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When Tamra Gives you Lemons… · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Cambridge Edge.
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  Speaker 2: Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
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  Speaker 2: a Pod with Tamay. Okay, I'm good. I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of questions about Watch What Happens Live. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: it was so much fun. It really was. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: watched it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't watch myself, so I don't know how it
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  Speaker 3: came out, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought it came out great. But my first question is,
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  Speaker 2: at what point did you realize that you were wearing
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  Speaker 2: the same outfit that Teresa wore.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody actually sent me a message. I had it all
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  Speaker 3: packed in my suitcase. I have my subscribers, you know,
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  Speaker 3: account on Instagram. Yeah, so I showed them what I
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  Speaker 3: was going to be wearing and the somebody goes, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. And then one person goes.
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  Speaker 3: I think Teresa wore that recently, and I went, oh shit.
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  Speaker 2: So they sent me a picture. I go, yep, that's
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  Speaker 2: the same one, and I'm like, oh, well, what can
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  Speaker 2: you do? Right? And so it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: But I had a gene on gene on gene outfit
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  Speaker 3: that was gonna wear. Sorry, Jean you know, Gene on
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  Speaker 3: Gene and Jean's very very in style right now. So
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  Speaker 3: I had a Gene dress with Jean boots and all
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  Speaker 3: this to wear and Revolve lost my order the first
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  Speaker 3: time ever in ten years or however long they've been around.
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  Speaker 3: They lost my order. And I was on the phone
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  Speaker 3: with them on Sunday. They're like, oh my god, I
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  Speaker 3: got lost in transit.
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  Speaker 2: So I, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I was kind of bummed about that because I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was a really cute, kind of funky.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be more casual, So I what did
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  Speaker 2: Teresa wear that too? I have no idea.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I pink is because I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's Barbie Week.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, this is kind of a Barbie
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  Speaker 2: pink outfit. Why not? But anyway, it was. It was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. So I had fun with Emily.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really get to spend much time with her,
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  Speaker 3: only at the clubhouse because I got in at ten.
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  Speaker 3: We stayed at the Royal ten, which is beautiful. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, the room was huge. I think I showed
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  Speaker 3: you a little video of it. Went to bed, got
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  Speaker 3: up in the morning at six, had breakfast, went to
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  Speaker 3: the studio, got glammed and then on stage, and then
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  Speaker 3: I left.
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  Speaker 2: To go to the airport.
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  Speaker 3: Had I left just a little bit or later, I
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  Speaker 3: would have found out that my flight was canceled. As
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting driven to the airport, thunderstorms, thunder and I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking on the weather map and it says it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: stop at six and my flight was at like six
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  Speaker 3: forty five, and I thought, oh, I'm gonna make it. It's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be fine. Nope, every flight at Newark Airport was canceled.
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  Speaker 3: I never fly into that airport ever, so I'm not
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  Speaker 3: familiar with it. I was literally like looking at my
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  Speaker 3: phone in tears, going I wasn't gonna go because I'm
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  Speaker 3: so busy right now. So I was just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I'm just gonna do a twenty four our trip. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I ended up having to stay another day. They're gonna
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  Speaker 3: put me back up in the hotel. And I thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I mightna go to Julius's house because
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  Speaker 3: I haven't been there yet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I saw that you were at dinner with Margaret.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we went to his house and then I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: let's go to dinner. So Margaret lives like fifteen minutes away,
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  Speaker 3: and we went to this cute little restaurant in this
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  Speaker 3: cutest little town. I can't remember the name of it,
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  Speaker 3: but just had dinner and then I mean we didn't
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  Speaker 3: even take pictures. I think Julius videoed us walking in
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  Speaker 3: or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was fun. They're getting they're getting ready soon.
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  Speaker 2: I liked some of the questions. I okay, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start out. We'll start out with yours, your watch what
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  Speaker 2: Happens Live, and then let's go go to Jin's watch
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  Speaker 2: what happens on. Oh I never saw hers, but okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So first question was uh Andy essentially said I loved
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  Speaker 2: the old Emily YadA, YadA, YadA. Emily was then asked
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  Speaker 2: about the Zimpic craze. She says she was on it
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  Speaker 2: for five to six weeks and it helped quick start
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  Speaker 2: her weight loss. What I loved about what Emily said
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  Speaker 2: was she did change other things about her life. Now,
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  Speaker 2: my issue with Ozimpic is always that people don't change.
