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The Kenny Report | 2 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Middle East on tedderhooks as Israel reels from a
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  Speaker 2: massive Iranian missile assault and the world awaits Israel's response.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Israel to get a first hand account.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get the latest analysis too, and I'll explain just
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  Speaker 2: how pathetic our own prime minister is on these crucial
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  Speaker 2: moral and strategic issues.
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  Speaker 1: In the US. JD.
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  Speaker 2: Vance shines in the debate, showing why, whether Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: wins or losers, we're likely to see Vance running for
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  Speaker 2: the top job in four years time.
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  Speaker 1: And the experts.
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  Speaker 2: Agree that to get to net zero and lower power prices,
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  Speaker 2: we need nuclear energy. More on that US report that
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  Speaker 2: destroys Labour's anti nuclear nonsense. All that, plus Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 2: and the Wednesday wrangle, let's get into it first, the
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  Speaker 2: missile attack on Israel by Iran and the possible consequences.
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  Speaker 2: As usual, there are stern words from Western leaders warning
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  Speaker 2: against escalation, our own prime minister among them.
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  Speaker 1: But let's cut to the chase.
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  Speaker 2: They're all culpable on this because for almost a year now,
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  Speaker 2: from right after October, the seventh last year, they've faltered
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  Speaker 2: in their defense of Israel. They've failed to support Israel
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  Speaker 2: in its efforts to defeat terrorist groups like Hummas Hezblah
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  Speaker 2: and the Hooties, and they've failed to put pressure on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Right here at this desk, repeatedly, along with experts, I've
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  Speaker 2: shown you why Iran is the problem, how Iran is
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  Speaker 2: using proxies like Hummas Hesblah and the Hooties for it's
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  Speaker 2: evil and its murderous plots against Israel. But all the
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  Speaker 2: time we've seen, all we've seen from people like Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden and Kiirs Stamer and the UN and Anthony Alberizi
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  Speaker 2: is calls for Israel to ease up on defending itself
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  Speaker 2: instead of pressure on Iran. We've had endless pressure on
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  Speaker 2: Israel as it fights for its very survival. And so
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  Speaker 2: we get the terror overnight, an entire nation sent into crisis,
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  Speaker 2: sheltering in bomb shelters as nearly two hundred Iranian missiles
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  Speaker 2: were fired fired right across the nation of Israel.
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  Speaker 3: A la.
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  Speaker 1: Russia.
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  Speaker 2: The aim, of course, was to kill Israelis, to kill Jews. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: the missiles were intercepted and Israel once more proved capable
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  Speaker 2: of defending its people.
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  Speaker 1: The only fatality was.
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  Speaker 2: A Palestinian tragically killed by a falling rocket. Casing Israeli
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised a response.
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  Speaker 4: Iran made a major mistake this evening, and it will
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  Speaker 4: pay for it. The regime in Iran just doesn't understand
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  Speaker 4: our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate
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  Speaker 4: to our enemies.
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  Speaker 2: The world now waits to see exactly what that military
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  Speaker 2: retaliation will be. But suddenly Joe Biden is sounding more stoic.
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  Speaker 1: Magno mistake.
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  Speaker 5: The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel,
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  Speaker 5: and I just I've been spent the morning and part
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  Speaker 5: of the afternoon in the situation room and meeting with
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  Speaker 5: my whole national security team and consoling with the Israelis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds a bit stronger now.
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  Speaker 2: But Biden and other Western leaders, including Alban these you
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  Speaker 2: have been calling for ceasefires, in other words, calling for
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  Speaker 2: Israel to stop counter attacks against the terrorists, leaving murderous
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  Speaker 2: terrorists and their weapons in place, as if that deliver peace,
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  Speaker 2: as if you can negotiate with terrorists. Just minutes before
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  Speaker 2: the Iranian missile attack, last night there was another terrorist
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  Speaker 2: attack in Tel Aviv. At least six people were shot
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  Speaker 2: dead and many more injured. Journalists Liam Mendes and Yonni
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  Speaker 2: bash Ahn were on their way to cover that terror
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  Speaker 2: attacked when they had to shelter from the missile assault.
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  Speaker 1: That's really close to us. Is a very place.
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  Speaker 6: Sounds as those and incoming missiles are on the way,
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  Speaker 6: cars are.
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  Speaker 7: Pulled over on the side of people.
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  Speaker 1: On the stomachs. Every car on this freeway has come
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  Speaker 1: to the side approxen one hundred and two missiles one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and two hundred and two. Well, well that's going
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  Speaker 1: to get the last years.
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  Speaker 2: That's life in Israel. Terror on the streets and missiles
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  Speaker 2: in the sky. Yet world leaders pressure Israel. This only
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  Speaker 2: encourages terrorists and the rogue states. This can only prolonged
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  Speaker 2: conflict rather than deliver peace. The only route to peace
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  Speaker 2: is to defeat the terrorists. Moral clarity and strategic resolve
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  Speaker 2: are vital, but outside of Israel they seem to be
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  Speaker 2: in short supply. Let's head straight to Israel now and
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  Speaker 2: bring in Yanni Bishan, one of the journals you just
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  Speaker 2: saw there from the Australian newspaper, who had to take
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  Speaker 2: shelter from that missile attack. Thanks so much for joining us, Johnnie.
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  Speaker 2: Thank goodness you and Liam Mendez are okay, let's start
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  Speaker 2: on that terror attack in Tel Aviva. A shocking attack
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  Speaker 2: without warning. Six people killed.
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  Speaker 6: We're hearing at least six people killed. We heard earlier
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  Speaker 6: of at least nine people injured. We heard about this
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  Speaker 6: on a typical of early early autumn, late summer evening here.
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  Speaker 7: It's very hot weather.
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  Speaker 6: There's lots of people out and about out on the
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  Speaker 6: streets and the cafes and the boulevards. Word came through
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  Speaker 6: by the whisper network and on the usual channels that
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  Speaker 6: there may have been an incident in Shaffer and Liam
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  Speaker 6: and I made our way to the center of that
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  Speaker 6: and that's when the sirens started going off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when those sirens went off described the scene
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  Speaker 2: for us, Johnny, Because of course you would have been
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  Speaker 2: used to sporadic missile attacks, not many have got as
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  Speaker 2: far south as a Tel Aviv. But this was something else,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it. Two hundred missiles and alarms and shelters and
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  Speaker 2: missiles falling and being intercepted right across the entire country.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's correct.
