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Yoreh De’ah 190:11. Niddah: Kesem, Stains: Undergarments, Sanitary Napkins and Pads; Location and Assumptions · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We're going to continue with DNA
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  of Kassem or Ksamim. Simon Kuftzadi, we are at Yud
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  Olive today. So again Kuftzadi, see if Yud
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  Olive. Just going to take a quick
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  moment to discuss I guess a couple issues.
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  Cotton is cotton macabre tuma, so if it's turned into to
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  clothing, so it's a mahlocas just the kids are I'll just a
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  few names, Maginavra and Mishnagura Shivan Levi Kuchani
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  and Tara Tabait, for example, I'll ask in its tower.
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  So cotton garments are cannot be macabre tuma.
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  So if there's a stain and spotting, even if it's the size
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  of a grease, it will not make a woman tamaya.
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  However, we're going to get to undergarments in a moment.
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  That makes a big difference. And Mara Cohen Mashima of El
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  Yashi holds its because it's fashioned into clothing.
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  It is metame. It is macabo tuma.
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  OK, that's as far as cotton garments.
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  Now what about undergarments? Because they are tightly pressed
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  again, normal tightly, right? They're worn right up against
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  the skin. Also Malcolm, Malcolm Irva and
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  it's it's it's right there. Now I'm discussing any
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  undergarments, any undergarments.
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  The question is if they're not macabo tuma.
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  If it's macabo tuma and it's white, so then there's no it has
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  all the regular genium of Ketan. What about if it's something
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  that's you would normally not say it has a den of Ketzen is
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  undergarments or anything that's pressed up against the
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  Elsomachum and it's it's basically seals it off.
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  Does that change? Or if it's tightly against it?
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  Let's we'll we'll wait for the the other caveat.
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  So anyways, so undergarments, right, The underwear, it's right
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  up against your skin in that area.
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  So therefore it's a, it's a discussion.
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  Some hold in other words, I'll post this we 'cause I don't
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  really discuss it. We always just have the column
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  that we had in the Shokanara and they did not wear undergarments
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  right around their skin that way.
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  So it wasn't an issue. Some post scheme nowadays hold
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  that she is Timaea. There is DNA ketam for
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  undergarments even all right, we're not talking about an
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  undershirt, we're talking about underwear, right?
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  That's even if it's colored and even if no colored, again, it
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  depends if you can establish it's red.
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  So Shyla's clock on that one. But the main issue we're
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  discussing right now is let's say white cotton undergarments
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  underwear. So since it's tightly against
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  her some hold it has the same din as her skin, her flesh
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  Bisara and when it comes to viscera, even though we
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  normally. Say that.
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  Cotton, Yeah, even though we most pinions hold cotton is not
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  macabre tumor. So let's go on that one.
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  Synthetic garments, cotton garments that, that on the
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  assumption it's not macabre tumor, right.
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  Certainly if it's a macabre tumor, there's a dinicatum if
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  it's not macabre tumor. So then since it's against her
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  skin, it has the same den as Viv Sarah as her skin.
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  And therefore there are some certain humras by Viv Sarah
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  versus garments we mentioned. So therefore there is a den of
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  ketam, even if the garments not macabo Tuma another another
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  again, I think it's a Dasyaki, but another reasoning for some
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  who are a Mahmar to say that it's she has a den of Quetta is
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  Dinamasa. We're not going to get into that
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  now, but there's a den of tumantara of Masa, and that
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  creates an an an extra issue get carrying, you know, tumas, masa
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  Mamas sin aleph, but not for today.
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  Just that was just to be complete.
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  Now the opinions that say it's she's Tahor Lamaisa.
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  So I just one opinion to throw out there is Tara Sabias.
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  But ask your Rav and a couple of opinions to say it's she has a
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  has a den of Tamaya of Ketem. That's Cheva de Levy and
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  Khutshani. So that's when it comes to
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  cotton garments. Now, what about pads?
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  Sanitary napkins, Sanitary pads. So what's the din on that one?
