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Dolphins TRADE Jaylen Waddle to Broncos, Maxx Crosby reacts to failed Ravens trade, NFL Offseason Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is happening, my people? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: I'm John, This is three and our podcast, and I
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Speaker 1: gotta give the content gods a big time fist bound
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Speaker 1: because we got a massive trade this morning on a
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Speaker 1: day that might have shaped up to not be great
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Speaker 1: because there wasn't that much going on, but the Denver
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Speaker 1: Broncos and Sean Payton made a bold move to trade
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Speaker 1: for Jalen Waddle, give up a first round pick, a
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Speaker 1: third round pick. They swapped four. So we will dive
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Speaker 1: into that trade from the Broncos side to the Dolphin side.
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Speaker 1: My first reactions to both after I kind of let
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Speaker 1: it marinate. Some thoughts how this impacts Howie Roseman and
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Speaker 1: his Star Wars right receiver Max Crosby did a podcast
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Speaker 1: today and I think he kind of verified what most
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Speaker 1: of us thought in terms of the Ravens backing out
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Speaker 1: the dog days of the offseason. Then that'd probably be
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Speaker 1: like June, this is this is not bad at all.
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Speaker 1: Actually this is this is a fantastic time of year.
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Speaker 1: We got the NCAA tournament right around the corner. I
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Speaker 1: think I picked Arkansas to win the whole thing. In
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Speaker 1: our bracket challenge, I need to throw a curveball because
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Speaker 1: I can't just pick chock, even though that's probably what
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Speaker 1: it will be. My bracket's terrible. I got no chance
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Speaker 1: to win it unless it gets really chaotic. Because I
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Speaker 1: got I got crazy. Yeah, let's dive it. As a
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Speaker 1: football we obviously got to start with the massive trade
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Speaker 1: that Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos executed this morning.
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Speaker 1: They trade for Jalen Waddle, former number six overall pick,
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Speaker 1: very productive young player, never been a Pro Bowl or
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Speaker 1: never been an All Pro. They trade for Jalen Wattle,
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Speaker 1: who's under under contract. They get a fourth rounder with
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Speaker 1: Jen Waddle, but they give up pick thirty, their third
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Speaker 1: round pick, and they essentially swap force with Miami. So
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Speaker 1: Miami gets there for which is at the end of
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Speaker 1: the round, and they get Miami's four, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: closer to the top, so you know, swaps the force
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Speaker 1: and essentially pick thirty and a third for Jalen Waddle.
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Speaker 1: And my original thought when I kind of gave it
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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes to process, this is the type
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Speaker 1: trade you make when a coach has all the juice. Now,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people
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Speaker 1: that they paid a lot. I mean, they paid an
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Speaker 1: astronomical amount for a guy who is very talented and
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a good player for them,
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Speaker 1: But based on his history, I saw someone put the
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Speaker 1: stats of DJ Moore and Jalen Waddle the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years next to each other. There's not that gigantic
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Speaker 1: of a difference. Now, I think most people in the
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Speaker 1: league would rather have Jalen Waddle. But they paid a
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Speaker 1: lot more. Last time I checked, pick sixties a lot
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Speaker 1: different than pick thirty in a third rounder. So Denver
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Speaker 1: paid a premium to acquire this player. And it does
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Speaker 1: have some similarities of you know, John Schneider's in complete
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Speaker 1: control now in Seattle, but for a long time Pete
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Speaker 1: Carroll was the boss, and they made some kind of
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Speaker 1: insane trades. Why because coaches like don't value draft picks
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Speaker 1: like a front office. They live in the here and now.
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is obsessed with Week one and winning in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, which obviously you should be, but they
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Speaker 1: are less concerned with salary cap implications. What are we
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Speaker 1: going to do in a couple of years and what
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Speaker 1: can we do right now? Getting a twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old guy who more than likely will need a contract
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Speaker 1: extension at the end of this year, and you make
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Speaker 1: this trade with I think the thought of this going
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Speaker 1: well and us giving him a contract extension. He comes
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Speaker 1: cheap this year in the sense that his cap hit
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Speaker 1: is like four million dollars, less than two percent of
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Speaker 1: the salary cap, so it's an easy transition. The actual
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Speaker 1: cash payout isn't that much, but you're not exactly trading
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Speaker 1: for I would say, someone that's widely considered the best
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Speaker 1: or one of the best wide receivers in the league.
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Speaker 1: We'll get into aj Brown a little bit later, Like
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Speaker 1: he's got a much more decorated resume as a wide
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Speaker 1: receiver now. Jalen Wattell is a smaller player, a quick player,
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Speaker 1: a versatile player. His most productive year of his career
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Speaker 1: was his rookie season. Obviously, the quarterback play there the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years has been an abomination, which I
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Speaker 1: don't hold against him now. To me, the negative is
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Speaker 1: just it's a lot now. The positive is the head coach,
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Speaker 1: who clearly was the guy leading the charge on this
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Speaker 1: is also, I know he's technically not the play caller.
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Speaker 1: The offense is his baby. So scheming up versatile players
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Speaker 1: is something he has a long history with. And when
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Speaker 1: you look back in the New Orleans like they had
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Speaker 1: different guys that they utilized in a lot of different places.
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Speaker 1: So when you get a guy like Jalen Waddle, you
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Speaker 1: can move around and do things with you feel good.
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Speaker 1: Like if a defensive coach had made this trade, I'd
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Speaker 1: be like, that's insane. I understand it more. And let's
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Speaker 1: also factor in they view themselves as a player away,
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Speaker 1: because you do not make this trade if you don't
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Speaker 1: say this guy is the missing piece to add some
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Speaker 1: speed playmaking elements to our offense and gets us over
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Speaker 1: the hump next year to win the Super Bowl. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to win a super Bowl
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Speaker 1: for this to be a boom or bus trade, but
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Speaker 1: you better be right where you were last year, right
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Speaker 1: in the mix in the AFC Championship game, because that's
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Speaker 1: why you make this move, because you think you have
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Speaker 1: the roster, a lot of guys returning obviously, a fantastic defense,
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Speaker 1: a good offensive line, a quarterback on a rookie deal
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Speaker 1: who wasn't even a top ten pick. So it's a
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Speaker 1: really cheap rookie deal relative like you know, Caleb and
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Speaker 1: Drake and Jayden, they are very cost friendly, but they
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Speaker 1: still you know, when you're number one, number two overall,
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Speaker 1: you sign him four year, forty million dollar deals, they're
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Speaker 1: not zero, right, They're not brock Purty. So you got
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Speaker 1: brought you got bo Nicks, who you know, you keep
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Speaker 1: your fingers crossed, is going to be fully healthy coming
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Speaker 1: back from this ankle injury. And you're all in. And
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Speaker 1: I've said this forever. I do appreciate the Bills have
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Speaker 1: been doing this. You know, the Ravens kind of did this,
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Speaker 1: then they backed out. We'll dive into Max Crosby a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. The Eagles have done this for a
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Speaker 1: couple of years. Put all your chips in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the table. And you know Sean Payton, he not
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Speaker 1: forty eight, right, He's trying to win a Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: become a legend, and be a guy that won a
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl for multiple different teams, which obviously hasn't happened
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Speaker 1: many times. I have to google it. I'm sure it
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Speaker 1: has happened before. But I think this was a very
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Speaker 1: very ballsy move for Denver. Like I understand it, I
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Speaker 1: would say the front office scout now in me goes, WHOA,
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Speaker 1: that's a lot. That's a lot, right, And especially for
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Speaker 1: a smaller guy. You play in a cold weather area,
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Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City outdoors, freezing cold, teams. If you
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Speaker 1: do not have home field advantage, places you have to
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Speaker 1: go cold weather places like Buffalo, Baltimore. These are environments
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Speaker 1: where bigger, more physical wide receivers typically are the type
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Speaker 1: guys you're inclined to go to war with. So from
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Speaker 1: a body type standpoint, it's gonna be interesting to see
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Speaker 1: how that plays out in the biggest games when it
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Speaker 1: gets freezing cold. And the other thing is like how
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Speaker 1: good is bo Nicks? That to me is a fair question,
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Speaker 1: like this is gonna come down to and listen, bow
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Speaker 1: Knicks is several years away before we even discuss contract extensions.
