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Normally Podcast: Why the Democratic Party is Losing Touch with Voters · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on. Normally, the show is normal.
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  Speaker 1: It takes for when the news gets weird. I am
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  Speaker 1: Mary catherin.
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  Speaker 2: Hamp And I'm Carol Marcowitt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mary Catherine. You were on a very interesting trip
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I had a very meaningful Memorial Day weekend, which I
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  Speaker 1: always try to have a grateful and great Memorial Day
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  Speaker 1: weekend because it is a solemn holiday on top of
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  Speaker 1: being the kickoff of summer. But I was in a
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  Speaker 1: position to really appreciate the sacrifices of our soldiers from
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  Speaker 1: years gone by because I was in Poland for a
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  Speaker 1: tour of several of the death camps. Not to start
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  Speaker 1: us off on a really dark foot this morning, but
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  Speaker 1: it was a very overwhelming trip. It's hard to think
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  Speaker 1: the human psyche is not great, even at taking in
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  Speaker 1: one or two deaths of people you know close to you,
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  Speaker 1: and then to try to absorb the truth of what
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  Speaker 1: truly happens. There is a lot for one weekend, but
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  Speaker 1: it did make me think even more about those who
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  Speaker 1: gladly and bravely went to fight against those horrors during
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  Speaker 1: World War Two. My grandparents were among them. Thankfully did
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  Speaker 1: not lose their lives in that war, which is why
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  Speaker 1: I'm here today. It was incredibly disturbing and moving, and
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  Speaker 1: there were of course stories of survival and the righteous
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  Speaker 1: among the nations helping out. We visited the Warsaw Zoo,
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  Speaker 1: where the zoo keeper and his wife saved more than
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  Speaker 1: three hundred Jews during the Holocaust by having them stay
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  Speaker 1: in their basement and be shipped off to other places
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  Speaker 1: in Poland. I know you've been to Poland before. Just
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  Speaker 1: a very h just truly a sad story of a
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  Speaker 1: nation where so many Jews and Catholics in the way
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  Speaker 1: that it was possible to coexist in the early twentieth century,
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  Speaker 1: had actually found ways to do that in certain places,
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  Speaker 1: and then the whole n just gets overrun and exterminated,
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  Speaker 1: not just Jews, but like millions and millions of Catholics
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  Speaker 1: as well in Poland, and then they get the Communists.
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  Speaker 1: Like it is. It a very sad story of a
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  Speaker 1: nation torn apart. It is, and also a lovely place
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  Speaker 1: now by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved Warsaw. I thought it was a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: little city.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and fairly prosperous at this point too, because of
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  Speaker 1: some free market inclinations of that country versus other places
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  Speaker 1: in Europe, but the current events tie in. Unfortunately, there
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  Speaker 1: is one is that as I was flying to this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very intentional tour to take in this sad history.
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  Speaker 1: On my layover, I heard about the murder of too
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  Speaker 1: young Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, d C. Which just
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  Speaker 1: adds another layer of well, this is what we're learning about,
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  Speaker 1: clearly an act of political terrorism perpetrated by a man
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  Speaker 1: from Chicago who's a lefty anti Zionist activist and decided
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  Speaker 1: that the way to express that was to cold blooded
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  Speaker 1: murder to young, promising Jewish people in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: On the street.
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  Speaker 2: So what's interesting is actually the man that was murdered
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  Speaker 2: is a Christian. And I feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people don't realize that, but he is an Israeli Christian.
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  Speaker 2: He served in the IDF, but he was raised a
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  Speaker 2: Christian and he was pretty committed to his Christianity. The
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  Speaker 2: ambassador made a comment about him being a dedicated Christian.
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  Speaker 2: What I think people need to get about that and
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  Speaker 2: why I think it's important to mention that they weren't
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  Speaker 2: both Jews, is this is not going to just come
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  Speaker 2: for Jews. And while I am very, very worried about
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  Speaker 2: the rise of anti Semitism in America, I've been worried
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  Speaker 2: about this for a good, you know, decade plus, I
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  Speaker 2: think what people need to really see here is leftist
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  Speaker 2: violence is growing, and it is. Yes, it targets right
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  Speaker 2: now Jews or you know, quote unquote Zionist, which is
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  Speaker 2: just people who have the belief that Israel should exist,
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  Speaker 2: which could be anybody. Really. I think even people who
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  Speaker 2: I've heard kind of you know, be on the anti
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  Speaker 2: Israel side, ultimately a lot of them think Israel should
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  Speaker 2: exist anyway, and they are Zionists. Therefore, so this kind
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  Speaker 2: of violence is spreading. I wrote about.