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  Speaker 3: Right and then they're going to gain it all back,
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  Speaker 3: if not more. And that's one thing, Like you know,
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  Speaker 3: everybody knows, we're both of a stand on the whole
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  Speaker 3: ozimpic craze. But here's the thing. Here's a girl that
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  Speaker 3: struggled with her weight for many, many years. She used
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  Speaker 3: it as a crutch to kickstart her weight loss. Then
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  Speaker 3: she continued to work. She works out seven days a week.
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  Speaker 3: She is really strict with her food. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying like she's starving herself by any means. She's just
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  Speaker 3: she's doing a bodybuilder's diet. She's doing lots of protein,
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  Speaker 3: complex carbs, vegetables. She has cut out alcohol. She actually
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  Speaker 3: at Watcher Happens Lives she had her first couple classes
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  Speaker 3: of champagne.
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  Speaker 2: So she's doing it right and it's working.
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  Speaker 3: And now she said she's realized, like oh my, oh god,
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  Speaker 3: this is not rocket science.
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  Speaker 2: Like you change your diet, you move your body and
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  Speaker 2: yell lose weight. Yeah. She did say that Shane was
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  Speaker 2: a little worried about there being like an obsessive like
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  Speaker 2: portion to it. And I think that I remember at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning when I changed my life, I was more
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  Speaker 2: obsessive about it than I am now Like now I've
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  Speaker 2: learned a healthy balance.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm like, okay, but you're also going to maintain
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  Speaker 3: set right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also in maintenance. So I think that that
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  Speaker 2: really is for the people that come out and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds so extreme, that sounds so crazy. It actually,
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  Speaker 2: if you're wanting to shed, it does take that kind
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  Speaker 2: of intensity for a little bit of time. But then
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  Speaker 2: once you get to the place where you want to be,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what that is it looks different for everybody,
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  Speaker 2: then you can be a little bit freer. But either way,
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  Speaker 2: she is what is great. She's doing what she feels
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  Speaker 2: is best for her. And what I love the most
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  Speaker 2: is she said, and I loved myself before as well,
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  Speaker 2: and I love myself now, And I think that's what's
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  Speaker 2: more important. She's very She's always been very body positive.
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  Speaker 3: She would wear clothes and show her body off and
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  Speaker 3: she wasn't one that was hiding or embarrassed or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's about how you feel. It's about how
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  Speaker 2: you feel.
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  Speaker 3: And I think when somebody has confidence like that they
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  Speaker 3: can rock whatever size they are.
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  Speaker 2: Then the next thing is Heather Aman comes up about
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  Speaker 2: this Ryan on. Ryan is not Heather's type and he's
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  Speaker 2: usually an NBA or an NFL player. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 2: do have to tell you this, I am slightly confused
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  Speaker 2: because I don't full.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I hear you've been talking a lot
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  Speaker 3: of shit about her.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been talking a lot of shit about her.
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  Speaker 2: I just said, I don't think she did. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think she did your case any favors. I think what
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  Speaker 2: I saw just made it seem like she was coming
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  Speaker 2: into hammer down on Jen.
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  Speaker 3: But she didn't hammer, she didn't raise her voice, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't say anything an I told her she cared about.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's Tamra saying, so you left your family
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  Speaker 2: and kids for this man, blah blah blah. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know whether at this point you saw.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty seconds of a twenty minute conversation, right, I saw.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, that conversation would better be had, would
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  Speaker 2: have been better had at a dinner between the three
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  Speaker 2: of you where we understood the deal. And I agree.
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  Speaker 2: But do you know why she was there? Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because Ryan and Jen were calling and threatening her after
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  Speaker 3: Noboo repeatedly she would not pick up their calls, would
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  Speaker 3: not return their text messages. So I said, Heather, if
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  Speaker 3: she wants to talk to you, then go to the
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  Speaker 3: pool party with me and you can talk to her
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  Speaker 3: face to face.
