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Roam Overlanding’s Adrian Abrahams on the Importance of Doing Your Overland Homework · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Jordano, and today I joined by Adrian Abraham's of
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  Speaker 1: Rome Overlanding a South African Overlander.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me, Adrian, I'm so pleased
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  Speaker 2: to have you here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for inviting me on the show.
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  Speaker 3: It's real. It's a real pleasure and honor to be
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  Speaker 3: here chat with you again after such a long time
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  Speaker 3: since we traveled together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so for the audience, we traveled together in Namibia
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  Speaker 1: and parts of South Africa as well. Like this was
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago, so I'm trying to remember.
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  Speaker 3: We spore each other a bit in South Africa, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we got the pleasure of being able to travel to
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  Speaker 3: one of my favorite places together. So yeah, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: stolen a piece of my heart. So anytime I get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to go there, it's great. But yeah, to
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  Speaker 3: travel with you and the Exo crew and everything was
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  Speaker 3: a pretty awesome bucket list thing to do, especially for
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  Speaker 3: a little South African like me.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were driving your twenty eighteen Toyota Hiles
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  Speaker 1: and we were road tripping together through Namibia, which, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, it was so much fun. But tell me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about why Namibia has stolen your heart.
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  Speaker 3: It's the wide open landscapes, the starry skies, especially if
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  Speaker 3: you travel at the right time of year in winter
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  Speaker 3: when it's freezing cold and the skies are just there's
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  Speaker 3: no like pollution, there's nothing, it's just amazing. So it's
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  Speaker 3: I think that just that pure sense of freedom. I
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  Speaker 3: think one of the things that like sort of resonates
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  Speaker 3: with me with overlanding is the solitude and just being
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  Speaker 3: in this place all on your own, and when it's
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  Speaker 3: such a beautiful place, it's perfect. And I think also,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so many people think there's nothing in a desert.
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  Speaker 3: They think it's quite a boring place. Oh, there's no animals,
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  Speaker 3: there's no plants, there's no nothing until you spend a
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  Speaker 3: bit of time there and you really zoom into the
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  Speaker 3: little details of what nature has to offer. In such
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  Speaker 3: a harsh environment, and then you start to realize maybe
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  Speaker 3: you were a bit wrong, maybe there's a lot more
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  Speaker 3: under the surface than what do you think.
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  Speaker 1: I love that, you know, that's that's saying that you're
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, And I like to think
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  Speaker 1: of it as I'm in the middle of somewhere because
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  Speaker 1: there's always something happening out there. And I love the
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  Speaker 1: desert too. Which parts of Namibia do you like the most,
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  Speaker 1: because I know, like the north is quite desert y,
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  Speaker 1: but then yeah, the coast and just tell me, tell
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  Speaker 1: me all about it.
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  Speaker 3: I love that sort of like straw grass, the big
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  Speaker 3: mountains in the distance, the camel thorn trees, you know
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  Speaker 3: that sort of those these landscapes you expect to see
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  Speaker 3: like a arex walk by, and you know, there's classic
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  Speaker 3: for me, at least classic in Namibia landscapes. They tend
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  Speaker 3: to be in the south, and then like where we
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  Speaker 3: traveled up in the Marian Fluss, way up in the north.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that's probably more epic where we were,
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  Speaker 3: just because of the grandeur and the scale of the
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  Speaker 3: mountains and the scale of the grasslands. It's just something
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  Speaker 3: that is very hard to replicate and that Kalahari section
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  Speaker 3: down in the south that is it's lovely, but it's
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  Speaker 3: unique in Namibia because of the mountains a lot of Kalahari.
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  Speaker 3: If you go to Botswana, there's not a lot of mountains,
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  Speaker 3: it's all quite flat. It's all salt pans and you know,
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  Speaker 3: so you don't really get that scale in that contrast
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  Speaker 3: in the landscape. So I think southern Namibia is is
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  Speaker 3: just a special place. There's massive canyons there and it's
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  Speaker 3: just there's so much to see and beautiful wildlife and
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  Speaker 3: lots of locals to support their businesses when you travel
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  Speaker 3: through there and stuff. So it's really nice.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting how.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of come out of the middle of some
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  Speaker 1: where and go to another middle of somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: And the.
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  Speaker 1: Culture can completely change because of the history of Namibia
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  Speaker 1: is so interesting and diverse, and so you're having a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different types of experiences with other travelers or
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  Speaker 1: you know, up in the north is going to be
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  Speaker 1: very different from the south, and yeah, can you speak
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  Speaker 1: a little bit to that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, with Namibia's history, you know,
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  Speaker 3: previously known as South West Africa, it was part of
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  Speaker 3: you know, South Africa. So the south is a lot
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  Speaker 3: more South African with German influence and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: The further north you go, you start seeing more of
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  Speaker 3: that Angolan influence and a lot more of Himber tribes
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  Speaker 3: and bamboos, and whereas further south you're going to see
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  Speaker 3: more of like the Sand people and the Nama people.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a bit of a different experience. I remember
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  Speaker 3: the one day just like rocking up in the petrol
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  Speaker 3: station and just like hearing all these amazing new languages
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  Speaker 3: which we used to in South Africa, hearing different languages.
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  Speaker 3: We've got eleven I think eleven official languages in South Africa,
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  Speaker 3: but even then, just hearing all these different languages and
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  Speaker 3: sounds and everything, it's actually quite amazing. You can still
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  Speaker 3: get that feeling of being in a place where no
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  Speaker 3: one understands you, so it is quite cool.
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  Speaker 1: What's the best way to support local culture in Amibia.
