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  Speaker 1: It's the reform. It It is time that this alban
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  Speaker 1: Ezy government cut the spin with his fuel crisis and
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  Speaker 1: tried honesty like preparing for if and when maybe Australia's
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: fuel really does dry up, because this war now looks
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: like lasting longer than predicted and could hit us harder.
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  Speaker 1: Right now. The government keeps telling us, don't panic. We
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: actually have more fuel now than we did a month ago,
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  Speaker 1: but no one believes it. If there is so much fuel,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: they say, why are there are more than five hundred
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  Speaker 1: service stations today out of some kind of petrol or
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  Speaker 1: diesel your last thy promise or anything. Alban Ezi told
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  Speaker 1: us he hadn't even talked about fuel rationing at the
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  Speaker 1: national cabinet with premiers yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Did you discuss rationing in national Cabinetn't know, it was
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  Speaker 2: not mentioned. No, what we're talking about is measures they
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  Speaker 2: aren't mandating.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that strikes me as a bit curious when you
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  Speaker 1: get financial services join JP Morgan last Thursday releasing this
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  Speaker 1: map showing how soon various parts of the world would
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  Speaker 1: be hit by around stopping moost oil tankers from leaving
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  Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf. It says most deliveries to Australia will
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  Speaker 1: stop by April twenty given sailing time for the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: although would actually have a bit longer than that because
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  Speaker 1: they all would actually first go or most of it
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  Speaker 1: to the refineries in Asia, which then will supply us
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  Speaker 1: with most of our fuel. But April twenty that's just
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  Speaker 1: you know, three weeks away less than Benjim. Mister Cris
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  Speaker 1: Bowman was asked about exactly this in Parliament today and
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  Speaker 1: gave an unconvincing answer.
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  Speaker 3: How many oil tankers have left the Middle East for
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  Speaker 3: refineries in Asia since the twenty eighth of February.
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  Speaker 4: There are currently more than fifty three ships on their
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  Speaker 4: way to Australia from refiners around the world, Asia, the
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  Speaker 4: United States, United States, Mexico other places. And I can
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  Speaker 4: confirm three point seven billion leaders are contracted legally to
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  Speaker 4: arrive at Australia over April. And now, as we've been
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  Speaker 4: very clear, there are risks in the supply chain, because
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  Speaker 4: it is true Asia gets the majority of its oil
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  Speaker 4: from the Middle East through the states of Homers.
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  Speaker 1: They just said to be thirty to forty tankers that
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  Speaker 1: had left the Persian Gulf since the start of the war,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't specify with it was Asia,
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  Speaker 1: and it's only a fraction, but it's not anyway, There's
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  Speaker 1: not many. So we're good for the next three weeks
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  Speaker 1: or so, for all of April, probably maybe even a
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  Speaker 1: bit into May. But this war does now look like
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  Speaker 1: going on for at least another three weeks, probably more. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: runs regime does collapse or surrender. Who can predict that?
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  Speaker 1: About five fifty thousand US soldiers and our gather really
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  Speaker 1: need your own sport. It's ahead of a likely land offensive.
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  Speaker 1: Both the US Sigur State and Israel's Prime minister both
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  Speaker 1: say there is more fighting to come weeks probably.
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  Speaker 5: We have very clear objectives that we're trying to achieve here.
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  Speaker 5: Those objectives are the destruction of their air force, which
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  Speaker 5: has been achieved, the destruction of their navy, which has
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  Speaker 5: largely been achieved, a significant reduction in the number of
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  Speaker 5: missile launchers that they have, which were well on our
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  Speaker 5: way to achieving. We will achieve those objectives. We are
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  Speaker 5: well on our way or ahead of schedule. We will
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  Speaker 5: achieve them in weeks, not months, and then we'll be
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  Speaker 5: confronted with this issue of the Straits of hormones, and
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  Speaker 5: it'll be up to Iran to decide, and if they
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  Speaker 5: choose to try to block the straits, then they will
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  Speaker 5: have to face real consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely beyond the halfway point.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't want to put a schedule, but the
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  Speaker 6: way in terms of missions, not necessarily in terms of time.
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  Speaker 1: So weekspore even before the straits of moves cleared. Like
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  Speaker 1: I say, maybe around will give up before them, although
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  Speaker 1: it's just setting another tanker a light in q Wait.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, and it has also led through
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  Speaker 1: ships from allies like China and Pakistan, and Sadi Arabia
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  Speaker 1: is switching a lot of its own oil exports by
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  Speaker 1: a backup pipeline to Yamber were put on the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sea on the other side of the Plincera away from Iran,
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  Speaker 1: so you know some oil is actually coming through from
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  Speaker 1: that region. Even so, it is unclear how long this
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  Speaker 1: wall will run. But we can't keep gambling with what's
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  Speaker 1: left of our fuel. That'll all be over soon, and
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  Speaker 1: certainly not with China and South Korea, which supply half
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  Speaker 1: our jet fuel. For instance, they're considering stopping their fuel
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  Speaker 1: exports to use themselves again. May never happen. But we
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  Speaker 1: cannot be so complacent that we do not prepare for
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  Speaker 1: the worst. So if we haven't prepared, the consequences will
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  Speaker 1: be shocking. And that complacency, by the way, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she'll be right. That's exactly what got us into this mess.