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  Speaker 2: And she goes okay. But the point that I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand what does she care if Ryan is a cheater?
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  Speaker 2: What does she care?
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  Speaker 3: None of us care that Ryan is a cheater. That's
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  Speaker 3: not the point. Do I think he's a douchebag? Does
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  Speaker 3: Heather think he's a douchebag? Does the world think as
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  Speaker 3: a douchebag? Absolutely? It's Jen and our history with her
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  Speaker 3: and how we helped her and protected her and tried
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  Speaker 3: to guide her, and now she's on the show acting
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  Speaker 3: like it's all a lie. Could you imagine doing that
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  Speaker 3: for one of your friends, being there for them.
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  Speaker 2: I have a text message from Heather to Jen. I
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  Speaker 2: love that she got a readers out. I don't she's
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  Speaker 2: getting real cham got a readers out.
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  Speaker 3: Because when she found out that Ryan cheated on her
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  Speaker 3: during casting, Heather was the one there for her. Heather
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  Speaker 3: was the one feeling sorry for her, and she said,
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  Speaker 3: you still have shame for what you did, but you
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  Speaker 3: actually have a lot of real awareness and this isn't
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  Speaker 3: going to break you, meaning her and Ryan breaking up right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very impress on how you were handling all this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I would handle it this way with
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  Speaker 3: any grace whatsoever, what's important. You always should remember you
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  Speaker 3: are enough. You showed up with true authenticity and gave
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  Speaker 3: everything and even put him before your kids and your family.
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  Speaker 3: You don't you didn't deserve this, You were tricked. Just
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  Speaker 3: be strong, stay in your power, and you don't let
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  Speaker 3: anybody take your power away from you.
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  Speaker 2: Again.
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  Speaker 3: Heather was there like that kind of friend, non stop
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  Speaker 3: with her, and I get that.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is that we didn't see that so
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  Speaker 2: all it looked like it was like another person.
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  Speaker 3: Because they're saying so they are thinking that Heather's telling
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  Speaker 3: me everything bad.
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  Speaker 2: Heather's not.
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  Speaker 3: Heather's from Chicago. She's an Italian from Chicago. She is
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  Speaker 3: closed lips. She didn't say anything. It took her two
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  Speaker 3: years to tell me that he walked in that gym
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  Speaker 3: with her and said he wanted to f me. And
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  Speaker 3: she's like, no, no, no, no, Ryan not You're not
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  Speaker 3: doing You're not effing this one.
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  Speaker 2: Can you explain to me bringing up the casting process
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  Speaker 2: when you on the watch what happens live.
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  Speaker 3: Because people think like, oh my god, this poor girl.
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  Speaker 3: She had no idea, No, she knew she chose to
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  Speaker 3: stay with him, and so when she comes on the show,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sitting back now. Keep in mind, the first
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  Speaker 3: four episodes, it was Emily and Gina that brought up
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  Speaker 3: the cheating. I had no intentions of it.
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  Speaker 1: Know.
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  Speaker 2: I brought that up on the last Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: When she got on the show, I told her, I said, listen,
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  Speaker 3: you be honest.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the girls know what went down. If
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be honest, my suggestion to you is to tell them
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  Speaker 3: none of your business. It's none of your business. That way,
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  Speaker 3: you're not lying. I go, but do not lie. So
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  Speaker 3: the first four episodes I had to sit there and
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  Speaker 3: watch her lie through her teeth.
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  Speaker 2: That's when I lean in. I cut this and go,
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  Speaker 2: just be honest, be honest. But I have another question
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  Speaker 2: for you. Do you have any male friends that are
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  Speaker 2: your best friends that are straight? I did when I
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  Speaker 2: was single.
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  Speaker 3: Heather's Heather's single mom, her, their kids go to school together.
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  Speaker 3: They have a mutual group of friends that would hang
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  Speaker 3: out all the time and travel together. So they were friends.
