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Best of the Bus: Shawne Merriman Testing Positive for PED's + The 'Lights Out' Legacy With The Chargers · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Jason Michael Fink, fresh out of jail.
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  Speaker 2: Fresh out of jail, bro.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what field have they gotten that's longer
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  Speaker 1: than 40 yards? Why are you still fast?
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  Speaker 2: He's nowhere to run again.
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  Speaker 3: Fresh out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: Motivated.
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  Speaker 2: Some cats come out of prison. Mike Tyson, when he
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  Speaker 2: came out of prison, he was just meaner and bigger
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  Speaker 2: and buffer than he's ever been. Are we rolling?
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  Speaker 3: Until we saw Holyfield.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we are rolling. Hey, let's give a round of
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  Speaker 2: applause to Sean Merriman joining us on the bus. Just
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  Speaker 2: landed in Nashville, Tennessee. Just came to hang out with
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  Speaker 2: the boys. We appreciate you stopping.
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  Speaker 1: By, man. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate you not. First off, I want to give you
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  Speaker 2: a shout out for the coolest nickname of all time.
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  Speaker 2: High school. The nickname lights out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was Googling, just doing a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of research on you, you.
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  Speaker 3: Put- Time out, time out, time out. Before you get
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  Speaker 3: into that story, I've got to ask.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember responding to me on a Vernon Davis
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  Speaker 3: Instagram post? This is probably 2015.
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  Speaker 1: Is this when he got kicked off the field with Singletary? Singletary?
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  Speaker 3: No, this is when he was on Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And he was doing like a sponsor post. He had
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  Speaker 3: his shirt off and he was like dipping in some
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  Speaker 3: supplements and I was getting on just busting his balls.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And Sean was like defending Vernon. against me.
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  Speaker 2: About to beat your ass.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I remember texting Vernon like, hey, Sean, we're just busting
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  Speaker 3: balls right now.
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  Speaker 1: We're just having a good time, right?
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  Speaker 2: We're just having a good time, right?
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  Speaker 1: So just back story, like Vernon's like my little brother.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know Vernon's like 15 years old. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: the relationship then. You know, so that's on me.
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  Speaker 2: You see a mouthy white guy and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta put.
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  Speaker 1: This dude in his place. No, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: When he was coming on, I was trying to scroll
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  Speaker 3: and see, but he doesn't have posts like beyond like 2019,
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  Speaker 3: but it was back when we was on the same
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  Speaker 3: team and I remember when Sean had responded to me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, I texted Vernon, I'm like, hey Vernon,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let Sean know we're all good.
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  Speaker 2: What did Vernon say to you?
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  Speaker 3: I can't, oh, he was laughing. He's like, oh, Sean's
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  Speaker 3: a good dude. He's a good dude. You know Vernon,
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  Speaker 3: the nicest human being in the world.
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  Speaker 1: He is, he is, he is.
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  Speaker 3: But I had to ask.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, are you kidding me? What?
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. Sherman in the back.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you miss that facial hair?
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  Speaker 1: With the- That little flavor saver drilled down.
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  Speaker 2: Drilled down the chin.
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  Speaker 1: The landing strip down there.
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  Speaker 2: That thing is wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got a fresh Juan right there. Juan Diaz.
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  Speaker 2: That was your icebreaker at the bar right there.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: That little thing hanging down off the lip.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. I got the LRG. Remember the LRG was
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  Speaker 1: hot at that time too. Everybody had fucking LRG.
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  Speaker 2: God, that is so funny. But yeah, as I was
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  Speaker 2: saying before Will went down memory lane with you for
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  Speaker 2: a second, high school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Put four players unconscious in the first half of a
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  Speaker 2: high school football game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What the fuck, man? Yeah, so what happened was
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  Speaker 1: it was a school that was like talking a lot.
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  Speaker 1: They were talking a lot of shit, like leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the game. And my coaches, when I was young,
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  Speaker 1: when I was then, they would egg me on by
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  Speaker 1: every clippings that come out. Everything, the local newspaper, they
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  Speaker 1: would Washington Post come out. They would send me everything,
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  Speaker 1: gassing me up. So I can't wait to get to
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  Speaker 1: this game now. And so I just started like striking people, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I remember like parents were coming on the field,
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  Speaker 1: like standing in the end zone, grabbing the refs, grabbing
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  Speaker 1: the commissioner, basically saying the coaches were held to be
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  Speaker 1: back for two years. Like I was like two or
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  Speaker 1: three years older than- Oh.
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  Speaker 2: They thought you were like- Not knowing I was- Registered
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  Speaker 2: to vote. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, not knowing that I was the youngest,
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  Speaker 1: you know? So like even when I got drafted, I
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  Speaker 1: was 20 years old and I got drafted.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was like a Bishop Sycamore situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This grown ass man.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that's a good ball.
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  Speaker 1: And so that happened after the game, about 20, 25
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  Speaker 1: students come running to me and they said, you knocked
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  Speaker 1: those kids' lights out. And I just, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of played it off cool. I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. I said, yeah, you know what? Call
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  Speaker 1: me lights out. And I got to school on Monday
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  Speaker 1: and I got my backpack on and I got my
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  Speaker 1: books in my hand. It was like, yo, good game, lights.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, shit. You know, it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of caught on already. People, you know, heard about it.
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  Speaker 1: And so I went home. I rushed home to my mom.
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  Speaker 1: My mom smoked a ton of cigarettes. So I got
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  Speaker 1: the room. And I'm waving a smoke. I can't even
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  Speaker 1: see my mom and shit. She's been smoking cigarettes all day.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, mom, look, people calling me lights out.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get this lights out tattoo on my
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  Speaker 1: right forearm. And she looked at me and smoked a
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  Speaker 1: cigarette one more time and said, boy, get the hell
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  Speaker 1: out the room. That was it.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you?
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  Speaker 1: 16.
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  Speaker 2: 16 years old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I came back every single day for two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, she took me to go get this light
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  Speaker 1: switch with a hand cutting the lights out on my
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  Speaker 1: right forearm. And that became a thing. And so my
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  Speaker 1: freshman year at the University of Maryland, we were playing
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  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Actually, this hit is on YouTube. And it
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  Speaker 1: was my first time playing on ESPN. It was a
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  Speaker 1: Friday night or Saturday night game on ESPN. I wasn't starting,
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  Speaker 1: but they put me in the game. And I'm dropping
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  Speaker 1: back in the flats. The wide receiver, Watkins, come running
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  Speaker 1: across the field, dragging across the field. And I just–
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  Speaker 1: And that was the first time I got up and
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  Speaker 1: pointed at it. There it is. There it is right there. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: that was the first time I– Bring that back. Wow. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm 17. I think I'm 17 at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I was 18 yet. And they put
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  Speaker 1: me in a game. And so none of my teammates
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  Speaker 1: at the time, they thought I came in cocky, all
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  Speaker 1: this lights out, kid. We not call these lights out.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to ask. How was the lights
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  Speaker 3: out nickname playing when you first got in there?
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  Speaker 2: Because that is the perfect tattoo to chirp as a
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  Speaker 2: freshman getting into college. All the seniors be like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you like that?
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I was so cocky, too. I came in there
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  Speaker 1: talking shit. I was like that black sheep, like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: this dude don't fucking belong. He doesn't belong in here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a couple of seniors getting in a
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  Speaker 2: corner and be like, we got to humble this dude,
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  Speaker 2: first day of practice.
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  Speaker 3: Coach is like, hey, this guy's a psycho.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a psycho.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember EJ Henderson. Remember EJ? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: EJ Henderson buckets one of the, to me, the best
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  Speaker 1: linebacker to come out of Maryland ever. And he would
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  Speaker 1: always just call me freshman. Or he would like call
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  Speaker 1: me something else and nobody would call me anything until
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  Speaker 1: that hit. And so I finally came on the sideline
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  Speaker 1: and I got EJ and those guys came up to me.
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  Speaker 1: Denar Wilson, you know, defense coordinator here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He was my team. So none of them will call
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  Speaker 1: me lights out at all until- That hit.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the first game? That was the first time.
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  Speaker 1: I got in the game, like on the national level.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, that cowboy collar is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. Yeah, that was it.
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  Speaker 2: That is fucking wild, man. So why Maryland?
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  Speaker 1: Because, you know, for me, like I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: Prince George's County. And at the time, like PG County, D.C.
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  Speaker 1: was bad, dude. Like top five, top ten myrtle capital
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  Speaker 1: of the country. Really? Yeah. And so I wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had offers from everywhere. And I committed
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  Speaker 1: as a junior. to uh to maryland but from where
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  Speaker 1: we came from nobody stayed home like everybody went to
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  Speaker 1: penn state you know florida state at the time because
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  Speaker 1: florida state was big ohio they went to everywhere else
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  Speaker 1: all the top players went everywhere else nobody stayed home
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  Speaker 1: so i was like man you know what i'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: i'm gonna stay home and i was the first one
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  Speaker 1: that kind of could have went to a florida state
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  Speaker 1: or could have went to a florida something like that
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  Speaker 1: and stay home um and then after me vernon we
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  Speaker 1: saw my vernon right You know, Vernon stayed, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys, like, toured. We started having first-round draft
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  Speaker 1: picks every year after that. But at the time, I
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  Speaker 1: think I was a– I might have been the highest-drafted
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  Speaker 1: player from Maryland. But, dude, it was hard. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: take any visits. And Miami was coming to my– you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming to the game– my basketball, you know, games. I
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  Speaker 1: was playing– hooping in the offseason with some of the
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  Speaker 1: Maryland basketball players. They would be walking around, like, off-campus.
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  Speaker 1: They were trying to get me to Miami. So if
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  Speaker 1: I would have took my visit, it would have been
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  Speaker 1: to Miami. I would have gone to- Yeah, and if.
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  Speaker 2: You showed up in Miami, you probably would have committed
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  Speaker 2: on the spot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Yeah. Dude, they would have took me
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  Speaker 1: to a strip club or some shit out there, and
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  Speaker 1: I would.
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  Speaker 2: Have been- They do strip clubs like malls out there.
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  Speaker 1: They have like three stories.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. They have a buffet, a whole type of
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  Speaker 2: convenience store.
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  Speaker 3: You were good at basketball and track too, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basketball for sure. So I grew up on the
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  Speaker 1: AAU team. So the same AAU team, it was like me,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Beasley, KD- Nolan Smith wound up going to Duke,
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  Speaker 1: and he played, I think, for the– played in the
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  Speaker 1: NBA for like six, seven years. So it was like
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  Speaker 1: 10 of us that went all through like the same
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  Speaker 1: AAU team. And then the problem was I started growing here,
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  Speaker 1: getting wider, and then everybody else, like Beasley and all
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  Speaker 1: these other guys, they just kept, you know, going that way. But, yeah, Beasley,
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  Speaker 1: we practically grew up in the same neighborhood, in the
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  Speaker 1: same house. Like Beasley at 10, 19 years old was
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  Speaker 1: at my house when we were growing up. Yeah, all
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  Speaker 1: of us.
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  Speaker 3: Was there anything like, was it family ties and stuff
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  Speaker 3: that kept you in Maryland?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Why you didn't want to visit any of these other
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  Speaker 3: prestigious D1 programs?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did. Because I think for me, my coaches
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  Speaker 1: took care of me in high school. So we lost,
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  Speaker 1: we were homeless. We lost our house to fires because
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  Speaker 1: my mom couldn't pay the bills. So she lit candles
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  Speaker 1: because we couldn't afford the lights. The lights got cut
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  Speaker 1: off and gas got cut off. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: candles had burned through and we burned the whole house down.
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  Speaker 1: And so I ended up moving with my coaches. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was like, man, my coaches took me in.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have to do that. You know, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to take me in. So I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: say I felt obligated, but all of a sudden at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I'm like, everybody want to see me
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  Speaker 1: play and not have to fly out or go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a lot of decisions, man. And then, too,
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  Speaker 1: they just came off of, I think, the Gator Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: They played the Florida and the Gator Bowl, like 2000,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. And then I played in two Gator
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  Speaker 1: and in a Peach Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: When you, so you talk about being homeless, you losing
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  Speaker 2: your house, all that. And then, you know, having the
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  Speaker 2: success you did in the NFL and having this entrepreneurial
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  Speaker 2: spirit you had, where did that come from? Because obviously
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  Speaker 2: given the circumstances you just laid out for everybody, it
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  Speaker 2: would be easy to fold and go into this life that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you should probably see a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: around you going into what was different for you.
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  Speaker 1: It was, it was difficult, man, because you're like, well, we,
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  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, you start seeing like all
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  Speaker 1: the dealers and stuff drive up and they got benches and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but I'll say this though. Um, A lot
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  Speaker 1: of drug dealers and stuff we grew up at, they
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  Speaker 1: never let me stay around. So if something was ever
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  Speaker 1: going down or something was around, they would tell me
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  Speaker 1: to leave the basketball court, get out of here, stay away.
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  Speaker 1: So it was actually the opposite of everybody like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: come in here. do this, do this bad stuff. They
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  Speaker 1: were like, man, get out of here. Because they knew
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  Speaker 1: I had potential to go play on that level. I
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  Speaker 1: was a good kid. I was really into sports. And so,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not, man, they were just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: take your little ass out of here.
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  Speaker 2: They would essentially tell you, hey, something's about to go down.
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  Speaker 1: You have to get out of here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. No way.
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  Speaker 2: Leonard Fournette, I think he told a similar story growing
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  Speaker 2: up because he was so talented in high school and
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  Speaker 2: all that. They were like, any time any of that
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  Speaker 2: stuff was going to go down, they're like, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: got to get out of here. That's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: nice little deal.
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  Speaker 3: When did you know you were going to be a
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  Speaker 3: guy in the NFL, like, while you were playing in college?
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  Speaker 1: Well, um... Probably knocked four people unconscious. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So, my.
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  Speaker 1: My after that game that I had my sophomore year
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  Speaker 1: was my first big interview uh with ESPN because I
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  Speaker 1: was like ranked in the country now coming out in
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  Speaker 1: high school um do I got no media training like
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  Speaker 1: we don't where I come from we didn't never no
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  Speaker 1: one ever put a camera in our face to tell
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  Speaker 1: us what to say uh so at that point I'm
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  Speaker 1: speaking from the heart right so the uh reporter come
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  Speaker 1: up this remember they had the old school uh tape
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  Speaker 1: recorders yeah they press the tape recorder and they let
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  Speaker 1: you talk um So we pressed the tape recorder. He
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  Speaker 1: got his notepad right here. And the ESPN guy said, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you play the game hard. You know, you've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of passion out there. Like, what made you get
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  Speaker 1: into football? Why do you play like this? What made
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  Speaker 1: you get into football? I said, sir, I can do
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  Speaker 1: anything I want to anybody and not go to jail.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, just being like a six-foot, 200-pound offensive lineman reading
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  Speaker 2: that news article.
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  Speaker 1: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: Playing him next week.
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  Speaker 1: He pressed the stop button and just looked at me
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  Speaker 1: for like 30 seconds like, dude, you're going to jail. Like, 100%
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  Speaker 1: you're getting in trouble. But I think for me, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the truth is now I look back on it and
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  Speaker 1: understand why I said it and why it came up.
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  Speaker 1: It's because those two hours of practice or games, it
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  Speaker 1: was my way of getting away to everything I was
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  Speaker 1: dealing with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? So I get two hours to go out there
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  Speaker 1: and like unleash on anybody, right? And so- That's what
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  Speaker 1: I meant. I could have framed that a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: But at the time, I said that because that's what
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  Speaker 1: I believed in. I was like, man, I get this
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  Speaker 1: chance to go out there and do what I love
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  Speaker 1: to do and not get in trouble for it. And
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  Speaker 1: so it just came across wrong. But the truth is,
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  Speaker 1: that's why I started playing.
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  Speaker 3: When you're in college and obviously you're close to home,
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  Speaker 3: what are the things you're dealing with outside of having
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  Speaker 3: those two hours or having that escape of football?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me, man, is
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  Speaker 1: that those two hours, I forgot about everything. As soon
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  Speaker 1: as I walked off the field, I knew I was
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: going to come home to an eviction notice. We'll come home.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the lights are going to be out. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: have food, but those two hours, I didn't think about
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  Speaker 1: it at all. And then, so one day my high
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  Speaker 1: school coach had noticed that I was, I was losing
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  Speaker 1: some weight and because we didn't, we didn't have food.
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  Speaker 1: And so he, you know, then he started kind of
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  Speaker 1: stepping in and my, you know, my dad wasn't around.