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  Speaker 1: Our politicians lazily assumed that we wouldn't need fossil fuels
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  Speaker 1: much longer. Now we don't have enough oil. They lazily
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  Speaker 1: assumed we wouldn't need our own refineries. Now our shipping
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  Speaker 1: lanes are exposed and we don't refine most of our
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  Speaker 1: own petrol. Now you may say that this chaos or
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  Speaker 1: proves that this war with Iran was stupid, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: worth it, but that ignores the fact, of course, that
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  Speaker 1: it was almost certainly a case of fight around now
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  Speaker 1: or wait until it was much stronger. Iran was building
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  Speaker 1: missiles faster than the US and Israel could build anti
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  Speaker 1: missile defenses. It was also building missile fortresses all over Iran,
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  Speaker 1: fortresses that could also one day protect its nuclear missiles
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  Speaker 1: build up to half a kilometer deep, far beyond the
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  Speaker 1: reach of any American bomb. Iran has boasted how impregnable
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  Speaker 1: these missile cities are with conveyors who transport the missiles
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  Speaker 1: for quick firing, and drones as well. So how much
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  Speaker 1: stronger would I Run have been another decade with China's
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  Speaker 1: help if it was now? Of course, America can destroy
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  Speaker 1: some of these missile storages with bunker busting bombs, some
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  Speaker 1: of the shallower ones, as it seems to have done
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  Speaker 1: to a military site last night in Isfahan, Central I Run.
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  Speaker 1: To judge from the massive fireworks after the hit, Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump posted this footage. But other missile cities are very
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  Speaker 1: just too deep, and so it's possible invasion. It's not
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  Speaker 1: just so clear the straits of all moors, but to
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  Speaker 1: destroy so missile sites and perhaps finally removed the enriched
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  Speaker 1: uranium that around boasted of to Trump's special envoice the
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  Speaker 1: vitkof days before the war. Throughout our meetings with the Iranians,
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  Speaker 1: we heard the following from them, the Iranians have the
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  Speaker 1: inalienable right to enrich. Then we heard they possessed enough
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  Speaker 1: sixty percent enriched material four hundred and sixty kilograms to
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  Speaker 1: make eleven atomic bombs. That's why our government's easy slandering
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  Speaker 1: of the US war effort. It's a lazy refusal to
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  Speaker 1: help it's airy demands for de escalation is unforgivable, Like
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  Speaker 1: this from the Prime Minister last night, I want.
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  Speaker 2: To see an end or a de de escalation to
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  Speaker 2: the conflict there.
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  Speaker 1: And this from Foreign Mincipenny Wong today.
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  Speaker 7: We've made our view clear. What we do, what we
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  Speaker 7: want to see is ultimately de escalation.
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  Speaker 1: Escalate, de escalate. What do Alban Ezier Woe even mean
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  Speaker 1: by de escalate? Like should the US UNI laterally just
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  Speaker 1: stop now with Iran still with that nuclear materials, still
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  Speaker 1: with its missile city, still firing at tankers in the Gulf,
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  Speaker 1: they should tell us? And again the dishonest attack of
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  Speaker 1: trump supposed war aims, again suggesting silly Trump was often
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  Speaker 1: some doomed crusade for regime change.
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  Speaker 2: The third was regime change.
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  Speaker 7: And I said this from the very first that we
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  Speaker 7: had we didn't see the prospect of successful regime change
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  Speaker 7: being impartised externally.
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  Speaker 1: And as I showed last night, Trump never promised regime
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  Speaker 1: change from day one of this war. He said this
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  Speaker 1: was about destroying Around's military power and a bit of
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  Speaker 1: the finance terrorist armies. He told Iranians regime change was
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  Speaker 1: for them to make.
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  Speaker 8: When we are finished take over your government, it will
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  Speaker 8: be yours to take. This will be probably your only
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  Speaker 8: chance for generations. So let's see how you respond.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Trump right now is dealing with survivors of
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  Speaker 1: that regime, surviving leaders about a possible peace deal with
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  Speaker 1: Mohammed ba Galibuff, the speaker of the Iranian parliament. So
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  Speaker 1: what are Albaniezi one even talking about? Oh, we can't
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  Speaker 1: do regime change. They're just copying. They are pretending this
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  Speaker 1: war is nothing to do with Australia reserving their right
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  Speaker 1: to let the US and Israel do the fighting for
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  Speaker 1: the West while they watch on from the stands, claiming
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  Speaker 1: to be smarter and more moral. It's like Kipling once
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  Speaker 1: wrote of their kind, it's making mock of uniforms that
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  Speaker 1: guard you while you sleep. Now I've been critical of
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  Speaker 1: new opposition leader Angus Taylor, but today I thought he
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  Speaker 1: sounded like a real leader.
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  Speaker 9: What we all want to see is the strait of
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  Speaker 9: him has opened up, and Anthony Albanezi, we should be workers,
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  Speaker 9: working with leaders across the world to do everything we
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  Speaker 9: can to support that happening.
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  Speaker 1: There is right, What are we doing to open the
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  Speaker 1: straight up ms to get that petrol flowing through that
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  Speaker 1: narrowest part of the Persian Gulf and said here we are.
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  Speaker 1: We just sit and wait. So what's going to last longer?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the war or our fuel? And why
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  Speaker 1: isn't the government doing much about either? True? A lot
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  Speaker 1: of Australians are angry that Donald Trump caused all this
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  Speaker 1: pain by going to war. Politicians are now starting to
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  Speaker 1: play the populace card here. It seems, you know, our
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  Speaker 1: petrol chief, petrol is more important than whatever the US
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  Speaker 1: and Israel st trying to achieve over there. But is it?