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  Speaker 3: She has zero interest. She knows what kind of boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: Ryan is.
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  Speaker 2: She knew that right.
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  Speaker 3: So when Jen, when she got close with Jen, because
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  Speaker 3: she met Jen through me at the gym, she got
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  Speaker 3: close to Jen. She had to step away from Jen
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  Speaker 3: because she knew what a bad boyfriend this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Is, and then they became close. It was just it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of drama, a lot. Okay, So there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot we haven't seen and that's where it just
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  Speaker 2: it's getting lost in translation.
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  Speaker 3: But for sure, I don't think that you guys know
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  Speaker 3: enough about what went down and how we were there
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  Speaker 3: for her.
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  Speaker 2: People still think you brought her on.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't bring her on, Guys. I did not bring
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  Speaker 3: her on. I didn't know I was coming back.
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  Speaker 2: How can I bring someone on?
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  Speaker 3: But I don't even know why I'm coming back?
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  Speaker 2: You know, wasn't she brought on before you knew you
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  Speaker 2: were coming back? Yes? And if it wasn't, if Tamra
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  Speaker 2: hadn't come back, she would have been brought on as
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  Speaker 2: somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: That yeah, kind of like Crystal correct, right, Okay, well
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  Speaker 3: let's get into something else, tom.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So then when we played Tamra Makes Trace game,
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  Speaker 2: Tamera's after asked if she would be Trace amigas and
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  Speaker 2: with Kyle and Ed and then you said Teddy would
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  Speaker 2: be mad. Well, I would not be mad.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would be mad if you came in and
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  Speaker 3: took my spot with Vicky and Shannon. I just thought like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna start elbowing with a jurid and and Kyle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that ain't gonna work out. Sorry. Oh like like
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to be friends with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: like just the three of you. Okay, okay, Well.
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  Speaker 3: There's a difference between friends and being the trace a Megas.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the trace Avegas are on tour now,
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  Speaker 3: so they're pretty famous.
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  Speaker 2: What I also found quite interesting was that asking if
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  Speaker 2: Vicky was coming back, when you guys both answered one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent, and I saw Andy's face smile, She's coming back.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like she's coming back, right.
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  Speaker 3: I did well that question just totally because they started
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  Speaker 3: doing that about me the prior year.
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  Speaker 2: And I think her scene was so good in this
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  Speaker 2: last episode. Wow really Oh yeah, I mean I was like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I think I thought she was funny. I saw a
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  Speaker 2: different side to her. See, every time I've been around
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  Speaker 2: great TV, she has been so MOPy. That's why I've
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  Speaker 2: been likeugh, like, you have to understand, I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: that side, so watching that side, like listen, I can
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  Speaker 2: pivot if I see a fun side to somebody, I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to go with it. And what I saw there,
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  Speaker 2: but what I have seen in the past was always
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  Speaker 2: her kind of being negative down, putting you down, not
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  Speaker 2: lifting you up. And so that's kind of where I was, like,
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  Speaker 2: go kick rocks, Vicky, but seeing that fun and like
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  Speaker 2: she she made me laugh when she made the point
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  Speaker 2: of like what's in the vall, it's in the ball,
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  Speaker 2: it's in the vault, but tell us. I know she's funny.
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  Speaker 2: So I liked it. And then what else happened? Emily
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  Speaker 2: says that she spent a lot of time with Heather
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  Speaker 2: before filming, and she bashed Tamra. Then she acted like
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  Speaker 2: BFFs with Tamra, so it made her look fake. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I actually heard that from a few different people on
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  Speaker 3: the cast that she would say a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: behind my back and we thought we.
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  Speaker 2: Were on good terms. I mean, same Heather, same, just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's the thing, Like I would hear
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  Speaker 3: things like that, So I came back not knowing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: is she my friend or not my friend? So that's
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  Speaker 3: where I was kind of like, you'll see I start
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  Speaker 3: to get a little stand off fish.
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  Speaker 2: With her in the upcoming shows.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I was friends with Jen for a
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  Speaker 3: few years and I witnessed her change herself for a
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  Speaker 3: man and she it's almost like and it's a man
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  Speaker 3: that she's not worth that it's not worthy of her.