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Speaker 1: But to me, now, this puts a ton of pressure
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Speaker 1: on him to step up his game. Obviously, he had
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Speaker 1: really good, good moments last year, some clutch moments, but
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Speaker 1: there were a ton of games we all watched it
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Speaker 1: where he was atrocious. He had some abominable games, like
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Speaker 1: games that you're like, what is going on with an
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Speaker 1: offensive head coach? And then at the end of the
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Speaker 1: year he fired a bunch of guys on his offensive
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Speaker 1: staffs wide receiver coach, an offensive coordinator elevates his young hotshot.
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Speaker 1: They have an ownership group with unlimited funds. It's not
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Speaker 1: quite Steve Balmer rich, but the walls are pretty rich
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Speaker 1: and money is not an issue, so the resources behind
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Speaker 1: this team are plentiful. And I think when you look
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Speaker 1: at Denver and you look at Sean Payton, I just
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Speaker 1: think this is a coach driven organization. This is the
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Speaker 1: type move that I don't think a lot of gms
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Speaker 1: would have signed off on. But when you're head coach
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Speaker 1: is your offensive mastermind and he's kind of living year
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Speaker 1: to year, this is the type move you make. So
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Speaker 1: I understand it. I think it's a lot, but wow,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way around. I saw this video
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Speaker 1: go viral yesterday of a keep to leave saying that
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Speaker 1: Denver has reinforcements coming, so clearly he had heard rumors
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Speaker 1: of this happening, that they will get a playmaker. I
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Speaker 1: kind of thought, like, damn, Denver's gonna trade for aj Brown.
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Speaker 1: That there were some reports I guess coming out of
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Speaker 1: Miami that Jalen Waddle was not available but or not
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Speaker 1: on the trade block, And honestly, if you told me
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Speaker 1: he wasn't on the trade block, I'd believe you. This
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Speaker 1: is the type deal, especially we'll get into Miami here
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Speaker 1: in a second. When you're rebuilding. It's almost too good
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Speaker 1: to be true. Like, I'm not looking to move out
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Speaker 1: of my house, right, I'm cool here. We'll spend ideally
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Speaker 1: several more years, have another child. If someone knocked on
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Speaker 1: my door tomorrow and made an offer, as was once
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Speaker 1: famously said, too good to refuse, I'm gonna make the
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Speaker 1: man an offer he can't refuse. I would say, Yes,
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Speaker 1: we all have a price. We all have a number
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Speaker 1: for a lot of different things in life. It's no
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Speaker 1: different with players. There are some guys in the league
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Speaker 1: who are truly untouchable, right, Mahomesh Josh Allen Like it's
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Speaker 1: a pretty short list actually, right, most players like that.
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Speaker 1: How much you offer? Uh yeah, we'll think long and
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Speaker 1: hard about that. Here you go like Atlanta, like, do
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Speaker 1: they want to trade Bijon? Are they going anywhere? Of
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Speaker 1: course not. But Bjeon's a star. You build around them.
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Speaker 1: If someone made an offer that was just too good
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Speaker 1: to refuse, it would be uh, you know, not doing
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Speaker 1: your job to not think long and hard about it.
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm not trading Bijon for you know,
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Speaker 1: one in two twos, But if you offer me two ones,
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Speaker 1: two twos and two threes. If we don't have a long,
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Speaker 1: long conversation over it, we're not doing our job. That
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Speaker 1: this is the business we're in, player acquisition, player transactions.
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Speaker 1: And to me, this is the type move because you
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Speaker 1: just signed Malik Willis Uh. I don't think your plan
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Speaker 1: was to just ship this guy out of town. By
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Speaker 1: all accounts, high character, you know, good player, durable player.
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Speaker 1: I saw someone say he's only missed five games in
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Speaker 1: a six year career, so for being a smaller guy,
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Speaker 1: it's not like he misses a bunch of time for
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Speaker 1: being a speed explosive player. But I just think you
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Speaker 1: get an offer like this, you're like, we would be
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Speaker 1: negligent to almost say no. And that's why I think
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Speaker 1: this goes down. And I would imagine that there was
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Speaker 1: nothing close to this if they did just stop start
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Speaker 1: shopping this offer with other teams interested in wide receivers,
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Speaker 1: like hey, would you be interested in this? I would
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Speaker 1: imagine they got a lot of notes. And that's why
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Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle is now on the Denver Broncos. And I
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Speaker 1: think from the Miami standpoint, it's Schefter tweeted this out
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Speaker 1: that they are going to have a hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: five million dollars in dead money. Obviously TU accounts for
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Speaker 1: a ton of that. Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle, guys like
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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey who hasn't even been on the team for
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Speaker 1: a year. They are going to take it on the chin.
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Speaker 1: They are essentially doing what And listen, I respect the Steelers.
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Speaker 1: I've said this over and over for just always attempting
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Speaker 1: to compete even if you get losing the first round
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Speaker 1: every single year, typically by multiple touchdowns. But like they
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Speaker 1: just refuse to do this. And if you are willing
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Speaker 1: to do this, you can reset the franchise. And that's
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Speaker 1: what they will attempt to do. Now they have pick eleven,
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Speaker 1: they got pick thirty, they have a second round pick,
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Speaker 1: they got a ton of third round picks, like they
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Speaker 1: have a lot of ammo. But when you do this,
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Speaker 1: and more than likely they're not going to be any
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Speaker 1: good this year, which will lead to more good picks
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Speaker 1: next year. But part of that process, and when you
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Speaker 1: hit the nuclear button in football and the bomb goes off,
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Speaker 1: and that's what Miami has done. You got to enable
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Speaker 1: to pick, you got to come out with a ton
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Speaker 1: of impact players the next couple of years. Because the
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Speaker 1: Malik Willis signing. I think a lot of people probably
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Speaker 1: initially thought, oh, they're going to try to compete this
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Speaker 1: year to be just decent and a competitive team. I
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Speaker 1: think they just needed a quarterback. They wanted to get
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Speaker 1: a guy in the building that they knew they feel
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Speaker 1: comfortable with, a guy on the come is still a
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Speaker 1: younger player that you can just get the train back
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Speaker 1: on the tracks. It was less about like, oh, we
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Speaker 1: think we can be a playoff team, because clearly that's
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Speaker 1: not what they're trying to do. They're trying to reset
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Speaker 1: this thing through the draft. And now they have a
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Speaker 1: bunch of picks with the GM that was trained and
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Speaker 1: learned the Green Bay model, which is draft and developed,
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Speaker 1: but part of drafting and developed. And this is why
14:42
Speaker 1: Green Bay has been good for decades on you know,
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Speaker 1: on end is they hit on a lot of picks
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Speaker 1: and I've seen I saw it firsthand when I was
14:52
Speaker 1: living in the Bay Area and John Gruden traded Khalil
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Speaker 1: Mack and Amari Cooper in the same year and they
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of first round picks and then when
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Speaker 1: the dust set, like all they had to really show
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Speaker 1: for it was like Josh Jacobs. So to me, when
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Speaker 1: you have these picks and you have this ammunition, it's
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Speaker 1: just about coming out of it with guys who are
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Speaker 1: gonna be on your team, winning, impactful players, who are
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Speaker 1: gonna be second contract guys, because if they're not, then
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Like eating it and taking on the
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Speaker 1: chin and eating one hundred and seventy five million dollars
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Speaker 1: is all for not. I think those two guys that
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Speaker 1: they hired are really really impressive. Right, Like, if I
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Speaker 1: was an owner, would I have allowed my coach or
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Speaker 1: GM to do the Jalen Waddle trade? Probably not. If
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Speaker 1: my coach is Sean Payton, is Andy Reid, is Sean
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Speaker 1: McVay and they want to do it, I'm much more
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Speaker 1: inclined to be, like, I trust you, go ahead, pull
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Speaker 1: the trigger when you got the Aaron Glenn's of the world,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannons and these guys that are like god, not
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Speaker 1: even gonna be around next year. It's why a lot
15:52
Speaker 1: of these trades don't happen with the bad teams because
15:54
Speaker 1: the owner's like, no, this is crazy, like that, we're
15:56
Speaker 1: not getting rid of our dry powder for a guy
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Speaker 1: that I don't even believe it. But now Sean Payton
16:01
Speaker 1: has proven these last couple of years, the playoffs, the
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Speaker 1: first year when they get bo Nicks. Second year, they're
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Speaker 1: hosting the AFC Championship Game, and I think they chock
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Speaker 1: it up to like crazy Blizzard and we'd never starting quarterback.