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  Speaker 6: Norminally, when we hear of missile attacks in Israel, there
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  Speaker 6: in the upper part of the country or in the
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  Speaker 6: southern part of the country.
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  Speaker 7: They rarely occasionally reached the central parts of Israel.
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  Speaker 6: In this particular instance, there was a barrage of some
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  Speaker 6: two hundred ballistic missiles coming in from Iran, and they
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  Speaker 6: were headed directly for Tel Aviv and the center of
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  Speaker 6: the country as well. So a very different attack in
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  Speaker 6: that sense. But for Liam and I, we were, as
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  Speaker 6: I said, on the way to this other terrorist instant
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  Speaker 6: incident that had occurred in Jaffa, when all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 6: the emergency learns that are disseminated by the government just
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  Speaker 6: sort of blasted through our stereo speakers.
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  Speaker 7: It's just indescribable. We got out of the car.
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  Speaker 6: We were on a highway, all the cars that then
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  Speaker 6: feered off to the side, and immediately we donned our
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  Speaker 6: protective gear, got on the floor, got our mobile phones out,
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  Speaker 6: started filming because there were rockets in the sky. And
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  Speaker 6: I don't just mean the Iron Dome rockets. I mean
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  Speaker 6: the incoming ballistic missiles that are derived from Iran itself.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously if those rockets landed in those areas there
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  Speaker 2: would have been casualties, civilian casualties. This is not a
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  Speaker 2: military on military attack. It is effectively terrorism from a
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  Speaker 2: rogue nation.
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  Speaker 1: What do we expect to see?
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  Speaker 2: I suppose all the speculation in Israel now is exactly
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  Speaker 2: what the response is. The military response is from Israel.
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  Speaker 2: We've been warned to expect it from Benjamin net Nahu.
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
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  Speaker 6: We've heard it of an iron fisted approach from Benjamin Netanyahu,
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  Speaker 6: who was obviously deeply troubled US was the other the
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  Speaker 6: rest of the leadership in Israel at the attack that
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  Speaker 6: took place. I mean, what watching these rockets infiltrate Israeli airspace,
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  Speaker 6: They're falling in discriminate, They're not guiding the souls.
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  Speaker 7: Perhaps some of them are, but not all of them were.
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  Speaker 6: And liab and I in fact saw a number of
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  Speaker 6: small number, but still a number evading the iron defense
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  Speaker 6: system and landing in parts of Tel Aviv. There was
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  Speaker 6: damage that it was caused, no casualties, but this was
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  Speaker 6: an event that could have seen a higher number of injuries,
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  Speaker 6: far more property damage. And the response from the net
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  Speaker 6: Nyahu government is that there will be some kind of counteroffensive.
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  Speaker 6: But it's going to be on their terms, not lot
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  Speaker 6: of Iran's. And so that's what the world is holding
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  Speaker 6: its breath to see. What is the counter offensive going
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  Speaker 6: to beck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know from past experience that the Israeli
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  Speaker 2: response will be targeted. It won't be attacking a civilians
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  Speaker 2: in Iran. It'll be a targeted attack of some kind. Johnnie,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for timing.
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Bishan there from the Australian newspaper joining us from Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic to get his first hand accounts there he's reporting.
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  Speaker 2: You can see it on the Australian website to his
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  Speaker 2: reporting along with Liam Mendez. Now, as I said, we
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  Speaker 2: need moral clarity and strategic resolve on Israel and on
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  Speaker 2: the repercussions also in our own country. But we see
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  Speaker 2: none of that from our Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi. He
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  Speaker 2: shows only false equivalents. And what about ism with traumatic
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  Speaker 2: consequences for our country? I reckon, here's the PM today
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  Speaker 2: on the big picture.
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  Speaker 9: What we want to do is to reiterate the call
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  Speaker 9: that we have. Israel, of course has a right to
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  Speaker 9: defend itself. What we have called for consistently is for
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  Speaker 9: a de escalation in the region. Along with our friends
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  Speaker 9: in the United States and others, we issued a joint
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  Speaker 9: statement with thirteen nations just a week ago, and we
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  Speaker 9: did that the context of making sure that the Israelis
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  Speaker 9: can return to northern Israel and that the Lebanese can
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  Speaker 9: return to Sudden Lebanon. One of the things that that
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  Speaker 9: statement said was diplomacy, however, cannot succeed amid an escalation
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  Speaker 9: of this conflict.
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  Speaker 2: So many words, with so little meaning, he says nothing
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  Speaker 2: of consequence. Diplomacy cannot stop terrorists Hamas and Hesblara and
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  Speaker 2: Islamic jihad, and the Hutis and even Iran. They can't
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  Speaker 2: be dealt with by diplomacy. They're committed to the destruction
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  Speaker 2: of Israel, the elimination of the Jews from the river
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  Speaker 2: to the sea. You cannot do deals with them. This
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  Speaker 2: is folly, naive words aimed at avoiding the issues, not
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  Speaker 2: resolving them.
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  Speaker 1: You have to choose sides Albo. You have to make
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  Speaker 1: a call.
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  Speaker 2: And if you understand right from if you understand history,
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  Speaker 2: if you understand humanity, and you understand our national values,
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  Speaker 2: you have to choose Israel you have to steadfastly support
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  Speaker 2: Israel and back it in to get rid of the
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  Speaker 2: terror groups slaughtering its people and trying to eradicate it
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  Speaker 2: from the face of the planet.
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  Speaker 1: But no, listen to some more from Albanezi.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we regard Hesbelah as a terrorist organization, as we
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  Speaker 9: regard Hamas as a terrorist organization. We have been working
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  Speaker 9: with like minded countries and issuing appropriate statements such as
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  Speaker 9: the ones that I referred to.
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  Speaker 1: We've been issuing appropriate statements.
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  Speaker 2: You are combating the Islamist extremist terror groups of Hamas
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  Speaker 2: and Hezbalah by issuing statements. Why does this blog even
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  Speaker 2: bother If you do not want to lead, If you
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  Speaker 2: cannot lead, why on earth did you want to become
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  Speaker 2: prime minister? Check out this question and answer.
