too. And then once we were in A and
- 4:44E, we were subjected to noise, open doors, dust, ceiling tiles
- 4:49being taken down. This was not a clean medical
- 4:54environment. This was utter chaos.
- 4:56And of course, is the 200,000,000 LB improvement going
- 5:00to be enough? Well who knows because of course
- 5:03Plymouth is determined to become one of the world's super cities
- 5:08and it's already looking to increase the population of
- 5:11Plymouth dramatically. First of all 300,000 but it's
- 5:15even been suggested to me that by 2070 the population is going
- 5:20to be 500,000. So will the NHS facilities being
- 5:25built even cope with these crazy increases in population in UK?
- 5:31My opinion is not. Ben, let's bring you into
- 5:35today's news because you're on the case with this report about
- 5:39a shattered Britain. Very interesting document.
- 5:43But I'm going to encourage our audience today to think, is the
- 5:48decline of Britain just accidental or is this country
- 5:52under attack by its own government?
- 5:55And you will know if you're a regular UK Column viewer that
- 5:58it's the opinion of UK Column. We are under attack by our own
- 6:02government. Ben, welcome.
- 6:06Thanks, Brian. Hello, everybody.
- 6:08I've got to say, Brian, that looked like one of the most
- 6:11stressful things I've ever seen going to the hospital.
- 6:15A&E should be somewhere where people can seek solace and care.
- 6:20And I mean just the pneumatic drills on the way in, I mean,
- 6:23that was absolutely appalling. So anyway, an example of of the
- 6:28shattered Britain that we are living in, right?
- 6:30So I'm going to talk a little bit about this recent report
- 6:33came out last week or the week before, Shattered Britain,
- 6:37making sense of what Britain's want in a country that feels
- 6:41broken. It's the subtitle.
- 6:43I'd actually think it doesn't feel broken.
- 6:45It is broken actually, and it's been broken largely by the
- 6:48people circulating around this report.
- 6:51It's been brought to us by More in Common, which is a charitable
- 6:56organization funded by Open Societies, Robert Bosch,
- 6:59European Climate Foundation, the usual suspects.
- 7:03They say that their mission is to understand the forces driving
- 7:06us apart, find common ground and bring people together to tackle
- 7:11shared challenges. But I'm not really getting that
- 7:14from this report, to be honest with you, and not just because
- 7:17of the title. A little bit more about the
- 7:19organization. It was founded by Brendan Cox,
- 7:24who is, or was should I say, married to Jo Cox, the Labour MP
- 7:29who was murdered tragically in 2016 during the Brexit campaign.
- 7:33Her sister Kim Ledbetter is behind the assisted dying bill.
- 7:39Been very high profile over the past year since the election.
- 7:44And Brendan Cox was interestingly remarried in 2023
- 7:48in the ceremony which was officiated over by Justin Welby.
- 7:52So there's a really sort of interesting mix of people around
- 7:55Brendan Cox, this organization and this report.
- 8:00To be honest with you, you know, when I, when I looked at that, I
- 8:02found that all rather strange. The report, as I said, it kind
- 8:07of breaks the come the country up into tiny little pieces.
- 8:11They they talk about the seven segments from top to bottom
- 8:16going essentially politically left to politically right.
- 8:19So we've got the progressive activists, incrementalist left,
- 8:22the establishment, established liberals, sceptical scrollers,
- 8:26rooted patriots, traditional conservatives, dissenting
- 8:30disruptors, you get the picture. I just going to read the report
- 8:34will provide a link to it. You can get a sense of who
- 8:36they're talking about. I think the heartening thing for
- 8:39me is that basically 67% of the country are not in this top
- 8:44group. That's Labour, heartland, the
- 8:46progressive liberal world. Only 33% of the population fit
- 8:50into those categories, which means that the rest of us don't,
- 8:53quite frankly. And a lot of this is about
- 8:56politics, right? Let's be completely honest,
- 8:58we've looked at the provenance of the report, where it's come
- 9:02from, but also a lot of what it's talked about in the report.
- 9:05Yeah, so it says that Britain's political map is fundamentally
- 9:10changing as frustration with the status quo is leading to
- 9:13traditional two party loyalties collapsing into a volatile multi
- 9:19party system. Yeah, and we can see this
- 9:22playing out right now with the emergence of new political
- 9:25parties seemingly every week to be honest with you.
- 9:28Whether that's on the left with Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana
- 9:32launching their, I believe still as yet unnamed radical left wing
- 9:36party, or on the right with the ever expanding Habib Low forage.
- 9:42Whoever else is going to step into the arena next access
- 9:47right? And this feels like deliberate
- 9:49breakdown. They're warning that we're
- 9:51heading into volatility and chaos.
- 9:53But actually it strikes me that this report is about carving up
- 9:57political fiefdom so that these kind of micro parties can take
- 10:01their own piece of the political pie and preside over it.
- 10:06The report was launched last week.
- 10:09Formally. Ed Miliband was there helpfully
- 10:12pointing out the fire exits in case the venue spontaneously
- 10:16combusted due to climate change. He also had liberal media Titans
- 10:23like Emily Maitlis there, plus some bloke off the telly who I
- 10:26may be recognised centre left, and also Kenny Badenoch who is
- 10:31running what remains of the Tories.
- 10:33Which kind of is one of the reasons why I feel like this is
- 10:37a political action essentially. You know, these people like the
- 10:42chaos and the breakdown. They feed off it both
- 10:45financially and politically. And they're creating their own
- 10:48little fiefdoms within the segments defined in the rapport.
- 10:52And despite the fact the organization behind it is called
- 10:55more in common, there isn't really much to unite us.
- 10:58Yeah, although we are united by our distrust of politicians
- 11:04quite entertainingly given who was at the launch event.
- 11:07So 75% negative perspective on politicians across the whole
- 11:11population, but also rather encouragingly, 42% positive on
- 11:16our neighbors. So we distrust politicians, we
- 11:18like our neighbors. Maybe that's why the politicians
- 11:20are so obsessed with getting with getting into neighborhoods
- 11:23and kind of trying to attach themselves to local
- 11:26neighborhoods at the moment. Interestingly, we're also, we
- 11:29also have a universal dislike for a news journalist and big
- 11:32businesses. And and also for some reason, if
- 11:34we get that back on screen quickly, we can see people trust
- 11:37judges. I think that's probably because
- 11:39most people don't come into contact with the judiciary very
- 11:41often and the scientists have somehow remained unscathed
- 11:45despite all what's happened over the past five years.
- 11:48So that's rather surprising to me.
- 11:51The the category that I'm quite particularly interested in is
- 11:54the one in the middle. You can see the established
- 11:56liberals on the bottom level there.
- 11:58They're very trusting of everyone.
- 12:01I think that's because they're basically insulated from
- 12:03everything that's happening in the country.