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  Speaker 1: Me and my dad got a pretty good relationship now,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't around at the time. And so, He
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: started to take care of a few things, make sure
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: we had food and got me a computer so I
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: could start doing my homework and stuff like that. So
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: at that time, it was my first time talking about
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: how I was living. Matter of fact, so Mike Loxley,
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: who's the head coach now at Maryland, he was a
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: running back coach at Maryland at the time. He recruited me.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: And he's the head coach now.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: He's the head coach now at Maryland. We were in
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: such bad conditions. When I committed to Maryland, Ralph Regan
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: and Loxley was going to come to my place. But
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: it was so bad that I didn't want them to
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: see where I lived. So I committed to them and
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: they never took a home visit or anything like that.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: I would always tell them that I'll come to the
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: school because I didn't want them to see where and
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: how I was living. And so he didn't even really
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: know until later on that we were living in those
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: conditions because I was just For me, I was embarrassed.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I was embarrassed to let people know that we were
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: living like that. And so looking back on it now,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: in a weird way, you're thankful for it a little bit.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Because it gave me another layer of skin that most
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: people don't have. When you talk about all the stuff
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I got going now, it was like a preparation for
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that I'm doing now.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you don't do this a whole lot
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: because anybody who has an entrepreneurial spirit usually just looks
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: on to the next thing.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: But if you ever do have an opportunity, you're sitting
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: in your house, in your living room, and it's nighttime
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: and you just think to yourself, wow, look what I've
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: made versus what I've come from. It just adds so
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: much to your story and how cool of a story
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: I used to, because I always hated the rags, the riches.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you're right. That's exactly how I looked
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Because it was always like the next thing. And I
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: get up the next day, it's the next thing, next thing,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: next thing. And then you do get those subtle moments,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: especially when you come and somebody from your past, like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: an old friend, old somebody who knew you back then,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: they see your house now, right? They see how you're
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: living and see that you got all these amazing things
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: going on in the media, that you get that real
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: quick reminder of what you are. We have gone through.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Speaking of seeing old people, how did your relationships change
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: as you started to find success and money with these guys?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Like you get drafted, right? First round. People want to
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: come see you in San Diego at the time where
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the Chargers were playing.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Like how did you navigate those hands out?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: And being like, hey, you got to help us out.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: You know how we helped you.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe a couple of those guys that said, hey, leave
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: the basketball court. They want to put their hand out
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: and say, hey, we helped you with all this.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's tough, especially when you come from where we came from.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Because there's a certain level of like, you owe me, right?
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: For being a friend or somebody that might have loaned
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: you a coat or something at that time. Now they
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: want a car. You're like, hold on, man, you let
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: me use a coat for two weeks. Right. Now you
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: want a car. I mean, what is, you know.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: That's a weird trade.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: That's a weird trade. Believe it or not, man, it
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: happens more when you come from that area, those type
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: of areas, it happens a lot. And so what I
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: did do was I took care of my high school.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I donated probably overall probably $ 350, 000 to my high school,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: built them a new gym. They got new fields and
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I did all that. So everybody that
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: kind of took care of me, like my coaches, you know,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: help them get a new house. So everybody who took
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: care of me at that time, I took care of
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: everybody else immediately. That was the first thing. I bought
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: my house, bought my car. But the first thing I
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: did was everybody who took care of me and helped
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: me get there when I didn't have shit, I was like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I'm taking care of them first. Yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: What about the people trying to come back into the
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: fold where it's like you obviously have certain boundaries with people,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: but people that are beyond that boundary are trying to
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: get in the mix as well?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know who I thought was going to be
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the first one? Because I told you my dad wasn't around.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I thought my dad was going to be the first
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: one to pop up.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And he didn't.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about when you were like, I didn't
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: necessarily have a good relationship with him.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: You have a good relationship with him. I'm curious how
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that started to come about. So I talked to my
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: dad one time on the phone. So I didn't see
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: my dad from the ages of 10 or 11 till
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the first time I talked to him on the phone
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: when I was 18. And I didn't see him in
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: person until I was 26 or 27. So I didn't
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: see my dad in person from the ages of 10
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to 27. I reached out to him, my freshman year
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: at the University of Maryland, because I had questions. I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, like you got, you wanted personality traits.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Do you like this? And, you know, one of the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: first things we talked about is like, he's always slept
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: with the TV on. And I was like, damn, I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: can't sleep with the TV off. Yeah. Yeah. So it was,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you know, little things like that. And so anyway, we talked,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we talked for four hours, like three or four hours
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: on the phone. And he said, look, I'm not going
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to be that way. I wasn't around. This is my address.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: This is my number. Reach out and call me whenever
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you want. But I'm not going to be that guy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: So I respected that. And so I didn't see him
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to my final game in Buffalo. This is one of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the reasons. First, I'm not even talking about this. This
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why I retired. And Buffalo
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: actually offered me to come back for two years. Doug
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Whaley did. And I was like, I'm done. When I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: knew I was going to retire, my dad, I called him.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And I said, Hey, he never seen a game. He's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: never came a game before. So he drove from Atlanta
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to Buffalo. And it was my first time seeing him.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I was staying downtown Buffalo. He came, his wife came
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: up the elevator, walked around. I seen her first. And, uh,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: my dad was walking like super slow around the corner
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and he was just like balling because I, for the last, first,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: last time I seen him when I was 10 years old, um,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And so anyway, you know, we came up and, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: we hugged and we talked and stuff a little bit.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And he took, he had a jacket on. And so
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: we had like three of the same tattoos in the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: same areas, just different. Like I got a money thing here.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: He had the same one, but it was smaller.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing. We had three of the same
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: tattoos in the same area, dude. And I've never seen
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: him since I was 10 years old. So it was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the freakiest thing. And then after we started to talk,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. You can never repair it fully, right?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You can't really make up that time. But now we
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: got a pretty good relationship.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And that was the last football game you ever played?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I retired right after.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And so what was the reason why you didn't want
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to go two more years?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I tore my Achilles. And so I could still play, dude,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: when you tear the Achilles, you lose your, like you
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: can't push off like he wants to.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And that was- mobility.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: The knee starts hurting, hip starts hurting, everything's connected.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It was all of it. Yeah. And, um, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I just wasn't, I wasn't the same anymore. And I couldn't,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: for me, I was so damn competitive. I couldn't take
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: being averaging, you know, going out there, even if, even
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: if Buffalo was going to pay me, I just couldn't,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I couldn't take, cause he, and they knew it, but
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he next like, yo, You're not what you was, but
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we need you in the locker room. Like as a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: locker room guy, I said, dude, I can't watch that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: shit on film. I can't put that out there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about that feeling though, when you turn
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: on the film and you think to yourself, man, that
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: angle I used to take, I could get that guy
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: or I could cover that guy like that. And then
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're watching, you're like, bro, it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: just not there anymore. What is that feeling like? And
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: when did you notice it?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I think for us athletes, we're the last ones that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: always know we need to retire. Like everybody else, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: everybody said, like, dude, like, come on.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel, he, when he had to retire, he literally
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: came home and his wife was like, you see this? Like,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you got to be done.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh shit, are you serious?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: So you're right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And that's how, that's how it was. And we had a,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: we had a rookie that came in, we were in
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: training camp and the rookie, I don't know if he
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: played linebacker. He was like, you know, three or four
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: behind me. He was trying to make the team as
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a special teams guy. And he said, in the middle
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of training camp, he said, man, I got to tell you, man,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you're one of my favorite players in, like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: high school. And I was thinking, I was like, shit. One, two, three.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And I was doing the math. Yeah. And I was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, man, it's about that time. Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's about that time. And so I ended
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: up retiring after that year.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Coming into the league, being a first-rounder, talk about your time, like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: when you first burst on the scene. I, um.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, what's, what's crazy is that, you know, we
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was talking about Vernon, like me and Vernon had some
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: epic battles in practice. The student, we had a fence
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: outside and the students used to go up to the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: fence and like cut holes in the, in the thing
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: just to watch me and Vernon go and do one-on-ones.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It was a line. Every day we did one-on-ones outside
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of practice to watch me and Vernon.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Like go at it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I felt like, you know, going against
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Vernon every day. And then Vernon was just, he was strong, dude.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Like just, Vernon's like the most physical freakish player that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I ever played. Him and Kermod, Antonio Kermod, are the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: two freakish players I played with. And so when I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: got there, I was thinking, like, okay, I seen Vernon.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Then you got Antonio Gates, you know, sitting right in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: front of your practice. I was like, God damn, you know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And so I walked in. I was late. I was
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: late to camp because I had an injury clause. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: so I'm seeing everybody, including Phillip. They're talking shit about
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: me in the media. They're like, he should be here.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Who does he think he is? It was like that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And this is your rookie year first training camp?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: This is my rookie year. And I didn't go to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: any mini camp. I showed up two weeks before the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: first game. This is old CBA. Yeah, this is old CBA.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: This was before this whole CBA thing changed. And there
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: are injury clause in my contract that I didn't want
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to go out there and do anything because if I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: got hurt, then they didn't have to pay technically because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of the contract. Um, and it was more of like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a good faith thing. And I was like, no, that's not.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Good on you to know that it worked a little bit.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I finally, we got the contract situated.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I got there and it was like a week and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a half, two weeks before the first game, not recent game. Um,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: but I remember everybody talking shit and, and like fill
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: up and everybody should be, you should be here. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I said, dude, what this first day I get up there,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: somebody getting their ass handed to him first day, whoever
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it is. And, um, so yeah, The first day I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: got there was pad. Our first pad at practice, we
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: had almost 4,000 or 5,000 fans in practice. And everything
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I did, crap, I was going over the bags. You'd
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have thought I scored every time I did something, right?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Fans were just going crazy because that was the first
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: time he saw me out there. We go to one-on-one
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: pass rushing drills with the running backs and fullbacks.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Which is the most unfair drill for running backs of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: all time. It's got to be what you dread the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: fucking most. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Unless you got Lorenzo Neal. Yeah. Right.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So I didn't, I didn't give a damn who was
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in front of me. Somebody was going, somebody was going
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to get it because I had this pent up anger
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: because I'm sitting at home and back in Maryland and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing all these, like he should be here and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: all this other shit. And so we go out there
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and my first one-on-one is against Lorenzo Neal. And I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: went and, Boom, blew him up. Low kneel. He falls over.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I'm stepping over. I'm, you know, cry, ooh, hyping it up,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: just throwing gas from the fire. And it was the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: worst mistake I ever made, ever.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo Neal. Bro, listen. You're going into that rep thinking,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: there's no fair dodge. I'm not making a move. I'm
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: running straight through this. There was no half man, nothing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I went straight down the middle, blew him up. And,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, the crowd's going crazy. I go back around
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm going against, I'm in the front line about
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to go again. It's somebody else up there. Lorenzo Neal
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: grabbed him, picked him up and then pushed him out
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the way so he can go again. And at that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: moment I said, oh shit. I said something.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Something doesn't feel right here. At Maryland and in high school,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: people would have been like, yeah, you go ahead and
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: take him.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Not this time.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So I went up again and I tried to pull
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the same mess I did the first time. No shake,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: half man. I was right down the middle. And when
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I did that, low nails stood me straight up in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the air. And I felt like my blood rushed to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: my fingers. You know, that tingle in your arms. Yeah, yeah. That,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I had nothing. You had that stinger. Both arms. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: never had, you know, typically you would get a stinger
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: in one shoulder, one arm. Both arms were just numb.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and felt like my blood had left my back of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: my body and went all the way to the front
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of my face, dude. My face was burning, itching. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God. And so after that,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: me and O'Neal came up with this thing that we
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: had a brother-in-law.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Right, the brother-in-law.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You know, the brother-in-law.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: The sacred brother-in-law.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Because we realized that if we kept doing that,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: somebody wasn't going to make it to the game. We
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had it with like, So that was the last time
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I ever tested low nail. It was the worst mistake
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that I ever did in my life still to this day. Dude,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that's the worst.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: But maybe the sacrifice for the best kind of business
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: move because now you're not having to.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Right. Yes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: See, that's a vet move, right? Yeah, it's a vet move.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It was a vet move. And so I think that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: when we did that, every time that they ran a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: power or something like that, we just got within a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: few of each other and just let up. I got
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: my spot. He got in his spot.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: We're good. Coaches said nothing to us after that at all,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: because they knew if we kept banging like we were,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: somebody was going to make it to the game. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: low nail is the realest you ever want to deal with.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But I think at that time, and then I didn't
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: know this two years later, Antonio Gates said that the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: tight ends were watching that in the meeting room. It
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: was like, shit, I ain't blocking his ass.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: As a rookie too.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Damn, bro.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Did he say anything to you after that rep?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Um, no, but you know, I started to work out
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: with O'Neal every day after practice. O'Neal was 12 years
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in at this time. I'm a rookie dude. And I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: couldn't keep up like low nail was just on a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: different planet. And so I just got with him and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I started training with him every like three, four days
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a week after practice, we would go hit it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He was the hardest worker on that team.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. Yeah, no doubt, man.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: You guys had some fucking squads, bro. It was always
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: surprising that you guys just didn't get over that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Hump, man. Yeah. You know what kind of– because, like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we all put these emphasis on championships, right? But I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: will say this, and I know the Patriots, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: won rings and stuff during that time. I think in
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that mid-2000s, we were the best team to never win
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a championship. Yeah. And within that, you know, 2005-2010 range.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: We were so dominant. I mean, hell, man, our practices
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: some days were harder because we had Marty Schottenhamer. Dude,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and Marty was a type that you love him to death,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but Marty was a hard ass. You know, he had
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: his times where in training camp, he'll just go and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: tap you and just have you doing Oklahoma drills with
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a lineman or a running back. Like before practice, this
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is the pros.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pre-practice.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Pre-practice.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: He's not even fully warmed up. He's tapping on the shoulder.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Once you go through the warm-ups, no drills. It was
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: like as soon as you warm up, we went over
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to the other field and it was Oklahoma drills.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Call the boys up. Hey, here's what we got here.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And he calls out two numbers.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Going at it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And you got a defensive lineman, an offensive lineman, or
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a linebacker and a fullback, and it just smacked it
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: at that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Dude, is that not the ultimate judgment? Like when the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: coach calls it up, it's like, all right, we got
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: 5-1 and 7-7 going at it here in the Oklahoma drill.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And you're just like, all right. Either you're thinking to yourself, bro,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like this dude's a beast, or you're thinking like, if
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't win this, I'm going to catch hell forever.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And it's basically just, hey, you guys got to prove
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it to me right now.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And you got everybody watching too, right? Everybody watching. So
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you can, if you got practice, somebody block you or something,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's covered up, maybe on film, maybe.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: But if you get blasted in Oklahoma drills and everybody's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: around you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody's hyping up the winner.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody's hyping up.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: They're jumping over you to get to the guy. Like, hey,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: hell yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: What were the meeting rooms like? Was he exposing a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: lot of guys? Like, if you fucked up in practice.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: You're sitting there and you're like, please, God, don't go
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to this play.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So, he was like, Marty can get you to run
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: through a wall. Like, he gave these speeches that you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: would get up. I don't care what your day was like.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You were getting up and you were running through a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: damn wall. But he always had this thing where he
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: would If he got too emotional, he would start tearing
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: up and cry a little bit, right? So we had
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: this thing in the team meeting room. If we had
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a good game, we were watching the film. We were
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: talking about the film. And he's pointing out either good
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: or bad plays. But when he's pointing out the good
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is when he started to get like that. So we
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: got this thing. We started to bet, right? So everybody's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: bringing 20s, got hundreds. It's thousands of dollars flowing around.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: everybody got cash in the team meeting room and uh
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: we were it was a clock right behind marty and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we would look at this clock and we say over
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and under a minute and a half before he cries
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: right just a minute and a half 90 seconds no
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: just 90 seconds because so after he looked at the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: film he said you know got a Big hustle play
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or running through or jumping over a pile or touchdown,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: something big where a guy laid his body on the line,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he would get emotional about these type of things. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: we had this thing.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Did that consistently get emotional?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, it was like clockwork.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: True football guy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Straight football guy, 100%. And so we all got hundreds
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and 20s. I'm coming in at about 500 bucks because
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we're betting now at this point. The clock is right
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: behind him. So as soon as he turned around from
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: watching that play, the time, it starts. And so we
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: got in there. And then before he started to tear up,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: his bottom lip would always start to tremble a little bit, right?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So we know it's coming.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So you hear us in there. We're looking at the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: clock because the clock is right behind him. And you're like, oh, oh. Damn!
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Everybody like, because they either lost or they won, right?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And so you hear the guys and they're upset. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: so all you hear is this crinkled up money passing down.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Dude. So sometimes I'll walk out of there with a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: couple grand, dude, because I'm like, oh, that's a minute
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and 20.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: When did he find out? He had to know eventually.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: He did probably like the fourth or fifth time. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: he was eight. Right when he turned around, he's like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I know you motherfuckers betting on it. And so we
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: burst out laughing, dude, because we knew that he had
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: found out that we were betting on him whether he
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was going to cry or not, man. But I miss Marty, man.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: He was something else. He really, like you knew, like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he was tough as nails, but he'll walk up to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you in training camp sometime and just tap you and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, take the 907 off. He'll take whatever
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: drills off to rest your body and stuff like that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So we had a tough time. part about him, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: then he had, you know, the other side.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: He would go to some guys that put in the work.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It says a lot too, like head coaches who
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: can still motivate you through a speech. Cause you feel
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: like when you go through college, you've heard all this stuff, right?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And then as you taste the business of the NFL,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: you know, it kind of gets outside the whole scope
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: of the team all the time. So a coach that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: able to like make you feel something in the speech.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I remember the first time I heard John Gruden give
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: a speech when I was out in Oakland, it was
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: like my seventh year, I think. And I just remember
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: being like motivated after a practice. I mean, it's kind
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: of been a while since I felt like, yeah, somebody
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: make me feel something like this.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Cause usually, I mean, especially with like Vrabel who had
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: for the longest time, he would always, he wasn't like
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a motivator, like tell a story, get you amped up,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: but he was a guy that like just always had the.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Keys and everything.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: This is what we have to do to win, blah, blah, blah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And then we just send us out very rarely in
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Do you feel that like, you know, Friday
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: night lights type of motivation type shit, but in high school, bro,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: high school coaches, I feel like give the best speeches.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I think, I think now with the NFL, everything is
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: so like technical, So you don't get like the emotional
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: passionate speeches. You get like, you know, this many times,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you know, this many percentages and breaking down numbers and shit.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Like you got a handful of coaches still have that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: passion to get you up and run through a wall.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, it's like, you know, culture
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: take the sheet out and be like, hey, we were 37%
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: on setting such down. Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying? So it's become a lot more.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: technical like yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: A lot more analytical yeah data driven guys are trying
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to figure stuff out because i feel like the game
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: has become so refined like everyone is so much faster
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: stronger bigger and techniques have gotten a lot better too
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: so everyone's trying to find that small little thing you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: see a couple years ago with the patriots doing the
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: field goal bringing a guy from the sideline and running
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: in that was like a new little wrinkle they throw
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: it so every once in a while there's like a
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: new change but yeah it's very much on the on
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the numbers it's a very numbers game one thing that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: hasn't changed though is rookie hazing Yeah. And it has
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: changed a little bit. Like, you're not as hard as
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it used to be. But back in your day, what
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: was that rookie hazing like your rookie year?
