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Hutton & Withrow: College Football’s Worst Vibes: Clemson, Florida State, Michigan & Wisconsin in Trouble | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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Speaker 1: Glad you're with us. Good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: He's Chad Withrow. I'm Jonathan Hutton.
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Speaker 1: This is Hutton and Withrow on sport and state live
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Speaker 1: on YouTube as well. A lot to hit on throughout
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Speaker 1: today's show.
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Speaker 2: Jam-packed.
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Speaker 1: We're talking worst vibes for programs across college football. The
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Speaker 1: top five players in the NFL in a contract year
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Speaker 2: good morning. Good morning, Hutton. I smoked some pork chops yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I sent you the picture. I saw them. They look great, man.
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Speaker 2: It was great. I tried the sear method. I pumped
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Speaker 2: that puppy up to about 400 degrees right before pulling
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Speaker 2: him off the smoker and seared the outside. Delicious. So
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Speaker 2: I'm in a good mood. I've eaten the meats. I'm
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Speaker 2: proteined up. I'm caffeinated up. I am ready to go.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll come up with another word like masturbatory at
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Speaker 2: some point today. Well done. That we can bring back
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Speaker 2: into the lexicon. That's the hope for today. Is the
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Speaker 2: pork chop the toughest to smoke? No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: In fact, one of the easiest, believe it or not.
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Speaker 2: It's only about an hour. And you cook it pretty low.
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Speaker 2: It's like 225, 250 for an hour. At restaurants, everyone
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Speaker 2: is so critical about the pork chop. Well, people can
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Speaker 2: be very precious about their pork. And this is the
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Speaker 2: issue with that. It's the lowest temperature to reach your
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Speaker 2: internal temp where it's okay. But also, if you don't
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Speaker 2: get there, the chance of getting sick from bad pork
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Speaker 2: is way higher with trichinosis. So you want it right
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Speaker 2: in a range of like 145 to 152. And anything
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Speaker 2: over that, it gets chewy and rubbery. But if you
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Speaker 2: get it right around 145, 150, you're perfect. This is
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Speaker 2: our meat corner on the show. Now, I wasn't expecting
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Speaker 2: to dive into this, but I could talk pork all day.
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Speaker 2: But pork chops are great on the smoker. I asked
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Speaker 2: that question too. It's really good.
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Speaker 1: Solely to show off your expertise here, because you have
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Speaker 1: gone from novice to craftsman. on this over the last year.
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Speaker 2: So much so that we are going to oxford mississippi
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Speaker 2: we're going to start having uh some sec centric shows
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Speaker 2: around big events and big games on friday night and
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Speaker 2: we can go ahead and announce this we're going to
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Speaker 2: be doing a friday night show um from funkies on
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Speaker 2: the square in oxford mississippi the night before the lane
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Speaker 2: train rolls into town and lsu and all this and
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Speaker 2: um the house that we're staying at Hutton has a
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Speaker 2: giant smoker. And I'm even thinking, I'm like, I might
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Speaker 2: get some meat for you boys and smoke it up
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Speaker 2: that Saturday if we're at the house watching football. So
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Speaker 2: that could be something that happens. Also, it might be
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Speaker 2: something I'm not interested in doing on that Saturday. We'll
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Speaker 2: see how things are going. We'll see how everybody's doing.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Maybe we'll have power. Maybe
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Speaker 2: we won't.
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing we'll have it restored prior to the timeframe
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Speaker 1: that we saw last night for Florida State. I was
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Speaker 1: a part of the longest game in NFL history between
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Speaker 1: the Titans and Dolphins on a broadcast. It was seven
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Speaker 1: plus hours, nearly eight hours to get the game done.
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Speaker 1: I know what it's like to fill the time with
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Speaker 1: all of this and the uncertainty of anybody giving you
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Speaker 1: any information whatsoever. That's exactly what I felt. I felt
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Speaker 1: for the broadcast crew last night more than anything, waiting
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Speaker 1: that thing out. And quite frankly, Chad, I'm surprised they
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Speaker 1: didn't move it to today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Taylor McGregor, I thought, shout out to her. I
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Speaker 2: thought she did a good job with ESPN on the sideline.
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Speaker 2: At one point, it could have gone really badly, but
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Speaker 2: they came back from a break, and it was her
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Speaker 2: mic that was in program that was talking to a producer.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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Speaker 2: And you could hear their conversation. And she said, okay,
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Speaker 2: so I'm going to go to both the coach and
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Speaker 2: the AD and figure out contingencies on what happens if
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Speaker 2: this happens in timing. And you could tell she's just
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Speaker 2: talking normally to her producer that he says something like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're going to do this. And then they immediately cut
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Speaker 2: to the host, who's I don't know her last name,
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Speaker 2: but I think her name was also Taylor because I
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Speaker 2: was thrown off. But they kept going, OK, now we
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Speaker 2: go to Taylor. Well, Taylor, I was talking and they
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Speaker 2: were going back and forth, calling each other Taylor. Good
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Speaker 2: job by the broadcast crew. I thought during that whole thing,
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Speaker 2: it was crazy. I had a buddy text me and say,
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Speaker 2: is this Tallahassee or Tehran? When you're looking at this
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Speaker 2: game like they tried to reset the power. and they
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Speaker 2: blew the whole thing out. So a car hit a
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Speaker 2: transporter or something? Is that what I saw? So Danny
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Speaker 2: Connell is claiming that the night before, and they did
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Speaker 2: say this, that there was a power outage the night before,
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Speaker 2: but they kept saying because of storms in the area.
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Speaker 2: Danny Connell is saying some Florida State student was speeding,
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Speaker 2: lost control, and hit a substation. Yes. And that's what
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Speaker 2: happened the night before.
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Speaker 1: Busted with the Boys has a video that they say is...
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Speaker 1: claiming to be the video of that car yeah uh
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Speaker 1: it looks i mean there's airbags out and all that
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Speaker 1: i mean i again i don't i don't know if
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Speaker 1: that's the real accident or not they didn't say it
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Speaker 1: you know they didn't confirm that um but yeah i
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Speaker 1: mean it's just one of those deals florida this time
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Speaker 1: of year chad i've said this for years uh the
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Speaker 1: miami dolphins should not be playing home games in september
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Speaker 1: and you know tallahassee is right there too it just
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Speaker 1: the weather is so uncertain And, you know, hurricanes, everything
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Speaker 1: else will just push back games. They should be on
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Speaker 1: the road just because of the weather. This wasn't that.
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Speaker 1: But I'm surprised they're not playing today in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the day instead of under the lights or half
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Speaker 1: the lights. Because you could tell that all the lights
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Speaker 1: were not on full time.
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Speaker 2: Well, and they kept on, you know, trying to say, guys,
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Speaker 2: you know, this was weather last night, but there's no
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Speaker 2: weather right now. So this is something else. I mean, again,
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Speaker 2: I thought the broadcast did a good job of keeping
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Speaker 2: everybody informed. I would ask the question, why not just
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Speaker 2: come back and play it today? Now, I understand there
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Speaker 2: are limited hotels in a city like Tallahassee, and there
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Speaker 2: may have been hotel considerations because SMU was trying to
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Speaker 2: get out after that game.
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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And that was their schedule the whole time. Was that
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Speaker 2: hotel booked up? Were they going to have to kick
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Speaker 2: people out with reservations to keep the team in that
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Speaker 2: same hotel another night? I have no idea. I did
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Speaker 2: like what Jimbo Fisher had to say on this. I
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Speaker 2: did too. He was good.
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Speaker 3: Because.
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Speaker 2: Look, we're a show. We try to be a show
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Speaker 2: of the people, right? We're fans of the sport, too.
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Speaker 2: We understand. We want to look out for fans and
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Speaker 2: all that. But Jimbo was basically like, screw the fans.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to come back or they're not
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Speaker 2: tomorrow because they're saying, well, everybody has a ticket, and
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Speaker 2: then what do you do with that? It's like, you
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Speaker 2: tell them they can come back tomorrow. If not, you
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Speaker 2: give them some credits or something for a future game
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Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah. But he's like, you know, there are
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Speaker 2: jobs on the line here, is what he was saying.