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  Speaker 1: It for The Post a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: I called it, you know, assassination culture, the killing of
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  Speaker 2: the healthcare CEO in the street, and you know, the
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  Speaker 2: killer being celebrated. All of that is puts us in
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  Speaker 2: a really dangerous place.
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  Speaker 1: When you can kill people on the.
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  Speaker 2: Street because you don't like their opinions and then be
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  Speaker 2: celebrated for it, it will create more copycats, it will
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  Speaker 2: create more danger for us. All So again, while yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know it, obviously I see it. I see problems
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  Speaker 2: for Jews. I think it's a real problem for all Americans,
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  Speaker 2: and I well that people see it that way.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that's important too. And in the official
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  Speaker 1: channels and in the neutral channels where people would you know,
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  Speaker 1: should and condemn these things, you get you know, the
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  Speaker 1: ilhan Omars of the world. Yeah, who say nothing and
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  Speaker 1: walk away. She's just not going to comment on that.
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  Speaker 1: You get very mainstream, like just elite college professors and
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  Speaker 1: stuff applauding this action, justifying this action, or in places
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  Speaker 1: like CNN, you get reporting that says like we can't
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  Speaker 1: find any evidence of leftist extremism, like it doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: But to your point, when people gather under the banner
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  Speaker 1: of Hamas or has Bela, Hamas and Hesbla are not
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  Speaker 1: just dedicated to the extermination of the Jews, although that
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  Speaker 1: is their first priority. It is about overtaking all of us.
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  Speaker 1: That is the express value of a hezbolah or a Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: That's that that is their mission. So that's a that's
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  Speaker 1: a great point. Absolutely, just the very sad story your
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  Speaker 1: own Litchinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram were their names, by
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  Speaker 1: all accounts, just lovely people who are perhaps just about
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  Speaker 1: engaged to be about to be engaged to be married, and.
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  Speaker 2: She was a Peacenik, which is another you know frame
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  Speaker 2: to this is they keep killing the piece necks, they
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  Speaker 2: keep killing the people that want to figure out a
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  Speaker 2: way to live together. And you know this idea that
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  Speaker 2: they're just killing, you know, China Sidle Zionists, they're they're
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  Speaker 2: really killing people who want the best for Palestinians. I
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  Speaker 2: always like to say Israeli's care about Palestinians more than
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian leadership does.
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  Speaker 1: This another example of that, another example of that. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, this will make your blood boil in a
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  Speaker 1: very special way. The morning that we went to alshwitzen Berkenal,
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  Speaker 1: the spot on which one point three million people were murdered,
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  Speaker 1: about twenty minutes from there, I stay, not a long
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  Speaker 1: car drive from there in crackout on the town square,
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  Speaker 1: we were sort of decompressing as a group after this
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  Speaker 1: very heavy morning. And you know, several days of this
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  Speaker 1: trip and there was a you know, pro Homas, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: free Palestine march through the crackout Poland public square, and
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  Speaker 1: I just it really in that moment crystallizes this is
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  Speaker 1: why Israel must and will exist forever. Like you ran
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  Speaker 1: them out of Israel, they go to Poland, you exterminate
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  Speaker 1: them from Poland. And then the lefties on campuses here
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  Speaker 1: brilliantly are like, you guys just got to go back
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  Speaker 1: to your homeland in Poland, like right, because there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole group of people still in this place, thirty minutes
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  Speaker 1: from Auschwitz, who are like, I don't like when the
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  Speaker 1: Jews fight back, yeah, just boldly proclaiming they may have
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  Speaker 1: there were some words between their group and ours. Oh
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  Speaker 1: really so still little but you know, was a guy
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  Speaker 1: Benson was a guy Benson's we're in trouble. No, he
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  Speaker 1: but he wished he was there because he did not
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  Speaker 1: get to engage in that. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it was the same group, but I saw reports of
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  Speaker 1: of propolsity and protesters being inside a synagogue shouting down
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  Speaker 1: a Jewish event at a senegag. There's like thirteen Jews
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  Speaker 1: left in Poland, like and still they cannot engage in
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  Speaker 1: just having a public event. No they can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very it's a hard place to get to,
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  Speaker 1: but it is a and a hard experience, but one
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  Speaker 1: that I recommend for really, I mean, as much as
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  Speaker 1: you know on paper when you see it, it's, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, very much clarifies the reason that that a
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  Speaker 1: place where the Jews can be in defend themselves and
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  Speaker 1: live in harmony with those who choose to live in
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  Speaker 1: Israel as this Christian man did and make make that
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  Speaker 1: country his love and his cause is just so important.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely well. This is actually isn't one of our official
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  Speaker 2: topics for today. This is just the intro to the
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  Speaker 2: normally program Democrats, Mary Catherine, how are they doing?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Not great? There was a new New York
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  Speaker 1: Times piece illustrating just I feel like every week there's
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  Speaker 1: new data or new crunching of data, but illustrates to
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  Speaker 1: the left like a giant flashing red sign, the things
