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Normally Podcast: Landmark Malpractice Ruling Shakes Gender-Affirming Care for Minors · Normally

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Speaker 1: Normally normal takes, but when the movie gets weird, I
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Speaker 1: am the.
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Speaker 2: Pic and I am Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing,
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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine?
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Speaker 1: Pretty good? We got got a little case of pink
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Speaker 1: guye in the house. It's not me, it's not me.
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Speaker 1: That's a plus. But how long will it not be me?
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Speaker 1: We'll see. I took the offending child immediately to the
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Speaker 1: doctor to get him immediately medicated so he could be
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Speaker 1: immediately not passing it to everyone in the house fingers crossed.
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Speaker 1: The sheets and pillowcases are in the wash.
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Speaker 2: That's really you know. That's the best you could do here.
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Speaker 2: There's not much more that that's possible. But I wish
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Speaker 2: you peace and containment.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. We'll do our best. Everybody washed their.
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Speaker 2: Hands, everybody extra wash their hands. All right, let's get
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Speaker 2: into it. Our first story is that we had our
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Speaker 2: very first detransitioner case when in court, a New York
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Speaker 2: jury awarded a woman who is now twenty two years old,
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Speaker 2: who sued her psychologist and surgeon because they pushed her,
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Speaker 2: she says, into addressing her gender dysphoria with permanent surgery.
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Speaker 2: She had astectomy because of their urging. A New York
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Speaker 2: jury awarded her two million dollars in the first medical
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Speaker 2: malpractice suit of its kind to go to trial. It
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Speaker 2: is a very big deal and it really does feel
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Speaker 2: like a dam breaking.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and we will talk about the downstream effects of
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Speaker 1: this that are already happening. But Benjamin Ryan, who reports
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Speaker 1: regularly on this stuff, and it's a great follow I
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Speaker 1: believe he is at freak beIN Ryan Writer if you
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Speaker 1: want to follow him on Twitter. But he's somebody who
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Speaker 1: documents this stuff regularly. He writes the t WHI was
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Speaker 1: anchored by emotional testimony from Varian, the young woman and
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Speaker 1: her mother, Claire Deacon. Varian testified that one of her
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Speaker 1: doctors served as an enabler, repeatedly assuring her that the
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Speaker 1: mistectomy she desired would greatly improve her well being. Her
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Speaker 1: mother testified that that same doctor browbeat her into consenting
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Speaker 1: to her daughter's surgery, threatening that she would otherwise commit suicide.
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Speaker 1: And yet the young woman Varian so that she regretted
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Speaker 1: the surgery immediately after removing the bandages. Her mother were
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Speaker 1: called she was still anxious, she was still depressed, She
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Speaker 1: still had all the same issues, some of which even
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Speaker 1: worsened every part of this is all the things that
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Speaker 1: we know have been happening in gender medicine, particularly with minors.
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Speaker 1: This psychologist treated her for years, knew about her depression,
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Speaker 1: knew about her anxiety, knew about a possible autism. Part
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Speaker 1: of this story, nonetheless, just sort of fudges the whole
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Speaker 1: process and pushes her through. Doesn't even put gender dysphoria
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Speaker 1: as the required diagnosis. By the way, in the notes, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: passes her along door a surgeon and look at he split, like,
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Speaker 1: there you go. Meanwhile, like I said, bullying this poor
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Speaker 1: mother who is being yelled at. She said, she testified
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Speaker 1: she was yelled at by the psychologist saying, you're not
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Speaker 1: in reality, mom m. I think she was in reality.
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Speaker 2: She was very much in reality and they were not.
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Speaker 2: And the thing was at the time that there was
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Speaker 2: only one opinion allowed. What was the book that Mary
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Speaker 2: Catherine Hammond guy Benson wrote?
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Speaker 1: End of discussion?
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Speaker 2: It was the end of discussion. It was like, you're
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Speaker 2: not allowed to have any further arguments here. This is
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Speaker 2: the way it's done. This is the way we're going
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Speaker 2: to do it. If you say anything, you're out of line.