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Speaker 2: He's like, there are people getting paid money to play, too. Like,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot happening with the coaches and players. You
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Speaker 2: want to give them the best chance on both sides,
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Speaker 2: you know, to have a functional game and a setup
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Speaker 2: that would be somewhat normal to what they were expecting
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Speaker 2: and what they were preparing for. with communication in the
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Speaker 2: helmet and everything else that was down. Now, it felt
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Speaker 2: like they got everything going by the second quarter for
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Speaker 2: the most part. I know replay was an issue, but
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Speaker 2: a lot of the communication, I know the scoreboard got synced, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, bravo, ACC. Your scoreboard is synced with
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Speaker 2: a television broadcast like every other one except for the
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Speaker 2: Big Ten, apparently.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice right above the clock on the screen
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Speaker 1: last night, late in the game, it said, the time
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Speaker 1: clock is being kept on the field.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You notice that? Yeah. They threw that up there.
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Speaker 2: I don't realize they actually was. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that was, that was, everybody had to think
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Speaker 1: the same thing we were thinking when we saw that, um, the, the, uh,
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Speaker 1: you remember the, the, the state championship game you and
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Speaker 1: I called Marcel Reed got hurt and we were just tried.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a long delay and you just,
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're repeating the same thing over and
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Speaker 1: over and over. That is a long, that's a long
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Speaker 1: show to fill. And then all of a sudden you
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Speaker 1: get to halftime and you're like, is the game over? No, it's,
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Speaker 1: here we go, second half. They did a nice job
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Speaker 1: and everyone's going to be very critical of that. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: everyone's going to be repetitive. And I'm surprised they didn't
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Speaker 1: go back to the booth as much as they should have,
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Speaker 1: you know, back to the studio. They had the host
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Speaker 1: talking a lot from the stadium.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that was their studio. I mean, they had
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Speaker 2: a really nice setup in the end zone for that
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Speaker 2: ACC huddle. or whatever show they do for ACC Network
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Speaker 2: that was there live on site. So they did a
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Speaker 2: good job turning it into an event with that panel
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Speaker 2: that was there, and that was their studio. They kept
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Speaker 2: going back to that, then to Taylor McGregor. They never
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Speaker 2: really went to the booth, but I can remember very
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Speaker 2: often they just kept it between Taylor on the sideline
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Speaker 2: and then that panel, that studio that they had the
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Speaker 2: whole time. Look, I was amazed that– Hutton, you're way
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Speaker 2: more into conspiracy theories than I am, but when the
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Speaker 2: transformer blows five minutes before– Kickoff, I'm thinking, what is
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Speaker 2: going on? Did Florida State do this? Did they trip
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Speaker 2: a wire? You got Mike Norvell in danger of losing
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Speaker 2: his job. A buddy of mine texted me and said,
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Speaker 2: you know, this would be a good time to fire
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Speaker 2: Mike Norvell. Because you basically go to him and say, dude,
9:05
Speaker 2: it's so inept around here right now that we can't
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Speaker 2: even get the lights on. and the scoreboard working in
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Speaker 2: time for a game. And I know you have nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with this, Coach, but this is another sign
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Speaker 2: that we need to move in a different direction. That
9:16
Speaker 2: could have been a good time to go ahead and
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Speaker 2: make that move. Watching the game itself, Hutton, Mike Norvell
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Speaker 2: looks terrified. Yes. He looks terrified. He was borderline shaking
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Speaker 2: on the sidelines when the game started. But every fourth
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Speaker 2: down they went for, it was not going for fourth
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Speaker 2: down out of any confidence. It was, we're not going
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Speaker 2: to have many chances to score. We've got to make
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Speaker 2: something happen right now. I'm looking at the numbers from
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Speaker 2: last night's game. They passed for 125 yards. They were
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Speaker 2: 12 for 23. They were giving the football back four times.
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Speaker 2: There were four turnovers in that game. Five yards per completion.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just short gains each time. They had to
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Speaker 2: rely on the run game, but even the run game,
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Speaker 2: they had 199 yards, which is pretty good. SMU had 155.
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Speaker 2: The difference was SMU threw for 430 yards in this game.
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Speaker 2: And you highlighted the big difference in the game. The
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Speaker 2: only reason it wasn't a blowout was the four turnovers.
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Speaker 2: It would be a boat race. For SMU. I mean, statistically,
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Speaker 2: it's not close between those two teams in that game.
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Speaker 2: Florida State was very, very fortunate to be in that
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Speaker 2: game the way they were because of the turnovers. And
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Speaker 2: then to lose that game, I mean, it's not, we're
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Speaker 2: going to get into the five most, the worst vibes
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Speaker 2: in college football. I'm not putting Florida State in that
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Speaker 2: group of five right now, but they're right on the
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Speaker 2: outside looking in. Because they lost by a field goal
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Speaker 2: to a top 20 team, you know, there's no huge
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Speaker 2: shame in that. But also, there's some shame when you
10:38
Speaker 2: look at how that game actually went down. Isn't it
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Speaker 2: amazing how Vegas knows? Spreads two and a half.
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Speaker 1: Spreads two and a half wins on a field goal.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if Norvell, if I was Norvell,
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Speaker 1: I would not be terrified. His buyout, if he gets
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Speaker 1: fired during the season, is somewhere between $ 46 and $ 51 million.
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Speaker 1: If he's fired after this season, it's $ 45. 6.
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Speaker 2: That is incredible. You're right.
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Speaker 1: He gets off the perception of a guy who's just
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Speaker 1: so nervous that he's going to lose his job and he's.
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Speaker 2: Going to be homeless. But the guy's going to get
11:16
Speaker 2: $ 50 million.
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Speaker 1: $ 50 million. To fail. Paid to fail in college football.
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Speaker 1: It is remarkable what these coaches get.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. I mean, 2023, I think, maybe? Was that
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Speaker 2: the year? It was Nick Saban's retirement. Right. So, yeah, 2023. Yes. 2023,
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Speaker 2: they had that great run. They get snubbed. They should
11:37
Speaker 2: have been in the playoff. They weren't. Right? That was
11:40
Speaker 2: the last year. Yes, last year, the 14 playoff. They
11:44
Speaker 2: get snubbed. A year later, they would have been in easily, obviously,
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Speaker 2: in the 12 team. 2024, they go 2-10. But after
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Speaker 2: that 2023 season, all the talk was about Norvell was
11:53
Speaker 2: going to go to Alabama, right? And then he negotiates
11:55
Speaker 2: that big contract to not go to Alabama. But you
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Speaker 2: want to talk about life coming at you fast in
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Speaker 2: major college football? It goes from Mike Norvell, who could
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Speaker 2: be the next head coach for the Alabama Crimson Tide,
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Speaker 2: to know he's going to stay at Florida State, which
12:08
Speaker 2: at the time everyone said, oh, I get it. You've
12:11
Speaker 2: already built something. You just had a great season. Just
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Speaker 2: re-up and keep going at Florida State. The next year, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: in 2024, they're 2-10 in 2024. Behind the scenes, they're
12:22
Speaker 2: contemplating suing the ACC. yeah right with North Carolina was
12:27
Speaker 2: it North Carolina or NC State it was one of
12:28
Speaker 2: the two um they they're they're contemplating uh but it
12:33
Speaker 2: was Clemson but it was Florida State that started all
12:36
Speaker 2: of it you know so they've got all that they
12:38
Speaker 2: want to keep their coach they're thinking about what are
12:40
Speaker 2: we going to dependent we don't know what we're doing
12:42
Speaker 2: um they're they're talking buyout from the contract of the
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Speaker 2: ACC and then they keep their coach and then they
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Speaker 2: start losing I mean they bottomed out um It's almost
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Speaker 2: like they didn't get in and they just, like, gave up. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: 2-10 the next year. It was bad from the start.
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Speaker 2: And then last year, you know, they beat Alabama to
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Speaker 2: open the year. Okay, well, Mike Norvell's back. Florida State's back.
13:08
Speaker 2: Tommy Castellanos looked good in that game as the quarterback
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Speaker 2: coming over from Boston College. The team who beat them
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Speaker 2: the year before, if you remember, to open the season
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Speaker 2: on Labor Day night in Bill O'Brien's debut. That's right.
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Speaker 2: They end up losing, I think, seven of their last
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Speaker 2: nine games or something like that. They go five and
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Speaker 2: seven on the season. They miss out on a bowl game.
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Speaker 2: Now it's sort of that Luke Fickle feeling of you
13:34
Speaker 2: brought them back. Even Scott Frost, remember, at Nebraska, you
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Speaker 2: brought them back, but there's no real buzz or excitement.
