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Chased by Pee-wee Herman · Large Nerdron Collider

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Speaker 1: The Large nerdron Collider podcast is a production of I
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey everybody, Welcome to the Large nerdrun Collider,
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Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
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Speaker 1: the world around us and how very excited we are
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Speaker 1: about them. I'm Ariel casting, and with me, as always
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Speaker 1: is the super Jonathan Strickland. Ariel, I have a question
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Speaker 1: for you, considering that we are talking about super stuff,
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Speaker 1: flight or invisibility. Classic question. Yeah, so I I had
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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to have to go with invisibility.
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Speaker 1: I've had dreams all the time where like I'm a
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Speaker 1: kid and I can fly, but it's never like high
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Speaker 1: up in the air. It's always like you start running
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Speaker 1: and then you're just a foot above the ground. I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of afraid of heights and falling, so uh, I
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Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to fly. However, I do
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Speaker 1: LARP and invisibility would be hilarious. I would never lose
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Speaker 1: a module. What about you, You'd be peeping in the
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Speaker 1: locker room. I understand, I got you. I know where
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Speaker 1: you're coming from. You. I go with flight because I'm
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Speaker 1: not a deviant like you. I like the idea of
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Speaker 1: being able to travel wherever I want, whenever I want,
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Speaker 1: soaring through the air majestically like some sort of bald pigeon. Yes,
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Speaker 1: flight for me all the way. I'm not I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna do that whole like like invisible Man, creepy motif.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a creepy motif. Look, I'm
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Speaker 1: just gonna hide in the woods and jump out at people.
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Speaker 1: You're right, that's I don't know what I was thinking.
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Speaker 1: Flying anywhere you want, any time you want is not
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Speaker 1: great because let's say you want to fly to Hawaii.
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Speaker 1: You didn't say that super strength comes with your flights.
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Speaker 1: So you're just gonna be carrying that very heavy suitcase
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Speaker 1: with you through their all the way to Hawaii're gonna
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Speaker 1: get so much perfect. I played on just buying everything.
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Speaker 1: Once I get there, I'm gonna go to first stop
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Speaker 1: in Hawaii, retail outlet, mall. Second stop in Hawaii, the beach,
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe the Pokah Act, because that that plaze is
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Speaker 1: the bomb. Okay, well, we've got We've got that, but
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Speaker 1: and we have news to cover. But before we get
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Speaker 1: to any of that aerial I've got some fast breaking news.
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Speaker 1: Here's the breaking news. It's super important. George Clooney has
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Speaker 1: signed on to become an executive producer and star of
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Speaker 1: a TV series Buck Rogers. Okay, oh that's great. What
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Speaker 1: what details do we have on that? George Clooney has
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Speaker 1: signed on to be an executive producer and star of
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Speaker 1: of a new Buck Rogers TV show. That's all I got.
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Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't I guess it wasn't that important. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's something to possibly look forward to, so that,
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Speaker 1: you know, in a couple of months when we get
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Speaker 1: details about it, you go, oh, yeah, I remember that.
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Speaker 1: I like Buck Rogers. Did you ever watch the TV
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Speaker 1: series The Camp, like nineteen seventies era? Oh? Man, I
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Speaker 1: watched that too, And whenever I think about that, I
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Speaker 1: think of mel Blank doing the voice of Tweaky, the
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Speaker 1: little robot Bat bat bat. Uh. So I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: it's going to be the same, especially since I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure they're going to go back to the original reference material,
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Speaker 1: which doesn't have a spunky little sidekick robot. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I saw that news and thought, well, we should include
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Speaker 1: this because you know, it's it's a nostalgic for for
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Speaker 1: me and you and all the young listeners out there
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Speaker 1: are like what buck who that? You know what? It's
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Speaker 1: okay because the next news item we have is four
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Speaker 1: young listeners, uh, which is that the Guinness Book of
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Speaker 1: World Records is trying to do, uh like make is
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Speaker 1: set a record of the most people singing a song
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Speaker 1: from the Greatest Showman ever. So let's say it's a
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Speaker 1: big collaborative effort, right that You're going to have the
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Speaker 1: most people singing and they're going to create a collaborative
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Speaker 1: video of all these different people singing a particular song
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Speaker 1: from the Great Showman, which is from now on. Uh.
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Speaker 1: They are trying to get at least five thousand participants.
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Speaker 1: It is a benefit for the Actor's Fund, which, if
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Speaker 1: you are not familiar, is is a financial fund for
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Speaker 1: the Broadway actors who really need it right now since
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Speaker 1: Broadway is still closed a year later and probably will
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Speaker 1: be for most of one Unfortunately, I want to go
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Speaker 1: see my shows. I know me too. But as of
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Speaker 1: listening to this episode, you can still be a part.
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Speaker 1: They want you to record the video and challenge for
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Speaker 1: friends using the hashtag b Way World Record uh and
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Speaker 1: share it on social media. They also say that you
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Speaker 1: can tag Broadway stars and challenge them. You know that
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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman is going to be part of this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they've already got some actors committed. They've got Alice Ripley
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Speaker 1: from Next to Normal, John tartag Lea from Avenue Q,
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Speaker 1: Kristen Anderson Lopez from Frozen, and Jay Armstrong Johnson from
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Speaker 1: Family the Opera. Uh, and you can be a part
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Speaker 1: of this up until February, which is the deadline. I
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Speaker 1: think I think I'll give this one a skip because
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Speaker 1: my singing voice isn't strong enough off and also, uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm at best a casual fan of the
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Speaker 1: Greatest Showman. At best, I was about to say, like,
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Speaker 1: they don't say anything about having to sing it. Well,
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Speaker 1: so that's just an excuse. But I do understand the
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Speaker 1: Greatest Showman I'm not a huge fan of. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I would have actually would have enjoyed it a lot
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Speaker 1: more if they had not said it was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be P. T. Barnum, because I had real issues with
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Speaker 1: the the lionization of P. T. Barnum, who was a
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Speaker 1: much more complicated person than the musical would have you understand.