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like you probably- They probably ain't hazing.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to say it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: The way he talks about being cocky, he's probably one
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: of those asshole rookies, too, where it's like, come on, man.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Just be a part of it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just be a part of it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You have guys come in, they'll be like, yo, I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: not doing this shit. It's like, yeah, you got to.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Sean's a psycho.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Like, we ain't going to- Okay, so this is the thing.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: For me, I was like, if a guy asks me
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to carry helmets or pick stuff up, no problem. But
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: then you got some of the guys that like go
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: overboard and I'm like, no, I'm still a man. You know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not, you know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: He's exactly what we thought he was. He's exactly what
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: we thought he was.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: He's the one that looks at you and is like, hey, hey, hey,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: good luck.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: And you're like, all right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was that, you know, I had big
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Jamal Williams play de-tackle for us. We had Randall Godfrey
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and Donnie Edwards. We had some real OGs in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: locker room. So if they told me to pick some
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: stuff up off the field, no problem.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But then you have to put your foot down and say, listen, bro, like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: enough's enough. I mean, like, what are you going to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: do at this point? And then you ask him. It's like, okay.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, no one really wants
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: to fight.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what they did do to me, though?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They got me with that rookie dinner, dude.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, how much?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: 32 racks.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Whole defense?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Whole team. Shut the fuck up. So, yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Because now I feel like it's broken up offense, defense.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: No, I think they changed it after me. It was
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: either me.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: It was either trailblazer.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Dude, it was, it was, it was a record that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you don't want to have, you know? And so I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: think it was either me or Dez Bryant, but so
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they got there. And if you're four years in, which
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you've vested out the four years, right. That's the year long.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So after four years, you were invited to this rookie dinner.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And normally the first round draft pick, he, he pays. Yeah. And, um, yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I told his story, you know, a few different times, man,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: but long story short, we go to this place in
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Del Mar called Papa Moose grill. And, um, I have
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: no idea, but I just turned 21 that season. So
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I got no idea like what all this stuff costs and,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Bottles of alcohol.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I don't understand a dollar at all.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Dude, like Drew Brees got me with like two or
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: three bottles of wine that were like a thousand a piece.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And I got, dude, I'm thinking of wine. So I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: seeing wine in a liquor store. You're thinking like, oh, okay,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it's a hundred bucks, 200, whatever. Max, you know, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you find out those are a thousand. And he's sitting
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: there with two bottles in his hand like that. But me,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Jamal Williams and Antonio Gates was drinking like this alcohol
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that I didn't know at the time called Louis XIII.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Louis XIII.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Bro, they ordered. So they ordered one. My dumb ass,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I ordered two more. They're not knowing how much it was.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You know, so anyway, we go and everybody's eating good
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. At the end of the night,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the owner of the restaurant come and say, Sean, I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: need to see you in the back. I was like,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: for what? Like. Bring me the bill, man.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Show me around? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Meet the chef?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You thought you were, oh, all right.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: How about that? I'm like, oh, you know, the chef,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: he's a fan, man.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Cool. I appreciate it. Maryland fan.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that wasn't the case. He was like, man,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I need to see you in the back. And I'm
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: getting frustrated at this point because I already told him twice.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I said, just bring the bill, man. I'm trying to,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you know, get out there. So I said, please, just
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: do me a favor. Call me in the back. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I go on the back in the kitchen area and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he gives me this receipt, dude, a drop down like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a Safeway or CVS receipt to my feet.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Like a cartoon.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, to my feet. I couldn't believe it. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, you made a mistake. I was like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: did you accidentally print it too many times? I didn't
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: know what was going on. And so anyway, I looked
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of this thing and I lifted it
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: up and I finally got to the bottom. And it
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: was like 32 grand, a hundred and something dollars or something.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And my heart just, I just dropped, my heart dropped
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to my socks. I mean, literally my heart, because I've
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: never seen anything like this before in my life. So,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you know, when the bill bad, and I don't know
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: if you guys ever did this or not, but if
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you're out with a group of people and somebody, you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: trying to divide the bill up and stuff, you start
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: looking at them like, dude, I didn't order garlic mashed potatoes, bro.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, the bill's 32 grand. What the hell is, like,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: what does it matter at that point, right? But I'm so,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sick, and I'm trying to get out of this bill. And, uh,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So I got my black card. I gave him my
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: black card. And I'm hoping. Hold on. All right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: That's a nice little flex you just put on.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Us just now.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: 21 with a black card. Yeah, 21 with a black card.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping. I'm praying to God that this thing declines.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm praying. For the one time, you know, you're somewhere,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you're traveling, and it should decline. You're like, man, God.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Kind of embarrassed.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Drew, I need you to give me a ride. Sorry
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So I'm literally in my head. I'm begging for this
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: thing to decline, dude. I'm like, please. If they call me,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and then I give me enough time to go and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: work a deal out or work the bill out. And
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I gave it to him, and I'm hoping that when
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he comes back, he says, hey, you got to call him.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And I was going to tell him, like, I'll just
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: call him tomorrow or something. I worked a bill out separately,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: something down the road. They handed me the pen, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that shit went through. Nobody called me. No one from
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: American Express called me at all, bro. I was so sick.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I was so sick. I couldn't believe it. And I just,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that whole day, my stomach was just in knots. I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe that just happened.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Back then, were they added gratuity already?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: The gratuity was already added?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Because it would have been way worse. You're like, all right,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: what's 20% of this?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think I had the stomach to put my
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: pen in that paper and add a tip at that time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think I could have done it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You know it's heartbreaking. Just put the line through it. Dude,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: my rookie dinner, my credit was so bad. I was
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a first round draft pick, but my credit was so
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: bad that I had my credit card with a $ 1, 000
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: max on it for the month. So I had to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: like call my bank and be like, hey, I'm doing
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a rookie dinner tonight. I need you to get that max.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It was like two hours.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: A two-hour process. It's like five grand.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Damn, 32.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Dude, I wish.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: 32 is nothing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I remember it was like 20-something when I was on.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Sorry, 32 is a lot.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: 32 is insane.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Five grand is nothing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Because it'd be like, they'd have the draft picks and like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say it was like the top
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: two or three rounds, like they'd split it. It'd be
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: like 20 something grand, but they'd split it. I haven't
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: seen like a 32.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I never even heard like anything over 16, like 32
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It was disgusting.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, it was, it was, what we
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: would do is we would get like towards the end,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: we would get the rookies, have them come in. We
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: go to a nice place and then we get a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Louie shots for everybody. But we would tell the restaurant like, hey,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: just do one Louis shot for whoever's paying for the dinner.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And then just bring the rest of us like, you know, plastic. Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Something ridiculous. And then we would tell them, hey, amp
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that bill up. So a bill would be like, you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: at the end, like we would do like 1300, 1400 bucks.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be that much, but we'd make it look
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like 10,000, $ 15, 000. So they'd be sweating and hurting. You
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: get to see the pain in their face. And then
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, hey, man, it's all good. Take a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: zero off that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: You're all set. If my bill was $ 10, 000, I would
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: have been happy as hell.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Dude, I would have been excited. I would
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: have been so happy if that bill was $ 10, 000.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: God.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Because $ 32, 000, man, it was like a, you know, at
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that time, the most expensive thing I would have bought
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: was a house.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I bought a car, but outside of that, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: had nothing that expensive ever.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: What was that first car you were driving in rookie year?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: A G-Wagon. Oh, okay. And I bought the G-Wagon because- Yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: about that. And I said it to West Coast Customs
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: when I got out there. I had a decked out
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: KZG wagon. But I got that car, I got that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: truck because of LeVar Arrington.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Who was a monster.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Who was my mentor, my older brother. And I remember he,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: at the time, he was Tate and Serena. And they
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: were kind of my games, LeVar and Serena Williams. They
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: were kind of my football games. And so he would
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: drive up on the field, bro, and that thing. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I'd just look over and I was like, man, when
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I get some money, man, I'm going to get one.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Was that your first big purchase?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's a write-off, too. Two or 5,000 pounds.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Businessman. Yeah. I'll let them. At that time, I was
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: blowing it up, so I didn't give a shit.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You were definitely the rookie showing up day one with
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the Louis bag.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: 100%. Gucci slips, new chain. Jewelry.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: The whole thing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: No doubt.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: What's the most expensive piece of jewelry you bought?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Um, I had a $ 100, 000 chain out of like a hundred. Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I was definitely wearing a lot of jewelry.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: You know, you spent a lot of money with that
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: first photo. They popped up with the little landing strip
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: That was about 70 right there, 60 or 70, but
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: I had one that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Was a hundred.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: No shit.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Did you ever, uh, haze into rookies?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Um, no.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: You know what I used to do to guys? I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: would have them break my... It's the only thing I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: really did. I would have them break my cleats in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: because I hated wearing new shoes. So I would let
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: them get the blisters and shit. You know, like first.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: You'd have them wear them? Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: For a practice? For a practice and then give them
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: No shit.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I'd be so mad if someone was like, you need
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to wear these cleats. I'm like, bro, I have to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: break in my own. What are you talking about?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was as far as I got. I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything more than that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Dude, talk to me about, so you're out in the Northeast,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: you're in Maryland, and then you get drafted by the Chargers.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Were you just like so hyped up? Have you been
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to California before this time?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: No, never. The only time, well, I take that back.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I did go on my visit. Yeah. And so, do
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I not even see like- The top 30s? Yeah. Okay,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: got you. And so we got there, when they brought
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: me out, I never seen like palm trees and stuff
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: like that in person. That was my first time actually
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: seeing it. So we're going over, and you see that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: PB area, and you see all the water. I said, dude,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: this is like a dream. Yeah. I wish I could
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: get trapped in here. This is like paradise.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: You didn't care to go all the way across the country?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: No. In fact, I wanted to.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Because I'm high school in Maryland, college in Maryland, so
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I actually wanted to go kind of on the West Coast.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So I took the trip to Dallas. I took the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: trip to– Detroit, the Chargers, and then Redskins at the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: time because they were home.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: The team form right now.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So I met with them four. And they
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: told me, they said, look, we don't think you'll be
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: around the 12th pick. We think it'll go somewhere in
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the top five, top seven. Definitely top 10. They didn't
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: think I would get outside that top 10. But they said,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: if you do, we're going to draft you. This was
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: coming from A.J. Smith at the time, the general manager.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Where did you think you were going when you were
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: coming in the draft?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Either one to San Fran or three to Cleveland. I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: thought I was going to either one of those. Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: If I didn't go there, there were so many options
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: because I came out and I was like 272. All
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the scouts initially thought I was like around 245, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I weighed in at 272. So now you had– they
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: didn't know if I was going to play outside linebacker
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: or defensive end. They couldn't believe I was moving around
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like that at that size. Yeah, that's a lot of men.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: So now it went from like possibly going top 15 to, like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: now that top five to seven. Right. And so, yeah, man,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to go one to San Fran.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: They got Alex Smith, went, and then three to Cleveland.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: They chose Braylon Edwards. And then the Redskins that year,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I forgot who they got. They got Carlos Rodgers, right,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the cornerback from Auburn, right? And then I went to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: go meet with Dallas. And the thing is, with Dallas,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I met with Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells. So they
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: told me that they want to draft me.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: You're thinking Bill Parcells. He had LT.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: You're thinking you're about to have the star on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: side of your helmet.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dude, the room that, the office that me and, me,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells sitting there was probably about
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the size of this bus.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Like, just how tight it felt.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And you got like Jerry Jones sitting right there. You
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: got Bill Parcells sitting there. Dude, and I'm a 20,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I don't even think I was 21 yet. I think
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I was 20. And I'm sitting there and do you,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like I felt, It was two big powerhouses in the room.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And you got Bill Parcells, who's just tough as nails.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And you got Jerry Jones sitting right there. And so
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Jerry's sitting up on the desk with his leg up
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: on the desk and saying, you know, Sean, if you're
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: there at 11 pick, we're going to draft you. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: then Bill Parcells tells me, he said, yeah, we're going
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to draft you. We want you here. As soon as
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you get here, I'm going to work your ass to death.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: This is what he told me, Bill Parcells.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: No shit.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Bill Parcells said, as soon as you get here, we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: going to work your ass to death. And in my head,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking like, man, I'm not trying to fucking come.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come here. No, no.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Just a little, just coach saying, we're going to work here.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: That's good enough for me. Were you surprised going from like, well,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: this was a big surprise for me. It was like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: being in college and seeing the facilities and then going
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: to places. I haven't been to the charges facility in
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: San Diego, but notoriously a very cheap franchise. And so
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you kind of see all these other ones. Were you
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: surprised at how maybe the charges were or Washington was
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: compared to Dallas?
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Um, Well, you know, I mean, you always got this
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: thing with like America's team anyway. Like you got this
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: People just knew they were like the team.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: They're the team. Yeah. And then, you know, it's Texas
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: football in general. It's just a whole different beast. But
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: then you got Dallas Cowboys. And for me, when I
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: got to San Diego, it was more like, dude, I stepped,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I got off the plane. It was 75 degrees and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the best weather you can have asked. It was almost
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: not real. Like it just didn't, it didn't feel real.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: The taxes were.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, but when you make
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: enough money, you're not thinking about that at the time. Now,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: as much as I know now, I'm like, you know.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: God damn.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: 52% just going to Uncle Sam.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh my God.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know that Bill Parcell, like, please work
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: my ass. Please work my ass.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: No state of Texas. I could have saved so much money.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Made my ass work. Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: No doubt. And it is crazy too. Cause like, I
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: don't know. Let's just say the taxes were the same
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in Texas as California. California was the same as Texas.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Bro, they beat the most overflooded state of all time.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It is so beautiful. It is such a beautiful place,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: especially Southern California.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Dude, I still argue with people. I think that San
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Diego is the best place in the country.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It might be.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, I just.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of people feel that way, especially when they've
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: had like a month or two there.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I was just there two months ago for four or
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: five days and.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I blew up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: That's where I would train in the off season. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: would go to Encinitas.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And I would be in Carl's bed at the Exos
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: over there, and I was just like, dude, this is unbelievable.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: It just seems like you're on a constant vacation, like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: on a permanent vacation living out there.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: So you're falling in the draft. You think, one, how
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: dope would it be to be the first overall pick
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in a draft? Like what a milestone. What an opportunity.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: That comes and goes. Three comes. It's like, all right,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: it is Cleveland, but still top three would be insane.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: That goes. Where's your mind at as you start essentially
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: falling in this draft?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it moved to like six or seven because I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: think the Vikings had six or seven. Yes, they had
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: seven that year. And so Mike Tice, he played football
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: at the University of Maryland. So I thought it was
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: going to be Minnesota after that. Once Minnesota passed, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: knew it was going to be Dallas or the Chargers. Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Like 100%.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: You feel any type of way when they grabbed DeMarcus Ware?
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Not really because you fall one pick and then there
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: was also a team you wanted to go to. You
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: get what I'm saying? So it wasn't that. Now, I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: mad because they told me what they told me. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: went home and told my family. Right. You know, that
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: part I was pissed off about because what happened was
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: half my family was divided up between coming from the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: DMV area, between then Redskins fans and Dallas Cowboys. It's rivalry.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You know, my family half and half. Yeah. So half
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: my family was excited. The other half of my family
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: was pissed off.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: You know, so what they did was is that my
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: family was Dallas Cowboys fans. They went out and got
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: custom-made 56 Merriman jerseys. Mm-hmm. And so the Redskins fans
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: at the time went out and got 56 Redskins jerseys.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And so when the Redskins won the clock, which I
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: think they were like the ninth pick or something like that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: or ninth or tenth pick, ninth pick, they won the clock.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And when they passed me, you just heard the wind
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: let out, oh, shit, you know, kind of.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Wasted a bunch of money on custom jerseys.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Ripped the jerseys out the bag, threw them in the back,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: so you heard that part. And so the rest of
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: my family was excited because they just knew I was
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: going to the Cowboys. Yeah. And so- I hear the
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: bags open because they're all taking the jerseys out of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the bags. And so the Cowboys passed me. You heard
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Shit, they're slamming the jerseys or whatever.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: And then I got a call from Marty. And at
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: this time, if you feel like people pass you, you
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: got to chip on your shoulder. Not just the Cowboys.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: It was like everybody who passed up. So I felt
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like I had to chip on my shoulder for that reason.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: And so Marty called me. He was like, hey, is
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: this Sean Raymond? I said, yes, this is Sean. Hey,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: this is Coach Schottenheimer. You ready to be a Charger?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: And I was like, hell yeah. You guys ready to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: call me? Call my name so I can get out
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: there and get to work. And after that, it was
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: kind of history.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I was reading where, what was the learning curve like
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: for you when you did finally arrive at training camp?
