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Jim Bowden’s Trade Ideas, Jeremy Peña to IL + Are the Mets OK? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Right now, they are going through stretch where things are
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Speaker 1: not okay. Will they be okay like down the road? Yeah? Maybe,
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Speaker 1: but they need some things to happen.
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Speaker 2: First sixteen plus years former MLBGM Jim Bowden joining us
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Speaker 2: right now on ft JB. You've got all three of
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Speaker 2: us here in Vegas, caffeinated, I think, and fired up.
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Speaker 2: So let's hit some recent articles that you've put out
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Speaker 2: there and I'll let you go. You want to go
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Speaker 2: National League or American League first, dealer's choice.
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Speaker 3: Let's go American League first?
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Speaker 2: Okay, American League, And I would like to start with
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Speaker 2: the Toronto Blue Jays. You came out with an article
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Speaker 2: in The Athletic on one difference making trade for each
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Speaker 2: American League team in the wildcard race. Blue Jays have
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Speaker 2: another strong weekend against the Red Sox. They've been rolling
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Speaker 2: for a while now, and it's a team that you
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Speaker 2: would think is pushing their chips in which is also
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Speaker 2: playing in a weaker American league than we usually see.
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Speaker 4: So what's your plan for them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I had them trading for Merrill Kelly. Why
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Speaker 3: did I have that? Well, when I.
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Speaker 5: Talked to the Blue Jays, they say their biggest need
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Speaker 5: is going to be a starting pitcher at the deadline.
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Speaker 3: That's what their goal is.
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Speaker 5: And so I kind of look at Arizona and even
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Speaker 5: though right now they say they're buying and they're trying
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Speaker 5: to buy pitching, I just have a hard time believing
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Speaker 5: that's where Arizona is going to end up in thirty
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Speaker 5: one days. Why because I don't think this is a
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Speaker 5: playoff team because of the injuries that they've had. And
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Speaker 5: I believe that running that organization, knowing that Zach Allen, Merrill,
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Speaker 5: Kelly Josh Naylor and your Henneosrez are all free agents
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Speaker 5: at the end of the year, this is a seller's
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Speaker 5: market at the trade deadline. Why in the world wouldn't
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Speaker 5: you be shopping those four players, try to get ten
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Speaker 5: to twelve players in return, and then try to resign
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Speaker 5: whoever you want to in the off season. And you know,
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Speaker 5: I spent the last five days being in contact with
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Speaker 5: all the gms and presidents of all thirty teams because
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Speaker 5: I'm writing an article for The Athletic that's either going
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Speaker 5: up tomorrow or the next day, kind of on an
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Speaker 5: anonymous poll of who is going to get traded between
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Speaker 5: now and the trade down, Who did they think, because
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Speaker 5: last year when I did this, we nailed it right.
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Speaker 5: And coming from them, they're talking to the clubs. They
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Speaker 5: couldn't mention their own players, they could only mention other
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Speaker 5: teams players. I thought it was fascinating and it was interesting.
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Speaker 5: In terms of Merrill Kelly, his name is mentioned quite
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Speaker 5: a bit, and I think there's a lot of executives
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Speaker 5: that believe that when Arizona gets to the end of
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Speaker 5: the month, they will be dealing him. And so the
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Speaker 5: fact that that's the blue Jay's biggest need, and the
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Speaker 5: fact that I think Arizona probably is going to move
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Speaker 5: one or two of those starters, I think it makes sense.
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Speaker 6: Hi, Jamie, the next trade you said is a possibility,
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Speaker 6: less about the team that's getting him, and more about
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Speaker 6: Kyle stours Kus. Stowers doesn't even have two years of service.
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Speaker 6: Is it really possible that he is that much somebody
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Speaker 6: that the Marlins are looking to move, like they're that
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Speaker 6: far out from ever even trying to contend or compete.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of that. I
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Speaker 5: think it's a matter of what Peter Bendex is trying
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Speaker 5: to do, and he is trying to collect as much
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Speaker 5: young talent as he can for the long haul. They're
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Speaker 5: playing really well. They won seven in a row, they
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Speaker 5: had a tremendous road trip. They're feeling good about themselves.
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Speaker 5: But if someone's going to overvalue Stours and that left
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Speaker 5: handed power that he has and he can win a trade,
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Speaker 5: he'll do it. You know, it's interesting in talking to
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Speaker 5: and texting with all the gms and managers, how many
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Speaker 5: people think al Contra is actually going to get traded
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Speaker 5: and that Cabrera could get moved and Stowars could get moved.
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Speaker 5: It's because they're having conversations with Miami. That's why those
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Speaker 5: names keep coming up. And although I don't think al
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Speaker 5: Contra's value right now is what it should be to
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Speaker 5: move them, maybe someone's going to pay that price. And
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Speaker 5: for Stowars, there's just enough teams the Kansas City Royals,
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Speaker 5: the San Diego Padres that are looking for that you know,
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Speaker 5: left handed power bat that they can put on. The
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Speaker 5: Corner Guardians another team that is looking for that power.
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Speaker 5: And so there are teams that might overpay to get
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Speaker 5: Stours because he is controllable and he isn't expensive, and
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Speaker 5: they might pay a price that Peter Bendex likes when
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Speaker 5: you look at the history of the trades he's made,
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Speaker 5: you know, he's made a lot of trades. He traded
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Speaker 5: to Jesus Lizardo, who he was still controlling for a
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Speaker 5: couple of years because of the prospect attorney got from Philadelphia.
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of where Miami is.
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Speaker 5: And it's more importantly, Peter Bendex came from Tampa Bay
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Speaker 5: and he wants to trade for those young guys. He
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Speaker 5: doesn't care if they're an A ball or double A.
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Speaker 5: He wants to stockpile as much as he can to
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Speaker 5: win in the long term, and that's what he's doing.
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Speaker 7: All right.