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Speaker 1: But that's that's But I don't want to yuck. Anyone's
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Speaker 1: yeah either. I know a lot of people really love
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Speaker 1: The Greatest Showman and there's nothing wrong with loving it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's you do you for me? There
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Speaker 1: was one song in that show that I really loved
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Speaker 1: and another song that I liked, but but that was it.
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Speaker 1: Everything else neither of them are from now on fair enough.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is interesting to say they've gotten permission
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Speaker 1: from Disney to do this. Yes, yes, this is this
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Speaker 1: is something that's got full clearance. To me, It's again
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Speaker 1: another remarkable example of Disney giving the go ahead for
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Speaker 1: some creative uses of their properties, which, as we've pointed
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Speaker 1: out in previous episodes, is remarkable considering how protective Disney
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Speaker 1: has been of its I P in the past. Also
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Speaker 1: weird but delightful was the latest trailer for Raya in
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Speaker 1: The Last Dragon. I really, you know what, I hadn't
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Speaker 1: seen anything. I knew about this movie. I knew it
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Speaker 1: was coming out, but I hadn't seen any trailers. I
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Speaker 1: hadn't watched anything of it until we were making this episode.
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Speaker 1: And uh, and the trailer is. First of all, the
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Speaker 1: style looks amazing. They made Riya look like a total
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Speaker 1: um kick but warrior. I was trying to think of
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Speaker 1: a good family friendly way of saying it. She looks
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Speaker 1: amazing in it. The antagonist is, at least from what
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Speaker 1: I can gather from the trailer, also a woman, and
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Speaker 1: then the dragon is a female dragon. So we've got
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Speaker 1: a film where multiple characters, important characters to the story
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Speaker 1: are all women, which I also thought was awesome. It's
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Speaker 1: not no one draws attention to it in the trailer,
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Speaker 1: but I noticed it just because it's something that we
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Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of until fairly recently, and I
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Speaker 1: like that that trend is continuing. I do too. I
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Speaker 1: also really like that. Um. I like that the character
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Speaker 1: is such a kick but character, Like you said, UM, there,
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Speaker 1: it's it almost feels like Disney wanted their take on
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Speaker 1: the Avatar the Last Airbender. To me, yeah, I was
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of that. I was getting a little
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Speaker 1: bit of Mulan vibes. Um. There were a couple of
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Speaker 1: other like properties I would think of, even a coupa
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Speaker 1: and the two strings. Um, there's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: that in there. There. There's there's definitely some stuff you
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Speaker 1: can tell where some influences came in. Um. The attitude
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Speaker 1: of the Dragon feels like very much a nod to
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Speaker 1: sort of woosh you and mulan um. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: Aquafina and it's a it's a good trailer, and the
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Speaker 1: action looks like it's going to be really really interesting.
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Speaker 1: I am eager to see this. You know, it's interesting
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't look like the kind of
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Speaker 1: typical feel good sort of Disney stuff like. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem all all warm and fuzzy and squishy. It seems
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Speaker 1: a little more action oriented um, which is great too.
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Speaker 1: I think that looks really interesting. I think I haven't
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Speaker 1: been as excited for a Disney computer animated movie as
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Speaker 1: this since Rerecord Ralph, which I know that you don't
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Speaker 1: feel the same way about that movie as I do.
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Speaker 1: For me, I think i'd have to go with if
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Speaker 1: we're not talking picks are, if we're just talking about
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Speaker 1: Disney proper Big Hero six, Yeah, I can see that
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Speaker 1: as well, which has a very similar kind of actionly
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Speaker 1: vibe to it. This will be available on Disney Plus
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Speaker 1: on their premier for premium on March five, which means
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Speaker 1: eventually you'll get it on your regular subscription, but I
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Speaker 1: might Honestly, I think I'm going to pay for it too,
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Speaker 1: because I really want to see it, and I don't
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Speaker 1: want I want that that experience of discovery and not
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Speaker 1: have everything kind of laid out for me before I
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Speaker 1: get a chance to see it, because the discovery part,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure we can talk about this in
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Speaker 1: a longer section at some future episode, but the discovery
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Speaker 1: part of a new property is one of the great
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Speaker 1: joys for me. Like I can handle going in hearing spoilers,
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Speaker 1: but I really love that that experience of discovering something
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Speaker 1: as it's playing out. Um, you just can't really, you
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Speaker 1: can't implicate that if you already know what's happening before
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Speaker 1: you go and see it. It's different. You can still
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Speaker 1: enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is different. Mhm,
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Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Something on Disney Plus that you
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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to have to pay premium
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Speaker 1: for is the Black Panther show that's in develop or
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Speaker 1: at least a Waconda show. It's a show set in Waconda.
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Speaker 1: What whether or not it panther director, whether or not
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Speaker 1: it involves a black panther character, uh, played by sure,
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Speaker 1: you would imagine we don't know it may be that
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Speaker 1: it may not even be set in the quote unquote
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Speaker 1: modern day of the Marvel Cinemaic universe. There's no real telling,
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Speaker 1: but we know that the director of Black Panther is
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Speaker 1: going to be behind the development of the show, and
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Speaker 1: that it is set in Waconda and bring it on.
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Speaker 1: I am eager to see more of that world. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was such such great creation, and we only get
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Speaker 1: a small part of it in the first Panther movie,
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Speaker 1: so and and and a little bit in Infinity War
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Not near enough, not near enough. You
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Speaker 1: can tell that there's a whole bunch of written richness
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Speaker 1: in that world that we didn't get to see. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Something I did get to see this week. Uh is this?