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Obviously you was talking about Lorenzo Neal and everything else.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: But I want to say I read or heard you
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: talking about how basically there was structure in the game
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: playing around you because you weren't necessarily privy to what
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: was even going on on the field.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Dude, I knew nothing. Which is crazy. That is insane. Dude,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I knew nothing. And- Because I got there so late.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And mind you, you know, the playbooks, I try to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: tell everybody, like the playbooks are this big. And when
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you play a strong, weak side linebacker, it changes depending
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: on what side of the strength. So your whole responsibility
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: may change. And then the game is so fast. You
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: got guys motioning, shifting, and then your mind is just,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't catch up, you know? And so finally, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: had Greg Minuski as my linebacker coach.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: He was my DC in Washington.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I love Coach Minuski.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Dude, with the best. The best, the best, dude. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the character. Beyond belief. Yeah. He's just going, douche. Yeah.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Drawing shit on the board. He's like one of the
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: most fun coaches I've ever had.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The best. And then John Pagano was also an
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: assistant linebacker coach.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: And Wade Phillips was a D coordinator. Dude, I had
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a great, great coaching staff. That's an awesome staff. Three different,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you know, one obviously ended up being a head coach
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and was a head coach, Wade Phillips. And you had
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Minuski who's been around as a player, as a coach,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: D coordinator. And then John Pagano also as a coach,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator as well. So I really had like three
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: really great coaches. So they finally, they knew I can play.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: They knew I can run and I was fast and
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: all that shit or whatever. They brought me after practice
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: one day. in the linebacker meeting room, and Wade Phillips,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and Minoski's sitting right here, and Pagano's sitting here, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Wade Phillips right here is like, listen, see ball, go ball.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm confused. I'm thinking like they're testing me because
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. They said, we want
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you to see ball, go ball. I said, Coach, what
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: does that mean? They said, well, when you see the ball,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: go to it. We'll line you up. And that was it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So when they called a strength and they called a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: strong side, a weak side, blitz, whatever, I knew I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: had to go to the strength. And when they say
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: your name is called, you go. And when your name
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: is not called, you drop. That was my playbook for
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the first like four to six weeks.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: And when you say when your name is called, is
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: it baked into the call? Yes. Like is the mic
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: backer saying? Yep.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: A Sam Mike, a Sam Mike blast. Right. So say
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: if I'm strong side, Sam, I'm blitzing. If they said
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: we'll cover three or whatever it is, my name not called.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I got the drop a curl flat, drop a curl flat.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Even then, it's just him answering it shaky. You want
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: to make sure Sean's blitzing every time.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Am I going back to a hook?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: What are we in here? Are we in a duo?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Are we in a zone, dog?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: And dude, if they shifted, you know, one of those things,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: because it's the worst, it's literally the worst feeling. Like,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you don't know what the hell's going on. And so
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they made it, it was see ball, go ball, dude,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: for the first four to six weeks.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: And that helped. Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And then by like week six, I was able to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: be interchangeable on size. I didn't have to switch sides anymore.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I knew that if a shift was, or the strength shift.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: then I can pick up on what the wheel was
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: supposed to do. So by week six, I was clicking.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That's when you're feeling good about it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: That's when I was good.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: There is not a worse feeling in the world when
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: a call is made and you're like trying to ask
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: somebody what the hell you're supposed to be doing.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Dude, I was going to blitz. No matter what. If
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: everything fails, just fucking rush.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: If everything fails, just get the sack, dude.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Thank God. Like, Shauna! Oh, yeah, good play.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: How many sacks did you get when you weren't even
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: supposed to rush?
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit. Probably at least 10.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Probably yeah like what did you have like 39 in
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: the first three years.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah like 39 40 and then um and that was
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: when I was suspended in 06 you know I had
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: 20 17 18 sacks in 06 um.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Bro, talk about the suspension.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, the lure, the mystery. Yeah. The Sean Merriman
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: PED steroids.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: You ended up getting injured afterwards.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Like, the entire career of Sean Merriman.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: People always ask and talk about the PED situation.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was so big at that time. I'll
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: tell you the biggest thing, because all that stuff was
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: going on with Balco. That's why I was so... It
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: was so big. It was like when Balco was going
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: after every, like it was so big. The track and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: field game.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Remind me the Balco stuff.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: That was the Victor Conti, like the track stars, like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: who was actually going to see doctors in like clinics.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Probably a doctor in Ohio.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Got you.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: This was massive. This was like the whole things where
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: they were trying to tie Barry Bonds. This was like
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the big- McGuire, okay. McGuire, yeah. Sosa. This was that era. Right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: When all that happened. And so when I got suspended,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, I got thrown right in the mix
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: with all of them. And I was like, dude, I've
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: never seen a doctor for shit. I got suspended for
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: something that was over the counter. Like you can go
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: to any vitamin shop or whatever. And what happened was
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that they put it on the list from the previous
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: year wasn't there. And so me being me, I didn't
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: look at anything. So when the PA sends out this
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: new thing before, and it was on there.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: It wasn't- Right, where they shoot you the email with
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: all the bands.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Or they bring it in too and they do
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that talk before the year they come in. But I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: just balled it up and put it in my locker
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm not taking anything different. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: so I actually got suspended during the off season. I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: got tested during the off season. And at the time
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I was tested 20 times. This was my 20th test
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that I failed.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: 20th test that you failed?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, 20th test that I took. Okay, okay, gotcha.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I failed the 20th test.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Because they were testing the shit out of my, like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: all the time, dude. They was like, hold on, this
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: rookie out here, he's going bonkers. And so I got
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: tested two months before the season started, or a month
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and a half before the season started. So it takes
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: like six to eight weeks before sometime you get your
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: results back. But I actually popped. I got suspended during
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the offseason. I took my suspension during the season. At
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: no point in time did I ever test positive after that.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: It was that particular time during the offseason of the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: supplements I was taking, and it was on the ban list.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I just didn't know. And so when I sent
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: everything in, I forgot the guy's name in Ohio who
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: was the head of the– he was the one to
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: do the testing you talked to. I forgot his name.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: He's probably the same guy.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so through the NFL and they say, Sean, look,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: we understand, but whatever you put in your body is
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: on you regardless. And I said, Hey, I mean, could
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you guys just find me the four games and don't suspend?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out a way. Cause I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: sent him the supplement. He's like, yep, this is it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: But it's, it's on the, it's on the list. I said, well,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to beat the system. Here it is.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I sent it to him. You know, I haven't hired a,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: had an attorney and I hired some, some doctors and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: scientists from UCLA, I spent a ton of money to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: show them I'm not trying to beat the system. And
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: this was cool. And I know Roger Goodell gets a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: lot of slack. But he did something he didn't have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to do because he felt that I was being unfairly
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: treated because of this thing. Roger Goodell actually came out
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and said he told the public that I had tested
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: 20 times, 19 of them clean, without a problem. And
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: this is the 20th time. that I got it. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I called him, I said, hey, I appreciate that, man.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that. Because he also felt like, hey, look,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: these are the rules, but how I was being treated
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: at that time for that wasn't fair, right?
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Especially in the public eye. Can you expand on how
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you were being treated? You're just saying you were just
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: guilty and.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, so like people- Because you're not the
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: only one with a PED suspension on the bus.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. I did.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I had a little Austrian incident. I went through the
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: whole thing. I got tested in March. Got tested again
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: in April. March was clean. Then April, I had trace
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: amounts for a thing called Austrian.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And I went through this whole, I did a lie
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: detector test, just trying to prove that I'm innocent.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Right. And you got suspended anyway, right?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I got suspended four games.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And so that's the thing. They make it clear that
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: they don't give a damn what you put. It's you.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Whatever you take, it's on you. And so I was like,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I get it, but at least you guys
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: see what I was taking. I'm not trying to hide it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: And they said, we get it, we understand, but you
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: still put it in your body. It's on you. So,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how long it took for you
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: to get your test back, but it took me like
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: six to eight weeks.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about the same.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: About that, right? And so when I, dude, this was happening.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: This was the craziest shit. So when I tested positive
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: for the PEDs, I didn't get a letter from the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: NFL until after week one. We played the Raiders. And
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: this didn't help. We played the Raiders Monday night and
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I opened up with like three, four sacks the first
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: game of the year. Right?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Going crazy. You know that offensive line was like, I
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: knew it. As soon as it happened, they're like.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Everybody, like, it's because, you know, like, you know, I
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was big after, you know, like, put together. So they
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: look at me like, for sure. Yeah, look at you.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: You don't say, bro.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: You know, I was kind of jacked. It's like, oh,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: you don't fucking say. They're dapping up a brick wall
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: when you're talking.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You said, what's up?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, god damn, all right.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: It was one of those things where I got the
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: four sacks and I came back. It was a Monday
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: night game. We got back from Oakland Tuesday. And I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: go in my locker. and there's a FedEx in my locker.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: So the only thing at the time that I knew
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: they sent out was fines and a FedEx. And I said,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: hold on, should we just play yesterday? So they can't
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: find me. Why are they fining me already? I was like, oh,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: they're starting this shit again, trying to come after me.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And I opened up that letter and it showed exactly
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: like what the, you know, you've been suspended for this, this, this,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and this. And I'm looking at it like it's some
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: kind of joke. Cause we, do we play some sick
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: jokes on each other in the locker room? Do we
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: play so many like just cruel, messed up jokes to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: each other? So I'm thinking like one of, one of
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the linebackers or one of the DBs that like typed
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: up some letter or like, I'm, I'm really thinking they
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: playing around with me, you know? And I took it
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to the trainer, James Collins. And I said, James, I said,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: this is not funny, man. Who's doing this shit? I said,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: what is this from? And he read it. He's like, yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: it looks like the NFL is suspending you for it.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I said, it's real? He said, yeah. So I go
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and I call my agent at the time. I'm freaking out.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell is going on. It's
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: got to be a mistake. I'm thinking like. it has
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to be a mistake.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: That rage is coming out, huh?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You know?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Who fucking wrote this? Goddamn.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Straight off the program and shit, I'm coming in knocking
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: down the door. And so, you know, I'm like, there's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: got to be a joke. There's got to be something like,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you know, because what I thought, like, steroids is needles.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: That's what I, you know, I'm like, from where I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: come from, We don't know about that type of shit.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: You know, we barely can afford food. Like, we ain't
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: buying no extra steroids. If we were buying something, it
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: was going to be food.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: And so I didn't know that life. So I always
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: thought like, well, this got to be wrong because I'm
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: not shooting nothing in my ass. And so later on,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I ended up finding out that there's stuff, stimulants and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: all kinds of shit and other stuff. tainted.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: It's a whole different world.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: It's a whole different world.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Any like nutritional, any supplement store you walk into.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And it's that one little dino, like just
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a long name. Right. And I'm like, I'm not a scientist.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: How am I supposed to know that this means steroids?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you just don't know. So anyway.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: You just knew it was helpful.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I just knew it got me an extra workout in.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's only all season.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: Free workout in. Hey, the caffeine's crazy in this one.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I can go all day.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: My bench has gone up 50 pounds.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like sitting there curling 200 inches. I'm like, this
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: is some good, whatever this is.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: You're running around the facility confused. People are like, come on, man.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: No, no, for real. And so I was suspended, and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: they gave me an option, which was really dope. And
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: so I appealed it because we wanted to figure out
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: what was wrong. We had to appeal it so we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just take it right away. But what I did
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: was I looked at the schedule and saw who we
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: had there, and we had a four-game stretch. And at
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the time, they wasn't that good. We had the Bengals,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the Browns. We had four teams that wasn't good. So
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the team was basically like, okay, we don't need you
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: these weeks. So I took my, I dropped the appeal
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: and I took my suspension. So I didn't even fight
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: it anymore because it was like, again, you're going to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: take the lie detector, you can do whatever you want.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: They're going to suspend you.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Even now, like it's the NSF certified, but they even say,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: even if an NSF certified product gets popped, it's still
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: on you.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And yeah, there's a whole bunch
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: of batches. I can go on for 30 minutes about this.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I've gone through the whole entire process.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: And so like, you know that- First of all, people
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: look at us anyway, they think we all on some shit.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, the regular person, you know, look at us,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: he got to be on whatever. Right. Because they can't understand, like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: some of us is just, we're just built differently. We're
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: working out six, seven days a week. Our bodies are
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: trained to do this. So the regular person is already like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and then me on top of that, out there playing
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and acting the way I was acting.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, three sacks in the first game.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: They was like, yeah, him? For sure.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, God damn, you almost get,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you get tagged with that no matter what. And I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: came back and I had more sacks when I, so
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't test even during the season. I didn't test positive.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: This was during the off season. And what I can,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: what I found out is stays in your system for
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: like a few weeks up to 30 days. It stays
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: in your system. So never tested it for anything during
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the season. But when I came back, I was so
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: pissed off. I like had a chip on my shoulder
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: at that point. I was cause I read all this
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: stuff and, Dude, it was on CNN, Al Jazeera. It
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: was everywhere.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: No shit.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Dude, it was so big at the time. I didn't
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: know who the hell Al Jazeera was. I'm like, why
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: is he talking shit? I don't even know. It was
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: like international news. Right. And it was so big. So
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: when I came back, I was really, really pissed off.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I was really mad. So I ended up having more
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: sacks when I came back than when I left. Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: And that really just pissed people off more. And the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: fact that I made the Pro Bowl and then was up, like,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: top three fitness and defensive player of the year, they
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: made that rule where you can't go to the postseason
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: because if you get suspended or have anything.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do, you can't be a pro bowler.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he still was a pro bowler.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I want to thank you for that because
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: 2019 I got suspended and it was my best year
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: of football I ever played. And I wasn't allowed to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: make the pro bowl.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: The Merriman rule. Yeah, literally.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Would have been four in a row.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Would have been four in a row. They did. Yeah,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: so they put that Merriman rule up. Again, this is when,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you know, Roger Goodell came out and was like, this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: is not, you know, this is not fair. There's tons
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: of guys.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: What prompted Goodell to do that for you? Why do
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: you think that?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that because I met with
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: him before and I was around him a lot.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: And the heat was high, like you were saying at
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: the time, with baseball, track and everything else. And you
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: were like at the, I mean, you were a star.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Like you were on commercials.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Like you were him.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: And that's, all of that really amplified all of it. Right.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: And so when you're already out there and you're visible
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and people see you, And then something like that happens.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: It's like magnified beyond belief. And so I was really
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: pissed off when I came back. I had to finish
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: up the season. And then they made that rule. And
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: then that's when Jason Taylor won that year. And Jason
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Taylor was like talking shit. He was like, you shouldn't win.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Like it to the media.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: And so they were at the playoffs. We were still,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: we were, went to the playoffs that year. So I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: sent him a lights out t-shirt, a bag of popcorn
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and told him to sit his ass on the couch.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I sent it to the locker room.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: No shit.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's fucking go. Yeah. Nice troll. So I made,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I made sure that he got it. The, the, uh,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: the team, um, uh, player personnel, they took it to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: him and made sure he got it. Cause I had
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a friend that knew him. I said, make sure we
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: get this. So I sent him a lights out t-shirt
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and a bag of popcorn. They said, make sure you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: watch us in the playoffs.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: What did he say? How did he respond?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Nothing. He came back and he was pissed. He was pissed.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you something that happened though. And again,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: that was much different than we ended up going to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. This was when it was in Hawaii. Me,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I'm the type, if you're going to say some things
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: like that, when I see you in person, keep that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: same energy with me. Yeah.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I just, I've played with you before. You know what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? I've played with you. I know exactly who
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: you are in the locker room. And it's like, I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: feel like you're the dude, hey, we can joke around
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: and have fun, but you know there's a couple buttons.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo, stay the fuck away from those buttons.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what happened was, so we got down there
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and I brought my family, my grandmother down there, I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: brought my whole entire family down there. I flew like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: 10 people out to that Pro Bowl that year. Um,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and so I've checked in and I put my bag
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: at the bills desk. I didn't even check in the room.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I put it by the bills desk and I went
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: to go look for Jason Taylor. And so, cause I'm like,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, if you go on
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: and he was, he was going, he wasn't even like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: he was campaigning for himself. He was like talking shit
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to me about me. And I'm like, okay, you know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But you got to see me at some point. Right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And so I didn't even check in my room and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: we stand at the, uh, Ilani, Ilani in Waukee. I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: put my bag in the bills desk. So I go
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: off and look for Jason Taylor.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: You had 10 people with you. Has anybody said, hey,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: probably done it?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: They're in the other hotel.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Did you tell them about your plans to go find
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Jason Taylor?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: No, so I had them to book me a room
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: because I was ready to get sent home.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I had a room at the other hotel. And this
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: is like in LT. And so I walked past and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo Neal was with me. And I didn't even talk
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: to them. I was like, I'll be right back. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I walked right by them. And so they was like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: where are you going? And so they started to follow me.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Because they knew something was up.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Because they knew something was up. And so Gene Upshaw,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Gene Upshaw, they got Gene up. And so Gene Upshaw
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: is the one that stopped me. And I was on
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the way. I ended up seeing Jason Taylor. And I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: was beelining towards him. So LT, Lorenzo Neal, and Gene
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Upshaw stopped me because I was going to go see him. Yeah. And- They,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: thank God, you know, just me being young and hotheaded.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: They stopped, you know, he sat me down and said, hey, Sean,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: you can't, you know, you can't do this. And I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: was like, well, if he, I just want him to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: say the same shit he said to the newspaper, to me. Right. Yeah.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: But what happens if he says the same shit to you? Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Lights out.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Because I had already planned to go home. I was
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: going to plan to get sent home anyway. And I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: was just, I had my family to book an extra hotel.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: They flew out there. I'm just enjoying my family for
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the week. I'm fine. Right.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Um, and so they sat down, they, they all sat