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Speaker 2: I'd say this often, but I would used to consider
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Speaker 2: myself somebody who is protrans now, never to get surgery
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Speaker 2: for kids, never to have any medical intervention. But if
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Speaker 2: a little boy thinks that he's a girl. I was
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Speaker 2: very like loose about the idea where I would say,
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Speaker 2: you know, definitely, don't change their name or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: But who cares my son thought he was Batman. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean we turned him into Batman. But now I
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Speaker 2: realize that you can't give these people an inch, because
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Speaker 2: this is where it ends up. I had to call
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Speaker 2: him in the New York Post about this on Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just the people who get surgery. I
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Speaker 2: talked about a the transitioner who had breastbinding and now
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Speaker 2: has lifelong issues, lives in pain in her twenties. Now
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Speaker 2: you know, she says, my upper body is permanently disfigured.
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Speaker 2: The idea that it's just surgery is simply wrong. Other
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Speaker 2: problems they There was a big study about women who
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Speaker 2: took testosterone and now in their twenties have postmenopausal symptoms
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Speaker 2: that are you know, gruesome, and they can't live their
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Speaker 2: lives normally. And so there's all of this medical intervention
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Speaker 2: that the kind of normal people who were just going
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Speaker 2: along with their lives, and would you know a lot
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Speaker 2: of themselves as easy on trends, realize that we can't be.
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Speaker 2: We can't be because this is where it ends up.
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Speaker 1: Well and the reason we can't be. Okay. So, first's
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Speaker 1: there's the thing that the liberal interest groups and causes
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Speaker 1: always do, which is this thing isn't happening. It's only
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Speaker 1: happening a little bit. Oh, you must celebrate that it's happening. Oh,
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Speaker 1: you must pay for it happening, or you're a bigot. Right,
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Speaker 1: this is the process, right, Well, they did that with
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Speaker 1: minor gender transition surgeries and treatment and hormone blocking in
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Speaker 1: all of that, pretended like it wasn't happening, pretended like
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Speaker 1: it was only happening a little bit. It's happened thousands
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Speaker 1: of times to thousands of minors. These are not it's
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Speaker 1: not really in dispute at this point. And after this
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Speaker 1: judgment came down, many predicted that this would open a
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Speaker 1: dam and it seems to have. And the reason is that. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I asked an expert in this who's been following
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Speaker 1: this for a long time, like, why did it take
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Speaker 1: this long to get a metaical malpractice to trial. We
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Speaker 1: are a very religious society. Medical malpractice is a huge
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Speaker 1: deal in our society. And yet this happened. And the
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Speaker 1: reason is because the medical official consensus did not allow
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Speaker 1: for any discussion, it did not allow for dissent. They
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Speaker 1: all with almost no evidence, just said this is what
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Speaker 1: you have to do, this is what you must push
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Speaker 1: people towards. And Ryan notes that the mantra quote all
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Speaker 1: major medical associations support gender affirming care for kids was
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Speaker 1: always a hallowed claim, a hollow claim. What it really
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Speaker 1: meant is that quote a few small committees, that a
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Speaker 1: few organizations decided to support this in part because of
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Speaker 1: one another, and all the other small committees at all
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Speaker 1: the other organizations followed their lead. But that meant that
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Speaker 1: you created this false consensus. And then one broke the pack.
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Speaker 1: This week it was the American Society of Plastic Surgeons
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Speaker 1: said nope, this is not recommended for young people. And
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Speaker 1: then National Review called up the American Medical Association and
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Speaker 1: they were also, like the AMA, agrees with the ASPS
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Speaker 1: that surgical interventions and minors should be generally deferred to adulthood.
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Speaker 1: This is a major shift, and it shatters this fake
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Speaker 1: consensus that existed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the stats that I came up with
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Speaker 2: in my column was at thirty seven hundred American adolescents
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Speaker 2: age twelve to eighteen underwent surgical interventions due to gender
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Speaker 2: dysphoria diagnosis between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, So thirty
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Speaker 2: seven hundred kids in the USA in just those four years.
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Speaker 2: And I had comments on X of people being like,
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Speaker 2: only thirty seven hundred and we're making such a big
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Speaker 2: deal about this. We cut off breasts off of healthy
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Speaker 2: teenage girls because they were delusional and thought they could
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Speaker 2: become boys, and their medical professionals around them enforced that like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: thirty seven hundred people is quite a lot.