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Speaker 1: This was something Ariel shared with me that I had
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Speaker 1: not seen, And I'm so thankful that I have a
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Speaker 1: co host like Ariel to bring this into my life. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is Uh. Some fans took the Jurassic Park trailer and
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Speaker 1: mashed it up with peee Herman making all of the
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Speaker 1: dinosaurs pee wee Herman. When you hear that concept, you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I know what this is gonna look like. But no,
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Speaker 1: it's way better than what you imagine in your brain.
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Speaker 1: For for one thing, they resisted the urge of making
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Speaker 1: a dinosaur sized peee Herman. It's a Peewee Herman's size
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Speaker 1: pewe Herman. And the the integration of peee Herman shots
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Speaker 1: into Jurassic Park scenes is done pretty darn well. Like
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Speaker 1: there are bits where you're looking at a Jurassic Park
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Speaker 1: character and Peewee Hermon is popping up from behind a tree,
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Speaker 1: and you know, you can tell there was some compositing done,
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Speaker 1: but it looks really good for for a for a joke. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And there's only one time where they skipped to like
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Speaker 1: a not Jurassic Park scene and it's brief, yes, I think, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: where where it's him over at on the corner of
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Speaker 1: a house and he's just doing his little peee Herman laught.
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Speaker 1: Everything else is essentially Jurassic Park with some Peee Hermon
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Speaker 1: integrated into it, including the infamous sequence where the t
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Speaker 1: Rex is chasing the jeep and it's the must go faster,
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Speaker 1: must go faster. And I don't want to say anymore
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Speaker 1: than that other than you need to see it to
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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. But we'll put that link in our
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Speaker 1: show notes on our website when this episode goes lie
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Speaker 1: so that you can watch it too. We just wanted
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Speaker 1: to give it a shout out since we love mashups.
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Speaker 1: We had to love on this mashup. Yes, and that
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Speaker 1: wraps up our quick headlines for this week. When we
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Speaker 1: come back, we are going to have a deep discussion
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Speaker 1: about the DC Cinematic Universe and what we would do
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Speaker 1: if we were put in charge of it in order
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Speaker 1: to kind of fix it. Seems like it's really presumptuous,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to say fix it and then also
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Speaker 1: stick around because at the end of this episode with
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Speaker 1: our mashup, we are we have chosen a mash up
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Speaker 1: topic that is in part a tribute to the late
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Speaker 1: great Cloris Leachman, a phenomenal comic actor who we lost,
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Speaker 1: uh just recently, and so you want to stick around
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Speaker 1: for that too. But first we gotta take this quick
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Speaker 1: break and we're back. Thanks for coming back with us.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the d C EU
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan, I'm taking it by uh you saying that
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Speaker 1: it needed to be fixed before the break, that you
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Speaker 1: are not a fan of how it is currently being
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Speaker 1: laid out. I am not Ariel, thank you for asking
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Speaker 1: me about this. Uh No, I I I've made it
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Speaker 1: pretty clear. Anyone who listened to old episodes of Large
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Speaker 1: Nerdron Collider, the classic ones from like seventeen, you know
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Speaker 1: that even back then I was complaining about the way
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Speaker 1: d C was going about their cinematic universe, that that,
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Speaker 1: uh that dead horse is still continuing to be beaten
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Speaker 1: by yours, truly, because I don't think it's necessarily gotten
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Speaker 1: much better. I have multiple problems with it. Problem one
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Speaker 1: is that the whole Zack Snyder take on making everything
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Speaker 1: dark and grim doesn't sit too well with me, largely because, like,
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Speaker 1: I think there should be some dark and grim nous
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Speaker 1: in there. I think there need to be stinks, Like
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Speaker 1: without stakes, there's no conflict, and without conflict there's no drama.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like heroes need to occasionally be i
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Speaker 1: don't know, heroic, yeah, and inspiring and that sort of thing,
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Speaker 1: which is why Wonder Woman, the original Wonder Woman film
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Speaker 1: from this this latest match is still I think my
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Speaker 1: favorite of all the ones that have come out so far,
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Speaker 1: with the possible exception of Shazam, which feels almost tangential,
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Speaker 1: but it was also pretty dark it was pretty dark,
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Speaker 1: but it had more lighthearted moments than any of the
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Speaker 1: other DC films. And then the other part kind of
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Speaker 1: ties into that tangential thing, which is that there is
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Speaker 1: no coherent or cohesive strategy, right Like, there are so
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Speaker 1: many different DC properties, and there are disagreements about which
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Speaker 1: ones actually fit into the main line DC universe versus
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Speaker 1: being some sort of offshoot like Joker. The movie Joker,
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Speaker 1: which a lot of people loved, is not part of
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Speaker 1: the mainstream DC cinematic universe. There was talk of another
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Speaker 1: Jared Leto Joker movie, which never, as far as I know,
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Speaker 1: is not happening, but that also wasn't going to be
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Speaker 1: part of the mainstream DC universe. And you start to wonder, well,
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Speaker 1: why are you bothering crafting these I mean, I understand
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Speaker 1: the appeal of having heroes from different uh, different franchises,
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Speaker 1: are different lines crossover. There's always like it's that dream,
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's Batman and Superman. Like, I get it,
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Speaker 1: that's a big deal in the comics, it's a big
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Speaker 1: deal in the movies. But if you're not going to
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Speaker 1: craft a really strong, coherent universe, then it almost seems
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Speaker 1: like you should really just be developing one shot films
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Speaker 1: that are good stories featuring these characters, but there's no
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Speaker 1: necessary connective tissue to everything else. I agree, So I
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Speaker 1: mean d C to the dark thing. D C is
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Speaker 1: not a stranger two dark storylines in the comics, but
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Speaker 1: I do feel like you need to you need to
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Speaker 1: set up the hero in that story as the hero,
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Speaker 1: like you said before, you can enjoy that journey down
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Speaker 1: down a path that they maybe shouldn't go. You're more
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Speaker 1: invested then, um, and then, yeah, the continuity is hard.