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  Speaker 10: Have you what if you contact with the Irangan and
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  Speaker 10: dacted our following those strikes over night?
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  Speaker 1: No, don't you? Well, I've been here in Melbourne, so.
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  Speaker 11: No, I have not.
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  Speaker 2: Is he really he can't deal with the biggest issue
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  Speaker 2: in the world right now because at the moment he's.
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  Speaker 1: In Melbourne Albany?
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  Speaker 2: Is he called in the Israeli ambassador back in April
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  Speaker 2: because aid workers operating in a war zone were tragically
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  Speaker 2: but accidentally killed in an Israeli attack. But when Iran
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  Speaker 2: fires two hundred missiles into Israel unprovoked, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even call in the the Iranian ambassador and he
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  Speaker 2: can't even raise the issue because he's in Melbourne. Such weakness,
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  Speaker 2: and what does our Prime minister have to say about
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  Speaker 2: the prospect of pro Palestinian anti Israel And as we've
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  Speaker 2: seen in the past, pro Hamas and Prohisbella protesters taking
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  Speaker 2: to our streets next week on the first anniversary of
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  Speaker 2: the October the seventh atrocity.
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  Speaker 9: What I would encourage at all times is for there
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  Speaker 9: to be appropriate moderation. These are difficult times and I
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  Speaker 9: understand that for many Australians with family, be it in Israel,
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  Speaker 9: the occupied Palestinian territories or in Lebanon, this is a
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  Speaker 9: very difficult time. It's not a time to raise temperature.
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  Speaker 9: It's a time to try to make sure that social
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  Speaker 9: cohesion in Australia is valued.
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  Speaker 2: Social cohesion is celebrating the death of innocent in israelis
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  Speaker 2: an example of social cohesion. Is it all too hard
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  Speaker 2: to choose between right and wrong? The only victims on
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh were is innocent Israelis.
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  Speaker 1: There were no victims in Gaza or Lebanon.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone protesting to celebrate the Hummus atrocities against Israel or
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  Speaker 2: protesting against Israel on that day is clearly wrong and
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  Speaker 2: is heartless. It's a repugnant thing to do. Anyone with
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  Speaker 2: an ounce of humanity can see that. But either our
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister can't see that or is too timid.
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  Speaker 1: Politically to say so.
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  Speaker 2: How desperately sad for this nation and especially for our
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australian compatriots. Is Albanizi so lacking in core values,
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  Speaker 2: so lacking in leadership that he can't take a side
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  Speaker 2: between right and wrong, between good and evil, between humanity
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  Speaker 2: and barbarity in trying times.
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  Speaker 1: We are a nation without leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Michael Schudbridge from Strategic Analysis Australia
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  Speaker 2: Life from both Desert in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask you the big question about the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East at this moment, and that is what happens next?
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  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, I think step one is to recognize it's
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  Speaker 12: a war, and it's an existential war for Israel. They
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  Speaker 12: need to re establish the physical security for their nine
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  Speaker 12: point four million people, and to do that they will
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  Speaker 12: reset the military balance, which is what they've been doing
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  Speaker 12: with the killing of the Hasbola leadership and the dismantling
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  Speaker 12: of their command structure, the destruction of about half of
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  Speaker 12: their missile and rocket inventories, and now these ground attacks
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  Speaker 12: into southern Israel to kill Hasbola fighters, destroy weapons, and
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  Speaker 12: destroy tunnels and bases because he was planning an attack
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  Speaker 12: like the Hamas October attack of last year from southern Lebanon.
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  Speaker 12: And with Iran, You're right, Iran as the orchestrator of
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  Speaker 12: these terrorist proxies and supplies them with their rockets and
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  Speaker 12: missiles and weapons. Israel is also demonstrating that all the
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  Speaker 12: ballistic missiles and rockets Aroun have are irrelevant because they
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  Speaker 12: can be defeated by the Israeli defense system. But the
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  Speaker 12: contrast is Israel can fire weapons into Tehran at will
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  Speaker 12: and hit targets precisely. And that's what we'll see next.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see some sort of targeted response.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the way you set out the strategic challenge there
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  Speaker 2: for Israel is so clear and it's so obvious. They've
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  Speaker 2: been forced into this by the terrorist attacks and by
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  Speaker 2: the missile attacks and.
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  Speaker 1: The attacks from Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Yet why do we see so little support from Western
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  Speaker 2: political leaders about this strategy. We've got to this situation
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  Speaker 2: where it's clear that Israel has to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: these missile stockpiles directed at it has to defeat these
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  Speaker 2: terrorist enemies. Yet we get ambivalents from the US, and
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  Speaker 2: even worse from the UK and the UN and others.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think in the case of our government, the
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  Speaker 12: problem is they haven't had an ethical or national interest
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  Speaker 12: foundation for what they've been saying and doing. They've seen
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  Speaker 12: this as some kind of domestic management issue where they
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  Speaker 12: don't want to alienate a bunch of voters in particular electorates,
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  Speaker 12: and so they've done It's like that Joebielki Petersen saying
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  Speaker 12: I'm up here in Queensland. He famously said, you can't
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  Speaker 12: sit on the fence and keep your ear to the
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  Speaker 12: ground without terrible things happening. That's what's happened to the
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  Speaker 12: Albanesi government over this war in the Middle East. There's
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  Speaker 12: a democracy called Israel fighting an existential war against a
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  Speaker 12: Shia regime in Iran that has built and backed has Bolla,
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  Speaker 12: Hamas and the Hooties. And you're right, there's a clear
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  Speaker 12: side Australia should be on in this war, and that's Israel.
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  Speaker 2: It's very easy to have enormous sympathy for any innocent
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  Speaker 2: civilians caught up on any side or all sides. But
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  Speaker 2: the moral position and the strategic position is exactly.
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  Speaker 1: As you outline there, Michael. Thank you for your clarity
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  Speaker 1: on those issues. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Sudbridge there from strategic analysis Australia. If only we
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  Speaker 2: could have a Prime minister who could see these things
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  Speaker 2: in those straightforward, clear moral and strategic terms. Now let's
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  Speaker 2: go to very domestic politics now, and the election campaign
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  Speaker 2: is up and running in Queensland. It's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a big one. Everyone expecting a change of government to
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  Speaker 2: the LMP. Let's catch up with One Nation leader Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson joining us live from Scenic Grim. Pauline, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be busy during this campaign. What do you expect
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  Speaker 2: One Nation candidates to do well?