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Speaker 1: So it's like we easily could have been in the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That he develops a lot of equity and
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Speaker 1: trust and you allow him to do that, And I
16:21
Speaker 1: think if you are Steven Ross, you feel pretty good,
16:24
Speaker 1: like that's a big time move. You were able to
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Speaker 1: move a guy that we drafted six overall that has
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Speaker 1: been a really productive player. But it's not like he's
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Speaker 1: been justin Jefferson. We're not talking Jamar Chase. We're not
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Speaker 1: talking AJ Brown, and you flip him for a first
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Speaker 1: and a third and a pick swap in the fourth, Like,
16:43
Speaker 1: these guys are good at their job. That's the way
16:46
Speaker 1: to immediately impress the guy that are signing your checks.
16:50
Speaker 1: That's the way immediately to get equity within the building
16:53
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, these guys know what they're doing for
16:55
Speaker 1: the first time. What it feels like in a while,
16:57
Speaker 1: Miami has been really poorly run, like and I'll say this,
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Speaker 1: all the time. The point of the of the gig.
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Speaker 1: If you're Sean Payton, if you're Sean McVay or any
17:06
Speaker 1: of these guys that do these ballsy moves like draft picks,
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Speaker 1: as long as you win, that's the point of your job.
17:13
Speaker 1: It's to the NFL. They have two goals as a team,
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Speaker 1: win and make money. So it's like whether it's the draft,
17:19
Speaker 1: whether it's no one gives a shit if you win
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Speaker 1: twelve thirteen games, how many picks you had free agents.
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Speaker 1: If you keep winning, no one complains, not a soul
17:27
Speaker 1: Like Trey Lance trade was a disaster. Ultimately didn't matter
17:30
Speaker 1: why because the forty nine ers just kept on chugging
17:33
Speaker 1: and winning. If they hadn't, it would have been a problem.
17:36
Speaker 1: So as long as Sean Payton keeps winning, whether Jaylen
17:38
Speaker 1: Lwatta lives up to the hype or not, as long
17:42
Speaker 1: as if they win the division and they're back in
17:44
Speaker 1: the playoffs, hosting playoff games like that's all that matters.
17:47
Speaker 1: And that's where you can get away with doing some
17:50
Speaker 1: stuff that most teams wouldn't do. If your coach is elite,
17:53
Speaker 1: if your team is really good, and if you're in
17:55
Speaker 1: Miami you're not even close to being close, So detonating
17:59
Speaker 1: and blow up the thing. When you get options like
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Speaker 1: this on the table is the right move to do,
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Speaker 1: and you take it on the chin, eat one hundred
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Speaker 1: and seventy five million dollars and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: if you hit on all these picks, which their general
18:11
Speaker 1: manager I think John Eric Sullivan is his name, who
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Speaker 1: has been trained by probably the most consistent scouting staff
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Speaker 1: in the league since the early nineties, does his job well.
18:23
Speaker 1: Everything will work out big picture, but there's going to
18:26
Speaker 1: be a ton of pressure on this team over the
18:28
Speaker 1: course of the next two years in the drafts to
18:31
Speaker 1: hit on these guys. And I think part of the
18:34
Speaker 1: reason they wanted to take a little pressure off we
18:36
Speaker 1: get Malik Willison here. It just gives us a little
18:39
Speaker 1: wigger room because what if next year they win five
18:41
Speaker 1: or six games and they're drafting ninth or eleventh again
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Speaker 1: in not one and they don't have the ability to
18:48
Speaker 1: get let's say, next year there's only two sweet quarterbacks,
18:51
Speaker 1: like you don't have to force feed it, and I
18:54
Speaker 1: don't think you ever want to be in a position
18:55
Speaker 1: where you're forcing a quarterback. We saw that with Trey Lance.
18:59
Speaker 1: We saw that with Anthony Richardson. We saw that it
19:02
Speaker 1: felt like with JJ McCarthy in those type situations when
19:06
Speaker 1: you make deals out of desperation or where you get
19:10
Speaker 1: yourself in trouble, whether it's in a relationship, whether it's
19:13
Speaker 1: in whatever businesses we all work in, or whether it's football.
19:16
Speaker 1: So I think that Miami is trying to just give
19:19
Speaker 1: themselves some wiggle room, give themselves some margin freer, have
19:23
Speaker 1: more picks, have a quarterback who you feel pretty good about,
19:26
Speaker 1: who's still young, and who knows, maybe he just becomes
19:30
Speaker 1: a good player. Like I think he was a good
19:32
Speaker 1: player based on what we've seen in Green Bay last year.
19:35
Speaker 1: But if he can just maintain this and I can
19:37
Speaker 1: build around him, I don't have to force a quarterback
19:40
Speaker 1: if a pick that I don't have the ability to
19:42
Speaker 1: get one of the guys that I want, Because I
19:44
Speaker 1: think anytime that you're forcing a quarterback and taking a
19:47
Speaker 1: guy that you don't feel great about, that's in the
19:50
Speaker 1: first round. That's where it blows up in your face.
19:52
Speaker 1: So props to Miami for blowing this, you know what up,
19:57
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be fascinated to see what they do
19:59
Speaker 1: in the drafts. See a lot of people there take
20:01
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, like you don't have to do anything.
20:03
Speaker 1: When you have one hundred and seventy five million dollars
20:05
Speaker 1: in dead cap, You're just gonna take the best player available.
20:08
Speaker 1: They don't have to take a wide receiver at eleven,
20:10
Speaker 1: they don't have to take a wide receiver at thirty.
20:12
Speaker 1: They just need to take high end players who are
20:15
Speaker 1: gonna be second contract guys for them and good for
20:18
Speaker 1: them for a while. It's not about filling a positional
20:21
Speaker 1: need at this point. It's about getting the organization and
20:25
Speaker 1: the franchise moving in the right direction, because the other
20:29
Speaker 1: problem is is obviously the Jets are a laughing stock,
20:32
Speaker 1: not just in the NFL but in all of American sports.
20:35
Speaker 1: You know who's not a laughing stock The New England
20:37
Speaker 1: Patriots now with Mike Vrabel and Drake May. Obviously, the
20:40
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen. That's four games a year
20:43
Speaker 1: that you know, this year you probably gets swept, you know,
20:46
Speaker 1: which is fine, And I think best case scenario if
20:49
Speaker 1: you're Miami is Malik Willis shows signs of being a
20:53
Speaker 1: good player, and you lose a lot of games it's like,
20:55
Speaker 1: you feel pretty good about Malik, but you don't like
20:58
Speaker 1: win more than four games, and your coach kind of
21:00
Speaker 1: gets to work out the kinks of being the headman,
21:03
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be the guy in charge.
21:06
Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty seven, you've had a good
21:08
Speaker 1: draft class, you have more opportunities with high picks in
21:12
Speaker 1: each round to kind of really get this thing moving
21:14
Speaker 1: in the right direction. And this is what a lot
21:18
Speaker 1: of good teams just can't ever fathom doing. Like Sean
21:22
Speaker 1: McVay is on Amazon Prime with Al Michaels or Noah
21:25
Speaker 1: Eagle or whoever before he's ever doing this, right, Kyle
21:28
Speaker 1: Shanahan is quitting the forty nine ers before he's ever
21:32
Speaker 1: doing this. This is not something that veteran guys trying
21:36
Speaker 1: to win are going to partake in. This is the
21:39
Speaker 1: type organization that when you hire two first time GM
21:43
Speaker 1: and head coach and you give them the latitude and
21:47
Speaker 1: the responsibility of like it's cool, man, or like I'm
21:51
Speaker 1: not gonna hold you accountable for having a terrible first year.