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  So a little bit similar to what we just talked about, cotton.
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  So a woman, she's wearing pads. Again, we're not talking about
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  tampons, that is, it's a Bedika spineme.
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  But we're talking about just pads or napkins.
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  It's worn right tight against the skin, right between there
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  and the underwear. So what's the din?
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  So some are Mochmer. Why?
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  In other words? Well, the first, some say it is
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  macabre tuma because it acts as a as a base kibble.
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  It's made as a receptacle to catch the and it's not a real
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  cup, but it is made to act as a receptacle to catch and hold the
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  blood. So therefore it has a din of
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  it's mishamish kakli Kibo, right?
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  It acts as one and therefore it is macabo tuma.
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  That's one opinion. Another one is we mentioned beef
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  Sarah. We consider her skin because
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  it's against her skin. Now the reasoning for those who
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  are Mahmir is because it's a masa, you should has a din of
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  masa and therefore it doesn't have to have that same base
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  Kibo. Another opinion holds it's has a
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  din of a Malbush because it's pressed up against her
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  undergarments. So it becomes bottle and
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  whatever applies to the undergarments.
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  Again, we already we discussed that whether it is or isn't.
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  But since it's pressed up against it, it follows the the
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  Malbush and therefore it is considered a base kibble.
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  I mean it's considered a able to be a macabo tuma.
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  Another reasoning is because, so this is another Kashash that we
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  mentioned before that when a woman has her period, we assume
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  it's Tamaya. She's Tamaya de Araisa, even if
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  there's no Hagasha and you don't apply all the rules of kettam.
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  So when a woman's wearing pads, it can absorb a lot and you
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  might not see a lot at first. Again, what is that amount?
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  Where does the period count? All that's it's very it's not
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  clear in the postscheme at all, but this is goes into one of the
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  reasons and reasonings why if a woman has a pad, some will hold
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  if there's a ketam cause the size of a grease, some will say
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  she is tamaya because really maybe it's a lot more than a
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  grease and it's the beginning of her period and therefore it's a
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  din of Tamaya da Raisa not even bound by the rules of ketam.
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  So those are all the rationales, the reasonings for those who say
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  it's asser we will retreat her as a Tamaya and the reasonings
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  for those who say it's not it's she's mutter 100% right, because
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  we're talking about spotting right.
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  It's not a Badika spinium and therefore we have all the rules
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  of Ketan and all the Kulas that come along with ketan.
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  So again, what are the reasonings is it's not a
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  material that's macabre tuma. It is not a cup in the shape of
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  a base kibble to receive. So therefore, again, it's not
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  macabre tuma. Also, the garment is too small.
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  We mentioned that in order for again, it depends on the size,
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  but we did mention it potentially it's too small that
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  there is a minimum shear of three by three.
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  It's about that area. And if it's so, if that Beckett
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  is too small, it doesn't it's not macabre Tuma and it can't
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  follow the rules of and it follows the rules of KSAMI and
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  it's not macabre tuma and therefore his sheet remains
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  Sahara. Also, it's not woven.
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  It's not a woven baguette. It's it's so that's another
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  reasoning. And it's not worn as a baguette.
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  You don't take it on and off. It's just a pad.
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  It doesn't resemble A baguette and therefore it's not a
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  baguette and it's not macabre tuma.
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  So those are the two basic lines as far As for each one I and
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  Sham and there's you know, for their for their proofs or or
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  not, just to mention some names. Tara Sabaya says she's Tahoor
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  Sheva de Levi and Raviolyashi if Paskin that she's Tamaya or that
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  right, this item can make her Tamaya if it's like a Greece of
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  blood. And I saw quoted with shame of
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  show Mozam and Arabach. He holds that pads or any of
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  these napkins and bandages. They're not in a Kabul Tuma.
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  But I didn't, I don't know what he says in regard to pads
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  because pads there is 2 issues we discussed.
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  One is macabre tuma, the other one is it might have a din of
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  beef Sara. So we know he holds it's not
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  macabre tuma. But I don't know if he would use
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  the parameter of beef Sara to make her tumay or not.