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  Speaker 10: I think that we will will win some seats, Chris,
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  Speaker 10: I can't say how many. I've traveled around right up
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  Speaker 10: to Cannes last week and I've been Mackay and Gimpi
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  Speaker 10: and Murbur and out west of it too, so it
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  Speaker 10: is fully on. People have fed up with the major
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  Speaker 10: political parties. They are looking for change. I do believe
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  Speaker 10: Labor is gone in Queensland. They're trying to buy the
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  Speaker 10: votes out there. People are over it. They've had enough
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  Speaker 10: time since twenty fifteen to make a change in the state.
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  Speaker 10: It's for the worst since Labor has held government in Queensland,
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  Speaker 10: so it's time for change. But do I trust kristap
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  Speaker 10: fully to deliver. No, I don't on his policies with
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  Speaker 10: the Netsera who was backing Labor on it. He backed
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  Speaker 10: them on the treaty handing over land to Aboriginal corporations.
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  Speaker 10: He's not for nuclear so I don't think he's got
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  Speaker 10: the answers for the juvenile crime that's happening in Queensland.
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  Speaker 10: So hopefully if we can pick it up. I don't
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  Speaker 10: believe Christphully will win government in his own right. They'll
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  Speaker 10: be relying on the cross bench to actually prop them
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  Speaker 10: up give them government. So we just hope that we're
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  Speaker 10: part of that cross bench to actually have a balanced
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  Speaker 10: power in the parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting to hear these criticisms of Christoph fu Lee. I
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  Speaker 2: was in queens Down a couple of weeks ago, spoke
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  Speaker 2: to a lot of LMP people and mixed opinions. Some
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  Speaker 2: argue that he's very smart keeping a small target. He
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't want the nuclear argument, he doesn't want these other debates.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: He wants to focus on crime, law and order and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: get elected.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think he could be a stronger leader once elected,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: especially on those sorts of issues.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: No, I don't because he hasn't shown that strong leadership
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: as help position leader of the state. So that tells
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: me the type of leader is going to be. As
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: you said, you summed it up with Alban easiest leader
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: of the nation. People want that strong leadership. Stop being indecisive,
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: make decisions, go out and show people that you can
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: be a leader.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't believe he's got it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: I really don't. And if Chris, if you look at
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: the point, you know the other issue, big issue in
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: Queensland was the abortion laws that was passed by Labor
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: and support it by it, you know L and P
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: a few of their members actually support it. That's having
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: an abortion right up to the day before birth the
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: child and that child's left there to actually die without
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: any help or assistance. Now, if we're going to have
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: people in parliament that this is, this is very detrimental
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: to the next parliament. Do people want this of their
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: politicians so that it's actually murder? And that's what we
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: will if we have the balanced power push to have
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: that law overturned. Criminal justice is what is the policies
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: for this? I haven't heard anything from them. The people
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: are sick of the same rehetoric all the time. Make
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: some decisions, be a strong leader.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to have to.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Deliver on law and order because he's made big promises
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: in that regard. Just briefly back to the Middle East
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: issues and the domestic consequences.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: The AFP now.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Suggesting that they will charge people overflying the Hesbala flag.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Are you comforted by that at all? Given we've been
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: had a year of this sort of hatred on our streets.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I hope they.
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: I hope they do. And her masks symbol as well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: because HESBLA has three years ago was known as a
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: terrorist organization under federal law. It is elite will show
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: those symbols and if they do, I hope they are
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: charged with it. Let me just make a point of that,
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: isn't it. You know when the attacks had happened on
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: Israel last night, it was done on the eve of
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: their you know, the Jewish year New Year. But if
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: that happened to when Ramadam was happening, there would be
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: an outcry around the world. What is people saying about it?
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: Absolutely nothing. Your take on this, Chris, has been absolutely fantastic,
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: and it is right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: We have such a week leader in.
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: Anthony, Anthony Albaniasi and he is doing it for domestic
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: here for the votes from the Muslim votes. There's over
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: eight hundred and fifty thousand Muslims in this country, so
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: it comes down to the voting.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It's very sad to see. Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We'll catch up with you next week.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Pauline handsOn there live from Queensland. Now we're going to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: get to a break. On the other side of that,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have some more on that US report
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that destroys Labour's anti nuclear nonsense. To forget the Wednesday
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: wrangle coming up later, but I told you last night
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: about the US Department of Energy report that is dynamite
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: for the energy of debate here in Australia. The report
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: found that electricity would be thirty seven percent cheaper using
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: nuclear power with renewables rather than using renewables and storage only,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the model that Australia is trying here under the Labor government.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The report examines advanced.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: To nuclear power options and it promotes a tripling of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: nuclear power in the US and it finds very clearly
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that nuclear has an essential role in the energy transition
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: as a clean, firm compliment to renewables. For more on this,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: let me bring in Jasmin d from Global Nuclear Security
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Partners Australia during US Live from Perth.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you again, Jasmine.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: This reports is a brilliant piece of work, but I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: guess the findings of it won't have surprised you.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: No, Chris.
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: It is saying what the nuclear community here in Australia
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: has been saying for a long time that nuclear is
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: a great supplementation to renewables because having to build over
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: capacity and storage means that renewables is actually quite an
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: expensive venture and nuclear is a great way to get
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: that clean, reliable, firm energy.
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: Grid into a mix.
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: And Australia should be considering that, and.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: When it comes to costs, it focuses on some of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: those cost.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Advantages that labor and the greens and the tills all
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: seem to ignore, and that one of them is that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: when you build a nuclear power plant, it's a valuable
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: asset that will last at least eighty years. You don't
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: have to replace it every fifteen years like renewables. And
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: also you save on all that transmission cost because you
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: have a concentrated focus of power that has built near
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: transmission infrastructure already.
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it really highlighted that the levelized cost of electricity,
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: which is what has been used predominantly for energy modeling
• 24:57
  Speaker 13: in Australia, is not a would wigh to model nuclear
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: because it doesn't show the true benefits. Nuclear is energy dense,
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: so from a small uranium pellet you get large amounts
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: of energy, which means you can concentrate that power and
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: its transmission, as you were saying, into smaller areas, so
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: you're not having transmission lines spreading kilometers and kilometers across
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: the country trying to get electricity to where it's needed most.