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  Speaker 1: you are doing are not working. The things you are
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  Speaker 1: doing are being rejected by the very people you claim
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  Speaker 1: to want to help. I mean, in huge numbers. They
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  Speaker 1: can tell themselves all day, as we discussed last week,
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  Speaker 1: that you know, they're doing this for working class and minorities.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why they're so special and good is that
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  Speaker 1: they make they want to make life better for those
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  Speaker 1: other people, and those exact groups are saying no right,
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  Speaker 1: and people listen to them. In this New York Times
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  Speaker 1: piece goes into over a couple of elections, how the
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  Speaker 1: vast majority of counties in this country have moved notably
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  Speaker 1: right over three elections. Right, and that is that's a
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  Speaker 1: bad sort of thing here.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just this last election, it was the last
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  Speaker 2: three that have seen a real shift to the right
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  Speaker 2: in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it says, this is Shane Goldknocker reporting this all told.
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  Speaker 1: Trump has improved every election in fourteen hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: three of the nation's thirty one hundred plus counties, even
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  Speaker 1: when he lost in twenty twenty, Democrats have expanded their
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  Speaker 1: votes share continuously in only fifty seven counties. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: the demographics of those counties are exactly what you would
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  Speaker 1: expect if you're us, right, but not what their self
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  Speaker 1: conception is. It's just like very elite, affluent, very liberal places.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, It's just not. Yes, I say, three of
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  Speaker 1: the fourteen hundred Trump counties have a median household income
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  Speaker 1: above one hundred thousand. Eighteen of the fifty seven Democratic
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  Speaker 1: counties had a medium income above one hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he notes in not one of the triple
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  Speaker 2: trending Trump counties did. A majority of adults have a
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  Speaker 2: college degree, which is quite significant, and in the fifteen
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  Speaker 2: hundred counties with the smallest portion proportion of college graduates,
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  Speaker 2: only one steadily voted more Democratic. Over the last three elections,
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  Speaker 2: Trump has solidified this working class base and Democrats really
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  Speaker 2: don't seem to know what.
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  Speaker 1: To do about it.
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  Speaker 2: And look, we've said it on the show plenty of times.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's enjoyable right now to watch the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: scramble around and not know what they're doing. But this
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  Speaker 2: can all change. This is not we are not like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: Republicans are going to win forever and Democrats are never
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  Speaker 2: going to win again, because I feel like that's what
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  Speaker 2: happens when one party is doing significantly better than the others.
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  Speaker 2: Of the conversation, I don't want to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of that because I find that so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: The Democrats will return.
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  Speaker 2: It is not under the Democrats. But it is kind
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  Speaker 2: of fun right now just seeing where.
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  Speaker 1: A small counterpoint to that, because I you're exactly right,
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  Speaker 1: things will swing Democrats. I mean, Republicans will overplay their hands,
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  Speaker 1: and I think they have less leeway for doing that
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  Speaker 1: than Democrats do because they the Democrats have the press
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  Speaker 1: to laud them and the Republicans do not. Right, but
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  Speaker 1: we have seen a significant shift in the like sort
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  Speaker 1: of generic ballot and how people identify all over Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen these counties flip to red in registration and
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  Speaker 1: there's a continued effort led by Scott Presler to continue
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  Speaker 1: that in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. So they are real
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, like structural gains being made. The other
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  Speaker 1: point that might save the Republicans for themselves from themselves
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  Speaker 1: when this eventually happens, when the Democrats sort of like
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  Speaker 1: swing back. The other way is that the good governments
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  Speaker 1: in places like Florida, Georgia, Texas as compared to California,
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  Speaker 1: New York, the places where the abundance Democrats are now
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  Speaker 1: screaming like maybe we should make things I don't know
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  Speaker 1: work here. What has happened is that those places in
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  Speaker 1: the South and in well governed Republican states have become
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  Speaker 1: a magnet for so many people that when you start
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  Speaker 1: doing the census assessments in twenty thirty, it gets a
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  Speaker 1: lot harder for Democrats to win a presidency because so
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  Speaker 1: many people will have moved to states that are more
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  Speaker 1: inclined to be read, and once they're there, if they
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  Speaker 1: encounter good governance from Republicans, they tend not to want
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  Speaker 1: to California, There, Georgia exactly. So that is that's a
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  Speaker 1: real structural issue for Democrats that is coming down the pike.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and one more point to that is that all
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  Speaker 1: the brain drain from Northeast and mid Atlantic folks who
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  Speaker 1: used to send their kids to the Northeast in ivys
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  Speaker 1: for school and no longer either can or want to
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  Speaker 1: because of the way that admissions works. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: those very smart and promising young people are going to
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  Speaker 1: the South to get their education and then they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I like it here. Yeah, right, So it's gonna snowball, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of writing and thinking on the
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty census not being correct.