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  Speaker 3: It's a tough one, you know. I think with any
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  Speaker 3: sort of local culture and tourism, there's like layers of
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  Speaker 3: exploitation and then there's layers of like genuine sort of
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  Speaker 3: little cultural experiences, and I think, you know, you have
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  Speaker 3: to you have to be the judge for yourself of
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  Speaker 3: what you get that gut feeling when you're like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know about this. You know, there's a really good
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  Speaker 3: instance in you know, some of the sections near Kietman Swooping.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a lot about cheatas cheeta. I've got private
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  Speaker 3: you know cheetahs on my farm. Come walk with the cheetas,
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  Speaker 3: compet the little cheetas, and you know, it's this huge
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  Speaker 3: attraction to come and do these things. And that for
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  Speaker 3: me is like I don't like that so much. They
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  Speaker 3: banned that type of stuff in South Africa because it's
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  Speaker 3: not it's not great, and maybe it's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: behind in that. I think they're cracking down on a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. But I would rather go to a farm
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  Speaker 3: that has natural animals, you know that they've got. There's
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  Speaker 3: a really nice little spot in Mesosaurus Farm with a
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  Speaker 3: fossil farm with quiver tries and all that stuff where
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  Speaker 3: I went on a trip and chatting to you know,
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  Speaker 3: that farmer there, he's been there like forty fifty years.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's he knows that play so well and to
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  Speaker 3: hear his passion about all the little fossils and stuff
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  Speaker 3: that they find and all the nature and the quivertries
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  Speaker 3: and the stars and everything there. That was really nice.
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  Speaker 3: Like to me, that's like, this is real, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is a really nice little little slice of this
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  Speaker 3: Namibian culture. And I think, yeah, it's tricky, that's tricky,
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  Speaker 3: But I love that little bit of the German side
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  Speaker 3: of the Namibian culture as well. I love to you know,
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  Speaker 3: go to Swakop Points and stuff and go and you know,
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  Speaker 3: revel in that little bicro European sort of influence there.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the new the newer
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  Speaker 3: cultures and seeing that so many people from all around
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  Speaker 3: the world love Namibia. They've moved there. So you go
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  Speaker 3: to Swakop Points and you eat like Italian pizza, like
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  Speaker 3: you eat German food, and you eat like you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's amazing to see that mix of everybody. And
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  Speaker 3: I think for the future of Namibia, it's really bright
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  Speaker 3: and terms of the tourism and stuff, you know, but
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  Speaker 3: the quantity of tourists is getting crazy now and it's
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  Speaker 3: starting to affect our experiences like this South African overlanding destination,
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  Speaker 3: it's starting to get a bit busy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, yes, nowhere has become somewhere indeed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: and you have so much experience now you've been overlanding
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  Speaker 1: for many, many years, all over Southern Africa, not just
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  Speaker 1: South Africa. Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe walk us through your
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  Speaker 1: beginnings like you came into overlanding and like the journey
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  Speaker 1: in a condensed version till now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it started with a trip to Scotland.
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  Speaker 2: That was cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually started with a trip to Scotland. Was
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  Speaker 3: my twenty first birthday. My folks said, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: we want to give you an adventure experience for your
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  Speaker 3: first and they had actually also won tickets to go
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  Speaker 3: watch the Rugby World Cup, so it was kind of convenient.
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  Speaker 3: I had said I wanted to rent a motor home
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  Speaker 3: and go and do a nine day trip. I think
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  Speaker 3: we ended up doing around Scotland, staying at all the
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  Speaker 3: different campsites, and something that gripped me there was those
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  Speaker 3: massive landscapes, you know, where the mountains dwarf you completely.
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  Speaker 3: And I think coming out of South Africa, where we
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  Speaker 3: are very much so behind our walled houses and you know,
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  Speaker 3: our lifestyles are very condensed. You go from the house
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  Speaker 3: in the car to the shops or to the school
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  Speaker 3: and then back into your little fortress. I think going
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  Speaker 3: to places like that and being able to just like
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  Speaker 3: be immersed in these big, beautiful landscapes that just opened
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  Speaker 3: my mind to something that I didn't really consider. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it was one of the best things my
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  Speaker 3: parents ever did for me because it sent me on
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  Speaker 3: the trip of a lifetime. After that, coming back and
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  Speaker 3: trying to seek that feeling again, to be in a
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  Speaker 3: place that just just so much bigger than you just
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  Speaker 3: grounds you makes you remember that maybe your problems aren't
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  Speaker 3: so big after all.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you feel small in big landscapes for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Great.
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  Speaker 1: And then what happened so obviously you your next journey.
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  Speaker 2: How did that come to be?
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  Speaker 1: Because you got back home and then you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: let's try to capture this feeling again.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then I actually sought out places with landscapes like Scotland,
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  Speaker 3: so I went to the Drakensburg and then I was like, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: as a photographer at the time, I wanted to start
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  Speaker 3: getting into landscape photography and I was like, damn, these
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  Speaker 3: you know, street poles and the telephone lines and fences
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  Speaker 3: are getting in my way. You know. I was like where,
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  Speaker 3: how can I get beyond that fence? How can I
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  Speaker 3: get beyond that thing? You know? And then you sort
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  Speaker 3: of come to the realization, like you need a vehicle
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  Speaker 3: to get off that road. And you know, I'd ventured
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  Speaker 3: plenty in my little road car, but I always looked
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  Speaker 3: at those gravel roads that led through the forest or
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  Speaker 3: that went up the mountain. It was in our family,
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  Speaker 3: we don't really have four by fours and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: And which was a bit of a crazy thing for
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  Speaker 3: me to buy a Bucky pickup truck, right and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I just decided, well, let's go for it and never
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  Speaker 3: look back Sinceand it helped me in my production at
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  Speaker 3: the production time, having a huge pickup that I could
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  Speaker 3: just load all the gear and stuff in. But on
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  Speaker 3: the weekends and every now and then get off in
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  Speaker 3: the vehicle, go off into the forest, into the mountains,
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  Speaker 3: into the desert, and that really started to kickstart that
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  Speaker 3: that sort of wonderlust.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing. I love that so much.
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  Speaker 1: You were filming along the way as well, documenting your adventures,
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  Speaker 1: and did that start right away or did you kind
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  Speaker 1: of wait a little while and then had an idea
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  Speaker 1: of what you wanted to share I might.