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  So that's yeah, thank you. Let's see of a forest he just
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  has. I don't know how relevant it is
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  practically, but I'll just mention it.
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  I didn't think about it enough. He says one way to avoid an
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  issue to remain to remain Tahora.
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  For those Machmer opinions, as he says, where right?
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  If you want to avoid spotting making yourself Tahora, it's
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  just to remain Tahora and you're going to be a mockamore.
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  According to the mockamore opinions, he says wear 2
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  underwears, colored underwear and colored napkins and put them
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  in between to catch the beginning of the bleeding.
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  And then this way you will avoid, at least according to
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  most opinions, the problem of Katyn.
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  Yeah. OK, or you can dye your clothing
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  red or food coloring whatever. OK, fine, same idea.
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  So that takes care of that intro.
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  And then when we finish, you and Olive, we're just going to
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  discuss one more time undergarments because we're
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  going to we, you'll see changes a lot of things.
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  The next 20 CFM, I'm going to be lots of examples.
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  Principles are important, but the actual examples are not so
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  relevant. You'll see based on our
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  lifestyle and based on our undergarments, we'll see that
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  some of these are not as practical as they used to be.
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  So let's start, let's start going through it.
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  Yudalov lo biko maqam Shim sashankatim timae just because
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  she finds red on her garments, she's not necessarily going to
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  become Timaea. Depends Ella Malcolm EF sheba
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  sham minamakor. It has to be where it's possible
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  that it can reach there, right? We're going to discuss this at
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  the end regarding because now we have undergarments.
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  It really seals the area. But let's let's focus on the
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  examples from Fazal. So right, she was not wearing
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  underwear and she's wearing, let's say, a skirt, a dress,
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  whatever down to the floor. And so that's the normal
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  scenario. So it has to be reasonable on
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  the clothing that's you see the spotting of red of blood that
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  it's possible it came from the Mufflemere, right from the McCoy
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  relief from the fine, the inside of the direction.
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  Kate said how, how? Let's see Nimza al Aqeva Tamaya
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  if you find it on her heel, she's going to be Tamaya because
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  it's very possible that it can reach there.
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  As they point out, it's in particular, it's not, it's
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  possible. Again, you don't have to know or
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  not know, but since it's it's objectively possible, let's say
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  a woman sits in a in a cross legged position.
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  So it's very easy, for example, for it to reach there.
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  I mean, it can drop, but also it's can get really close.
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  You just sit like that. In Hebrew it's yeshiva Mizrahit
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  and or in Natas it's called Kadera Khayushama alien.
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  So that's that type of sitting. OK, let's go on the chain in
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  Nimsa alka ore shoko parsotea mebifinim along anywhere along
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  the inside of her thighs, her legs, her feet.
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  Those are all areas where the blood can reach the hem on the
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  como tanidubakim ZE baze, the aichita almod right?
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  They touch there in that area. They touch to each other when
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  she's standing right to the back regal by regal and her legs
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  touch each other and it can jump from one.
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  OK, let's keep reading. The shook bashouk shook beshouk
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  the hen. I am nimza al rush good al
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  raglia. If it also reaches the big toe,
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  that's also we say reasonable for it to reach there.
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  So we say she's Tamea Nicole Chicane al Raglia Mamas
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  certainly on on on her legs. This says that.
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  The derfish Mahabian is like when it sits with its feet
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  under. The the feet, the feet under the
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  buttocks. Oh, under, under their under
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  their buttocks. You're right.
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  OK. So like the Muslims when they
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  when? They not exactly our cross
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  legged different. OK, fine.
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  Under the under the. OK OK, OK.
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  Oh, like when bowing down. You're right, You're right.
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  You're right. OK, I added that on to the side
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  thinking and today I was putting them together.
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  But you're right. The two separate things. 1 is
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  like the bowing down position or kneeling position.
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  That's the Taza's example or but any, any, the bottom line is it
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  can reach there. OK, fine.