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Speaker 1: I feel like they they tried so hard to catch
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Speaker 1: up with Marvel, but by that time, they already had
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Speaker 1: a bunch of TV shows out, and they already had
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Speaker 1: all of these one off movies. We've had so many
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Speaker 1: Batman series, um, that it was almost like an afterthought.
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Speaker 1: I do feel like they up until the Snyder cut,
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Speaker 1: I feel like they had been slowly edging away from
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Speaker 1: everything being super dark, even through this latest wonder Woman movie. UM,
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Speaker 1: but I still feel like trying to add that levity
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Speaker 1: to what little through line there is, it just makes
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Speaker 1: the stories extra long and extra convoluted. Yeah. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: there's there's no efficiency in storytelling in the DC cinematic universe.
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Speaker 1: Everything is a little too bloated, and uh, I mean
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Speaker 1: when when there are important block points that hinge on
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Speaker 1: such silly things like the fact that two characters have
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Speaker 1: mother figures who were named Martha and somehow that's what
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Speaker 1: brings them together. I mean, I get it, like that's
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Speaker 1: been that's been mean to death, right, but it's still ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: It's why it's been mean to death. It is a
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Speaker 1: ridiculous point in a film. And uh, you know, there's
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Speaker 1: just so many decisions that I disagreed with, especially in
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Speaker 1: those early Snyder films, like without as you say, without
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Speaker 1: making the hero heroic, you have no one to cheer for.
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Speaker 1: You're It's like they decided they wanted to skip straight
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Speaker 1: to the Frank Miller version of Old Batman and show
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Speaker 1: him as you know, someone who was who is still
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Speaker 1: plotting along. But it is very cynical and very um
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Speaker 1: uh pessimistic about things and um pragmatic in a way
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Speaker 1: that's extremely dark, And they didn't want to get to
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Speaker 1: any of the stuff that led him to that journey.
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Speaker 1: They just wanted to jump to that satan with them
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Speaker 1: with the fact that they didn't go through the same
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Speaker 1: setup that Marvel did when it began to establish all
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Speaker 1: these individual characters and then the connection they had with
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Speaker 1: one another to lead into the Avengers titles. And you know,
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Speaker 1: we didn't even get into the Thanos storyline until we
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Speaker 1: were probably about halfway through those initial Marvel films. It
20:54
Speaker 1: was only in the back half that the Thanos storyline
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Speaker 1: really started to play out, and to the point where
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Speaker 1: some people were even asking, like, why should we care
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Speaker 1: about Thanos? And then in Fanity war happened and everyone
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Speaker 1: suddenly really cared about Thanos. But it just showed that
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Speaker 1: they did a very long lead up to that, whereas
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Speaker 1: d C was almost like dump all the toys out
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Speaker 1: on the floor, Okay, now they're all together, let's make
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Speaker 1: them do stuff. But they didn't build any of that individually.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I feel like it really was them
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Speaker 1: playing a game of ketchup to try to to try
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Speaker 1: to get to Marvel success level before people were burnt
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Speaker 1: out on superheroes, which has come and gone since the
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Speaker 1: m c U has begun. Um. I feel like when
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Speaker 1: they said okay, now anybody can make any movie about
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Speaker 1: any DC character, DC comic character, um, that it was
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Speaker 1: their attempt to try to salvage the fandom without having
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Speaker 1: to continue, like basically trying out alternate timelines to see
22:02
Speaker 1: if any of those stick better than their current prime timeline,
22:07
Speaker 1: so then they can just switch over to that. I mean,
22:10
Speaker 1: like clearly the Harley Quinn movie as an example of that.
22:14
Speaker 1: Right where the Harley Quinn film, they saw how people
22:18
Speaker 1: responded to the character of Harley Quinn and Suicide Squad,
22:22
Speaker 1: even though that movie is its own garbage fire, the
22:26
Speaker 1: first the first one, because I think the next one
22:29
Speaker 1: is gonna be really good, well until it comes out,
22:33
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold my breath, right, so they have
22:36
Speaker 1: to prove me wrong. Okay, I don't. I feel pretty
22:40
Speaker 1: comfortable saying the first film is a garbage fire. Uh,
22:44
Speaker 1: But that that led to the ability for the Harley
22:47
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn film to come out, and I think people
22:49
Speaker 1: responded more toward that, which just showed that there are
22:54
Speaker 1: and Joker again. Joker is another movie that did phenomenally well. Um,
23:01
Speaker 1: I'll spare you my thoughts on Joker, but it did
23:04
Speaker 1: really well and again is not connected to the rest
23:07
Speaker 1: of the threads in the d C universe. So it's
23:13
Speaker 1: a complicated issue. Like if it were me, I'd almost say, like,
23:15
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna have to start with a fresh slate. Um,
23:20
Speaker 1: some of the casting I might keep, because I think
23:23
Speaker 1: that some of the folks who are in their roles
23:25
Speaker 1: are good for those roles. But like, we're just gonna
23:30
Speaker 1: do what the comic books do occasionally, which is that
23:33
Speaker 1: you do a big reset. It happens in comics all
23:36
Speaker 1: the time, where you have some sort of cataclysmic event
23:39
Speaker 1: that destroys every reality so that it can start fresh,
23:43
Speaker 1: and then you start screwing it up all over again,
23:45
Speaker 1: but at least you can start fresh. Well. And I
23:47
Speaker 1: thought that's what they were doing with the James Gunn
23:49
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad that's coming out, because it's just it's it's
23:53
Speaker 1: not a second movie, it's just another suicide squad movie.