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not, you know, I'm only thirty years old,
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  Speaker 3: but I might date myself here a little bit. I
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  Speaker 3: had a blog and in the beginning obviously just took
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  Speaker 3: photos and then I'd write little stories and I have
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  Speaker 3: it on the blog and Instagram. Wasn't like popping off
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  Speaker 3: in the overlanding scene so much. It was there, but
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  Speaker 3: it was really small. There weren't a lot of content
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  Speaker 3: creators in that space. In South Africa. There were a
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  Speaker 3: couple like legends of overlanding that were you know, had
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  Speaker 3: pioneered the way for us, but there wasn't a heck
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  Speaker 3: of a lot going on. By the time I had
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  Speaker 3: sort of gotten through the photos phase, through the blogging phase,
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  Speaker 3: and got to the point where it was like, I
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  Speaker 3: need to tell the story better. How do I make
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  Speaker 3: the viewer or the content consumer I feel like they
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  Speaker 3: are there and writing about it could only do so much.
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  Speaker 3: Photos can only do so much. You need that dimension
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  Speaker 3: of time. You need that to be able to pull
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  Speaker 3: somebody in and just help them escape for a little
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  Speaker 3: bit in this other world. I think that's something that
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  Speaker 3: the videos started really drawing me into that, into the
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  Speaker 3: art form of being able to make something that can
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  Speaker 3: somebody can just kick back, relax and disappear a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So I think once I started on that journey, it
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  Speaker 3: just led from one thing to another. It was all
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  Speaker 3: very vehicle orientated at the beginning. Then it became destination orientated,
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  Speaker 3: and I'd say nowadays it's more conceptual. You know, It's
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  Speaker 3: like I'm trying to maybe bring a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: to the table than just cars and animals and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. Try and bring in a level of education
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  Speaker 3: or a bit of philosophy or you know, something that
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  Speaker 3: can target the heartstrings a little bit. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that's the natural progression as a creator. You try and
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  Speaker 3: hope that your content becomes more and more meaningful as
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  Speaker 3: you go through life.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a trip or something that you've documented
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  Speaker 1: along the way that's kind of stuck with you, or
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  Speaker 1: a favorite or something that affected you.
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  Speaker 3: I think probably one of the biggest things that impacted
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  Speaker 3: me was the you know, the trip we did with
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  Speaker 3: you and you know the series that I was there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like that was that was pretty pretty major.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to find the guests, trying to think of who
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  Speaker 3: to actually go and travel to and go and spend
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  Speaker 3: a bit of time with him I had. I could
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  Speaker 3: only do that because of the groundwork late before, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I could only get in there because I had,
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  Speaker 3: you know, reached out to Andy and MH for example,
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  Speaker 3: from Expedition Row and we'd been chatting on Instagram for ages,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then it was like you're coming to
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  Speaker 3: South Africa. Great, you know, And that's all these little
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  Speaker 3: things sort of led up to that. All the people
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  Speaker 3: who helped me over all the years of starting Rome,
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  Speaker 3: overlanding my business, park Nick, you know, like he helped
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  Speaker 3: out so much with mechanical support. Rulf has been there
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  Speaker 3: from like day one with everything, like my uncle Andrew,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so every guest on the show, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and through that that series was a major thing, but
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  Speaker 3: I had to go and get to them, so it
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of solo travel just in between all
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff. I think I recorded it. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was about forty.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that, I read it, and the other day
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  Speaker 1: I was looking into it and this is your seven
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  Speaker 1: part series called Reasons to Roam, which you can find
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  Speaker 1: on the Expedition Portal YouTube channel and your YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: as well. But I saw that statistic and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: holy crap, holy crap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of kilometers.
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  Speaker 3: It got me thinking it was like that's I could
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  Speaker 3: have crossed the continent. But it was because I was
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  Speaker 3: always going out, coming back, going out, coming back, going out,
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  Speaker 3: coming back. And so the longest stretch was actually heading
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  Speaker 3: up to from joe Burg to Zambia, and then I
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  Speaker 3: did a three week trip in Zambia with Juba. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's episode four, I think something like that, and
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  Speaker 3: that was amazing. That was like mind blowing traveling in
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  Speaker 3: such a great convoy and with guides and like learning
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  Speaker 3: so much about nature. It was just amazing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you think you know a lot and then you go
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  Speaker 3: somewhere with a specialist and then you realize you know nothing.
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  Speaker 3: So that was really epic that. That was awesome. But
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  Speaker 3: then I drove down to the Kaprivious strip in Namibia
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  Speaker 3: and then I met up with you guys, and then
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  Speaker 3: we traveled together for a week ten days. I don't
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  Speaker 3: really remember too much, but it was a good stretch
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  Speaker 3: and I think that whole section by the time I
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  Speaker 3: got back home was about sixty days, and that was
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  Speaker 3: my longest stint, you know, and obviously we're doing production
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  Speaker 3: as well. You know, it's not a lot of lingering
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  Speaker 3: around in holiday, so it's a big push you guys. Also,
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  Speaker 3: I think you guys also did about sixty days, so
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, ties you out after a while. But
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  Speaker 3: in terms of just like bucket list trip, epic, scenery epic,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that poor high lous of Mind was loaded
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  Speaker 3: just shy of four ton most of the time and
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  Speaker 3: it just went through everything, you know, it didn't skip
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  Speaker 3: a beat. It was really amazing to see what, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the vehicles are capable of, and what's spending six years
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  Speaker 3: building your vehicle up and like getting it all prepared
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  Speaker 3: and everything. How worthwhile that is in the long run.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I really love about the series that you
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  Speaker 1: put together.
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  Speaker 2: Is that you dive into.
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  Speaker 1: Different styles of overlanding throughout and pick a person or
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  Speaker 1: a couple or a friend or a specialist to chat
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  Speaker 1: with about their story.
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  Speaker 2: And how they got into overlanding.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so cool because you know, you have one
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  Speaker 1: one guess it's a quit his full time job to
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  Speaker 1: be a guide in you.