- 12:05These are the managerial elites, we're running the institutions,
- 12:09right? And we can see that because in
- 12:11the next slide asking about the desire for radical institutional
- 12:16change, only 2% of them actually wanted to, to quote from the
- 12:19report, burn down the institutions.
- 12:21So those are the people who are running the country.
- 12:23They're comfortable, but but actually no one else is.
- 12:26And this is, there's quite a lot of radical sentiment in here.
- 12:30Also a lot of some grey areas, huge grey areas around attitudes
- 12:34towards things like climate change, for example.
- 12:36Again, I'm sure Ed Miliband was rather upset about this, but you
- 12:40can see here across the whole country, essentially you've got
- 12:42nearly 70% of the country sort of neither this way or the
- 12:48other. Particularly they don't have a
- 12:49firm opinion on whether we're doing the right thing or the
- 12:51wrong thing on climate change. I think that's a debate that is
- 12:54still not in firmly 1 and I'm very happy about that because
- 12:58institutionally we're certainly going in the wrong direction.
- 13:03Interesting insight into attitudes around immigration.
- 13:06Actually got 46% think immigration should be
- 13:10significantly reduced, 16% think it should be reduced slightly,
- 13:14and actually those numbers are probably 20 to 30% higher.
- 13:17Given how the case calculations have been done in the report.
- 13:20Is quite a lot of manipulation and bias built into the
- 13:23methodology through waiting, but also the way that questions are
- 13:27being phrased. Actually, we can see here on
- 13:30attitudes towards growth versus fairness.
- 13:33Questions are either we should close the gap between rich and
- 13:36poor, even if it means the country doesn't get richer
- 13:39overall. Or on the other end of the
- 13:41spectrum, we should aim for everyone to be better off, even
- 13:43if it means the rich get more of the growth than the poor.
- 13:47But there's never any question in here saying, you know, should
- 13:51we could, we could close the gap between rich and poor while at
- 13:53the same time increasing the wealth of the nation.
- 13:56All right. I think she's actually designed
- 13:58to demonstrate and reinforce polarization to fit us into
- 14:01these entrenched and ultimately intractable political positions.
- 14:06However, one other thing that we are united on is our distaste
- 14:09for the current Labour government.
- 14:11And we can see here that even amongst Labour supporters,
- 14:15people who voted for Labour last year, 40, a full 40% of them
- 14:20would vote for someone else today, which I personally find
- 14:23quite encouraging. Ben, thank you very much for
- 14:28that excellent overview. And let's just stress for the
- 14:31audience, many people picking up on this in the chat box.
- 14:34We are being attacked, the country is being ripped apart
- 14:39and this is another indication of of non government
- 14:43organisations measuring the effect.
- 14:46But in measuring the effect, they are of course helping us to
- 14:50see what's actually happening and also to judge who we can go
- 14:54to in our own communities in order to get more support.
- 14:58Now perhaps that's a great point to bring Diane into today's news
- 15:03because Diane, you've been out and about looking at what's been
- 15:06happening in County Durham where local councillors are taking the
- 15:11initiative and fighting the system themselves.
- 15:15What have you got for us? Yes, thanks Brian.
- 15:19Hello Ben. It's great to be here today.
- 15:21I, I'm happy to report that I have good news today and I'm
- 15:24saying that because even though as the country continues to
- 15:27crumble, we have to take action, otherwise it will continue to do
- 15:31so. And I'm here with the message
- 15:32today of some examples that we can do as we act locally.
- 15:35I'd like to 1st review last week's report very briefly that
- 15:38I gave on Durham County Council that they were having a vote
- 15:42last week to review the net zero spending and policies that are
- 15:45in alignment of course with the Paris Agreement and UK wide
- 15:49policies. And as Karen Allison, who is one
- 15:52of the newly elected Reform Council members, said that
- 15:55Reform were in fact elected with the mandate to review net zero
- 15:59and to identify efficiencies and savings for the people of County
- 16:02Durham. It's important to note that
- 16:04Reform gained very substantial political control in last year's
- 16:08local elections in this county by winning 30 seats out of the
- 16:1298 elected. So that's quite a substantial
- 16:15amount. And so of course they had to act
- 16:17with what they said they would be doing, which of course would
- 16:19be looking at, among other things, net zero.
- 16:22Now in County Durham specifically, they had a climate
- 16:25emergency response plan that went over several years.
- 16:29It started what in 2019 when this was first voted on when
- 16:32there was a Lib Dem LED coalition?
- 16:35There have been 3 iterations of this plan and this is obviously
- 16:38going to be the last one now that it's ending.
- 16:40There was 1 from 2020 to 2022 and then 2022 to 24 and then
- 16:452024 to present. So this was the thing they were
- 16:48voting against. So I will get into that in a
- 16:51minute. But first of all, just to set
- 16:52the scene for the meeting, when I first arrived at the meeting
- 16:56at the County Hall last Wednesday morning, you can see
- 16:59that there were people out front.
- 17:01They were just standing there. It was obviously some kind of
- 17:04protest. I didn't quite know exactly what
- 17:06was going on until I was able to spend some time before the
- 17:08meeting looking at what they were doing.
- 17:11So we see various signs that I, I took some photograph,
- 17:14photographs of, for example, one saying there's no Planet D.
- 17:17So a lot of people protesting the, the, the descending of the
- 17:21climate emergency as well as other things that you would kind
- 17:24of expect to go along with that. So other people that sort of
- 17:27campaign on similar things. So I have a short clip here just
- 17:31so we can see a few seconds of the kind of speeches and what it
- 17:34looked like out in the audience. Ocean on climate change, which
- 17:39of course it's incredibly important, we've also.
- 17:43Come from stand up to racism. City of Durham along with along
- 17:52with members of City of Durham Labour Party because we are
- 17:59really, really. Concerned.
- 18:01About. The increase in racist incidents
- 18:06that are happening since this new party came into.
- 18:15Power here. So lots that had nothing to do
- 18:21with with what was being voted on.
- 18:23So while while that was going on, I talked to somebody on the
- 18:26side who was a part of a protest talking about houses and
- 18:29multiple occupation, which is a very serious concern for the
- 18:32county. And let's hear what he had to
- 18:34say. It's very similar.
- 18:37We live in Eastern, which is an area of high deprivation and
- 18:41disadvantage and always house green and it hasn't changed and
- 18:46all the HMOS do is contribute to great disadvantage and
- 18:51depredation and so that's partly protest as to why we're trying
- 18:55to stop. This proliferation and
- 18:57concentration in which general was a very poor deprived, that's
- 19:02one of the most powerful you can find out.
- 19:05Thanks. Thank you.
- 19:10Hopefully you can hear what he had to say in the background.
