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Andrew Dickens: What I make of Andrew Coster's bold claims · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: So what do you make of the Andrew Costa interview
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  Speaker 1: on Q and A yesterday? First question is why did
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  Speaker 1: he do it? Well, Obviously he felt he had been
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  Speaker 1: thrown under the bus by Judith Collins, Mark Mitchell and
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  Speaker 1: Richard Chambers at that recent press conference, so he was
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  Speaker 1: prepared to throw them under the bus as well. So
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  Speaker 1: he did the interview. And he does have a point
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  Speaker 1: when the IPCA report did not mention corruption, but the
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  Speaker 1: politicians and the new police commissioner inferred it, so he
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  Speaker 1: had to protect his name, and the protection of his
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  Speaker 1: name is the reason he negotiated with the Public Service
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner in the delay in resigning from his latest job.
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  Speaker 1: In frankly, I don't blame him. And what did the
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  Speaker 1: Public Service commissioners say about him? He told Mike last
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  Speaker 1: week that Andrew Costa always seemed genuine in all his
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  Speaker 1: dealings with them. So the problem is with the throwing
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  Speaker 1: under the bus is that Costa has no proof of
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  Speaker 1: his claims, and so now we have a ridiculous he said,
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  Speaker 1: he said situation, and nobody is able to provide concrete
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  Speaker 1: proof of what they said or may not have said
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  Speaker 1: at the time. Now Costa may have brief Mitchell and
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  Speaker 1: Hipkins of the situation. But what does that mean? Which
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  Speaker 1: situation was he talking about? How much detail did he do?
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  Speaker 1: Was he telling them, Oh, yeah, Mick Sgibbons had an affair,
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  Speaker 1: it's gone a bit wrong. Or did he tell him, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the police force has been covering up one of them own.
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  Speaker 1: How much detail of anything did he give them in
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  Speaker 1: these informal briefings. Who knows, because no one was keeping notes.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, The fascinating fact he mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: that interview is that the police is a three billion
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  Speaker 1: dollar business, which makes the job of police commissioner one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest CEO positions in our economy. And ask
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  Speaker 1: any CEO whether they take notes of any conversation about
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  Speaker 1: their business, and they'll tell you it's imperative. Loose lips ships.
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  Speaker 1: One would have thought that taking notes after a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about this sort of stuff is imperative for a commissioner,
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  Speaker 1: also for any minister of the crown as well. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, mister Hipkins and mister Mitchell. My
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  Speaker 1: whole impression after the interview is that everyone was a
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  Speaker 1: bit loose. It's a tawdry tale of bad judgment. At
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  Speaker 1: the top of our public service, both the public servants
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  Speaker 1: and of course the politicians. And remember the buck always
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  Speaker 1: stops at the top, and the politicians are at the top.
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  Speaker 1: It also reminded me that the political battles at the
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  Speaker 1: top levels of our public service are actually very vicious
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  Speaker 1: affairs and everyone plays a very hard game. And Richard
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  Speaker 1: Chambers was in competition with a very competent police officer,
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  Speaker 1: Ed mcskimming who had a hidden sex life and a
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  Speaker 1: pre election for animals. But you have to wonder how
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  Speaker 1: Richard ch Chambers in that competition didn't know anything on
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  Speaker 1: what did he know? Who knows who was taking notes? Nobody,
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  Speaker 1: So at the end of it all, one can only
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  Speaker 1: hope that mister Costa and missus z find some new
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  Speaker 1: normal and some peace and everyone learns to take their
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  Speaker 1: jobs more seriously. For more from Earlily Edition with Ryan Bridge,
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