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Credlin | 6 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. The end of a city Fortnite got
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Speaker 2: a bit testy today.
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Speaker 3: It was like the last day of boarding school.
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Speaker 2: I'll get you an updated in a moment with Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 2: Pretty rowdy question time. We'll also find out where Labour's
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Speaker 2: legislative agenda stands with just one week to pass laws
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Speaker 2: before that long summer recess. More details emerged today too
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Speaker 2: about our defense forces.
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Speaker 3: Austerity drive.
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Speaker 2: Cost cutting is starting to really hit our service personnel. Now, yes,
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Speaker 2: we need these long term projects, but right now it
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Speaker 2: feels like the government's robbing Peter to pay Paul Glass
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Speaker 2: while Labour doubles down on its absurd offshore wind fantasy.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak to a US expert who's made real headway
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Speaker 2: there sounding the alarm against these wind towers, both on
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Speaker 2: environmental and financial terms and as to the end of
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Speaker 2: the parliamentary year. Escaping assessment today from Gallery veteran Dennis Shandahan.
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Speaker 2: It's about the opposition, in particular Susan Lee's factional bobber Boy, Alex.
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Speaker 4: Hawk it's actually the ineptitude of the opposition. But I
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Speaker 4: have not seen an incompetence in a parliamentary tactical sense
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Speaker 4: that I've seen in the last week.
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Speaker 2: Gennis doesn't mean so I'll come back that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first, just because Anthony Almineesi escaped an oval office
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Speaker 2: bollocking over an adequate spending on defense, it doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: our defense force is in good shape, and that bollocking
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Speaker 2: will come eventually because this government's playing a dangerous p
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Speaker 2: and thimble trick without offense force, making big announcements years
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Speaker 2: off into the future and gutting real spending in the
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Speaker 2: near term. It was always going to be impossible to
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Speaker 2: get nuclear submarines without a substantial increase in defense spending.
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Speaker 2: Labours and sisters military spending stay at just two percent
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Speaker 2: of GDP, while pushing hard on orcers basically means as
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Speaker 2: around one point seventy five percent of GDP for everything else,
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Speaker 2: and that's simply not enough. Not with Communist China embarked
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Speaker 2: on what's possibly the biggest peacetime military build up in history.
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Speaker 2: One consequence of China now having the world's largest navy
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Speaker 2: by far in terms of its sheer numbers of ships
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Speaker 2: was the recent naval circumnavigation of Australia, with those unannounced
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Speaker 2: live fire exercises included something our Navy was embarrassingly unable
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Speaker 2: to monitor. Today, The Australian reports that dozens of workers
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Speaker 2: normally tasked with maintaining and upgrading our frontline f thirty
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Speaker 2: five fighter bombers have now been redeployed as part of
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Speaker 2: cost cutting to pay for new naval acquisitions like the
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Speaker 2: Orchest subs and those new Hunter class frigates. The paper
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Speaker 2: reports that all three service chiefs have told the Defense
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Speaker 2: Strategic Review that quote, they are being forced to slash
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Speaker 2: their sustainment budgets. This is like the maintenance budget, threatening
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Speaker 2: the nation's defense capability as China's military might grows exponentially.
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Speaker 2: The result is that up to sixty jobs have been
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Speaker 2: lost in the thirty five sustainment program because those resources
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Speaker 2: have now been redirected to naval procurement. See what I
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Speaker 2: mean robbing Peter to pay Paul. Funding stripped from the
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Speaker 2: Air Force to paper over the cracks in the navy.
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Speaker 2: Royal Australian Air Force Chief Stephen Chapel has issued instructions
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Speaker 2: to delay new projects, slash maintenance and workforce costs to
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Speaker 2: comply with government budget requirements. Now yesterday, he said the
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Speaker 2: Air Force was always looking at ways to optimize and
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Speaker 2: increase efficiency. One of his predecessors was much less diplomatic.
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Speaker 2: Former Air Force Chief Jeff Brown said the penny pinching
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Speaker 2: was leaving Australia with a fragile force, ill prepared for combat.
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Speaker 3: Reduced sustain and funding.
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Speaker 2: He said, forces difficult trade offs, fewer flying hours, deferred maintenance,
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Speaker 2: fewer parts on hand. He went on, this hollows out capability.
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Speaker 2: A fighter that cannot fly is not at a terrant
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Speaker 2: with a small fleet. Even minor availability issues can drastically
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Speaker 2: reduce combat.
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Speaker 3: Mass at a critical time.
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Speaker 2: As well, the government has essentially ignored the Defense Strategic
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Speaker 2: Reviews recommendation to fill a critical gap in a military
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Speaker 2: preparedness by boosting missile defenses. Now, given that national defense
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Speaker 2: is the most important task of government, the increasingly obvious
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Speaker 2: starvation of every other military probe to pay for future
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Speaker 2: subs and frigates.
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Speaker 3: It's a national disgrace.
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Speaker 2: Like the promise to cut power bills by two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five a year from opposition Labor talked a
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Speaker 2: big game on defense government though they've lavished money on
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Speaker 2: green business subsidies, pumping up the public sector payroll wage
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Speaker 2: increases too for unionized workers in the care economy. But
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Speaker 2: there's nothing here and now for defense, Just announcement after announcement,
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Speaker 2: all out there on the long finger. You spending far
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Speaker 2: off into the future, even though, as Ukraine and Israel
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Speaker 2: have recently found, military challenges can emerge very quickly and
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Speaker 2: you must have the forces on hand to meet them.
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Speaker 2: You've got to fight with what you've got rather than
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Speaker 2: what you wish you had. If, as the government admits,
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Speaker 2: these are the most perilous time in our country since
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Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, we need to be ready now for
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Speaker 2: sustained military operations. I mean, sleepwalking through lotus Land is
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Speaker 2: just not good enough. This week, as you know, I've
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Speaker 2: spoken to two mothers angry at their first hand experience
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Speaker 2: of Queensland's radical gender ideology aimed at children in kindergarten,
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Speaker 2: brought in by the former Labor government. Children as young
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Speaker 2: as four are now being asked for their preferred pronouns
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Speaker 2: on enrollment.
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Speaker 5: That it confuses children, it undermines reality based education, it
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Speaker 5: grooms kids for further ideological brainwashing. It really is diabolical
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Speaker 5: and it's without our consent. We didn't sign up for this,
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Speaker 5: We don't consent to this. Most parents don't know it's happening.
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Speaker 1: So my message to parents is to be vigilant check
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Speaker 1: what is going on, because in Mike's experience, if you
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Speaker 1: have activist teachers pushing this thing, your children will be affected.
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Speaker 1: So communication is critical.
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Speaker 2: And despite voters throwing out the Labor government electing the
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Speaker 2: Liberal National Party, it seems that these trans policies didn't
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Speaker 2: get thrown out with them. Instead, the Queensland Department of
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Speaker 2: Educations a law unto itself and through the state's curriculum body,
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Speaker 2: as confirmed by the current Education Minister, John Paul Langbrook,
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Speaker 2: or they're just plowing on. Langbrook makes the point that
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Speaker 2: the curriculum authority that issues these enrollment forms seeking a
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Speaker 2: Charle's preferred pronouns is independent. But clearly, if a Labor
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Speaker 2: government made a political decision to bring in this radical nonsense,
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Speaker 2: an l and P one can make a political decision
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Speaker 2: to take it.
