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Tuesday August 25 2026 | South Carolina Preview/ Ralph Norman vs Darline Graham · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 3: He's the other M Mike Gallagher, and I'm in my
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  Speaker 3: usual home base of Texas. And Mike is in Rockhill,
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  Speaker 3: South Carolina, just over the North Carolina border from Charlotte.
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  Speaker 3: Know it well and you are there, Why Mike tell
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  Speaker 3: everybody please.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I get a little personal and brag a
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  Speaker 2: little bit on my South Carolina roots? Because I'm on
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  Speaker 2: a couple of radio stations in South Carolina where I
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  Speaker 2: have been happily settled in for years. Of course, everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows about Greenville, Spartanburg Anderson Word. They used to be
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  Speaker 2: known as WFBC. It's really where I started, kind of
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  Speaker 2: where I cut my teeth and talk radio in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine, long time ago, and I started my sort
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  Speaker 2: of my sort of path with that stations where I
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  Speaker 2: met my Denise and we were married there and we
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  Speaker 2: raised our kids, and so it's home for me. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm also in rock Hill on WRHI, and they are
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  Speaker 2: a legendary talk station. It's kind of fun to brag
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  Speaker 2: on them because they just won I think for like
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  Speaker 2: the tenth year in a row news talk Station of
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  Speaker 2: the Year in South Carolina from the South Carolina Broadcasters Convention.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, look at them and they're great, great folks,
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  Speaker 2: Manning Kimmel and Steve and all these great folks who
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  Speaker 2: have welcomed us here with open arms because rock Hill
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  Speaker 2: is the home of Congressman Ralph Norman and today is
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  Speaker 2: election day here in South Carolina. I decided, course, this
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  Speaker 2: is typical Gallagher. I think it was Friday. I said, Eric,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to South Carolina Tuesday. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: The jet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't quite work that way. Thankfully there's lots
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  Speaker 2: of nonstops on American airlines from Tampa to Charlotte. But
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  Speaker 2: you know it's more than that. It's the technical stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's all the planning. You're supposed to take weeks to
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  Speaker 2: plan an on site remote and I gave our team
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  Speaker 2: about four days notice. But pull it off they did.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are and WRHI with a great day to day.
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  Speaker 2: We did the show this morning from their studios, interviewing
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  Speaker 2: Congressman Ralph Norman. And let me pull the curtain back.
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  Speaker 2: As you love to say, I'm going to borrow Mark
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  Speaker 2: Davis expression I am very offended and I'm personally annoyed
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  Speaker 2: on behalf of my audience. Let me tell you why
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  Speaker 2: I've been reaching out. We've been reaching out to the
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  Speaker 2: Darlene Graham Nordon campaign and for people who are just
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  Speaker 2: joining us, I mean, you may not be plugged into this.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big national it's an election with national implications.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all do it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the Senate. People often ask why you do
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  Speaker 3: you you're not in South Carolina. What do you carry?
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  Speaker 3: It's the Senate. It's everybody's business. It's what's for the
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  Speaker 3: benefit of the nation. What's for the benefit of the
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  Speaker 3: Trump and Jeda everyone cares about what South Carolina does
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  Speaker 3: tonight exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And it's crucial because because if she's another leaser. And
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  Speaker 2: let's go back quickly to the history of this. Lindsey
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  Speaker 2: Graham unexpectedly suffers a terrible catastrophic health condition at home.
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  Speaker 2: He has a heart attack, he dies. The story emerged.
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  Speaker 2: He and his sister have been together forever. He raised
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  Speaker 2: her from childhood when with their parents died at an
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  Speaker 2: early age. He loves her. She served as the director
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  Speaker 2: of the Commission of the Blind in South Carolina. She
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  Speaker 2: was also apparently an optometrist for some period of time.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as any legislative background, well there is none.
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  Speaker 2: And she was initially introduced as the temporary placeholder for
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  Speaker 2: her brother's sake.
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  Speaker 3: A few months for the rest of the election season,
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  Speaker 3: and then the real senator would take the seat in jail,
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  Speaker 3: that's correct.