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: And I think it was that part of the report
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: that really highlighted that the economics of nuclear are different
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: and we need to take that into account. Its operational
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: costs are low, Its power plant life cycle is really long.
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: You're looking at eighty plus years for these modern reactors,
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: and that's how we need to model if we were
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: going to introduce nuclear into our energy mix into the future.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is logical and all the facts back it up.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yet in Australia we still have political dinosaurs like this
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: banging on about costs.
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: Take Agiel the owner of lloy Yang, which is said
• 26:01
  Speaker 15: the cost of nuclear is prohibitive, or a Link which
• 26:04
  Speaker 15: has said nuclear energy is like looking for a unicorn
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: at the bottom of the garden.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Unicorns and nuclear.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Now, the point is we can look at what other
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: countries are doing, but they'll stick with the US because
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of this report.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They're building new nuclear reactors.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: They're going to build five to ten under one design
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: so they don't have to reinvent it along the way.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's obviously an efficient way to do it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And they're restarting retired nuclear reactors as we speak.
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: Yet, the US have been quite ambitious in its transition.
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: It's wanting to triple its capacity from one hundred gigawatts
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: to three hundred gigawatts in before twenty fifty and so
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: they have to be quite ambitious with these builds. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: they've learnt from the startup of Vogel three and four,
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: their most recent power plants, what they've learned and how
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: they can do it faster and more economically. And so
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: I think this report is highlighting some really great lessons
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: that Australia it could take on to embark on a
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: nuclear journey. It isn't the most effective, it isn't the
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: most expensive energy system. This report has proven that we
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: need to start having an adult conversation about nuclear in Australia.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, spot on. Thanks for joining us, Jasmine, I appreciate it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Jasmin d up there from Global Nuclear Security Partners. The
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: other thing the report focuses on is this is a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: new industry with high tech jobs and well paying jobs
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: benefiting regional communities as well.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: We'll go to a break. On the other side, I'm
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: going to catch up with Senator.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Sarah Hanson Henderson on the anti Semitism in our universities.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Plus you'll love catching up with Kristen Tate on the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: key takeouts from the VEEP debate. Let's talk some more
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: about how the anti Israel hatred in the Middle East
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: is playing out here in our own country.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I want to go to.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson. He joins US live from Canberra.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sarah. We're Parliamentary committee looked at
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: anti semitism in our universities. We all remember seeing Mark Scott,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the vice Chancellor of Sydney University, apologizing for failing the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: students and I would say failing the nation.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: But what's going to change as a result of this.
• 28:15
  Speaker 16: Well, Chris, I think already quite a bit has changed
• 28:18
  Speaker 16: after many months of seeing shocking anti Semitic incidents on
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: a number of university campuses. The worst, I think was
• 28:25
  Speaker 16: the University of Sydney. The vice Chancellor, Mark Scott has
• 28:29
  Speaker 16: now apologized and they are now reviewing all of their policies.
• 28:33
  Speaker 16: But much more needs to be done, and that's why
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: the Coalition continues to push for a judicial inquiry into
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: anti Semitism at Australian universities. I have to say it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: incredibly disappointing after we held that Senate inquiry into the bill,
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: and it's a bill also replicated by the great work
• 28:49
  Speaker 16: of Julie and Lisa in the House of Representatives. Very
• 28:52
  Speaker 16: disappointing labor has not supported a judicial inquiry because it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: desperately needed.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You've also got to get the universities to teach more
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: facts and history because the sort of protest, the sort
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of hatred we're seeing propagated against Israel is full of lies,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: full of incorrect information, full of ignorance. Surely our universities
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: are there to get rid of ignorance, not perpetuated.
• 29:18
  Speaker 16: Well, that's right, and that was one of the of
• 29:21
  Speaker 16: course important jobs of the Judicial Commission, and that is
• 29:25
  Speaker 16: to investigate all of the teachings of the universities, not
• 29:28
  Speaker 16: just the policies and procedures, but also how we can
• 29:31
  Speaker 16: change the law. Because frankly, what we have seen over
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: nearly twelve months since that horrific day last October is
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: shocking incidents of anti Semitism. The classroom invasions Chris, the encampments,
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: the treatment of visiting Tel Aviv academics, just ongoing protests
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: where the universities have failed to enforce their own rules.
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: It's just not good enough. And when we have this
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: sort of division on university campuses, that's not just I'm
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: bad for Jewish students. But it impacts entire university culture
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: and community. It is appalling for this country and we
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: need to do so much better. And that's why I
• 30:13
  Speaker 16: am shocked that the Prime Minister and the Albanezi government
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: have not even listened to their own anti Semitism envoy
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: Jillian Siegel, who strongly recommended a judicial commission, a judicial inquiry,
• 30:26
  Speaker 16: a commission of inquiry because of the systemic and embedded
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: nature of anti Semitism on campuses around this country.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Albinizi is clearly failing the country on all these issues.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: He is pathetic. He will not stand up for right
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: against wrong. He won't stand up for Israel. He won't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: even strongly condemn anybody who would be planning to protest
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: against Israel on the anniversary of October the seventh. It's
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: so clear cut that contest between humanity and barbarity, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: he won't actually make that clear.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Listen to your own colleague, Susan Lee, she gets it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: It is sickening and it's a vile reflection on the
• 31:07
  Speaker 17: individual's concerned that they would choose to march on such
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: an occasion. So it's always a difficult issue for the police,
• 31:16
  Speaker 17: but court orders need to be sought, and I don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: think anyone in law enforcement wants to see these protests
• 31:22
  Speaker 17: go ahead.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Why can't our own prime minister speak with that sort
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: of moral clarity, Well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 16: Chris, it is a shocking reflection of the weakness of
• 31:34
  Speaker 16: this government that they have not had the temerity to
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: stand up and say no such protest should go ahead
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: on the seventh of October. I mean, the Jewish community
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: around this country is grieving. They are still grieving the
• 31:46
  Speaker 16: loss of more than a thousand lives lost last October seven,
• 31:51
  Speaker 16: and it is frankly disgusting that this government and this
• 31:55
  Speaker 16: Prime Minister, including the Education Minister Jason Clare, in relation
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: to any hose protest at a university, would stand by
• 32:03
  Speaker 16: and allow this to happen. We must not see any
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: protest next Monday on what is a day of grief
• 32:11
  Speaker 16: and mourning for the Australian Jewish community.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Spot On, Senator, thanks so much for joining US.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Senator Sarah Henderson, their Victorian senator joining us live from
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: canber Now. I want to get to US politics and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: today's vice presidential debate was the final debate of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: presidential campaign because with Donald Trump ruling out another round
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: of debates with Kamala Harris.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: This was it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: The potential veeps went head to head and as I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: said to Kristen Tate, JD.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Vance cleaned up.