21:55
Speaker 1: Cause that's what the Jets it felt like, Oh they're
21:57
Speaker 1: actually kind of close. They got some good players. They
21:59
Speaker 1: try just fields, and then they were just like an
22:02
Speaker 1: all time abomination, and now it feels like everyone's kind
22:05
Speaker 1: of walking on eggshells and potentially everyone gets fired at
22:08
Speaker 1: the end of the year when they suck again. And
22:10
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that Steven Ross laid it on the
22:15
Speaker 1: table of like, I'm cool with you doing this right,
22:18
Speaker 1: I'm cool with not quote unquote tanking. But you can
22:22
Speaker 1: tank through getting rid of all of our players and
22:25
Speaker 1: just not having a good team and building around and
22:28
Speaker 1: playing all the young guys all season long and getting
22:32
Speaker 1: making them, you know, working on their development for a
22:36
Speaker 1: couple of years when we're ready to roll. So props
22:40
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22:44
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25:01
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, NA Steve, Virginia. I also think that
25:10
Speaker 1: this has massive, massive ripple effects because when DJ Moore
25:14
Speaker 1: got traded to the Buffalo or yeah, the Buffalo bills
25:18
Speaker 1: for pick sixty, I think Howie was like, well, I mean,
25:21
Speaker 1: AJ is much more accomplished, three times second team All Pro. Obviously,
25:26
Speaker 1: when he's right, he's one of the I don't know
25:29
Speaker 1: best five wide receivers in the league. Physically, he's just
25:32
Speaker 1: a beast like that trade, Like, I'm hanging up. If
25:36
Speaker 1: you're offering me picks in the late fifties, right, then
25:39
Speaker 1: this happens this morning. And if you're Howie, like, okay,
25:43
Speaker 1: if you call on AJ Brown, this is the world
25:46
Speaker 1: we're in. And let's be real. AJ Brown is way
25:49
Speaker 1: more accomplished than this guy. So if they're doing a
25:52
Speaker 1: pick swap in the fourth they're getting a third and
25:55
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Like, if you start the conversation
25:59
Speaker 1: with less than that, like, I'm just going to hang
26:02
Speaker 1: up on you, because at the end of the day,
26:04
Speaker 1: I will keep the player before I give him. Do
26:08
Speaker 1: you for like a second and a fourth round pick?
26:10
Speaker 1: That is not happening. The market is now set. We
26:14
Speaker 1: talk about it in real estate all the time. If
26:16
Speaker 1: your next door neighbor's house sells for six hundred grand
26:20
Speaker 1: and you live right next to him, same floor plan,
26:23
Speaker 1: similar lot, and you're trying to sell for one point
26:25
Speaker 1: five million dollars, good luck, buddy, godspeed. The market is
26:30
Speaker 1: no different In football. Player comps are a big deal,
26:33
Speaker 1: whether it's free agency or trades. And I think the
26:37
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle trade for all the teams in the AJ
26:42
Speaker 1: Brown sweepstakes gotta be like, Holy Sean, did you really
26:47
Speaker 1: have to do that? Because how He can't in good
26:51
Speaker 1: conscious conscience pull the trigger on a trade that at
26:57
Speaker 1: minimum is an exact That so a pick in the
27:01
Speaker 1: late twenties and a third round pick, and let's be
27:04
Speaker 1: really probably want more. I mean, Trent McDuffie, who is
27:08
Speaker 1: a multiple time All Pro, widely considered one of, if
27:12
Speaker 1: not the best slot corners, and can be a really
27:14
Speaker 1: good player outside as well, got traded for pick twenty
27:17
Speaker 1: nine and a bunch of stuff in the sixth and
27:20
Speaker 1: seventh round. Now that was a little more complicated because
27:22
Speaker 1: they had to give him a big contract extension. But
27:25
Speaker 1: like pick twenty nine's last time I checked, a lot
27:27
Speaker 1: more valuable than late second round picks. You take pick
27:31
Speaker 1: twenty nine over a second and a third late in
27:33
Speaker 1: each round. And that's where I think it got really complicated.
27:37
Speaker 1: And we've been saying for a while the AJ Brown
27:39
Speaker 1: situation feels like it's at a little bit of a halt,
27:43
Speaker 1: feels like it's not really moving. I actually think this
27:47
Speaker 1: makes it even worse because Howie's market is kind of set,
27:51
Speaker 1: like I want more than what they just got, Right,
27:54
Speaker 1: It's not like Jalen Wattles, you know, the big thing
27:56
Speaker 1: on You know, you traded two first round picks for
27:58
Speaker 1: Max Crosby's twenty eight years old, gonna turn twenty nine.
28:02
Speaker 1: Google how old dayla Watta is not exactly like he's
28:06
Speaker 1: twenty three years old, twenty eight years old. So I
28:10
Speaker 1: think that factors into the AJ situation, and I think
28:13
Speaker 1: it complicates it dramatically for the New England Patriots who
28:17
Speaker 1: have been rumored to not just be interested. But it
28:20
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, right you put him with
28:22
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs, get him with Mike Rabel. It's like, Okay,
28:25
Speaker 1: we want your late first round pick, and I mean
28:28
Speaker 1: at minimum, like a second round next year. That would
28:31
Speaker 1: be like the starting point if you're only willing to
28:34
Speaker 1: give us one pick this year, Like we're gonna need
28:37
Speaker 1: something very valuable next year, and it's gonna be fascinating.
28:41
Speaker 1: I think how we people have been saying like he's
28:43
Speaker 1: been asking for a lot, I don't. Not only does
28:46
Speaker 1: that not change, now you could argue he asked for more,
28:50
Speaker 1: which makes this really fun. I'm really glad this happened.
28:52
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sean Payton, Thanks you for the Miami Dolphins.
28:55
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you guys doing business on a slow week.
29:00
Speaker 1: I clicked on because it came up on my feed.
29:04
Speaker 1: Max Crosby who did a podcast about the day or
29:09
Speaker 1: the couple days when he got traded and then when
29:12
Speaker 1: he flew back there and kind of broke it down,
29:15
Speaker 1: how it all went down, and clearly he was pretty
29:18
Speaker 1: rattled and it was probably a crazy moment for him.
29:20
Speaker 1: He said he's never experienced anything quite like that. The
29:24
Speaker 1: one thing that he said that really stood out is
29:27
Speaker 1: because he had some prior engagements, he didn't get there
29:31
Speaker 1: till Tuesday morning to the team facility, and he said
29:34
Speaker 1: when he showed up to the team facility, he didn't
29:38
Speaker 1: see the head coach or the GM. He didn't see
29:41
Speaker 1: either one of those guys till the end of the day. Now,
29:45
Speaker 1: in my experience, when you trade for a player, I
29:48
Speaker 1: remember when I was with the Eagles and we traded
29:50
Speaker 1: for Demico Ryans, who, if memory serves me correct, it
29:54
Speaker 1: was like a fourth round pick. So this wasn't some
29:56
Speaker 1: Max Crosby hall you know who he was a me
30:00
Speaker 1: imediately greeted by or whether it was me or someone
30:03
Speaker 1: else when you meet him at the front office or
30:05
Speaker 1: the front gate. When Don brought him in, you bring
30:08
Speaker 1: him right to Howie and Andy. That's immediately what you do.
30:12
Speaker 1: How often do we see videos when a player is
30:15
Speaker 1: traded for and he walks through the double doors of
30:18
Speaker 1: the team facility, who is typically waiting to talk to him,
30:21
Speaker 1: the coach or the GM are both Why Because it's
30:24
Speaker 1: a really big deal when you trade, especially anything of
30:27
Speaker 1: value for the player. I said this last week, and
30:30
Speaker 1: after hearing him, I believe it even more. I think
30:34
Speaker 1: before he even got the physical, they had pivoted to
30:37
Speaker 1: Trey because they knew the number had come down dramatically,
30:42
Speaker 1: and they realize, like, let's just put him through the uh,
30:46
Speaker 1: the process of the physical and then bow out. I
30:50
Speaker 1: think the moment Max Crosby walked through those doors and
30:53
Speaker 1: was sent to the different doctors in Baltimore, the Ravens
30:57
Speaker 1: were already pivoting. Believe that, and I think by the
31:01
Speaker 1: actions of the front office and listen, it's their prerogative.
31:05
Speaker 1: Nothing is official. I like, at one point in time
31:10
Speaker 1: I would say it was really sleazy and shady, and
31:12
Speaker 1: I get what people are saying, but the rules are
31:14
Speaker 1: the rules. It's like we see it in college football,
31:16
Speaker 1: it's like, how are you sending dms to another guy
31:18
Speaker 1: and another roster off because that's the rules right now,
31:21
Speaker 1: there aren't any and to me in a period where
31:25
Speaker 1: nothing is official, like I have less anger or emotion
31:32
Speaker 1: for like people saying like, actually I don't want to
31:34
Speaker 1: do this. Now you can say it's not great business,
31:37
Speaker 1: it's not above board. They clearly got cold feet, though,
31:41
Speaker 1: and they pivoted, and they knew they could pivot with
31:44
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson. So when Max says that he goes through
31:48
Speaker 1: and he doesn't see the GM or the head coach
31:51
Speaker 1: after they just traded for two first round picks for
31:53
Speaker 1: the player till way after he does the medical, I
31:57
Speaker 1: call BS and then he said the moment and he
32:00
Speaker 1: went to the office, he could tell something was way off,
32:02
Speaker 1: and he finds finds out that they're backing out. So listen,
32:07
Speaker 1: I think the entire league believes that the Baltimore Ravens
32:15
Speaker 1: before he ever stepped foot over the course of Saturday,
32:19
Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday, once they saw the market play out,
32:22
Speaker 1: that they could get their picks back because they weren't
32:24
Speaker 1: like contractually bound and the league office had an officially
32:29
Speaker 1: rubber stamp that this trade had gone through, had moved,
32:35
Speaker 1: had changed their mind, which for a lot of us.