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  Speaker 2: Were mentioning in Zambia.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's like Mary Hannah and Andy from expedition rove,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: who you had on who were full time travelers, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: some folks that can get out for two weeks per year.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: It's just like an amazing variety because we all do
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: it differently and we have different goals. And so I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: was wondering what piqued your interest about those stories specifically.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I think that was, you know, sort of the main
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: idea for the whole series. And like I said, for me,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: there's always a little bit of a story underneath the story.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: And I wanted this lad approach because I wanted the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: people who are watching, no matter where they are in
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: that journey, that they can feel like, hey, I might
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: not be able to do that, but I can do this,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: you know, to start the adventure. And in the beginning,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you may have other hobbies. You may be into hiking,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: you may be into mountain biking, you may go kayaking,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: you may do something else, and you just might realize that, oh,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I can add this on to those things that I
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: already do. Next thing, you're packing your vehicle for a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: two week trip. You know you've gotten a bit more comfortable,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you feel like you can go a little bit further,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and you may very well end up as like An
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: andamm and Mate, or like you and Richard touring around
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: the planet, you know, long term seeing all these amazing places.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: If your life takes you there, you may end up
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: like XO filming and documenting your trip and you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: doing these epic expeditions. So the reality is not only
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: is it people seeing themselves, it's also just showing you
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that you can start here and you can end up
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: here if you really want to. You can also just
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: stay here because that's also awesome, you know, And I
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: think that was the whole thing. You know, my life
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: has changed a lot since opening the workshop. I can't
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: go on sixty day expeditions anymore. I can't go and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: do things like that, but I get to help people
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: in a different way now. So it's really cool to
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: sort of see that the journey through the series and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: to see how it influences people as they travel, but
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: knowing that every single part of that journey is special.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you know that time when you've just got
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: in your vehicle and you've got no kits on it
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and you're going out and you're like, I need this,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I need to get I need to get a little step.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: You're thinking about steps and cups and like all these
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: basic things. It's so exciting, you know, as you're starting
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that journey, and I would never rob that from somebody
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of going on their own journey figuring out their setup
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: and you know, figuring out how they like to camp
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and how they want to travel. So I think that's
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: probably one of the most fun things about the whole process,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: you know, is getting into it. That's when it's so magical.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So I think it's fun because that comes back even
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: if you've been doing it for a while. You find
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: new things that can help you live life a little
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: bit easier, or things have been developed that weren't developed
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of your trip. And so you're coming
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: back from going away sometimes in every single time you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: go out, no matter what, you're always learning and you're
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: always like, oh, how can we make this a bit easier,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: more efficient, or better.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like you're.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Even at the beginning or when you're accumulating the things
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that you need, it's like five or ten years later
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you could be coming back and then leaving again and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: doing it all over again, but with different kind of things.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It's just fun. Yeah, definitely cool. I think I heard
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: it from Scott Brady the first time. I don't know
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: if it is his is his saying or not, but
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: your overlanding bill is only done once you've taken the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: last thing out. And I think that also speaks to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: the journey of the traveler, because in the beginning, you
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: want to bring your creature comforts with you. You know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you want to pad yourself and your fears and all
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: of these things that your anxieties with all the stuff
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: to help motivate you to go out. So you feel
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: like you need a lot of things. And the longer
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you travel, the more you realize you don't need a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: lot of things. It's actually better to travel lights, it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: better to travel with less stuff, draw less attention, draw
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, blend in better. And so there's a lot
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: of nice things about having these great, shiny vehicles with
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: all the kits and everything on them. There's also something
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: magical about just having a simple little land cruiser and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: toodling through and just blending in with the locals. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I think as you go you sort of figure out,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't need the air fryer.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Did the air fryer get unpacked or do you think
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it's going to come along again.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, it doesn't fit in the camper. So oh gosh,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: had a bit of a change since you last saw it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was going to say, you alluded to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: this off road shop and yeah, your life is different now.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So when did this start for you? And how and why?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It's, like all things in life, a complicated story. But
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the crux of it is, since I got my land Cruiser,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I've been toodling around, tinkering, shall we say, quite a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: lot more. I wanted to get more involved. So my
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: now business partner Nick, he was working at Terrain Tamer
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: at the time and he was the mechanic who was
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: helping out with all the stuff, and his son Andrew
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: is also working at the workshop. Him and I got
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: into doing a whole bunch of work on this recent
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: series or at leased on YouTube called Old but Gold,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: where we took Base Sickly, an old forty series, Old
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: sixty series, an eighty series, one hundred series, and a
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: seventy nine series land Cruiser on an amazing trip through
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Botswana to the Akabanga Delta. And we had to prepare
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: all of those vehicles. So myself and Andrew got into
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that sixty series, we stripped everything down. We rebuilt all
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the steering knuckles and the diffs and the suspension and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: all of the stuff, getting the elbows nice and greasy.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I had to do a bunch of work on one
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: hundred series. We put in diff locks, needed to do
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the steering rack, wheel bearings, all sorts of stuff. So
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I started really starting to enjoy the mechanical side of things,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: you know, for as a content creator, especially dealing with
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: sponsors and sponsored products and things like that, you tend
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to be on the outside looking in and obviously filming
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and doing all that stuff. But over the years, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: just wanted to get a little bit more involved. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: that sort of led to us needing a space. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: you know, we had always chatted about, like, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: one day we're going to have our own shop and
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: we're going to do that, and we're going to and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: as things happened, Nikki was no longer working at terrain
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Teamer and he was unemployed, and we just looked at
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: each other and we were like, is this the sign?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You know? Is it now? And we said hell yeah?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And I knew that I knew that things were going
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to change. I knew that things were going to change.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: But I also looked at it as I've basically lived
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: retired for the past ten years, being a freelance creator
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and traveling all around, and I actually.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of hard work in that Adrian.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: No, but you know, just in terms of lifestyle, in