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  Speaker 1: I was shawn a short while ago by Clifford May,
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  Speaker 1: head of an influential American think tank, Foundation for Defensive Democracies,
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  Speaker 1: of course that I once thought had more defenders than
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  Speaker 1: it has today. Clifford May, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: your time. President Trump said he was disappointed with the
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  Speaker 1: lack of support from allies like Britain and Australia. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: our Prime Minister call for a de escalation in this war,
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  Speaker 1: without saying, of course, if that meant Iran could keep
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  Speaker 1: blocking straight up from Mooz. Plus, he falsely claimed again
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump was after a regime change. What big
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  Speaker 1: picture do you think America's allies are missing.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I know some of them are disgruntled of Greenland
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  Speaker 6: and what the President had to say about that, and
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  Speaker 6: they're angry with them, but they should understand that the
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  Speaker 6: Strait of Hormus and the conflict with Iran involves them
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  Speaker 6: as much as it does the US in many many ways,
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  Speaker 6: the US with Israel as a partner and perhaps very
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  Speaker 6: soon with the Amaradis and the Satis as partners, because
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  Speaker 6: they support this conflict against this threatening regime. This is
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  Speaker 6: an important choke point for energy, Probably the most strategic,
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  Speaker 6: important choke point for energies in the world is the
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  Speaker 6: Strait of Hormus. And you have a regime that, let's understand,
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  Speaker 6: for forty seven years, has vowed death to America and
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  Speaker 6: death to Israel, and has attempted to achieve the means
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  Speaker 6: to get to those ends weapons of mass destruction, by
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  Speaker 6: which I mean nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles that can
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  Speaker 6: deliver them anywhere, plenty of other missiles. De Escalation is
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  Speaker 6: kind of a meaningless phrase. We should to escalate and
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  Speaker 6: in what sense? I don't think so. They should support
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  Speaker 6: the US and its efforts, and this is an important
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  Speaker 6: conflict against an adversary who, we remind the Australians is
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  Speaker 6: very much an ally of the Communist Party in Beijing.
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  Speaker 6: I'd remind the Europeans Tehran is very much an ally
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  Speaker 6: of Vladimir Putin in Moscow. So this is a conflict
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  Speaker 6: that should be in the interest of the US and
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  Speaker 6: all friends of the US and all those who understand
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  Speaker 6: who our adversaries are in the pre world.
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  Speaker 1: And I also hear the criticisms here from the media
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  Speaker 1: left that this was a war of choice. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that people understand quite how America and Israel were
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  Speaker 1: in a race against the clock, given that Iran was
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  Speaker 1: building more missiles than America and Israel could produce anti
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  Speaker 1: missile defenses, were going to get overwhelmed. What's your rate
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  Speaker 1: of all that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, I would argue that a war of
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  Speaker 6: choice is always preferable to the alternative, which is a
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  Speaker 6: war of necessity, because an a war of necessity, your
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  Speaker 6: back is to the wall. After the Twelve Day War
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  Speaker 6: last year last June, I think President Trump thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 6: they took a wallopping. Now they're going to want to
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  Speaker 6: make a deal with US.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't.
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  Speaker 6: What they wanted to do instead, and began to do instead,
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  Speaker 6: was to not just replace the missiles and drones they
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  Speaker 6: had lost, but build many, many more, thousands more at
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: as fast a rate as they could. And they began
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  Speaker 6: digging under another mountain called Pickaxe Mountain much more deeply.
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  Speaker 6: Why because they wanted to have a nuclear weapons facility
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  Speaker 6: so deep under a mountain that even American B two
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  Speaker 6: bombers and massive ordinance penetrators the mops couldn't reach it.
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  Speaker 6: So if you didn't do this now, what would How
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  Speaker 6: long would you wait? Another two years? Another five years?
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  Speaker 6: Would that be easier?
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  Speaker 1: And better?
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  Speaker 6: Know? If this is a war of choice, and I
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  Speaker 6: think that this was a good choice, what better time
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  Speaker 6: to do this. What the President is trying to do,
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  Speaker 6: at the very least, I would say, is file down
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  Speaker 6: the fangs and the clause of this regime. If he
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  Speaker 6: can remove them entirely, that would be great. If the
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  Speaker 6: regime collapses and gets replaced with decent governance, that would
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  Speaker 6: be even better. But at the very least, he wants
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  Speaker 6: to stop this regime from getting more powerful, more threatening
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  Speaker 6: to America to its neighbors. And we see what it's
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  Speaker 6: and we see how many of its neighbors it is attacked,
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  Speaker 6: including neighbors who tried very hard to stay out of
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  Speaker 6: this conflict.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, I wonder whether they should have declared themselves
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  Speaker 1: for it, But anyway, that's another issue.
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  Speaker 6: Some are doing so. But you know the amoradis very
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  Speaker 6: much have they mention? And I think the Saudis are
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  Speaker 6: pretty have at least signaled that and maybe more. But
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: you're right they should be I would say, deploying their
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: saying to the US, what do you want us to hit?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 6: What can we do? Have a small but very effective military.
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  Speaker 6: The Saudis have bought trillions of dollars in military equipment.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, perhaps I could use them. The biggest criticism,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps is that the President did not expect the Round
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  Speaker 1: to block the strata for MOOS and caause worldwide fuel
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  Speaker 1: crisis is hurting is here as well. Even the President
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  Speaker 1: suggested that it was surprised by how quickly or the
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  Speaker 1: extent of the block. Eyde, Was this in fact that
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  Speaker 1: a strategic mistake? Was it a mistike that says, well,
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  Speaker 1: in that case they were wrong together a war?
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  Speaker 6: I don't think so, because I think the Pentagon has
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  Speaker 6: I know this has had contingency plans for years. Where
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: the Pentagon may have aired is they may not have
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  Speaker 6: realized the extent to which this regime had built up drones.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Pentagon looked at drones as those are
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  Speaker 6: kind of toys for kiddie wars, not for our wars,
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  Speaker 6: and that turns out not to be the case. It
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  Speaker 6: is the Ukrainians who are have the highest level of
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  Speaker 6: expertise and technology when it comes to drone warfare and
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  Speaker 6: counter drone warfare. And interestingly enough, this certainly surprised me.