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Speaker 8: I got a couple questions for on this is. First
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Speaker 8: of all, you mentioned the race Hunter Goodman. The Rockies
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Speaker 8: aren't trading him. He's there one bright spot on this
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Speaker 8: whole season of not very bright spots, and tadj Bradley
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Speaker 8: and Theogillian.
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Speaker 9: If you're TODG.
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Speaker 8: Browdley, you're like, please don't send me there, keep me
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Speaker 8: in Tampa, right.
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Speaker 9: So I would say that one is questionable, But then
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Speaker 9: the big one for me is number four.
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Speaker 8: Acquire Luis Robert Junior from the White Sox to the
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Speaker 8: Guardians First of all, Jerry Reinserfer said he won't trade
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Speaker 8: in the division, which we've seen in.
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Speaker 9: Louis Robert right now has no value. He's on the
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Speaker 9: il and he's been terrible when he's played.
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Speaker 8: Why would the White Sox even look to trade him
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Speaker 8: because they're not going to get anything in return.
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Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to trade him if his value
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Speaker 3: is nothing.
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Speaker 5: They're only going to trade him if someone's going to
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Speaker 5: believe what he did a couple of years ago when
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Speaker 5: he hit the thirty eight homers and stole twenty bags.
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Speaker 5: They're only going to trade him if they can get
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Speaker 5: value back. If they can't get a top ten prospect
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Speaker 5: for him, the hold onto him and they're waiting until
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Speaker 5: he gets healthy, maybe he finishes the year strong and
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Speaker 5: then move him then.
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Speaker 3: But this is a seller's market.
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Speaker 5: There's not a lot of bats that are out there
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Speaker 5: on this marketplace right now. So if they get the offer,
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Speaker 5: they'll do it now. In terms of Hunter Goodman, you know,
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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay has made it very clear they're trying to
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Speaker 5: get a long term answer a catcher. They haven't been
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Speaker 5: able to do it, and you know they do match
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Speaker 5: up with Hunter Goodman is not a great defensive catcher,
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Speaker 5: but he is a really good offensive catcher. If Colorado
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Speaker 5: gets some pitching back, he gets a young stud outfielder
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Speaker 5: and someone wants to overpay. Why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't
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Speaker 5: you trade your only all star? And then you know
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Speaker 5: Kansas City Royals, they've got three really good catching prospects,
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Speaker 5: Carter Jensen who just got promoted, Blake Mitchell. You know,
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Speaker 5: perhaps they match up. I don't see how they match
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Speaker 5: up as well as possibly Colorado. You know, for the
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Speaker 5: Rockies to get pitching, you got to trade for to
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Speaker 5: draft it. Right, You're not going to sign him in
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Speaker 5: free free agency. We've watched the same rotation finished in
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Speaker 5: the last place for five straight years, at least three
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Speaker 5: of them. How many more years are we going to
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Speaker 5: watch the same pitchers before they start finding a way
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Speaker 5: to trade for different arms? And I think Taj Bradley
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Speaker 5: with his makeup, would be a good cultural fit for
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Speaker 5: Colorado rebuilding and I think he would certainly help their rotation.
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Speaker 6: I know we're in a different age of being able
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Speaker 6: to see so many different minor league players and all
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Speaker 6: this stuff and evaluations have changed. Do teams still pump
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Speaker 6: up prospects falsely and hide guys? Did they used to
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Speaker 6: do when you were when you were a GM?
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Speaker 3: Yet?
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Speaker 5: I would say for the first half of my GM
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Speaker 5: career there were teams that still did it. But I mean, like,
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Speaker 5: come on, let's all be sensible. I mean, everybody has
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Speaker 5: their scouts and eyeballs on these guys. Everybody has analytics,
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Speaker 5: everybody has the science. Now, you know, we're not guessing
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Speaker 5: first step quickness or we're not guessing angle. You know,
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Speaker 5: we know we know those we know arm strength, we
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Speaker 5: know bat speed. We're not guessing bat speed. You know
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Speaker 5: we're not guessing that. You know, Junior Cameron Era is
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Speaker 5: Gary Sheffield bat speed. All we got to do is
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Speaker 5: look at baseball savan and it shows it to us.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, there's no guessing. I mean, I think the
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Speaker 5: one part where you try to do a little deception
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Speaker 5: even today is the mental part of it. Right, Like
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Speaker 5: you win with players as human beings. You don't win
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Speaker 5: with the baseball player. You win with the human And
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Speaker 5: so there are a lot of very talented players that
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Speaker 5: maybe don't have that competitiveness or they don't have the
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Speaker 5: makeup and character to win, but they have the tools
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Speaker 5: that are all star tools. And so if you have
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Speaker 5: a player like that in your organization, and as an example,
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Speaker 5: the Rockies have some guys like that, I'm not going
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Speaker 5: to mention you know, you may want to really prop
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Speaker 5: the guy up because he may have the stats and
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Speaker 5: the tools, and if that team hasn't done their homework
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Speaker 5: on what the player and the human being he really is,
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Speaker 5: perhaps you can make.
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Speaker 3: A good deal that way.
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Speaker 5: So I think if there's one way of propping up
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Speaker 5: or propping down, it would be on the human element.
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Speaker 6: But that was gonna be so you led right into
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Speaker 6: what I was going to ask. How do some.
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Speaker 9: Teams just keep missing them?
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Speaker 6: How does because we all have the same information, everybody
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Speaker 6: has the same information. You see dudes that just do
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Speaker 6: not hit the ball in the air. I get it,
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Speaker 6: you know, like a justin Craft, he's got an elite skill,
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Speaker 6: he's still not elevating the balls. But how do teams
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Speaker 6: miss consistently more than other teams?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the world, right, I mean, I could parallel
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Speaker 5: to politics, I could parallel to running organizations. Everybody has
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Speaker 5: different lenses, you know. I can tell you if I
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Speaker 5: had thirty six scouts. Out of thirty six, I would
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Speaker 5: tell you I probably had four or five that I
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Speaker 5: could really trust. And it's not that the other thirty
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Speaker 5: one weren't extremely talented and knew what they were watching,
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Speaker 5: but perhaps they didn't really understand what kind of makeup
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Speaker 5: and character Michael Mustakis had, or Brett Boonton had or
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Speaker 5: aj Prazinski had, right like, not everybody can really understand that.