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  Speaker 3: And it's hard for me as a friend to watch
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  Speaker 3: somebody date someone and morph into them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she talks like them him, she acts like him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean her her verbiage of I ride with you,
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  Speaker 3: I vibrate at the same level as you.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that's her, that's him, that's not her.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't always deliver my message in the
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  Speaker 3: best package, but it's you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it is what it is. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: to say, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like she deserves better than him. And
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  Speaker 3: I went through a bad marriage, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: why it's such a tough spot for me, Like when
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  Speaker 3: Vicky was going through it with Brooks, and I could
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  Speaker 3: spot it and trust me at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be wrong about this.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think there's anything like when you were
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  Speaker 2: first in your bad marriage. Do you think there's anything
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  Speaker 2: your friends could have said to you to change what
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  Speaker 2: you were in or you have to learn it for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Now, well, I had kids with him, so it was
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  Speaker 3: in the easiest for me to get out, but I
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  Speaker 3: knew that I need it out and I'm my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Were honest with me, and I was honest with them,
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  Speaker 3: even my family was I didn't try to hide and
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  Speaker 3: protect him and oh it's okay, but he also didn't
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  Speaker 3: cheat on me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then we need to go over to her
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  Speaker 2: watch What Happens Live because listen.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: She got the batteries in her backpack because she she
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: did more in this and she did the entire season.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing I from watching jin from what
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I have never met her, but watching her, she's the
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: likable person to watch. Yeah. That being said, when they
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: panned to Ryan in the audience with his dick pit hat,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: with his dick pit big hat and Andy's face, it's
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: just I recognize that Andy's face when he is so
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: just like, oh turned off his cringe at that. Him
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: trying to promote the hat in that moment made me
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: so uncomfortable. I was like, oh, no, Ryan.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Like Mike, the collar popped up and the hat, it's like, oh,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: it was so cringey. Like So when Tamburn gives you
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: limons they make lemonade, and he holds up the dick
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: pic hat I have heard. She's humiliated by this. This
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: was not her idea. It is his idea, and he's
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: pushing it on her.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you could tell almost when he held up the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: dig pic thing like she holds herself back, like, oh shit,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: what she would.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Be a better housewife without him because what she holds back.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Hopefully watching this back, you know she's going to realize
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: some things that he isn't you know that? It looks
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to me like, and I don't know him, but from
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: what I am seeing, he looks like he's trying to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: be an opportunist. I think you said it. Oh my god.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: For sure, he's been trying to get a hat business
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: off the ground since he started to come to cut Fitness.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So but also if you have a therapist that goes
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: hold on, what is the noise? I journal about that? Wait?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: You journaled about what? How many noises in your head?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: What did you journal about? Is this what they always
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: do when they go in there?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Apparently? Then Andy plays a game called Let's Get Judgie,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and he said, what is one way Tamara can approve
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: improve as a friend, and Jen says, to be a friend.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I was a friend to her, like I was such
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a good friend to her.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm so turned off when she started lying
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and saying all these things that were not true.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: And then she said, do you think I do like that?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: She said, what do you think Tamara and Eddie could
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: have done it anything better or different to have kept
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: cut fitness open? She says, no, Okay, so she didn't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: shade your business, which I appreciate. Then what is something
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: about Tamor's marriage to Eddie that doesn't sit right with her?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Jen says she should schedule more sex. I think she
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: was just trying to be funny. I don't know. I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: don't understand that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I don't remember ever having I might have had a
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: sex talk with her on the show. I did because
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I remember saying, you know, thirteen years into it, we're
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: not banging like teenagers anymore, but we're good, We're good
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: about us.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I this is one part. I appreciate sex scheduling,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: as you guys know. Well, yeah, I said.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I've said that on camera, not on camera on the podcast.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I think about scheduling sex.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: So I feel like she hears soundbites and she tries
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: to use them.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And then who is more fit? I don't necessarily love
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: this question in general. I probably I probably what I answered.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We're both fit in different ways. We both look great,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: we both look hard. And then how is camera different