23:57
Speaker 1: But then they talked But and you know, James and
24:00
Speaker 1: did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, and the cast
24:03
Speaker 1: for this new movie is pretty spectacular. Um, they all
24:07
Speaker 1: all of the actors ride a good line between action
24:10
Speaker 1: and intense and comedy. But then they did carry over
24:15
Speaker 1: some of the characters like Harley Quinn and Boomerang and
24:18
Speaker 1: things like that, so it's not quite as much of
24:21
Speaker 1: a reboot as I initially thought it was going to be. Yeah. Um,
24:26
Speaker 1: so if you were trying to fix this, like my
24:30
Speaker 1: my argument is to scrap it all and start over. Um.
24:34
Speaker 1: But do you think it's something that you could see
24:37
Speaker 1: as being salvageable, like keeping everything that exists now and
24:42
Speaker 1: just building further upon it. Yes. Yes, And my reasoning
24:46
Speaker 1: for that is I've said since the beginning, and if
24:49
Speaker 1: you're a long time Lency listener you'll know this that
24:51
Speaker 1: I feel like the real problem with the Justice League
24:53
Speaker 1: is how dark it is. I feel like they've been
24:56
Speaker 1: going lighter and lighter and lighter. Uh, just a league
25:01
Speaker 1: much like the newer teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. The
25:05
Speaker 1: storyline was not strong, but they got the characters right. Um.
25:10
Speaker 1: Even at the end Superman got to be Superman and
25:12
Speaker 1: that was nice. But I enjoyed watching all the characters
25:15
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed watching their chemistry. So all we need
25:18
Speaker 1: to do is have happy Superman fly around the world
25:22
Speaker 1: reverse time and then we can continue on with the
25:26
Speaker 1: Justice League. Because that movie did the poorest and to
25:29
Speaker 1: me it was one of the most one of the
25:32
Speaker 1: more enjoyable ones. Um. Maybe not quite a character from
25:37
Speaker 1: a character standpoint, maybe not as quite as enjoyable as
25:39
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman or Aquaman, which I both. I found both
25:42
Speaker 1: of them fun, but far too long. Um and mainly
25:46
Speaker 1: because the Justice League villain was pretty milk toasty. But um, well,
25:51
Speaker 1: now you're going to get dark side in the Snyder cut.
25:53
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't. Yeah, that's that's exactly how I feel. Arial,
25:59
Speaker 1: So don't don't badly about it. But Snider, but more movies.
26:05
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you say, Like I I, I don't
26:09
Speaker 1: deny that, you know, you could continue. Obviously they're going
26:12
Speaker 1: to continue to build on the foundation they have laid.
26:16
Speaker 1: I think the reason, the real reason, if you really
26:18
Speaker 1: boil it down then I want to scrap it all
26:20
Speaker 1: and start over is fundamentally I despise the fact that
26:27
Speaker 1: the Kents we're trying to tell Clark to be selfish
26:33
Speaker 1: and to to value self preservation over helping others, because
26:38
Speaker 1: to me, that is fundamentally the opposite of what most
26:45
Speaker 1: versions of Superman's origin story point to, like the whole
26:48
Speaker 1: idea being that this is an alien who decides that
26:52
Speaker 1: he wants to protect humans because he was raised by
26:56
Speaker 1: genuinely decent people, and when you take that away, it
27:01
Speaker 1: just like to me, it's like, well, you just ruined everything.
27:04
Speaker 1: You just you've soured the whole thing. And yeah, you
27:08
Speaker 1: can get them to come around and choose to be noble,
27:12
Speaker 1: but that's a different character arc ar. It's not it's
27:16
Speaker 1: not invalid. It just to me, isn't Superman. I mean,
27:20
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. You know. I enjoyed
27:22
Speaker 1: Man of Steel, which is is the movie that started
27:25
Speaker 1: that whole path you don't like of Superman. But while
27:29
Speaker 1: I thought it was an entertaining movie, I did not
27:31
Speaker 1: think it was a great Superman movie. It wasn't it.
27:38
Speaker 1: It wasn't a great Superman movie to start off the
27:41
Speaker 1: d C EU with. Yeah, at the time, I didn't
27:44
Speaker 1: know there was going to be a d C EU,
27:46
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just to me, it was like it
27:50
Speaker 1: was it started with a wrong turn and then it
27:53
Speaker 1: got more wronger. Fair enough, but you know what, we
27:58
Speaker 1: also admit like that that's onto our personal tastes. There
28:01
Speaker 1: may be many of you out there who absolutely love
28:03
Speaker 1: the DC Cinematic Universe, which you know that's totally valid too,
28:07
Speaker 1: Like your opinions are just as valid as ours. Yeah,
28:09
Speaker 1: and you know, like you said, I've seen the d
28:12
Speaker 1: c EU movies and I will continue to see them.