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Speaker 2: It just feels like if and not when. John, in
13:41
Speaker 2: our YouTube chat right now, says Mike Gravel will be
13:44
Speaker 2: getting fired. It's just a matter of when during the
13:47
Speaker 2: season or after the season. Gus Malzahn is there, right? Yes.
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Speaker 2: There you go. He's your interim. That's right. If you
13:55
Speaker 2: decide to go that way. But I'm also watching this
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Speaker 2: game and I'm thinking, I mean, what is their offense?
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that I have a lot
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Speaker 2: of faith in Gus Malzahn either. Not that he's going
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Speaker 2: to get the job permanently, but look, it's a good job.
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Speaker 2: You want to talk about karma, the fact that it's
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Speaker 2: Florida State and Clemson that were making the most noise
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Speaker 2: about being so super valuable to the ACC and wanting
14:17
Speaker 2: out and doing all these things, and they've been bad
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Speaker 2: really since doing that. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't
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Speaker 2: know where this thing ends up for Florida State and
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Speaker 2: Mike Norvell, but I'm watching that whole delay last night, and...
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Speaker 2: I can't help but in my mind think Mike Norvell
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Speaker 2: had something to do with this, even though I know
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Speaker 2: that he didn't. But if that's what you're thinking, Hutton
14:38
Speaker 2: starting a season in game number one with all that
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Speaker 2: pressure on you, and he's looking as nervous and jittery
14:45
Speaker 2: as he does on the sideline, it's not a good thing.
14:48
Speaker 2: But you're right about the financials of it. Yeah, early.
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Speaker 2: He's going to get paid. That's for sure.
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Speaker 1: I remember during the Dolphins-Titans delay, the weather delay, They
15:01
Speaker 1: had staff down at the locker room just making peanut
15:04
Speaker 1: butter and jelly sandwiches for those players. There's no telling,
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Speaker 1: because you don't really know when the lights are going
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Speaker 1: to come back on. So there's no telling what the
15:12
Speaker 1: staff had to do, especially for the road team. The
15:16
Speaker 1: visitors are supposed to be treated the same way, and
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Speaker 1: they don't have the great locker room set up that
15:25
Speaker 1: Florida State would have.
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Speaker 2: That's not the best... Hey, this is why we have
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Speaker 2: a YouTube chat. We get fact-checked every now and again,
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Speaker 2: and we appreciate it from Chris and Brooks. Malzahn retired
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Speaker 2: in the offseason. So Mike Norvell is the play caller again.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Even more of a reason to fire him if you're
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Speaker 2: Florida State. I mean, you're going to save about a
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Speaker 2: million and a half. Yeah, so Malzahn retired in the offseason.
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Speaker 2: He's not anywhere. Chris also says Jimbo is the textbook
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Speaker 2: on buyout money living, just living on A & M' s money.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that could be Mike Norvell too. Jimbo Fisher
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Speaker 2: is amazing to me, watching him at that studio. I
16:04
Speaker 2: like what he said about, you know, screw the fans, basically.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's about the players and the coaches here.
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Speaker 2: Let's get this thing where they can play. And he
16:11
Speaker 2: was adamant about not playing under those conditions. Hutton, I
16:14
Speaker 2: also listen to Jimbo Fisher, and I'm like, this dude
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Speaker 2: won a national title? It's incredible to me when you
16:21
Speaker 2: hear him talk. Like, this guy was the top of
16:24
Speaker 2: the sport at one point. I'm not saying he's dumb.
16:28
Speaker 2: he's just so folksy and like, I, I'm amazed he
16:32
Speaker 2: was able to rally people the way he was and
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Speaker 2: organized to the level of a national championship at Florida
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Speaker 2: state and get all that money from A & M.
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Speaker 1: He just sounds like an old school coach to me.
16:42
Speaker 1: He sounds like a coach for the nineties, like a
16:44
Speaker 1: Spurrier or a Bowden or whatever, you know, like just there. And,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, if, if Ed Orgeron could do it,
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Speaker 1: anybody can, uh, did you, they were talking about moving
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Speaker 1: the game to tomorrow or today. And, um, He goes,
16:58
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal for SMU. They've got UC Davis.
17:01
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal. And he's right. But that
17:07
Speaker 2: was very honest. And yes, he's like, if I've got
17:09
Speaker 2: UC Davis coming up, then I'm okay staying one extra
17:12
Speaker 2: night and getting an extra day off to get ready
17:15
Speaker 2: for it. Which was, I mean, UC Davis, you were
17:17
Speaker 2: talking about rat poison we'll be talking about later. UC
17:20
Speaker 2: Davis sitting around like, all right, we got our bulletin
17:22
Speaker 2: board material for this game coming up against SMU. I mean, look,
17:26
Speaker 2: you've been around a travel party in the NFL for
17:30
Speaker 2: a while. It's a bigger undertaking with more players and
17:33
Speaker 2: more staffers at times in college, but it's very similar
17:36
Speaker 2: in terms of equipment getting there. The difference is you're
17:40
Speaker 2: in college towns when you go on the road. So
17:42
Speaker 2: at times, Tennessee's going to play at Georgia Tech on Saturday.
17:45
Speaker 2: That's in Atlanta. They're fine with hotel space in the
17:48
Speaker 2: city of Atlanta of finding that and making sure they
17:50
Speaker 2: have rooms. But if you're in Tallahassee, which I know
17:53
Speaker 2: is not the smallest place, there are smaller college locales.
17:56
Speaker 2: That's right. Can you stay the extra night? I don't
17:59
Speaker 2: know what the setup was there, if that was even feasible.
18:02
Speaker 2: I am with Jimbo Fisher, though, that I prefer to
18:05
Speaker 2: just come back and play it during the day on
18:06
Speaker 2: a Tuesday. Today at some point, he played at noon,
18:08
Speaker 2: 1 o'clock, whatever. And if the fans want to come back,
18:11
Speaker 2: they can. If not, don't. But you want to have
18:13
Speaker 2: a functioning clock, and you want to have communication working. That,
18:18
Speaker 2: to me, is more important. You want to have all
18:20
Speaker 2: the lights working, which they did eventually come back on.
18:23
Speaker 2: I would demand replay.
18:24
Speaker 1: The thing, too, like the Michigan game, the way that ended,
18:28
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the clock on the field versus
18:30
Speaker 1: what we're seeing, all that stuff. I don't know who's
18:35
Speaker 1: in charge of that game. Who's making that call if
18:38
Speaker 1: they make the decision to move it to the next day?
18:42
Speaker 1: The NFL has a representative at every single game. that
18:47
Speaker 1: will be on the phone with the commissioner if a
18:50
Speaker 1: decision like that had to be made. Who's making that call?
18:54
Speaker 1: Is it just the ACC commissioner in this instance? But
18:58
Speaker 1: what if it's not a conference game?
19:01
Speaker 2: I don't know.
19:01
Speaker 1: I was interested in that. That's a storyline I would
19:05
Speaker 1: be trying to dig up. So Jim Phillips was there
19:07
Speaker 1: last night. They didn't make a big deal about it,
19:10
Speaker 1: but he was on the field. When they had the
19:12
Speaker 1: coaches meeting, and it was Rhett Lashley and Mike Norvell.
19:16
Speaker 2: I don't know if Mike Norvell was even out there
19:18
Speaker 2: at the time. Rhett Lashley was talking to someone who
19:19
Speaker 2: looked like his AD or director of football ops that
19:22
Speaker 2: was next to him with an SMU coach's shirt on.
19:25
Speaker 2: And Jim Phillips was out there with a headset on,
19:28
Speaker 2: and he was talking to the officials, and he was talking.
19:30
Speaker 2: It was someone with Florida State, probably the chief of
19:33
Speaker 2: staff for Mike Norvell also. And they were talking. They
19:36
Speaker 2: were looking up at the coaches' booth, and they were
19:38
Speaker 2: gesturing here and there about what was going to be happening.
19:41
Speaker 2: But Jim Phillips was the one nodding along and organizing
19:45
Speaker 2: the whole thing for the ACC. So that was a mess.
19:49
Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy to watch. the whole process,
19:51
Speaker 2: an hour and 40 minute delay to get to that
19:53
Speaker 2: point to play the game. But I still watch and
19:56
Speaker 2: I think it's great they got it in last night and,
19:59
Speaker 2: you know, it all ended fine and there were no
20:02
Speaker 2: huge issues or anything. And you had a close game
20:04
Speaker 2: and SMU wins on a walk off field goal. I'm
20:07
Speaker 2: also thinking to myself, probably still better if you would
20:09
Speaker 2: have come back and played that thing today. Uh, a
20:12
Speaker 2: final thought on it.