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: on camera than she is off? Jen says, drastically different.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: She said when she is on camera she drinks, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: when she drinks she turns it up. This I can say,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you're drastically different on camera versus
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: off camera like Potter, but I think you and me
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: both are very different when we're drunk. We're all different
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: when we're drunk, like, we're all different. I don't have
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: But when she did drink, she had like a like
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a diet coke and malib That's yeah, Now she even
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: drinks what he drinks. I'm telling you Apple and Malibu,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's what I drank when I love that. I
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: was about to say, that's what I drank when I
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: was a teenager. I thought you said when I was pregnant.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But I have never had a diet coke and Malibu,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and that actually sounds disgusting to me. I've had Malibu
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: my life. Malibu pineapple. Is it sounds like a lot
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of sugar. Of course it is. Well, diet coke is
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of preservatives. But you know how I feel
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: about when I'm at horse shows. I can't help myself.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I love a diet. Doctor Pepper, you know you get upset?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Do you just did the VICKI gag?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Because Doctor Pepper is like disgusting? Well, you know what
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I could do before doctor pepp her.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Then she says, what's the shadiest thing Tamera said to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Jen about Shannon? And Jen says that Shannon is an alcoholic?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, I've never had this conversation with her.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: She took this off the boat. Remember on the boat
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: when I called her a drunk or something like that, That's.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: What she did. So that was a that was a
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: low blow right there.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And even for Shannon, like why bring that up after
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: she already knows it's a touchy subject and it has
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: already been played on air. So I was like that,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: that's that's a dick move right there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: What do you have to say about saying that now
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in hindsight, about Shannon drinking too much? Yeah, that I
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have said it all right, you You just made
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the same face that you made in the scene with
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Vicky and Shannon when you were alluding to the fact
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that I ever had brought Shannon. Oh my gosh. Okay.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Then the last thing is Jen is asked what her
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: reaction was to Shannon, saying, you may be an idiot,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: but you have to figure it out on your own.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: In regards to her relationship with Ryan, and Jen says
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Shannon was surprising for her since she has been warned
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: about Shannon from Tamra for so long. Okay, so this
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is where I'm confused.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I did not warn Jen about one person on
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the show. This has even come out of Jen's mouth,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and this is another way that I can prove to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: you that she has a weird relationship with the truth
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: aka liar. When she got cassed on the show, she
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: asked me about everybody. Shannon had never even heard Jen's name.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Jen had never even heard Shannon's name.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: There wasn't a conversation. That wasn't the kind of friend
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I was with Jen. She came in, she worked out
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: on my gym, not set. When she got cast, she
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: asked me and I said, you know what I'm not
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: going to say anything. I want you to make your
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: own decision based on your time with that person into story.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Jenna even publicly said that recently.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I can say something exciting that I learned is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that Andy's favorite number one second hand items in the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: clubhouse are you're used implants two sets. But then he's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this actually worried me. I started like checking my own tits.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: He said that one of them dried out. Oh oh,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: it did that? Oh you know what?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I think it was the saline one one the first ones.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: They're bigger silicons, the second or saline, because when I
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: gave him to him, I had had him out for
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, four months or so, and I was
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: looking at it. I'm like, the water's evaporating, but it was.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It was blowing up like a balloon, like.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: A canal action really small. Oh it is small. Yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like it looks like it's like soon it's just gonna
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: be plastic, isn't that? Isn't that scary? That well? That
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that's why I was like, good thing, I've got my
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: natrel implants that are might I.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Don't know if that was some see weird that was
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: giving me like autoimmune issues because the other implant that
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: was removed state intact. This one, the sailine inside of
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: it was evaporating, but the but it was ballooning out
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: getting hard.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: So it's a chemical reaction. Oh my gosh. Okay. So
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: then the last thing that we need to talk about,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: which is actually something that was happening to me while
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you were gone, was these leaked. So there was somebody
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: on Twitter that leaked the text messages that were shown
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: at the Real Housewives of New Jersey that reunion that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Jacqueline wrote to Jackie about Teresa, and it was shared