• 32:40
  Speaker 18: Jedvans had a phenomenal debate performance tonight.
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: Chris.
• 32:43
  Speaker 18: What we saw tonight was a clean Chris and effective
• 32:47
  Speaker 18: attack on Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz. And this helps
• 32:51
  Speaker 18: the Trump and the Trump campaign by quieting fears that
• 32:55
  Speaker 18: his ticket is sort of bombastick, out of control and
• 32:59
  Speaker 18: doesn't have the discipline, and also really put to bad
• 33:03
  Speaker 18: the accusations that you know, JD.
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: Evans is weird.
• 33:07
  Speaker 18: What we saw was not a weird person in any
• 33:10
  Speaker 18: way relative to disciplined person, so great perform inspiring.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Look, Jdvans is anything button weird. I mean he's the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: least weird person on the ticket for either side. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: mean I've followed him closely since his book came out
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. The thing is he's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: super smart and super accomplished and self made, and we
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: saw that tonight.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Obviously he was super sharp. But the thing is too Christian.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: People ask, you know, what does a vice presidential debate matter?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we can see it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: It matters who's vice president because they have a happy
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: knack have ended up being president.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Sometimes.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: We're seeing that now, of course, with Kamala Harris being
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the candidate at the moment, and I would have thought
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: most people would be reassured by seeing JD.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Evans because he looked presidential.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: He sure did.
• 34:01
  Speaker 18: And keep in mind, the race right now is so
• 34:04
  Speaker 18: tight that even if this VP debate moved the needle
• 34:08
  Speaker 18: one point half a point, whatever it is, it will
• 34:11
  Speaker 18: help whoever won the debate and won the debate tonight.
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: Clearly it was JD.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Vance.
• 34:16
  Speaker 18: So will this move the needle a lot? No, But
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: even if it moves a little needle a little bit,
• 34:22
  Speaker 18: chrisp that can make all the difference when you come
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: down to the wire like this in an election that
• 34:27
  Speaker 18: is just so tight.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing is too You on the Democrats side,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: we will know that SA Kamala Harris isn't very broad well.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Governor Tim Wills didn't impress many people on that. He
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: made so many stumbles and bumbles. Have a look at
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: this bit on the national security issue of the day.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: He seems to confuse Iran and Israel.
• 34:49
  Speaker 19: Let's keep in mind where this started. October seventh, Homash
• 34:52
  Speaker 19: terrorists massacred over fourteen hundred Israelis and took prisoners. I
• 34:58
  Speaker 19: ran our Israel's ability to be able to defend itself
• 35:03
  Speaker 19: as absolutely fundamental.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, areen Israel.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And by contrast, let's have a look at j DA
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Vance on the national security record of the previous Trump administration.
• 35:15
  Speaker 20: Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States,
• 35:19
  Speaker 20: you needed peace through strength. They needed to recognize that
• 35:22
  Speaker 20: if they got out of line, the United States global
• 35:24
  Speaker 20: leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Such a contrast there, Kristin Yes, JD.
• 35:33
  Speaker 18: Vance appeared very comfortable and confident, he knew what he
• 35:37
  Speaker 18: was talking about. Woltz was really bumbling, especially in the beginning.
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: He kind of got better as it went along, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 18: in the beginning you could tell he was just shocked
• 35:46
  Speaker 18: that he was standing there. He was thinking in his head,
• 35:48
  Speaker 18: how in the world did I even get here? And
• 35:51
  Speaker 18: he just he's not ready for prime time. I don't
• 35:54
  Speaker 18: know if you'll ever be ready because he just doesn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 18: seem very intelligent. And that really came through tonight. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 18: of course Kamala Harris is the same way. We see
• 36:03
  Speaker 18: that all the time with her word salads. So it
• 36:06
  Speaker 18: does not give one much confidence about how they would
• 36:09
  Speaker 18: govern if they're to win. In November.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Most of these debates we talk about the motor ideas
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and how biased they were in a scene that they
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: were trying to trip up JD.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Vans here.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But to give them credit, I did did far in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: one Zinga to govern the Walls, and he completely mangled it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I want to take the time to go through this
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: versus initially, have a look at the question and the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: why the governor starts to answer it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: the deadly Teneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, into the folks out there. It didn't get
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: at the top of this. Look.
• 36:56
  Speaker 19: I grew up in small, rural Nebraska.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Just incredible stuff.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: He's asked a question, he's being pinned for telling a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: blatant lie, and his answer is just to tell his
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: life story about a small town life and growing up
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in Nebraska.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He went for two minutes on this life story.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Avoiding the question, let's pick it up again when he's nearly.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: At the end.
• 37:22
  Speaker 19: My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was
• 37:24
  Speaker 19: good at, or whether it was being a good soldier,
• 37:26
  Speaker 19: or was being a good member of Congress, those are
• 37:28
  Speaker 19: the things that I think are the values that people
• 37:30
  Speaker 19: care about.
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: Governor. Just to follow up on that, the question was,
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: can you explain the notes and see.
• 37:37
  Speaker 19: All I said on this was is I got there
• 37:39
  Speaker 19: that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
• 37:43
  Speaker 19: that's what I've said.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: So I was in.
• 37:47
  Speaker 19: Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in
• 37:51
  Speaker 19: and from that I learned a lot of what needed
• 37:54
  Speaker 19: to be in governance.
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  Speaker 2: Christian, that's just a pulling. He's cool, hell lying, he
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: tries to avoid it. He's got nothing to say except
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: he misspike. It almost disqualifies him from public office.
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  Speaker 18: Well you would think so, But the Democrats do this
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  Speaker 18: all the time. All of them lie, especially Tim Woltz.