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: me down, Gene Upshaw, Lorenzo Neal and LT sat me
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: down and said, you know, we couldn't do this. Maybe
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you should go talk to him. Let us go talk
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: to him. So Gene Upshaw, I believe ended up going
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to talking to Jason Taylor and let him know like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: what really happened.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: That this wasn't intentional. Like I wasn't like just some
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: steroid head is out here taking shit to beat the system. Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: And so everything diffused, but I look back on it now,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what the hell were you? Like, why
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: would you? Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Have you, did you talk to Jason?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: No, I've seen him a couple of times, but I didn't,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: we never really, we never really talked. about that. You know,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: we never really talked about that. But yeah, I'm glad,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'm glad, dude, I'm glad.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But you guys got to practice. Like there is practice
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and you're both in the AFC. So obviously you're on
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: the same field together.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: So during the week, is it like, I'll stay on
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: this side, you stay on the other side?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: No, I think after Gene Epshaw talked to him, And.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: You knew, like, hey, this is the conversation that they had.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that they had. It was kind of water under
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: the bridge. I mean, we never became best friends or anything,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: but I think it was a better understanding of what happened.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: So I never really got a chance to, an opportunity
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: to talk to him about that.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Because you imagine if you get suspended for steroids and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: then you go to the Pro Bowl and you fail.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: beat the shit out of Jason Taylor or you fight him,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you would essentially prove everybody right. Like you would never
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: be able to get out of that.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Not only is he a stairway, he's a thug.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm serious. I'm glad, like I said, I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: had some older guys that were, you know, kind of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: leaving the right, like LT and Lorenzo. I can thank
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: them so much for everything they've done, but mainly stuff
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: like that, right? Because they didn't have to, but they
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: knew me well enough to know When I beeline passed him,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: then something was going to happen. Something was going down.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: And they followed me. I think Low Neal might have acted.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, Low Neal's a champion wrestler, right? Oh,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: for real? Oh, yeah. Low Neal's a top-end wrestler. And
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: so he grabbed me and was like, you can't physically.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: It was like, you can't do this. So it was
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: really him, LT, and then Gene Upshaw.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Was there ever a time in practice? Listen, fighting in practice,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: it happens all the time. Obviously, they had to know
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: when you beeline past that you're going to do something.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: What made them know that if you walk past them,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you're up to something?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I was good for a fight or two every training camp.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Had to. Book it, yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Book it.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Prison rules. Essentially, someone wants to try you.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, all right. Yeah, it was one of those things.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: And then, you know how it is. You just see
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: the same guy every day, so don't take much at
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: that point. Like an extra shove right after the play.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Grabbing the jerseys, you try to walk away, and they're
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: still holding on to it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't think about a spot.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we would have.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: We would have definitely fought.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: But, dude.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Sitting here right now, too.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: It happens all the time. I'm thinking, yeah, I mean,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: maybe with one or two guys. Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: There was always.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. But I'll say this, man.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Listen, I see your neck, and I realize I would
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: have been in a bit of a situation, but I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: would have swung. I want you to know that.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: No, for sure, dude.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I would have been back down the line.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I would have had more respect if you did swing
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: back on me in the first place.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I would have swung first.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And I would have said to myself, God damn, that's
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: a big-ass cat.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: But, you know, I played with some dogs, like Chris
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Dillman and those guys, dude. Nick Harwick. I played with
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: some guys.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Harwick.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Center, right? Yeah, center.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Gunned up.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Head to toe.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All of those guys were badasses, dude. So we
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: battled all the time. But, man, I have so much
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: respect for them guys, for real.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: What about when you get off the field? Let's say
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: you get in a big fist fight. How are you
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: handling yourself after that? Do you need to calm down?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Or is it, hey, what's on the field stays on
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: the field?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't really fight much off the field. Yeah?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: No. No, never.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I would have been on the right side of defense
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: with him. Because I would have just got him to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: do it. Like, hey, you want more of this shit?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: There's more than I can find, Sean.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Hey, good shit. Just talking shit, knowing we got the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: junkyard dog ready to go.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: You talk about fighting people. You've swung at me in
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: a game and in practice.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I've never swung at you in practice.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: That walkthrough practice we had.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're in a walkthrough practice and he's just
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: running me to the sideline in a walkthrough practice.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It's a jog through. But I had to let Willie know. Hey,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: sometimes you're going to get on the edge. This is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: going to happen to you. He's a stand-up linebacker.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: You just drove him off the screen? What's that?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: You just drove him off the screen. It was a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: jog-through type situation.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Four pieces of game. We're all out.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: We're not playing.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: So we're just going through a walkthrough.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: And they did.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: A shift where the mic comes down.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Were you playing with them?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: We're on the same team.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: No I'm just saying like were you playing around with him.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah he was just trying to put me he
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: was just trying to let me know like okay you
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: don't belong on the.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Edge yeah you don't belong you're not setting an edge
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: for anybody and I was like I want to show
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Will like when you play down here this is what
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: happens and we you were kind of mad for a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: couple days I know I wasn't bro man you were
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: kind of acting like a bitch remember that dude who
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: okay you brought up a lot of teammates who's your
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: favorite teammate of all time.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Man we had man we had such a a close
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: group you know like Like me and Dee Sproul, like
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of us, we still talk almost every day.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I was just talking to Dee Sproul as
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I was walking up to you guys. Oh, that's awesome, yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: But Low Neal, LT, Tone's probably my boy, Antonio Gates. Phil, dude. Like,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I love Phil to death. Right. Dude, I love everything
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: about Phil. The thing is, I hated him when he
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: was at NC State because I was at Maryland.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: And dude, I hated his guts, bro. Like every time
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I saw, like I said, I want to do something
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: to him every time I saw him. Because you see
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: him on the film and he just, at the time
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: when you're watching the film we watch, there's no sound, right?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: You don't hear the commentary. It's got the two, the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: angle and the two wide angle. And you just see
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: him doing that.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: He's just chirping.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna kick
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: his ass, right? And every time, he never beat us
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: when he was at NC State, merely. Never beat us
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: not one time. And it was his last play his
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: senior year. It was my sophomore year. And I hit
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Phil in the back of the end zone. It's at
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: NC State. And we beat them in that game. And
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I hit him in the back of the end zone,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and I kind of push up off of him, right?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: As I'm walking away, he ankle locks me. Grabs my
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: ankle and starts to twist.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Philip.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Grabs my ankle and start to twist it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Data rolled you.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: A full-on ankle lock, bro. Like, my ankle was almost like.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe it that he was somebody, a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: quarterback was doing this. There's a picture of him somewhere,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: me and him standing up in the back of the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: end zone about to square off and fight. And he
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: walked right up on me. He was about to, we
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: were about to fight in the back of the end zone.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: And at that moment, man, he got my respect. I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: was like, man, this dude is tough.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: No shit. This is when y'all in college.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: This is in college. There it is. Yeah, there it is.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Philip Rivers is like a notorious shit talker that never
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: curses ever.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable because at that time, And his teammates at
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: NC State loved him. And I didn't know, I was like,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: he's an asshole. You know, like he's always talking. And
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: when I got there my rookie year and you got
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: a chance to be around him and you saw that
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: competitive spirit and it was nonstop. It wasn't even on
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the field anymore. It was dominoes. It was cards. It was,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: he'll walk by you in the gym and, you know,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: we're playing, let's call it the Seattle Seahawks or whatever.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: And Walter Jones, you know, all pro, Walter Jones is there.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: And I got the, you know, just during the season,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I got the 120s on the dumbbells. I'm cranking them
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: out for 10. He'll walk by me like, you know,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: you got Walter Jones. Those 120s not going to do nothing, right?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: This is him, just nonstop.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Constantly talking.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Just, bro, just nonstop. And I go and I grab
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: the 130s. Now I'm pissed off, you know? And so
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: it was with him. And I'm glad that everybody's getting
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to see him because he's got the audio now.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Now he's like praised for, but there was a time
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: where Phillip was seriously hated. He was like the Jay,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: like he was really looped in with Jay Cutler a
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: lot and this dude's asshole and he talks trash. They
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: had pictures and videos of him talking trash. We were
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: playing a coach and a champion in playoffs. So he
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: had this thing about him. People were just like, oh,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: this dude's a jerk. And he wasn't at all. And
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, I wish you got a chance
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to know him. Yeah. Because he's not being serious at all.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's the type, man, if you hit him,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: he'll tap you on the head. Like, hey, you almost
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: got me. Next time you got to.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: And you're like, why are you talking? Right. Why are
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: you talking so much? God. But you start to, over time,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: you just start to appreciate his competitive. For sure, the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: most competitive player I've ever played with.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Something about these old school quarterbacks just seem like they're
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: like great, like, Shit talkers, pranking. We had Peyton Manning on.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: He was talking about the pranks he would do. Tom Brady,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I've heard, done a lot of pranks. Was he a
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: big prank guy at all?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, he never stopped playing. He was the biggest
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: kid that you can ever imagine. Yeah. So I used
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: to break down the huddle before every game. You know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: kind of, let's get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: And so Phillips would start imitating me. Everything that I do.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: And he can walk like me. It's the craziest thing ever, bro.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: He's a big kid.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: And so he's... He's like the kid you got to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: watch as you stay around because they'll repeat. They'll mock you, yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: They're going to mock you, right? And so he's had
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: these things, the Freestyle Fridays. Yeah. Freestyle Fridays. And so
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: we would have whatever the hottest song at that time
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: on the radio, we would play it all the time
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: in the locker room. And again, you got to watch
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Phillip because he would listen. He watches and listens to everything,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: even if he's not saying that he's watching you. It's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: like a comedian is waiting to bust jokes on you
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: that he's just waiting and he watches everything you do.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: And so whatever the hottest radio show was on us,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: we were in a team meeting room, in a defensive
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: team meeting room. And we're sitting there watching the film
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: and we hear somebody coming down the hallway, but they're rapping.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Who's that? They're loud. We got up. It's like, what
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: about it doing this? Phillip. rapping to whatever the hottest
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: track was on the radio. I mean, straight bars.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Just staying current.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Staying relevant.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: And it was almost like one of these things where
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: he just picked up on everything you did. And he
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: would rap whatever the latest song was.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Was Drew Brees rapping?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: No, dude. Drew was always locked in, bro. Just really focused.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: going straight to whatever he's doing. Like he didn't really
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: joke around a whole lot, but it was cool to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: see that because when I walked in the locker room,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you got Drew Brees as a starter. He got Phillip Rivers,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: as the backup. Crazy. Which is nuts. Nuts, bro.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: And then you also, in Buffalo, who was it? Fitz Magic?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yep, Fitzy. Fitzy was the quarterback.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Just three very unique personalities.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I heard this rumor about Fitz that he would get
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeti coolers for his offensive linemen every single year with
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: his face on it. Did that hold true in Buffalo?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think so.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: He was on the Titans, I think, the year before
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: I got there, and everybody had a Yeti cooler, like
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the big one, with a silhouette of his face and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: beard all on that thing.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At the time, I was single, so I was
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: looking at girls and stuff on social media.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: And so sometime I would be looking at stuff on
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: social media and I would have my phone down. He
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: would come to my locker every day and just look.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: He's like, who do you got?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Who do we got today? Who do we got out
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: there today? Dog, that is so funny.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I played with some great dudes, man. And he's definitely
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: one of them. He's up there for sure.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: How was the transition going from L.A.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: To Buffalo?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, go ahead.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I thought you were transitioning out of NFL, but go ahead.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: No, yeah. Transitioning going from L.A., Where you were at
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: the impact you made in LA and then going out
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: to Buffalo.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Well, so I got waved by the Chargers. I had
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: so many injuries back to back. You were talking about
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: the compensation thing. Like my Achilles were partially torn and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it kept tearing a little bit more and a little
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: bit more at a time until it eventually popped. But
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: at the time I was compensated. I had a calf,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: a hip, a knee. It was just constant and I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: just couldn't stay healthy. So finally they just, they had
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: to stop the bleeding and they waved me and then
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: When you get waived at the time, the team with
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: the worst record gets first dibs. And at the time,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: like Buffalo's 0-6, I think. 0-6 or 0-7.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Where's your mental at when you get waived? Like all that,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: you can't stay healthy. Obviously you get in the tank.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: It's an up and down ride. Like where were you
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: at mentally?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I was shocked and it didn't really hit me until
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I left the building. And so I remember going to,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, coaches were crying. I mean, Pags, Pagano, I mean, Minoski,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: everybody was just like, it was like a dark cloud
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: that day because I don't think anybody saw me ever
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: leaving the Chargers. But I just had, I had so
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: many injuries at that time. They had, I couldn't stay healthy.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And so, I mean, even when I was talking to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: the dean and owner, it was just, it was a sad,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: it was a very sad day in that building. And,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was like Norv, it was bad.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: It was like, it was a really bad day. And
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: so I left. And then when I walked out the building,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: that's when it hit me. Because right then, you got
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: somebody to come up and tell you, you got to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: go see the owner, you go see the coaches. So
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you're talking to everybody, but you're not getting the opportunity
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to take all of that in yet. And it didn't
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: hit me until I walked out the building, I got
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: in the car, and it was like... I didn't cry, man,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: but I sat there like, man, is this real? Did
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I just get cut? Because I've never been cut for
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: anything in my life. And so I think for me...
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you know i hate what people say it's it's humbling
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: right because you it wasn't like i wasn't humble you
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: just didn't see that happening to you you know i
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: mean like you know that people pass away and that's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: part of life but you don't feel that till there's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: somebody really really close to you yeah right you know
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things where i was like you've
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: seen people get cut all the time you know i
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: think that i did a year before or around that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: time like lt um Darren Sproles. It was guys, Michael Turner,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: who left. So you knew it was guys that were
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: first-round draft picks, and so it was leaving. So I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: knew at one point it was going to happen. It
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: was just how and when it happened, I was shocked.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: And so I got home, and I would say not
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: even a day or two, a couple days went by,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: and I think that year, me and Randy Moss, because
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: he was waived too, me and Randy Moss had the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: most teams that would claim us off of waivers. because
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: that normally you go through the waiver wire and then
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: you can pick and choose what team. Then you're a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: real free agent. And I think that year me and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Randy Moss had tied for like four to six teams
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: that picked us up on the waivers, but Buffalo had
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: the worst record. And so Buddy Nix, who was behind
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: AJ Smith, a general manager in San Diego, he was
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: now the general manager in Buffalo. So I remember Buddy
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Nix called me and he was like, you know, Sean, um,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: We can really use you out here in Buffalo. And,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, we talked for like five minutes. I said, look, buddy,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I love you to death, man, but I'm not coming
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: out there. I'm not going. And it wasn't because of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the city of Buffalo. They were 0-6. They basically knocked
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: out of the playoffs in the middle of the season, right?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Not before the middle of the season. They were pretty
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: much done.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: And I said, buddy, look, you know, I love you
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: to death, man, but let me go into a team
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: that may go to the playoffs, right? And then after
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the season, you got my word. I'll come. You'll be
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the first. Vince and I'll take after the season. And
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: he said, no, we want you out here now. And,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: you know, we think you help us out in the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: locker room. And I know you can bring. I said, buddy,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I hear you, but I'm not coming. I hung up.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I hung up the phone.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: On a GM.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, on a GM.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: How quick does he call back?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes. 15, 20 minutes. And so he called back 15,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes. He said, Sean, I just want to let
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you know we put in your contract to the NFL.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I said, buddy, I don't care what y'all are doing.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not coming. So there it is. I hung up again.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Called back right back and said, well, if you don't come,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: it's $ 25, 000 a day. Fine. I said, well, when y'all
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: sending that plane?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: No fucking doubt. Got to get on there right away.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: So this was like a Monday or Tuesday. I forgot
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: it was Monday or Tuesday, but they were literally sending
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the plane the next day. And I said, hey, buddy.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: And then Russell Brandon was there, too, who was the president,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: I believe, at the time. And I said, guys, just
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: get me to Thursday. Can you send a plane on Thursday?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving San Diego to come to Buffalo. I need
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: some time to pack and all this other stuff. So
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I got on the plane, and I looked at the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: weather in New York, but I didn't look at the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: weather in Buffalo, which is totally different weather. So I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: got on a sweatshirt, some basketball shorts, some flip-flops, On
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: the plane, I got my suitcase and all that. And
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: so I got there and I'm landing. Dude, there's a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: full-on blizzard. There's a full-on blizzard.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Toes frozen when you get off that plane.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, it's full-on blizzard outside. And I remember
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: stepping off the plane and then Buddy and then Russell
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Brand and these guys, they were at the end of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: the runway. I couldn't see them. That's how bad the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: weather was. I couldn't see them. My God.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: What have I gotten myself into?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Dude, I looked up into the sky. I was like, man,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I go to church sometimes. I go do a lot
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: of charity. I started thinking, I was like, man, what
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: did I do? Why? What did I do? And I
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: was dreading it, man, not because it's really the– it
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't just like the city and the weather. They just
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: didn't have it. So you're playing for what?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: They're not going to the playoffs, right? But, dude, it was– honestly,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I'll say it was the best thing that ever happened
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: to me in my career. Because I got out there, man,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: you got a chance to see that fan base and
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: like those people. And I was just out there this
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: past Sunday with them. Dude, I was like, man, you,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I played, you know, you feel like you were playing
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: for like family, you know, second cousin or, you know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: extended for like, you know, I got my mom watching
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: the game or, you know, you got family at the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: game so you can't disappoint them. So I had that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: feeling with them. Like I couldn't disappoint these people because
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: of the love that they had for their team. Dude,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: you could be the second or third string kicker, and
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: you would have manned. Really? You get what I'm saying?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: That's all there is out there.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Best tailgates ever?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: It's something unlike anything. And I know a lot of
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: people see the table jumping and all that other stuff,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: which is how they got on the map in a
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: big way because of social media and everything else. But, dude, honestly,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: I remember I was in a restaurant in Chippewa downtown,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and people just walking by me were like, yo, what's up, Lights?