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Speaker 5: You know, people can think makeup and character is you know,
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Speaker 5: a really nice guy and went to the right schools
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Speaker 5: and says the right things and is very polite and
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Speaker 5: opens the door. But that's not necess necessarily the best
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Speaker 5: baseball makeup, right I'll take Roger Clemens, I'll take Barry Bonds,
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Speaker 5: you know. So you know, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: it's you know, not everybody can process the information and
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Speaker 5: see it the same.
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Speaker 3: And it's same with teams. Some teams just get it.
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Speaker 5: Eric Neander, Andrew Friedman, you know, theo Epstein. You know,
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Speaker 5: I can go on Alexander Thalp. There's just a lot
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Speaker 5: of guys that get it, not just no players, not
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Speaker 5: just look at the information, not just study analytics, not
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Speaker 5: understanding the swing or the delivery, but they understand human
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Speaker 5: beings and makeup and character and what motivates them and
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Speaker 5: what doesn't motivate them. You know, it's funny as I
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Speaker 5: saw Jeremy Paine, you go on the injured list today,
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Speaker 5: which is very disappointing with the cracked REB and a
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Speaker 5: big setback for Houston. But you know, I was watching
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Speaker 5: his season this year. He had a five two war
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Speaker 5: according to stats, which is the second best in the Majors,
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Speaker 5: and he's one of the top three short stops in
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Speaker 5: the league with Bobby Wood Junior and Jacob Wilson. But
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Speaker 5: it was funny because it was spring training with Joe A.
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Speaker 5: Spot of the manager and Dana Brown. The GM told
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Speaker 5: me Payne is gonna have his best year. He's gonna
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Speaker 5: have a breakout All Star year. And I asked them why,
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Speaker 5: and they told me because he's in the best mental
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Speaker 5: space he's ever been in in his personal life and
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Speaker 5: in his approach and his preparation. It's a different guy.
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Speaker 5: They said, watch. I'm like, I'll watch, and I saw
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Speaker 5: exactly that. That's the human element. That's what people that
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Speaker 5: have good judgment understand. You know, Hunter Brown struggled when
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Speaker 5: he first came up, right, he has some maturity to do,
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Speaker 5: He has some understanding to do. But you could tell
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Speaker 5: even talking to him when he struggled. You could tell
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Speaker 5: as I sat there in spring training a couple of
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Speaker 5: years ago listening to him. I left spring training go,
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Speaker 5: I'm betting on that guy. Not just because of the stuff.
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Speaker 5: We can all measure the stuff and see it, but
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Speaker 5: I was how bad he wanted it. I knew he
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Speaker 5: was going to adjust and become an ace, and that's
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Speaker 5: what he's become.
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Speaker 8: Okay, this is why team's missing the draft also too,
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Speaker 8: because I don't do make checks, and then the draft
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Speaker 8: info is all there too, and that's why this pick
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Speaker 8: and this pick, if people don't understand, there are makeup things.
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Speaker 8: And also I was in Houston this this weekend is Saturday,
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Speaker 8: and I talked to Joe Spata and if Jeremy Payne,
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Speaker 8: even with going on the aisle, is not an All Star,
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Speaker 8: it's a crime against humanity because he's having an unbelievable
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Speaker 8: year and they are not the same team without Jeremy Payne.
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Speaker 3: Amen. Yeah, I agree completely, He's their best player.
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Speaker 4: JB.
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Speaker 2: Let me let me get to the National League with
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Speaker 2: you here real quick. So I want to touch on
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Speaker 2: one NL West team and then kind of summarize the
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Speaker 2: NL Central together. This is a big one that I'm
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Speaker 2: sure you will receive many comments if you haven't already
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Speaker 2: about Padre Is bringing in Sandy al Contra from the Marlins,
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Speaker 2: and you're.
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Speaker 4: Like, great, that's awesome. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Ethan sallas Leo debrees. Brandon net amberto Cruz first, Nit
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Speaker 2: two names are the ones that most people know. So
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Speaker 2: you went hard. You got to give up the top
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Speaker 2: two prospects. They're super young, They've been talked about already
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Speaker 2: for a while. Right, how did that one get received
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Speaker 2: and how did you put it together?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 5: I got all the hate, which is great, and that's
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Speaker 5: what you should do. You know all we can't give
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Speaker 5: up these guys. These guys are all superstars. How potteries
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Speaker 5: will never do that? You're crazy? Yeah, that's fine. When
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Speaker 5: Sandie al Contra is right, he won the cy Young Award.
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Speaker 5: Anyone that's met him understands make up is eighty out
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Speaker 5: of eighty. He's got the size, he's got, he understands
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Speaker 5: how to win. He's getting healthy. We've watched the last
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Speaker 5: three or four starts. Some people are gonna want to
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Speaker 5: see him do this more before willing to give up
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Speaker 5: that kind of package. But he's an ace that he's controllable.
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Speaker 5: You get him for three postseasons. Right, they're gonna lose
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Speaker 5: Dylan Cees and Michael King in free agency, you know
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Speaker 5: unlikely they're going to be able to extend either one.
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Speaker 3: And then where are you're gonna be next year? Right?
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Speaker 5: You don't know what Muscove is gonna come look like
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Speaker 5: after Tommy John. You don't know what you Darbyship thirty
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Speaker 5: nine years old is going to be. So here's your ace,
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Speaker 5: because your windows here to win, not just this year,
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Speaker 5: but when you have Machado and Boguards to tease and
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Speaker 5: all these guys signed, you want to keep winning. So
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Speaker 5: here's your chance to get an ace. And will the
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Speaker 5: price come back and burn.