20:13
Speaker 1: It also tells you about the TV travel trucks that
20:16
Speaker 1: they bring, the power that they, they didn't lose power,
20:20
Speaker 1: you know, the, with their, with everything they're bringing on
20:24
Speaker 1: the side to ensure that they don't is, uh, is
20:27
Speaker 1: also an undertaking. Um, a lot to get to. We have, um,
20:31
Speaker 1: Arion Carter, who's brilliant in this. Great move by him.
20:36
Speaker 1: We'll explain coming up. Lane Kiffin's halftime speech has leaked.
20:41
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20:43
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20:46
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20:49
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20:52
Speaker 1: vibes for programs in college football.
20:54
Speaker 2: That's next.
20:55
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20:58
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21:01
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22:03
Speaker 2: great to have a winning evening. We went in. It was.
22:07
Speaker 2: We said yesterday it's going to be very straightforward. One
22:10
Speaker 2: big game tonight. We're going with it. And we took
22:13
Speaker 2: the winning side by a half a point with SMU
22:16
Speaker 2: covering that two and a half. For whatever reason, I
22:19
Speaker 2: thought this kicker was going to miss. I really did.
22:22
Speaker 2: came out there looking like he was wearing shorts. I
22:24
Speaker 2: always assume that the college kicker is going to miss.
22:27
Speaker 2: I've been conditioned to expect just utter failure when they
22:30
Speaker 2: get out there, especially one wearing Daisy Dukes. If they
22:33
Speaker 2: get out there and do that, they're going to miss. Yeah, absolutely.
22:37
Speaker 1: Put on some football pads, man. Look better than a
22:41
Speaker 1: soccer player out there. Chad, vibes across college football. You've got, what,
22:46
Speaker 1: five programs? that in college football have the worst vibes
22:50
Speaker 1: right now just based on the state of their football team?
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we might revisit this throughout the season
22:56
Speaker 2: too because it's going to change big time. Some of
22:59
Speaker 2: these teams right now that may have the worst vibes
23:00
Speaker 2: may have the best vibes in three or four weeks
23:03
Speaker 2: because of what they've done, right? So we're going to
23:05
Speaker 2: kind of have a little heat check here on the
23:08
Speaker 2: show on Tuesdays where we look at the top five
23:11
Speaker 2: worst vibes in the sport, and then maybe on Wednesday
23:13
Speaker 2: we come back with the top five best vibes in
23:15
Speaker 2: the sport. Top five worst vibes. I'm going to go
23:18
Speaker 2: one through five on this. Number one, your Clemson Tigers. Yeah,
23:23
Speaker 2: I'm with you. The vibes are about as bad as
23:27
Speaker 2: that sweater, sweatshirt that we're seeing Dabo wear that's very
23:31
Speaker 2: old school and very Dabo. And that is exactly the
23:34
Speaker 2: way this Clemson program feels right now. Look, they are
23:36
Speaker 2: not with the times. Dabo's not interested in getting with
23:40
Speaker 2: the times, even if he talks about his change and
23:43
Speaker 2: how they're going to approach things, this, that. He is
23:45
Speaker 2: not built for this life in Transfer Portal and NIL.
23:50
Speaker 2: And that is not a diss on Dabo. It's just reality.
23:54
Speaker 2: We saw coaches who knew they weren't built for this
23:56
Speaker 2: life that retired, like a Nick Saban. There's been other coaches,
24:02
Speaker 2: Tony Bennett in college basketball. He's like, I'm not doing this. Virginia,
24:06
Speaker 2: I just won't coach. And the other coaches that have
24:09
Speaker 2: adapted well to it, I think of John Calipari in
24:12
Speaker 2: college basketball. There's plenty of examples in college football, also
24:17
Speaker 2: older coaches who have done it for a long time
24:19
Speaker 2: that have adjusted, and they're doing very well. Dabo's not that.
24:23
Speaker 2: He's not adjusted well. Clemson looks completely outmatched. I said
24:27
Speaker 2: it yesterday, but LSU treated them like Kent State in
24:31
Speaker 2: a bye game to start the season, and that's what
24:33
Speaker 2: they looked like. It was 51-3 until they scored a
24:37
Speaker 2: late touchdown. They could have named their score. They could
24:40
Speaker 2: have kept going. It was truly awful. And if I'm
24:44
Speaker 2: a Clemson fan right now, the vibes are so bad
24:47
Speaker 2: because not only did you look terrible in the biggest
24:50
Speaker 2: game of the college football weekend in front of America
24:53
Speaker 2: where everyone was watching that game. and watching Lane Kiffin's debut,
24:56
Speaker 2: given all the drama surrounding Kiffin going into it, but Hutton,
25:00
Speaker 2: you're handcuffed to the coach. I don't think that Dabo's
25:04
Speaker 2: going to get fired by Clemson, given what he's done
25:07
Speaker 2: for the school. He might still get fired. I don't
25:09
Speaker 2: know what they're thinking, but it feels like you've got
25:12
Speaker 2: a stubborn coach who's going to have to resign. In
25:15
Speaker 2: order for you to get a coach who's with the times.
25:18
Speaker 2: And that's a tough spot to be in right now
25:19
Speaker 2: if you're a Clemson fan and you've experienced all this success.
25:22
Speaker 1: And in this era, you're never truly out of it.
25:26
Speaker 1: You're a year away, really, if you want to be.
25:29
Speaker 1: But that's not the case there. And I think just
25:34
Speaker 1: putting the pedal to the floor, so to speak, and
25:38
Speaker 1: spending money would have him retire just out of principle.
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's what they're going to do. because
25:45
Speaker 1: he's clearly in charge. What was the caller's name from
25:49
Speaker 1: the coaches' show?
25:51
Speaker 2: Oh, was he from Tyler?
25:54
Speaker 3: Yes.
25:55
Speaker 2: In Spartanburg? Spartanburg, there it is, yes. Tyler from Spartanburg? Well, Tyler.
26:00
Speaker 2: I would love to talk with him today. Yeah. He
26:03
Speaker 2: called in and basically said, I could do.
26:04
Speaker 1: A better job than you, and then Dabble said, you
26:07
Speaker 1: could have the job if you want it. Go ahead
26:09
Speaker 1: and apply with the university. I mean, I would love
26:12
Speaker 1: to see his resume right now.
26:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, JT's going to hate me for this, but JT,
26:15
Speaker 2: if we can find that and get it over to
26:18
Speaker 2: Lutz to play at some point, I'd love to hear
26:20
Speaker 2: the audio and see that again and revisit. As Dabo
26:24
Speaker 2: goes through the five-point argument as to why he should
26:27
Speaker 2: be the coach and what he thinks about Tyler and
26:29
Speaker 2: everyone else, that would be great. Brooks in the chat,
26:32
Speaker 2: by the way, great point, says that he said this yesterday,
26:35
Speaker 2: but he thinks Dabo and Clemson are in their 2000
26:37
Speaker 2: FSU Bobby Bowden era. where it was clear for a
26:43
Speaker 2: while he didn't have it, and Florida State had fallen
26:46
Speaker 2: on hard times, but he was going to have to retire,
26:48
Speaker 2: or he was going to have to step away, right?
26:50
Speaker 2: They weren't going to fire. And then Jimbo Fisher comes in,
26:52
Speaker 2: and what do they do? They win a national title,
26:54
Speaker 2: you know, eventually after that. It does feel a little
26:57
Speaker 2: bit like that.
26:58
Speaker 1: Chad, because you don't have FSU on your list, let's
27:01
Speaker 1: mention them here.
27:03
Speaker 2: This is the state of their program. We have a
27:04
Speaker 2: video of them.
27:07
Speaker 1: They're planting the spear to start the game, and it
27:10
Speaker 1: falls just flat.
27:12
Speaker 2: On the field. That's also, I would say, your spear
27:20
Speaker 2: is limp.
27:21
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to make sure this goes into
27:24
Speaker 1: the ground.
27:24
Speaker 2: It just falls back. I love that so much. It
27:30
Speaker 2: reminds me of Tommy Boy. That sail is limp. And
27:33
Speaker 2: the best response, the best is the audio of the
27:37
Speaker 2: fans just going, oh, you know, just the, here we
27:40
Speaker 2: go again. That's when they had power, too, I think.
