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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 371 - Dallas 2025 JFK Conference Recap · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please? The
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  Speaker 1: show starts in ten nine eight seven, six, five four
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  Speaker 1: three two one go.
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  Speaker 2: Is that to me? The job job and made and movies,
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  Speaker 3: Job Front job Bandya.
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  Speaker 2: Sellow Joe kill we.
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  Speaker 4: And here we go.
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  Speaker 5: That's right. What's up everybody? We're here? We're here. It's
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  Speaker 5: Friday night, day after Thanksgiving. Your boy is stuffed, still
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  Speaker 5: full of turkey and stuffing and gravy. I think, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: if I fell down the stairs coming down here, I'd
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  Speaker 5: fall and break my leg and gravy would fall out.
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  Speaker 5: But how's your Thanksgiving? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: It was really nice. It was really nice. Spent it
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  Speaker 2: with my dad and my dad's side of the family.
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  Speaker 2: I have some pictures coming later on of some of
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  Speaker 2: the Italian cuisine nice and uh, yeah it was nice.
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  Speaker 2: It was chill. A girlfriends back in Pennsylvania. So it's
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  Speaker 2: just me and the ruby and uh yeah we're hanging.
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  Speaker 5: So you get the whole house to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no women, no women bothering me. Uh and I
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  Speaker 2: hope she's not watching.
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  Speaker 5: Just this man.
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  Speaker 2: But how was your sir, it was good.
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  Speaker 5: It's good. Like I said, dude, I way too much
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  Speaker 5: suffered for it all day to day. It's about but
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  Speaker 5: totally worth it because it was damn delicious. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it times a year, you know, it's okay. Yeah at least.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's that uh a great scene in The Sopranos
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  Speaker 2: where one of the captains ends up dying on a
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  Speaker 2: toilet after Thanksgiving because he ate too much turkey and
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  Speaker 2: because my bowels are stuffed or something, uh, Gigi and uh,
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  Speaker 2: he ended up dying on the toilet.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a little fun you.
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  Speaker 2: Not the best on the pichia Do they call it.
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  Speaker 5: The We call that around here, going out like Elvis?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah good, it's funny because someone said Elvis went out
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  Speaker 2: like that in the in the Sopranos. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: it's been all up in my my reeles, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving themes, you know. Yeah, but yeah, man, it's good. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I uh been putting together this PowerPoint of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of interesting stuff. We're gonna do some Thanksgiving theme type
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  Speaker 2: of JFK stuff and kind of interweave it with a
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  Speaker 2: kind of fun hangout, chill show. Right, take a break, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: take a break from our serious research that we've done
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  Speaker 2: in the past few weeks.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, I wish I could say the same about other people.
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  Speaker 6: We got a new segment to debut tonight, Joe, Yes,
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  Speaker 6: we do. Yeah, but before we do, let's welcome in
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  Speaker 6: the folks.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, we got Tiny first in line.
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  Speaker 2: Second, I was first, Well you don't count okay, your first? Tiny?
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  Speaker 5: Sally up in here? Who else we got? They were
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  Speaker 5: chitty chatting back and forth. There will be Brandon's up
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  Speaker 5: in here? Hey, d House?
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  Speaker 2: You know, funny question because I members only remember we said, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we referred to Sally as a smoke show. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: translate to uh the other side of the pond. So
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  Speaker 2: she had to look it up. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: she knew if it was good or bad. It is good.
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  Speaker 5: It just it's a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good thing. It's a compliment.
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  Speaker 5: It is a compliment. Zendar. What's up, buddy?
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  Speaker 2: Hey?
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  Speaker 5: Who else we got up in here? Internet slacker? It'slacker Dan,
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  Speaker 5: what's up, buddy? James up in the house, James Smith,
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  Speaker 5: the man with the ordinary name. What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Derek Ward? Did you say him? Marty? I did I
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  Speaker 2: call it d w d w Okay, I missed that.
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  Speaker 5: Got it Toops from down under? What's up Toops? Buddy?
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  Speaker 5: Jack is in the house. What's up Jack?