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  Speaker 2: And then then along comes a change of heart, and
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  Speaker 2: then Genie decided evidently she wants the job for the
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  Speaker 2: full six year term. So now she's in it. And
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  Speaker 2: along comes President Trump, alongs come Senator Tim Scott, a
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  Speaker 2: long come all of these you know, big time Republicans
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  Speaker 2: all in for her, uh and and they want John
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  Speaker 2: Hannity who And they all had one thing in common.
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  Speaker 2: They loved Lindsey Graham. They loved Lindsay Graham, and I
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  Speaker 2: think they feel in honor of him and to pay
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  Speaker 2: proper tribute to him, they have to support her. And
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  Speaker 2: everybody is justifiably concerned, Well, what the heck, how's she
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  Speaker 2: gonna govern, How's she gonna vote, How's she gonna legislate?
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  Speaker 2: Is she gonna be Lisa Murkowski from South Carolina? Is
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  Speaker 2: she gonna stab Trump in the back over a myriad
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  Speaker 2: of issues? You know, and look, as the debate showed
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  Speaker 2: the other night, she can get pretty feisty. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this woman is not exactly you know, out of the
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  Speaker 2: out of the uh you know, Norman, Vincent Peelee. How
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  Speaker 2: to win friends and.
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  Speaker 3: Influence people didn't come to her naturally. As she turned
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  Speaker 3: to Ralph Norman and said, I tried to find something
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  Speaker 3: you did you named post office? Good for you. It
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  Speaker 3: was so unnun.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 3: It was so unnatural, it was so forced, and I
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  Speaker 3: could just see some stupid consultant handler going, look, Darlene,
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  Speaker 3: you got pretty well nothing. You're just gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: smear Ralph. That's your path to victory. It is not
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  Speaker 3: a suit of clothes that fit her well. I think
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  Speaker 3: she is a sweet woman. I think she is a
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  Speaker 3: nice lady. I think she's a woman of accomplishment and substance.
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  Speaker 3: But six years in the Senate, oh hell no. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what I think South Carolinians will say tomorrow today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and there's so much that's being released of her,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and look, there's some hints and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to play this clip for you because this
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  Speaker 2: kind of went viral over the weekend. The mask the masks,
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  Speaker 2: got the big oversized mask of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just never a good look.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but not only let's besides laughing at this, though,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's there's a real important fact to be
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  Speaker 2: made here. If you're wearing your giant face diaper, you
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  Speaker 2: got your big oversized mask.
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  Speaker 3: When was When was this though?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Well I don't know, But what I know is
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  Speaker 2: that the people she was talking to didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: masks on. Okay, all right, so I mean it was
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  Speaker 2: a few. It was described as it wasn't last week.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who showed footage you did? You showed me
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  Speaker 2: footage of a big gathering of Democrats and they're all
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  Speaker 2: wearing masks. I think it was in Maine last month.
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  Speaker 2: Said wait a minute, what what are these people do it?
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like it was that, but we were
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  Speaker 3: working our way out of masks, and Darlene chose to
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  Speaker 3: stay in mask land for this particular excerpt.
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  Speaker 2: But more than her wearing a mask was her position
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  Speaker 2: on diversity, equity and inclusion. Now there's a news site
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  Speaker 2: out of South Carolina. A guy named Will Folks runs
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  Speaker 2: it called fits Fitz News. Fitz News has been all
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  Speaker 2: over the ALEC Murdau trials and all that stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're really good. They really get into the kind of
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  Speaker 2: muckrakers and they do it, you know, good old fashioned,
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  Speaker 2: you know, regional journalism always has done. And they they
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  Speaker 2: reacted to this damning video that has been released, and
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  Speaker 2: the video shows and again backstory here. She's locked in
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  Speaker 2: what Fitznews describes as an incredibly close race against the
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  Speaker 2: fifth District Congressman Ralph Norman for the proceed previously held
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  Speaker 2: by Lindsay. Multiple polls shared with Fitznews show an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: close race, but a late breaking video of Nordone touting
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  Speaker 2: DEI policies during her tenure at the helm of the
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina Commission for the Blind is having what they
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  Speaker 2: describe as a devastating impact on her campaign. The clip
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  Speaker 2: features Darlene Graham Nordone touting the same DEI programs she's
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  Speaker 2: now seeking to distance herself from on the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 2: This was in twenty twenty one, say what month? It
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  Speaker 2: was twenty twenty one, so it's not exactly yesterday, but
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  Speaker 2: it also is coming out of COVID. Here's what she
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  Speaker 2: had to say about the dreaded DEI words.