27:43
Speaker 2: That's before the power went out. They had music going.
27:46
Speaker 2: Can you imagine sitting there? You're three sheets of the wind.
27:50
Speaker 2: You're a Florida State student. They're all drunk. I mean,
27:53
Speaker 2: we've seen Florida State party videos. Have you ever seen
27:56
Speaker 2: one of them? In that stadium. They're excited. Man, Monday night,
27:59
Speaker 2: Labor Day, we got the spotlight. We got SMU coming
28:03
Speaker 2: to town, a top 20 team. And then Chief Osceola
28:07
Speaker 2: charges onto the field, throws a lip spear down that
28:10
Speaker 2: rolls over. You got some staffer running out to pick
28:14
Speaker 2: it up so it doesn't completely set the entire field ablaze.
28:18
Speaker 2: And then two minutes later, your power goes out. Power
28:20
Speaker 2: just goes out. And you have no idea. It just
28:22
Speaker 2: says on the jumbotron when they finally get back, we're
28:24
Speaker 2: going to be under delay for a while. You just
28:25
Speaker 2: sit there for two hours. You just sit there for
28:26
Speaker 2: two hours. Yeah. Boy, we're making a good argument for
28:29
Speaker 2: Florida State to be in this top five, but they're not.
28:32
Speaker 2: Not in the top five because there are four others
28:34
Speaker 2: now that are worse than Florida State. Number two, Hutton,
28:37
Speaker 2: you want to talk about feeling helpless. Think about being
28:41
Speaker 2: a Rutgers football fan right now. I don't know how
28:44
Speaker 2: many of them exist. I don't know how many people
28:46
Speaker 2: care about Rutgers athletics. I feel like people in the
28:48
Speaker 2: state of New Jersey... They're Penn State fans, or they
28:52
Speaker 2: don't care about college football at all. They're all NFL people.
28:55
Speaker 2: I don't know what the clamoring is for Rutgers football
28:58
Speaker 2: to be good. We need to get Logan Ryan on
29:00
Speaker 2: to ask him about the support of Rutgers football. But
29:03
Speaker 2: if I am a die-hard Rutgers Scarlet Knights fan, I
29:08
Speaker 2: am looking around thinking, I don't know what to do.
29:13
Speaker 2: I have no idea how to proceed here in the
29:15
Speaker 2: Big Ten because this is miserable.
29:17
Speaker 1: This isn't 104,000. So their capacity at their stadium, Chad,
29:23
Speaker 1: is 52,454. They average 48,000. I'm stunned by that.
29:31
Speaker 2: I am too. 48,000. That's two arenas. I mean, granted,
29:36
Speaker 2: full disclosure, I've never been to a Rutgers game. I've
29:39
Speaker 2: never stayed. foot on that campus. I know little about it.
29:43
Speaker 2: But bear with me here. If you're Stanford and you're
29:46
Speaker 2: a Stanford fan, you could be like, we're Stanford. We
29:49
Speaker 2: are a preeminent university in the world. We have a
29:51
Speaker 2: beautiful campus in Palo Alto. People rave about it. We
29:55
Speaker 2: got Andrew Luck leading the program now. They suck right now.
29:58
Speaker 2: They showed that on Friday night against Miami. They are
30:00
Speaker 2: not a good football team. But they have pretty recently
30:03
Speaker 2: been a top 10, top 15 caliber team. They've shown
30:08
Speaker 2: consistency in how they can get it done at Stanford,
30:11
Speaker 2: and they have money to invest if they want to.
30:14
Speaker 2: They got a lot of money tied to that university
30:16
Speaker 2: and a lot of rich alums. If they care about football,
30:18
Speaker 2: they can do it. I can't say that about Rutgers.
30:21
Speaker 2: It's not some question of, well, when will Rutgers commit?
30:24
Speaker 2: They can commit all they want, Hutton, and you're still
30:27
Speaker 2: competing against all these other Big Ten schools with their
30:30
Speaker 2: alumni bases and their towns. which I believe are better
30:33
Speaker 2: than Piscataway and what Rutgers is doing. I have a
30:38
Speaker 2: hard time seeing any route to success for Rutgers in
30:42
Speaker 2: the Big Ten.
30:42
Speaker 1: Now, this would be every year, but it could be
30:45
Speaker 1: a lot like Vanderbilt where the road team brings fans.
30:48
Speaker 2: It could be. I don't know.
30:51
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't be every single year on rotation. But, yeah,
30:55
Speaker 1: maybe they just like to go out and sit in
30:57
Speaker 1: the cold and get drunk.
30:59
Speaker 2: Brooks in the chat says that his wife is from
31:01
Speaker 2: New Jersey. She has always referred to Rutgers as a, quote,
31:04
Speaker 2: garbage school and says his father-in-law wouldn't let her or
31:09
Speaker 2: my brother-in-law go to school at the State University of
31:12
Speaker 2: New Jersey, which is Rutgers. So there you have it.
31:16
Speaker 2: You know what I remember Rutgers was I think that
31:20
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that Tony Soprano's son, Anthony, Anthony Jr.,
31:24
Speaker 2: went to Rutgers when they were living in New Jersey
31:27
Speaker 2: on the Sopranos. And I'm like, oh. So that's the
31:29
Speaker 2: type of place Rutgers is. Okay, good. Good to know.
31:32
Speaker 2: Rutgers number two, Hunt, and you could easily put them
31:34
Speaker 2: number one because, again, it's hopeless. I see no hope
31:38
Speaker 2: for Rutgers and what they could be in the Big Ten.
31:40
Speaker 2: Greg Sciano was the one guy who had success in
31:43
Speaker 2: the Big East when he was there before. He's not
31:46
Speaker 2: having success in the Big Ten. He is a Jersey
31:49
Speaker 2: Rutgers type guy, and it's not working. Where do you
31:52
Speaker 2: go from there? How do you invest? I have no clue.
31:55
Speaker 2: For that reason, number two, worst vibes. Number three.
31:58
Speaker 1: Known for their philosophy department. I just looked it up.
32:01
Speaker 1: Better than their athletic department.
32:03
Speaker 2: Really good when you're known for a degree that makes
32:05
Speaker 2: you no money after you graduate with it. I could
32:08
Speaker 2: say that about a lot of degrees right now.
32:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:10
Speaker 2: Oh, I want to go study philosophy. Oh, so you
32:12
Speaker 2: don't want to make a living. You don't want to
32:14
Speaker 2: make a livable wage. Got it. Life science and urban planning.
32:18
Speaker 2: Urban planning is way more lucrative than philosophy. I can
32:21
Speaker 2: tell you that. As a parent, if I'm telling my kid, hey,
32:24
Speaker 2: I want to go be a philosophy major. No, you don't.
32:26
Speaker 2: You want to be an urban planning major, but don't
32:28
Speaker 2: go to Rutgers.
32:30
Speaker 1: AI also tells me reputation and prestige. It's perceived better
32:34
Speaker 1: outside of New Jersey. Consistent theme is that Rutgers is
32:38
Speaker 1: viewed more prestigiously further from New Jersey.
32:43
Speaker 2: But yet they get 55 grand. I don't know anybody
32:46
Speaker 2: who views it prestigiously here. And we're a long way
32:48
Speaker 2: in Nashville from New Jersey. So I don't know that
32:52
Speaker 2: AI even got that one right. Have you ever heard
32:54
Speaker 2: someone saying, man, I got to get to Jersey? If
32:56
Speaker 2: you're saying I got to get to Jersey for college,
32:59
Speaker 2: it's because you've applied to Princeton. Yeah, you went to
33:02
Speaker 2: the public Ivy. It's not because you're trying to go
33:04
Speaker 2: to Rutgers. That's for sure. You ended up at the
33:06
Speaker 2: public Ivy. Yeah, no doubt. Number three, top five worst vibes. Wisconsin. Wisconsin.
33:12
Speaker 2: Wisconsin is in a very similar spot to Florida State.
33:15
Speaker 2: They're in a very similar spot to what we saw
33:17
Speaker 2: a year ago with Florida. This is a very good
33:20
Speaker 2: college football program that had an identity that now completely
33:25
Speaker 2: lacks an identity under Luke Fickle, and I don't get it.