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  Speaker 2: Hey? Jack? How are you? Sir?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's all that is participating right this second, But
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  Speaker 5: that is not all that is here. We can see
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  Speaker 5: you even if you don't talk, so welcome in everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I like this man, I like this. I like this
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  Speaker 5: new setup here. We can see everybody's profile. Pick nice
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  Speaker 5: and big and large and in charge.
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  Speaker 2: I am loving eve MUCKs as well. And we haven't
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  Speaker 2: even mastered it yet.
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  Speaker 5: We have not because I have not seen our names
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  Speaker 5: up here yet. I don't know where they went.
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  Speaker 2: Oh aren't they supposed to come on every like thirty
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  Speaker 2: seconds or something.
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  Speaker 5: They are, but I haven't seen them. Has anybody else
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  Speaker 5: seen him?
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  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't the Triple B. I quit cigarettes about
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  Speaker 2: three years ago, and I'm actually this is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be my last vape. Of course I said that ten
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  Speaker 2: vapes ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not supposed to do it in the house
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  Speaker 5: normally his girls there, but she's away for the weekend,
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  Speaker 5: so he's vaping free tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Unless he's watching the replay you're not here members only.
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  Speaker 2: I don't worry about it. She's not a member. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we had a good time my members only. We did
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  Speaker 2: a brief recap of Lancer, but we really wanted to
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  Speaker 2: save most of it for tonight.
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  Speaker 5: He says. Our name tags are enabled. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I even went all through all the trouble of uploading
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  Speaker 2: my avatar, which is working the other day.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know what the sam hell
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  Speaker 5: is going on. Anyway, It's all good. So as most
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  Speaker 5: of you know who've been following along with the show
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  Speaker 5: and members only and all that good stuff. What's up?
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  Speaker 5: Grunge music? Welcome in, Welcome in. Edibles work better anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's actually nicotine.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, just nicotine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, allegedly sometimes sometimes sometimes not.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes a little both. Yes, we do better work out
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  Speaker 5: on edibles.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have a strict no smoke policy at least
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  Speaker 2: seven hours before the show, like sometimes sometimes depending on
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  Speaker 2: the Friday. But yeah, how was how was everyone's Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 2: I uh, I am kind of messing with the power
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  Speaker 2: point now. Paula sent me a nice picture of a
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  Speaker 2: pie she baked, which I'm trying.
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  Speaker 5: To paul listened to a picture of her pie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want you the lucky boy?
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  Speaker 5: Kay? Was it?
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  Speaker 2: We will see? Don't don't shut the gun. M hmm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still uploading it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh Lord, what's happening in Joelene Peak?
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's pecan pie or almond pie.
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  Speaker 4: Mhm, not all my can you can pie?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's because yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Fuck up a peaking pie. Yes, south to West it is.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to believe, but yeah, I trust it. It's
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  Speaker 5: Friday already, I know.
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  Speaker 2: He says that a lot and uh, time is a
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  Speaker 2: fly in that is for sure. We are.
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  Speaker 5: We had planned for Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we We had planned to have a guest on.
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  Speaker 2: I was supposed to procure one at Lancer. That was
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  Speaker 2: one of my tasks. And I failed at this task,
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  Speaker 2: Misa miserably, but maybe not miserably, if you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of ship up here, Joline. I'm like
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  Speaker 5: the teacher, you know. I try to learn all my
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  Speaker 5: students' names by the at least by the second or
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  Speaker 5: third month in the year. Uh. But yeah. Joe's journey
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  Speaker 5: to Dallas started off a little rocky. Oh and he
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  Speaker 5: was supposed to be on a podcast panel with Matt
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  Speaker 5: Crumpton and Jeff Crudell, and apparently there was some horses
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  Speaker 5: asked going on with the airports and airlines and a
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  Speaker 5: lot of flights were getting canceled, yes, and moved around
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  Speaker 5: and shuffled around and all kinds of ship welcome, Mi, sir,
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  Speaker 5: who do DBK assassin from the JFK group might have
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  Speaker 5: might have been you can't rule it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that is true.