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: And kept walking. No pictures, no nothing. And it was
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, there was a cousin that I haven't
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: seen in a while.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, it's something I like, man. It's a very,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: very special place. I wish all these guys that play
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: in front of not-so-great fan bases or ones that are
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: not really homegrown, I wish they'd get a chance to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: experience something like that. It's different.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: I had myself a little entanglement with the Bills Mafia
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: one time. It was right after my suspension. We played
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: the Bills. The game was like 13-10. And Shaq Lawson,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: who was like a backup, was like, talk shit. And
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: so I tweeted at him, put my phone down, like
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: an hour later, I had like 200 responses, just Bill's
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: people murdering me. Just, I didn't think he had Wi-Fi
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: up there. They fucking got after me. I will never
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: get an entanglement with them ever again. Dude, it's so passionate.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: It's unreal, man. And I think that for them, there's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of pride in like that group. You feel
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: like you're at a college game. Like when I was
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: there Sunday, dude, you don't feel like, all the glitz
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: and glamor of the pro games. Like you feel like
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: you're at some school in the South, right? You know
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like tailgating and all this other, like
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: it's just a different kind of community.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a college football spirit out there.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: How big of a difference was it between Buffalo and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: San Diego as far as the fans went?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I think, well, so much to do in San Diego.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Like for you to take three hours of your day
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: or four hours to go to a game. Mm-hmm. It
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: was a lot because you got the nice weather, you
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: got food, you got beaches and everything.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want. I think the difference
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: is with us is that we were so good. We
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: had so many stars on the team from LT and
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Phillip and Gates and all these guys that people came
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: because of the winning.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Right. Is this year going to be the year? Yeah.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: And so people came there and the queue was rocking, dude.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had that place ridiculously, like just crazy.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: And I still, even looking at it now, I get
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: chills because I was always the last one to come
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: out the tunnel every game. And I did that because
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: of Ray Lewis. So My sophomore year in high school,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: my coach, my high school coaches, remember I was living
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: with them at the time. They said, hey, you want
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: to see a linebacker play? And I'm not, I'm watching football,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't watching just yet. You know, it wasn't like.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were digesting the game.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And so they scraped up some money and
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: they took me to a Ravens game. This was in 2000. 2000, yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: We sat all the way up there near the light bulbs.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: We had no money, too. So we were like six
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: seats up. I could turn around, dude, and start changing
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: light bulbs and shit. It was the one, you're so
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: high up there where you look over, your stomach drops. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: We were up there.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were up there. And so they introduced everybody.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: They had all these guys, Sharper and Goose and Sam
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Adams and Boulware. They had Ed. I mean, it was stacked.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Chris McAllister, they had that team that would only allow, what,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: 11 points a game or 10 points, something crazy, right?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Everybody comes out, and the people are loud, and then
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: it just gets silent. A big pause. And the music dropped.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: It was a Nelly. It's getting. So Ray came out.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: The fireworks and smoke. And so when I was growing up, man,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I used to laugh at people that used to pass
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: out of concerts.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: You know, a Prince or a Michael Jackson concert. I'm like,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: look at this dumb ass, like dumb ass. He's just
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: a person.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you're just a human, you're a human being. Like,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: why are you acting like that towards another human being?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I always thought it was dumb. Dude, until I saw
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis. And so it came out there and it
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: was quiet and they introduced everybody. It was already loud,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: but it just got this pause. And then it just,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: the place went crazy. And I didn't know what was happening. Fireworks, smoke.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: And then they was playing up. Nelly is getting hot
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: in here. And he came out and was doing it.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: And I thought I was going to pass out. Bro,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to pass out.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Just seeing this small little speck on the floor. It
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: was so high up.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: It was so high. If it wasn't for that jumbotron,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I would have thought ants were down there moonwalking. I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: would have had no clue. But I saw it and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I looked at my coaches and I was like, man,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make people feel like how I just felt.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: And so when I got to the charges, there was
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: a guy there who was six or seven years in.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Quincy Scott, I think his name was, something like that.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And he was the last one that was coming out.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: And I looked at him and said, I'm coming out
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: last from now on.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: As a rookie.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: As a rookie. Okay.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: As a rookie.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And so I said, all right, you got it.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: And that's where the whole thing started. But, yeah, you know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: for me, I just– I was like, man, that shit,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: it did something to me that day. And I never,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: you know, when stuff happened to you as a kid,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: whether it's good trauma or bad trauma, you remember that.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Poor memory.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: And I remember that at that time. And I was like,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I looked at my coaches. I said, I'm going to
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: make people feel like this one day. And that was it.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: That's how I started. I actually come out last.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Doc, that is awesome. How sick is that, bro? To
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: like look back on your career and know you got
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: to accomplish things that a rare group of people get
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the cool thing about it too, man, it's
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: like even now, like when I go back to Buffalo
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: and I've been retired, I'm almost, well, I've retired in
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: 13-ish year. And the game has changed, it's evolved and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And when I came out, like
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: social media was just starting to come around, right? So
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you see all these guys now, they got like big
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: social media followers. You think now that I had 20
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: million back then at that time.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Just that big. Yeah.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was huge, man. It was a lot
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: of shit.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: How hard was it to face your mortality in the NFL?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: When you started to just not be able to put
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: it together anymore in Buffalo, the injuries, whatever it is,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: how hard was it to wrap your arms around, hey,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: this could be coming to an end for me?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: It was difficult because I played the game to be
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: the best at what I do, and once I realized
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I couldn't be the best anymore, it was hard, that part.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: But also, too, my career was cut short that I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to be named one of the best that
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: ever did it in my position. Right. No Hall of Fame. No,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: none of that stuff because I was I got hurt.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I was injured.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: And everything was just kind of derailed. So you had
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if you call it like resentment.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: What's the right word? Like you.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Just kind of feel jaded.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Jaded.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: You feel you feel that's good. So you feel jaded
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: because you knew it on the trajectory where you were going.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Even the suspense stuff. Like, people talk about the suspense, like, oh,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: he fell off, what are you forgetting? Like, I also
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: was an All-Pro the following year. All-Pro the following year.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: I was also up there, I think, top five or
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: top seven for the defensive player of the year again.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: You know, so I think that when people see it, like,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: the longevity, but 07 is when I got hurt. I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: tore my PCL and LCL and did everything, and Achilles went, like,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: a year or so after that from the compensation. But yeah,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: I just, I felt like, man, I was like, damn,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to get a chance to get a jacket,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm never going to get a chance to be
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: known as the best. Because that's all I wanted. I
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to be known as the best at what I did.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: You went to championships. Those are team things that you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: can't control. But when you walk away from the game,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: you want to be known as one of the best
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: that ever did. I knew that I wasn't going to
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: be able to do that anymore. That was the hardest
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: thing to accept.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Knowing that I was going to walk away and I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: was not going to have another opportunity to go back
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: out there and finish that.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's tough, man. Yeah.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: It's always hard when you figure out the dream's over. Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: You've been planning your whole life and you're like, man,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: this is really the part that everybody talks about. Like
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: eventually you can't do it anymore. It just is a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: shitty feeling. When you realize the end is near or
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: you know you're going to retire, how quickly were you
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: jumping into MMA, these entrepreneurial things?
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when did that start?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: So in the mid-2000s, I grew up in Maryland and D.C.,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: so I had my family members that were professional boxers.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: My uncles were all professional boxers, so I kind of
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: grew up boxing anyway. And if I didn't play football,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I was 100% going to fight. That was like the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: thing that I was going to do. You couldn't tell
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: me anything different or that or WWE.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: It was going to be- Every listener probably picked that
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: up along the same line.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were probably, yeah, yeah. And so, you know,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to box or going to WWE, which
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I ended up doing and working with the WWE. But
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I ended up, you know, picking football. So one day
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: I was in the gym in Jay Glazer's gym.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: You know, from Fox Sports. Yeah. And I was hitting
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: the mitts and he said like, damn, you can, you
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: can box. Yeah. You know, my uncle's boxers, not box
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit or whatever. Have you ever tried MMA?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no. He said, well, I think
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: it can help you in football with your hands and coordination, coordination,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: being able to open your hips and get around the tackles. And,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I said, shit, if it'll help me in football,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: sign me up. I'm in. Right. So he, uh, he
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: sent me an address, uh, off of La Brea in LA.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: And the next day I show up. And so I
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: walk in the gym and, and, uh, Jay Glazer is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: here and Randy Gator is right here. So Randy was
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: still competing, fighting at the time. And so in my head,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at Jay Glazer, I'm like, no, I'm not
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: fighting Randy Gator today. I just want you to know
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: that's not where I came. You know, cause you're looking
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: at like one of the most badass.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: In the 2000s too.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: In the 2000s too. Like you, like Randy was the,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: was the real deal.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Um, I think he actually had 40 or 41 and
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: just won a championship. He was like the oldest champion
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: ever at the time or something like that. Um, And
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: so I went and I worked what I'm doing. We
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: were pummeling and working on hands and just kind of
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: doing movement where I was gassed. Like I was just,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: we didn't even start the workout yet. And I was
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: completely gassed. And when this happened, I realized it was something.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: He just totally kicked my ass. And he was like,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: not purposely, but he was throwing me around because he
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: was using my leverage and body. And I couldn't understand
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: like how he was able to do this. So I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: was at that point, I became intrigued. And I'm like,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: how does somebody at, you know, 50 pounds less than
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: I am able to just kind of move my body
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: and toss me around like this? I was just intrigued.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Or he'll get me in a certain spot and I
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: just couldn't get up. He just keep taking me down.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't get it. So I text him. I
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: got his number. I text him. Dude, are you in tomorrow?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: What time? So I'll get done with my football workouts
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: and I'll drive up to L.A. You know, because we
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: had that workout bonus. So I had to go get
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: a workout.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Got to get that one.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Got to get it, right? And worked out in San
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Diego and I would drive back to LA to, to
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: go and work, work out with Randy. So I was,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I was going like three to two, three days a
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: week at this time. And so finally I just started
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: every off season, started working with him and started working
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: with Chuck Liddell and started being around Tito Ortiz and
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: all these guys in the mid 2000s. Yeah. Even like
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: when Tyron Woodley was coming in and he just really
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: was getting his career going UFC, he was in the
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: gym with us. Um, and there was a couple other guys, dude,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: he was badass. Like Clay Matthews, really, really good. Um,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: I think it might've seen, um, um, Brian Cushing, you know,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Cushing was doing stuff that time.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's into the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Yes. I think he's like a brown belt or something
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: like that. I was trying to get Cush to fight
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: in front of the league.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a psycho too.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I love Cush, man. New Jersey, bro.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Dude, the video of him with his helmet off going
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: right to the offensive line for the Browns face.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: And just splitting his nose.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a psycho, man. I love push.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Psycho.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: And so I just train every offseason. So I already
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: kind of knew when I retired, I already knew what
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do. And plus, my rookie year, when
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I first got my check, I wanted to go buy
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: all the trademarks and rights of Lights Out. That's my
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: first thing I did. When you say big purchase, it
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: was the cars, but the other purchase I did.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Is I- The big brain purchase.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the big brain purchase was, it was a company
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: called PJ Salvage. It was a big pajama company in Irvine, California.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I reached out to them, my friend of mine who
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: was an IP attorney. And I said, dude, I want
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: to go and get lights out. And so I ended
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: up buying lights out, I think for like 150 grand
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: or some 140 grand at that time. And- I still
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know what I wanted to do yet, but I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: knew I wanted to own it and then figure it out.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: So I bought it at that time. And then, so
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: when I retired, I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: And I started to even train more with MMA guys.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: And I was also in talk with Bellator. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: I was in talk with Bellator. This was like around 2014, 15,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: something like that. Somewhere around that area. It was like
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: three or four years after I retired that I was
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: going to fight. But at that time, I was ahead
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: of my time because of what I was asking for money-wise.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: They looked at me like I was crazy. And now
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: they're kind of seeing what the Jake Pauls of the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: world and former athletes like Le'Veon Bell is fighting now.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Frank Gore. All these guys are getting into it. But
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I was just ahead of my time for the money
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: I was asking. Now, if Sean, former linebacker for the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Chargers and Bills, here. Right.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: No-brainer.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: There was no-brainer. I just think at that time, they
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: just wasn't ready to pay what I was asking for.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: And then I started to work a lot with the WWE.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: So I was at the network, WWE Network, when it launched.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I was broadcasting at WrestleMania's, Monday Night Raw's, and SmackDown's,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: working with them. And then I was at NFL Network
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: or something like that at the time. I was doing
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: a broadcast. But what was going to happen was I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: was going to train at the Performance Center with WWE
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: down in Orlando. So I was playing half the time
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: with NFL Network, and I would go train with the
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: guys in NXT. because that was going to be my
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: first show. And they were trying to fast track me
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: to get me there. And the thing was, it came
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: up why I never really signed. One of the biggest
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: reasons is that they wanted to own part of Lights Out.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Because what people didn't know is like a lot of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the WWE, they make their talent.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: They own those names.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: So they own their IPs.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: And they wanted a piece of yours. And that's why
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it didn't work out?