- 19:12You heard all the chanting going on in the background, which was
- 19:14the crowd saying what do we want climate justice?
- 19:17What do we want? What do we want climate
- 19:19emergency, you know, so back and forth.
- 19:21He was really hard to hear what he was saying in some cases, but
- 19:23that was what it felt like to be there.
- 19:25So when the council meeting opened at 10:00 in the morning,
- 19:29we first went through some questions that were asked and
- 19:32these were some interesting things to take a look at.
- 19:34So before we got into the vote, which of course was the thing
- 19:38that I was there for, there were some other things that happened
- 19:41that were kind of interesting. There was one question, there
- 19:43were several questions raised from the public.
- 19:46This one was from Miss Michelle Lane, a former labor counselor
- 19:50which was put onto the screen and her question was as reform.
- 19:53County counselors for CM Division have publicly declared
- 19:56they will not attend diversity, equality and inclusion or DEI
- 20:00training, including any such British anti man and anti woman
- 20:04nonsense. Can the leader of the council
- 20:07explain why certain Reform counselors are refusing to
- 20:10attend DEI training and how this refusal may impact their ability
- 20:14to make legally informed and compliant decisions during
- 20:17committee meetings, particularly when matters concerning DEI are
- 20:21discussed? So the the short, the short
- 20:23version of the answer came from Counselor Andrew Husband, who is
- 20:26the Durham County Council leader from Reform UK saying, quote,
- 20:29there is no requirement in law for counselors to complete EDI
- 20:33training. So it was interesting to hear
- 20:35that and just did to see how the vote works.
- 20:38So if we go on to the votes and first of all, there was a motion
- 20:41to extend the time for debate, which would sort of go against
- 20:44the usual council rules. And they voted overwhelmingly,
- 20:48as you'll see to they voted for not extending the time.
- 20:52And so then we went on from there to look at what the actual
- 20:55vote was and what the motion was.
- 20:58So the motion as presented by Darren Grimes, who's the Deputy
- 21:01Leader of Reform UK, was firstly to reset and the climate
- 21:04emergency declaration made on the 20th of February 2019.
- 21:08As we can see here, there was an amendment by Councillor Wilkes,
- 21:11who was the former Lib Dem who was previously in charge to
- 21:15remove that. And what he proposed was to keep
- 21:19the climate emergency declaration, but also to
- 21:21maintain the care emergency that was being declared in favor of
- 21:25children's social care provision.
- 21:27So we can go on to see what happened as with what the the
- 21:30voting results next. It was interesting that the
- 21:32amendment that was present from Councillor Wilkes was 64
- 21:37against, 24 in favor and what extension during Grimes motion,
- 21:41which as it was presented to rescind the climate emergency
- 21:44and in favor of care of children was 6247 against and seven
- 21:49abstentions. So of course they were very,
- 21:51very happy about this result. So I this is an exclusive to UK
- 21:55column because I have to say that what happened was after the
- 21:59vote I didn't see any other media outlets present.
- 22:01It was just me and my secret cameraman who could not be
- 22:04revealed for privacy reasons for on his behalf.
- 22:07But I have some 3 short clips here from three councillors.
- 22:11The first one here is Councillor Ian Catchford.
- 22:15It just sounds expensive because if you look at the plan for
- 22:17change, it's millions of pounds, right offshore winds four times
- 22:21more expensive than onshore, right, because it's very it's
- 22:24very expensive. That's what I'm saying.
- 22:26But it's also we've all we've already got existing main farms,
- 22:30we've got dog a bank existing right.
- 22:32What we don't do, yeah, is we don't site battery stories close
- 22:35to the chore where the where the power comes in story.
- 22:39Wind. Wind energy is intermittent,
- 22:41right. Right.
- 22:42So it's that intimate and solar power and it is very Peaky,
- 22:46especially in this country. Both of those technologies, they
- 22:49require an element of storage before they go into National
- 22:51Grid. Yeah.
- 22:52That's what people don't really sound.
- 22:53They just think, oh, yeah, we'll do loads of sort, but do loads
- 22:55when that doesn't work that way, you need to sort the energy out
- 22:58before it goes into National Grid.
- 23:01OK. Yeah, that makes sense.
- 23:03OK. Thank you.
- 23:04Thank you. Yeah, so as you can see, he gave
- 23:10me a lot to think about there. He had some very practical ideas
- 23:13for for deal with actual solutions for what what could be
- 23:16actual climate issues. Next I have a short interview
- 23:19clip from Councillor Kenny Hope thought up some interesting
- 23:23information about the opposition in the meeting.
- 23:25Do you have to say something about that?
- 23:27Yeah, so one of the opposition was he had a lot to say.
- 23:32He basically my eyes was a hypocrite.
- 23:36He drives in and out the coming hall pretty.
- 23:38Daily. With his work van and he is
- 23:42quite keen on claiming his expenses now he's coming in on a
- 23:46in a diesel guzzling van and then he's shouting about the
- 23:49climate. Well does make sense to me.
- 23:53Also the what else I stated on is the the production of lithium
- 24:00batteries and the silica and stuff for the solar panels now.
- 24:05It is widely recognised and reported on that this is being
- 24:11done using child and adult slave labour now.
- 24:14We abolished the slave labour trade within the 1800s.
- 24:18How can we now start supporting that?
- 24:20Because we want to go down the screen agenda.
- 24:22It's just nonsensical. Yeah, because they have to get
- 24:25the materials from somewhere, and that's what seems to be
- 24:27forgotten. Is that it because it's
- 24:29extracted from somewhere in Africa or whatever?
- 24:31You know, whatever the people go through to get it is really not
- 24:34good. Yeah, yeah. 100% we can't forget
- 24:37the root of where all the stuff coming from, the material that's
- 24:40coming from and how you know how people are trapped doing this.
- 24:45You know, child and adult slave neighbor is absolutely not
- 24:48acceptable and we should not be part of that whatsoever.
- 24:52If the stuff was proven, that it was took out the ground and all
- 24:56of that sort of stuff in a, in a way that doesn't use child and
- 25:00adult slave labour and that the CO2 emissions are, you know,
- 25:04going to be reduced long term, then fine.
- 25:08But it's not. I would say as a resident to
- 25:10County Durham, I don't want my council tax to go to support
- 25:13that kind of activity personally, neither do I.
- 25:19And so the the final interview that I have here is from
- 25:21Councillor Darren Grimes, who, as I said, raised the motion to
- 25:24himself. I shared the full video on
- 25:26Twitter last week or X and it's had over 18,000 views since I
- 25:30shared it on Thursday. But I have just a short clip
- 25:32here. Darren, I just want to say thank
- 25:35you for such an excellent performance today.
- 25:37Oh, thank you very much in the meeting.