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  Touching. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  OK. The thing in Nimza, al yadda, a
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  few all Kishra, it's built now that the fingers, the hands,
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  that's all areas that can reach there because our hands will
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  move around without us even realizing.
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  I'm actually like looking down on myself right now and just
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  realized I didn't even realize my hands were there.
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  Just. Your hands can be anywhere
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  without even realizing even while you're awake.
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  So that is right. We know that by sleeping it's
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  certainly but even even when you're awake.
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  So that is another area right hands.
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  We if you see blood on your hands, that's a problem.
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  That's beef Sarah that what we say is a ketam, the Shema Nagu
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  BA OSO Malcolm is maybe the hands touched in that area of
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  all in Neemsa al Shukel, the AL Parsa Teya.
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  Let's add hoots or Philo Miat stadium, the Ansari Klomar la
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  mala me OSO Malcolm Tahara. But if a person, a woman, sees
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  blood on her clothing or in her body, above a waist, above where
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  it can be or on the outside of her legs, we say she is to hara.
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  We assume it comes from somewhere else.
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  And as the Taos puts it, we aim maxiquinan tuma MI makum le
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  makum. We don't assume that maybe it
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  went from the inside of the leg to the outside of the leg, the
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  inside of the foot and then move to like we don't go for the, you
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  know, the third or the tertiary or the third, right?
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  There's the mukilm Erva. Then it could go to one place,
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  but we don't assume it's going to bounce around or even the
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  hands are going to make it move all around and that we don't we
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  don't go that far. So therefore, OK, the EEM, let
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  me see, right? And we say she's, as a shock,
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  points out, we say she's Tahara even if she didn't go to a place
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  as long as it's above her, above her waist or on the outside of
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  her body. We don't say that.
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  Maybe we say for sure she's Tahara, even if she has no idea
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  that she went to a place where there's red or there's blood,
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  like she went to a shook of a slaughterhouse.
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  Even if she didn't go to any place where there's red paint.
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  We no matter what, since it's not likely to come from the
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  McCord, we say she's Tahara. OK, let's continue.
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  Vimyodacha nis dakra. If we know, though she did some,
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  I don't know, aerobic exercise or just some movement, some
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  stretching, somersaults, whatever she did that she he
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  could be a raglia lamala. But if she knows she lifted up
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  her legs above you know wherever you know the waist, however,
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  wherever could have lifted to become Malcolm.
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  So then once we find it on her then and it can go above, then
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  we say she is right since she gave a possibility of it going
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  of the but being upwards we say that maybe that touched the
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  garments and therefore she became tamaya.
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  OK, I guess the amexiquin and tuma in Malcolm Malcolm by the
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  taz was by the hands, but OK, let's yeah, the torso does like
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  that so much. OK, fine, so I and sham, but OK,
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  but doesn't change that doesn't change the halacha.
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  What's an abstraction arc? Fine, Vidafka one second, but
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  keep reading what we just said. You have to keep reading
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  Vidafka, because yeah, we have to make when we read this, see
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  if we have to make a distinction between the skin and the
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  clothing. OK, so let's keep reading as far
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  as when you're Tola to the shook the slaughterhouse or she was
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  dealing with others stains or dyes or paint.
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  So let's keep reading the Dafka Kishanimza al bisar Alavad.
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  Now, if it goes above your waist, so then we say you're
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  she's for sure Timaea, right? We didn't catch them if it was
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  on her skin above the waist. If it was on clothing above even
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  that was even if she goes by the slaughterhouse.
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  But if it's on clothing above the waist, then we can say no.
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  What takes precedence on our assumption is we say it was from
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  the slaughterhouse or the Dai is in pain she was dealing with.
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  So it's a little hierarchy of where you assume vadam al
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  khaluka, vadav Kaminisalabasar, That's what we said.
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  That's what we just read before aval IM nimsa al basar vagama
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  khaluka. If you find it only on the
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  clothing or on the skin and the clothing, then we say IM avra
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  bashukshalta bahim anitaska bakhtamim.