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  Speaker 4: We actually one of the things I didn't mention. We
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  Speaker 4: had eighty three consumers that are worked last year. That's
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  Speaker 4: more than since two twenty seventeen. And we've done some
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  Speaker 4: major things at our agency. We're working on holony policies
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  Speaker 4: and procedures, put internal controls in place. We've got a
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  Speaker 4: diversity inclusion committee. I want to be a leader in
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  Speaker 4: state agency when it comes to that. We are really
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  Speaker 4: rebuilding the foundation of that agency. So super excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of work done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a diversity and inclusion committee, Mark, I
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  Speaker 2: want to be a lot of that in state agency when.
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  Speaker 3: It comes to that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's that's so those are the look that's a
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  Speaker 2: that's a red flag for South Carolina voters as well
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  Speaker 2: as Texas voters and conservatives all over the.
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  Speaker 3: Count Sure should be. And yet I keep I can't
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  Speaker 3: peel away from the possibility that you may be right
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  Speaker 3: if this remains your last minute observation that all these
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  Speaker 3: things were pointing out. And let's just say for the fourth, fifth,
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  Speaker 3: sixth time that if Darlene had seen fit to appear
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  Speaker 3: on a South Carolina rooted national talk show with the
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  Speaker 3: honorable Mike gall Or she would have been treated with
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  Speaker 3: with with respect, with deference, asked a couple of tough questions.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, but it's because it's you. It's you, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: She was that their people were foolish to pass you
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  Speaker 3: by well, and then let me talk about that for
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  Speaker 3: just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Let me address that for a moment, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: take that personally, that they're not responding to me. I
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  Speaker 2: got involved when Tracy, my producer, couldn't make any headway
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  Speaker 2: with these folks. I started texting because I know these
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  Speaker 2: folks and I'm not going to mention names. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to embarrass anybody. That's not my intent. But I
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  Speaker 2: do know them, know them well enough that I've got
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  Speaker 2: some of their cell phones numbers on my cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: And you know I was telling you this yesterday. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of funny. There's a setting on your iPhone. If
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  Speaker 2: you have an iPhone and you send a text the
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  Speaker 2: person receiving the text, there's a setting that either shows
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  Speaker 2: that you've you've read the text, and then the texture
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  Speaker 2: knows you've read the text. It says read literally says
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  Speaker 2: ore ead read, and you know they've opened and read
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  Speaker 2: your text. Now, some of us smart people don't have
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  Speaker 2: that setting enabled because I don't want anybody to ever
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  Speaker 2: know if I've read it or not right, So I
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  Speaker 2: don't have that setting. Well, the people I reached out
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  Speaker 2: to and I said to them, look, I'm not comfortable
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  Speaker 2: with just interviewing Congressman Norman. I'd like to interview Senator
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  Speaker 2: Graham nor Done. I'd like to let the voters decide.
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  Speaker 2: I think people get to choose, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: will be kind and I will be fair and I
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  Speaker 2: will be respectful. Mark, they read the texts, didn't even respond,
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  Speaker 2: not even a kiss my behind, fire in the hole,
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  Speaker 2: didn't even answer me. And they and you know why,
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  Speaker 2: because they got her locked down like Joe Biden in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: They're scared to death of missteps. Unlessen, she is a
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  Speaker 3: complete neophyight. I mean I can I can argue for
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  Speaker 3: not the wisdom because the optics are not great and
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  Speaker 3: people are probably going to talk about it much as
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  Speaker 3: we are now. But if you have somebody who's completely
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  Speaker 3: untrained in this environment, then maybe this is exactly what
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  Speaker 3: you do, and you hope that you can just ride.