28:14
Speaker 1: And you know, Marvel has had to scrap some of
28:17
Speaker 1: their properties or has tried to scrap some of their
28:20
Speaker 1: properties multiple times to relaunch them, X Men, Fantastic Four,
28:24
Speaker 1: things like that, So it's not just parent property specific. Yeah, no,
28:32
Speaker 1: I mean that also, Marvel has has caught some flak
28:34
Speaker 1: for not integrating some of their Netflix TV series into
28:38
Speaker 1: the overall Marvel Cinematic universe. Like that direction only goes
28:42
Speaker 1: one way, where the stuff that happened in the movies
28:45
Speaker 1: gets referenced in the shows, but the shows never get
28:47
Speaker 1: to carry over into the movies, which is unfortunate because
28:51
Speaker 1: Daredevil and Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are all awesome
28:54
Speaker 1: and Iron Fist is also there. Yeah, but we think
28:56
Speaker 1: that Daredevil is going to be in The New Spider Man,
28:58
Speaker 1: so that's what we're hoping, So maybe all the rest
29:01
Speaker 1: will follow suit. We'll see if it works, then they
29:03
Speaker 1: might continue it. Yeah, but you know, this was our
29:07
Speaker 1: our DC conversation. If we want to talk Marvel, we're
29:10
Speaker 1: going to have to wait till after the break with
29:12
Speaker 1: our mash up Okay, Ariel, you picked the two properties
29:34
Speaker 1: that we're going to mash up, and initially I resisted this,
29:37
Speaker 1: but eventually came around what I thought of a joke
29:40
Speaker 1: so bad that I had to do a mash up.
29:44
Speaker 1: But let's explain what two properties you picked? Okay. So
29:49
Speaker 1: we picked the fantastic four mainly because of some conversations
29:53
Speaker 1: happening around one division that we're not going to get
29:55
Speaker 1: into because spoilers. Uh. And we also pay young Frankenstein.
30:01
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about these properties, because
30:05
Speaker 1: at least in my mash up, I have some let's
30:10
Speaker 1: call them deep cuts that I reference that I think
30:14
Speaker 1: are going to be lost on probably nine cinemaur audience. Sure.
30:20
Speaker 1: But the basic story is that there's this gentleman Gene
30:22
Speaker 1: Wilder who is uh Dr Franken Frankenstein uh because he
30:30
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be confused with the crazy Dr Frankenstein Um.
30:34
Speaker 1: Who finds out he's got a like a familial house
30:38
Speaker 1: that he's he's earned when his great great grandfather passed away, um,
30:42
Speaker 1: And he goes there and then he becomes the mad
30:44
Speaker 1: scientist and eventually accepts his name Frankenstein. But there's uh
30:49
Speaker 1: huge amount of comedy. You've got I Gore, who is
30:54
Speaker 1: a play on igor. You've got fred Blueckhardt, who's the
30:58
Speaker 1: character that Cloris Leachman play Aid, who every time they
31:02
Speaker 1: say her name, no matter where she is, a horse
31:04
Speaker 1: whinnies because it sounds familiar to the German word for
31:07
Speaker 1: glue um, which is never explained in the movie, but
31:10
Speaker 1: it just happens. It's a running gag that they never explain,
31:14
Speaker 1: and I love it. And it's just such a lighthearted,
31:18
Speaker 1: fun play on on a really great but kind of
31:22
Speaker 1: dark story. Frankenstein. Um, that is just brilliant. Yeah. Uh,
31:27
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four. Okay, So in case you aren't aware of
31:29
Speaker 1: who the Fantastic Four are, it's a heroic group of
31:33
Speaker 1: four characters. Uh. There have been different members of the
31:36
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four over the years, but the classic four are
31:40
Speaker 1: Read Richards, who is Mr Fantastic. He can stretch his
31:44
Speaker 1: limbs and get all bendy bendy. There's uh, Sue Storm
31:49
Speaker 1: later Sue Richards, who is the invisible first the invisible girl,
31:53
Speaker 1: but she manages to screw the patriarchy and become the
31:57
Speaker 1: invisible woman. Um. Yeah about comics were not the most
32:01
Speaker 1: woke back in the day. Uh, you have Johnny Storm,
32:05
Speaker 1: Sue's brother, who is the human Torch, and you have
32:08
Speaker 1: Ben Graham who becomes the Thing, a big rocky orange
32:14
Speaker 1: hulk like guy, and they end up being a radiated
32:20
Speaker 1: There's different versions of their origin story, but that's how
32:22
Speaker 1: they all get their powers. So they didn't start off
32:24
Speaker 1: with powers. They get them because they're exposed to radiation.
32:28
Speaker 1: They typically are facing off against pretty weird and cosmic
32:33
Speaker 1: kind of of bad guys and problems, but they also
32:39
Speaker 1: have a enemy in Dr Doom. Dr Doom is frequently
32:43
Speaker 1: their antagonist, and for my story, one important thing you
32:48
Speaker 1: need to know is that, at least in one version
32:51
Speaker 1: of the Marvel timeline read Richards and Sue Richards have
32:55
Speaker 1: a son named Franklin Richards who has like reality the
33:00
Speaker 1: bending powers. That's going to be important in my story.
33:07
Speaker 1: There's also other references that longtime Marvel fans are going
33:12
Speaker 1: to get and nobody else, So just a warning, yeah,
33:18
Speaker 1: kind of kind of the same with mine. Um I
33:21
Speaker 1: actually I was on the opposite end. I was very
33:24
Speaker 1: excited about this at the beginning, and as I was
33:25
Speaker 1: writing my mashup, I quickly went, oh, this is I
33:31
Speaker 1: cannot meet Melbrook's genius. But yeah, this was a challenging one,
33:36
Speaker 1: I will admit. But once I came up with the
33:39
Speaker 1: terrible punchline, everything else was just like how long can
33:42
Speaker 1: I delay getting to the punchline. It's it's a tribute.
33:46
Speaker 1: It's a tribute to something we love and a great actress.