32:38
Speaker 1: Right when you buy a car, you buy a house,
32:40
Speaker 1: you buy things, you change your mind all the time.
32:44
Speaker 1: I said this example the other day. My wife's in
32:46
Speaker 1: real estate. I see her have buyers and sellers change
32:50
Speaker 1: their mind constantly and back out of deals. It's pretty abnormal.
32:54
Speaker 1: It doesn't typically happen at this level. But that's exactly
32:58
Speaker 1: what the Baltimore Ravens did when they can say the
33:00
Speaker 1: physical stuff. As rap Sheet said that day, there is
33:03
Speaker 1: no such thing as a failed physical These things aren't
33:07
Speaker 1: black and white. It's all subjective. But I think it
33:11
Speaker 1: was an easy one to say, we're not comfortable with it.
33:14
Speaker 1: We're not comfortable with what we see. Even though the doctor,
33:18
Speaker 1: doctor Elatross, who works on all the top guys, all
33:22
Speaker 1: the players, all the athletes, has been added it. He's
33:25
Speaker 1: completely fine, this looks completely normal. He is going to
33:29
Speaker 1: be healthy. They didn't give a shit what he said
33:31
Speaker 1: because it didn't matter, because he could have said whatever.
33:34
Speaker 1: Their minds were already made up. And like I said,
33:38
Speaker 1: I understand it. I've probably backed out of stuff. You've
33:41
Speaker 1: backed out of stuff. It's kind of life unless you
33:44
Speaker 1: are contractually bound or whatever business you're in, like the
33:49
Speaker 1: NFL officially, you know, like you can't pivot. The deal's
33:55
Speaker 1: done in these situations like it's it's ripe to happen
34:01
Speaker 1: more honestly, with this, with this period where nothing is
34:05
Speaker 1: official yet, everything is going on because if you see something,
34:08
Speaker 1: if you see a better option, there's a very competitive league.
34:11
Speaker 1: And like I said, and I'm not defending the Ravens,
34:14
Speaker 1: my point is simply like this was an option for them.
34:18
Speaker 1: If it wasn't an option, Max Crosby'd be on the
34:21
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. They would have had no choice. But it
34:24
Speaker 1: was an option. And then they started weighing their options
34:27
Speaker 1: and they knew there was an off ramp, and that
34:29
Speaker 1: off ramp was yeah, we're not comfortable with the medical.
34:33
Speaker 1: That was their off ramp. And as Max says, flies
34:37
Speaker 1: back to the Raiders, comes in the next morning, tells everyone,
34:39
Speaker 1: I'm all in. He's fired up on all the signings
34:42
Speaker 1: and now he's on the Raiders. And everything happens for
34:44
Speaker 1: a reason. This was a guy that didn't even want
34:46
Speaker 1: you know, forever, like wanted to be loyal. Things got
34:49
Speaker 1: weird at the end of last year. Uh, clearly they
34:51
Speaker 1: have pivoted, and now I would just expect Matt Leiner
34:54
Speaker 1: to be on the Raiders moving forward. The other story
34:58
Speaker 1: I saw was Matt Liner, legendary USC quarterback, Heisman Trophy winner,
35:05
Speaker 1: national champion, says I think I don't know if he
35:08
Speaker 1: was on a podcast or an interview, said that people
35:10
Speaker 1: at USC over the last several years have been reaching
35:14
Speaker 1: out about unretiring his number to use to give to
35:18
Speaker 1: a recruit, and every single time he laughs, he goes,
35:22
Speaker 1: I'm not unretiring my number for you to give due
35:26
Speaker 1: a recruit who could be gone in six months. And
35:30
Speaker 1: I started thinking, like in this day and age of NIL,
35:35
Speaker 1: which is all over the map, I mean, LSU's currently
35:38
Speaker 1: be ensued for using their public funds on revenue sharing.
35:44
Speaker 1: They're trying to not show how much they're given because
35:47
Speaker 1: they are these new rules. This company has to vet
35:50
Speaker 1: all the NIL deals, and all these teams have thirty
35:53
Speaker 1: forty fifty million dollars rosters. Yet there's only been one
35:56
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollars in NIL deals that have
35:58
Speaker 1: been vetted and approved. So we got a lot of
36:01
Speaker 1: moving parts here. But The one thing I know, if
36:04
Speaker 1: you're a college football fan, which I am and I
36:07
Speaker 1: know many of you are, that when a player walks
36:09
Speaker 1: onto campus, whether it's a massive recruit. And USC had
36:13
Speaker 1: a top recruiting class. Now, a big reason for that
36:16
Speaker 1: was not because they have some fantastic recruiting pitch, not
36:19
Speaker 1: because they've been winning a bunch of playoff games over
36:22
Speaker 1: the course of the last three or four years. It's
36:24
Speaker 1: because California now has a rule that a bunch of
36:26
Speaker 1: other states do not, that they can pay the guys
36:30
Speaker 1: give them their nil signing bonus while they are still
36:34
Speaker 1: in high school. So they are paying these guys upfront
36:37
Speaker 1: cash to get them to commit. The other guys are
36:40
Speaker 1: just signing a contract for when they get to campus
36:43
Speaker 1: then they start getting paid. Which I don't blame USC
36:47
Speaker 1: for taking advantage of that, but let's be real. They're
36:50
Speaker 1: getting these guys simply because of the money loophole that
36:55
Speaker 1: they have working to their advantage. I think the money
36:58
Speaker 1: was all equal, a lot of these guys would end
37:00
Speaker 1: up in other programs. How would they not. USC The
37:02
Speaker 1: brand recognition is nowhere near what it was in the
37:05
Speaker 1: liner days. Honestly, it's it's pretty bad, right, And so
37:11
Speaker 1: when I see Liner saying no, that is one hundred
37:14
Speaker 1: percent the right move. Some of these kids don't even
37:18
Speaker 1: spend spring ball on campus. The amount of stories I've
37:22
Speaker 1: heard and read about a kid coming into school early
37:27
Speaker 1: at the end of the winner, going through springball, and
37:31
Speaker 1: then putting himself in the transfer portal before the summer
37:35
Speaker 1: is happening constantly. Now there is no structure to the operation,
37:40
Speaker 1: and unlike the NFL, you know, I see a lot
37:43
Speaker 1: of this. They need to collectively bargain. Well, why would
37:46
Speaker 1: the players collectively bargain? They get everything they want now.