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: on the reunion and then by the way, they deleted
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the tweet finally after I but like there was you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: something like one hundred thousand views, which meant I got
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dms of people not getting that they
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: were trying to make a joke about it and saying
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that I said these terrible things about Sutton, and you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I can be an asshole, but I don't talk like that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: You don't talk like that. That's why I don't talk
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like that. And I'm not somebody that would say those things.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And the part that I love the most is that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: even though Sutton and I are not. You know, we're
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not the best of pals. I put something on my
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Instagram that just said, you know, it was the tweet,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and I just said, clearly, I never said this about
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Sutton Strack. Twitter do better. This was a text stone
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in the Real Housewives New Jersey reunion. I get that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: whoever posted thought they were being funny, but fifty percent
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of the people didn't realize it was a joke. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: once again people came for me for something I didn't do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And I tagged Sutton and I didn't assume for her
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to write back, but this is this made me appreciate Sutton.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: She wrote back the little kiddy face, laughing, and then
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: she wrote me in a boob job question mark, haha,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: how funny.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Within the account, then tweeted for the who can't tell
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: it's a joke, it's a joke.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well Candace Dillard even no, Well, she
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: sent me a text and she's like, girl, Sutton's my girl.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: But I'm ready for you to get back on the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: show and give some reads and like my reads would
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: be better than that, and we shall see.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, friend, Whitfield was almost on vander Pump Rules
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: it was a massive fan. I was a massive fan
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills because my best friend's mom was on it,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and that would be your friend, Lisa vander Pump. I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: friends with Pandora and actually, back in the day when
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: they were starting vander Pump Rules, they were like, we
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: are starting the show, would you maybe want to think
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: about being on it? I was like, well, I do
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: have to quit my job at the PR firm and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: work to work out a restaurant.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I think I made out with that manager Peter once.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Make out with Peter, I don't know.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: He must have some kind of magic power and gettings. Yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: but once at Halloween party in two thousand and six,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: when I read that, I thought, I feel like Brenn
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: was born in.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Two thousand and six. She's not that old.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I told Lisa and Pandy I would never do a reality.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: TV like that is so trashy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: The second I got it, Pandy screenshot at it and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: was like, really, bitch.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm poor, so she never really want
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to be on really TV. But hey, she's honest. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: need the money. I need the money, honey.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: You know what, well, I know you uplifting your life
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: from New York, to move to la to quit a
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: PR job, to work at a rest, work at a restaurant.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It's a lot, It's a lot. Well. I also saw
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: today that Arianna is refusing to film with Tom Sandoval,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and I feel like this is not going to ultimately
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: end well for her. I also saw a bunch of things, Oh,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I like try you dodged one of the questions also,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and watch What Happens Live when you said you'd be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: too old to be friends with. But either way, Kristen duty,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's duty, dowdy, Christian duty. Her nails says
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: on dooty Kristin dowdy, fine, fine dody, it's dooty, doody,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Dooty's like poop dooty. I don't know. I don't like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Kristen from that Green Dress from Sandoval has a lot
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to say about James Kennedy and how everybody has come
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to support him and to so that they can all
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: attack Sandoval, and I just feel like this season is
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: going to get a little dicey, especially when cast members
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: refuse to film. Yeah, that never works out either. I'm
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: worried it's going to backfire.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But the thing is even if you refuse to film, like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: don't say it, don't don't put it out there that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I'm refuse, like be in the room and don't engage
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: if anything. But by the way, I will say, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: would love to be BFFs with Lalla because I love her,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: But to be Terracey Vegas with her and James Kennedy, Yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think that gonna work out.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah we anyways, Okay. The only thing I can think
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of was I'm too old for that. Yeah, I know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That's why I was like, you gave it a good
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: dodge and we yeah. Yeah, because I want that to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: be their mothers. Yeah. We do have another headline, which
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: is people curious about the thousand dollars lawsuit against Drew
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Sidora that keeps coming up on Real Housewife of Atlanta. Monique,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the person filing the claim against Drew was a pro say,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: which is acting as her own attorney, which is likely