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Speaker 3: Out, and it must.
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Speaker 2: But this isn't the whole story, because it turns out
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Speaker 2: that the Queensland Education Department is very proud of the
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Speaker 2: fact that it's just achieved Platinum status in the Australian
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Speaker 2: Workforce Equality Index as an LGBTQI plus employer, after having
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Speaker 2: been Gold for the previous three years. Here's a screenshop
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Speaker 2: from the department's website inviting people to watch their inclusion video.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Workforce of Quality Index is run by something
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Speaker 2: called ACON ACN, which originally was the AIDS Council of
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Speaker 2: New South Wales. Now it's the Australian equivalent of Stonewall,
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Speaker 2: and like Stonewall, a body once concerned with gay rights,
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Speaker 2: it's now at the forefront of pushing the radical transagender
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Speaker 2: with business with government and particularly amongst our young people.
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Speaker 2: Given the Queensland Education Department is happy to claim they
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Speaker 2: are quote the first state government department to achieve platinum status.
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Speaker 3: Does this mean they they are.
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Speaker 2: Paying to be an ACON partner? I mean that fees
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Speaker 2: some twelve thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: As this chart shows.
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Speaker 2: Acon Health Limited is still a charity, that's what it's
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Speaker 2: registered as, but it's got an annual income of almost
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Speaker 2: twenty eight million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Now remarkably when I've looked.
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Speaker 2: Through the papers on the official charities website, seventy two
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Speaker 2: percent of that money comes from government. Now, I'm an
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Speaker 2: admirer of the Christophully olymp governed in Queensland, which has
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Speaker 2: outraged the trans lobby by banning puberty blockers for miners
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Speaker 2: because more and more experts agree that so called gender
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Speaker 2: affirming care risks harming our children. What's it doing allowing
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Speaker 2: the Education Department to ask for preferred pronouns from preschoolers
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Speaker 2: whose innocence should not be disturbed by needing a parental
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Speaker 2: explanation of what it is to be transgender. And this
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Speaker 2: is exactly the kind of destruct brainwashing the l and
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Speaker 2: P voters expect the LMP government to now fix.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: As I said, we're getting close to the final week.
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Speaker 2: This is the last of the two city weeks, one
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Speaker 2: more to go. We're winding down to the end of
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Speaker 2: the year. At Truney Macintosh, I will ask you about.
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Speaker 3: The forward schedule.
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Speaker 2: I know there's a contentious bill before the Parliament on
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Speaker 2: the environment, but give us a late update. I think
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Speaker 2: you've got word having you that the Liberals might be
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Speaker 2: thrashing allelujah. I have to say, thrashing out finally their
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Speaker 2: energy policy.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Peter, I've got the timeline here of when the
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Speaker 6: Liberals and the coalition potentially could finally reach this position
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Speaker 6: on net zero. MPs will be recalled back to Parliament
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Speaker 6: Liberal once next Wednesday for this special Party room meeting
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Speaker 6: Wednesday at midday to discuss a set of principles for
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Speaker 6: their endorsement when it comes to the energy policy. They'll
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Speaker 6: be able to ask questions Dan Tea and there and
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Speaker 6: also the Federal Director of the party with a briefing
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Speaker 6: on what the research is telling them. The following day,
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Speaker 6: the Thursday, at nine am, there'll be a full Liberal
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Speaker 6: Shadow Ministry meeting to lock in the Liberal position. From there,
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Speaker 6: three representatives from the Libs three from the Nationals will
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Speaker 6: be meeting over the course of a few days to
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Speaker 6: try and find a consensus within the coalition when it
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Speaker 6: comes to net zero. Then finally Sunday, the sixteenth, there'll
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Speaker 6: be a virtual joint party room meeting to endorse or
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Speaker 6: potentially not endorse what is.
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Speaker 3: That consensus position.
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Speaker 6: So finally we've got a process, even albeit tortured, Peter,
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Speaker 6: to come to a conclusion six months on from the
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Speaker 6: election defeat.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about all the emissions it will be
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Speaker 2: for them to all to fly back to Cameron next week, Truty.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that they've got so many meetings and
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Speaker 2: they've already built in a staged a proxy in negotigation
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Speaker 2: and that's unusual. That tells me they're a long way
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Speaker 2: from agreement.
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Speaker 6: And it tells me Peter, if the leadership group thinks
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Speaker 6: that they'll simply dump the net zero target and agree
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Speaker 6: to what the Nationals endorsed on Sunday, there wouldn't be
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Speaker 6: a need for that three step process, would there for
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Speaker 6: this negotiated position between the two parties. That to me
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Speaker 6: seems to indicate that they expect the Liberal Party room
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Speaker 6: will come to a different position, different enough that they
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Speaker 6: need a reconciliation process inside the coalition.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's when the coalition agreement is absolutely
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Speaker 2: back on the table and they could be back where
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Speaker 2: they were in the first couple of days after the
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Speaker 2: leadership was taken on by Susan Lee. Just quickly give
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Speaker 2: us an update. As I said, we're at the end
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Speaker 2: of the city fortnite, so this week's the penultimate week.
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Speaker 2: We've got one more to go now before the very
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Speaker 2: long summer recess. The environmental legislation. Where are we up
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Speaker 2: to with that one?
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Speaker 6: It's past the House today. The big test was always
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Speaker 6: going to be in the Senate.
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Speaker 3: Murray.
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Speaker 6: What the new minister in this portfolio essentially has two
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Speaker 6: parts either try and secure or deal with the coalition
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Speaker 6: to get it through. That's what business and the big
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Speaker 6: miners want to see happen. On the other side, he
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Speaker 6: could do a deal within.
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Speaker 3: With the Greens.
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Speaker 6: It's actually unclear at this stage where that is going
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Speaker 6: to land, but that's all going to play out in
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Speaker 6: the final week of November. There's a few other big
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Speaker 6: priorities that wanted to point out to your viewers though, Peter.
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Speaker 6: In terms of what the PM wants done by the
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Speaker 6: end of the year, that's the big legislative fight to come.
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Speaker 6: Don't forget though they're going to spend a lot of
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Speaker 6: the next month talking about the social media ban that
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Speaker 6: kicks in on December tenth and January one.
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Speaker 3: It was pointed out to me today one eight hundred medicare.
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Speaker 6: Don't forget that election promise where you can call up
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Speaker 6: at them in all hours of the night and speak
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Speaker 6: to a nurse or a doctor. That's going to be
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Speaker 6: rolled out from January one. So there are three big
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Speaker 6: priorities for the PM before the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: We will see that last one something that's already there.
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Speaker 2: They're just going to rebadge it and dress it up
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Speaker 2: and shop it out again. Thank you, Trudy. That's going
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Speaker 2: out of my panel. Journalist at the Daily Telegraph, James
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Speaker 2: Willis joins me it Sky on need his contributor Carolee A.
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Speaker 3: Katz and barnas well.
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Speaker 2: I want to start with a broadside from national editor
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Speaker 2: at The Australia. They're good friend of this show, Dennis Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: He's been in the press gallery for more than forty
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Speaker 2: years and he has given this scathing assessment of the
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Speaker 2: current opposition.