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  Speaker 6: The Ukrainian government, Beloia Maszelenski has said something like over
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  Speaker 6: two hundred of his experts down to the Gulf to
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  Speaker 6: provide help and guidance to the various nations there on
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  Speaker 6: how to counter drones. I didn't think he would have
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  Speaker 6: that kind of bandwidth, but he does. And I've talked
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  Speaker 6: to Ukrainian drone experts and they say, oh, we have
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  Speaker 6: a lot of engineers and a lot of people know
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  Speaker 6: what they're doing, and we can sell, we can help,
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  Speaker 6: we can do all of this, and we're very glad
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  Speaker 6: to do so for friends of America and friends of
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  Speaker 6: the free world, because we want to be included in
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  Speaker 6: that club.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. In fact, Zelenski was in the Golf a few
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  Speaker 1: days ago making deals with a couple of the Gulf states.
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  Speaker 1: And indeed they now produce more drones than they even
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  Speaker 1: need for their own defense. It's just one of the
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  Speaker 1: most extraordinary stories of the of the war in Ukraine. Now,
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  Speaker 1: how and when do you think this war is going
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  Speaker 1: to end? And will it have been worth it?
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  Speaker 6: Look, you can never tell for sure. Remember what Churchill
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: used to say when people asked and when world warked,
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  Speaker 6: how long World War two? How long we were in
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: World War In World War two? He said, we're in
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  Speaker 6: it for the duration. I would say, however, educated guests,
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  Speaker 6: talking to the people I talked to, we're about halfway
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  Speaker 6: through four weeks. Probably need eight weeks. We probably hit
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  Speaker 6: more than ten thousand targets. It's probably another three thousand targets.
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  Speaker 6: The Israelis have hit almost all of their military targets.
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  Speaker 6: They are now moving on to economic targets, even in
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  Speaker 6: mind that both the US and the Israelis have been
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  Speaker 6: trying not to hit targets that would make increase the
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  Speaker 6: suffering of the general population of Iran. They want to
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  Speaker 6: only hit the regime, the rump of the regime. We
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  Speaker 6: don't really know exactly who's in charge. If they are
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  Speaker 6: truly faithful to the Colemanest ideology or theology, they would
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  Speaker 6: rather die than give up. But perhaps enough of them
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: get killed, and the charletons rise to the surface, and
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  Speaker 6: they will be more than eager to make deals to
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  Speaker 6: save their lives and probably their fortunes and offshore bank accounts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the one they're talking to is the speaker of
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  Speaker 1: the Iranian Parliament is corrupt enough to suggest that it
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  Speaker 1: really is interested more in himself than in dying for
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  Speaker 1: the cause. But Clifford, may thank you so much in
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  Speaker 1: d for your time, my pleasure to be with you
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  Speaker 1: after the break. The me Too movement has another victim,
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  Speaker 1: believed it? Believe all women? One of the most disastrous
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  Speaker 1: messages from the me too movement that went viral nine
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  Speaker 1: years ago with the rape case of star Hollywood producer
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. So many victims of that mantra since in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: They include Craig McLaughlin, the rocky horror picture show star
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  Speaker 1: whose career was destroyed by what seemed to me dubious
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  Speaker 1: allegations of sexual touching of women on the show, even
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  Speaker 1: though it was eventually found not guilty by a magistrate
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: who still speared him. I'd urge you, by the way,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to listen to the brilliant new podcast hosted by McLachlan's wife.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: It's called Not Guilty The Lachlan Case, and you'll be
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: stunned by the injustics. Now add another astonishing local case.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Thomas Zaja, a canber earthworks contractor, was arrested in his
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: bed by armed police at three am. Says he had
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: two of his ribs broken, was made to stand in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the street for an hour in his underwear before being
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: locked up for two weeks, charged with various matters, including
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: assaulting and threatening to kill his ex girlfriend during what
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: his lawyers say was accustod as speed over his son. Now,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: as Australian Today reports, those charges last year were thrown
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: out of court two weeks ago, with the magistrate's slamming
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: police and the prosecutor to a series of incredible failures
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to actually test the girlfriends. The ex girlfriend's false claims. No,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: sergeant wasn't a Viking. No, he hadn't sent his texts
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: threatening her. The X had in fact written it herself
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and sent it to herself, but investigators didn't check that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: or was his own phone for months, despite being told
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: again and again by the man's solicitors that the claims
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: against him were lies. Join me as Chris Merrit, Vice
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: President of the Rule of Law Institute of Australia. Chris,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: great to see you again. Look, honestly, people should read this.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's in the Australia Online. Go have a look. Extraordinary story.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: What does this case tell you?