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: terms of lifestyle and knocking down, you know, not needing
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: to be somewhere. I think that was something that was
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit different. And I was sort of craving
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the little bit of a nesting thing after spending so
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: much time on the road and spending so much time
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: traveling on my own, missing family and you know, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: other side of the overlanding story that people don't talk
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: about too much. So I think that was the timing
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: was right. There's still going to be plenty of Rome trips,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and I think that was what was nice with that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Old but Gold series. We all got to go along
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: on the trip, so Nicky was there, Andrew was there,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: and it was really nice to go and see like,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: this is what we do, and these type of trips
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: are the things we need to help our customers prepare for.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And obviously having a bit of experience traveling around breaking things,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: knowing the vulnerability of these indestructible toyotas you realize that
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: they become indestructible in those environments when they are looked after.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And it's all about the homework. It's all about the homework.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: That's how you prepared for the test. So the reality
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: is I've been geeking out on tech stuff, on mechanical stuff,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: on all of the things, and that just suits me
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: just fine. Yeah, I know, it's been a really nice journey.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And we've seen some we've seen some great vehicles come through,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: we've seen some like not so great vehicles come through.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: But something that I think I've always noticed is the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: owner's passion for their vehicle and their dream to go
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and use it. And I think that's something like you
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: see this like a you know, a vehicle come in.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You're like, this thing should not be on the road,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: let alone going across Africa. But you do what you can.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And then you see the photos coming through from their
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: trip and they're in Malawi and they're out yet doing
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that and you're going like it is a land cruiser.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: We did enough to get it going and people are
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: out there living their dreams. You know, you get that,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: you get the people come in where they've had their
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: vehicle for twenty five years. It's been meticulously maintained, but
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: just the basics, you know, oil changes and your wheelbearings
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and your diffs and stuff like that. But all the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: little other things get neglected, and you know, we actually
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: work on a really awesome project right now. We're doing
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: everything front to back on all the major components, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it's just like we're standing there in the workship. We're like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: this thing's going to be amazing when we're done, Like
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: this is this customer is like, We're so grateful that
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the customer wants to do all the work, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: because they see the potential in that vehicle as well.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So it's it's stuff like that that that gets really exciting.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a different type of excitement. It's a
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: different type of adventure. But it's been I have grown
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: so much in the past year. I've learned about all
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: sorts of different things, and I think it's going to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: bring a whole new level to remover Landing going forward.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: That we're in the growth phase right now. We're busy establishing,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: not at that point where we can harmonize everything just yet,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: but it's coming, and I think it's going to be
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: something quite special.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you. What a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: fun project.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And I love so much how your experience has informed
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and shape the work that you do for other people.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So where is your shop, by the way, Is it
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in keep Town?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Cape Town? Cape Town? Okay, Yeah, it's a nice hub. No,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: we see you know, we actually help a lot of
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: people coming. They've shipped their vehicles over, they need to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: do some maintenance, they need to do some things. So
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: we see a lot of foreigners and stuff come through
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit of vehicle prep before they go off
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: on their trip or they're coming back from a trip
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: or so. It's a nice spot to be. It's a
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: good hub, and it's kind of striving over landing in
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: full buffour industry. So it's good to be in the
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: lines then battling shoulders to shoulder with everyone. But the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: industry is ferocious and there's enough seats at the table.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Thanks to Han Cook Dinah pro Tire for supporting this
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: week's podcast. Join us on expedition portal dot com for
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: an adventure through the San Jacinto Mountains outside of Ottle Wild, California.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: After we attended the off Road Expo and Coast from
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the Beach to the Mountains with Huncooked Dinapro.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm curious when people come in H and are starting
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a trip, what kind of advice do you give them,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: if any like about it could be about.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: South Africa or traveling or their vehicle, Like, is.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: There something that people kind of ask all the time
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: or advice you give them all consistently.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I think the latest trend is I asked groc what
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I need to do to prepare for my trip, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: then they get some nice onces. Yeah, they get some
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: nice sances or chat EBT or whatever, and then you
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: know it's obviously just feeding information for forum or whatever.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: So there's there's some things that they you know, some
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: of the customers come to us and tell us what
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: they need, which is sometimes quite funny. But in general,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: because people have maybe watched from over learning and you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: they know where we've been and what we've done and
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: they experience with everything, generally they want to hear what
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: we have to say, and we tend to just cover
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of the basics, you know, try and not
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: overcome iplicate the experience for people. We want to take
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: care of their basic maintenance. So we're making sure that
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the vehicle is nice and safe for them. And that's
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of the time when we're prioritizing, we're prioritizing
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: safety and longevity. We're not prior We're not making it sexy,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: we're not lifting at four inches and doing like we're
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: doing sensible work. So when they ask us for other
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: advice or they say, oh, I'm going to Angola, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: on a trip, like have you ever been over land? No,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I just bought the vehicle. I don't know what I'm doing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you should probably have a recovery kit,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you should probably have a first aid kit, you should
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: probably have some recovery boards, like a max Trax or something. Really,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the basics are where a lot of people are like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: what's the recovery board, you know, and you're going like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: that's going to really help you. And we've had a
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: customer not go and do those things, and then he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: phoning me at you know, three o'clock in the morning,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: going I'm stuck in the mud in a random village
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: in and Go and he's stuck down to his chassis
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: and a set of Max tracks would have really helped him,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: and all the recovery ropes that they're using all snapping,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: and you know, because they're trying to make a plan
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: at the moment. So there's a few things depending on
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: where people are going. Sometimes they come to us and
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: they've got a certain power solution and they're running a
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: four hundred watt inverter and they've got one hundred m
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: power battery and they're like, I'm going to work remotely,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: and we're like, you're going to remotely be doing work.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: The reality is, you know, you're going to type it
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: in on AI and then the AI spits out an answer,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and mathematically it might make sense, but it doesn't account
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: for a cloudy day, it doesn't account for a two