33:28
Speaker 2: I thought this was an amazing hire when they got
33:30
Speaker 2: him from Cincinnati. Felt like a no-nonsense, he's Mike Vrabel's
33:35
Speaker 2: best buddy. type, hard-nosed dude, Ohio guy. He is going
33:40
Speaker 2: to carry on the tradition of the Barry Alvarez Wisconsin
33:44
Speaker 2: teams that will line up and knock your ass in
33:46
Speaker 2: the dirt and run the football in cold weather environments.
33:50
Speaker 2: And they're going to get a lot of really good
33:52
Speaker 2: offensive linemen. They're going to get a really good running back.
33:55
Speaker 2: And they're going to beat your ass the old-fashioned way.
33:57
Speaker 2: And instead, I have no idea what they are. And
34:00
Speaker 2: their fan base is legit. Their fan base gets after it.
34:03
Speaker 2: Camp Randall. And I have no idea what they are now.
34:06
Speaker 2: I have no idea what their identity is. All I
34:08
Speaker 2: know is that they lose a lot and they lost
34:11
Speaker 2: big in game one against Notre Dame.
34:13
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised, though, you have them ahead of Michigan.
34:17
Speaker 2: Michigan won. I mean, that's really the only argument. Like, yes,
34:21
Speaker 2: they got an extra play. And no, I'm sorry, Heather Denich.
34:24
Speaker 2: It wasn't the right call. Even if you want to
34:26
Speaker 2: argue that for talking to your Big Ten officials about
34:29
Speaker 2: how it was the right call, it just looks bad.
34:32
Speaker 2: It's not the right call. Somebody's clock was messed up.
34:35
Speaker 2: There's one clock. It's in the stadium. It's on TV.
34:38
Speaker 2: That's synced up with it. That's the one you go with.
34:41
Speaker 2: Your clock, while maybe there was an honest mistake with
34:45
Speaker 2: that clock, it was the one that was off, and
34:47
Speaker 2: you went with the wrong clock if you said there
34:50
Speaker 2: was a second left in that game. But Michigan still won.
34:52
Speaker 2: They won the game. That's why they're fourth on this list.
34:55
Speaker 2: They got a W anyway. Yeah, yeah.
34:57
Speaker 1: Okay. But we know Michigan fans. We know a guy
35:02
Speaker 1: named Trevor. He's a massive Michigan fan.
35:03
Speaker 2: He's betting. He's taking Oklahoma. He's just like, we didn't
35:10
Speaker 2: deserve to win that game. We suck. We're done. He's
35:12
Speaker 2: just out of the quarterback, everybody. Yeah. JT, do we
35:16
Speaker 2: have the Kyle Whittingham press conference audio talking about Bryce Underwood?
35:20
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have that or not. We
35:22
Speaker 2: have it? Yeah, we've got to hear that. Yeah, let's
35:25
Speaker 2: hear it. It's early in the season. I think we're
35:27
Speaker 2: going to get off knowledge. How firmly is he QB-walking?
35:30
Speaker 3: He's our QB right now. Oh, boy. It's not something
35:34
Speaker 3: that's infinite. At some point, we've got to turn a
35:37
Speaker 3: corner and we've got to see improvement as we do
35:42
Speaker 3: with a bunch of stuff. We haven't seen improvement out
35:43
Speaker 3: of the coaches. It's not just on Bryce. It's not
35:48
Speaker 3: just Bryce's job that is not absolutely set in concrete. Nobody's.
35:53
Speaker 3: We've got to perform week in and week out and
35:57
Speaker 3: become somebody that we feel like is playing at a
36:00
Speaker 3: level that we can win with and And that goes
36:03
Speaker 3: far beyond Bryce. It goes throughout the whole team. And
36:07
Speaker 3: so what you've done lately has been important.
36:12
Speaker 2: Not exactly a vote of confidence for one Kyle Whittingham,
36:15
Speaker 2: but when you hear that right there. If Clay Travis
36:19
Speaker 2: was doing a press conference and he was asked, hey,
36:21
Speaker 2: what do you think about Jonathan Hutton and Chad Withrow
36:23
Speaker 2: and the host of your morning show, your flagship morning
36:25
Speaker 2: show for Sporting State? And Clay Travis stepped up there
36:28
Speaker 2: and said, You know, they're our hosts right now. It's
36:31
Speaker 2: not infinite or anything. I mean, you know, they've got
36:34
Speaker 2: to improve and they've got to do a good job.
36:36
Speaker 2: And if he spoke like Kyle Whittingham right there, I
36:39
Speaker 2: would be preparing my resume at that point after hearing that.
36:44
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a freshman that is his backup.
36:46
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a great backup option. I mean,
36:50
Speaker 1: what are they paying this guy? I know that's not
36:53
Speaker 1: the end-all, be-all here. And that's also– Whittingham can walk
36:57
Speaker 1: in and do that. because what he's done, the wins
37:02
Speaker 1: he has, and the fact that he's there to clean
37:05
Speaker 1: up the mess. He wasn't there to make the decisions
37:08
Speaker 1: to bring these guys in. He's there to just... He's
37:12
Speaker 1: doing exactly what Robert Salas says they're doing here, where
37:15
Speaker 1: they're not coddling.
37:15
Speaker 2: I love that.
37:16
Speaker 1: He's just being blunt and honest. He does have to
37:20
Speaker 1: play better. That offense was awful. The offensive line sucks.
37:26
Speaker 2: You've got....
37:29
Speaker 1: Bryce, who can't complete passes, I think he started 6
37:32
Speaker 1: of 6 and then went 6 for 16 after that.
37:38
Speaker 1: That's not up to the standard that is required to
37:43
Speaker 1: have the 5-star next to your name.
37:46
Speaker 2: I think he's making $ 4. 5 million or somewhere around there
37:49
Speaker 2: a year. It's $ 15 million all told for his multi-year
37:52
Speaker 2: deal because that was a joke about the Louisiana purchase.
37:56
Speaker 2: This is what we got in 1803 versus what you
37:58
Speaker 2: get now, and it was a photo of Bryce Underwood
38:00
Speaker 2: for $ 15 million. So not working out for Michigan, but again,
38:04
Speaker 2: they won, so I've got them a little further down
38:05
Speaker 2: the list. There it is right there. What $ 15 million
38:08
Speaker 2: bought you in 1803 and what it buys you in 2026.
38:11
Speaker 2: 170 yards of touchdown interception. QBR 54.1. And by the way,
38:17
Speaker 2: he is getting ripped by people who watch quarterbacks. I
38:21
Speaker 2: saw Joel Klatt, a buddy of ours who's really good,
38:24
Speaker 2: talking quarterbacks, and he was very brutally honest on Underwood
38:29
Speaker 2: and said he looked like he's regressed big time. He
38:32
Speaker 2: wasn't good last year, and he's regressed. He's staring down targets.
38:36
Speaker 2: He's not going through a progression. He looks unsure. He
38:39
Speaker 2: looks worse than he did a year ago, so not
38:42
Speaker 2: good news for Michigan.
38:43
Speaker 1: And then keep in mind, that defense gave up a
38:45
Speaker 1: 20-play drive to a MAAC team.
38:49
Speaker 2: And that's what Kyle Whittingham teams do. That's what's also
38:52
Speaker 2: so disappointing. That's what you'd expect from a Whittingham team,
38:54
Speaker 2: a 20-play drive, right? You give that up against Western Michigan.
38:58
Speaker 2: That's brutal. So Michigan's in the top five, but not
39:01
Speaker 2: at the top. Number five, Hutton, Oklahoma State. Game number one,
39:06
Speaker 2: you're excited about a new coach, and Eric Moore is
39:08
Speaker 2: coming over from North Texas. He brings his quarterback, Drew Mestemaker.
39:12
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks, boy, this offense is going to look better.
39:14
Speaker 2: This is going to be great. You're a two-touchdown favorite
39:17
Speaker 2: close to it. On the road at Tulsa, in-state, I
39:20
Speaker 2: wouldn't even call it a rival, but I guess it
39:22
Speaker 2: is now when you look at Tulsa and Oklahoma State.
39:25
Speaker 2: Tulsa set the wheels in motion for Gundy to get
39:27
Speaker 2: fired last year when they beat them badly in week
39:30
Speaker 2: number one. And now Tulsa, they greet Morris rudely in
39:38
Speaker 2: game number one. 24-10. That great offense put up 10
39:42
Speaker 2: points against Tulsa. Brutal. Brutal start for the Cowboys. You
39:46
Speaker 2: have the stat. They haven't won a FBS game since when?