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Speaker 3: You with devrees? It will?
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Speaker 5: It'll be like James would and you'll sit there go, oh,
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Speaker 5: how did you give him up? I get it, he's
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Speaker 5: gonna be a great player.
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Speaker 3: I love him.
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Speaker 5: But you're not going to get al Contra without paying
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Speaker 5: a price in terms of sallus look I love the
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Speaker 5: bat speed like everyone else does. He hadn't hit yet.
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Speaker 5: I know he's nineteen in Double A. I love that
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Speaker 5: hadn't hit yet at all anywhere. Not saying he's not
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Speaker 5: going to I like the player, but sometimes we overhype
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Speaker 5: these guys. You know, you do have to hit a
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Speaker 5: break in ball the big leagues, right, You do have
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Speaker 5: to do that, and it's pretty hard hitting the big
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Speaker 5: leagues if you can't hit in the minor leagues.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he won't.
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Speaker 5: I love the player, don't get me wrong, But I
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Speaker 5: think a lot of times people are reading about prospects
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Speaker 5: and they're just assuming that they're going to live up
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Speaker 5: to what everyone says. And all I would do is
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Speaker 5: ask all of the viewers right now, go back and
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Speaker 5: look at the top fifty prospects from all the websites
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Speaker 5: you want over the last fifteen years, and then maybe
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Speaker 5: look at it a little bit differently.
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Speaker 6: Is it NL Central going to be one at the
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Speaker 6: trade deadline? Is it going to be the team that
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Speaker 6: moves first. Is it going to be the Reds acquiring O'Hearn.
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Speaker 6: Is it going to be the Rockies actually parting with
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Speaker 6: Ryan McMahon and the Brewers picking him up. How is
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Speaker 6: is this trade deadline going to shape the NL Central,
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Speaker 6: which has become pretty tight race. Had the Brewers won yesterday,
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Speaker 6: it would have been one game back. There's still just
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Speaker 6: two games back of the Cubs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. The Cubs are going to
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Speaker 5: win the trade deadline in the NL Central. They're everywhere
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Speaker 5: right now, and they're willing to part with Owen Cassie,
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Speaker 5: one of their top power hitting outfield prospects, as part
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Speaker 5: of the package. And Jedheaier and Carter Hawkins literally are everywhere.
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Speaker 3: I mean, as I talk.
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Speaker 5: To people in the industry, they're all in and they're
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Speaker 5: going to do what it takes to win. You know,
17:02
Speaker 5: the Reds don't have a lot of money to spend.
17:05
Speaker 5: They could use a bat. I can see them getting
17:07
Speaker 5: a bat. I don't think the Cardinals are going to
17:09
Speaker 5: do much. They need impact, but they're not going to
17:11
Speaker 5: trade the future for this year.
17:14
Speaker 3: Brewers have a.
17:14
Speaker 5: Really good team and I think they're starting rotation. I
17:17
Speaker 5: think the Brewers, in my opinion, is a huge threat
17:21
Speaker 5: because of that, and Brandon Woodruff is going to get back,
17:25
Speaker 5: but I don't expect them to be busy at the
17:27
Speaker 5: trade dead I understand they're trying to upgrade the left
17:30
Speaker 5: side of the infield. They're not getting much offense from
17:33
Speaker 5: shortstop or third base, so that's what they're trying to do.
17:36
Speaker 5: Easier said than done in this marketplace. And again, you know,
17:39
Speaker 5: we have to look at this market right now. It's
17:42
Speaker 5: going to change a lot in thirty one days. But
17:45
Speaker 5: you've got a lot of buyers right now that have
17:49
Speaker 5: to turn to sellers because the sellers don't have a lot,
17:53
Speaker 5: And so you need the Orioles right You need the Rangers,
17:56
Speaker 5: the Red Sox, Diamondbacks, the Twins, the Guardians and all
18:00
Speaker 5: of them could be sellers of the deadline.
18:02
Speaker 3: If that happens, we'll have a lot of fun. We will.
18:05
Speaker 5: And it was interesting because in my poll and talking
18:07
Speaker 5: to people, I was getting, you know, Emmanuel Classe and
18:09
Speaker 5: Stephen Kwan names if the Guardians sell, I was getting
18:13
Speaker 5: Duran and Jack's names from the Twins if they sell.
18:17
Speaker 5: So I think the deadline changes a lot. But in
18:19
Speaker 5: the NL Central I kind of feel like the Cubs
18:23
Speaker 5: are the one team that are in position to make
18:27
Speaker 5: the splash.
18:28
Speaker 3: They've got the.
18:29
Speaker 5: Better system and willingness to give up the system at
18:33
Speaker 5: this particular trade deadline. Remember Jed Hory and Carter Hawkins
18:37
Speaker 5: contracts are up. With Kyle Tucker right here, right now,
18:41
Speaker 5: they're going to be an interesting team to watch for sure.
18:45
Speaker 9: Well, the Cubs can hit, Jim. They can hit again,
18:48
Speaker 9: I saw them this weekend. They can really hit.
18:50
Speaker 8: And also, by the way, you mentioned Crow test you
18:52
Speaker 8: about pumping out prospects. By you writing these articles and
18:54
Speaker 8: putting prospects names in, guess what it does to fans.
18:57
Speaker 9: It pumps up.
18:58
Speaker 8: These prospects to fans and then the Vans clamor for oh,
19:01
Speaker 8: we want this guy.
19:01
Speaker 9: We want this guy. So don't say it.
19:03
Speaker 8: Doesn't happen, because just by you writing this article, it happens.
19:06
Speaker 8: My last thing, though, is Luis Severino is in Sacramento
19:10
Speaker 8: and he's not happy.
19:11
Speaker 9: But he just signed a three year deal to go there.