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: hour drive, it doesn't account for the reality of the situation.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And we even had a customer tell us that the
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: AI told him what to say. He's shock absorbers on
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: his shock settings, and so we're entering a fun new world.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But I think in terms of the basics, I think
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: that is always their advice. Just keep your basic stuff right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: You just want to be safe. Just be safe. You
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: don't need to do anything too crazy. The rest of
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the stuff will come, but as long as you've got
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: your bases covered, you're good to go. In Africa, Spare Tire,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: we had a customer he went up to Zambia and
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: he was towing a big trailer in a two hundred
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: series and you know, we arranged a spare CV for
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: him to take with. He didn't need it. In the end,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: it's fine, we take it back, we return it. It's
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: no problem. But that advice, do you have a thirty
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: six socket to loosen the CV nut? You're not going
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to find that everywhere. You know. I broke my CV
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: in Zambia and we didn't have the socket. The guys
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: had to get like hammers and chisels and try and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: break the nut off. It was a so thinking ahead
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit having that experience. I wouldn't have been
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: able to give that advice if I hadn't been through
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: it myself. So there's a few little thoughts there, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: know that we can sort of that we're bringing to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the table for the customers. That I think is I
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: think it helps give them an a little bit of
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: confidence when they're going out on the trip. And I
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: think that's the dynamic for me of you can help
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: people in a certain way with YouTube, but it's not
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: the same as taking them by their hand and showing
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: them through the process. Right. That's something that for me
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: brings a very different level of satisfaction to my job.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So great.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was coming to South Africa, what would
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you say I should do as an overlander?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I've flown in. Maybe I'm renting a four
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: x four.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: H Should I go do? Yeah? Sure, that's a tough one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Some South Africans are like, just go to Botswana. But
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's lots of things to do
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in South Africa.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that. I would say, look out, percentage
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: of national parks in South Africa is a lot less
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: than No, maybe I'm Botswana in terms of our overall landscape,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: but South Africa has got a diversity that you can
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: not believe. We have everything, you know, from rainforests to
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: desert to alp like terrain to you know, it's like
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it's really really interesting. We've got some really unique places
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: down in the cape as well, unique types of felt
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: and you know, vegetation and things like that. The Western
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Cape you're not going to see a lot of animals.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: That's not really your place to see much in terms
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: of the animals. Most of the wildlife places are locked
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: behind five style lodgers and sitting on the back of
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a game viewer. So in terms of self drive wildlife experiences,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: you're going to be looking at Kalahadi in the Kalahari,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: and you're going to be looking at Kruger National Park.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And there's a few smaller national parks in there, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I think generally the locals are going to go to those.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Once you've done all the other stuff you're trying to
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: get your national parks checklist done, you're going to see
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of the others. The kzed n Kazilia Natal
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: has got some fantastic wildlife and really amazing reserves, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: that has got a much more tropical vegetation, so it's lush,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: it's green times of year. It can be be very
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: dry and stuff, but that's quite amazing. A highlight for
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: me is Simongalisa National Park near Saint Lucia. It's the
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: town where all the hippos walk around the streets and stuff.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Some people will know that, but it has got beautiful
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: snorkeling at Cape Vital and then you can go and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: do they don't have Big five, but I think they've
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: got Big four and go and drive and game drive.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And also it's just like wow, I didn't know I
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: could do both of those things in the same place.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: So there's a few little places like that where I
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: don't even think a lot of South Africans have gone there.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: But you've got to track, you've got to tread quite far.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I think from Cape Town there it's about two thousand
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: something kilometers. It's generally not in the typical route that
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: people take around, but if you're coming and you're going
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to travel for a long time, it's definitely a must.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And if you're going to do a Kruger National Park
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: based trip, you're closer. So there's there's a lot of
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: stuff you can do. But I would say unique things
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: if you're not going to be heading up to northern Namibia,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: for example, and you want to get a slice of
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that Namibian experience, doing the Namaqua four by four Echo Trail,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: which you guys did, is beautiful. It's really beautiful, especially
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: in the section from Pillar towards Fuels Drift that is
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: just amazing. The big beautiful mountains, the grasslands, rugged terrain
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: driving along the Orange River. It's really nice, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and it's a it's an overlanding drip. It's not just
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a toodling down the tar road to go and find
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a national park. It's proper. Another place I really like
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: is the West Coast National Park. Sorry, not West Coast
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: National Park that is nice, but Namaqua Land Coastal National
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Park that is just beautiful. You drive along the sea
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and you just camp. There's like tons of little camps
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and you just like pull off next to this ocean
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: and you go, beautiful Atlantic Sea in front of you.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: You've got really unique sort of maquel and vegetation around you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: And if you go throughout time of a year, all
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: the daisies are out. You guys got quite lucky. You
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: saw some of the flowers and stuff, and it's a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: really unique and beautiful experience.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I've never seen colors like that, Like the flowers. It
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: looked like I had brought a pack of highlighters with
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: me and just colored in all the flowers.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It was outstanding. Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you know, it's busy at that
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: time of year as well. You know, obviously people come
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: from all around the world to come and see the flowers.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's there's a few really really special things.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: You know, all your usual tourism stuff in Cape Town,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: and you know that it's all top notch. But it's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: getting busy, so I think that the classic travel seasons
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: are getting a bit wild. But it's good. It's good
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: people want to come and see our beautiful country and
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to see. You can drive
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and drive and drive and drive. I did a really
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: cool trip right in the beginning where I did like
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: an overlanding Destinations of South Africa trip and I think
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: that was about forty two days or something, and it's
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: one of my like sort of i'd say maybe third
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: series or fourth series that I did, and that was
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: really cool. We didn't go to all the shiniest, flashiest places,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: but we went to places that you needed your four
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: by four, you know, and that was the rewarding part
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: of it, was going to these places off the beaten track.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a challenge to get there. You're
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: nice and isolated, and that is actually harder to find
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: in South Africa than it is in places like Namibia.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: So it is one of those things you know you've
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: got to look for your adventure, but it is out there.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: It is out there, so yeah, it's nice too.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's changing because I think just speaking with some folks