37:52
Speaker 1: The reason the NFL players are always pushing back is
37:55
Speaker 1: because they want more because the owners, what they feel,
37:59
Speaker 1: are horror and doing everything they can to pay them
38:02
Speaker 1: the least amount of possible. Right now, if you're a
38:04
Speaker 1: player in college football or basketball, you're in one hundred
38:08
Speaker 1: percent control. You can leave whatever you want you can,
38:11
Speaker 1: especially if you're a good player, you could ask for
38:14
Speaker 1: whatever you want. You're gonna have multiple people willing to
38:16
Speaker 1: pay you. So in what world would they come to
38:19
Speaker 1: the table and be like, we want to work with
38:21
Speaker 1: you right now and listen for a long time. They
38:24
Speaker 1: got royally screwed. I mean, obviously a lot of programs
38:28
Speaker 1: like USC we're giving these guys brown bags, but there's
38:32
Speaker 1: a big difference in yeah, I'm getting seven figures and
38:35
Speaker 1: getting twenty grand in cash in a brown bag and
38:38
Speaker 1: maybe a least for a car. Now I get the car,
38:41
Speaker 1: I get the seven figures, and I don't even need
38:43
Speaker 1: to go to school. And if it doesn't go well,
38:45
Speaker 1: I will hit the transfer portal and I will get
38:47
Speaker 1: that money from someone else. Before you were kind of stuck,
38:50
Speaker 1: you wouldn't transfer because you wouldn't want to sit out
38:52
Speaker 1: a year. So I think Lioner's point is more of
38:56
Speaker 1: a reflection of the current status of college football of
39:00
Speaker 1: you can't feel good about any player staying for any
39:03
Speaker 1: length of time. And it's always been that way with
39:06
Speaker 1: coaches unless at the top. You know several universities where
39:09
Speaker 1: it's like Ryan Day leave in Ohio State, Kirby leaving
39:12
Speaker 1: Georgia unless they go to the NFL, which I don't
39:15
Speaker 1: think anyone's held it against the college coach for leaving
39:17
Speaker 1: for an NFL job. It's when they start bouncing around,
39:19
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a lame kiffen. But at
39:20
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, well, most coaches in the
39:22
Speaker 1: history of the sport would have left Ole Miss for LSU,
39:26
Speaker 1: Like that's not a crazy move. But it's gonna be
39:29
Speaker 1: fascinating to watch this all play out. I think a
39:33
Speaker 1: lot of people don't quite comprehend the NIL that they're
39:37
Speaker 1: trying to regulate it and all these numbers getting vetted,
39:42
Speaker 1: and none of these teams and coaches are following that
39:44
Speaker 1: vetting process because they'll just do whatever it takes to
39:48
Speaker 1: get the player on campus as they should and have
39:51
Speaker 1: the NCAA Now. You could also argue that the ncuble
39:56
Speaker 1: that the sport of college football, with the money now
39:58
Speaker 1: that it's getting funneled to the players, has outgrown the
40:03
Speaker 1: nc double A. And when I was in Indie for
40:05
Speaker 1: the combine, you see the NCAA offices, You're like, yeah,
40:09
Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer you got. You guys
40:12
Speaker 1: are in major trouble. And it's also complicated stuff with
40:16
Speaker 1: if you start playing paying the players collectively bargained the
40:21
Speaker 1: athletic department basically crumbles. Basketball would survive, but basically every sport,
40:25
Speaker 1: all the women's sports, all the non revenue guy sports,
40:29
Speaker 1: they just they don't pencil I mean, they've never penciled,
40:32
Speaker 1: but they've always been subsidized by football. If football ever
40:35
Speaker 1: starts keeping their money, Like the NFL doesn't subsidize men's soccer, right,
40:40
Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't subsidize the softball team flying all around.
40:44
Speaker 1: They don't pay for any of that shit in college
40:47
Speaker 1: football team's cutting the checks for all that stuff. The
40:49
Speaker 1: volleyball coach, where do you think that money comes from
40:53
Speaker 1: the revenue from the football team, And rightfully so, like
40:56
Speaker 1: that's just the model of the business. But that is
41:00
Speaker 1: dramatically changed, and I think we're only heading for more
41:04
Speaker 1: change when it comes to kind of that avenue. Let's
41:21
Speaker 1: bang out a couple quick mailbag questions. I'm recording this
41:25
Speaker 1: before the WBC game USA against Venezuela. I have watched.
41:30
Speaker 1: I mean, Italians had a hell of a run. It
41:33
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Ideally it would be Japan against America
41:36
Speaker 1: for Otani, but this tournament has been fantastic and I
41:42
Speaker 1: think it will just go with this question. Your podcast
41:45
Speaker 1: continues to help me get through the workday. Not a
41:47
Speaker 1: football question, but watching the WBC and just baseball as
41:50
Speaker 1: a whole. I gotta admit it's grown on me. I
41:52
Speaker 1: started only paying attention recently these past few years because
41:55
Speaker 1: I've been hitting some parlays a lot of good and
41:59
Speaker 1: wanted to know what I was betting. But now after
42:02
Speaker 1: watching it, I'm at the point where it's just really
42:05
Speaker 1: entertaining keep up the good work. I think one thing
42:08
Speaker 1: is very evident when things feel big and this is
42:12
Speaker 1: a problem. Like baseball regular season can be a slog,
42:14
Speaker 1: the basketball regular season is now an abomination. It's like
42:18
Speaker 1: the teams don't even care. How am I supposed to care?
42:21
Speaker 1: And when events feel impactful and important. I've said this forever,
42:26
Speaker 1: like I'm not into like dungeons and dragons, but when
42:30
Speaker 1: I felt like everyone's watching Game of Thrones, I got
42:33
Speaker 1: a little foma. That's not the type show. If it
42:36
Speaker 1: wasn't some massive hit, I wouldn't have watched it, But
42:40
Speaker 1: like I had to watch because I kind of like
42:41
Speaker 1: keeping track of the big shows that everyone else is watching,
42:44
Speaker 1: and typically the top shows that feel like are pretty
42:47
Speaker 1: universally agreed upon's a great show. I'm in agreement as well.
42:51
Speaker 1: That was one like this isn't really my speed, but
42:54
Speaker 1: there's enough violence and sex that like I'm in like
42:57
Speaker 1: what I normally watch a show with dragons. No, but
43:00
Speaker 1: it feels important, like I gotta watch And the baseball
43:04
Speaker 1: playoffs have really felt like that, right with Otani the
43:07
Speaker 1: last couple of years in the Dodgers, they feel big.
43:11
Speaker 1: This is a problem for basketball, like the Oklahoma City
43:14
Speaker 1: thunder are, I mean more likely they went back to
43:17
Speaker 1: back championships. It doesn't feel that important to watch them.
43:21
Speaker 1: It really doesn't. And they're having a great run. And
43:24
Speaker 1: if you live in that area, it's gotta be badass.
43:27
Speaker 1: I grew up around a small market team in the
43:29
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings, Like I get it, but I also understand
43:33
Speaker 1: now from my point of view of like I don't care.
43:36
Speaker 1: I will not watch them if it's not Steph Curry,
43:39
Speaker 1: if it's not Luke and Lebron, and it's not Jokic's
43:42
Speaker 1: Like I'm not turning on the game because I don't
43:44
Speaker 1: feel like it matters. And baseball, this is where the
43:48
Speaker 1: Dodgers are important, Like they do feel like they matter
43:51
Speaker 1: because and a huge part of that is Otani in
43:54
Speaker 1: this dynasty. Like I was living in the Bay Area
43:57
Speaker 1: when Kevin Durant came to the Warriors, like he kind
43:59
Speaker 1: of had to pay attention when Lebron was on the heat,
44:02
Speaker 1: people like, and let's face it, like we argue over
44:05
Speaker 1: what's the number two overall sport. My guy, Ethan Strauss
44:08
Speaker 1: wrote an article going back and forth with basketball and baseball.
44:11
Speaker 1: Basketball is way bigger in the twenty tens, and now
44:14
Speaker 1: baseball the World Series is outdraw in the NBA Finals.
44:17
Speaker 1: I've come to the conclusion there is no number two
44:19
Speaker 1: sport in America. It's just all kind of up for grabs.
44:22
Speaker 1: And when you have the right stars, the right momentum,
44:25
Speaker 1: the right brands, you can grab that slot. But right
44:30
Speaker 1: now football is in its own stratosphere and everyone's fighting
44:32
Speaker 1: for scraps. And if basketball, if you get the right
44:36
Speaker 1: if you get a Steph Curry, if you get a
44:38
Speaker 1: Lebron in the mix, like, people are gonna pay attention.
44:40
Speaker 1: Like the casual fan is just not gonna watch ok
44:43
Speaker 1: Se san Antonio. I promise you they're not no different
44:46
Speaker 1: than the casual fan is not watching two small markets
44:48
Speaker 1: in baseball playing the World Series. But if you tell
44:51
Speaker 1: me it's Dodgers and Yankees making runs like, people are
44:53
Speaker 1: paying attention. And if you tell me Rory last year
44:57
Speaker 1: winning the Masters that peaked at nineteen. The put in
45:02
Speaker 1: perspective the NBA Finals last year Indiana and Okay, see,
45:05
Speaker 1: the first six games didn't top ten million in any
45:07
Speaker 1: of the games. Why because it doesn't feel like I
45:10
Speaker 1: have to watch, and the WBC has gained some momentum
45:13
Speaker 1: where it just feels kind of important. Now does that
45:15
Speaker 1: lead into the regular season? I don't know, but it's
45:19
Speaker 1: hard to watch these games and think like this is
45:21
Speaker 1: a really good product, this is really entertaining. And where
45:26
Speaker 1: I'm at now as a diehard sports fan and in
45:28
Speaker 1: my twenties and even most of my thirties, I watched everything.
45:33
Speaker 1: I watched every Giants game, I watched every NBA game
45:35
Speaker 1: on TNT. Obviously, I watched football, college and the pros.
45:39
Speaker 1: I just I am one hundred. I'm all in on football,
45:42
Speaker 1: and I watch golf, and then I watch things that matter.