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Speaker 4: I have not seen an incompetence in a parliamentary tactical sense,
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Speaker 4: and I've seen in the last week the Speaker has
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Speaker 4: lost patience with the opposition and I can understand it
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Speaker 4: because the questions politically have missed the whole point of
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Speaker 4: trying to hold the government to account, but they're poorly
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Speaker 4: worded so the government can just rant and rave.
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Speaker 2: Jamesie went hard in particular on the Manager of Opposition
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Speaker 2: Business Alex Hark. I mean everyone knows I've been around
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Speaker 2: Parliament a long time. I would share that lack of
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Speaker 2: tactical and procedural now so I think he gets up
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Speaker 2: on the wrong things and other things he's not interjecting on,
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Speaker 2: and I don't get line and length and strategy out
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Speaker 2: of the questions over the day or indeed over the
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Speaker 2: week that i't hang together. And sometimes I think there's
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Speaker 2: something on the front page of the paper today it
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Speaker 2: is the bleeding obvious.
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Speaker 3: It might have an.
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Speaker 2: Independent source to provide you abs data, let's say, as stats,
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Speaker 2: to give ballast to their arguments, and they don't touch it.
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Speaker 2: You know, they run on gossip or you know, things
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Speaker 2: where the government's not under pressure.
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Speaker 3: Well what's your assessment.
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Speaker 7: Well, Peter, I can tell you this firsthand. I've spoken
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Speaker 7: to a number of MPs over the past few months
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Speaker 7: that have been trying to get questions up during question
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Speaker 7: time and the opposition and they're based on news of
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Speaker 7: the day, maybe not just news corps news of the day,
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Speaker 7: but you're right, A good starting point when you're preparing
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Speaker 7: question time is to have a look at the front pages,
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Speaker 7: have a look at what people are talking about. Maybe
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Speaker 7: even you know, get your staff to tuning in to
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Speaker 7: talk back radio and see what's hot at the moment,
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Speaker 7: and that's a really good starting point. And MPs have
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Speaker 7: told me they've tried to get questions up without success,
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Speaker 7: and this is an ongoing problem. And look, to be honest,
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Speaker 7: I mean, Dennis Shanahan has been around for a long
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Speaker 7: period of time. This is a very significant call for
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Speaker 7: him to make. But I think it's fair. I think
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Speaker 7: what we're seeing is people in senior positions that are
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Speaker 7: clearly out of their depth. We have to remember the
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Speaker 7: people that are in these senior positions are all off
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Speaker 7: the back of how Susan Lee got into the leadership
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Speaker 7: in the first place, what factional deals had to be done,
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Speaker 7: who had to get up there. I think Alex Hawk
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Speaker 7: is one of the most unimpressive politicians I have ever
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Speaker 7: seen in my entire life, and his history as a
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Speaker 7: political animal speaks for itself. But the problem is, Peter,
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Speaker 7: that the majority of the talent, the people that are
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Speaker 7: leaders and potentially you know, prime ministers one day, are
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Speaker 7: on the back bench and they're not involved. They're not
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Speaker 7: asking questions, They're sitting around punching the card at the moment.
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Speaker 7: We're talking about Hasty, we're talking about Angus Taylor, we're
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Speaker 7: talking about Justinder Price in the upper House. I mean,
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Speaker 7: these are people that actually have cut through in the media,
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Speaker 7: and because of the Liberal Party's internal struggles, they are
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Speaker 7: not contributing at the moment, and I think that's a
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Speaker 7: massive blunder that will not last for much longer. You
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Speaker 7: can't have the best people when you're so far behind
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Speaker 7: on the scoreboard. You can't have your best players on
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Speaker 7: the bench.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Liberal Party will put Bradman on the bench
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Speaker 2: right now, you know that have someone else carrying the
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Speaker 2: dreat that have him carrying the drinks, and they'd put
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Speaker 2: some pretty ordinary people at the front of the drop.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the problem they've got, right.
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Speaker 8: That's it.
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Speaker 2: They cannot they cannot just keep rewarding factional bobber boys
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Speaker 2: or mates or numbers in the party room. They actually
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Speaker 2: have to come to grips with and make friends with,
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Speaker 2: you know, people that ideologically inside the party are not
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Speaker 2: in their camp, but they have that cut through in
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Speaker 2: the media and if being noticed caarely Because we learned
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Speaker 2: today two hundred members of the party in South Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is just South Australia. They have quit the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party in protest over what they see as Susan Lee's
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Speaker 2: week leadership, particularly on the issue of net zero.
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Speaker 9: So, Peter, it's almost got past Crisi's point, hasn't it.
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Speaker 9: It just shows that the people in Canberra really is
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Speaker 9: showing a tin ear because every division of the Liberal
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Speaker 9: Party around Australia has echoed dumping net zero and that's.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately what you end up getting.
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Speaker 9: I mean, in twenty twenty two we saw that there
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Speaker 9: was the net zero policy.
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Speaker 3: How did that go for the Liberals?
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Speaker 9: In twenty twenty five we saw again, Okay, Tim Wilson
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Speaker 9: won Goldstein, but we lost Bradfield. It's like sort of
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Speaker 9: bashing your head up against a brick wall and expecting
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Speaker 9: that brickwall to fall.
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Speaker 3: Over one day.
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Speaker 9: At one point you've got to cut your losses and
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Speaker 9: you know what, Yes, it may well be twenty four
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Speaker 9: or forty eight hours of negative headlines, but they've got
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Speaker 9: to take the fight up.
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Speaker 3: They've got to take the fight up to Labor.
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Speaker 9: I don't care what Simon Holmes the court.
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Speaker 3: I know that we'll get on to him soon.
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Speaker 9: Said today, Susan Lee and her leadership team are falling
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Speaker 9: for their three card trick every single time they're doing
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Speaker 9: Labour's work for them, they're attacking their own colleagues and
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Speaker 9: it's not good. What they need to do is they
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Speaker 9: need to take the fight for the Australian people to
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Speaker 9: get cheaper electricity prices, improve our cost of living and
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Speaker 9: actually make this a real contest of ideas. And I
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Speaker 9: do have to say that after twenty four years in
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Speaker 9: any job, you would hope that somebody's performance would be
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Speaker 9: a lot better than Susan Lee's. I don't know her,
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Speaker 9: I've never met her, but she's been in Parliament for
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Speaker 9: twenty four years and surely, surely it's just one disaster
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Speaker 9: after the next at the minute, it's the next headline
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Speaker 9: waiting to be written. And as you said, Dennis, you
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Speaker 9: know Shanahan, after forty years, it's got to a pretty
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Speaker 9: serious stage.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand this argument from Simon Holmes, a court
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Speaker 2: that so spooks the left leaning liberals, the moderate liberals, James,
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Speaker 2: because they say, you know, we've got to hang on
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Speaker 2: to net zero otherwise we're going to lose these to
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Speaker 2: your seats well mate, you've lost them. You've had net
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Speaker 2: zero in your kit bag the last two elections and
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Speaker 2: you've never had a worse result. You've got zero on
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Speaker 2: the table, you have not jettisoned it, and you're at
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Speaker 2: a twenty four percent primary.
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Speaker 3: Ali lujah, what does that tell you? Like, wake up?
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Speaker 3: When you haven't had that zero there?
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Speaker 2: You have done well electorally, when you've reposed a carbon
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Speaker 2: text that everybody said, please, don't do it, don't do it,
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Speaker 2: don't do it. You went in a landslide, like honestly,
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Speaker 2: just look at the scoreboard.