39:50
Speaker 2: September of 2024 was the last time they beat a
39:53
Speaker 2: non-FCS opponent. So that program has fallen on harder times
39:58
Speaker 2: than pretty much anyone else. And look, it's game one.
40:01
Speaker 2: So you put them down the list because they're still
40:03
Speaker 2: going to be excitement around Eric Morris. But what a
40:06
Speaker 2: brutal start as a favorite on the road to go
40:09
Speaker 2: in and lose by two touchdowns that way. So again,
40:11
Speaker 2: top five worst vibes in college football after week one.
40:17
Speaker 2: Number one, Clemson. Number two, Rutgers. What do you even
40:20
Speaker 2: do with Rutgers in the Big Ten? Number three, Wisconsin.
40:23
Speaker 2: What do you do with Luke Fickle? Probably fire him
40:25
Speaker 2: at some point. Number four, Michigan. Rough start for Kyle Whittingham.
40:30
Speaker 2: Number five, Oklahoma State. Equally rough start for Eric Morris.
40:35
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40:38
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42:06
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42:09
Speaker 2: back in the day in the old radio days, I
42:10
Speaker 2: had to read very fast. I think during high school
42:13
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42:15
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42:18
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42:20
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42:27
Speaker 1: Uh, we'll, I'm going to get to the, the NFL
42:29
Speaker 1: players in just a moment. I want to hit while
42:31
Speaker 1: we're talking college link. If it's halftime speech, um, uh,
42:36
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, Chad, I loved it.
42:38
Speaker 1: It's just, that is exactly what I would want the
42:42
Speaker 1: mentality to be in a locker room. And I think
42:46
Speaker 1: in many, in many locker rooms, it's, we're missing that
42:51
Speaker 1: at every level, the, the ability to go out and
42:54
Speaker 1: focus and, you know, put the, uh, the, the, the
42:57
Speaker 1: foot on the throat, you know, and, and, uh, take
43:00
Speaker 1: them out and not look back. Um, Look forward to
43:04
Speaker 1: the next. Be the opponent no one wants to face.
43:07
Speaker 1: It's a lot of coasting, quite frankly. And there was
43:12
Speaker 1: no coasting from LSU. I like how Kiffin kind of
43:16
Speaker 1: lured them in and then just dropped the hammer on them.
43:21
Speaker 1: I don't like how his voice cracks and how he talks,
43:24
Speaker 1: but it got the message across. Let's do it that way.
43:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not a real authoritative type speaker. No. Just
43:32
Speaker 2: with his speech pattern and delivery. But I'm with you
43:36
Speaker 2: in what he was saying. I wouldn't be able to
43:39
Speaker 2: find a single fan that would have a problem with it.
43:41
Speaker 2: I guess someone who's a teetotaler when it comes to
43:43
Speaker 2: language wouldn't like all the language used by Lane Kiffin.
43:47
Speaker 2: But the power of what he's saying, and we're not satisfied.
43:52
Speaker 2: This is what we expect. We're not going to hear
43:53
Speaker 2: to celebrate this. We knew we were going to pound them,
43:56
Speaker 2: and that's what we're doing. And he says, the world
43:59
Speaker 2: hates you, so let's go tell the world to F
44:02
Speaker 2: themselves at one point in it. I liked it, Hutton.
44:07
Speaker 2: I think it was a good halftime speech for what
44:09
Speaker 2: situation they're in. But it goes back to the contradiction
44:13
Speaker 2: of Lane Kiffin. You're in this situation of being hated,
44:16
Speaker 2: not because of the players you're screaming at, because of you.
44:19
Speaker 2: And you're not some white knight in this story. I
44:23
Speaker 2: think Lane Kiffin, now he will play to it. and
44:26
Speaker 2: he'll say smart-ass little comments to sideline reporters, and he'll
44:30
Speaker 2: go at people in press conferences, and he'll kind of
44:33
Speaker 2: have this cutesy little sarcastic deal about everything he does.
44:37
Speaker 2: But also, I believe what John Talti, who wrote the
44:40
Speaker 2: book on him, literally, said to us yesterday. Lane thinks
44:44
Speaker 2: he's the hero. He wants to be a hero. He
44:47
Speaker 2: can embrace the villain for right now, but he's even said,
44:51
Speaker 2: a lot of times the villain will become the hero
44:53
Speaker 2: at some point. I think he believes what he's doing
44:56
Speaker 2: with these players is heroic for them. That someone had
45:00
Speaker 2: to do it, so I'm going to be the guy
45:01
Speaker 2: that's courageous enough to fight for these young men, to
45:05
Speaker 2: go to the NFL and come back to LSU. What
45:07
Speaker 2: he's not realizing is, yes, everybody does hate you, but
45:11
Speaker 2: they hate you. They don't hate the LSU players that
45:14
Speaker 2: were already on the roster. They hate you and what
45:17
Speaker 2: you stand for.
45:19
Speaker 1: See, the tone has shifted a bit because of ESPN
45:21
Speaker 1: and how they coddle him and how they treat him.
45:25
Speaker 1: The whole game day thing with McAfee, and not just McAfee, everybody,
45:31
Speaker 1: quite frankly, on that panel. And not even wanting to
45:35
Speaker 1: address the topic of it throughout the show. Applauding anytime
45:40
Speaker 1: someone said football, we can finally play football. I mean,
45:42
Speaker 1: of course, that's great. But no one has been talking
45:45
Speaker 1: about that. The story has been, and you're on the campus,
45:48
Speaker 1: the story has been pro players and the fact he
45:52
Speaker 1: didn't roster them literally eight hours earlier. So he's told
45:57
Speaker 1: that he's the conquering hero. He's certainly treated like that
46:00
Speaker 1: on campus. So he's in his bubble. He is the
46:05
Speaker 1: equivalent of John Wilkes Booth. He thinks he's going to
46:09
Speaker 1: do something and be the conquering hero and you're going
46:11
Speaker 1: to have the palm leaves laid out for you on
46:13
Speaker 1: the street. And instead, everybody's coming for your head. It's like, oh,
46:18
Speaker 1: not me. The only thing that.
46:21
Speaker 2: Was bad about the halftime speech is no one hates
46:23
Speaker 2: the team. It's just the coach.
46:28
Speaker 1: He drops the job and goes in a great year.
46:33
Speaker 1: A fantastic year by Ole Miss, a historic year. Bolts
46:37
Speaker 1: for LSU and then expects to still coach the team.
46:40
Speaker 1: And you've got Saban waving the flag for it. That
46:44
Speaker 1: is just– that's why he thinks he's the hero. He
46:48
Speaker 1: thinks he's Stone Cold Steve Austin. He's going to get
46:50
Speaker 1: on the turnbuckle and chug a beer. Get someone to
46:53
Speaker 1: throw it to him.
46:54
Speaker 2: No, you're right. He's not the heel in his own mind.
46:57
Speaker 2: And here's another thing I would say. We got picked
46:59
Speaker 2: up by awful announcing yesterday with what we were talking
47:01
Speaker 2: about on ESPN's treatment of Lane Kiffin. Go look at
47:06
Speaker 2: the comments to the clip that Brooks put out on
47:10
Speaker 2: our pages, on social media, of what I was saying
47:12
Speaker 2: about Lane Kiffin. Go look at the comments from LSU fans.
47:15
Speaker 2: If you want an example of how he's treated in
47:18
Speaker 2: that state and by his own fans, it's all, you
47:20
Speaker 2: guys are just haters. Oh my gosh, the jealousy of
47:23
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin and LSU is through the roof. It's a
47:26
Speaker 2: lot of non-substance to any argument against what we're saying.
47:32
Speaker 2: It's just, you guys are just haters. Or you guys
47:34
Speaker 2: are just jealous. Or who are these betas that are
47:37
Speaker 2: talking about the god that is Lane Kiffin? If you
47:39
Speaker 2: want to see an example of how he's treated and coddled,
47:43
Speaker 2: look at Libby Dunn. And the model from Baywatch and
47:46
Speaker 2: Theo Vaughn walking in side by side with him into
47:50
Speaker 2: that stadium. He is going to be treated like a
47:53
Speaker 2: god and given everything. He said he wanted the Maserati.