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: Instead of believing the woman in all cases, it might
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: be wise for the authorities to revert to traditional practice
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: and believe the evidence. That's Had they done that right
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: at the very beginning, there would have been a lot
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: of pain avoided. As it stands now, I think it's
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: almost inevitable that mister Zaja is up for a very
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: very big settlement from the Act or the AFP. In
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: the Act, it's a lay down mesre case of false imprisonment, negligence,
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: you name it. They didn't discharge their duty. But more
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: than that, I think i'll be very very surprised now
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: if there is not a criminal prosecution for attempting to
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: pervert the course of justice. There was intent, there was malice,
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: there was physical and financial harm. I can't see how
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: the DPP of the Australian Capital Territory can just avoid this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: It will definitely mean bringing the conduct of the police
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: force again into the public spotlight. This case has by
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: its nature that by attempting to have this fellow prosecuted
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: at least jiled, it has brought the integrity of the
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: policing system in the act. It's raised a question about
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: it that needs to can't go unpunished.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Don't forget that Camber also gave us to Britney Higgins case,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: where she made false allegations that were thoroughly believed in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: probable day were that she'd been cast aside by her
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: bosses in the Liberal Party, etc. Etc. And now believe
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: all women. I first realized, Chris, that this had been
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: actually drummed into the police a fear of not believing women,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: A fear really when I covered the false right claims
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: against then Victorian Labor Minister Theo Theophoris. This actually goes
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: back beyond the Harvey Weinstein case. So stunned then that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the lead detective took at least fifteen drafts to not
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the disturbed the accuser's statement into shape, removing obviously in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: becausistencies such as full states, it should have said, wait
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a minute, is she telling us the true story? And
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: explaining himself he actually told the court quote it's incumbent
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: on us to believe what complainants tell us. Should it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: be No, it shouldn't.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's fundamental to the presumption of innocence that
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: you're innocent until the court proves otherwise, and that applies
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: to the police as well. Now, the worst possible example
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: I've ever seen of this is the way Cardinal, the
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: late Cardinal George Pell was I wouldn't say railroaded, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: convicted in a procedure in Victoria that actually actively denied
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: the jury in that case relevant evidence. This is sometimes
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: forgotten that that case depended entirely on the ability of
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: a witness of a complainant. What the jury was not
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: told was that the complainant in that case had undergone
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: a psychological treatment, and in the absence of the jury,
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: Pell's defense lawyers tried and failed to persuade the court
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: to allow that evidence, the fact that the complainant had
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: undergone psychological treatment to be brought before the attention of
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: the jury, and they failed, so the jury was flying blind.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: The bottom line was, it's dangerous to simply convict people
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: and send them to prison purely on allegations by a complainant.
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: It can happen, but the reality is it's far safer
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: to rely on evidence.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Honestly that accused her. In the Pell case's evidence, if
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the police had simply walked as I did, where the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: accuser walked, he was part of a quiet are going
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: back to their rooms, and they would have found that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the accuser. Neither the accuser nor Pell could have been
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in the room where the alleged rate happened at the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: time only time when it could have happened, like before,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it was filled with people who are clearing up and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this and that and this and that. It was just
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so obviously easily disproved, and yet he served more than
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: four hundred days in jail. Chris Barrett, thank you so much,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: indeed for your time. It's just extraordinary. Keeps happening, keeps happening.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We've got to get out of this after they break
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The Treasurer just said, it's say you money when you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: pay by credit card as he really more after this
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: say I also don't you know I never bring you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: good news. Good news. Amazing scenes Liberals just saved Australians
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: six hundred million dollars overnight. Incredible. Well this story starts
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: yesterday when how does your government? Minister Don Farrell said
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in parliament he wanted forty more politicians in a bigger parliament.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Increasing the size of parliament is what great labor leaders do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That's actually the press club. But Opposition leader and the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: State of Today said Australians don't need more politicians. The
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: problems we have won't be fixed by more politicians. By
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the way, we cannot afford the six hundred million dollars
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this would cost, which led the Prime Minister today to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: kill the idea in parliament.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: Will the Prime Minister rule out expanding the size of
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: the Parliament?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I am satisfied with the current number of seats in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the House of Representatives.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's one hundred and fifty.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That's one hundred and fifty with twelve senators from each state.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Wonder what spark that change your mind? Joining me is
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the panel. Mea Schliff, the brand new executive director of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the Samuel Griffith Society, which was created among well one
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of the two was my late great friend John Stone,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: with the help of the equally late great Ray Evans
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: plus Michael Danby, former Federal Labor politician achievement of the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Joint Standing Committee of Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade. Mia. Congratulations,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you have big shoes to fill. What are you hoping
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to achieve in this new job. By the way, before
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: we get on to the topic du jure, well.
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: Thank you, Andrew. I'm so honored to take on this
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: new role, particularly now when the work of the Samuel
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: Griffith Society is more important as ever. It is my
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: job in this new role to defend the great virtues
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: of the Constitution, and those are virtues that the Australian
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: public has reaffirmed their commitment to, particularly during the Voice
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: to Parliament referendum, when they show that they cared about
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: things like equality before the law, They cared about things
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: like the rule of law. And it is an ongoing
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: task to make sure that our political institutions and our
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: legal institutions remain committed to those principles as well, so
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: over the next few years we will make sure to
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: defend things like freedom of speech, to defend against the
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: rise of judicial activism, and to defend.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: The rule of law.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, if you've got a big job here to you
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the way the institutions are going. But Michael Danby, as
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: a former Labor man, can you will know how all
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: these things work? How did Labor go from saying we
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: need forty more federal politicians yesterday to absolutely no way
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Jose today.
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: Oil crisis, Australians under incredible economic pressure and somewhat revived
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: Liberal Party Albert didn't want to give them the slightest
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: in road and having more federal politicians as simply a
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: bridge too far for the public. Reform that we should
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: do which will never be done, and that is we
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: should cut down the number of senators from Tasmania. It's
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: absolutely ridiculous that there are total election You can basically
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: have your family pre select you and you'll get.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Up absolutely well me, I mean we're talking right here
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: in your wheelhouse constitutional stuff. Forty more politicians? Is that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: really the answer to the prayers? I mean, I'm just
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: standing making the argument that were new technology now you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: can as a politician engage with more people more quickly,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, social media, all that kind of stuff. Do
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: we need it for this rapidly expanding population.
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: Well, look, I'm not sure our country can quite afford
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: it at the moment, but I will definitely agree that
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: the current representation in Parliament isn't doing a very good job.
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: And I think there are many Australians out there who
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: don't feel that their current are representative speaks on their
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: needs at all. Now, whether increasing the number of politicians
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: is a solution to that problem, I'm not quite sure,
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: And you're quite right. With the rise of technology, it
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: should be easier are for our representatives to connect with
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: the constituents, but that currently is not occurring. I think
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: there are far too many particular, particularly labor ministers in
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: there at the moment, who are representing personal interests rather
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: than what is for the good of the country.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Well, factional interests, the pre selection interests, so many different interests.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Israel's new ambassador, Michael I know you'll have paid attention
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to this. He was at the National Press Club today.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you he was treated almost like
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: it was a spokesman of a genocidal regime. Here are
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: just the two of the hostile questions.