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  Speaker 3: What was your golden quote to me yesterday? You said
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  Speaker 3: she's got two things going for her.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So you got the ghost of.
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  Speaker 3: Ghost of Lindsay and President and the Trump endorsement, and
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  Speaker 3: you showed in the bee roll that Yasmin has put
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  Speaker 3: up already on today's episode. It's kind of funny you
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  Speaker 3: very very intentionally referred to her as as as Darley
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  Speaker 3: and Graham Nordan, which is of course her married actual
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  Speaker 3: legal name. She is of course on the ballot as
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  Speaker 3: Darley and Graham. And there was a big sign moments
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  Speaker 3: ago that said this South Carolina is Graham Country. They're
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  Speaker 3: no fools. They want to take foot there. It is
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  Speaker 3: right there. They be able to take full full advantage,
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  Speaker 3: and properly so, because it is about a brand, it
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  Speaker 3: is about name recognition. I understand why they're doing that too,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know if she's even able to ride
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  Speaker 3: that to success. Tonight we will we will find out,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll find out in pretty short or I don't believe,
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  Speaker 3: unless it's hair pim, unless it's razor thin or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: it takes a little while. I don't think you're going
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  Speaker 3: to need a week to figure this election out either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we mentioned the two things that Ralph has to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: The Trump endorsement the ghost of Lindsay Graham. Look there,
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  Speaker 2: Senator Tim Scott is a very popular politicians in South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's check in what he said on NBC's Meet
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  Speaker 2: the Press Sunday. He weighed in and explained to Kristin
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  Speaker 2: Welker why he believes that Darlene is going to win tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Very confiden It's one of the reasons why I waited
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  Speaker 5: thirty days to make sure that I felt like she
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  Speaker 5: was ready. I can tell you, as the senior year
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  Speaker 5: senator for the great state of South Carolina, the person
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  Speaker 5: I want in the Senate with me Darlene Graham representing.
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  Speaker 2: The people of South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well, Wessy's choice.
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  Speaker 6: Let's talk about the broader state of play for the Senate.
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  Speaker 6: According to the Cook Political Report, six of the key
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  Speaker 6: battleground races have shifted out of republicans favor since April.
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  Speaker 6: Texas and Iowa moved from lean Republican to.
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  Speaker 5: Toss up just this week.
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  Speaker 6: As chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, why do
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  Speaker 6: you think that so many of these Republican leaning races
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  Speaker 6: have now moved to toss ups?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I am very confident that we will be in
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  Speaker 5: the majority at the end of November this year. And
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  Speaker 5: let me tell you why we are facing the most dangerous,
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  Speaker 5: radical and frankly Christian weird democrats I've seen in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 5: Let's start in Texas. James tall Rico believes that God
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  Speaker 5: is non binary. He's a person who's so out of
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  Speaker 5: step with Texans that we're seeing a coalition building around
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  Speaker 5: our candidate Paxton, Republicans and Democrats and Independence coming together
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  Speaker 5: to make sure that James tall Rico never sees the Senate.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to come your attention to Michigan Abdul ls III,
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  Speaker 5: the same kind of dangerous, radical, weird candidate they're all
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  Speaker 5: over the country. We feel really good about where we are.