20:25
Speaker 7: Well, well that Peter, that's it. But also I think
20:30
Speaker 7: where the Liberal Party sort of lets itself down, and
20:32
Speaker 7: I know that this has been a finding of previous reviews,
20:35
Speaker 7: is to say we cannot give up on any of
20:37
Speaker 7: the seats that we've lost to the tills. Now that
20:40
Speaker 7: is right, and they should be competing there, but they
20:42
Speaker 7: can't use those seats to determine their entire policy. And
20:46
Speaker 7: when you start to have industries fall over, when you
20:48
Speaker 7: start to have issues with Tommigo, who are the biggest
20:51
Speaker 7: user of electricity in New South Wales, when the unions
20:54
Speaker 7: are saying energy prices are too high, you need to.
20:58
Speaker 7: You can focus on those Westerns seats, you can win
21:01
Speaker 7: back the seats that Labor has at the moment. But instead,
21:04
Speaker 7: the moderates of the Liberal Party are convinced the only
21:06
Speaker 7: way to do this is to have a climate policy
21:09
Speaker 7: and energy policy that is so far left that people say, well,
21:13
Speaker 7: you know what climate change, These guys agree with it
21:15
Speaker 7: just as much. This is we're talking about the Matt
21:18
Speaker 7: Keanes of the world, the Andrew Braggs of the world,
21:20
Speaker 7: people that I think, you know, our liberal light that
21:23
Speaker 7: I don't think really what the party should be all about.
21:26
Speaker 7: And until they figure that out and actually offer that
21:29
Speaker 7: point of difference, which includes scrapping net zero, which includes
21:33
Speaker 7: backing cold getting more gas into the system as well
21:37
Speaker 7: talking about nuclear getting that back on the agenda, well
21:40
Speaker 7: they're going to be in opposition forever because this will
21:42
Speaker 7: just keep getting worse and worse and worse.
21:47
Speaker 2: When the party's been run on a conservative platform, Caroline,
21:50
Speaker 2: and you know this very well, given you your long
21:53
Speaker 2: links to the party, and we've seen this in camera.
21:57
Speaker 2: They've been in power more than they've been out of
22:00
Speaker 2: power when they've caught the state disease, and we've seen
22:03
Speaker 2: it now in every single state opposition, they are basically
22:08
Speaker 2: permanently in opposition, and they scrap amongst themselves for the
22:11
Speaker 2: spoils of opposition, and they've got opportunities that we can
22:14
Speaker 2: see in Victoria to take on a bad government and
22:17
Speaker 2: they squander that.
22:19
Speaker 3: But that infection.
22:20
Speaker 2: Now at a state level in the Liberal Party appears
22:23
Speaker 2: to be in Canberra.
22:28
Speaker 9: It certainly does. And it's not right. As I said,
22:30
Speaker 9: Susan Lee attacking her own colleagues is not doing the
22:34
Speaker 9: Liberal Party any favors of being able to get out
22:37
Speaker 9: of opposition. It's jumping at shadows all the time and
22:41
Speaker 9: it's just not good. For example, the you know the
22:44
Speaker 9: Prayer's law that came up that you've discussed extensively on
22:47
Speaker 9: this program. The bottom line is short and sharp. There's
22:50
Speaker 9: a there's a huge difference between stillbirth and late term abortion.
22:56
Speaker 9: And if you don't know that, you need to go
22:58
Speaker 9: back to basic biology. And the colleagues that actually raised
23:02
Speaker 9: concerns have every right to raise those concerns, and even
23:06
Speaker 9: pre as Dad has said that as well. But instead
23:09
Speaker 9: Susan Lee's fallen for the three card trick, as I
23:11
Speaker 9: said before, with labor and it's turned into what people
23:15
Speaker 9: think they want to hear, not what it actually is.
23:18
Speaker 9: All those points are valid, and of course they've attacked
23:21
Speaker 9: Hasty because he's a man, and all the insensitivity as well.
23:25
Speaker 9: You know there is an issue with this and you
23:27
Speaker 9: outlined it perfectly on this and as you say, yes,
23:31
Speaker 9: it's more like, you know, the opposition do they want
23:34
Speaker 9: to win government or not get back to basics. As
23:37
Speaker 9: you said, I still remember the three things. Stop the boats,
23:39
Speaker 9: repeal the carbon tax, repeal the mining tax.
23:42
Speaker 3: Off the top of my keep it very basic.
23:44
Speaker 9: The Australian public are wanting leaders that they can see
23:49
Speaker 9: that will actually hold onto those liberal values because they're
23:53
Speaker 9: just going in droves and it's shocking even you know,
23:56
Speaker 9: statewives here in Victoria, people that you speak to normally
23:59
Speaker 9: cannot believe the state of affairs here.
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Speaker 3: Well said Olliver. There, thank you both.
24:07
Speaker 2: After the break of former Army General Director General on
24:10
Speaker 2: just how hard the defense cuts are hurting our military.
24:13
Speaker 2: Plus we've laid concerns with the deal done by leading
24:16
Speaker 2: universities on research projects with China. Well hello, pretty Wong's
24:19
Speaker 2: woken up. She's now wanting an urgent security review into this.
24:23
Speaker 2: But clearly the government's been asleep at the wheel. Welcobac
24:31
Speaker 2: still become a US fisheries experts visiting Australia and she'll
24:35
Speaker 2: join me to discuss the pushback against offshore wind farms
24:39
Speaker 2: and hopefully inject some common sense into the debate here
24:42
Speaker 2: in Australia.
24:43
Speaker 3: But first events.
24:44
Speaker 2: Chiefs have begun speaking out against the Albanezer governments austerity
24:48
Speaker 2: measures which have been implemented to pay for August and
24:52
Speaker 2: our new Hunter frigates. But it should never be an
24:55
Speaker 2: either or proposition. It's not as if nuclear subs are
24:58
Speaker 2: the only assets we need in our.
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Speaker 3: Defense force, is it?
25:01
Speaker 2: The real worry is with Orcus still a decade away,
25:05
Speaker 2: why are we undermining our current capability to this extent?
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Speaker 3: Here to discuss this and more.
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Speaker 2: Former Army Director General retired Brigadier Ian Langford Ian welcome.
25:16
Speaker 2: We don't often see such a frank and open debate
25:19
Speaker 2: here from our service chiefs current and former. Give me
25:24
Speaker 2: your assessment of their concern in relation to these cuts.