- 25:39How did you feel it went? Well, apart from me losing my
- 25:41voice, it's starting to sound like Mrs. May when she gave that
- 25:44infamous speech. And.
- 25:46The letters started falling off the wall behind her.
- 25:48You know, apart from that, I thought it went very well.
- 25:51Yeah, I think that the the team was totally united and actually
- 25:54we've made clear to County Durham that we are going to
- 25:57prioritise them over virtue signal and fads, frankly.
- 26:02Yeah, I have to say it's just as a resident speaking personally
- 26:05of County Durham, I would like to see my my council tax money
- 26:07go to helping people who really need it.
- 26:09And you know, my feeling is that a lot of this climate finance
- 26:12actually goes to sort of these companies and gets through the
- 26:16City of London. And I've looked into this quite
- 26:18a bit and that's not personally. And I think that a lot of people
- 26:20would feel that way as well if they knew how that's where their
- 26:23money was going. Absolutely, Yeah.
- 26:24I think actually the the mandate that we had from the public was
- 26:29to actually scrutinize all of that expenditure and make sure
- 26:32that we're getting the best bang for our book, which is, you
- 26:35know, the council tax bill that's been put forward to
- 26:38everybody goes up and up and up, but the services don't get
- 26:41better, better, better. So actually you know, we need to
- 26:44re balance the scale so it actually delivers fairness for
- 26:49the public as well. Right.
- 26:51So do you think that you had pretty much unanimous support
- 26:53and agreement across Reform UK in that meeting or do you
- 26:56whether some oppositions to what what you what you moved or no?
- 26:59100% agreement. You know, actually I think the
- 27:02difference between US and the Tories is that we are a totally
- 27:04the United party united behind the movement and what the cause
- 27:08is. And that for me is a really
- 27:10beautiful thing. And I'm it's especially proud of
- 27:13the whole group today. Actually, I thought they did our
- 27:16party and our county, our great service today.
- 27:20Yeah, I think so too. And, you know, it was
- 27:21interesting as well to hear some of the supporting councillors
- 27:25who spoke on your behalf. And also I was very excited when
- 27:27the amendment was was turned down.
- 27:29That was a wonderful moment. How did you feel when that
- 27:31happened? Oh.
- 27:32Glorious to defeat the Lib Dems gets.
- 27:36Me out of. Bed on the morning, of course.
- 27:41So just to close this segment, I just want to mention the
- 27:43coverage by the BBC. So obviously I didn't see anyone
- 27:46for the BBC in attendance, but of course, they had to weigh in.
- 27:49And mostly they they quoted from the Mark Wilkes who had
- 27:52originally started the economy emergency agreement, saying that
- 27:56the social care issues had nothing whatsoever to do with
- 27:58climate change. And they focused a lot on the
- 28:00protesters, including one sign that was apparently held up by
- 28:04young one boy that read if you care, allow me to have a future.
- 28:07So they're using the children to push the climate change agenda
- 28:10according to the propaganda presented by the BBC, which I
- 28:13think is absolutely disgusting, Brian.
- 28:17I totally agree, Diane, but the first thing I want to say is
- 28:20what an excellent job those councillors did.
- 28:23It's very difficult for many of them because they're newly
- 28:26elected into a council position and this can be quite
- 28:29challenging for them. But they are learning very
- 28:32quickly and it doesn't matter what party they're from.
- 28:35In this case, reform doing well, but there are many other very
- 28:38small parties. There's also independence.
- 28:41These people need huge support because they are now at the
- 28:45front end challenging the system.
- 28:47Now I'm just going to take you to a quick video.
- 28:50This was actually a Labour Party election, part of their election
- 28:54manifesto. Let's just have a look about
- 28:57Kia's Starmer's team was saying a little while ago.
- 29:06This cost of living crisis comes on the back of decades of high
- 29:10inequality and low growth. Now the number of people in
- 29:12England waiting to start routine hospital treatment has risen to
- 29:16a new record high. Rishi Sunak gave a speech
- 29:19rolling back on the government's Net 0 pledges.
- 29:22The rising cost of mortgages is causing misery.
- 29:24Across the country, the record-breaking.
- 29:27Week for numbers crossing the Channel this year so far, we
- 29:34know growth is the answer. It's higher wages, stronger
- 29:39communities, more vibrant high streets, public services that
- 29:42lift you up, less poverty, more opportunity, warmer homes,
- 29:47healthier food, holidays, meals out, more cash in your pocket,
- 29:52an end to a segregating cost of living crisis.
- 29:55We will set up a proper national champion, Great British Energy.
- 29:59Some nation will become a clean energy superpower, why not
- 30:02Britain? An NHS where prevention comes
- 30:05first, where care is closer to home, where patients have more
- 30:09control. The biggest expansion of NHS
- 30:12training in its history. Whatever the obstacles to
- 30:15opportunity, wherever the barriers to hope, my Labour
- 30:18government will tear them down. We'll get 13,000 extra police on
- 30:23our streets. A mission driven government that
- 30:26will end sticking plaster. Politics will unlock the pride
- 30:30and purpose that is in every community.
- 30:33It will give this country its confidence, its hope, its future
- 30:37back. So Ben, I'm going to apologise
- 30:48for bringing that video clip in just before your segment, but I
- 30:52wanted to remind people of the absolute hypocrisy of Keir
- 30:56Starmer with what he promised to do for UK and what he's actually
- 31:00doing at the moment. Billions and billions of pounds
- 31:03going into the war in Ukraine, million dead Ukrainian soldiers,
- 31:09British arms and weapons and money going into Israel to
- 31:13prosecute the war in Gaza. We've got damage in Yemen
- 31:17wherever we go in the World War. And we've got Kier Stormer's
- 31:21government behind it. So the idea that this government
- 31:24is helping to build a better Britain is absolutely laughable.
- 31:29He is destroying Britain and we are now really starting to be
- 31:34able to focus on the techniques being used.
- 31:37Let's bring you in Ben and Sadiq Khan, because of course this man
- 31:42is, in my opinion, up to no good and on a world stage.
- 31:48He certainly is. I mean, Elise Starmer is talking
- 31:52about building back Britain. So we said building a better
- 31:55Britain. You know, even if he isn't, at
- 31:57least he's talking about it. Sadiq Khan is supposedly the
- 32:01Mayor of London, but let's have a little look at what he's been
- 32:03up to over the past couple of weeks.
- 32:06This is why London and Accra need each other.
- 32:13My Majesty, pleasure to meet you.
- 32:14How are you? Pleasure to meet you.
- 32:16You're welcome. It's impossible to come to Accra
- 32:18and not pay a courtesy call to your old Majesty.
- 32:21London and Accra have a lot in common.
- 32:23Our boundless creative energy, our passion for music, food and
- 32:27culture, and our both spirit of innovation and entrepreneurship.
- 32:30Our cities also have a heavy history.