33:51
Speaker 1: So uh, I apologize and here we go with the
33:54
Speaker 1: fantastic Frow blue curtaine okay. So to Read Richards pronounced
34:01
Speaker 1: Reshorts is speaking at a symposium at Hedgeman University one
34:05
Speaker 1: day when a mysterious figure enters and tells him he
34:08
Speaker 1: has acquired his family's estate in lat Varia. While he
34:11
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be associated with his family legacy of
34:14
Speaker 1: mad science, Read leaves his then fiance Alicia Masters to
34:18
Speaker 1: see what the ordeal is about. Upon reaching the estate
34:21
Speaker 1: in Latviia, Reshorts meets a beautiful blonde named Susan and
34:24
Speaker 1: her brother, who introduces himself as John. I see. He
34:27
Speaker 1: thinks he's being clever picking on Reshorts his pronunciation of
34:30
Speaker 1: his name, but really he's just being kind of annoying.
34:33
Speaker 1: These two are the Storm siblings, who are the assistance
34:35
Speaker 1: of the previous inhabitant, Nathaniel Richards Read, is so enamored
34:39
Speaker 1: by Susan that he doesn't even notice as the caretaker
34:42
Speaker 1: of the estate, Frau Evelyn Blucker, steps up behind him
34:45
Speaker 1: and offers to show him to his room. When he
34:48
Speaker 1: turns back to invite Susan to dinner, she's gone, foreshadowing
34:54
Speaker 1: that evening. As Reshorts explores the estate, he happens upon
34:56
Speaker 1: a staircase leading to the basement, whereupon he finds the
34:59
Speaker 1: Storms siblings standing over a corpse in a lab as
35:03
Speaker 1: fraud Evelyn Blueger is about to put a brain into
35:06
Speaker 1: the corpse. Oh yeah, there's also a lab horse. Every
35:09
Speaker 1: respectable at Varian Lab has one. Uh. The name on
35:13
Speaker 1: the jar holding the brain is a ben normal Uh.
35:17
Speaker 1: Reshorts a surpride and yells out fraud Blucker's name, which
35:20
Speaker 1: startles a horse, who kicks the re animation machine, showering
35:23
Speaker 1: all of the inhabitants in the room with radiation. As
35:27
Speaker 1: Fraud places of brain in the corpse. All of a sudden,
35:29
Speaker 1: the corpses alive, but he has melted with the stone
35:31
Speaker 1: slab he was laying on to gain a stone skin.
35:34
Speaker 1: Susan is gone, but Reshorts can hear her yelling, and
35:37
Speaker 1: John I accidentally ignites, scaring the grim monster thing away.
35:41
Speaker 1: Reshorts reaches for the door, realizing he doesn't need to
35:44
Speaker 1: move his feet to do so, but his stretchy arm
35:46
Speaker 1: reaches the door too late. Only Fraud Bluecher is not
35:48
Speaker 1: affected by the radiation, having assisted her loved, beloved Nathaniel
35:52
Speaker 1: for so many years that she had become immune to
35:55
Speaker 1: it all. Did you do? Insites the local authority, Inspector
35:59
Speaker 1: von Due him, a man with one good eye, a
36:01
Speaker 1: metal mask, and a metal arm, to come question Reshorts. However,
36:04
Speaker 1: all Reshorts can make out about what Inspector Doom is
36:08
Speaker 1: saying is that there's a monster and if he finds them,
36:12
Speaker 1: he will end him. You see, his mask is muffling
36:14
Speaker 1: too much of the other words he's saying for Reshorts
36:16
Speaker 1: to even understand it. Uh. Now the three and Frau
36:19
Speaker 1: must find this thing. Thankfully, ab Normal was actually the
36:24
Speaker 1: love child of Nathaniel and Frau Evelyn Blue Hurt, and
36:27
Speaker 1: she knows just how to find him with his childhood
36:31
Speaker 1: love with pizza. There's only one pizza joint in life area,
36:34
Speaker 1: and tonight is open mic night. When they get there,
36:37
Speaker 1: they find the grim Thing doing stand up and enjoying
36:39
Speaker 1: his slice. They know they must protect him, being so
36:44
Speaker 1: unique and clever, so they bring him back to the
36:47
Speaker 1: estate just as reads fiance Alicia shows up. She sees
36:51
Speaker 1: the Thing, but instead of being frightened, falls in love
36:54
Speaker 1: with him, which is okay because Reshorts is kind of
36:56
Speaker 1: actually got a thing for Susan. And as we pan
36:59
Speaker 1: out from the the estate, we see John i Storm
37:02
Speaker 1: hiding worldly behind a horse as Frau Evelyn Bluegert searches
37:05
Speaker 1: him for him longingly because she's also a bit of
37:07
Speaker 1: a pyromaniac. I like that. There seemed to be some
37:13
Speaker 1: references to the the the the original Fantastic Four film
37:19
Speaker 1: by that Roger Corman produced that was never released specifically
37:24
Speaker 1: for you, Jonathan, because you can't understand doom in that version.
37:29
Speaker 1: All right, Well, here here's mine. Um the title will
37:32
Speaker 1: become u into it later. We open in the Baxter
37:37
Speaker 1: Building as the Fantastic Four's headquarters. The Fantastic Four are
37:41
Speaker 1: an established team at this point, having had many adventures
37:44
Speaker 1: under their collective belts. Read and Sue Richards are the
37:48
Speaker 1: proud parents of a young boy named Franklin, who has
37:51
Speaker 1: impressive powers of his own are heroes receive a distress
37:54
Speaker 1: call they must immediately head off to Latin Veria to
37:57
Speaker 1: battle the nefarious Dr Doom. Little Franklin is left behind
38:01
Speaker 1: in the care of others. The next morning, his caretakers
38:04
Speaker 1: are glued to the television, watching reports that Doom, the
38:08
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four, and indeed all of Latin Veria have disappeared.