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: about South Africa I think they're still concerned to travel
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: there because of security concerns or things that the heard
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that have happened to people that have lived there and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: then moved away or whatever. And it's getting very popular
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: now and getting busy. What do you think, do you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of like old news or does it
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: not really like tourists are kind of in a different
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: space where Yeah, anyway, I'm curious to your take on that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I think, like many things many countries, the further you
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: move away from the big cities, the more, like everywhere
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: else in the world, things become. You're never really going
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to escape that small town kind people, you know, like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's just generally wherever you go, it's like that. So
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I would say the second you leave these the big cities,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: obviously the criminals are going to hang out in the cities.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: It's just probability. You know, you're more likely to get
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: a score, but you're also there's more people, so you're
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: more likely for something to happen. Personally, I haven't heard
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of something happening to somebody in quite a while. I
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: don't have the largest in circle, I'll be honest with you,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: so I couldn't maybe know a few more people. But
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the reality is, I don't know. It's really I think
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: it's much of a much. You travel to any third
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: world country, you're going to have a slight risk, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you also have got freedom, So it's you know, exactly.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's about history is in a lot
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of places too that we think about and certain things
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: have happened historically, and then maybe the story doesn't change
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: after that because we're not paying attention or being fed
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a certain narrative I guess, or whatever. Or you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's one person you've talked to from South Africa that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: moved or and.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone's trying to rationalize why they left. Everyone's trying to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: rationalize why you shouldn't go. And I remember having a
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: very distinct conversation with Andy and MH when we were
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: in Mozambique, and they were just saying, like, when they
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: wanted to go and do their Pan American trip, all
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: they heard from people was why you shouldn't do it? Yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And then they went and did it and it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: like that was amazing. I'm glad I didn't listen to
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: those people. And I think just sometimes in Lafe you
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: need to go and figure it out yourself. Millions of
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: people do your homework.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Do your homework, as Adrian said earlier, good advice, and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: then do it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you're great.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think's cool. Yeah, I think it's you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it's it's a beautiful place to come to. It really is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: You've got to have your wits about you a little bit.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It's fine, go to India. You've gotta have your wits
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: about you. In India, you know you're going to have
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: your wits about you. In South America. You know, you've
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: got to have your wits about you in these days
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: in Europe, so the reality and in the States is
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: nowhere is you know, you can't just walk around with
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: heaps of cash around unless you're in Zambia for some reason.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I mean that it's just crazy in Zambia, like people
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: standing at the ATM with big words of cash and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: at the petrol stations like just dishing out cash. I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: just like, you would never do that into that Africa's land.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, I can never do that at home.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: She's like, Oh, where do you live South Africa? Oh,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that's that's a funny thing.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Well look we used to it, but yeah, use your
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: gut and do your homework. Yeah, yeah, all the things
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that I think we've said before. But yeah, I appreciate
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: your two cents. And every place is different. I I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: want to do something fun.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: This is fun for me. I don't know if it'll
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: be fun for everybody.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But we're going to go through some some vocabulary that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you it will be helpful to know if you're going
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to South Africa or Southern Africa generally, because I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: some of these cross borders too, don't they.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: We'll see you're the expert, Adrian. So let's start bushveld.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Bushfeldt.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna mispronouns every word.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: The bushfelt? Is the bushfeldt? I don't know how to
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: do that. What another word is it? Don't you call
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it a felt?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: What is the bush?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: The vegetation? It's like the vegetation, right, Yeah, I guess
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: we would call that and this the bushveldt. And the
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: bushveldt has got to have it's got to have grass,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: it's going to have some acacia trees. It's got to
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: have you know, it's got to be a little bit dry.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's like, to me, typical bushveldt.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: That feeling is it's it has a feeling and it
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: makes me think of Limpopo, pum Langa and you know
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the Khateng area so and a bit of the northwest.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I'd say, that's to me is the proper bushvelt.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, great spoor that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Is a footprint of an animal or could be of
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a person, could be of a person, but it is
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the that is the spoor. Yeah, So you'd be looking
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: for the spoor in the road to have a look for,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: you know, potential animals that have been around. Maybe you
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: can see a lion or print or something like that,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and you can get all like there's a lion and
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: then you drive around aimlessly for three hours trying to
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: find the lion and never see it. Also unique experience.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: They are good at that, aren't They Just look for
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the sport. Okay you said this one earlier, Bucky, Bucky, Yeah, Bucky.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it be a k K I yeah, yeah,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: but obviously it's it's Afrikaans origin. So the a is
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: a R so first letter of the Afrikaans alphabet beer. Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So basically so yeah, So basically it's a bucky and
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: a bucky is also like like a little tap away.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Does everyone get tap away?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, tup aware a.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Little BUCkies like a little a little tupaways. We call
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: it a bucky. And then on the back of a
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: ilux is a is a buck and so it gets
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: called a bucky.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, a little truck. So is it a truck? It's
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a truck sort of, Yeah, truck. It's a truck.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool, and it could be we only have small
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: trucks according to Americans. So but we get the seventy
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: nine series land Cruiser. So take that.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, take that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's another one that might be. I feel like
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: this one's probably the most popular, Like people might know
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this one. Brye Brye, Brye bry Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: That's uh. I would say almost every weekend and some
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: people almost every day. It is a barbecue. But ideally
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: there's like a list of priority of like how legit
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: your bride is. So if you're cooking on wood, that's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: like the pinnacle and generally it'll be a hard wood okay,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: because it holds the coals the longest. Then you're going
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: to charcoal and then you're going to gas, and then
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: there's nothing below that. But you're not going to catch
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of people brying on gas. It's I'd say
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: it's more of an English thing or that Africanas would
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: say a soati, but I'm not going to describe what
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: a soati is. So it's a lot. It's a lot
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: more intense than anything. But it's generally like English type culture.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: They happy to use gas, that's fine, but the Africanas
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: it's a different story. Yeah, there's a lot of spirities
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: going into that and quality control because no one bries
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: like the Afrikaans.