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: Do you worry that the perception of excesses in Israel's
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: attacks in Gaza, the tens of thousands of women and
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: children who've been killed, allegations of war crimes have damaged
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: Israel's reputation and taken the Middle East further away from
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: peace rather than closer to it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I want to take this opportunity as well to pay
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: tribute to the journalists now workers who have been killed
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: doing their job internationally. Israel defense sources have told SBS
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: that the investigation into the Israeli drone strike that killed
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Zombie Frankim in Gaza has been shelved and that there
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: will be no prosecutions after two years. Her grieving family
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: are pleading for justice. So what is the status of
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the Military Advocate general investigation into the death of Zombi Frankaim?
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Will the Israeli Defense Force release the audio of the
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: drone strike so the evidence is transparent? Will anyone be prosecuted?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Or was this one of those tragic mistakes in your view?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Did you like that curled lip at the end? I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: goly gosh. In fact, the ambassador saidy as far As
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: he knows it wasn't shelved, and journalists also grilled him
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: about Michael about Israel supposedly murdering a journalists after three
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: more were killed than eleven, and in fact word for
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: a media link to Iran and to the hebel A
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: terrorist group. One at a long record at hesbel A
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Terris official and one was and was buried in a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: copper with a Hesbela flag in a cemetery with lots
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of HeLa flags as well. I mean your response to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: what you just saw.
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: As a wrestling commentator, Jack Little used to say, a
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: picture tells a thousand words. Buried in Hesbela flags. This
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: guy was a member of the Rudwan force, the elite
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: part of Heswelah that he's pictured in his uniform. If
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: these people would just look on the internet, and he's
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: an intelligence officer of that organization. So that Israeli's talking about.
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: Almanar is banned in Australia, It's declared a terrorist organization
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: in many parts of the world. Now, none of them
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: discussed gid On Tsar's incredible comment today the Foreign Minister
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: that Hesbela has shot five thousand missiles into Israel since
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: they commenced this war and started attacking Israel. There's no
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: human insight from either of these two journalists into people
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: carrying babies into stairs wells from maternity wards or young
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: sixteen year olds I saw carrying their grandmother down four
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: flights of stairs to the bomb shoulder. This has been
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: going on for three weeks, millions of people every day,
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: No insight from these journalists, no insight from the people the.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: National Press Club.
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: And worse, we have Sky UK and Australian ABC just
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: megaphoning the Hesbala claims in Lebanon.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you talking about Alex Crawford the Sky News
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: UK corresponding no relation to our Sky News standing at
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that very gravesite and somehow not noticing all these Hesbelod
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: flags while doing a very pro the journalist's piece to camera.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: But Mia, you know, it is curious, isn't it. Why
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: is it this overwhelming journalistic push, you know, set against Israel,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: more aggressive to them than I've heard them be to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, Iranian official or whatever.
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: Well, it's pretty interesting, and there certainly is a pattern
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: that has been very uh that has been revealed for
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: a long time amongst his journalists. Look, it's pretty It's
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: fair enough for journalists to ask tough questions. That's their job.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: I like to see them doing that. But when those
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: tough questions are only pointed in a certain direction, then
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: the narrative that they're trying to create is pretty clear.
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: And it's why the media institutions at the moment have
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: been accused of being a left wing echo chamber, effectively,
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: because I think people are tired of this. And that's
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: exactly why trust in the media is just so low
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: Amongst Australians, because they are over this incredibly biased are
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: presenting from our media institutions.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Look, it just gives me the pip. I think it's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: also because, you know, identity politics has played a role
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: leftism in you know, institutional leftvism. Leftism because you've got
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Jews being too white, even though many aren't too successful,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: too rich. They must have got that money from oppressing someone.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And let's go and look at the poor people over here,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: they must be the victims. I think that's why it happens. Michael.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: By the way, why is there virtually no coverage, no
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: protests about these anti Christian pogroms in Syria? Now run
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: by a former al Qaeda guy last year. Hundreds of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Christians massacred last week just before Palm Sunday. Armed men
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and motorbikes from a nearby Sunni Muslim town storming a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: largely Christian town are smashing up shops and people. How
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: come you don't hear about it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: Julani is much loved by the ruler of Syria. The
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: Alkaeda guy a Lustra guy much loved by the Donald
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: for some reason, and even people are sympathetic to Trump.
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: Politics don't report it, but it is outrageous on Palm
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: Sunday for Christians to be attacked in one of the
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: country that is an ancient part of Christendom, Syria. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: I'll tell you one thing, the Drews and the Christians
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: are very pleased that the Israelis will never let those
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: thugs touch a hair on their head. Those communities, the
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: Christians and the Drus minorities in Syria will be protected
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: by their big brother Israel.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Mea the petrol crisis that we're facing. You know, the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: government keeps telling us we've got more petrol than we
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: had at the start of the war, and I have
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: no reason to disbelieve them. People don't believe them though,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: So we're seeing this petrol rush given that the war
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: is probably going to last longer than the first thought,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Why is there why is the government refusing to say
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it even discussed discusses petrol rationing? Do you think that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: is something that should be discussed, I mean, just openly,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: even if you don't degree, let's do it right now.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Why not discuss it?