45:45
Speaker 1: So what am I gonna watch the NCAA tournament right,
45:49
Speaker 1: the Masters, which I would watch no matter what, but
45:52
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby. Do I like horse racing? I do not?
45:55
Speaker 1: But do I pay attention to the Kentucky Derby? I do?
45:58
Speaker 1: I know everyone talked about like Jake Paul fighting Anthony
46:01
Speaker 1: Joshua or Mike Tyson. It feels like a lot of
46:03
Speaker 1: people are watching. So what do I do? I turn
46:05
Speaker 1: that motherfucker on. That's how I consume these events. So
46:09
Speaker 1: if you don't feel big and I don't feel like
46:11
Speaker 1: a lot of people are watching you, and now that
46:12
Speaker 1: I have the numbers, I know if they are not,
46:15
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention. I just pay attention to the
46:17
Speaker 1: stuff that matters non football and golf, and it clearly
46:21
Speaker 1: so does the rest of America because we've never been
46:23
Speaker 1: more fragmented. We've never had more options, whether it's our phone,
46:27
Speaker 1: whether it's the streaming apps, whether it's whatever. Like part
46:30
Speaker 1: of the newspaper, I said this when everyone freaked out
46:33
Speaker 1: all the journals, when the Washington Post laid off all
46:36
Speaker 1: their sports section people. Everyone's like Jeff Bezos, that scumbag
46:41
Speaker 1: rich guy. It's like, hey, you know you're blaming the
46:44
Speaker 1: wrong person. You should blame me because historically I read
46:49
Speaker 1: the sports section. You couldn't pay me to do that.
46:51
Speaker 1: Now the consumer habits have changed and the way and listen,
46:56
Speaker 1: this is why Adam Silver went with the NBA Cup,
46:58
Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily they know if it's working or not.
47:01
Speaker 1: But like I applaud the effort. He's trying to make
47:04
Speaker 1: something important that feels big and for people to watch,
47:08
Speaker 1: and whether it works or not, only time will tell.
47:10
Speaker 1: But like that's his mindset and I do understand it.
47:13
Speaker 1: The WBC didn't work that long ago. When I was
47:16
Speaker 1: at Fox with Colin a couple weeks ago, he was like, yeah,
47:19
Speaker 1: five million people watched the game the previous night, and
47:21
Speaker 1: this was before elimination stages. It just became big, feels big,
47:25
Speaker 1: and people are paying attention. I'm sorry, but you and
47:29
Speaker 1: Colin are super dreamy about Mendoza. I'm sorry, but if
47:33
Speaker 1: you're talking about the number one overall pick and his
47:36
Speaker 1: comparison is Kirk Cousins, you can't take him number one
47:39
Speaker 1: overall quarterback inflation cannot be that bad trade down like
47:43
Speaker 1: the Bears. Well one, he's a better prospect than Kirk Cousins.
47:51
Speaker 1: But if you told me his career was Kirk Cousins,
47:54
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins has proven if you do a good
47:57
Speaker 1: job building the team, you can go to the playoffs.
48:00
Speaker 1: He went to the playoffs with Minnesota. He went to
48:03
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You go twice with Minnesota. Where was he
48:10
Speaker 1: trying to think? Of his career. Did you go with it? Ever? Washington?
48:13
Speaker 1: They had a good team in Minnesota couple years ago
48:15
Speaker 1: when they won twelve games and they lost in that
48:17
Speaker 1: first round of the Giants, but like they had a
48:18
Speaker 1: really good team. I think Mendez is a better prospect.
48:21
Speaker 1: But if you told the Raiders that you were gonna
48:24
Speaker 1: get the Kirk Cousin good version for like seven eight years,
48:28
Speaker 1: they would take that. They really would. The problem is
48:32
Speaker 1: when your comp is to Kirk Cousins, a lot of
48:35
Speaker 1: times that player turns into Kenny Pickett because Kirk cousins
48:41
Speaker 1: ceiling is not that high. But Kirk Cousins reached his ceiling.
48:46
Speaker 1: So to me, if you can get Kirk Cousins his
48:50
Speaker 1: ceiling what he became, and you have a guy that
48:53
Speaker 1: you're drafting who actually has a higher ceiling than Kirk Cousins,
48:56
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer number one pick. Like I saw
48:59
Speaker 1: this article about Russell Wilson today. Russell Wilson, who knows
49:02
Speaker 1: he might be done playing in the NFL. His only
49:05
Speaker 1: options potentially could be some veteran minimum options. Who knows
49:09
Speaker 1: if he'd even take that one point three million dollars.
49:11
Speaker 1: Who knows if anyone's even gonna want him, and I
49:15
Speaker 1: think things have turned so negative. Like you know, Russell
49:17
Speaker 1: Wilson the way these last four or five years has
49:19
Speaker 1: been an embarrassment. His career has been a raging success.
49:25
Speaker 1: He was a third round pick who made three hundred
49:28
Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars, who won a Super Bowl as
49:31
Speaker 1: starting quarterback, who went back to a Super bowls starting quarterback,
49:35
Speaker 1: and then became a consistent Pro Bowl player whose team
49:38
Speaker 1: was making the playoffs. Russell Wilson changed the sport. It
49:44
Speaker 1: made people believe that small quarterbacks could play in the
49:48
Speaker 1: National Football League at a high level. And as we've
49:51
Speaker 1: learned since Russell Wilson, that is extremely hit or miss,
49:54
Speaker 1: and Russell is an outlier. But like Kirk Cousins, gets
49:59
Speaker 1: act like he's some scrub. I saw Kirk Cousins beat
50:04
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints in a playoff game. I remember
50:07
Speaker 1: witnessing that in New Orleans. That happened game winning throw.
50:11
Speaker 1: So that was he. I guess that was with Mike
50:13
Speaker 1: zimmer So he won a playoff game, he lost another one.
50:16
Speaker 1: But when he was on a good team, he could
50:18
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and honestly, give you a chance to
50:22
Speaker 1: win a playoff game as he did. So there's a
50:24
Speaker 1: fine line, like, Tua, you were never winning a playoff
50:27
Speaker 1: game with two a tongue, Bay Little was never happening,
50:30
Speaker 1: But you're the one playoff games with Jordan Love. If
50:33
Speaker 1: I told you that Fernando Mendoza is Jordan Love, he'd
50:35
Speaker 1: be like, I like a little more. I'd be like,
50:38
Speaker 1: I'd pull that. I'd pull the trigger immediately if you
50:40
Speaker 1: told me that was Jordan Love. Have you watched the Raiders?
50:42
Speaker 1: You see what they're playing with? Do you see what
50:45
Speaker 1: most quarterback plays like? Yeah, you want Patrick Mahomes or
50:48
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Guess what? Those guys aren't grown on trees.
50:51
Speaker 1: Last time I checked. I don't see many Lamar Jackson's
50:54
Speaker 1: running around. Most of these guys are pretty rare of
50:56
Speaker 1: the top guys. It's like if you're playing football in
50:59
Speaker 1: Night ninety two, It's like, yeah, there aren't many Damn Marino,
51:02
Speaker 1: John Elways and Steve Young's rolling around. But if you
51:04
Speaker 1: can get a solid starter like you can win with,
51:07
Speaker 1: and if that guy can maximize his career and you
51:10
Speaker 1: can do a good job building all of a sudden,
51:11
Speaker 1: Rich Cannon wins an MVP. Until Rich Canna got to
51:14
Speaker 1: the Raiders, he was not viewed as a good player.
51:19
Speaker 1: If a guy has the requisite talent and has the intangibles,
51:23
Speaker 1: wiring and work ethic, it's on the GM and coach
51:26
Speaker 1: to figure it out. And that's where I think we
51:28
Speaker 1: are with Fernanda Mendozo. It's pressures on Spy Tech and
51:33
Speaker 1: Kubiak headed to Scott's Sale for the Grass League Championship.
51:39
Speaker 1: Any res in Old Town, thanks, dude, I would say
51:42
Speaker 1: the mission. I would say, the Mission's a spot that's
51:44
Speaker 1: excellent if you want to go a little bit past
51:47
Speaker 1: Old Town toward like Paradise Valley. Houston's is my favorite restaurant.