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  Speaker 18: I mean, he lied about serving in the war, consistently
• 38:17
  Speaker 18: implied that he faced combat during the War on Terror,
• 38:21
  Speaker 18: which he did not. He claimed his wife conceived through IVF,
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: which is a lie. He's misled consistently about his DUI.
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  Speaker 20: He lies, he lies, he lies.
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  Speaker 18: But you're correct that his handlers should have thought that
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: this question might have come up, given that it's one
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: of the biggest lies he's told, and he clearly wasn't
• 38:41
  Speaker 18: prepped for the question at all. He looked so uncomfortable there.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: It was just very cringe worthy and hopefully many of
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: the people watching who were not aware of his track
• 38:51
  Speaker 18: records of lies are starting to realize that this guy
• 38:55
  Speaker 18: has a habit of not telling the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just over a month to go, Christian, I expect
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: will see a bit more jd Vance and a bit
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  Speaker 2: less Tim Walls.
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  Speaker 20: Yes, I expect the same.
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  Speaker 18: I expect Kamala Harris's team to lock away Tim Waltz
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: and not allow them to do any more interviews like
• 39:12
  Speaker 18: they've done with Harris, because neither of their candidates can
• 39:15
  Speaker 18: face any questions.
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  Speaker 1: Great to talk to, Kristin. Catch you next week.
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  Speaker 18: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: How about that just a month ago in the election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Now, after the break the Wednesday wrangle with Liz Dora
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and Justin Smith, we're going to talk about racism at
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: their ABC you won't believe an interview with their managing
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: director David Addison, plus gender reveals, Well they're more like
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: idiocy reveals. Let's get into the wrangle with scott News
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: host list story here on the desk with me and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: columnists and broadcast to Justin Smith live from Melbourne.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Justin when we talk.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: About these planned protests to mark October the seventh. How
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: anybody who could who has any beef with Israel could
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: protest on October the seventh is beyond me. But it
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: looks like in Victoria at the moment there's no move
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  Speaker 2: to ban such a protest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I hope, I hope that changes.
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  Speaker 21: I mean, you know, we've got three lovers of free
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  Speaker 21: speech on this panel right now, but free speech doesn't
• 40:20
  Speaker 21: mean that it should be violent, and the mere fact
• 40:22
  Speaker 21: that they're holding it on this day means that it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 21: not going to be a peaceful protest. I mean, New
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: South Wales seemed to be taking the right steps to
• 40:30
  Speaker 21: do something about it. I really hope. I've got to say,
• 40:33
  Speaker 21: maybe I don't know what it is. We've got the
• 40:35
  Speaker 21: first bit of sunshine we've had in a very long
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: time here in Victorian. Maybe I'm just feeling overly optimistic,
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  Speaker 21: but I really think we're going to do something about it, yeah,
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  Speaker 21: and stop this protest from going ahead on the seventh.
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  Speaker 2: It just sickens me that any Australian would think this
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  Speaker 2: was appropriate. Now, and of course I respect the right
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  Speaker 2: of Palestinian people and other people to criticize Israel. I
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  Speaker 2: might have an argument with them, but they've got a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: legitimate point of view to make.
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  Speaker 1: But on that day you were doing nothing but glorifying
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  Speaker 1: a terrorist atrocity.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why it is a good move that the
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  Speaker 2: Labor Premier in New South Wales, Chris Mins, is seeking
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  Speaker 2: a court order to prevent such a protest.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listened to him.
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  Speaker 3: The police didn't believe that the march and protests could
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  Speaker 3: be done safely on Sydney streets and as a result,
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  Speaker 3: they believe they had no alternative but to make that
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  Speaker 3: application in the Supreme Court. I want to make it
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  Speaker 3: clear we completely support police's decision in relation to that application.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Lis, they all completely dropped the ball a year
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  Speaker 2: ago when we had those horrible protests in Sydney, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: they've done next to nothing since.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But they finally seem to show that, at least in
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: their words, they get it.
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  Speaker 22: Who know they have a red line. But like you
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  Speaker 22: just pointed out, this is all just words, and we've
• 41:47
  Speaker 22: heard a lot of great words from this premiere regarding
• 41:51
  Speaker 22: hate speech. Still nothing's happened to the hate preachers in
• 41:54
  Speaker 22: Western Sydney. We know of at least five of them,
• 41:57
  Speaker 22: barely a slap on the wrist they've received than the
• 42:00
  Speaker 22: media coverage that US and others have supplied on the issue.
• 42:04
  Speaker 22: But this goes to show apparently there is some sort
• 42:07
  Speaker 22: of red line. It will be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 22: what the Supreme Court does with regard to this. Personally,
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  Speaker 22: I think it's complete bs that the state has now
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  Speaker 22: made it mandatory to apply to have a protest. It
• 42:20
  Speaker 22: kind of undermines our freedom to protest in and of itself.
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  Speaker 22: But certainly, as you and many others have pointed out
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  Speaker 22: October seventh, this is just unprecedentedly and unnecessarily provocative. You
• 42:36
  Speaker 22: can have these protests, and they have been having these
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  Speaker 22: protests any other day.
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  Speaker 13: Of the year.
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  Speaker 22: Have some basic respect for the savage loss of life
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  Speaker 22: that we saw on October sety.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to deal with the freedom of speech argument.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that having that sort of protest on
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that day is effectively an incitement to violence. It's endorsing
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  Speaker 2: a horrifically violent act. Let's have a look at Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: He's got moral clarity on this. Even though the Prime
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Minister is awol.
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  Speaker 11: I hope that Victoria can follow suit with the new
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  Speaker 11: South Wales police application to the court to stop what
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: would be a grotesque gathering to celebrate the death of
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  Speaker 11: the slaughter of twelve hundred people in Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Albernizi is every which way on this issue,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: whether it's the domestic consequences or the global situation. He's
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I had my say about this at the top of
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the program. He's a refresher of the sorts of things.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Albanizi is saying.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we regard Hesbelah as a terrorist organization, as we
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: regard hamas as a terrorist organization. We have been working
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: with like minded countries and issuing appropriate statements such as
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: the one that I referred.
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  Speaker 2: To justin give me a defense of elbow here. I mean,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I just think it's weak and pathetic. He does nothing
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: to support Israel, and he says that he's fighting terrorist
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: groups with a statement.