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  Speaker 5: And if you want to go back to Iowa, we
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  Speaker 5: have Ashley Henson, a strong, powerful candidate running very strong
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  Speaker 5: in her state. And on the other side, we have
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  Speaker 5: Josh Turek, who has never seen a tax increase he
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  Speaker 5: didn't like. We're talking about someone willing to take resources
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  Speaker 5: out of the pockets of people working over time. We're
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  Speaker 5: talking about someone who believes that raising taxes will help
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  Speaker 5: people in Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: Great guy and look real. He's scathing takedown of the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, he makes a great point there about
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  Speaker 2: you know what Democrats are presenting to us tall Rico.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you have the same reaction to tall Rico's
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  Speaker 2: chances of winning as you do Darlene Grant Nor Don't.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're, you're, you're, you're close. I I really, I
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  Speaker 3: really think the people of South Carolina are going to
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  Speaker 3: go with Ralph Norman. Will it surprise me if they don't,
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  Speaker 3: If the factors that you've talked about, you know, Lindsay's name,
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  Speaker 3: the Trump endorsement, Lindsay's ghost, they they really could. I
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  Speaker 3: just think, I think and hope that they will be
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  Speaker 3: wiser than that under no circumstances of this. So that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of a soft belief. I am staunchly confident that
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  Speaker 3: that my state of Texas will not hand a senator
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  Speaker 3: seat to someone with views as bizarre, toxic, and repellent
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  Speaker 3: as James Tallery. And I'm just a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a matter of degree, and I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Just just not as confident that she's got this in
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  Speaker 2: the bag. I mean that he's got this in the bag,
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  Speaker 2: that Ralph Norman can defeat her, because again, look he
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  Speaker 2: is the underdog. There's no make no mistake about it
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  Speaker 2: when you've got Trump. And not only did Trump come
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  Speaker 2: to Myrtle beachless past Friday night, yesterday he held a
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  Speaker 2: big tele teleconference on her behind. He's he is all in.
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  Speaker 2: We're all in for our title spot. And it is
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  Speaker 2: a joy to tell you about Preborn. This summer marks
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  Speaker 2: three years since the Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Wade.
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  Speaker 2: The fact is the total number of abortions is only
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  Speaker 2: increased with greater access to telehealth and abortion pills in
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  Speaker 2: the mail, and the fact that all these avenues to
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  Speaker 2: abortion are cheaper and easier medication. Abortions now account for
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  Speaker 2: more than sixty percent of all abortions. That number is
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  Speaker 2: only growing. Mark and I are so proud to welcome Preborn.
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina. It's a huge national election. It's gotten big
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  Speaker 2: national implications. In fact, the New Yorker magazine just did
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  Speaker 2: a big profile or a big article asking the question
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  Speaker 2: So who exactly is the woman Trump hopes will become
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  Speaker 2: the next elected senator from South Carolina. A local Republican
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  Speaker 2: strategist who worked with Lindsey Graham for years told me
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  Speaker 2: of his sister, it's anybody's guests. The strategist, who spoke
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  Speaker 2: on the condition of anonymity, went on, quote, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you assume she's Lindsay's sister, and so she's conservative right
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to the hard issues. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody has any clues unquote. South Carolina's Democrats, who have
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  Speaker 2: not won statewide office since two thousand and six, are
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  Speaker 2: also confounded. Boyd Brown, a Democratic former state legislator, told
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  Speaker 2: me she is a black box. She really truly is
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  Speaker 2: an unknown. She could be the greatest US Senator we've
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  Speaker 2: ever had for all we know, but she could also
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  Speaker 2: be a dud. Another observer said, nobody has a bad
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  Speaker 2: word to say about her, But I also haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: anybody say that she's a perfect fit for the job.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's gonna have to fight off that nepotism thing.
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  Speaker 2: Merrill noted that her brother had been seeking a fifth term.
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  Speaker 2: He said, as much as everyone respected and loved Lindsey,
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  Speaker 2: there was a little bit of tiredness of that as well,
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  Speaker 2: she might have to deal with that fatigue. And Sean Davis, finally,
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  Speaker 2: the co founder, and I think you and I would
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  Speaker 2: agree with this entirely. The co founder of The Federalist
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  Speaker 2: that simply read birthright senatorship exactly is idiotic? How good
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  Speaker 2: is that? Birthright senatorship is idiotic? He's got a point mark.
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  Speaker 3: Was anything else? If she was Lindsay's sister, and oh,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, had been had held any elected office
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  Speaker 3: for a year or two with a track record of
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  Speaker 3: standing for conservative things in the actual field of battle,
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  Speaker 3: then that would be completely different. But it's nothing. It
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  Speaker 3: literally is nothing. It's not that she's devoid of accomplishment.