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  Speaker 5: We've had John lenn back on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have him back on again. And see
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  Speaker 2: how Cooper Khn went because.
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  Speaker 5: Man, the book coming out too on Lauren Hall.
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  Speaker 2: So Bilin back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, he's going even deeper.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, Jeff Cardill did not make it to Dallas,
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  Speaker 5: be replaced by Jess Connell.
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  Speaker 7: And uh.
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  Speaker 5: So, first, Joe, tell us how you're Let's start off
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  Speaker 5: on a good note and tell us how your presentation
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  Speaker 5: went with or your panel with Matt and Jess went.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, well, we were at four pm Central time, which
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  Speaker 2: is kind of we were right before Mark Damn Chep
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  Speaker 2: and Adam Eyler and Adam Andrew Eiler, sorry Andrew, and
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  Speaker 2: uh then there was the banquet on Saturday night, because
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  Speaker 2: of course we had done that update on Friday night
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  Speaker 2: last week. And this is not coming from me, but
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  Speaker 2: allegedly we stole the show because these kafuzas, like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that were speaking, didn't really have much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I love Lancer. It was my third
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  Speaker 2: year there in a row, right, but the lack of
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  Speaker 2: original research was disappointing to me. And I say that
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  Speaker 2: with all honesty and also with the asterisk that I
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  Speaker 2: did not see every every presentation. But I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we in the past three weeks have had more original
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  Speaker 2: research than that whole conference did combined. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: say that to you know, be mean toul answer.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: It just was, you know, people either talking about recycled
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  Speaker 2: research or you know, and there were some good presentations.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about them, but we were you know,
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  Speaker 2: Matt and I obviously we went on his podcast. He
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  Speaker 2: came on here. The kids called that a pod swap,
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  Speaker 2: and we were hanging out all day and wife swap.
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  Speaker 5: What is that kind of like wife swapping.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah, I think that's like in the same
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  Speaker 2: similar Now do yours? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
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  Speaker 5: Then we'll give him back to these other Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Matt was was kind of like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to say the moderator, but he kind of
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  Speaker 2: definitely let it in a sense. And the funny thing is,
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  Speaker 2: I told a story to the members only on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: He did a little public research poll and he goes
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  Speaker 2: who thought LBJ was involved? Ninety percent of the hands
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  Speaker 2: go up, who thought the CIA was involved, ninety percent
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  Speaker 2: of the hands go up, who thought the FBI and
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  Speaker 2: Hoover involved, ninety percent of the hands grow up who
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  Speaker 2: thought the MATHIA was involved, ninety percent of the hands
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  Speaker 2: go up, who thought the Huban exiles were involved, eighty
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  Speaker 2: percent of the hits up, and like on and on,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like how big do you think this could be?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I think that was me
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  Speaker 2: probably the America's Untold Untrue Stories, which I will get
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  Speaker 2: to their presentation, which was cringe worthy and that's a
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  Speaker 2: nice way to put it. Totally irrelevant to the JFK
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  Speaker 2: assassination an assassination research, and that was interesting. That shocked me.
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  Speaker 2: But we got into questions like, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 2: we started off, what is your motivation for doing this? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And it's obviously not money. You and I are not
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  Speaker 2: getting rich of this by any means, and we never will.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have books out.
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  Speaker 8: You haven't seen the road like side, you know, to
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  Speaker 8: what extent is it worth it to debate low nutters?
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  Speaker 2: And I brought up Fred Litwood and how there is
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  Speaker 2: some some value in it, right, but shouldn't be like
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  Speaker 2: a focus, but good to do once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: What's the craziest find you ever had? While you were
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  Speaker 2: doing the podcast? And of course James Herbert Martin came up,
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  Speaker 2: and just like when we went on his show and
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  Speaker 2: talked about James Herbert Martin, almost all of the audience
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  Speaker 2: had no idea about you know, the direct line to
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  Speaker 2: the White House.