• 47:31
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• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks Hankook makes sense.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I would say that now we can segue from bride
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to a related word, and I'm going to get this
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: wrong for sure.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: The wars Wars, Wars.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It again.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: A drill is a drill, Okay, what is that?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It's a farmer a farmer Okay. So I obviously pronounced
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it wrong because I thought it was a sausage. Okay,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: So what's the word for like a sausage.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Worse? Yeah, no, it's a worse. Yeah, worse is a
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: sausage like a bust in German, it's force yeah, no,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: tea and then buddha. It's a farm sausage. It's made
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: of all the things, but typically beef, a little bit
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: of pork, coriander, seeds and salt, pepper, all the nice things.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: But you get lots of different types of wors so,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: you know, it just depends on what people make. There's
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of hunting and stuff in South Africa, so
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: people will make worsh out of maybe war dog or
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: or whatever the leftovers are of the of you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: once I've made all the big cuts, yeah, you'll get
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: It's nice because you can travel and you can you
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: can actually eat really organic if you want to. You know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: especially just around hunting season and stuff like that. You'll
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: see a lot of really nice game meat and built tongue.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: You'll see throughout the year.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was my next word was built tongue.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Built tongue. Oh yeah, no, that's the lifeblood of Africa,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: South Africa. But they can have it everywhere, that's fine.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like a beef jerky or like a jerky,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: but you can.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've never had beef jerkey, so I don't I
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: can't tell you if it's like that or not, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: it's the idea is the same. Yeah, it's just it's
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: not made in.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: A factory delicious dried meat.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I think I watched how it's made once on beef
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: jerky and it was not good.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So people built song. It's different, buil tongs different.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Different people will make biltongue at home. You make it
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: at home. You just you buy at steak and I
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: think if you use there's obviously different grades of steak.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: You don't need to use like a grade. You use
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: some of the lower grades. I think B you'll c
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: or something and yeah, you just spice it up vinegar
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and sugar and salt and coriander seeds and it's you know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: everyone's got their different recipes. And you get a special
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: biltongue dryer. We have those builtongu dryers. Yeah, you buy
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: and you've got their little hooks and you hook your
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: steaks up and you leave it on and you let
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: it go, let it rip.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: So it's a snack it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a thing.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody seems to be very in North America, like obsessed
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: with getting enough protein right now, and so I feel
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like Billtong would be the perfect, the perfect choice for that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: You just got to be careful for the salt.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. I wanted to ask you about
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the difference.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to get this rate
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: between now now right now and just now.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll start it just now, just now. It's like okay, now,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: it's not like just now, you know, like I don't know,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: it's like fifteen to thirty minutes.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know just now is fifteen to thirty minutes. Okay, yep.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Now, because you've got to think, you've got to imagine
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: you having a conversation with your parents. You're going to
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: do it now. Okay, so now is.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Now right now?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you gotta think, yes, mom, I'm going to
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: do it now. Now. It's like you want to finish
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: the thing you're doing and then you'll go do it right,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: and then just now you're going to do a few
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: things before you do it. It's slash maybe.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Not do it slash maybe not do it right?
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, do it just now? And then three
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: days go by and you're like, I should really do it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: So if you go into like an off roade chop
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: in South Africa and they're like, okay, we'll.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Do it now now now. Now we even have a
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I think there's even a payment app called just now.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: It's like a month.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to write that one down
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: because there could be some sort of cultural differences, like
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: with expectation of timing going on there. That could get
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: a little interesting. Yeah, fun, and what about sharp understands
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it they're sharp?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Shop just means it's it's it's okay, it's good. Shop.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: It can also mean thank you. If you say shop,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: shop it can mean hello. So you know, there's it's
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: got a lot of different meanings like many South African things.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: We've got it. It's all contextual.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, But how would be another option?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: We'd go shop like this as little kids shop with
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: your thumb just like a little eating Yeah, put your
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: little so that's what I guess what people are saying
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: is that sort of fast little greeting that's cool.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: So sharp sharp, or you could say how's it? How's it?
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: How's it? You would say shop shop, how's it? Oh
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: so that's okay. Yeah, yeah, people don't really say that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've we've adapted to you know, all the
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  Speaker 3: new lingos. But yeah, cool.
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  Speaker 2: I will do my homework before I come back and
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  Speaker 2: get it all down.
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  Speaker 3: I'll remember the wars for you. Yeah, I don't think okay.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Adrian, thank you so much for coming on
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  Speaker 1: the Overland Journal podcast and joining me today for a chat.
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  Speaker 1: It's been so lovely to catch up with you, and
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  Speaker 1: please let us know where we can find you online.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Yeah, actually has been quite
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  Speaker 3: a fun journey. Yeah, but you can find me anywhere
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  Speaker 3: at Romobile Landing if you want to look at some
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  Speaker 3: of our workshop stuff. We've got Rome Workshop but everything's
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  Speaker 3: on Romo over Landing basically on Instagram YouTube. Very nice
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  Speaker 3: news series on YouTube. It took a really long time
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  Speaker 3: to make so it's only been out a year, but
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: it's called Old but Gold and just classic Cruises in Potswana.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing wildlife, a great crew and yeah the stuff streams
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  Speaker 3: are made of, so if you get a gap, go
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: and watch it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Sounds really great classic cruisers when when. You can also
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: check out Asian seven part series called Reasons to Roam
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: on the Expedition Portal YouTube channel. Chat out about that
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  Speaker 1: today quite a bit, and there's also a vehicle feature
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  Speaker 1: on Expedition Portal about your twenty eighteen toilet Toyota Highles.
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  Speaker 1: So that was a little while back, but yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: can put the links links in there for everybody to
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  Speaker 1: check it out.
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  Speaker 3: That was my favorite setup, so go have a look
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  Speaker 3: at that.
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  Speaker 2: That's all sweet love it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Adrian, it's been a pleasure lovely chatting with you,
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  Speaker 1: and wanted to say shout out to the Overland Journal
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  Speaker 1: podcast listeners for tuning in to this episode. It's been
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: great and we'll catch you like next time.