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: due to the small amount of money involved. And then
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: essentially both Drew and Monique are representing themselves. They've written,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: they're both written their statements.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: This is comic hold to me, because it costs more
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: money to file than to get the money. I mean
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're in a small claims court because it's
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: undred three thousand dollars, but oh my god, just but.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, also, I really feel like if we're talking
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: about one thousand dollars and if Monique what we're learning,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: what we learned is Monique is best friends with Drew's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: assistant of like eighteen years. It seems like to me
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: she came over to shadow. First, she tried to come
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: over as a chef Drew's saying that there was a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: hair in it. Monique then said she still wanted another
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: job and another capacity, so she came to Shadow Danielle.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She helped nanny for the kids. Blah blah blah. She
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: reached out to Ralph allegedly asked for money. Ralph paid
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: her one hundred and fifty bucks for the day. Then
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: she said owed a thousand. But I'm going to read
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the whole thing because it's so so stupid.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: But there is a moral thing about lawsuits, and our
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: legal system just sucks so bad here in California. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: don't know about other states, but people can see you
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and then you have to hire an attorney,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and you have to pay the bills, and you have
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: to go to court and take time off, and it
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: is stressful.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You put your hands in front of a judge and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: if you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Lose, you might have to pay their legal Like it's
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: ridiculous the way it works, and she probably is just
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I'd be stressed too. It's a thousand I mean I
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: was in a million dollar lawsuit. Can imagine my legal
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: fees for five hundred thousand.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Dollars and neither of them hired lawyers. That's to the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: level it was. And then in the end of the day,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: it looks like with the judgment it takes nothing from
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: both sides, so it's like just a wat waste of time.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It's over. I like you would be the least one
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to actually be able to graduate from law school or
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: pass the bar as well. I mean I learned at
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: what this means.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I learned a lot just going through a lawsuit.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of people go after people
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: legally because they know it's such a process and it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: so draining mentally, physically, emotionally and financially that people pay
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: them off. And people do this for a living. They
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: will go after you and try to find a reason
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: to sue you and then they are expecting you to
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: pay them off. Well, I'll take you know, fifty thousand.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But also here's the thing. This is if you pre
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: negotiate an amount, this kind of thing doesn't happen. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: for anybody that's going to go work for anybody. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like before I hire a babysitter, a nanny, somebody to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: give me a massage, whatever the situation is, I ask,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: what is your rate? Right right? Because that like for example,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like with glam, would some glam will charge
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you five hundred dollars fifty yeah, and I have Then
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: if I wait and have somebody just do my glam
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and then I get an invoice for fifteen hundred dollars,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be pissed, right if I dolt. Yeah, it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: my unfault. It's all advance. It's like me accidentally buying
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the sweatshirt yesterday. That's not even that cute because I
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: was freezing at this meeting I was at and it
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: was two hundred dollars too. Oh my god, I was freezing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I was by so I was in a white dress
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and I was like tantage freezing, Okay, So I just
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: ran and grabbed it and then I got signed the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: thing and it said two hundred and forty eight dollars.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I almost had a mental break.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: This is a airport sweatshirt because I went to New
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: York in my skims long dress and a jean jacket. Right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I brought a pair of sweats to sleep. It just
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: sweat sweatpants and a tiny little tank top.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So that's what I slept in.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Well, after two days in the skims dress, going on
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the airplane yesterday, I thought, I'm just wearing my sweats literally,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a tiny tank top and sweats, and I have my
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: jean jacket on and it wasn't very warm and it
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: was uncomfortable.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: So I went to the airport what do you call
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: it store and.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Got a twenty five dollars hoodie, which I thought was
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: quite a steal.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That is yours?
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  Speaker 3: What five dollars in mine? Yeah, and this is what
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  Speaker 3: I wore on the flight. How my black sweats and
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  Speaker 3: this black sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I love it. Thank you guys for tuning in today.
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  Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow with another episode of two
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  Speaker 2: Teas and a Pod to recap all the things I
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  Speaker 2: talk to. Then Tam mhm