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  Speaker 1: So it was not right.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be really something to see in twenty
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  Speaker 2: thirty when we do have a real census where we
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  Speaker 2: see where people have ended up, and it's blue. States
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  Speaker 2: are going to lose Congressional seats in California and New
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  Speaker 2: York are definitely poised to lose. Some other states are
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  Speaker 2: going to lose them as well. What that will mean
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  Speaker 2: for eventual Democrat comeback remains to be seen. Adam Gentilsen
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  Speaker 2: he was a former Fetterman chief of staff. He also
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  Speaker 2: worked for Harry Reid. He tweeted about this article everyone
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  Speaker 2: should read and absorb this candidate quality and breaks kept
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  Speaker 2: Dems barely above water for a while, Biden winning by
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  Speaker 2: forty five thousand boats, et cetera. But now we're getting
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  Speaker 2: swamped by the fundamentals. People simply do not like what
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  Speaker 2: we're offering. If Democrats take that line seriously, then they
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  Speaker 2: will make a comeback sooner than later. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that they take it seriously. I'm not sure that they
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  Speaker 2: are willing to absorb that lesson. I think that they're
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  Speaker 2: at the moment still kind of licking their wounds and
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  Speaker 2: feeling like will figure this out and they will like
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  Speaker 2: what we're selling eventually.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's going to work out for them.
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  Speaker 1: Wesley Ying posted.
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  Speaker 2: He posted the coloradens will be mandated by law to
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  Speaker 2: bear the cost of cheek implants, lip augmentation, knows jobs, yes,
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  Speaker 2: implants for men who are trying to be women, and
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  Speaker 2: he notes the Democrat you know, everyone said the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: will have to moderate on this issue. It's eighty twenty issue.
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  Speaker 2: They can't fight public opinion forever, and wes le Yank
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  Speaker 2: says no.
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  Speaker 1: They will literally mandate.
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  Speaker 2: Every public accommodation in the state must use the preferred
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  Speaker 2: pronoun of anyone claiming to be a cross sex identity,
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  Speaker 2: strip custody from parents who don't agree that their artistic
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  Speaker 2: daughter who fell down a TikTok rabbit hole and believe
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  Speaker 2: she's a boy is actually a boy, and force every
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  Speaker 2: citizen to pay for the cheek implants of any man
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  Speaker 2: who wants to feminize his face. Democrats are refusing to
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  Speaker 2: moderate on issues like this, and we're going to see
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  Speaker 2: what happens with that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is actually insane, by the way, just
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  Speaker 1: so patently insane. By the way, there's plenty of like
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  Speaker 1: perimenopausal and menopausal women who would be glad to take
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you up on this publicly subsidized right laser treatments and
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  Speaker 1: chick plants, Like what is happening that you I'm presumably,
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  Speaker 1: because this is all subjective, if you lived in Colorado
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  Speaker 1: and you were just a woman who felt like you
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  Speaker 1: wanted some filler, I mean, you could you could, like
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  Speaker 1: I am I am a man or I want to
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  Speaker 1: go the other direction. Here's what But I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: only in Colorado. What if I just visit like I
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  Speaker 1: just need to identify for a certain period of time.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess, once again, this would only really benefit dudes, right,
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  Speaker 1: because the dudes are the ones who get the feminizations surgery.