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  Then she was in a place where there's blood, in a place where
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  there's paint. So then toleba Bain, when we're
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  talking about paint that might look like blood, obviously.
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  So then toleba Bain shanim salamata Mehagora should be a
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  regular venim salamala mehagor. Then it makes no difference.
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  We always say she's taller. We all if it's on the garments
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  then we always are a Mako and assume it's from the from the
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  the slaughterhouse. But from clothing for the skin
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  we're more Mahumar and we say it came from the makor but medivar.
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  But it all depends on each case individual the Mitzius and OK
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  bermedvari memoriam. What are we saying?
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  This applies kisha nimza khatim al bisara bilvat en atola.
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  But if it's on only when it's on the skin, we're not told on
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  that. Now we just said the skin takes
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  precedence of Humora and we don't assume it came from the
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  from the slaughterhouse. But however, again an important
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  but about him Yesh maka begufa shekhola litlod bash EFSA shevo
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  adami MENA told about it. But what's even more important
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  takes precedence is a dumb maka. If a woman has some kind of a
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  wound where there is bleeding from it or there was bleeding
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  from it and maybe the scab opened up, if there is potential
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  bleeding from blood from the wound on her skin, on her body,
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  that we assume 1st. And so that takes us Lakula.
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  We say it didn't come from the macor, it came from Imaka from
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  her wound. But then afterwards, then the
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  hierarchy is skin and then you can only afterwards, then you go
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  to the the slaughterhouse. OK, the Imamaka biktafela
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  vakhatim al Yuri haba Malcolm SH EF charlevonne hamaka temea.
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  But it has to be a maca that can reach the area where she got the
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  ketam. If it's if it's in an area that
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  can't reach other than moving it with your hands, right?
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  The hands is really the for sure the the thing that we're not we
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  don't rely on, but if it's the maca where it's on her shoulder
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  and there's no way I don't know, maybe on her back, whatever this
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  situation is and there's no way to be right.
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  It depends where you find the cat down.
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  But if you have no way to be lethal that it went there, you
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  know, rationally, reasonably so then she stays to Maya and we
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  assume it came from the macor. Again, everything needs it's a
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  cult and why is common sense whatever.
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  Anyway, just to point out something nowadays because of
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  garments that are underwear nowadays, which is generally
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  speaking, where it's sealing the area.
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  So again, we'll probably we'll continue tomorrow reading.
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  Hopefully we'll get through most of the next run of CE theme,
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  which are all basically examples and applications of what we
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  already learned The but the main you saw that's important is
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  nowadays when women have the area completely sealed.
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  So that changes that changes everything, right, Because you
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  can't be Tola. So Lacula, it means that if you
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  find blood spots on your pants or on your skirt, on your
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  whatever she's wearing or shirt, whatever it is, socks, whatever
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  it is, you are not going to. But her undergarment is white
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  and clean and there's nothing there or whatever.
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  It's clean and it can't get out. There's no way for it to get
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  there. If it's always there, then women
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  are. It depends.
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  But if part of the day she doesn't wear, she walks around
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  or I don't know. But whatever it is, as long as
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  it's always covered and sealed and it you, as long as that's
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  clean from any bleeding and you see something somewhere else,
• 24:38
  then you always assume it came from somewhere else because it
• 24:41
  can't get there. It's as if it's on the top half
• 24:44
  the of the body from the cases of the of the mission and the
• 24:47
  Chauchnair. So therefore wearing
• 24:50
  undergarments makes a great cooler for Tamim, right for the
• 24:54
  rest of her clothing, obviously not for the not for the
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  undergarments, not for the underwear that she's wearing
• 24:59
  right around the area. But it also means if that area
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  has bleeding, then generally if you see spots on her
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  undergarment that's sealed in that area, you often, again, it
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  depends on the situation, but you often can't now be told on
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  going to the slaughterhouse or dealing with paint because it
• 25:18
  goes it goes both ways, mostly Lakula, but it does go both
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  ways. That was just pointed out from
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  shave it allevi and piscate Tahara and and see others far.