19:14
Speaker 4: Did they trade him?
19:15
Speaker 9: What do they do with them?
19:16
Speaker 8: Because he will not stop basically complaining about the place
19:19
Speaker 8: he picked to go. I know they gave him the
19:21
Speaker 8: most money, but he picked to go there. Now he's like,
19:24
Speaker 8: this place sucks. Other people on the team can't really
19:26
Speaker 8: say it because you know they're they're brought up there.
19:29
Speaker 9: They're kind of stuck with Severno's like.
19:30
Speaker 8: Get me out of here. I don't want to be here.
19:32
Speaker 8: This place sucks. I can't pitch here. And they're like, well,
19:34
Speaker 8: you just signed three years. Guess what you might have.
19:36
Speaker 5: To Louis Severino AJ knew exactly where he was signing,
19:42
Speaker 5: right He.
19:44
Speaker 9: Did he know?
19:45
Speaker 3: Because I twere he knew he was going to West Sacramento.
19:50
Speaker 5: Not for one year or two years, three years, they're
19:53
Speaker 5: not going to Vegas.
19:53
Speaker 3: Still after that, he knew exactly where he was going. AJ.
19:57
Speaker 5: And this is what happens with greed, right, I want
20:00
Speaker 5: to take the most years and the most money. My
20:02
Speaker 5: agent wants me to as well, because he gets a
20:05
Speaker 5: better commission. No one else offered three years, sixty seven million.
20:09
Speaker 5: That's where I'm going. Well, then you have to live
20:11
Speaker 5: up to it, like if that's where you decided to go.
20:14
Speaker 5: Now that being said, look I've heard the criticism. Zach
20:17
Speaker 5: Wheeler said the mound feels like cement. Carlos Correa said
20:21
Speaker 5: it's the worst batter's box he's ever been in. Joe
20:25
Speaker 5: Ryan of the Twins said that he wonders if the
20:29
Speaker 5: mound isn't why his teammate Pablo Lobez got injured. Look
20:33
Speaker 5: at those kind of comments I take seriously, and I
20:36
Speaker 5: think Major League Baseball should look into it. Because I'm
20:39
Speaker 5: not hearing the complaints about Legends Field, George em Steinberner
20:42
Speaker 5: Field in Tampa. I'm not hearing those complaints. But in
20:45
Speaker 5: terms of where he was signing and where the clubhouse
20:49
Speaker 5: was going to be, he knew that when he signed
20:51
Speaker 5: the contract, and now he wants to get out, and
20:54
Speaker 5: now he wants to be traded if he can try
20:56
Speaker 5: to go to a contender and hope some contender will
20:58
Speaker 5: take the sixty seven million dollars. But that's what happens.
21:02
Speaker 5: And you know, I always said to people, you know,
21:05
Speaker 5: don't make decisions based on how much money someone offers.
21:09
Speaker 3: You go to a place where you're going to be happy.
21:12
Speaker 3: You know.
21:12
Speaker 5: I always wanted players that wanted to go to a
21:14
Speaker 5: place to win. That's what I wanted. I wanted players
21:18
Speaker 5: that were willing to take less to stay. I wanted
21:20
Speaker 5: people that were driven to win and be part of
21:24
Speaker 5: a team more than the most money in the most years.
21:27
Speaker 5: And personally, I have followed that up in all my
21:29
Speaker 5: decisions in life. I've taken huge pay cuts from time
21:32
Speaker 5: to time to be in the right position with the
21:35
Speaker 5: right people. Winning, to me is everything. And for Lewis Severino,
21:41
Speaker 5: you know, and I would sit there and love to
21:42
Speaker 5: say that No GM is going to want him now
21:45
Speaker 5: because he said all these things. That's a lie, because
21:49
Speaker 5: there are teams that need pitching bad enough that they
21:51
Speaker 5: actually will get engaged. The athletics have to pay down
21:55
Speaker 5: some salary, but he will still be movable in a
21:58
Speaker 5: market where there's not a lot of starting pitching available.
22:01
Speaker 1: Hey, were you gonna.
22:02
Speaker 9: Still rub in a little bit right there? What guys,
22:04
Speaker 9: It'll take less money to go to a different city. Guys,
22:07
Speaker 9: it'll take the mood.
22:09
Speaker 4: Article he did work for you.
22:13
Speaker 3: It's a former GM hat. That's why I'm on this show.
22:18
Speaker 4: It is it is.
22:18
Speaker 2: I love it in that chair, JB. We're going to
22:22
Speaker 2: cover that Severino story later. I just I think you'd
22:24
Speaker 2: like my take. Yeah, he realized he made a mistake.
22:29
Speaker 2: Might as well talk and try and talk your way
22:30
Speaker 2: out of the place. He signed there. He didn't know
22:33
Speaker 2: what he was getting into, even though he was very
22:35
Speaker 2: very well informed by many people. He's like, Hey, maybe
22:38
Speaker 2: I talk and I get myself out of here.
22:39
Speaker 6: If he stays signed, doesn't move, how bad could it be?
22:42
Speaker 9: Is probably what he said.
22:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, come on, I'm getting extra ten here versus
22:47
Speaker 2: anywhere else.
22:47
Speaker 6: There's no air conditioning in the clubhouse. Come on, there's
22:49
Speaker 6: no way, JB.
22:52
Speaker 4: I love it. Thank you so much for joining us.
22:54
Speaker 4: We'll catch you again soon, okay.
22:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, win today in the cards, will you?
22:58
Speaker 6: Uh?
22:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we got defending champ right next to me
23:01
Speaker 2: who acts like he's not good but he is.
23:03
Speaker 4: But thank you, JB. Appreciate you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Talking Mets. Mets have crumbled lately, yet they're still fine.
24:17
Speaker 2: They're in a playoff position. But will easiest question to
24:21
Speaker 2: start are they okay?