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Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, when you are literally intentionally impairing maybe people's
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Speaker 1: bodies with your medical degree, yes, that is a problem,
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Speaker 1: and there are thousands of them. I am shocked that
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Speaker 1: it took us this long to get here, and that
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Speaker 1: this sort of circular logic of yes, this is the
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Speaker 1: treatment with almost no evidence survived this long. Part of
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Speaker 1: it is the societal psychosis of twenty twenty to twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and it made it very hard to question
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Speaker 1: these things. But I appreciate all the people who did,
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Speaker 1: particularly Abigail Schreyer, who wrote one of the early accounts
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Speaker 1: of how this was becoming a social contagent because there
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Speaker 1: is a small percentage that experienced gendernice for you in
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Speaker 1: a real way as young kids, right, that is diagnosable,
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Speaker 1: but it was vanishingly small numbers and boys until it
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Speaker 1: became a social contagent. And Abigail Shier wrote Irreversible Damage,
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Speaker 1: which was actually a banned book, not the fake band
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Speaker 1: books that left say when we take them out of
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Speaker 1: like elementary school libraries. Yeah, this is an actually banned
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Speaker 1: book that they took off of Amazon at one point
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Speaker 1: to attempt to stop the distribution of it. So I
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Speaker 1: always appreciate people like her having done that. By the way,
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Speaker 1: at this lawsuit, Benjamin Ryan notes that at one point
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Speaker 1: one of them, the president elect of World Professional Association
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Speaker 1: for Transgender Health wit PATH, which is the organization that
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Speaker 1: created this consensus, was like, yeah, they really pushed this
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Speaker 1: real fast, and it did not contain went beyond even
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Speaker 1: what this pro trans organization was doing. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: psychologist and this really makes me angry about psychologists taking
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Speaker 1: care of young people who have real problems. The psychologist's
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Speaker 1: first note after she noted her gender fluidity was that
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Speaker 1: he needed to look into what needs to happen to
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Speaker 1: have top surgery. That was the first note on gender sickstic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of it too. Obviously, Again that's just surgeries. There's
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Speaker 2: been so much other harm done to people. The thing
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Speaker 2: is that they lead them to believe that they could
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Speaker 2: change their biological sex, and you just never can. So
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Speaker 2: you could dress as the opposite gender, you can call
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Speaker 2: yourself by a different name, you can't change your sex.
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Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of these people go
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Speaker 2: into this not realizing that, thinking that they will become
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Speaker 2: a boy because they cut off their breasts, and when
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Speaker 2: they don't, when they inevitably don't, I think that's what
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Speaker 2: causes people to get into an even deeper depression. And
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of studies that show that they get
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Speaker 2: even more suicidal.
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Speaker 1: So or the idea that any of this is when
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Speaker 1: with informed consent, you hear stories from people who went
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Speaker 1: on testosterone and they're they're told about some real surface
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Speaker 1: issues like oh, your voice will get deeper. Well, also,
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Speaker 1: your larynx is going to thicken and it's going to
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Speaker 1: cause problems. And then the idea that these sort of
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Speaker 1: newly formed neo Genitalia are going to function in the
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Speaker 1: way that you wish they would is is just always
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Speaker 1: seemed like a fantasy to me, as this entire process does.
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Speaker 1: And I look forward to many more medical professionals admitting, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is not the right way.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Will anyone admit that they got this horribly wrong for
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Speaker 1: so long right now, bullied people over it. And I
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Speaker 1: mean imagine us having this conversation in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: by the.
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Speaker 2: Way, Yeah, yeah, our careers would be in trouble. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Bethany Mandela and I had trouble publishing our books Stolen
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Speaker 2: Youth because of the trans chapter. And we're not taking
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Speaker 2: it to mainstream publishers. I'm talking conservative publishers wanted us
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Speaker 2: to cut that chapter. That's where we were just a
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Speaker 2: few years ago.
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Speaker 1: Jeez, well this is it took too long, but it
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Speaker 1: is nice to see people coming to their sense on this.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: With more on normally and Nicki Minaj. Let's just keep
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Speaker 2: talking about Nicki Minaj, be right back.
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Speaker 1: All right back on normally. As Carol said with yet
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Speaker 1: another Nicki Minaj story, because she keeps coming up pro
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Speaker 1: all of the Trump accounts earlier. Now it is voter ID.