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  Speaker 1: So if he showed up the other way, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't really work for you. Ah floiled again women, No,
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  Speaker 1: I do think, by the way, Gentlesen who says this
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  Speaker 1: and he's correct, is the same Gentlesen who is in
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  Speaker 1: the New Yorker in that piece blowing up Fetterment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Fetterman is the model for how a purple to
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  Speaker 1: red state Democrat would attract people other than progressive and
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  Speaker 1: by being sort of sensible and outspoken about how sensible
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  Speaker 1: he is on eighty twenty issues. And what does Adam
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  Speaker 1: Jentilsen do. He goes and sabotages that guy because he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like what he says. It's true, like call back,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was the same guy that I
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  Speaker 1: believe that's the same guy. So you have that issue
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  Speaker 1: right where they continue to live in this ecosystem where
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  Speaker 1: if you do veer into non progressive points of view,
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  Speaker 1: which is what the voters would like you to do,
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be someone to come around and police you
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  Speaker 1: for that and take you down. So I actually do
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  Speaker 1: think it would be good if this shift means that
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  Speaker 1: Democrats have to learn to compete in Louisiana and Florida.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, if you get your models from there,
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  Speaker 1: they will be healthier models than Nancy Pelosi.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that would be nice, But are the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: doing that? Let's get to our second topic. We'll be
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  Speaker 2: right back on. Normally, the Democrats are poised to spend
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  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars to help them understand men. Now that's
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  Speaker 2: interesting because first of all, I'm not sure twenty million
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  Speaker 2: dollars is going to do it, But second of all,
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  Speaker 2: Trump just outworked them. I think that they're really getting
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  Speaker 2: to where they think there's some magic bullet this whole
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  Speaker 2: We need a liberal Joe Rogan, and all the conservatives
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  Speaker 2: are like, you had a.
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Joe Rogan.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is the liberal Joe Rogan. He offered Kamala
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Harris to have her on the show. She could not
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: do that, so Trump outworked them. He went into all
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: of these communities and said I want your vote, and yes,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he consolidated the mail vote. Because Democrats are on this
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: crazy tear. They've treated masculinity as toxic for so long.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: They've everything all the articles that you and I always
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: joke about. Red meat is maga coded, and liking women
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is maga coded. And if you turn everything that men
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: enjoy into maga coded, they're going to stay maybe on maga.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually very quite simple, as you say, like that,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if you tell a group of voters that you'd like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: whose vote you would like for twenty years, that they're
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: basically just toxic trash, that's the problem with everything in America.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Those people will not want to vote for you, right,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and the left has done that in such aggressive ways
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to men that it No, it doesn't surprise me that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: young men who many of whom couldn't graduate or couldn't
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: go to prom and have been told because of COVID regulations,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that had been told that they are toxic for fifteen
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: years for the entirety of their growing up. Yes, they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: do turn to other sources to to look for someone
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: who I don't know, doesn't hate them. That's that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the quest, right, No.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It seems easy that, you know, don't hate your voters.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. By the way, the dude who's supposed
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to be their savior on this, remember Hassan Piker who
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: we've talked about. Yeah, he was suspended by Twitch over
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the weekend or over last week during the news cycle
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: about that shooting in DC because he's saying things like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's no I don't think this person
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: acted out of an anti sindemitic desire, and he wanted
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to truly understand the very reasonable reasons that someone would
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: murder these two people in the streets.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Because that he doesn't know anything about in the street.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: What can it be.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Just?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I also just think there is a total lack in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: democratic elite and consulting class and people who would be
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: listened to of anyone who is just a right because
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: since they've thought dudeness was toxic for twenty years, they
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: filtered it out. Anyone who moved up the chain was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: not a guy who just likes doing dude things. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think that now they have none, which is why
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: they have to pay twenty million dollars. By the way,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: can I please get paid for that. I have a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: do I have a contract for you in which I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: will give you powerpoints about how these are the things
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that dudes enjoy.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just just like, stop saying that everything
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that they like is bad. I just I can't see
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the same thing for women. Like, you know, if you
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: like this, then you you're you're maga codd. I mean
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we get some of that with the sheet dresses and all. Yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but it's like if they targeted what women enjoy in
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: mass like, if they were like liking Taylor Swift is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: now bad.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it, they would lose women too.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like they don't understand that just coming for
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: everything that women that men enjoy is a problem for them.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: John Hassen summed it up as working out is right wing,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Liking hawk girls is right wing. Eating red and meat
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: his right wing. And he posted the articles He's not
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: just you know, floating these ideas. He posted the articles
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that these are problem from MSNBC, from Newsweek, from the Nation,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and then we need twenty million dollars to understand why
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: young men hate us, Like, I have some clues for