38:13
Speaker 1: The scene dissolves and we see a title card saying
38:16
Speaker 1: twenty five years later, Franklin is an adult now giving
38:20
Speaker 1: a lecture at our prestigious university. He's an expert in
38:23
Speaker 1: linguistics in history, and it's clearly attempting to suppress his
38:27
Speaker 1: past and his own superpowers. While giving the lecture, one
38:30
Speaker 1: determined student keeps asking Franklin about his famous parents, Mr.
38:34
Speaker 1: Fantastic and the Invisible Woman, and his famous uncle, the
38:37
Speaker 1: Human Torch, and also that big rocky dude known as
38:40
Speaker 1: the Thing. Franklin attempts to dismiss the questions with humor,
38:44
Speaker 1: but the student persists, and in a moment of temper,
38:47
Speaker 1: Franklin uses his reality bending superpowers to turn the student
38:50
Speaker 1: into a Jack in the box. Class dismissed, he says
38:56
Speaker 1: after his lecture, an old man who had been sitting
38:59
Speaker 1: in on the lecture comes forward, revealing himself to be
39:02
Speaker 1: a messenger from lat Veria. He explains that without any warning,
39:05
Speaker 1: the entire nation that had disappeared is back. Much of
39:09
Speaker 1: it is in ruins, but not all of it, and
39:11
Speaker 1: that Franklin in particular is urged to go there to
39:15
Speaker 1: claim his birthright, though the old man doesn't have much
39:18
Speaker 1: information about what exactly that is. Franklin, overcome with anxiety,
39:22
Speaker 1: makes arrangements to travel to lat Varia right away. Arriving
39:26
Speaker 1: by train at the station, he has greeted by the
39:28
Speaker 1: humanoid experimental robot B type Integrated Electronics or Herbie, though
39:34
Speaker 1: it's pronounced her By. According to the robot, her By
39:38
Speaker 1: and Franklin traveled to an old, abandoned castle used to
39:41
Speaker 1: be doctor dooms Layer, but now it's practically unoccupied as
39:44
Speaker 1: Doom in the Fantastic Four have not reappeared. Along the way,
39:49
Speaker 1: Franklin and her By encounter a young woman named Inga Summers,
39:53
Speaker 1: who was given instructions to help assist Franklin in any way. Oh,
39:56
Speaker 1: and I mentioned that Doom's castle was practically unoccupied, but
40:00
Speaker 1: no there is one person there, Fraud Bluecher, who is
40:03
Speaker 1: secretly Cynthia von Doom, dr Doom's mother played by Cloris Leachman.
40:08
Speaker 1: Of course, at the castle, Franklin spends time exploring, attempting
40:12
Speaker 1: to find any signs of what happened to the Fantastic Four.
40:15
Speaker 1: Bluecher tries to embrace him to encourage him to embrace
40:19
Speaker 1: his superpowers, but Franklin resists, unwilling to acknowledge that this
40:23
Speaker 1: is in fact his birthright. What follows is an adventure
40:27
Speaker 1: in which Franklin tries to make his own robot without
40:30
Speaker 1: the use of his superpowers. He builds a robotic human Torch,
40:34
Speaker 1: which just goes around, insisting that no, he's the real
40:38
Speaker 1: original human Torch and Johnny Storm was the second human Torch.
40:42
Speaker 1: You just gotta buy the comics to find out that
40:44
Speaker 1: the original human Torch was a robot, but Franklin points
40:47
Speaker 1: out that if you are a robot, you aren't a
40:50
Speaker 1: human Torch. You're a robot Torch, and that goes poorly.
40:54
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the robot human Torches rampaging through
40:57
Speaker 1: the countryside. Franklin and team how to lure the robot back,
41:01
Speaker 1: insisting that it's not evil it's just misdirected. Franklin is
41:06
Speaker 1: able to coax the robotic human Torch back to the
41:09
Speaker 1: castle with promises of a special october Fest celebration, knowing
41:13
Speaker 1: that the robot is particularly fond of oompop bands, and
41:17
Speaker 1: so Franklin inga Summers and Herby play Polka, luring the
41:21
Speaker 1: human Torch robot back to the castle. In the process,
41:25
Speaker 1: the robot discovers a hidden compartment in the castle, and
41:28
Speaker 1: in it is a special German beer mug. Emblazoned on
41:32
Speaker 1: it are the Fantastic Four and on the bottom of
41:35
Speaker 1: the mug it's a message to Franklin with love from
41:38
Speaker 1: mom and dad. And then it happens. We finally smash
41:41
Speaker 1: cut to the title of the movie. Young Franklin Stein
41:45
Speaker 1: cut to end credits post credit scene. I guess the
41:48
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four and Doom show up or something. I don't know.
41:53
Speaker 1: I you saw where it was going. I did, and
41:58
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't know whether to say thank you
42:02
Speaker 1: or I'm so sorry. Um, Young Franklin Stein. Yeah, yeah,
42:07
Speaker 1: we got it. Because it's a German beer mug. You see,
42:13
Speaker 1: his name is Franklin. Okay, okay, So if any of
42:16
Speaker 1: you think you've got a better way to mash up
42:19
Speaker 1: the Fantastic for Young Frankenstein better than franklin Stein or
42:24
Speaker 1: the Fantastic frou Please reach out to us and tell
42:28
Speaker 1: us we would love to hear your mash up ideas
42:30
Speaker 1: and if we like, we might even read them on
42:32
Speaker 1: the air. Yeah, and uh, and the human Torch really
42:35
Speaker 1: was originally a robot Okay? Anyway, wait, wait, you know
42:38
Speaker 1: what would a human torch just like robot torch just
42:41
Speaker 1: be like a lighter like you would? You would you
42:45
Speaker 1: would think so? But yeah, you know, the human Torch
42:47
Speaker 1: was one of the original heroes that marvel inherited along
42:52
Speaker 1: with Captain America. But no, that's a story for a
42:54
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