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Speaker 1: She tweeted the other day, what sensible, forward thinking, cutting edge,
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Speaker 1: leading nation is having a debate on whether or not
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Speaker 1: there should be voter idea ID, Like they're actually fighting
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Speaker 1: not to have people present ID while voting for your leaders.
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Speaker 1: Do you get it? Do you get it now? So
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Speaker 1: this is all part of a larger discussion about how
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Speaker 1: we run elections. President Trump, in frustration, told Dan Bongino
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Speaker 1: the other day that Republicans need to just take over
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Speaker 1: elections from fifteen states. He did not designate which states
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Speaker 1: they were. Carol Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, was
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Speaker 1: later asked about this because generally the conservative position is
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Speaker 1: that you should not federalize elections, You should not nationalize elections,
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Speaker 1: that those are handled by locals. Caroline Levitt said, I
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Speaker 1: don't know which. She didn't mention which states he was
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Speaker 1: talking about, but she said he is talking about the
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Speaker 1: Save Act, which would require proof of citizenship in person
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Speaker 1: to register to vote instead of the pretty fly by
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Speaker 1: night motor voter and not required to be in person
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Speaker 1: checks in many states. Now, I am not in favor
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Speaker 1: of the nationalizing the elections part, but the voter ID
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Speaker 1: part is not only sensible but hugely popular, which she
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Speaker 1: would easy goal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes no sense, Like I mean, I just
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Speaker 2: feel like the average person will hear the question should
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Speaker 2: we show ID to vote? And it's like, duh, obviously
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Speaker 2: we should show ID to vote. She's show ID for
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Speaker 2: everything else, you know, Come on, And this ongoing extremely
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Speaker 2: racist idea that black people can't get ID for some
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Speaker 2: reason is just ridiculous. They have ID for everything else.
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Speaker 2: You need ID to at your kid's school. You need ID,
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Speaker 2: I mean, to buy alcohol, you need ID to drive,
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Speaker 2: You need ID for everything. Why not for voting?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Also, many were quick to point out that the HR
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Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty one under biden number one priority
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Speaker 1: was that they wanted to nationalize elections. Of course, of course,
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Speaker 1: now they're very mad that Trump has said it. But
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: The nationalizing elections just seems like a bad idea because
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Speaker 2: some states Florida do amazing with their elections and it
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Speaker 2: can't become better nationalizing it. So I don't know that part.
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Speaker 2: I think is just a bad idea for now. But
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Speaker 2: I yeah, we don't do anything that well nationally.
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Speaker 1: No I agree with. What I would do is like
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Speaker 1: a pilot program where Ron de Santis just flies all
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Speaker 1: over the country or Jeff Bush and just explains to people,
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Speaker 1: this is how we do this.
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Speaker 2: What is Jeb up to right now? Just come back?
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Speaker 1: Send him out. Yeah, but I do think this is
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Speaker 1: an interesting case study on how the media will tell you. Actually,
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Speaker 1: the gender stuff is interesting too. In this way, the
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Speaker 1: media will tell you that you are a weirdo for
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Speaker 1: thinking that people should present ID to vote, or that
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Speaker 1: we should know if people are citizens before they vote.
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Speaker 1: And yet Harry inton Over at CNN does a deep
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Speaker 1: dive on the opinions of the American people on this issue.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from him. This is like a two minute clip,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to see the arc of the
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Speaker 1: never changing popularity of this issue.
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Speaker 3: Voter i D, just so people understand, is the idea
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Speaker 3: that someone shows a photo ID when they go to vote,
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Speaker 3: when they go to cast their actual battle because there's
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Speaker 3: a separate discussion right now about needing a passport or
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Speaker 3: a birth certificate to register to vote, but the polling
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Speaker 3: is all on voter i D.
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Speaker 2: Showing an ID to.
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Speaker 4: Vote, showing a phone to ID to vote, and the
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Speaker 4: American people are with Nicki Minaj, because what are we
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Speaker 4: talking about here? So take a look here, favorite voter
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Speaker 4: idea to vote. Look, I got all this polling on
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Speaker 4: the screen, going back since twenty eighteen. You'll notice on
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Speaker 4: all of it, it's all north of seventy five percent,
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Speaker 4: seventy six percent, seventy six percent, seventy six percent, eighty
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Speaker 4: one percent, and then eighty three percent in the last
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Speaker 4: year of Americans agree with Nicki Minaj. They favor photo
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Speaker 4: ID to be able to vote.