- 32:33It's an uncomfortable truth that London played a key role in the
- 32:38organization and funding of the transatlantic slave trade for
- 32:44standing here. I feel optimistic that despite
- 32:48our difficult past, our two cities, our two nations, are
- 32:52ready to write a new chapter. And I'm excited at the prospect
- 32:57of what we can do together to build a brighter, more
- 33:01prosperous and fairer future for all.
- 33:04The establishment of Imperial Global Ghana, it is a landmark
- 33:09moment. For the first time, Auk
- 33:12University, a London University, has a permanent base in Africa
- 33:19that's dedicated to science and technology.
- 33:23And I don't think it'll be the last.
- 33:27The vote that your visit today will act as a springboard for
- 33:30developing mutual beneficial partnerships.
- 33:34Economic stability of both London and Agra look forward to
- 33:39a long lasting fruitful relationship.
- 33:47So Sadiq Khan is travelling around the world like some
- 33:52imperial viceroy going on a trade mission to Africa, talking
- 33:57about making amends for slavery while there are still 40 million
- 34:02estimated slaves Live Today, many of them in Africa, working
- 34:07on the clean energy systems that he's a big proponent of.
- 34:10You can see him here in one of the frames on the right hand
- 34:13side standing in front of the Gone Independence Arch, which is
- 34:17built in 1957 when they were freed from the empire.
- 34:22And yet he's there literally to promote the imperial agenda.
- 34:27You know, the clue is in the name.
- 34:28It's Imperial Global, it's an Imperial College, it's backed by
- 34:33the Gates Foundation amongst many others.
- 34:36But you know, it is still an imperial entity just because he
- 34:41is over different ethnicity, a supposed person of colour.
- 34:44The God I suppose has been let down, right?
- 34:47And what are they promoting? Genomics.
- 34:49So we can get out. Back on screen we can see the
- 34:51genomic medicine building. So this is genetic engineering,
- 34:56this is all the 4th industrial revolution.
- 35:03I can just click on, sorry, my click has disappeared.
- 35:07There we go. We can see they're promoting
- 35:09smart farms. So this is all the globalist 4th
- 35:14industrial revolution agenda and importantly funded by the City
- 35:20of London. So we can see on the right hand
- 35:22side there, he's talking about the economic stability of
- 35:25London. What he really means is the
- 35:28city, which isn't really London at all.
- 35:30And actually we can see here this is from the past few weeks
- 35:33as well, an event held at the Mansion House where he's
- 35:38speaking alongside the Lord Mayor of London, which I believe
- 35:42shows at least where some of his loyalties lie.
- 35:46This is another perfect example of what I call the unholy
- 35:49alliance between money and power, right, the city and these
- 35:53political supposed elites. He's also representing, of
- 35:58course, C40 Cities and I believe this is where his true
- 36:02allegiances lie. He's actually the Co president
- 36:04of C40 Cities. It's controlled by the Uber
- 36:10Zionist American billionaire Michael Bloomberg up in the top
- 36:14left hand side there, who's also joined on the board.
- 36:18Interesting. This is a recent development by
- 36:21a key Sadiq Khan, Lieutenant Meteco Ban, who I've spoken
- 36:26about many times previously, the sort of MI six US State
- 36:30Department Rothschild family creation who's also been in
- 36:35London recently. Glad handing the African
- 36:38diaspora here at the African Achievers Award a couple of
- 36:42weeks ago, which again I think is a perfect demonstration of
- 36:46the constituencies the Khan and the people around him are
- 36:50actually serving rather than the people of London.
- 36:57Think you've absolutely hit that one on the headband.
- 37:00The whining and dining, fine food, it's all there.
- 37:05This is imperial takeover on Africa, the target, as opposed
- 37:10to being people that we're trying to help.
- 37:13No help for people in trouble in London.
- 37:17He's jet setting around the world helping to create climate
- 37:21change, I would have thought. But the hypocrisy is
- 37:25breathtaking and we are going to continue to call these people
- 37:29and their policies out. Now.
- 37:31We'd like to say a huge thank you to everybody that's been
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- 38:02Now, as you will have noticed over recent weeks and months, UK
- 38:07contents increased. Very pleased to say tonight at
- 38:107:00 PM on germ warfare, we've got Mike Yeadon talking about or
- 38:15asking the question is science dead?
- 38:18And coming up on Thursday, I'm also very pleased to have the
- 38:22first of what should be a series of interviews with Jewish people
- 38:27who are now starting to question what's actually happening in the
- 38:30Middle East and what is actually taking place with the support of
- 38:35Zionist Israel. So on Thursday at 1:00, I have
- 38:39an interview with Lynn Lopez Salzado.
- 38:42And this is entitled From Zionist to Anti Zionist
- 38:46Memories, dreams and visions of peace.
- 38:49I think you'll find it a fascinating interview and we
- 38:52have more to come. I'd also like to remind people
- 38:55that Totnes this Friday at 7:00 Andrew Bridgen will be speaking
- 39:02and Patrick Henningson will be hosting.
- 39:05The UK column team will be there.
- 39:07Mike and myself will be there, and we look forward to seeing
- 39:11anybody who's prepared to come along and listen to what Andrew
- 39:14has to say. He is an exceptionally brave
- 39:17individual because the abuse he's absorbed from mainstream
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- 39:25And we know there are going to be some hostile elements in
- 39:29Totnes. Unfortunately, that won't stop
- 39:31the event going ahead. Please come along and see us
- 39:34there. And also I'd like to give a
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- 39:42Saturday 18th of October 2025. Beautiful location, absolutely
- 39:48wonderful hotel. We're looking to get the 400
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- 39:56event in 2026. Tickets for York will be on sale
- 40:00from the 28th of July, so watch out for those.
- 40:04And it will be your support at that, at this event in York that
- 40:08is going to make the difference for us doing what everybody or
- 40:12so many people has asked us. And that is, can we do a weekend
- 40:16event? Well, we're going to do our best
- 40:18in 2026. So come along to York and help
- 40:23us make that very special weekend next year happen.
- 40:28Now where does, where does that take us?
- 40:31And we're going to come on to the subject of physical
- 40:35materials in the digital age. And Diane, we bring you back
- 40:40again because you've been out and about, you're meeting people
- 40:46who are campaigning. Tell us what you've been doing
- 40:49and what people are themselves doing in order to fight back
- 40:53against this horrific system which has installed itself in
- 40:57the UK. Yes, Brian, I, I want to say
- 41:01that first of all, I think that what what they did to us in 2020
- 41:05and beyond really I think stopped the feeling of
- 41:09community, the feeling of what it, what it is like to be around
- 41:13other people, the feeling of working together.