47:56
Speaker 2: He's got it. And now college football has to live
47:59
Speaker 2: in a world where Lane Kiffin has everything he wanted. Now,
48:03
Speaker 2: I would argue Lane Kiffin got everything he wanted at USC, too.
48:06
Speaker 2: And that was the job he wanted. And he was
48:08
Speaker 2: a guy from the West Coast, had a background at USC.
48:11
Speaker 2: It did not work out there for him. It's not 100%
48:14
Speaker 2: certain it's going to work out at LSU. But when
48:17
Speaker 2: you see that they're paying those players $ 50 million, that
48:20
Speaker 2: they have the richest roster among all college football programs,
48:25
Speaker 2: and they're trying to add three more from the NFL,
48:28
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be– we're pretty hard-pressed to
48:30
Speaker 2: find a way that doesn't work out for Lane Kiffin
48:32
Speaker 2: from a win-loss standpoint, especially after what we saw in
48:34
Speaker 2: that first game.
48:35
Speaker 1: And what we know is wherever he's been, that has
48:39
Speaker 1: been the response of the fan base until he bolts.
48:42
Speaker 1: and then couches are lit on fire, and people are
48:48
Speaker 1: storming the streets, trying to flip over police cars. They're
48:52
Speaker 1: so pissed off. The fan base will be treated like
48:57
Speaker 1: that at some point, too.
48:58
Speaker 2: That's just what he does. We're going to go to
49:00
Speaker 2: Oxford in two weeks, and we're going to be shoulder-to-shoulder
49:03
Speaker 2: with a lot of Ole Miss people and fans in
49:05
Speaker 2: Oxford that are going to be saying every bad thing
49:08
Speaker 2: humanly imaginable you could about Lane Kiffin. And Lane Kiffin's return.
49:12
Speaker 2: Those same fans were praising his every word. Exactly. His
49:15
Speaker 2: every tweet. Everything that he did while he was coach there.
49:18
Speaker 2: That's not a surprise to anyone that college football. That's
49:22
Speaker 2: how fans are blindly loyal to their team and their
49:25
Speaker 2: coach and whatever they do. I just watched that halftime
49:27
Speaker 2: speech and I'm like, this is awesome. This would fire
49:29
Speaker 2: me up if I'm an LSU fan. I totally get
49:31
Speaker 2: the message of what he's saying to his locker room.
49:34
Speaker 2: But we're also removing the context of No, dude, they
49:38
Speaker 2: don't hate the players, or they don't hate you. Remember
49:41
Speaker 2: in the Vince Young documentary when Jeff Fisher was saying,
49:44
Speaker 2: don't walk out on your team, Vince. Don't walk out
49:47
Speaker 2: on your team. And Lindell Wyatt was on camera. He's like, no,
49:50
Speaker 2: we're pretty clear on the fact he's walking out on you,
49:52
Speaker 2: not walking out on us. You can spin it however
49:54
Speaker 2: you want. I feel the same about Lane Kiffin. We
49:57
Speaker 2: hate you. That's what America is saying. They don't like
50:01
Speaker 2: how you're doing this, how you're stirring the pot, how
50:03
Speaker 2: you're creating an issue that should not exist. with NFL
50:07
Speaker 2: players that have signed contracts coming back to college football.
50:10
Speaker 2: You're the one doing it. Your own conference is saying
50:12
Speaker 2: you're the one doing it. They're not suing every player
50:15
Speaker 2: on LSU's team. They're suing you personally and your school
50:19
Speaker 2: for meddling in this issue. That's why America has turned
50:23
Speaker 2: against you. Now, you can take that, funnel that energy,
50:28
Speaker 2: throw it to your team and say, yeah, let's make
50:30
Speaker 2: something good out of this and positive the way you
50:32
Speaker 2: did at that halftime speech. I'm fine with that. That's great.
50:34
Speaker 2: That's what a coach should do. But let's not get
50:36
Speaker 2: it twisted. Everybody hates you, not your team.
50:40
Speaker 1: And then the flip side is, except for media, other
50:45
Speaker 1: than Paul Feinbaum on SEC Network, which is, I mean,
50:50
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've seen someone go at
50:52
Speaker 1: a coach on SEC Network. If you haven't seen his
50:56
Speaker 1: take on it, certainly do. It's fantastic. And Kiffin was
51:02
Speaker 1: asked about it at the presser. Here's Kiffin's response.
51:06
Speaker 2: I like Paul. I really do.
51:08
Speaker 4: And he knows that he said something one time to
51:10
Speaker 4: me about like, or he said something about me being
51:14
Speaker 4: like the exit text and you respond back or something.
51:17
Speaker 2: I don't think of Paul like that. They have a
51:19
Speaker 2: job to do. And I understand.
51:21
Speaker 4: Those things used to make me mad and upset. And
51:24
Speaker 4: then I realized, okay, they have a job to do,
51:25
Speaker 4: especially when two people go on a show. Usually they've
51:27
Speaker 4: got to take opposite sides. And it's just Paul's sick.
51:30
Speaker 4: And really, if you study over time, if Paul's on you,
51:35
Speaker 4: you probably have been doing really well or you're about
51:37
Speaker 4: to do really well. I always remember, Paul, every other
51:40
Speaker 4: year at Alabama, it was Saban's done, the dynasty's over,
51:44
Speaker 4: he can't coach, he can't keep up anymore with tempo offense.
51:48
Speaker 4: Paul would kill him every other year and then he'd
51:50
Speaker 4: go in a national championship. When Paul does it, I
51:54
Speaker 4: like it because it usually means something good's about to happen.
51:58
Speaker 2: He is the definition of rat poison. He sent me today.
52:03
Speaker 4: His own thing where he said about, you know, we're
52:05
Speaker 4: the hottest place to go and, you know, every recruit
52:08
Speaker 4: should want to come here and everything. And so I
52:09
Speaker 4: responded back to him, like, thanks for the rat poison,
52:12
Speaker 4: you know, because that's what your players read. And then
52:14
Speaker 4: all of a sudden they think, okay, we've, we've, we've arrived.
52:19
Speaker 1: I mean, he just flipped it on everything. Everyone's just
52:22
Speaker 1: going to go with that.
52:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
52:23
Speaker 1: Oh, we've arrived and everything's good. NFL players aren't playing.
52:26
Speaker 1: So everything's good here. It's, it's one guy doing it. And,
52:30
Speaker 1: and it's also Chad, Jimmy Sexton involved with all this,
52:34
Speaker 1: you know, all the ties to the agencies.
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Speaker 2: And did he say that he sent me video of
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Speaker 2: him talking about how we're the hot place?
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Speaker 1: He said, he said, my mom sent him that, I
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Speaker 1: guess after he had his rant, which again is just, that's,
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Speaker 1: that's like everybody he's gone from the villain to the
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Speaker 1: concrete hero after beating dabble's ass.
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Speaker 2: I just, uh, I remember you, you've shared the clip before,
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Speaker 2: but the wrestling fan kid who said, it's real to me.
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Speaker 2: It's real to me, David. Thank you for sacrificing your bodies.
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Speaker 2: I hear that. I'm like, man, I like what Paul
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Speaker 2: Feinbaum had to say. That was pretty strong for an
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Speaker 2: SEC Network person. Then I hear that he's texting Lane
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Speaker 2: Kiffin videos of him talking about how great LSU is.
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Speaker 2: Now it's the hot place to go. And I'm thinking,
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Speaker 2: can any of this be real? I mean, they're just
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Speaker 2: sitting there text buddies after Feinbaum completely eviscerates them on television,
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Speaker 2: on the SEC's own network. I want it to be real, Hutton.
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Speaker 2: It's real to me, okay? It's all very real to
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Speaker 2: me when I watch it. But, yeah, look, I give
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Speaker 2: Paul Feinbaum credit for being honest with his opinion. I
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Speaker 2: think he's also carrying some water for the SEC and
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Speaker 2: their anger. towards Lane Kiffin in this. That's a good point.
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Speaker 2: So I think he's probably been granted freedom to go
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Speaker 2: ahead and do that because, again, last I checked, the
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Speaker 2: SEC sued Lane Kiffin and LSU.
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Speaker 1: Coming up, a great response by Aaron Carter and a
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Speaker 1: donation that he's going to be giving throughout the season.
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Speaker 1: And Arch Manning, let's discuss the magnitude of this game
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Speaker 1: for his college career as Texas takes on Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: That's next. Harold had to withdraw.