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Speaker 3: What about by party?
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Speaker 4: What's the party berg? Yeah, normally you might expect, hey,
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Speaker 4: there'd be a big divide by party, but Republicans really
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Speaker 4: fording Democrats really against it. But not really here. I mean,
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Speaker 4: just take a look here, favorite photo idea vote. You
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Speaker 4: got ninety five percent of Republicans, pretty much all of them,
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Speaker 4: but even seventy one percent of Democrats favorite photo ID
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Speaker 4: to vote. So again Nicki Minaj posting that on X
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Speaker 4: And what you see is is that the American people, actually,
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Speaker 4: it's not really all that controversial. The American people are
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Speaker 4: with Nicki Minaj, whether they are Republican or even if
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Speaker 4: they are Democrats, who are talking about seven and ten
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Speaker 4: Democrats agreeing with Nicki Minaj that you, in fact should
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Speaker 4: show a voter photo.
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Speaker 2: ID to vote.
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Speaker 3: What's the racial breakdown?
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Speaker 4: Okay, what's the racial breakdown on this right? Because I
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Speaker 4: think a lot of people make the argument that people
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Speaker 4: of color, non white Americans have a harder time procuring
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Speaker 4: a photo ID to vote. But even here, take a
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Speaker 4: look here, favorite photo ID to vote. Eighty five percent
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Speaker 4: of white people favorite, eighty two percent of Latino, seventy
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Speaker 4: six percent of Black Americans favorite. So the bottom line
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Speaker 4: is this voter ID is not controversial in this country.
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Speaker 4: A photo ID to vote is not controversial in this country.
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Speaker 4: It is not controversial by party, and it is not
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Speaker 4: controversial by race. The vast majority of Americans agree with
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Speaker 4: Nicki Minaj that, in fact, you should have a photo
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Speaker 4: ID to be able to vote.
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Speaker 3: So something of a nontroversy.
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Speaker 1: That was very good.
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Speaker 4: The alliteration of mister John Berman that Harvard education paying
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Speaker 4: off once.
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Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, not controversial? Why would it be? And I
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Speaker 2: would love to know the people who don't support it
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Speaker 2: is it because they have bought the lie that black
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Speaker 2: people don't know how to get voter ID.
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Speaker 1: It's my favorite part about this is that it turns
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Speaker 1: out seventy to eighty five percent of black and brown
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Speaker 1: people think they are capable of getting IDs.
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Speaker 2: Right because they do it already.
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Speaker 1: Hell, white libs definitely think they're not capable.
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Speaker 2: They're not sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the people themselves are like, we got this, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're fine.
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Speaker 2: So I moved, you know, from New York where you
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Speaker 2: don't need to show an ID, you just need to
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Speaker 2: sign your name. And the thing is they present you
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Speaker 2: with your own signature to show you how to do it.
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Speaker 2: They're like, here's your signature. Can you copy it right here?
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Speaker 1: It's just like yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then in Florida when I went to vote it,
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Speaker 2: they look at your ID. I signed my name, They're like,
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Speaker 2: can you do it one more time? Because it's not
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Speaker 2: how you did it on your ID because my signature
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Speaker 2: is mostly just a scribble. Yeah, I had to redo it.
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Speaker 2: Because they take voter integrity seriously. They take it election
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Speaker 2: integrity seriously. They don't want people voting who are not
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Speaker 2: supposed to be voting. It's just that simple.
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Speaker 1: Well, and this is we have voter idea in plenty
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Speaker 1: of places. It goes fine. Georgia is a place where
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Speaker 1: voter turnout continues to go up. Democrats, you may have noticed,
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Speaker 1: have won several Senate seats and even in the state
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Speaker 1: in many cases recently. It is not preventing people from voting.
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Speaker 1: It is not Jim Eagle, as Joe Biden said, one
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Speaker 1: of the stupidest and most dishonest media stories of the
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Speaker 1: past couple of years. And I know it's hard to choose,
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Speaker 1: but that Georgia voting, oh yeah, while being somehow problematic
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Speaker 1: and causing all that trouble, it wasn't problematic. Everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: And this is yet another example of how the media
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Speaker 1: can convince you that you're on the wrong side of
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Speaker 1: an issue, when in fact, basically everyone agrees with you.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember.