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was probably the main reason. Otherwise... they had
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of company stuff going on. They, they launched
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: a WWE network at the time and it wasn't doing well.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: And so they ended up going to Peacock, but they're
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: cut like 10% of the entire staff across the company.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: So give me a big contract. Wasn't at the, at
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: the top anymore at that time. And so, but I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: was still, were you looking to be like a WWE superstar? Yeah.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like that would be, I mean, it's kind of,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: it's the perfect character. I, I, so what I did
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: was what kind of kicked it off. They had a
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: show in San Diego. I think it was one night
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: stand on pay-per-view. And I was talking to Paul, Triple H.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: And he was like, man, we're coming to San Diego.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: And we're throwing some ideas back and forth. And I
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what? Shit, I'm down. Let's do it.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: And they brought me out to stand. And CM Punk
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: had actually handed me a bamboo stick. And I hit
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Chavez or Chavo one of the times or whatever. So
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: that kicked it off because it was a crazy reaction
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: from the crowd.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: And so at the time, like Paul and Triple H
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: and everybody from WWE was like, yeah, we got, we
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: got something, you know, we got something.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: And so we started to just talk and try to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: figure it out. And it just didn't happen because of
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: the time. I think they were going through a lot
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: of company stuff too. And I wasn't about to give
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Lights Out to nobody because I built that already.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: What were you looking at? Obviously you're doing a couple
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: of things with Lights Out now.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Like I see the Lights Out TV streaming service. Yeah.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: I know you're in kind of with the bills too, right?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: You're streaming the East West Shrine game.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's massive.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what happened was when I got– because I
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: got straight into TV. I was on the NFL Network
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: broadcast for a couple years, ESPN, Fox Sports. And those
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: panels are hard because there's only like four people. Right, right.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: So you got to think, dude. Like take a guy
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: like J.J. Watt who is known– everybody, you know, known, loved,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: big following, and now he's Hall of Fame guy and
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: now he's retiring. It's like as a player, right, that
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: next guy up, They're looking to draft somebody and then
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: get you up out of there. And so I was
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: fortunate because I was at the launch of all these
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: networks and shows and stuff like that. So I seen
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: it created. So I ended up launching my MMA league,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Lights Out Extreme Fighting, in 2019. So ESPN, UFC just
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: left Fox Sports and went over to ESPN. And so
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: at the time I was shooting at Fox Sports. And
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: so I got up one day and I created a
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: marketing deck. I had somebody on the team put a
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: four-page marketing deck together And I think I was talking
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: to Eric Shanks, the president of Fox Sports. It was
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: somebody there, Jamie Herowitz. It was one of the guys
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: I started a conversation with. And I said, hey, are
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: you guys looking to get back in MMA because you
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: just lost the UFC? And he was like, Sean, in fact,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: we are. We're looking at a couple opportunities. I said, hey,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: I'm launching my MMA organization. And they said, really? I said, yeah.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: And I put down the marketing deck on the desk.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: And I left out. And I just got off. I
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: think Colin Kyle was on The Herd Show that day.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: I go down to the garage. Before I open my
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: car door, my phone rings. And they said, are you
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: still here? And I said, yeah. I said, could you
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: come back up?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Got to be a great feeling.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: It was unreal because when you're talking to, like, Shanks
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: or the president of Fox Sports or any one of
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: the execs, you're not expecting them to get back to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: you no time soon. And I wasn't. I was like,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: just to let you know, I'm launching my MMA league.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Here it is called Lights Out Extreme Fighting. Here it is. So, yeah.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I go downstairs, my phone rings, and I know the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Fox lot number, so I know, oh, damn, somebody's calling
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: me from Fox. So I went back upstairs. They sent
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: me to FS1 first, and I pitched them the idea,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: told them what I wanted to do at FS1. They
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: said we love it, and then they sent me to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: the regionals. So we originally started out on Fox Sports
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: West and Prime Ticket. That was my first deal that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I negotiated, TV rights. They didn't pay us. They gave
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: us a two-hour time slot. And I negotiated commercial time.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: So I sold sponsorship and commercials. So every hour you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: get about 16 minutes worth of commercials. And so I negotiated,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: gave Fox. The Fox got their eight minutes. We got
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: our eight minutes every hour. So I got 16 minutes
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: worth of commercials plus all those sponsors. So I literally
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: launched this company with sponsors and Fox Sports. And then
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: we went to like 10 other regions in the country.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: And then the rest was kind of history.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: No shit. It was your brainchild the whole entire time.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: That is fucking awesome.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: What's the thought process of, like, I guess explain the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: market of, like, getting in a world where it feels
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: like the UFC is the premier league for fighting.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that every major league needs a
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: minor league anyway. Everyone. You know, I think everyone. In UFC,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: they got, you know, tons of leagues they pull talent from.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: But what you hope to have, like, the best talent
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: in the world so the talent from you keep going there.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Because it's going to make more and more guys go.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: And so when we first launched, I think the idea
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: to everybody else, like, oh, you can't be big because
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: UFC's there. It's like, no, that's the opposite. First of all,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: if you're a real feeder, if UFC is looking at
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: you and they're saying, oh, they got some killers down there.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: They got some dogs. We can go pull our talent.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: We know they're going to be able to compete against
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: the guys we have or the guys we match them
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: up against.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Because they already been through the ringer when they come
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: to Lights Out Extreme Fighting. So... What happened was I
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: started looking around, man, and looking at all sports streaming platforms.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: I've been at Fox, been at WWE Network, been at ESPN,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: all these places. And I was like, I know this broadcasting, TV,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: and streaming. And I had a lot of relationships in
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: the TV business, including streaming. Because a lot of them,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: like CBS was starting, CBS Sports Network streaming. It was
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: kind of pivoting. So I knew a lot of Paramount
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: and Fox and everyone else. So my production actually, when
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: I first started out, was all like former Fox Sports producers, directors,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: camera guys. So I had a group, like a nice,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: so my production, we looked like we'd been around for
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: a decade.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Because we had the eyeballs of, because I understood TV
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: and production. So I started looking around like, shit, nobody
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: out here is really doing all sports, like free ad
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: supported streaming service. And so a couple of good friends
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: of mine had launched Pluto, had founded and launched Pluto,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: the streaming service. Yep. So I actually was around them
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: a lot. And so I was picking up on things
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: and watched the growth to them and then watched the
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: sale to Paramount. So I was like, nobody really focused
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: in on sports and didn't make it free as supported.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: So I knew all the players in the business. So
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I started calling people. I said, hey, how long you
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: got there? You ready to leave? Hey, I got two
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: months of my contract. Call me when you're done. And
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: so I started putting everything in place. And so right now,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Lights Out Sports TV, we're on every major smart TV
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: in the world. iOS, Android. We got 30 different fast
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: channels there, like Motocross, Motorsports. TNA Wrestling, you saw, was
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: on there, too. I did a stunt with them. Chess, Poker,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Poker Go, World Poker Tour is on there. And then
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: we got 300 different sports movies and documentaries there. But
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: it's all sports. No shit. Yeah, 16 different live sports.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: And then the big one that I just got was
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: the East-West Shrine Bowl practices. So NFL Network still has
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: the game for right now. I think it's the last
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: year on the contract. So I don't know what's going
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: to happen after that. But I made up the practice week.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: So they never really focused in on the practices.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: So just like the Senior Bowl, the Reese's Senior Bowl,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: like when you can watch practice unfold throughout the week.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: That week leading up to the game is going to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: be on Lights Out Sports. Yep.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: And that's like the most important part of the week.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: The game is kind of just cheering on top.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: This is why I really did this, man. I know sports, right?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to sit up here and try
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: to get in a, big picture movies or shoot a
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: lot of original content stuff outside of sports. Like when
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: it comes to sports, as you just said, you start
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: to think like, why the hell nobody ever done this?
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: All these guys are competing to improve their draft stock
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: or to get drafted. And you got GMs there during
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the week. You got NFL scouts, coaches, owners. Sometime we'll
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: pop into these things. I was like, this is the show.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: And so I'm producing the whole week. My production company,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: we're going in there. And I'm having a damn camera
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: right behind the wide receivers and DBs on one-on-ones. The
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: one-on-one defense line against the offense line. I'm having the
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: cameras in that, like right there. Right. So everybody can
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: see it. But because we played it and you have,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: for me personally, it's like an authentic voice behind us
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: to actually like want to do this shit. Yeah. Love it.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: And so I think eventually, even, by the way, that
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: week of the practice is going to be something unreal.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: We got cameras and drones, like all kinds of crazy shit.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: A lot of side programming. shows and talking to coaches, GMs, players,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: it's really, really going to be an interactive week. Um,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm, and I'm happy like East West, this is
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: their hundredth year. Like this is a big year for them.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: And so they actually, I brought it up and they
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: call right back and say, yeah, we saw, we see
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: what you're doing and we want to be a part
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: of it. And I was like, that's, that was big
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: for me, you know, for them to choose that. And
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: then after that, I get calls from the indoor football
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: league is coming over to, um, God, IFA is there too.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Another emerging football league is coming in, the Women's Football League,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: number one Women's Football League, will possibly have. And then
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: this one that they're showing now, this was the mega
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: monster that we launched about a month and a half ago.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: The Ultimate Fan Zone.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: Called the Ultimate Fan Zone. And so, again, as being
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: former players, we know the parts of the game that
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: people love to see. And sometimes it's not the game,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: it's the things around it.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: The meet-up. Yeah, the meet-up. The FOMO that you create.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: You can watch the game from anywhere in the world.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: You can find the game somehow. You can't find a tailgate.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: And I started thinking, I was like, man, who is
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: really doing this? No one. Again, you would think somebody
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: would have the week of practice for these switch round balls,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: the most important week, because some of these guys won't
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: get a lot of playing time anyway. So I'm like,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: why not make a week out of it so you
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: make a whole show out of it, which will also
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: be shown in 90 Airports.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do it for the Senior Bowl.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Why not the East West Shrine?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: So if you could get the rights to one thing,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: what would it be for your production company?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: Ooh, nice question. Thank you, sir.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: NFL preseason games.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: You don't want a game? You want the preseason?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. the preseason game, because I think you can get
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: more creative.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: I see your mindset. I see where your mindset's at.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. Why fight over what everybody's fighting over when
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: there's money to be made in these other spots?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. And you make it to what people want
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: to watch. You know, preseason for us, especially when you're
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: a vet, you're like, you want this shit to hurry up.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: You want to get your 10 plays out of the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: way and you want to be done.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: You want to get your series or two and be done.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: And so, but I think for the fans to get
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: excited about the season, there's so many creative things that
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: I would do for a preseason game to make people watch.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: And it's loose.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: It's loose.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: The players are loose. Something about seeing a player with
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: their shoulder pads unbuckled, the jersey up, and a bag
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: of seeds in their mouth.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: There's something about them that makes a fan go, bro,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: he's kind of like us.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the only real thing out there that does
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: it is like, what, hard knocks?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: Hard knocks is a great job. That'd be the only thing,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: and it's only on one team. You know what I mean?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: Because you kind of see the backstory within preseason. Because
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: like you said, no one really cares about You know,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: you get your series or two, but outside of that,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: it's like you like to tune into Hard Knocks because
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: you're seeing the actual reality of it unfold.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're able to take one of the
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: top players wearing a bucket hat hanging out and you
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: put a microphone on them in the middle of a game,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: people want to know that stuff.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: You can get so creative because the thing is, the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: reason why I created a fan zone because it's the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: number one fan engagement mechanism you can get to. Like,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: it's the number one. You can't get closer to the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: fans than that. Right. You can be in a stadium.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: You can watch the games. You can put them on
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a jumbotron, but you look at these guys. These are
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: all three former players, my former teammates. Legadoo, Narnay, Craig, Camarillo,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: and Kasim Osgood, all guys I played with. And they just, like,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: this is the ultimate, like, fam hangout. Try food, drink
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit, cornhole music. It's like you don't get
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: any better than this. And the Buffalo Bills one dropped tomorrow, dude.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: When I walked in, I just sobered up a little bit.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. It was like one of those things, bro. Dude,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: it was unreal because they just, they do it different.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: And it's a different setup. right? And so you got
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: ketchup and mustard. You know, guys out there walking in Speedos.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: It's cold as hell outside, by the way. And you said,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: we got one shot doing a show where you see
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: a sea of people. It gotta be every bit of
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: 3,000 or close to it. Yeah. Just back. This is
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: a tailgate, dude. It's not like some, it looks like
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: a concert. So when we drop that tomorrow on Light
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: Side Sports, it's going to be massive. And, you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: in talks now to get, to work with Snoop's youth
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: league football team too. So we, My thing is I
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: would like to get all 32 teams for tailgates.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: Rank them. Tell them what they do good, what they don't.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Rate them.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: The whole thing.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I got so many games that tailgates should play against
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: other teams. It's a whole game within a game. Yes.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: And there's so many things I want to do. Hopefully,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to enough teams now that I
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: think we shot three shows and the Chargers just did
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: one with the Bills. I think I got a couple
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: more with the Bills. But mainly, man, just bring it.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I think too? Cause I played
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: in San Diego, which is a lot of military.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: And you know, these guys get, or women, they get deployed.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: So they can't come to the tailgate. So all they
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: get is that two minute, yo, I wish you were here.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: You know that. And I'm like, now you can watch
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: your friends and family on the tailgate. You're there.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Bro, also, I don't know about this, but why not
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: go overseas where they're at and have a tailgate for
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: them for their teams?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: So there's a thing that I just implemented for our
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: fights where you can simulcast. So I'm working on that.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: So a lot of these troops that are overseas, I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: want something simulcast where we have them separate, where they
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: can feel like they're there at that tailgate, even though
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: they're overseas. I'm working on just that.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome, man. It sounds like a really cool project.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: That's got legs right now rolling.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's massive. And this one was shown in
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: 90 airports. It was live in 90 airports, 2,400 plus games.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: And in the fight game, what are the competitive edges
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: you look to kind of magnify there?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: While you do that, I'm going to paint. Yeah. I
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is we built a platform for ourselves, right?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Playing in the NFL.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: And there's no bigger fan base than NFL football fans.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: Always, always will be King, at least in this country.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: And so you kind of expose in these guys, he's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: up and coming like superstars who trying to make a
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: name for themselves. Like dude, imagine having a young Con McGregor, right.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: A young Ronda Rousey. Right. Or something. You can, you
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: get them up there. You kind of build them up
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: and then USC, give them a call and they become
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: some mega superstar, but they started with you.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I think for us,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: we're trying to create superstars and give these guys a platform.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Cause we, Just in the last two months, I think
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: UFC signed two of our guys in the last two months. Oh,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. That's awesome.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: You also do a lot in the charitable world as well,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: like anti-bullying and everything else. Yep. Speak on that, especially
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: coming from the place that you did come from.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I think I hate bullies. I hate personal bullies.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: I hate corporate bullies. I hate any bully out there, man,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: because to me, it was like we had this thing
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: growing up. I bullied the bully. It was like the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: nice guy who was always nice to everybody but would
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: kick your ass. Like, relax, bro. You're going too far.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: We'll pick up somebody your own size type of deal.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: And so I always hated bullies. And then obviously we
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about how I grew up and
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: we were homeless a couple different times. I started this
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: winter co-drive at the University of Maryland that I got
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: my 23rd annual coming up on the 16th, which is
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: in two weeks. Um, and so this thing has been going,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: you know, now I got a 14 year old son
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: and like, and he's up in, he's in Jersey. So
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: they all drive now he's there at the cold drives
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And hopefully after my ass has gone one
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: of these days, um, that, you know, he'll continue it
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: on because, you know, we didn't like, we were a
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: homeless dude. And I remember those winters, we were cold
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: as hell. We couldn't afford coats. We, uh, we actually
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: put like socks on our hand. We put on three
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: sweatshirts cause we couldn't afford a nice coat. You know
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And so I got this coat drive
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: in two weeks. It's my 23rd annual. We've collected over
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: 30,000 coats over 22 years.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: No shit.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: You got a 23rd annual one coming up.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Here in a couple weeks. Yeah, in two weeks. That's awesome.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: At the University of Maryland, yeah.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: What's your biggest piece of advice to kids that you
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: do identify with that kind of see that could potentially
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: be on a similar path that you were on?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things I try
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: to tell them is there's always light at the end
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: of the tunnel. When I was... When I was, we
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: were going through as much stuff as I was. My
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: son's ranked number 14th in the country, quarterback. Oh, no shit.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's number one in the jersey. I think
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: he did that shit despite me, to be honest.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: We need to make him a Husker.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, look, I'm trying to quote him from Maryland.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: He was just at the Syracuse game last week, and
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Syracuse love him. But I think for me, going through
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: what I went through now, because I was always constantly
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: asking myself, shit, why? I didn't do anything wrong. I'm
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: a good kid. I go to school. I fight a
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: little bit, but that's the most you got out of me.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, why does this shit happen
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: to me? Why do I got to come home and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: there's no food? So you question yourself a lot and
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: good times don't always last. Neither does bad. And so
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: any of these young kids that are just going through
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: something or feel down because suicide rates are up and
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of depression and anxiety and all this shit,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: just remember that there's always light no matter what. There's
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: always light no matter what you're going through. It might
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: be another week. It might be a month. You might
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: even have a bad year or some shit. Just know
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: that you'll get through it and you'll be fine. And
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: so I think that especially younger kids when they're going
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: through it, they got no outlet. And I was so
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: fortunate that football was an outlet for me because i
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: feel bad you know people ask all the time well
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: would you let your son play football like yes yeah
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: i mean because there's so many things i learned from
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: the game that if i didn't play i would have
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: never been able to survive in life right i 100
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: believe if i didn't play football i would have never
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: i wouldn't be sitting there right now because it was
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: an outlet for me and it also um taught me
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of things like overcoming like dude i mean
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Some of those summers you're in training camp, you're running
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: those half gasses and shit. You've got to be a
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: different individual sometimes. Right.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: The work ethic.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: Discipline, everything that comes involved with being a football player.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: The selfless nature you kind of have to create.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: 100%. you know, dog tired and it's fourth down and,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: you know, fourth quarter, you're trying to get through it.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: You can't just go out there and quit because people
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: are relying on you.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're a quarterback for the Colts, you can
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Tap out and just go take a couple plays off.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Just go take a couple plays off, whatever you want.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: It's just part of the deal, man.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: No, it's good advice.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: It's good advice. Football does teach you so much more
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: than X's and O's.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, I mean, there's very few people in the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: world that's going to put their shoulder and their finger
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: or something back in place and get back in the game.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Throw some tape on that shit. Like, just, you look
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: back on it now, Like that was some sick shit.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like how just our mindset and how like
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: we looked at everything, like, you know, pain was weakness.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: It's interesting looking at the world now and you see
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: like a couple of people get hurt, like you might
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: be out with somebody and they like roll their ankle
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: and they make it a big deal out of it.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: You're like, bro, come on.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: Just like, we know it's low.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: And with family involved now, you get removed from the
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: game long enough and you just start to have just
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: a different perspective. And you see the fishbowl and the
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: bubble that players get in mentally and you just know like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: You have no clue until you get out of it.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: What you're sweating right now is just, it's a weird psychology.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't get out of it either. Because the minute
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: you zoom out a little bit and realize, like, if
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: you're not 100% focused on this thing, you're fucked.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely fucked.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But the crazy thing is you don't see that
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: stuff until you walk, get away from the game a
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: little bit. You start looking at everything. It's like, even now, dude,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: you guys, I asked my favorite teammates. I'm like, shit, man,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: I played on a team with LTE.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember walking in
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: as a rookie looking AOT like he was Jordan.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like just LaDainian.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Bro, just people being like, I can't believe you played
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: with this person. That was your actual friend.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Someone you hung out with.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, man.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: Twisted question this week.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: Kind of goes off of your Lights Out Network and
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: your Lights Out Extreme Fighting. To save the world, would
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: you rather have 100 tries to beat Brock Lesnar in
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: his prime or 1,000 tries to hit a hole-in-one?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Brock.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: That is a very, this is Eminence Prime.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: You understand that? National Championship at the University of Minnesota Wrestling.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Was a superstar at the WWE.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Heavyweight champion of the world at the UFC.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: That's who you're taking 100 times.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't need 100, though, to be honest.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: That's the exact.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: How many tries do you think it would take? Because, listen,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: if you were in the driver's seat to save the
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: world out of these two options, I'm elated to hear
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: you say Brock Lesnar. I'm like, okay, I do think
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: that's our best shot.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, not very many, to be honest.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Why is that? Where do you see the flaws in
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: his game? What's going on?