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Speaker 10: Well, thanks, Peter, great to be here. I mean, what
25:32
Speaker 10: we're seeing based on those reports is really the pressure
25:35
Speaker 10: is starting to build in the system as a relation
25:38
Speaker 10: to the government setting outs as to ambitions under the
25:41
Speaker 10: orcst Pillar one submarine program and at the same time
25:44
Speaker 10: trying to meet the objectives of the twenty twenty four
25:47
Speaker 10: National Defense Strategy. You'd understand and your views would know
25:50
Speaker 10: that inside a defense budget, we have the major capital investment,
25:54
Speaker 10: which other tanks, the ships, and the aircraft. We've got
25:57
Speaker 10: the operating budget, which is how we get our solders,
26:00
Speaker 10: sales and aviators on operations defending the country. And then
26:03
Speaker 10: we have a sustainment budget, which is the money that's
26:05
Speaker 10: used to maintain and service our platforms. When budgets are
26:09
Speaker 10: under pressure, it's often the sustainment budget that has to
26:13
Speaker 10: accept risk and that impacts in the short term the
26:15
Speaker 10: ability sometimes of the defense force to manage its preparedness
26:20
Speaker 10: setting so it's already and always ready to fight tonight,
26:24
Speaker 10: as well as conduct its ability to manage risk in
26:27
Speaker 10: terms of its engagements with technology and guided weapons investment
26:31
Speaker 10: and other parts of the defense portfolio. And the last
26:34
Speaker 10: bit that really does come under pressure is and must
26:37
Speaker 10: be maintained at all time, is the obligation that commanders
26:40
Speaker 10: have to keep the troops safe, so there can be
26:42
Speaker 10: no compromise when it comes to keeping solder sales and
26:46
Speaker 10: aviators safe in their roles despite budget pressure. So it's
26:50
Speaker 10: a sustainment budget that typically comes under pressure when money
26:53
Speaker 10: is tight. And given that the ambitions of the national
26:57
Speaker 10: defense strategy and the objective of the orchest Pillar one
27:01
Speaker 10: submarine budget pressure comes from the same financial trial, we're
27:05
Speaker 10: starting to see evidence that you can't have both, given
27:08
Speaker 10: that there is enough a limit to the budget that's
27:10
Speaker 10: been allocated to both important aspects of our national defense strategy.
27:16
Speaker 2: I guess the problem is right now we're robbing Peter
27:19
Speaker 2: to pay Paul, and we're robbing Peter to pay for Paul,
27:21
Speaker 2: and Paul's not going to come for a decade. We
27:24
Speaker 2: can't predict when we're going to need serious force pressure
27:31
Speaker 2: within that decade. We can't wait for it just to
27:33
Speaker 2: be a maritime exercise that you know, we put to
27:39
Speaker 2: see our subs and wash our hands of it all.
27:41
Speaker 2: I mean, we could need all of our other capability
27:45
Speaker 2: at the one time, and SoC iety that we just
27:47
Speaker 2: can cut back the maintenance budget, we may not be
27:51
Speaker 2: able to put what we've got to see. We may
27:53
Speaker 2: not be able to put our flyers in the sky.
27:55
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how bad it is I think, you know,
27:58
Speaker 2: we need Ian someone like with all your experience to
28:01
Speaker 2: educate Australians to say this isn't good enough.
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Speaker 11: That's right.
28:07
Speaker 10: I think the reality is the government has no greater
28:10
Speaker 10: responsibility to the people of Australia than to defend the nation.
28:15
Speaker 10: It is right that under August Pila one that the
28:18
Speaker 10: budget is allocated to acquire the deterrent in the form
28:22
Speaker 10: and function of the Virginia Clast Submarine and then the
28:24
Speaker 10: SSN Orcus. But that can't come at the cost of
28:27
Speaker 10: the nation to be able to be ready to fight tonight.
28:31
Speaker 10: So we need again our defense personnel, their platforms and
28:36
Speaker 10: their ability to force project in defense of this nation
28:38
Speaker 10: to be on the readiness levels that are necessary relative
28:41
Speaker 10: to the threat. The other aspect of pressure that we're
28:45
Speaker 10: seeing I think play out across the defense budget is tempo.
28:49
Speaker 10: The Australian Defense Force has never been as busy as
28:52
Speaker 10: it is in not only responding to the threats of today,
28:55
Speaker 10: but also anticipating and getting ready for the threats for tomorrow.
29:00
Speaker 10: And we're seeing that play out in terms of the
29:03
Speaker 10: ability of our service chiefs and our personnel to maintain
29:06
Speaker 10: our platforms on their current directed readiness levels, but also
29:09
Speaker 10: to make provision to acquire the future technology, the future
29:14
Speaker 10: infrastructure and industry partnerships and the ability really to make
29:17
Speaker 10: sure that the ADF is future proof and it's ready
29:20
Speaker 10: to fight the next war and not the last one.
29:24
Speaker 2: Just on another issue, but it's still defense related. Ten
29:28
Speaker 2: days ago there was a big announcement that Australian universities
29:31
Speaker 2: were back doing partnerships with China. Now, at the time,
29:34
Speaker 2: I said, this is really concerning, given it wasn't that
29:36
Speaker 2: long ago. We had grave concerns about some projects, in
29:40
Speaker 2: particular in the defense space, but also broadly Confucius institutes.
29:44
Speaker 3: And other things.
29:45
Speaker 2: Now we learned that Macquari unis in a partnership with
29:48
Speaker 2: the Chinese Tech School, and that tech school is linked
29:51
Speaker 2: to the People's Liberation Army. Now Penny Wong's gone out
29:55
Speaker 2: there and said, I'm concerned about all of this. We're
29:57
Speaker 2: going to have a national security review. We'll do it urgently.
30:00
Speaker 2: But it feels to mean that the government's been asleep
30:03
Speaker 2: at the wheel.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's interesting.
30:07
Speaker 10: I mean these decisions and these cooperatives between universities do
30:11
Speaker 10: not exist in a vacuum. We understand and we know
30:14
Speaker 10: why historically companies like Huihwei were banned from investing in
30:17
Speaker 10: our critical digital infrastructure. We understand why the Chinese made
30:22
Speaker 10: AI program deep Seek was banned from operating inside government platforms,
30:26
Speaker 10: and fundamentally they present a security risk. So to suggest
30:31
Speaker 10: that this is not a security risk that needs to
30:33
Speaker 10: be fully examined and understood in the context of Huihwei
30:36
Speaker 10: and Deepseek and other attempts by Chinese state apparatus to
30:42
Speaker 10: penetrate and compromise some of our systems, including the human
30:45
Speaker 10: system which I think this refers to, it is not
30:48
Speaker 10: even at best. So I'd encourage universities to engage with
30:51
Speaker 10: government and for the full security agency investigations to be
30:56
Speaker 10: conducted necessary to make sure that this is in Australia's
30:59
Speaker 10: interests and not just in the interests of another power.
31:04
Speaker 3: Wise words, Dan, thank you.
31:07
Speaker 2: After the break the campaigns knocked some sense into government
31:09
Speaker 2: and end the obsession with destructive offshore wind projects. Plus
31:14
Speaker 2: the dad who successfully lobbied for Jack's law in Australia.
31:18
Speaker 2: Who's got the nys off the street in Queensland. It's
31:20
Speaker 2: a big debate in Victoria too. Well, he's taking his
31:23
Speaker 2: law to the UK. Good reception for him, that's coming up,
31:32
Speaker 2: welcome back coming up in New York City has a
31:34
Speaker 2: new mayor, So what does this mean for New Yorkers?
31:37
Speaker 2: But also a resurgence socialist movement? What does that mean
31:40
Speaker 2: for the Trump administration? And we're too now for the Democrats.
31:43
Speaker 3: We'll gore to all of that.