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Speaker 2: Sports tournaments pulled out of playing in Georgia, Like people
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Speaker 2: said that they wouldn't be making movies in Georgia over
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Speaker 2: that law.
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Speaker 5: Like nothing happened, if I remember correctly, the All Star
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Speaker 5: Game went from Atlanta to Colorado, which had had the
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Speaker 5: same laws.
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Speaker 1: Delaware at the time, Joe Biden's home state had stricter
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Speaker 1: laws than Georgia did.
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Speaker 2: Right, everything was so performative. We're going to look back
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Speaker 2: at that whole era. I mean we're already looking back
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Speaker 2: at that whole era and being like, wow, that.
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Speaker 1: Was We had erazy time to look at it in
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Speaker 1: real time, which is why we do a show called Normally.
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Speaker 2: But right back with more on Normally and a little
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Speaker 2: story you may not have heard about Chinese nationals carrying
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Speaker 2: a bunch of unknown samples liquids and biohazards.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with that.
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Speaker 2: We are back with more on Normally, where a tip
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Speaker 2: from a house cleaner in Las Vegas made the Las
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Speaker 2: Vegas Police and federal agents raid two properties. They found
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Speaker 2: over one thousand samples of unknown liquids, interfuge, and other
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Speaker 2: biological equipment. The homeowner, Chinese national Jia Beiju, known as David.
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Speaker 2: He was already in custody from a twenty twenty two
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Speaker 2: really California case involving pathogens like HIV, hepatitis and malaria
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Speaker 2: plus modified mice carrying COVID nineteen. That doesn't seem good.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem good at all. It doesn't seem good
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Speaker 1: that this is the second one. And I thought like, oh,
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Speaker 1: we'll see if there's some connection. The connection is very clear. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the guy owned both. The one in read in California
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Speaker 1: and this one. And I remember when that California story broke, thinking,
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Speaker 1: why isn't this a bigger deal? Right? Because illegal CCP
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Speaker 1: aligned Chinese national owned biolabs with trans mutated ice in them.
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Speaker 1: Seems like a very very large deal that we should
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Speaker 1: not be allowing on American soil.
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Speaker 2: And yet I bet most people haven't heard this story.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's not that big a deal to the media,
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Speaker 2: and it makes no sense. Why wouldn't illegal labs with
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Speaker 2: possible bioweapons not be a big story in our media?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that last case, as you noted, just to note
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Speaker 1: how like how dangerous this can be. The last case
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Speaker 1: led to a congressional investigation that found the illegal biol
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Speaker 1: up lab had allegedly been receiving money from Chinese banks
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Speaker 1: and was housing like you noted, HIV malaria TB COVID
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Speaker 1: nineteen and even ibola like this is nah. Also, it's
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Speaker 1: it's already in Vegas, Like this is not a low
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Speaker 1: risk proposition. It's an airbnb in Vegas. Hopefully what happens
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Speaker 1: in Vegas stays in Vegas. But in this case, I
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Speaker 1: am not confident.
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Speaker 2: It's just insane and it really does make you think
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Speaker 2: how much of an enemy China is to us, and
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Speaker 2: we just don't face that reality. We haven't gotten into
22:51
Speaker 2: TikTok news, but obviously that's been a big story over
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Speaker 2: the last week or so because TikTok was forced to
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Speaker 2: sell various properties. But they are in our country, talking
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Speaker 2: to our youth and doing stuff like this fairly openly.
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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And well, and I think that might be part
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Speaker 1: why the media doesn't want to cover this, Like it's
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Speaker 1: the narrative that like, ew bad enemy communist country is
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Speaker 1: sewing bad things on American soil. They don't like, they
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Speaker 1: don't like that idea, but we should try to.
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Speaker 2: Paint the picture for them that you can blame Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump for this. You could say, why isn't Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: doing more to stop this? Of course, when Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: moves some aircraft carriers towards China, they're gonna be like
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Speaker 2: forget it, never never, But.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, don't miss that kind of news.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a legal biolab in a Las Vegas home in
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