- 41:14And I personally believe that the whole technocracy that was
- 41:17behind that was very deliberate. So this weekend, this past
- 41:20weekend, as has been announced on UK column for the past few
- 41:24weeks, I attended the Thetford Truth and Freedom Festival and I
- 41:28was asked to give a talk on the topic of the importance of
- 41:31physical materials in the digital age.
- 41:34So as you'll see here at my my first slide that shows this
- 41:38image of a wolf of monsters and middle school.
- 41:42So one of the reasons, one of the many reasons why it's so
- 41:45important to preserve physical materials is that they're
- 41:48changing things. And they're changing things that
- 41:50we might have known from our childhood, that people might
- 41:52have known from previous, you know, literature, previous
- 41:56things that are now being changed digitally.
- 41:59And when things are changed digitally or when they're
- 42:01removed, we don't know it quite as well as when things have been
- 42:04sitting on our shelves for years.
- 42:06So I gave a talk on this. So there's just a photo here of
- 42:09me with my UK column banner, which was donated by Jenny, who
- 42:13made one of our banners for us in Cheltenham and is now behind
- 42:16me here in my own studio along with one of the organizers,
- 42:20Mark, who's up there in the front.
- 42:23And so that was me sort of giving my talk at at the on the
- 42:28Friday. So there were several talks
- 42:29throughout the Friday and Saturday.
- 42:31Overall, I would say that the focus was on bringing people
- 42:34together and looking at all alternatives.
- 42:36They passed on business cards that said that the aim of the
- 42:38festival was to raise your frequency, frequency and
- 42:41vibration with great music, great information and some great
- 42:45company. And I think all of those were
- 42:46definitely achieved. So for example, some of the
- 42:49talks we're focusing on parallel systems as Ben talks about
- 42:52frequently. They were talks about the
- 42:55spiritual war that Brian talks about frequently and and what
- 42:58happens when we awaken to these these entities and the agenda.
- 43:02Bob from Thetford from Thetford Council Watch, who Brian has
- 43:06interviewed previously was in attendance and I spoke with him
- 43:09for a while. There's some legal advice on how
- 43:11to protect your assets using trusts and including the issues
- 43:14of around inheritance tax. The idea of direct democracy,
- 43:19which is the right to call for referendums on important local
- 43:21issues and other things. So basically bringing back real
- 43:24democracy to the people where it belongs.
- 43:26Originally Kim Isherwood was not there in person, but she did
- 43:30give a reported talk about the work that she continues to do,
- 43:34the excellent work with public protection whales.
- 43:36There was a veteran called Chris Thrall who was a YouTube who
- 43:40gave a talk about how he is planning to climb Mount Everest
- 43:43in 2026 and then and he is going to do this to support veterans
- 43:47dealing with complex PTSD. And he's asking for everyone for
- 43:51financial donations to help him do that.
- 43:53And there was a really good discussion around the English
- 43:56constitution at sorts of at the end of Saturday.
- 43:59I have some photos here to kind of give some idea of what was
- 44:03happening throughout the weekend.
- 44:05The first one here is some people from a group called the
- 44:08Community Assembly of the British Isles.
- 44:10You can look them up on their website and get more
- 44:12information. They were saying that they are
- 44:14working with individuals and local communities to help
- 44:17preserve and protect our core rights and values.
- 44:20There are also some other stalls available.
- 44:23There was 1 here from Louise's Radiant Art.
- 44:26She was selling some items that I may have spent some money at
- 44:30on her booth there, which is we can see that on the next slide.
- 44:34If we can Pink bring up a picture of her stall there.
- 44:37She there's her Louisa's stall. There was another one there
- 44:40called Solder Sphere Healing Oils and Tinctures, which offers
- 44:44natural approaches to dealing with health issues.
- 44:47There's the stall there for some things for sale.
- 44:50There was a natural healer we can see on the next slide called
- 44:52Steve and Carl, where he had a little place set up where you
- 44:57could deal with that and sort of get a spiritual healing from
- 45:01him. And we also had in attendance,
- 45:05we had someone who was, I say, I guess claiming to be Thomas
- 45:10Paine, born in Thetford. He played a role in the American
- 45:13and French Revolutions, if you don't know who he is, but he
- 45:15advocated for the revolutions and he was at Thetford Native.
- 45:19What was really interesting to see was the amazing Support for
- 45:22UK Column that was throughout the festival and I had a really
- 45:26great time with some of this talking to these people.
- 45:29Here's some signs that we originally provided to us.
- 45:32I believe this is at our Bristol events last year, so I've got an
- 45:36updated version from the person who made those saying UK Column
- 45:39is the antidote to mainstream propaganda.
- 45:42What else do we have here? We have a photo with me with one
- 45:45of our members with that very thing on his T-shirt.
- 45:49So we had some really great conversations and he told me
- 45:52some information about what he's doing, what with his MP.
- 45:55There's a picture of Jenny and she set up her own little stand
- 45:58with copies of the light paper and some UK column information,
- 46:02including, if you can see it at the bottom there, a screenshot
- 46:06of Charles and Brian together at the desk.
- 46:08It's a very large print out of the screenshot that she had
- 46:11available. What else do we have here?
- 46:14Some more photos. This was a lady who wanted me to
- 46:17show that she had her badges on her hat.
- 46:20So on one side we have what UK column views and the other side
- 46:23we have I love. So those are both of course
- 46:26badges that we have for sale in the shop.
- 46:28She wanted to make sure that I had photographed those.
- 46:31And so some other things we have here, some people made some
- 46:34stickers of all of us presenters saying safe and effective around
- 46:39each of our photos. So I have several sheets of
- 46:41these stickers for everyone of all of us presenters.
- 46:46It's it was good to see this this kind of effort putting put
- 46:49into and I think that we truly are safe and effective at UK
- 46:51column compared to other news outlets and compared to other
- 46:54things that they could be doing to us, Brian.
- 46:56So I'll have some more about this and extra.
- 46:59I have some more photos to share.
- 47:00But overall, I just want to say that it was a great weekend and
- 47:03a great chance for people to come together with like minds to
- 47:06solve the real problems that are happening on the ground and
- 47:09practical solutions for what we can do about them.
- 47:12Diane, thank you very much for being there and thank you for
- 47:15that report. And yes, it is great to see more
- 47:17and more people who are doing something.
- 47:20This is the start, isn't it? Standing up to be counting,
- 47:24doing your research, challenging the system and getting more
- 47:27people on board. So I, I think we've, we've got
- 47:30some really encouraging news in our UK column, news content
- 47:35today. And we know this is going to
- 47:38grow. And of course, the more people
- 47:40that give support to these sorts of initiatives, the faster
- 47:44they're going to grow. OK Ben, let's bring you back
- 47:49with us. Because is Christianity going to
- 47:52be a focal point for the push back against this pernicious
- 47:57system in UK? And should we trust Danny
- 48:00Krueger? The answer to the first question
- 48:04is yes. The answer to the second
- 48:06question is I'm not so sure. But let's have a little listen
- 48:09to what he said in Parliament at the end of last week.