31:43
Speaker 2: But now to the ongoing debate over the impact of
31:46
Speaker 2: offshore wind projects in Australia. The latest to prove for
31:50
Speaker 2: an idyllic corner of northwest Tasmania, where local sphere wind
31:53
Speaker 2: turbines will threaten native BirdLife, not to mention ruin beautiful
31:57
Speaker 2: Christine views. Australia has eighty three offshore wind farms, though
32:03
Speaker 2: none are operational yet, nor has construction progressed enough to
32:07
Speaker 2: provide any electricity. Meghan lapp here is the secretary for
32:12
Speaker 2: the Center for Sustainable Fisheries and a leading campaigner against
32:16
Speaker 2: offshore wind projects. She's here in Australia to Warner set,
32:19
Speaker 2: We're at risk of pursuing a pipe dream that simply
32:22
Speaker 2: does not stack up. Pleased to say that, Megan joins me. Now,
32:26
Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
32:28
Speaker 3: We are, I guess starting to wake up in Australia.
32:31
Speaker 2: I know there's been some really successful community led campaigns
32:35
Speaker 2: in particular pockets around the country, but you are far
32:39
Speaker 2: more advanced than us.
32:41
Speaker 3: Give us a sense of how things are going in
32:43
Speaker 3: the United.
32:44
Speaker 2: States in relation to offshore wind and what has changed
32:49
Speaker 2: I guess there since your election of Donald Trump.
32:53
Speaker 12: Well, thank you very much for having me. Yes, thank
32:57
Speaker 12: god for President Trump. If it wasn't for the Trump administration,
33:00
Speaker 12: we would be in a really bad place. Up until
33:03
Speaker 12: the last days of the Biden administration, they were approving
33:06
Speaker 12: offshore wind projects. They approved eleven projects, and there were
33:10
Speaker 12: over twenty leases up and down the East coast of
33:12
Speaker 12: the United States, and five of those projects are now
33:15
Speaker 12: undergoing construction. But President Trump, true to his campaign promise,
33:20
Speaker 12: issued an executive order on day one that paused offshore
33:24
Speaker 12: all offshore wind approvals and initiated a review of all
33:29
Speaker 12: existing leases and projects. That review is ongoing, and meanwhile,
33:34
Speaker 12: the Trump DOJ has been seeking remands for projects that
33:38
Speaker 12: have ongoing litigation, and just yesterday the courts allowed the
33:44
Speaker 12: remand of the South Coast Wind project.
33:45
Speaker 3: Off the coast of Massachusetts.
33:47
Speaker 12: So that's a real win and we're looking forward to
33:50
Speaker 12: more of those and hopefully stopping the projects that are
33:52
Speaker 12: under construction right now.
33:55
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the data you've got in already
33:57
Speaker 2: about these projects in terms of the associated costs and
34:01
Speaker 2: the eventual energy we're likely to save from them, and
34:04
Speaker 2: also some of the environmental aspects, because I know that's
34:06
Speaker 2: been a feature, particularly in relation to wilds and migratory birds.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely well the costs as far as that goes. Offshore
34:17
Speaker 12: wind has the highest levelized cost of electricity of any
34:21
Speaker 12: electrical source, but the levelized cost of electricity does not
34:26
Speaker 12: account for the intermittency of the wind. You actually have
34:30
Speaker 12: to have base load power running one hundred percent of
34:32
Speaker 12: the time for when the wind drops out, so that
34:34
Speaker 12: is an additional cost. And one analysis that was done
34:38
Speaker 12: for the region where I live in New England estimated
34:42
Speaker 12: that the real cost of offshore wind is up to
34:45
Speaker 12: twelve times more expensive than conventional energy in that region.
34:50
Speaker 12: And we currently have some of the most expensive electricity
34:53
Speaker 12: in the United States as it is, so the costs
34:56
Speaker 12: are out of control. Nobody can afford that. And as
34:59
Speaker 12: far as the environmental impacts, there is nothing cleaner green
35:03
Speaker 12: about industrializing millions of acres of the ocean floor for
35:07
Speaker 12: a power plant. As you mentioned, the whales. In order
35:11
Speaker 12: to construct and survey for these projects, the United States
35:15
Speaker 12: government issued incidental take authorizations that allowed the developers to
35:19
Speaker 12: both permanently and temporarily deafen whales. During a lot of
35:23
Speaker 12: the ongoing surveys, we had massive whale deaths up and
35:26
Speaker 12: down the East Coast. The projects themselves, when they're operating,
35:30
Speaker 12: they emit electromagnetic fields that cause deformities in lobster that
35:35
Speaker 12: prevent haddock larvae from swimming. The infrasound from the operating
35:40
Speaker 12: turbines has been shown to cause a fifty percent decrease
35:44
Speaker 12: in the viability of cod embryos, which means you could
35:47
Speaker 12: look at a population collapse for that stock.
35:50
Speaker 8: And the wind wake effect.
35:52
Speaker 12: The wind turbines steal the wind out of the air,
35:55
Speaker 12: which changes all the ocean dynamics, and in the North
35:57
Speaker 12: Sea they've actually observed up to a ten percent decrease
36:02
Speaker 12: in ocean productivity in the vicinity of wind farm. So
36:05
Speaker 12: there's a lot more there. But the long and short
36:09
Speaker 12: of it is these projects are not environmentally sound, they're
36:12
Speaker 12: not responsible, and they're incredibly expensive.
36:18
Speaker 2: Megan and I am so happy that we have found
36:19
Speaker 2: you in Australia, that you are here and you're boiling
36:22
Speaker 2: the cat on this. But of course I'm going to
36:23
Speaker 2: stay in touch with you because the federal government in
36:26
Speaker 2: Australia has got targets they are a long way from
36:28
Speaker 2: meeting them, so they're now going to start to ram
36:30
Speaker 2: this stuff through with poor planning approvals and foisted on Australians.
36:35
Speaker 2: And we all know you're lucky to get fifteen years
36:38
Speaker 2: out of the heads of some of these turbines, so
36:40
Speaker 2: we will be left with the rotting rust bucket to
36:44
Speaker 2: infrastructure in our seas, all the way along the beautiful
36:47
Speaker 2: Australian coast.
36:48
Speaker 3: As I said, I'm so glad we found you.
36:50
Speaker 2: We need another voice like yours in the debate in Australia.
36:53
Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us tonight. Let's go out
36:55
Speaker 2: of the UK. Let's get the lttest from our Sky
36:57
Speaker 2: News contributor Use Corp European correspondent of course, Sophie Ellsworth.
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Speaker 2: So we've talked about Jack's Law in Australia. This is
37:06
Speaker 2: the father of Jack Beasley who was killed tragically in
37:09
Speaker 2: a stabbing attack in the Gold Coast in twenty nineteen.
37:12
Speaker 2: He has fought so hard to get knives off the streets.
37:17
Speaker 2: He's won that argument in Queensland. He's fighting hard in Victoria,
37:21
Speaker 2: but he's gone up to the UK your way to
37:24
Speaker 2: fight knife crime there.
37:26
Speaker 3: I have a listen.
37:28
Speaker 13: Queen's Eland Police Service have skied over two hundred thousand
37:31
Speaker 13: people and taken some two thousand weapons off the streets
37:34
Speaker 13: testing queens In alone.
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Speaker 11: So the law is a groundbreaking law.
37:38
Speaker 13: In Australia and we think the law will work here
37:40
Speaker 13: in the UK as well.
37:43
Speaker 3: It comes at I was gonna say, a good time.
37:45
Speaker 2: It comes at a tough time in the UK, but
37:47
Speaker 2: timely to have this debate. Of course, you've just had
37:50
Speaker 2: that mass stabbing attack in Cambridge, eleven people hospitalized. How
37:56
Speaker 2: has he been received in the UK?