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, By the way, can I point out our buddy,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Clay Travis has a new book out that I just
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: love the concept and the title of so Much Balls,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: How Trump, Young Men and Sports Saved America, which I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: do think is a large part of the story of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, and it's partly just because
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Trump was like, I don't hate y'all. I'm going to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: go talk to the people that you enjoy listening to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and not try to pretend to be something I'm not.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And then David Hogg goes on Bill Maher and is like, hey,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: here's a couple things dudes like, and they were like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: cancel him immediately. I mean, cancel that dude. Yeah, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's like he's barely a dude, you know. He's like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I know, he's the best they've got, and well he's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and he's trying to sha I like the pivot to dude,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Like it's like this, I'm I'm just al, just normal,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: red blooded male. David Hogg, No, you're not right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Clay Travis in twenty seventeen made news when he went
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: on CNN and said the two things he believes in
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: completely are the First Amendment and boobs and if the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Democrats kind of returned to that follow Clay Travis.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I believe I have to look it up, but I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: believe I publicly supported him in that back and forth
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't I don't think this
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is offensive everyone who's fainting on their couch right now,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and also seems like sort of obvious.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he says he was banned from the network after
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: saying that, And you know, he also noted that he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: was banned from the network. But the guy who was
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: caught masturbating on camera, he was brought back.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if I remember correctly, the anchor took great
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: umbrage at this, and I'm just imagining if I had
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: been in the anchor chair, like I would have just
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: laughed right, like it's funny, it's funny, It's okay, it's okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, speaking of boobs, like, let's.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Move into our last topic.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and come right
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: back with Normally, I watched the American Music Awards yesterday,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and I generally I'm not a TV watcher.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: We've talked about it on here before. I don't watch shows,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I don't watch movies. I certainly don't watch award shows.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But yesterday there was this whole thing where I don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: know if people aren't crazy, like the way I live
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with a crazy Taylor Swift fan in my house.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was wondering, like, what's the occasion for the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: casing for this?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: There was this Taylor Swift fans are waiting for her
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to re release a reputation Taylor's Version album, And there
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: was a rumor and Taylor like leaves these breadcrumbs for
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: her fans to follow, and it's this whole thing. And
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: if you're not in the cult, don't join it now,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: is all I would say to you. But my daughter
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: is in the cult, and she had she didn't think
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: she was really gonna happen, but a widespread rumor that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Taylor was going to announce the re release on this show.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: That did not happen, but we watched the whole show.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I have to say, the vibe shift was very real.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Women were dressed very feminine. I think the last few
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: years we've seen less of that. I've tweeted the boobs
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: are back many times over the last years. Boobs appear
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to be truly back. Also, the military were celebrated and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: mentioned a lot. It was Memorial Day. They had a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: large military presence in the crowd, certainly felt different, no
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: political commentary whatsoever. But I should note it was also
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: like a very sealless event. Almost none of the people
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: who want awards actually attended Billie Eilish one eminem One.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: They were not in the crowd.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And so it was interesting because it definitely felt vibe shifty,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: but it also felt like a very low budget event.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: That is interesting to me that a bunch of people
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: didn't show up, And I wonder if some of that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: is just like some of that is just like these
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: old ways of doing things are losing power, right right,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It's just not as special to be at one of
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: these events as it used to be. It's not as
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it's not as powerful, probably partly, probably partly because the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: red carpet is like absolutely diluted with huge numbers of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: influencers that no one really knows, but they have command
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: all these command all these followers, and so like I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: can imagine if you're an a lister and you go
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to like an influencer red carpet, you're like, really, right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm here with these folks, right, so maybe it maybe
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it takes down your motivation to be there in person.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was hosted by Jennifer Lopez, who has not
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: had a great few years. No, no, if that's like
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the peak of what you can get for them.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: That was an interesting choice.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. She changed outfits like twenty times and
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: they were all very very cool outfits. But my fifteen
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: year old said, like, were they all in a group
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: chat together, like you're I'm not going, You're not going
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: what I'm not going, You're not going.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: We're not We're not doing it, guys. So interesting? Okay, well, but.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: You know, boobs in the military, what is not to like.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I do love that they had military folks there. That's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that's cool, and it's so nice to see that b
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: mainstream and not just lip service and to have put
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: some thought into it and to have them in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: crowd is very nice. I agree completely.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That was the only thing worth watching in that terrible show. Well,
• 30:08
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• 30:11
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• 30:15
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• 30:18
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