24:22
Speaker 4: Are the Mets okay?
24:25
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know if that's an easy one, man.
24:26
Speaker 1: That's actually I don't think they're I don't know if
24:31
Speaker 1: they're okay at all. No, I mean you can I
24:33
Speaker 1: don't think you could have a weekend like that and
24:36
Speaker 1: be okay. Can you that's that's really tough. That said there,
24:39
Speaker 1: like you said, like they're they're there. Francisco Lindora said
24:43
Speaker 1: it best, I think the other day when talking about
24:46
Speaker 1: their meeting that they had after one of their losses
24:48
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, like, hey, we're still in it for the
24:51
Speaker 1: for the playoff spot. And they are, but that's on
24:53
Speaker 1: the strength of their first two months of the season,
24:56
Speaker 1: not what we've seen lately. So they have some proving
24:58
Speaker 1: to do from here on out to make sure that
25:01
Speaker 1: things are okay. But right now they're not. Right now,
25:04
Speaker 1: they are not okay in what sense?
25:08
Speaker 6: In what sense are they not okay? Because the plan
25:11
Speaker 6: everybody the plan is always just make the playoffs. Right
25:14
Speaker 6: now they're in line to make the playoffs. Other teams are,
25:17
Speaker 6: you know, we'll put them on il for a little bit.
25:20
Speaker 6: Is this indicative of the team that they are or
25:24
Speaker 6: is this just a really rough stretch.
25:27
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you could be a fairly decent
25:30
Speaker 1: team and still go through a stretch where things are
25:32
Speaker 1: not okay, And right now they are going through a
25:34
Speaker 1: stretch where things are not okay. Will they be okay
25:37
Speaker 1: like down the road, Yeah, maybe, but they need some
25:40
Speaker 1: things to happen. First, Like, they need these guys to
25:42
Speaker 1: get healthier. Sean and I are for one, could I
25:44
Speaker 1: saying is another guy, Justy Winker is of low key
25:48
Speaker 1: importance to this group just because of what he brings
25:50
Speaker 1: to that lineup, and he's been missing. So they have
25:52
Speaker 1: some guys who are on the men who they expect
25:55
Speaker 1: to get back relatively soon. That said, though, like we've
25:59
Speaker 1: seen some things that are just not great from the Mets,
26:02
Speaker 1: whether it be the depth of say their bullpen or
26:04
Speaker 1: their pitching staff in general, which we thought was a
26:06
Speaker 1: little bit more of a strength, or frankly, their defense
26:09
Speaker 1: has not been good either, and that's been a season
26:12
Speaker 1: long issue for the most part. And so even when
26:14
Speaker 1: they do get these guys healthier from the pitching staff,
26:17
Speaker 1: they need to start helping their pitching staff out by
26:19
Speaker 1: catching the ball the ball a little bit better. And
26:21
Speaker 1: then offensively, you know, they have their top guys who
26:25
Speaker 1: are continuing to produce, but the lineup is just not
26:28
Speaker 1: as long as we thought. Like David Stearns and his
26:31
Speaker 1: group went into the season sort of expecting some good
26:34
Speaker 1: things out of Mark Fiento's at third base and Francisco
26:37
Speaker 1: Alvarez Thatt Catcher to sort of lengthen this lineup out
26:41
Speaker 1: a little bit in addition to those big key guys
26:43
Speaker 1: that they have, and that really has not happened the
26:45
Speaker 1: way that they wanted it to. Francisco Alvarez is of
26:48
Speaker 1: course in Triple A at this point, and Mark Fiento's yes,
26:51
Speaker 1: he just got back from the IL, and so I
26:53
Speaker 1: don't want to take out too much from a from
26:55
Speaker 1: a weekend, but he has not gotten going offensively, even
26:58
Speaker 1: dating back to when he was held before his stint
27:01
Speaker 1: on the IL. So you know, things could be okay
27:03
Speaker 1: down the road, but for right now, like they have
27:05
Speaker 1: some things that they need to iron out.
27:08
Speaker 8: Well, I just want to know this team meeting Ozzie Gan.
27:10
Speaker 8: I played for Ozzie Gan and he always said, good
27:13
Speaker 8: teams win, bad teams have meetings.
27:15
Speaker 9: Well, they had a.
27:15
Speaker 8: Team meeting on Saturday, and you're gonna tell me what
27:18
Speaker 8: you think was said.
27:19
Speaker 9: And then they went out and lose twelve to one
27:21
Speaker 9: on Sunday.
27:21
Speaker 8: So like, apparently the meeting didn't do much in thirty
27:25
Speaker 8: to four against the Pirates in a three game series.
27:27
Speaker 8: The worst series in the history of the match, which
27:29
Speaker 8: is a long history, is amazing.
27:31
Speaker 9: So what was said in this team meeting?
27:32
Speaker 8: Lindora apparently spoke, Alonso probably possibly spoke.
27:36
Speaker 9: What are these I was always a.
27:38
Speaker 8: Thing like, when you have team meeting, what do you
27:40
Speaker 8: really say? Everyone knows they got to be better. Oh,
27:42
Speaker 8: let's try harder. Baseball is not really a try harder sport.
27:46
Speaker 1: You're right, And I think that also, like you could
27:48
Speaker 1: have a meeting go fairly well, like it wasn't as
27:51
Speaker 1: if like this team has a whole lot of issues
27:53
Speaker 1: in their clubhouse. I don't think they do. I think
27:55
Speaker 1: they have a pretty veteran group that have gone through
27:57
Speaker 1: a lot of things and they've experienced. Hey, they and
28:01
Speaker 1: they experienced plenty just last year for instance. And then
28:03
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are back. A lot of
28:05
Speaker 1: these guys are the same guys, and they brought in
28:07
Speaker 1: others like Juan Soto, and so to answer some of
28:10
Speaker 1: your questions, Lindora was one of the guys who spoke,
28:12
Speaker 1: so was Pete Alonzo. Juan Soto said some things on
28:15
Speaker 1: the pitching side. I think that they have leaders like
28:17
Speaker 1: at David Peterson, who's been in the organization for a
28:20
Speaker 1: long time. Ryan Stanek, a veteran reliever ried Garrett's another guy.