38:00
Speaker 8: Yeah? Great to be with you, Peter. Look, I spoke
38:02
Speaker 8: to Brett Beasley this week.
38:03
Speaker 14: He's in UK until Friday, having a series of meetings
38:07
Speaker 14: with key politicians, members of Scotland Yard and other organizations
38:13
Speaker 14: here and he's accompanied by two senior police officers, Res
38:16
Speaker 14: Wildman and Brad Ricks and they're really trying to push
38:19
Speaker 14: Peter to have the same legislation Jack's Law introduced here
38:24
Speaker 14: in the UK because of the benefits they've seen in Australia,
38:27
Speaker 14: and their timing is really quite important because, as you
38:31
Speaker 14: just highlighted, we've had a series of stabbings here, including
38:35
Speaker 14: that mass stabbing on a train near Cambridge last weekend
38:38
Speaker 14: that left eleven people hospitalized. So mister Beasley is very inspirational.
38:43
Speaker 14: Peter in really trying to do some good from that
38:47
Speaker 14: horrifying attack that sadly resulted in the death of his
38:51
Speaker 14: seventeen year old son at Service Paradise, and he's been
38:55
Speaker 14: very optimistic that the UK have received him well here
39:00
Speaker 14: and are potentially looking at implementing something similar.
39:05
Speaker 2: It would be to Victoria's great shame if Jack's Law
39:08
Speaker 2: was in London in the UK and it was not
39:12
Speaker 2: here in Victoria because Ja said to Allen has rejected
39:14
Speaker 2: it thus far. Ricky Gervais is the comedian, of course,
39:19
Speaker 2: but he has shaken up things with a transport for
39:22
Speaker 2: London crowd.
39:23
Speaker 3: They're not happy with him, are they.
39:26
Speaker 8: They're certainly not happy with in Peter.
39:28
Speaker 14: He's been posting online for the past a week or
39:31
Speaker 14: so saying he's had these billboards that are really like
39:35
Speaker 14: having mocking some of their situations here. In the UK,
39:40
Speaker 14: and he's saying things like you need to wear a
39:42
Speaker 14: stab vest when you're out in London now and just
39:46
Speaker 14: sort of making light of something.
39:47
Speaker 8: That's obviously incredibly serious.
39:49
Speaker 14: But he's saying these billboards have been rejected by Transport
39:53
Speaker 14: for London.
39:54
Speaker 8: But Ricky Gervais is making a point here.
39:57
Speaker 14: Crime is very serious here in London and in the UK,
40:00
Speaker 14: and he's trying to highlight that. And as we know,
40:03
Speaker 14: he's very outspoken, he's anti woke, and he's trying to
40:07
Speaker 14: push messages such as this.
40:09
Speaker 8: But he says he's been styming along the way.
40:14
Speaker 2: And what about this one to a woman's colleague in
40:16
Speaker 2: Cambridge that the oldest of its kind has face backlash
40:20
Speaker 2: for creating a gender policy stating that it's open to
40:22
Speaker 2: a quote female applicants, including those born as men. I've
40:29
Speaker 2: been giving a break, Sophie.
40:33
Speaker 3: Peter.
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Speaker 14: That's more of some of the madness, unfortunately, that you're
40:36
Speaker 14: seeing here in the UK.
40:37
Speaker 8: And there's very much.
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Speaker 14: A push on inclusivity, but very much at a point
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Speaker 14: where it often impacts women and they're the ones that
40:46
Speaker 14: are the pay the price here. So this is a
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Speaker 14: controversial move by one of the oldest institutions in the
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Speaker 14: universities here in the UK, and one that certainly has
40:55
Speaker 14: drawn a lot of criticism.
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Speaker 2: Yes to going after men's only spaces, it's women's only
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Speaker 2: spaces that are under assault. Can't say that enough. England
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Speaker 2: Rugby has also said the term man of the match
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Speaker 2: it's offensive. It needs to be gender neutral.
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Speaker 3: We're told.
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Speaker 8: That's right, Peter.
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Speaker 14: I mean now for men's sport, they're saying man of
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Speaker 14: the match would be deemed offensive.
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Speaker 8: And again it's back to inclusivity.
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Speaker 14: Perhaps it might be offensive for women's sport, but for
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Speaker 14: men's sport people are saying, really is this serious. So
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Speaker 14: this is another situation here in the UK which has
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Speaker 14: drawn criticism, people saying it's fascical.
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Speaker 8: And where is this going to end.
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Speaker 14: Peter, Where is this push for inclusivity actually going to
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Speaker 14: stop and come back to common sense and past.
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Speaker 2: So let me underscore that you're saying that the men's
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Speaker 2: rugby game that has a man of the match, for
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Speaker 2: the men's rugby game, that's offensive.
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Speaker 14: Well that's what they're saying here, Peter, that to say
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Speaker 14: man of the match is a problem and so it
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Speaker 14: needs to be drawn back so that we're not gender
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Speaker 14: identifying people who are best on field.
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Speaker 8: I mean, figure that one out.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Jesus, I would have thought men's rugby
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Speaker 2: was the last place that they'd go woke. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: there got a big table tennis. But men's rugby. Leave
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Speaker 2: that there, Thank you, Sophie.
42:25
Speaker 3: Stay warm. It was pretty breezy over there all.
42:27
Speaker 2: Right after break, the watch up for the New York
42:28
Speaker 2: mayoral race. What will this mean for the US, but
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Speaker 2: also the Democrats and Trump's pushed to protect protect Christians
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Speaker 2: in Nigeria.
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Speaker 3: That's next.
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Speaker 11: Pretty handsome, welcome back.
42:44
Speaker 3: Let's bring my international Panelskane.
42:46
Speaker 2: He is a contributor Kosher Garda and former labyruym P.
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby, we're talking about someone else in the break.
42:51
Speaker 2: He was very handsome, but you're handsome too, Michael Danby.
42:54
Speaker 2: Give us some give me your take, just high level.
42:58
Speaker 2: Did you ever think he would see us city like
43:00
Speaker 2: New York like someone like Mamdami.
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Speaker 15: I never thought Jeremy Corbyn would be the leader of
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Speaker 15: the Labor Party. So it's very dangerous, Peter. I mean,
43:10
Speaker 15: it's true that only forty percent of eligible voters two
43:14
Speaker 15: million of the five million voted but who knows. Maybe
43:19
Speaker 15: AOC will be the candidate for president against a successor
43:23
Speaker 15: to Trump.
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Speaker 11: Maybe they'll win.
43:26
Speaker 15: Because it's apparent that there's a segment of the population
43:29
Speaker 15: who don't care about economic issues, historical issues, don't know
43:34
Speaker 15: anything about communism, and they're more interested in getting free
43:37
Speaker 15: bus trips and groceries cheap from a government store.
43:41
Speaker 2: It feels like the days of the Clinton's and the
43:45
Speaker 2: Obamas are gone in terms of heavyweights running the Democratic Party.
43:51
Speaker 3: They are.