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: Well, it's certainly something that's been discussed amongst many circles,
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: that's being discussed in the media quite widely. So even
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: if the government doesn't intend to bring in petro rationing,
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: it it's something that it should openly discuss with people
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: so that we can improve trust in this government and
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: you know, improve this idea that maybe the government does
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: have a plan. And I think that's why we are
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: seeing so many people flock to the bowers that fill
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: up their cars, because there is absolutely no confidence that
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: this government has a plan. Even when it comes to
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: them reporting what are the levels of stores of petrol
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: that they have, nobody can trust them because the figure
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: seems to change quite quite frequently all the time, and
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: so nobody actually knows the true story here. The only
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: way to calm down people. And the only way to
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: address this crisis is if the government is actually transparent
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: about what they will do moving forward, and they should say, look,
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: if the war is to last another two weeks, this
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: will be the effect on Australia. Or if the war
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: is to last another month, this will be the effect
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: on Australia. But instead we have an Albanezi government who
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: for too long has been playing the global game. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: think they're forgotten how to stand and they're in Parliament
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: and say this is what we will do and this
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: is what it means for Australia. That should be the
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: first words coming out of their mouths.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, It's crazy to me because I would have thought,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if you haven't been thinking about when and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: what circumstances and what it would look like petrol rationing,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: then you're not doing your job. But they're refusing to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: even say they've thought about it now. Isn't that strange
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and does it actually build the uncertainty that they're trying
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to avoid?
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: Andrews here a reason that all of the commentators on
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: this station refer to the Minister for the Environment and
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: Energy as blackout Bowen.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're relying on him to come.
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: Up with strategies that will deal with what will happen
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: with this crisis. He wouldn't have a clue, I mean,
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: and interestingly he says that there are tankers on their
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: way to Australia full of petrol and diesel. Two of them,
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: I understand, A big tankers from the United States. So
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: Cuba gets its tankers, one from the Soviet Union that
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: keeps it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let's limp along and.
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: Bowen doesn't want to acknowledge where they that some of
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: the petrol resupplies are coming to Australia from.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: No I did here, I think I did hear him
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in Parliament's a I was from the United States, but
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: not from California because that's gone green and they don't
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  Speaker 1: have petrol. Spare me, Michael Dany Miershlely, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for me. Good luck with the new job. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. Muzzletof after the break, Anthony Albanezi and
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  Speaker 1: Penny Wong, I mean, honestly, you're wrong again about this
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  Speaker 1: war which last night went off with the bank. This
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  Speaker 1: really needs emphasizing. I know it is in the first
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  Speaker 1: time I've said it, but this fuel crisis isn't just
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  Speaker 1: caused by that war in Iran. It's also caused by
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the stupidity of the politicians who refused to make this
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  Speaker 1: country and energy superpower, who fell instead for the great
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: climate scare. I'll give you an example that even now
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of this stupidity, now around the world, other governments realize
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  Speaker 1: are going at zero scrapping fossil fuels. Huge mistake left
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  Speaker 1: them far too vulnerable power prices through the roof. Germany
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  Speaker 1: says he may now have to delay closing its last
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  Speaker 1: coal fired power plants. Italy had already decided to delay
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  Speaker 1: closing its own by another twelve years. Thailand last week
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  Speaker 1: is restarting its own coal fired generators because this war
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  Speaker 1: is also disrupted deliveries of natural gas for other generators.
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  Speaker 1: So that same story with Bangladesh, it's ramping up its
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  Speaker 1: cold power. Zero seems now is dead, except in Australia, unbelievably,
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  Speaker 1: we're still going the other way. The new South Wales
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  Speaker 1: Labor government even chooses now this war to announce it
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  Speaker 1: is going to ban new coal mines at greenfield sites,
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  Speaker 1: and of course Labor still bans nuclear power. I Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: in the real world, where real Australians have real problems
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  Speaker 1: needing fossil fuels to solve them. What we lack is
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  Speaker 1: fossil fuels petrol and diesel, which we no longer make
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  Speaker 1: for ourselves today more than five hundred service stations and
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  Speaker 1: without some kind of fuel, although prices have fallen since
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  Speaker 1: last Thursday. Joining me is Macrobusiness Chief economists Leath for
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  Speaker 1: Nonsen and Leath, thank you so much for joining us
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that I really appreciate it. Nationals leader Matt Canavan today
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  Speaker 1: posted I thought of very damning graphic showing that Australians
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  Speaker 1: have the most energy sources per person in the world,
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  Speaker 1: behind only Saudi Arabia, and that's mostly because they are
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: cold and uranium. But labor is against using both. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what should Australia change after this shock?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, look it makes absolutely no sense, Andrew. We are
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  Speaker 14: the world's biggest coal exporto where the world six and
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  Speaker 14: biggest natural gas exporter. We have thirty percent of the
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  Speaker 14: world's uranium, so we could be an absolute nuclear powerhouse
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  Speaker 14: as well. Australia should start using this stuff ourselves gives
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  Speaker 14: us give ourselves twenty four hour, stable, cheap, reliable power
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  Speaker 14: instead of selling it to the rest of the world
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  Speaker 14: to use instead and going down this absolute rabbit hole
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  Speaker 14: of net zero, which is obviously delivers unreliable power and
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  Speaker 14: very expensive power.
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  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.
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  Speaker 14: And we should also leavage our coal and natural gas
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  Speaker 14: exports on a quid pro quo basis and basically force
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  Speaker 14: our Asian partners who buy those things and also sell
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: US liquid fuels, to continue to sell us liquid fields.
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: And if they don't supply U some liquid fuels, we
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  Speaker 14: should pull back exports of natural gas and coal to
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  Speaker 14: those places, and that way we'd also guarantee our supplies
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  Speaker 14: of diesel and aviation fuel and petrol.
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  Speaker 1: I do know the government's saying to those partners, you
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  Speaker 1: know we're reliable supplies of your L and G. We're
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: looking to you to be reliable supplies of your petrol.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure or they'll do that last bit which
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  Speaker 1: Trump would as if you don't give us yours, you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: won't get ours petrol x's. The liberals call for petrol
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  Speaker 1: xs to be half for three months to help motorists
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  Speaker 1: cope with soaring power prices. The Albanizi government first said no,
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  Speaker 1: yesterday copied them. You know, Panics saw the poles or
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we better do that. This is going to cost two
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  Speaker 1: and a half billion dollars and I've heard some economists
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  Speaker 1: say that a a cheaper fuel is going to actually
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: encourage even more people to use it, which is not
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  Speaker 1: what we want right now. But b it will be inflationary.