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  Speaker 3: She's done a number of things, some boards, some positions,
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  Speaker 3: some state level things. We're not calling her, We're not
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  Speaker 3: being mean to her or disparaging the achievements that she has.
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  Speaker 3: Her resume is impressive. She is an impressive woman. But
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  Speaker 3: that's not the question. The question is is there a
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  Speaker 3: reason to invest in her six years of advance, hopes
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  Speaker 3: and dreams, the first two of which are going to
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  Speaker 3: be Trump's exit ramp.
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  Speaker 2: It better be good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just not enough. Can I can I
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  Speaker 3: ask you a question about the source of these doubts
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  Speaker 3: for me? And it's it's a little introspective moment, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't totally know what my answer is. So let's
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  Speaker 3: see if you do. Is a part not all, not
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  Speaker 3: at all, is a part of your concern about what
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  Speaker 3: she might do or how she because again we use
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  Speaker 3: Lisa Mkowski, we use Susan Collins, but we could also
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  Speaker 3: use Tom Tullis and John Cornyn. But how much, if any,
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  Speaker 3: of your concern that she might go wobbly? How much
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  Speaker 3: of it is because she's a woman. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: mean misogyny or disregard for women, but dog on it,
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  Speaker 3: pound for pound, per capita, women are just more liberal
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  Speaker 3: than men are. Is that any part of yours or
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: any voter wondering about the strength of her conservative spine?
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's inevitable. Inevitable because of the precedent set
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  Speaker 2: by not one, but two women in the US Senate,
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  Speaker 2: Susan Collins and Lissier Murkowski. There is something about a
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  Speaker 2: these women's inclination to vote with the Democrats over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. Lisa Murkowski is vehemently opposed to
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  Speaker 2: voter id laws, the Save America Act. I mean, she
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  Speaker 2: is a Democrat's best friend. Now, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: necessarily gender related. What I believe, truly is that there's
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  Speaker 2: a red flag over why Democrats are treating her so well.
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  Speaker 2: You want to know what my big red flag has been,
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  Speaker 2: Jim Clyburn, the Democrat kingmaker. Ye, when she first threw
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  Speaker 2: her hat in the ring, he was thrilled, all praising
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  Speaker 2: her up one end and down the other. Look at
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  Speaker 2: former state legislator. Right, so this is a South Carolina Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: What did he say? Quote, she could be the greatest
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  Speaker 2: US Senator we've ever had, or she could be a dud. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when have you ever heard any Democrat talk about a
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  Speaker 2: conservative Republican in those kind of terms? That's ridiculous, there, what,
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  Speaker 2: and not to mention the at least two million dollars
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  Speaker 2: that have been funneled into her campaign from Democrat packs
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  Speaker 2: and strategists and donors. Mark that the big old fat
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  Speaker 2: red flag for me.
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  Speaker 3: It is and should be. Is it partially the phenomenon
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  Speaker 3: call of the enemy of my enemy is my friend,
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  Speaker 3: in that they may not be, And once she wins,
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  Speaker 3: they'll bag on her every day, but they'd rather have
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  Speaker 3: her than the substantially more conservative Ralph Norman could be.
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  Speaker 2: And that means she's not substantially conservative. That worries me
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  Speaker 2: because this is a conservative state. It is a deep
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  Speaker 2: red state with conservative values. One of the big complaints
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  Speaker 2: about Lindsay was that he was into forever Wars in
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  Speaker 2: a way that South Carolina conservatives are not. Now she's smart.
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  Speaker 2: He was soft on the borders. He was part of
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  Speaker 2: the Gang of Eight back in the day. Trump made
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  Speaker 2: him better, but he was a big border soft not
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  Speaker 2: so long ago. Well, and she says she's not, and
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  Speaker 2: in fact, she's going after Ralph. I asked him about
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  Speaker 2: that earlier today and he addressed it, I think very sufficiently.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that he's for amnesty is a total lie.
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  Speaker 2: That's a campaign talking point, and so we sort of
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  Speaker 2: we sort of clarified that with him today. But there's
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  Speaker 2: just a lot of red flags and there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of concerns about where this could lead. And again, I
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