28:25
Speaker 1: So they have guys in the room, and I think
28:27
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. And some guys pointed out to me
28:29
Speaker 1: even that, like when you do have whatever it was
28:32
Speaker 1: seven eight nine guys speak up during a meeting, that's
28:34
Speaker 1: probably a good thing where it's not just something that's
28:37
Speaker 1: ran by one or two people, like you have all
28:39
Speaker 1: these guys who are comfortable speaking up and saying their piece.
28:42
Speaker 1: But to your point, it doesn't always translate. Like you
28:44
Speaker 1: could have a pretty good group in that room, and morale,
28:47
Speaker 1: like they said or suggested, could be pretty high or
28:51
Speaker 1: fairly okay for relative to what they're going through right now,
28:54
Speaker 1: and it just not translates. And that's what we've seen.
28:56
Speaker 1: So I think Brandon Nimmo actually hit the nail on
28:58
Speaker 1: the head when he spoke to the media about the
29:00
Speaker 1: meeting and he said, look, it's not going to be
29:02
Speaker 1: something that gets fixed overnight. It's just not He said,
29:06
Speaker 1: I wish it was something like that, but that's just
29:08
Speaker 1: not usually how it works. And so I really appreciated
29:11
Speaker 1: just that perspective and that sort of realism that he
29:13
Speaker 1: brought to the conversation because some of their issues just
29:17
Speaker 1: won't be fixed that easily. Like these are things that
29:20
Speaker 1: maybe the dreadline at the deadline they could address, but
29:24
Speaker 1: they are also some season long things that just need
29:26
Speaker 1: to get better. And I just feel like it's a
29:28
Speaker 1: combination of a few different things, and it's just not
29:33
Speaker 1: something that a meeting is going to, like you said,
29:35
Speaker 1: AJ just all of a sudden switch things up and
29:39
Speaker 1: now they're going to play this inspired branded baseball and
29:41
Speaker 1: everything's going to be okay. They had the meeting, they
29:44
Speaker 1: fell down five nothing in the first inning, and then
29:46
Speaker 1: after that the game was pretty much over on Sunday.
29:49
Speaker 1: So it just hasn't translated. And it certainly was never
29:53
Speaker 1: going to be the one answer anyway though.
29:56
Speaker 6: But the one answer you said in the trade deadline
29:59
Speaker 6: you can find it and Suta you could address some issues.
30:01
Speaker 6: Is there any way that David Stern's kind of abandons
30:06
Speaker 6: his way of looking at pitching that he has had
30:09
Speaker 6: success in Milwaukee, had success until about sixteen games ago,
30:15
Speaker 6: about how you build a pitching roster. Does he abandon
30:17
Speaker 6: that at the trade deadline?
30:20
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't think you necessarily have
30:22
Speaker 1: to abandon the whole thing. You do need some help
30:24
Speaker 1: though there. They have yet to have a pitcher go
30:27
Speaker 1: and recorded out in the six hitting. I think it's
30:29
Speaker 1: up to thirteen straight games. That's a long time to
30:32
Speaker 1: go without somebody recording it out in the sixth inning
30:34
Speaker 1: for your starting staff, and it's weighed on the bullpen
30:37
Speaker 1: and it's forced them to show guys onto and off
30:40
Speaker 1: the roster, and they've needed to rely on these guys
30:43
Speaker 1: to get some big outs day in day out, and
30:45
Speaker 1: even when they've eased off on some of these relievers,
30:47
Speaker 1: just I feel like the communicative effect of needing to
30:51
Speaker 1: do this from the beginning of the season on has
30:53
Speaker 1: caught up to some of these guys from a command
30:55
Speaker 1: standpoint just not having it on some days, so they
30:58
Speaker 1: clearly need to address it. I feel like they need
31:00
Speaker 1: to get a starting pitcher. I don't know if there's
31:02
Speaker 1: going to be like that Ace caliber that's out there
31:05
Speaker 1: for them to go out and acquire, but they'd certainly
31:08
Speaker 1: need help. And I think that asking say Sean and
31:11
Speaker 1: Ia to come back and be the guy that he
31:13
Speaker 1: was in the second half after dealing with some health
31:15
Speaker 1: issues is asking a lot. I think that he has
31:18
Speaker 1: the potential to be that guy, but he has to
31:20
Speaker 1: demonstrate some health first, and so they're asking him to
31:24
Speaker 1: come back and be a prominent factor. He can be,
31:27
Speaker 1: but they really need Code I saying it, to be
31:28
Speaker 1: back from that hamstring issue and pick up where he
31:31
Speaker 1: left off as well. I think if you get those
31:33
Speaker 1: contributions plus add a starting pitcher to the mix that
31:37
Speaker 1: has some veteran experience and can give you some reliability
31:41
Speaker 1: as far as getting to the sixth inning at the
31:43
Speaker 1: very least, it helps things out. It really does, because
31:46
Speaker 1: they're just not at the point where I feel like
31:49
Speaker 1: they have somebody in TRIPLEA even that could really come
31:51
Speaker 1: up and make that much of a difference right now.
31:54
Speaker 1: They tried it a little bit with Blade tidwell mixed
31:57
Speaker 1: results at best, and I just feel like at this
31:59
Speaker 1: point season, with a few weeks left to go before
32:01
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, it's definitely been an area where they're
32:04
Speaker 1: going to need to address, and for me, it's their
32:06
Speaker 1: biggest concern.