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  Speaker 21: Well, I'm not going to give him defense. I will, however,
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: give him some free advice for starters. Too many words,
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  Speaker 21: Prime Minister. And secondly, it couldn't have been an easier honestly,
• 44:13
  Speaker 21: it couldn't. It would have been one of the easiest
• 44:15
  Speaker 21: questions he got that day is how do you feel
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  Speaker 21: about this anyone gathering on October seven? You know, not
• 44:22
  Speaker 21: only are we concerned about the people that are going
• 44:23
  Speaker 21: to do it, but what it is actually going to
• 44:26
  Speaker 21: stir up. So, I mean, it's just whether they're inciting violence,
• 44:30
  Speaker 21: but it is it is just, you know, conjuring up violence.
• 44:34
  Speaker 21: So we just can't look. I really don't know where
• 44:37
  Speaker 21: his head's at sometimes for these things.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Well it's shocking. You give us your short version on
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: just how weak Elbow is on these issues.
• 44:43
  Speaker 22: Well, he's not winning either side. So for a long
• 44:46
  Speaker 22: time we've been saying, oh, Labor's just shilling for the
• 44:48
  Speaker 22: Muslim vote. We know that that is abjectly failing, especially
• 44:52
  Speaker 22: in those Western Sydney seats that we highly suspect is
• 44:54
  Speaker 22: why they're doing it. And any lip service to Israel
• 44:59
  Speaker 22: is completely lost on everyone because there's absolutely no action to.
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  Speaker 8: Back it up.
• 45:05
  Speaker 22: So whatever he's trying to do here, his fence sitting
• 45:08
  Speaker 22: is costing him on both sides of the argument.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to move to the ABC and this
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: report that has found a lot of racism right across
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the ABC.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't like taking up your time on the wrangle, but.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I've got to show a long clip here because it
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: just sort of is the ab season of disappearing up
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: its own kloaka here as the Managing director submits to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the interview. Of course it has to be with an
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: indigenous journalist. I have a listened to how they introduce it,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: just to get things started.
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  Speaker 23: Hello, welcome Jinjiwaller in the language of my ancestors, the
• 45:42
  Speaker 23: Bungelong people of the far North Coast of New South Wales.
• 45:45
  Speaker 23: Thank you Managing Director David Anderson for joining us here
• 45:49
  Speaker 23: on this really momentous occasion. Is really significant that we
• 45:53
  Speaker 23: take the opportunity to step into this new space as
• 45:57
  Speaker 23: I would like to call it, that's been created today
• 46:00
  Speaker 23: where we reflect on the legacy of what has been
• 46:05
  Speaker 23: reflected on in this review and the steps that are
• 46:08
  Speaker 23: being outlined into there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: It is we're going to keep going with this. You know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: we've been going well over half a minute.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: This will go for a minute and a half before
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: we get anyone actually talking to the issue.
• 46:17
  Speaker 23: In respects to elders past and present, and just respecting
• 46:21
  Speaker 23: the manner in which that we have this conversation to
• 46:24
  Speaker 23: start off with, David Anderson, for you as managing director,
• 46:28
  Speaker 23: coming through this process from fifteen months ago when this
• 46:31
  Speaker 23: was announced, what are you reflecting on today as you
• 46:34
  Speaker 23: step through the testimony of some one hundred and twenty
• 46:37
  Speaker 23: ABC staff who have shared some really deeply painful moments
• 46:41
  Speaker 23: of their experience here working at the ABC.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks Miriam.
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  Speaker 21: Look, I'd also like to acknowledge the traditional custodians the
• 46:48
  Speaker 21: land upon which we're meeting today, the gatical people of
• 46:51
  Speaker 21: the or nation, and pay my respects to elders past
• 46:54
  Speaker 21: and present.
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  Speaker 1: Boh I finished, it's unbelievable. Well, what planet are they on?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable.
• 47:05
  Speaker 22: I thought that after due the survey that they ran
• 47:09
  Speaker 22: in June July, the in house survey that which was
• 47:12
  Speaker 22: on sexual harassment and bullying, which found a quarter of
• 47:15
  Speaker 22: ABC staff said that they'd been bullied, thirteen percent said
• 47:19
  Speaker 22: they'd experienced sexual harassment over the last two years, that
• 47:22
  Speaker 22: these guys would just stop running in house surveys, because
• 47:25
  Speaker 22: this is a classic case of sikh and ye shall find.
• 47:29
  Speaker 22: And now David Anderson obviously has to be called before
• 47:33
  Speaker 22: the court of public opinion and all the believers, hardcore
• 47:36
  Speaker 22: ABC believers at home, who have now found out that
• 47:39
  Speaker 22: their adored media corporation is completely and utterly rife with racism.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Now, look, I know, justin you've got friends at the ABC,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: so have I, and you get a gig there every
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: now and then.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But honestly, I.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Don't even know if he said anything because everyone tuned out.
• 47:56
  Speaker 21: Yeah, but look, I'm going to say I'll put you
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: up on something, Chris, if I don't mind. I don't
• 48:00
  Speaker 21: like the fact that you point out that the person
• 48:03
  Speaker 21: asking the question is indigenous. I don't know what that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 21: going to.
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  Speaker 8: Better than that. I don't know how mad you care
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: about those things.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: This is my point.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: That's an issue for the.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well they pointed that out.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a bit rough. I think that's
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: a bit rough.
• 48:20
  Speaker 21: I know how much you care about indigenous issues, but
• 48:23
  Speaker 21: I think that's rough that that's got to be point
• 48:25
  Speaker 21: out before you you made fun of it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: Now only you can go ahead and make fun of it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: That's fine.
• 48:29
  Speaker 21: I think the ABC has done a good job in
• 48:31
  Speaker 21: actually having this thing, and maybe maybe a few more
• 48:35
  Speaker 21: organizations inside the media and outside the media should be
• 48:39
  Speaker 21: having these kind of investigations, all right, they turn up
• 48:42
  Speaker 21: or maybe.
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: Some of them are worried about what that's found.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I hate to cut you off when you're criticizing me,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: but we are right out of time, and my point
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: was to highlight how the ABC was making the thing
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: about having an indigenous presenter to do with this. Thanks
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: for wrangling again, Lizen justin where over time now, I'll
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: be back tomorrow night at five is Lady Credline mm
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: hm
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  Speaker 11: Hm