43:52
Speaker 16: Some of it, I think is just people wanting free
43:54
Speaker 16: staff for memories or sure, if you've talked a lot
43:57
Speaker 16: about immigration changing the electorate, think these ideas like, hey,
44:01
Speaker 16: socialism has never been tried before, let's try it. Maybe
44:03
Speaker 16: we'll be the first ones. We'll fix it. But I
44:05
Speaker 16: also think if you go deeper, the young vote really
44:08
Speaker 16: came out in droves, in droves, and an extra million
44:11
Speaker 16: people got off their couches in New York and voted
44:13
Speaker 16: for him. There are other elections as well before, very
44:17
Speaker 16: high and huge with young people of all stripes who
44:19
Speaker 16: voted for him. And there is something I think worth
44:22
Speaker 16: digging into into why that is. And actually, the great
44:25
Speaker 16: Charlie Kirk put it best because he really had his
44:26
Speaker 16: finger on the pulse of young people, and that is
44:28
Speaker 16: that this is a distress signal. Occupy Wall Street was
44:32
Speaker 16: Bernie and aaocr and Trump even is on the other side,
44:34
Speaker 16: coming at it from the right, where if you don't
44:37
Speaker 16: fix young people's problems economically, they are going to get
44:40
Speaker 16: more radical politically, and they that may come from the
44:42
Speaker 16: right or the left. And I think that's actually a
44:44
Speaker 16: big story coming out of all the elections yesterday.
44:47
Speaker 2: I also think, in part agree with you, but we've
44:51
Speaker 2: never been more prosperous. I know we can argue about
44:54
Speaker 2: how equitably that wilth is shared, but I think part
44:57
Speaker 2: of it also is that young people have never had
44:59
Speaker 2: the privations of the Depression era. They've never had the
45:02
Speaker 2: world wars that their grandparents had. Basically, in global terms,
45:07
Speaker 2: we've never had it this good in the West, and
45:09
Speaker 2: I feel like we've become fat and lazy, and increasingly
45:13
Speaker 2: we're uneducated. So when you talk about something like socialism,
45:16
Speaker 2: and their grandparents might warn them and say this is crazy,
45:20
Speaker 2: they go, oh, yeah, what.
45:20
Speaker 3: Does it matter?
45:21
Speaker 15: But if you don't know about that, if Antonio grahamsheet
45:24
Speaker 15: the Italian Communists Long March with the institutions has been successful.
45:29
Speaker 11: Over the last twenty.
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Speaker 3: Or three, we've dumbed down our young laty.
45:32
Speaker 11: They don't know about these kind of things.
45:33
Speaker 15: They don't care about them, and their immediate hedonistic instincts
45:38
Speaker 15: take primacy over, you know, their grandparents' warnings.
45:41
Speaker 3: The Jews feel safe in New York.
45:43
Speaker 11: Now, I would imagine that they don't.
45:45
Speaker 15: But I imagine a lot of people don't feel safe
45:47
Speaker 15: if he's going to do to the police what he
45:49
Speaker 15: says he's going to do.
45:50
Speaker 16: And the under forty five group, even in the Jewish
45:53
Speaker 16: community did built for him, really sixty percent, so young
45:57
Speaker 16: people back to that point, including the Jewish community, Christian secularists,
46:01
Speaker 16: everybody voted.
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Speaker 11: For a great Jewish word sugar crazy.
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Speaker 3: Crazy, Okay, what's the lightest there?
46:08
Speaker 16: It ticks on. I think we've crossed the threshold of
46:11
Speaker 16: the longest shutdown ever, which was in Trump's first term.
46:13
Speaker 16: Both sides were staring each other down. I think after yesterday,
46:16
Speaker 16: maybe the Democrats have a little bit of a pep
46:18
Speaker 16: in their step again. So I don't know where this
46:21
Speaker 16: is going to buckle. Trump is not backing down from it,
46:23
Speaker 16: because in the last shutdown he did, he actually capitulated
46:26
Speaker 16: on border funding of the wall, which was a signature
46:28
Speaker 16: issue this time. All of that has been funded in
46:30
Speaker 16: that one big, beautiful bill, So he's actually got a
46:33
Speaker 16: lot of leverage and he's willing to let that be
46:37
Speaker 16: and see if the other side blinks first. But we
46:39
Speaker 16: are coming up to the midterms and that's not going
46:41
Speaker 16: to I think, come into the calculation of depending on
46:44
Speaker 16: who the public and the electorate is going to blame,
46:46
Speaker 16: and there's polling that suggests both that side probably is
46:49
Speaker 16: going to factor that in.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to some comments he's made.
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Speaker 2: He has put stuff out a written form in relationship
46:55
Speaker 2: to Christians in Nigeria, Michael, but he's actually gone on
46:58
Speaker 2: camera today.
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Speaker 3: I think we've got a grab.
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Speaker 17: Let's if the Nigerian government continues to allow the killing
47:04
Speaker 17: of Christians, the USA will immediately stop all aid and
47:08
Speaker 17: assistance to Nigeria. We're going to do things to Nigeria
47:12
Speaker 17: that Nigeria is not going to be happy about, and
47:15
Speaker 17: may very well go into that now disgrace country. Guns
47:18
Speaker 17: are blazing to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who
47:22
Speaker 17: are committing these horrible, horrible atrocities.
47:28
Speaker 2: I want to get to Iran to Michael. But just
47:30
Speaker 2: quickly on this, what's this going to end up looking like?
47:33
Speaker 3: You think?
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Speaker 15: Well, again, I think it's going to have an unintended consequence.
47:36
Speaker 15: I think it's going to alienate the mega base. I mean,
47:39
Speaker 15: they don't want to be involved in Nigeria, even if
47:41
Speaker 15: it's worthwhile Christians, and in fact, the situation of Christians
47:44
Speaker 15: in Mali is worse. The situation of minority Muslim African
47:50
Speaker 15: people in Western Sudan is far worse than in Nigeria.
47:55
Speaker 15: So I think that Donald's got his priorities mixed up
47:56
Speaker 15: a bit.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly your thoughts.
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Speaker 16: I think he'll go for economically rus his favorite right
48:03
Speaker 16: stopping aid which we give a lot to the lakes
48:05
Speaker 16: of Nations, which the mega crowd will long lake. But
48:07
Speaker 16: Boot's on the ground is dead on I ra okay.
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Speaker 2: Iran Revolutionary gre We've been saying for a long time
48:13
Speaker 2: on the federal government has it they'ren abandoned. Finally the
48:15
Speaker 2: legislation got through the parliament. Why has it taken so long?
48:19
Speaker 15: The Iranian Revolutionary Guards are the SS of the Mulah
48:24
Speaker 15: regime in Iran. They have their own army, their own
48:27
Speaker 15: intelligence service, and their own finances, and in a little
48:31
Speaker 15: noticed part of Mike Burgess's speech, he thanked the Mossad
48:34
Speaker 15: for identifying this fellow SADA.
48:37
Speaker 3: In relation to the senatego I was the guy.
48:38
Speaker 15: Who coordinated all of the attacks on Australia, but in
48:41
Speaker 15: fact coordinates all the crimson all over the world to
48:44
Speaker 15: attack various Westerns.
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Speaker 2: Finally, finally, but I don't think it needs to take
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Speaker 2: as long as it does in Australia.
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Speaker 3: At the moment, everything is taking.
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Speaker 11: They haven't stopped, they stopped.
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Speaker 3: I love it there, Thank you both. That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: Have a lovely weekend. I'll see you Monday at six.
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Speaker 3: It's Andrew