- 48:16It is an honour to stand here in this empty chamber to speak
- 48:21about the original purpose of this space, which was a Chapel
- 48:24in the Church of England. The old Chamber of the House of
- 48:28Commons, on which this space is is modelled after the great fire
- 48:33of 1834, was Saint Stephen's Chapel, formerly a royal church
- 48:38given by the heirs of Henry the Eighth to Parliament to serve as
- 48:42its debating chamber. And Madam Deputy Speaker, your
- 48:45chair stands on the altar steps and the table with the dispatch
- 48:49boxes is where the lepton stood. And I mentioned this because the
- 48:54link between this place and the Church of England isn't merely
- 48:57ceremonial. The prayers we say here at the
- 49:00start of every day aren't just a nod to tradition.
- 49:03Our democracy is founded on Christian faith.
- 49:07And indeed this Parliament remains the law giving power of
- 49:10the Church of England. We in this place have the
- 49:13responsibility to approve or disapprove the doctrine and the
- 49:16rules of the Church. And that is as it should be.
- 49:20Because the Church of England is not some private club, just
- 49:23another eccentric denomination. The Church is a chaplain to the
- 49:27nation and through the parish system, in which every square
- 49:31inch of England has its local church and its local priest, we
- 49:35are all members. We all belong.
- 49:38Even if you never set foot in your church from one year to the
- 49:41next, even if you don't believe in its teachings, it is your
- 49:43church and you are its member. So Christian revival is on the
- 49:50agenda. I'm a fan.
- 49:53Is it going to come from Parliament?
- 49:54I'm not so sure. I don't think he should come
- 49:56from Parliament. Is it going to come from Danny
- 49:58Kruger? I don't know.
- 50:00I can't quite work it out. There was quite a flutter of
- 50:02excitement about this at the end of last week in various bits of
- 50:05the Internet, which I happen to for Grant.
- 50:07But if I look at Kruger, I'm not sure that I view this as being a
- 50:13honest effort. He is a Conservative Party
- 50:17insider. He's the current MP for Devices
- 50:20and now E Wiltshire. Since 2019, there's been a
- 50:23change to the constituency there.
- 50:25He's a former leader, writer at the Telegraph, Co, founder of
- 50:29Only Connect, which was a charity focused on people coming
- 50:32out of prison. And he's very much part of the
- 50:34establishment, right. He was a former speechwriter for
- 50:37David Cameron and Ian Duncan Smith back in the early
- 50:40naughties, which would explain why it was in the very, very
- 50:43good, very well polished and well delivered speech, right?
- 50:46But at the time he was famously quoted as saying Brian talks
- 50:50about this a lot. We plan to introduce a period of
- 50:52creative destruction into the public services.
- 50:56For me, this makes him one of David Camerons change agents.
- 51:00Yeah. And he's been working back in
- 51:02the Tory Party for Cameron and for Boris Johnson.
- 51:07And he sort of sits at the Nexus of the destruction of the
- 51:10country over the past 20 years. And it seems to me very
- 51:14convenient now for him to be stepping forward and saying, oh,
- 51:16goodness, we've got to sort this out.
- 51:18And it's not going to come from politics.
- 51:19It's going to come from the church.
- 51:21Also, if you go to his personal website, it says here that his
- 51:25politics are probably best described as communitarian,
- 51:29which is another huge red flag, right?
- 51:31The communitarian systems, the big society that David Cameron
- 51:35pushed forward based on ideas from Saul Alinsky, that is a
- 51:39radical left wing communitarian approach, right?
- 51:43This is sort of neo Marxism writ large.
- 51:45And this is written directly on his About Me page, What he
- 51:48believes. And importantly, there's no
- 51:50mention on Here's What I Believe page about Christianity.
- 51:54Yeah, I know. So back to the speech.
- 51:56It was a great speech. Go and watch it.
- 51:58It's only 10 minutes long. He talks about a wind blowing, a
- 52:01storm coming, that when it hits, we're going to find out if our
- 52:04house is built on rock or sand. He speaks of the importance of
- 52:08Christianity to the nation and its founding.
- 52:11Yeah, the fact that England, uniquely among the nations of
- 52:16the world, was founded, created consciously, he says, on the
- 52:19basis of the Bible and importantly on the story of the
- 52:22Hebrew people. And he does tie us very closely
- 52:25theologically to the Jewish people.
- 52:28I noticed that it's impossible not to in the current context,
- 52:32everything going on around us. He talked about a fight back
- 52:35against another religion, not Islam that he did reference, but
- 52:40actually this religion of woke. So he describes this combination
- 52:45of paganism and Christian heresies and the cult of
- 52:50modernism and an ideology of power that needs to be exercised
- 52:54from the public discourse. And he views Christianity as
- 52:58being the way of achieving that. But then on the flip side, and I
- 53:02found this quite difficult to understand.
- 53:04He talks about Christian values as being freedom and tolerance.
- 53:10It's word tolerance. We're actually I don't believe
- 53:12is a Christian value and I think it's probably fair to say is one
- 53:17of the things is brought us into this mess in the 1st place.
- 53:20Too much tolerance. And I would remind people of
- 53:23Matthew 1034 think not that I come to send peace on earth.
- 53:28I came not to send peace but a sword.
- 53:32Much more on this to come. Ben, thank you very much.
- 53:37Yeah, lots of questions about that and it's stirred up quite a
- 53:40lot of discussion in the chat box today.
- 53:42So we will definitely focus in on Mr. Kruger more in the
- 53:46future. Let's end with a little bit of a
- 53:49story because a little while ago I was approached by a journalist
- 53:54from the very big French media organization Associated French
- 54:01Press. And the lady was called Anna
- 54:04Malpass and she sent me a an e-mail.
- 54:07Let's have a look. Just pop this up on the screen.
- 54:10Here we are. So dear Brian, I'm a journalist
- 54:13at AFP news agency working in London.
- 54:16I'm interested in alternative media like UK column and would
- 54:21like to organise an interview with you if possible.
- 54:24She gave me a number best regards from Anna.
- 54:28Well, I went to have a look at her and very quickly I found out
- 54:32that she was labeled as disinformation reporter in
- 54:35Europe. And I thought, my goodness, I
- 54:38wonder what's coming here? So I decided to e-mail her back
- 54:42and this is what I said. Thank you for your e-mail.
- 54:45Would you be kind enough to tell me a little bit more about what
- 54:48you would like to achieve in the interview?
- 54:50What is your interest in UK column and what would you like
- 54:53to cover? It would also be helpful to know
- 54:56a little more about you and your work at AFP.