32:08
Speaker 2: A well, last one for you thoughts on the offense here,
32:12
Speaker 2: I mean that seems to be the one part that
32:14
Speaker 2: I think is a world series lineup, especially with the
32:17
Speaker 2: way that obviously Wan Soto just dominated the month of
32:20
Speaker 2: June I mean, where would they be without the lineup
32:22
Speaker 2: they put together this month.
32:25
Speaker 1: Well, it should be, it just has not produced in
32:27
Speaker 1: the way that you could convince me that it is
32:29
Speaker 1: right now, because to your point, like Juan Soto is
32:32
Speaker 1: coming off a really historic tune. I mean, he put
32:35
Speaker 1: together one of the best calendar months in franchise history
32:38
Speaker 1: when you account for his walks, the power that we've seen,
32:40
Speaker 1: just the way that he dominated, dominated and dictated, dictated
32:43
Speaker 1: so many at bats. It was just unreal to watch
32:46
Speaker 1: on a day and day basis, and they didn't really
32:49
Speaker 1: take much advantage of it. They've gone through this tough
32:52
Speaker 1: stretch of sixteen games or so and it's just has
32:55
Speaker 1: not been good. As much as the pitching has been
32:58
Speaker 1: an issue, and it's probably their biggest issue, the offense
33:01
Speaker 1: hasn't really helped them that much. And it's a shame
33:03
Speaker 1: because when you went into this season, you kind of
33:06
Speaker 1: figured that, like it would be the lineup, it would
33:08
Speaker 1: be the offense that pick things up for the pitching staff,
33:10
Speaker 1: and it wasn't happening in the first couple of months
33:12
Speaker 1: of the season. But their starting staff in particular, and
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Speaker 1: their pitching staff as a whole, was so good that
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Speaker 1: it didn't really matter that much. But right now, in
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Speaker 1: these last few weeks, it has really been on the
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Speaker 1: offense to pick up the slack and they haven't done so.
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Speaker 1: So when I look at this lineup, that sort of
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Speaker 1: baffles me, because you have Lindor, you have Soto, you
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Speaker 1: have Alonso, you have Nimo, you have McNeil. Those are
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Speaker 1: five guys right there, and then you add in some
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Speaker 1: of the young talent that they have and it's like, okay,
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Speaker 1: like one through nine, you should be pretty deep here,
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Speaker 1: just hasn't happened. I think it's between six, seven, eight
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Speaker 1: nine most days, the fifth spot as well, before Jeff
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Speaker 1: McNeil's hot streak a hot stretch, they just haven't gotten
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Speaker 1: enough from the back end of their lineup. And so
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Speaker 1: when that happens, and if one of your star players
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Speaker 1: goes into a little bit of a slump, you simply
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Speaker 1: can't afford it. And I feel like that's what's been
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Speaker 1: going on so far for the Mets. It's particularly this month,
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Speaker 1: you will.
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Speaker 8: It's our schedule eases up though they get the Brewers
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Speaker 8: and the Yankees coming up the next series.
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Speaker 4: At least, do you know who they have in the
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Speaker 4: Brewer series that they're facing.
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Speaker 2: Freddie Pea, Maze and Kutana against his old team who's
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Speaker 2: gonna try and carve them, and.
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Speaker 4: Then the Yankees, and that is a tough little stretch
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Speaker 4: coming up. Well, well we might.
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Speaker 9: Least a new month. At least it's a new month though,
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Speaker 9: so they can look at that. They can have a
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Speaker 9: meeting stage to light June.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Well, yeah, exactly, Thank thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Everyone good will follow. He does great notes with Ken
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Speaker 2: rosenthal To in the Athletic. Check out his articles and
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Speaker 2: we'll be right back. Oh and we have a met
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Speaker 2: show called nets Up. As those two are going through
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Speaker 2: it right now. I would love I haven't done it yet,
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Speaker 2: but I will be very excited to listen to uh
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Speaker 2: Mark and James just absolutely go through their therapy session
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Speaker 2: from the weekend. So make sure you check out Mets Up,
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Speaker 2: So if you hate the Mets, you might have fun
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Speaker 2: with the latest episode. We're Backlet size up the NL
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Speaker 2: East for a couple of minutes. Kratz the Phillies took
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Speaker 2: two out of three from the Braves. As we talked
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Speaker 2: about I mean, the Braves might make a crazy run
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Speaker 2: for a wild card. They're not catching up in the division.
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Speaker 2: But what do you think about the Phillies getting Bryce
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Speaker 2: Harper back? While the Mets looked at a series against
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Speaker 2: the Pirates and thought, man, at least we're going to
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Speaker 2: take two out of three, they got stopped.
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Speaker 6: They scored some runs, I mean Phillies specifically, they actually
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Speaker 6: scored some runs. Some Schwellenbach held them down yesterday. Ranger Suarez,
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Speaker 6: who's sneaky, having a ridiculous season. Yeah, besides one clunker,
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Speaker 6: he's been doing unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: But they need Harper.
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Speaker 6: They need Harper, but they don't just need Harper of
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Speaker 6: who he was. They need Harper like who he was
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Speaker 6: other years. Because it's Turner, Schwarber and Bom driving guys in.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 6: And that's really like you look at their ops's it's high.
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Speaker 6: They're they but they pitch the absolute lights out like
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Speaker 6: they're they're pitching. Their starting rotation is the best in
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Speaker 6: the game right now on the field, not on the roster.
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Speaker 2: On the field, and Dombrowski a j has mentioned how
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Speaker 2: obviously they're going to do something with the bullpen since Albarado.
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Speaker 4: You know, he's not going to be playoff eligible and
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Speaker 4: they just need help in the back end anyway.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but do they need to kind of switch up
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Speaker 2: the offensive flow because that's the problem for them in
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Speaker 2: the playoffs.
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Speaker 4: It's top heavy though.
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Speaker 9: They just need somebody at the bottom to figure out.
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Speaker 1: They need j T to get going again.
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Speaker 6: They need.
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Speaker 4: You for
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Speaker 9: Ye