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: He couldn't stand up with me. He's a great wrestler. Great.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: If you're saying that he would wrestle him and take
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: me down, I would not argue with that. You got
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: 100 tries.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: But if he gets close enough where he's standing up
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: with me, he doesn't have a shot.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: That is, the way you said it made me believe you.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: I heard he talked shit on your PED and getting
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: Pro Bowl.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I wouldn't.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: You got to get me in John's corner. He was
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: talking some crazy shit.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: Talking wild. I'll tell you this, dude. I have played
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: nine holes of golf in my entire life. I don't
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: care for golf one bit. I'm doing the 1,000 shots.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: You're doing 1,000 shots?
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I'm just not a, you know. Once upon
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: a time. And I think we talk about getting further removed.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: It seems like you've kept your edge for me.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: I see people warming up. I'm like, God damn, I
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: did that? That is crazy.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely had to look back from, like, getting
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: cut block and shit. I'm like, you know, sometimes I'll
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: grab my legs and my knees will lift them up.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: In the middle of the night. Sometimes you watch these
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: cats playing and you're just like, I can't believe I
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: was out there, like, doing that.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: You see Saquon Barkley yesterday. Doing the things he did.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: He'd be like, oh, my God. Listen, when he did
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: that shit, I grabbed both of my meniscus. I would
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: have came down. My patella and my meniscus would just
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: fell right out of the side.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: Of my legs.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: No doubt.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: No doubt. But, hey, good luck with Brock Lesnar.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Will?
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: On the Twisted Question?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean, are we talking part three here? Yeah.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Of course. For sure.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: I would say, I would say the thousand tries of golf,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: like no matter what, like you get a hundred tries,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: like you got to think that one can land and
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: maybe all you need is one. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm crazy. Right.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: But I would say your best bet is a thousand tries.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Just think about when you're on like a 10 57
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: and fucking, he knocks you out. And then you guys
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: just both reset to being totally fine.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: The first one would happen. I'd be like, we might
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: be fucked everybody.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: Because I'm not built like.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: It'd be like day after tomorrow.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: You know, why I didn't pick the golf is because
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: I know people that play golf almost every day and
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: still suck. Yeah. You get what I'm saying?
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: I just... I don't feel confident that I will go
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: out there because I'm watching... people who do this for
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: a living and who still come out some days and
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: just look terrible.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't like golf now. I'm just like, dude,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: if I do something like repetitive, because we're told as athletes,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: you do something 10,000 times, you're going to do what?
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: You'll be great.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, master.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: You cannot be great doing that 10,000 times. You can
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: come out and look great one day and then come
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: out the next day and lay a goose egg. Yeah.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: But all you need is that one. You just need
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: that one to save the world.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: You see yourself, are you going to be fighting at
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: some point?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: So, I'm not against it. this is what I'm saying.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not against it, but I do respect these guys.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: I've jumped in, I've jumped in training camps. I've sparred.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: I still, I still spar. I sparred a couple of
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: weeks ago at Randy Couture's gym up in, in Vegas. Um,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: so I like to be around the guys. That's more importantly.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: I like to be around the guys and spar, stay,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: stay with it. Cause I feel better discipline wise.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: You know, like I think we get done doing this.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: Like we feel like bombs a little bit. Like we don't,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: we can't compete anymore. Yeah. So I think I walk
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: in some days and I'm like, Oh shit, I can
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: still go. Like I can still do it.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: Um, But the difference is that, like the pros versus joes,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: when people start talking, she's like, dude, listen, I will
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: knock your head off. You put on a pair of
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: pads and a helmet, and I will literally knock your
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: head off. And so these fighters, they do this for
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: a living. These guys train six days, seven days a week,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: sometimes twice a day. And so I don't want to
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: go down that path unless I was fully committed. Because
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: right now, with Lights Out Sports, I'm on a plane
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: every five days. If I'm not meeting with a venue
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: or casino or some kind of arena, it's a sponsor.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: It's like a nonstop distribution deal. We got some stuff
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: possibly in the works coming with the UFC Fight Pass
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: that we're going to announce here soon, too. And so
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: I'm doing these deals. And so I'll get in a
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: gym now, and I'll spar and train when I can. Right.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: As opposed to, that's what I'm doing.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: What about like a celebrity.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: Type of athlete?
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: You fight Jake Paul?
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: You see Jake Paul's ass.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: For sure. He's just too small. I think Jake is
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: really good. I've been saying this for like five years.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: I thought that Jake, when I first seen him train,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: and Shane Mosley had called me one day, and I
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: watched this in 2019. And Shane said, hey, come up
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: to my place in Big Bear and watch this kid,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: Jake Paul, train. Like, he can actually go. And so
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I did. I drove up to Shane Mosley's place, and
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: I stayed that week, and I trained with him. And
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: I watched Jake Paul work, and I was like, dude,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: this dude, he's going to be really good. Like, really good.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: He was running up. We've been around athletes our whole life.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: We know an athlete when we see one.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: Running up the hills, digging, like, pushing himself, like, doing
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: stuff that a normal person doesn't.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: You just know.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: He has that drive.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: He has that drive.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: What's your stance on the Mike Tyson fight, him and
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: I think if it gets outside of the third round,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: it's all Jake. I think Jake will hurt him bad. Really? Yeah, because– Mike,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: the power never really, you don't lose the power as much.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: One of those inside shots will clip you. He can
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: knock Jake out still at almost 60 years old. Those
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: inside punches, body punches, head movement, all that stuff Mike
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: still has. One of those land, it's going to hurt
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: Jake bad. After the third round, Mike is just going
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: to get tired. He can't go. I mean, his power
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: and his stamina, his movement after the third round is
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: just going to tank. because your body just can't at
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: that age. It's the stamina that goes. Like somebody asked
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: me now, could I play? I go a line up
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: right now and play, give you 12 plays. I'm not
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: saying it'll be great, but I can do it. But
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: if you ask me to play 20, 25, I just,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: I can't. It's not happening.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: Keeley's going to go.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Keeley's going to go to knees.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Knees are buckling.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: You can't, you know, but I was on.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: That neck pain you forgot about.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: That shit's back.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: For sure. So I think Mike is going to look
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: great for three rounds. And he got a chance to
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: clip Jake Paul and knock him out. Or at least
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: hurt him enough where he's not as dominating on the
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: last round.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: As a person who's boxed before, there's a bunch of rumors, obviously,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: that Jake Paul's fights are rigged. Is there any truth
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: to that in your mind?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: This is why I don't. believe that those things true
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: because if you're caught you're done you're hoping like all
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: the millions so if you if you're caught doing this
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: stuff you're just you're done and nobody's gonna come to
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: a fight anymore you're not gonna get pay-per-views you're not
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: gonna get paid so that one risk that you don't
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: know that if it does get out that you're rigging
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: fights this is why i say i'm not saying it
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen i'm just saying with this amount of money
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: and situation on the line it's gonna be hard to
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: read because you take one person from somebody's camp They say, hey,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: I was paid such and such to take a dive.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: Once you do that and somebody finds proof of that,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: you're done. Just get out to sport. So he's making
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: too much money, has too much opportunities, including his other
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: businesses and everything he promotes, to be tied to rigging fights.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: for him, it's too risky to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: I feel you. I get it.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: I like that response, too. I think Jake Paul is
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: going to see that clip. He's going to really appreciate it.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: You don't like that. Should we hit the tier talk?
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: I'm down. I'm down to hit tier talk.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: Do you want to explain tier talk?
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so tier talk is we're going to do best
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: personal celebrations. You got tier three. You start at tier three.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: You work your way up to tier two. Tier one,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: it's basically your top three. All time. You're going to
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: say what your celebration is. So it might be the
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: lights out celebration. You have a little sizzle. You give
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: a little feedback on why you think it belongs in
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: that tier. And then that's ultimately that is tier talk.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: That is tier talk.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: I think I'm way outgunned in this one.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of celebration.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: I think my opinion. Yeah, but I think my opinion
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: is not going to.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: You want to start?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start it.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Go ahead and start it off.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: I want to see this dab first.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was the one with a little sugar on it.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: That was Dallas.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: I sat the second half. We were going into the playoffs. Coach,
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: you need to rest my legs.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: So you exerted a little bit more energy because you
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: knew you had to.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The gentleman's dad.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: I just want to go up.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: Fuck it, dude. I'm not going to tell you guys
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: what I feel. I think the simplicity of a celebration
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: goes a long way with me. The elaborates, all that,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like gets old after a while. My tier
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: three is going to go to the OG Feed Me,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: coined and started by the Denard Robinson, Shoelace Robinson. He
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: was actually the individual that started that celebration. Did it
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: against Ohio State. Who picked it up a year later?
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott. You be the judge. My tier two.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: So it's one every tier?
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so tier three is like the bottom.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Then tier one's your favorite. My tier two, this is
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: going to sound crazy, but a touchdown being scored, a
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: home run being hit, you meet the other individual, not
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of celebration, just a handshake. I think
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: the handshake goes a long fucking way. And my tier one,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: and this might be my old man or everybody's old
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: man saying, act like you've been there before. But when
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: somebody rockets off a crazy play, And they don't even
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: act like nothing fucking happened. They just, they'll walk off.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: That to me is the best celebration out there. Derrick
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: Henry is probably the number one person doing that right now.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: I think the walk off.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: So no celebration. The no selling.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: I was going to say no selling.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: The no selling. Like this dude's just been doing this forever.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: You're like the dad talking about the Walter Paynes and
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: Barry Sanders. Yeah.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: They never celebrated. They never celebrated. They never did nothing.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: You see him, son, he goes, hands the ball to
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: the referee.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: You see that. Now, I am a celebrator.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: If I was the one scoring touchdowns, you'd see me
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: come up with something new every single week. However, to me,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: when I watch it from a distance, I see somebody
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: just score a touchdown, have an insane play, and then
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: they'll walk up. No celebration. You're like, yo, this dude
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: just must know something that we don't know. And that
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: is my tear talk. Now, what Will didn't tell you
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: is we're going to go around the room. And everyone's
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: going to give one word to say how they feel
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: about your tear talk. We'll start with Will.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: Basic.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: Basic.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: Short and sweet, hyphenated.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: Lame.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: Jack?
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: Michigan.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: That was nasty. That was nasty. It's kind of boring
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Boring. Boring a little bit, hyphenated.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: Boring a little bit, hyphenated.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: That should be a quote graphic for Coop.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, my tier three is going to go to Chris
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: Johnson's touchdown celebration. I felt like I remember being at
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Nebraska and guys are trying to mimic his celebration. What
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: does he call it? Chop city.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: When, when Chris Johnson was scoring touchdowns, everybody was glued
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: to the TV. People are trying to mimic it. My
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: tier two is going to be, he had talked about
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: it earlier. The Ray Lewis pregame ritual coming out of
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: the tunnel. I mean, just iconic. Especially if you're a linebacker.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: Like watching him do that captivated an entire stadium. To
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: the point to where the man can still go out
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: and do it and the stadium goes crazy. That's legacy.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: That's what Ray Lewis is about. My tier one is
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: going to go. I'm going to enter in the wrestling world. WWF, WWE,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: the D generation X. The suck it sign. That was
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: taking the world by storm, bro. And that is my
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: tier one. Where it changed culture. And that is D
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: generation X.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, that was like an era. That was the attitude era.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: That was the attitude era, dude. I don't give a
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: shit who you were. I saw like grandmas doing it.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: Grandmas were doing it.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: That's my tier talk.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: You hated that.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: I hated it. Cause you literally, you're just, I was like,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: what am I doing?
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: He said, no celebration was the tier one.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: That was, that was pretty bad.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it after.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, groundbreaking.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Youthful.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: Attitude.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: Hyped. That's good. From one of the Ironman himself.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: Sean, you have the floor.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: You have the floor.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, Tier three. I'm going to go to Dikembe. Okay. Yeah.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: I had time to think, so I'll come out strong. Yeah,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go Dikembe with the wagon. I'm going
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: to go Ray Lewis. Well, I'm going to pick somebody
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: because I would think he got Ray. Let's go– This
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: is a sleeper, bro, who I used to like a lot.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: It's Jared Allen, the rope.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bro.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: All right. That's a good one.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: The hard time.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: The hard time.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: It's got to be all football, any sport.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: It can be any sport.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: I want WWE.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go Ronaldo. What does Ronaldo do? I'm sorry.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not a– That's an iconic one.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: The jump and the– Yeah.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Cultured.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Solid. Elite. Unreal. International. Yeah.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: This man, y'all glazing like crazy.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: I got an international tear.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: That was a great one.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: That is good.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: That was solid.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: Hey, but yours, I mean, come on now.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: You know, so the first time when I did that,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: when that hit against Georgia Tech, my coach yanked me
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: out of the game. He pulled me out. And so
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: I got the light switch from, you know, I'm pretending
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: to do turning the light switch on and off. But
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: at the time, I just pointed at it. And the
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: crowd got louder. And I just, out of nowhere, I
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: started jumping. I didn't plan it.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Just the body taking over.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: This is in that first game or this has developed
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: over time?
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: This is in the first game, yeah. This was like
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: when I came off. And the video didn't show it.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: When I came off, I was jumping up and down
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: and doing it. My coach yanked me out of the game.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: Ralph Regan did. And he said, if you ever do
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: that shit again, you'll never play here again. That's what
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: he told me. So I go from up here because
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: I had a big-ass hit on ESPN. Like, everybody's watching. Like, crowds.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: So I went from here to, like, here in two seconds.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: And I got on the sideline, and my defensive coordinator,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: Coach Blackney, and everybody's like, what was that dance? You know,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: so just how people.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: Flipping the switch.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: It's called the lights-out dance. I just threw that shit
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: out there. I didn't think it was going to stick.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: And it stuck. And that's how I just kept. What
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: made you do it again?
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: Was it your D-corner to keep that shit up?
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: I just pointed at it after that because I got
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: a penalty. Yeah. But when I got into the league,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: it was like all bets were off. Do whatever you want. Oh, shit. Man,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: I went, dude, it was, even now, dude, I'll go
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: like in the country and I'll see people doing shit
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: across the street. It's the craziest thing ever. I was
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: in Miami probably about six months ago. And I was
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: going to, what's the steak joint down in Prime? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: I was going to Prime. It was a group of people,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: like five or six people in a car, like pulled
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: up on a curve almost. So I'm thinking I'm like
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: about to get robbed or some shit. I'm like, what
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: is going on? They like literally drove up on the curb.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: And one guy jumped out and the other guy stuck
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: their arm out the window doing this.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, that was so, not just,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: I was bending over, bro, because I couldn't even stand
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: up and I was laughing my ass off and I
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: was like pouring down tears. But it's cool, man, to
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: see people still doing that.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You probably had a run.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: Legacy.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: It probably still happens where Halloween just happened.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: It's where the Mohawk was going.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, there was plenty of that.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: The jerseys are on.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: There was plenty of that, yeah.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome, man. You got any more questions?
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: Dude, this has been all time. No, I'm serious. were,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: when you were doing it, I was in high school.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: I was in college. Like you were the fucking man, bro.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: And it was fun to watch you then. And it's
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: crazy to think now at 35 years old, I have
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: a podcast and you were sitting on the bus.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: No, that's awesome, man. I appreciate y'all, man. That's, you know, keep, Dude,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: I tell anybody, obviously launching the streaming platform, people don't
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: know the difficulty of launching your own shit. So it's
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of work behind the scenes and people see it,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: but they don't know it all goes into it. And
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: it's those days you're trying to figure shit out. Is
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: this working? Is that not working? Are you kind of
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: on your own in a way? And it's a big risk.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: I launched my own damn streaming service. I was at
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: Fubo getting six-figure checks to fight. And so I finally
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: was just like, fuck it. You know, I can do
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: this shit on my own.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, diving off the deep end of your own.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: Just jump out there and do it. And so people
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: don't understand the work that's, you know, kind of required
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: into doing this. The sleepless nights, like, oh, are we
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: doing it right? Have we got to put some more
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: money here? Right. There's a lot of figuring out to do. And,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I always say this, man. People are jealous
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: or envious of the results, but they're never jealous of
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: the work.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: They're never, you know, jealous of the work. And that's
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: a bar, too. That's a nice quote. You know what
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? And people are just jealous or they hate.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, you're hating. But if you knew
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: what I had to do to do this shit, you know,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: you guys go and get your own facility, your own,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: you know, everything. If you're jealous of or hating or
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: whatever the case is, that you want that, but you
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: don't want that. You don't want that work. Right. You
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So, yeah, kudos to y'all, man.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: And congrats. And I'm a big fan of the show.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: If you look back. at like the last 20 shows y'all,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: I've liked everything. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's fucking go.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we can put the old Instagram comment to
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: bed with Vernon.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: Full circle.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: No doubt, man.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: We do appreciate it. Thanks, man.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: Like, subscribe, big hugs, tiny kisses.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Let's get a photo real quick.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bro.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Hey, that was awesome.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: No, I do appreciate it, bro. Seriously, stories run real.