- 55:00Do you have a summary CV and perhaps three of your articles
- 55:03that you can share that you feel best reflect your work in a
- 55:07related subject area? Well, fair enough, She did
- 55:12respond, she said. Thank you Brian for getting back
- 55:15to me. I've been looking at independent
- 55:17media outlets like The Light Newspaper, the Conservative
- 55:20Woman and UK Column, which I wasn't very aware of before,
- 55:25which seemed to be expanding since the pandemic.
- 55:28While they're different, I see overlaps in terms of topics,
- 55:32contributors and readers. Viewers.
- 55:35I met some UK column fans at a rally in London this month and
- 55:38you'll post some videos often come up.
- 55:42So my main questions are about why people are looking at this
- 55:46media, what topics and opinions are aired, the use of social
- 55:50media, what the business models are, Also what links there there
- 55:54are with similar media outlets in other countries.
- 55:57Happy to answer any questions. And then she does also respond
- 56:04sort of to my question about her career because she says I'm
- 56:07fairly freshly back in the UK after working in Ukraine and
- 56:11Poland, and I've spent most of my career in Russia.
- 56:14So most of my stories are not very relevant.
- 56:18And here are some links. And she sent me three stories.
- 56:21Absolutely right. They weren't very relevant, but
- 56:25I decided to be a good investigative journalist and go
- 56:28and have a look at Anna in a bit more detail.
- 56:31This is part of Mark Rack. Apologies to Mark Racks and I
- 56:35should have their header on the top of this, but here you can
- 56:39see you've got an image for Anna which is the same image on her
- 56:44ex page. And the first article in the
- 56:48most recent is Brothers Blame, influence of mum's conspiracy
- 56:52theories after sister's death. And this is Anna's own version
- 56:57of Marianna Springs Vicious, vicious hit piece on Kate
- 57:01Shemorani. And if you have a look at the
- 57:05article itself by Anna Malpass, you can see that she's
- 57:09absolutely mimicking Marianna Springs vicious attack on that
- 57:15family. But when I got deeper into AFP,
- 57:18of course, you discover they're absolutely vast media
- 57:21organization. And not only that, they're in
- 57:25bed with the political side of the European Union.
- 57:29And via their media Lab creation, they're involved in
- 57:34research and development for the EU, which of course is funded by
- 57:39the EU. And I'll let people have a look
- 57:42at this particular diagram on screen, but it's showing how
- 57:47they are supposedly protecting citizens from misinformation and
- 57:54disinformation via this quite complex surveillance system.
- 58:00Now the boss of the organization fabrics Freeze, he's got a very
- 58:05interesting quote available public publicly, which says the
- 58:08three big press agencies do not play the same role of gatekeeper
- 58:13that we did 20 years ago. And he goes on to say news
- 58:17agencies can no longer only report facts.
- 58:20They must now debunk fake news. And this is a new mission for
- 58:26AFP. Well, if you do a bit more work,
- 58:29you find that this is heavily embedded into the European Union
- 58:34and their research and innovation unit.
- 58:36And amongst other things, the EU is crowing that they're going to
- 58:39be using AI in order to take down misinformation and
- 58:47disinformation. So I responded to Anna and I
- 58:51said thank you for the response outlining your interests and
- 58:54providing the links that you have.
- 58:56Your response does raise a couple of questions, so I'll be
- 58:59interested in your answers. Your LinkedIn page simply shows
- 59:03your career starting November 2020.
- 59:06How did you progress into journalism and how did you come
- 59:09specialized in reporting from Ukraine, Poland and Russia?
- 59:14Mainstream media journalists are usually quite open on LinkedIn
- 59:18regarding their education, training and career progression
- 59:21in journalism. And there was a little bit more.
- 59:24LinkedIn also describes you as disinformation reporter in
- 59:29Europe. Is disinformation reporting your
- 59:32professional role with AFP? And if so, is this the reason
- 59:36you're now showing an interest in the light the Conservative
- 59:39woman and UK column? Is your approach to the UK
- 59:42column linked to any of Associated French Press's 14
- 59:48existing European fact checking projects?
- 59:51But lastly, I understand that you may be working with and or
- 59:54sharing research work and stories with Marianna Spring,
- 59:59disinformation expert at the BBC.
- 1:00:02Is this the case? Well, I'm happy to tell our
- 1:00:05audience today that the reply from Anna was absolute silence.
- 1:00:10She's run away and presumably asking the telling questions
- 1:00:15about what she was really up to and intended and intending as.
- 1:00:21As put a as a cat on a hot tin roof, Ben.
- 1:00:25We're going to end with a video here, which should also produce
- 1:00:28a bit of a smile on our audience's face.
- 1:00:31What have you got for us? If you don't laugh, you'll cry.
- 1:00:36Brian, this is the list. There you got your bucket list,
- 1:00:41your grocery list, you listed things to do.
- 1:00:43You got a list of all your wishes.
- 1:00:44That's a wish list, dude. You got your Amazon and Santa
- 1:00:47Claus and good fair too. But I know a list that don't
- 1:00:50exist and buddy, so do you. It's the Epstein list.
- 1:00:53It's a mystery list. But the twist is a myth of a
- 1:00:56list that we all just missed being optimist.
- 1:00:59Not a passing. Miss if you wish.
- 1:01:01To persist, it's probably best to forget that list.
- 1:01:03And what were we talking about? I don't remember, but I'm sleep
- 1:01:08a lot better at night. Yeah, life can just go along.
- 1:01:12Knowing this, 10,000 hours of sunshine, flowers and nobody
- 1:01:16doing a damn thing wrong here. No see, no damn bongi, no cash,
- 1:01:20but tell Well, I wouldn't want to be a.
- 1:01:22Sweating man with bulging eyes, but tell me them fellas ain't
- 1:01:26compromised. Dude, dude, dude, dude.
- 1:01:30Any implicated dude will tell you.
- 1:01:32Anybody on the big list knows. Just how far the folks in charge
- 1:01:37of go to keep? The status quo.
- 1:01:39So when the war bell rings, a song that they'll sing is a song
- 1:01:43that we well know. So it's off to where I go.
- 1:01:49But they said it's. Going to fix it, but now they're
- 1:01:51all complicit. They old, they old.
- 1:01:54They old, they old. So it's after we go send the
- 1:02:00poor after war? What?
- 1:02:01Else are we for music and a sense of humour does a lot.
- 1:02:13Ben, thank you very much for that.
- 1:02:16Ben Duan, thank you very much for joining me today and thank
- 1:02:20you to our audience wherever you are in the world.
- 1:02:22And we know you are spread worldwide.
- 1:02:25So this is really wonderful stuff.
- 1:02:27More and more people discovering UK column.
- 1:02:31Help us spread the word and bring some more people into our
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- 1:02:52Bye bye.