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  Speaker 1: Did the Liberals just make the government do the wrong thing?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Is this inflationary and will we eventually have to pay
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  Speaker 1: for it? Yes, So it's basically bad on three fronts.
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  Speaker 14: Obviously, it's going to increase the budget deficit in a
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: time that we've got grown budget deficits, which you don't want.
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  Speaker 14: It's also obviously going to be inflatory because the government
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: will be collecting less tax revenue.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: They'll be going to household instead, who will then spend it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: And then also means that we're more likely to burn
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  Speaker 14: through our fuels quicker than we otherwise would in a
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  Speaker 14: time when we probably really should be rationing our few reserves,
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: especially in the area of diesel. Andrew, I'm most worried
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  Speaker 14: about diesel, petrols and inconvenience. But if Australia runs low
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  Speaker 14: on diesel the economy stops. It basically means that store
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: shelves go empty. It means that crops rott in the field,
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: they're not harvest It also means that our minds shut down.
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  Speaker 14: So if we run out of diesel, it means the
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  Speaker 14: economy stops and that is big trouble.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So you're I was wondering when I was thinking about
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: what i'd say to note whether I really did demand,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you know, back it was going too far to say,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: let's at least talk and if not, impose petrol rationing.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: But you're saying that doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's certainly in the area of diesel.
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  Speaker 14: You know, I think petrols, as I said, petrols and
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: the inconvenience, right, So if we can't drive our cars
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: around whatever we can, most.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Of us can make do with that. It obviously not
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  Speaker 1: all of us.
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  Speaker 14: But if the economy runs out of diesel, diesel Australia's
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: the most diesel dependent economy on Earth, where at the
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: end of the world's supply chain, we're a massive country
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: that needs freight to basically transport everything around into our.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Shops, etc.
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  Speaker 14: We also have a obviously a higher share of agriculture
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: and economy and also mining and those things run on diesel.
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  Speaker 14: So if we run along diesel, we are in serious trouble.
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  Speaker 14: And that is one area where I think we should
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: be rational now and trying to ration it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: More so, it's in those.
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  Speaker 14: Essential areas that we need, like logistics and freight, mining
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: and agriculture. Yeah, farming absolutely, because if we run out
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: of those things, the Australian economy will literally grind to
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: a halt.
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  Speaker 1: It is I honestly, I don't understand Andrew.
• 45:38
  Speaker 14: While they're running a military, if we can't fill up
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: our jets, can't fill up our tanks with fuel, we
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: might as well just shut it down.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I just don't get it either. Why they won't
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: even admit they're thinking about it, but maybe they're not.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: That's even more scarier thought. The economy under this government,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it's going down the toilet, inflation up, interest rates up,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: productivity down. So today you know I can image treasure.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Jim Champers said, oh great, I've got something good. I'm
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: going to announce. I'm going to save you money by
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: getting rid of the surcharge that some shops charge and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: credit cards. Here is, these changes will help take some
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: of the pressures of consumers and businesses and help with
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the cost of living. Except as everyone knows what banks
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: or shops can't charge here, they're going to charge there,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and they're not in the business of handing out free money.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: How is this going to work, Leith? What the banks
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: are suddenly going to say, we don't need that money.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: We'll absorb it, you know, we'll take it off the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: director's salary or something. I don't know what they do.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: We're going to pay for it one way, aren't they
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: aren't we?
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, more than likely it'll end I'm getting factored somewhere.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: So if you're a small merchant who obviously passes those
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: fees on, you just have to eat it, and you'll
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: most likely just pass it on in another areas. Look like,
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: I personally don't like those fees because I find them irritating.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit like when you go to America.
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: Right, If you go to America and there's a price,
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: and then they charge your sales tax and all this
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: other stuff, I'd preferd just be including the price, right,
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: So the price is the price.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So I think it's you know, it's worthwhile.
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: But let's be honest, Andrew, this is a distraction from
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: all the big issues this country faces, like it's not
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: going to make much different to our difference to our lives,
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: and it's just one of those sort of feel good
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: stories that they can do to try and distract us
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: from the real issues that are affecting us, like the
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: housing crisis, the rental crisis, the energy crisis, or the
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: cost of living crisis.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And the immigration crisis. Just before we go quickly leath
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the government promise that it was going to cut immigration levels,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it finally got the message it wasn't going to cut
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: them as hard as one nation's promising or the liberals
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: are suggesting it was going to cut them. What's actually happened.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It's gone up.
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: It's gone up, so it actually rebounded in the September quarter,
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: and Treasure Jim Charmers gave an update last week whereby
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: I said that the upcoming federal budget will likely print
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: a net overseas migration forecast for this financial year of
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: over three hundred thousand, and it was supposed to be
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: two hundred and sixty thousand last year's federal budget.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: So immigration's going back up. And guess what.
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: The rental crisis is getting worse it's as simple as that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: We're bringing more people than we can supply houses for
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: and we've created a housing crisis.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Well done, it's just extraordinary. But what do you expect.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: You know there's a pattern here, isn't there. We're going
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to cut your power bills for two hundred and seventy
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: five dollars. Whops, they've gone exactly the opposite way. Immigration,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. You sometimes wonder, in fact, I often
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: wonder if this government knows what it's doing. Leithannsolant really
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: glad to talk to you again, Thank you so much,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and urge readers to go to your macro business website.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's it for me, Coming up
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  Speaker 1: next to Sherry markson goodnighte