51:52
Speaker 1: I went there. I used to live pretty close. I
51:55
Speaker 1: went there probably twenty five times. I haven't been back
51:58
Speaker 1: because I don't live that close to it now, but
52:01
Speaker 1: I think about it. I don't know, twice a week
52:03
Speaker 1: they have a dish, the rib dish. It's just it's
52:06
Speaker 1: it's elite. I mean, it's Houston's is one of those
52:10
Speaker 1: It's like perfect for me. It's it's a nice restaurant,
52:14
Speaker 1: but you could go in T shirt and a hat
52:17
Speaker 1: and the prices are not crazy like steakhouse, but you
52:21
Speaker 1: can get a real elite meal and it's got a
52:24
Speaker 1: good vibe. It's just it's one of my favorite spots
52:27
Speaker 1: in Scott's sale. We will end on this the Dad Diaries,
52:32
Speaker 1: follow up on your dad Diary. When my daughter was
52:35
Speaker 1: eighteen or was a baby, she's eighteen now, she had
52:40
Speaker 1: a major blowout. I put her on the changing table,
52:44
Speaker 1: then she started doing the alligator death roll slinging shit
52:49
Speaker 1: all over the room, shit covered hands on the wall,
52:53
Speaker 1: all over her and myself. I just put her in
52:56
Speaker 1: the tub to clean her off. Took me over two
52:58
Speaker 1: hours to clean her the room, then myself. Good times ahead, bro,
53:06
Speaker 1: We have not got the ability to do any roles yet.
53:10
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the appointment yesterday, but he had
53:12
Speaker 1: like a couple month check up. And for those of
53:16
Speaker 1: you that have had young babies, you know tummy time.
53:19
Speaker 1: It like builds their neck muscles. You basically put them
53:21
Speaker 1: on their stomach and if they're not on their stomach enough,
53:24
Speaker 1: it can like flatten the back of their head. So
53:26
Speaker 1: you got to try to work on tummy time. It's
53:27
Speaker 1: something we probably haven't done a great job of. Got
53:30
Speaker 1: to do a little more tummy time, but he can't
53:32
Speaker 1: roll it, can't really even crawl yet. One problem we're
53:36
Speaker 1: having is he's at almost a nine week mark, trying
53:41
Speaker 1: to get a little rhythm right, trying to get some consistency. Now.
53:45
Speaker 1: As a wise man told me a while back, it's
53:49
Speaker 1: like you can want, you can read all the books
53:50
Speaker 1: you want. Every kid's a little different. They all kind
53:53
Speaker 1: of beat to their own drum. You can try and
53:57
Speaker 1: eventually it will work, but you're gonna go a stretch
54:00
Speaker 1: where I mean, she's on chat GPT, she's showing. I mean,
54:04
Speaker 1: she logs every time he eats, every time he sleeps.
54:07
Speaker 1: She gave all the information to chat GBT and was
54:10
Speaker 1: basically begging the AI robot to break down the schedule
54:16
Speaker 1: that we should keep him on. And this chat GBT
54:18
Speaker 1: schedule that it spit back at us was fucking incredible.
54:22
Speaker 1: I mean, we got this thing laminated, printed out. We're
54:26
Speaker 1: just all fired up, just just full of piss and
54:29
Speaker 1: vinegar excited. We're like, we're gonna he's gonna sleep like
54:32
Speaker 1: three different naps. He'll be in bed by nine, he'll
54:34
Speaker 1: sleep till like three or four. That'll be his first feeding.
54:36
Speaker 1: He'll go back to bed, till like eight first day's
54:39
Speaker 1: been a disaster. I mean, this kid is it's like
54:42
Speaker 1: he free based red bull. I mean the energy he has.
54:45
Speaker 1: He's been up, he's been screaming sounds, he's doing like
54:49
Speaker 1: ninja punches and kicks. He's shitting all over the place.
54:52
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys want me to nap. I not
54:55
Speaker 1: on my watch, Homie. And today has been pretty brutal.
55:00
Speaker 1: And I see what she goes through. I can't the
55:04
Speaker 1: respect I have for the women that just spent all
55:10
Speaker 1: day every day with these newborns and infants in the
55:14
Speaker 1: first several months. It is really mentally taxing. It is.
55:18
Speaker 1: I've done some hard jobs in my life. I got
55:21
Speaker 1: thrown on the ranch the hoeing crew in one hundred
55:24
Speaker 1: and fifteen degrees. I've worked crazy construction jobs that are
55:28
Speaker 1: physically taxing. I've obviously had some mentally taxing jobs working
55:32
Speaker 1: for Howie that are just pressure in the stress. There
55:36
Speaker 1: is nothing quite like this where you just you have
55:38
Speaker 1: no answers and there's just not much you can do,
55:41
Speaker 1: and then you get moments where they're crying and you're
55:43
Speaker 1: just like, man, I have no clue, I don't you
55:48
Speaker 1: just had a loss I mean, you're firing questions off
55:50
Speaker 1: the Chad GPT, you're calling your friends, you're just hitting
55:53
Speaker 1: your knees and praying. You're just trying to make it
55:57
Speaker 1: to the next day. And there's a lot of I mean,
56:00
Speaker 1: the lack of sleep, like she said she hasn't really
56:02
Speaker 1: slept in eight eight weeks. Just the night where she
56:05
Speaker 1: just gets to go to bed at ten o'clock and
56:07
Speaker 1: wake up at seven, Like, those days just are not
56:10
Speaker 1: only non existent, you know every single night that I'm
56:14
Speaker 1: gonna be woken up multiple times and just gonna be
56:18
Speaker 1: tired constantly. It's one of those one you gotta nap
56:21
Speaker 1: when they're napping, well, he doesn't nap for like longer
56:23
Speaker 1: than an hour. And as you get older, it's harder
56:27
Speaker 1: to just lay down in the middle of the day
56:28
Speaker 1: and take a fucking snooze when you got a million
56:30
Speaker 1: other things to do. So it's it's a grind. I
56:33
Speaker 1: would say this anyone thinking about it, just as as
56:37
Speaker 1: my former producer who's now on the Joe and Jada podcast,
56:42
Speaker 1: James told me buckle up, that's what he said, And
56:46
Speaker 1: at first I was like, Ah, this guy, you know
56:49
Speaker 1: that's that That is the advice I will give to
56:53
Speaker 1: every future parent. Buckle up because you can. You can
56:57
Speaker 1: be told, you can hear the worst stories. You can
57:02
Speaker 1: see your family members or your close friends have babies,
57:06
Speaker 1: but you can always hop in your car and go home. Hell,
57:09
Speaker 1: you can stay with them and kind of see it.
57:11
Speaker 1: Go through a day or two at the lake wherever, vacation,
57:16
Speaker 1: day after day after day after day. She used to
57:19
Speaker 1: joke with me when she was pregnant and say, you know,
57:23
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a day to relax for the
57:25
Speaker 1: next eighteen twenty years. I used to be like bullshit,
57:29
Speaker 1: And I don't believe that because as he gets older,
57:31
Speaker 1: of friends will play golf like love normal life. But
57:35
Speaker 1: as one of you guys dm me a while back,
57:37
Speaker 1: it's the fog of war and it is relentless, and
57:41
Speaker 1: you're in it, and you're looking around and there's I
57:47
Speaker 1: think she had said something. She's on Instagram, And it
57:49
Speaker 1: is true of all the animals. If you just take
57:53
Speaker 1: the animal kingdom right, bears, lions, birds, you name it, dogs.
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Speaker 1: A child is the only you know, thing that's born
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Speaker 1: and immediately for the foreseeable future can't do a goddamn
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Speaker 1: thing by itself. So without its parents, it's guardians whoever's
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Speaker 1: watching over it. Like you watch enough Animal Planet, like
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Speaker 1: after a while these lions, you know, a couple months
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Speaker 1: in you start figuring out a way you walk around.
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Speaker 1: You can just find water, You just do things. They
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Speaker 1: can do nothing, and it's all on you. And it's listen,
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Speaker 1: it's fun. It's a very blessed to have a healthy
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Speaker 1: child who is growing and eating. But there is no
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Speaker 1: disputing it. It is. It is difficult. It is not easy.
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Speaker 1: And I have the easy end of the stick, like
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Speaker 1: the very easy end of the stick, and I sometimes like, damn,
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Speaker 1: this is this is a challenge. Then you just think,
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Speaker 1: like in the history of time, everyone's done it. So
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Speaker 1: it's like I can do it. But there days where
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Speaker 1: it'll it'll it'll, it'll tax, it'll tax the home. That's
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Speaker 1: it can be a grind, and it's it's it's a
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Speaker 1: fun grind. Love the little guy who just like him.
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Speaker 1: Take a nap, Audios, have a great day, See you
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