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  Speaker 5: Who Brandon coming through? Oh wow, your sunglasses perpetually fall
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  Speaker 5: onto video game controller's proud face whatever the hell that means?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he he did say. He did say he
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  Speaker 2: was going to get crazy drunk with his friends tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So right, yeah, so maybe that's why it doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: But thank you the DOUBLEB. We love you. He texted
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  Speaker 2: me yesterday. He was my first text when I woke up,
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  Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving and thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Brandon is in the house.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome in, Chuck, oh hey Chuck, and yeah, so actually
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  Speaker 9: let's uh uh, let's uh, you know, Chuck had gotten
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: in a little bit of a car accident and we
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  Speaker 9: want to wish him all our best here at the
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  Speaker 9: Lone Government Podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, Joe, ten pounds is fill on my lap ten
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  Speaker 5: pounds of sexy, Yeah, towards the rolex. Thank you, Sally.
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  Speaker 2: We'll better support that with me, Bro. But but mister
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  Speaker 2: Chuck did get into an accident, a car accident, and
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  Speaker 2: hopefully he is okay, he is recovering. I guess he
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: was with Kenneth Zedeker. And you know, I went on
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: a show a couple of weeks ago to promote Lancer
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  Speaker 2: and I have this photo, glossy photo of James Herbert Martin.
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  Speaker 2: He gave me last year at Lancer and I always
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  Speaker 2: give him props for that. So best wishes, Chuck. I
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  Speaker 2: hope you recover well and and everything's okay.
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  Speaker 5: And hopefully you weren't driving.
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  Speaker 2: Bro.
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  Speaker 5: You know you are the blind z AFK researcher, so
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  Speaker 5: hopefully hopefully that wasn't you driving. But we're glad you're okay,
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  Speaker 5: and uh, you know we can joke about now you're okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we joke about my scooter accident. And ironically enough,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Crumpton had a little gimbal which was like a
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  Speaker 2: goal pro and he got a picture of me almost
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: getting hit by the box truck crossing the Stemens Freeway
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to try to get to the James Tag spot. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: we have a picture of that. I'll show him a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. I didn't get the video, Rob, They will
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  Speaker 2: do that later.
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  Speaker 5: But oh, you failed at a task soccer.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: You're so hard. You're so hard on me. Brouh. But
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: but yeah, we wish Chuck the best. He is definitely
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: one of the good guys. And uh, you know, definitely
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  Speaker 2: give your prayers to him for a quick recovery. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: thank you for popping in, Tuck. We appreciate it. Let's
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  Speaker 2: see where was.
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  Speaker 5: I tell him to watch a real dafk assassination research show.
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  Speaker 5: I see what you should have told him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Chuck, Well, well, Chuck agreed, he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's right. Most presenter sucked and I was. It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little disappointing in terms of just the
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  Speaker 2: lack of original critical thinking, right. Uh. And there were
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  Speaker 2: good there were people that were good, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: catch all of them, but from what I saw, it
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  Speaker 2: was a little the quality wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's no saying, Joe, quality over quantity, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: And I understand you want to pack your roster full date,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for three days, but you know I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: It just makes sense to me that you'd rather have
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  Speaker 5: more quality presentations than quantity of presentations and try to
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  Speaker 5: figure out you know, hey, just do it for a
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  Speaker 5: day if you have to. If that's all the decent
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  Speaker 5: presenters you got, jam them on Saturday and call it
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  Speaker 5: a day. Yeah, you know, other than that, you're wasting
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  Speaker 5: everybody's freaking time. I mean, there's got to be some
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: kind of a a vetting process going forward, you know,
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  Speaker 5: instead of just handing any kafuza, you know, with a
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  Speaker 5: laptop and let him present something. You just got to
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: be like, look, what are you gonna be talking about?
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  Speaker 5: And then if it's interesting, fine you're in. If it's not,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: if it's the same old song and dance and nothing new,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: then sorry, you're gonna have to help your game a
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: little bit if you want to speak here, Bud, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paula said, the AOS group groupie at my
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  Speaker 2: table asked me who Martin was, And I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: blame him for not knowing who Martin was because there's
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  Speaker 2: a few of them. I mean, I would assume he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was Jack Martin, but you know, we were talking,
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about James Herbert Martin, and Matt Crumpton
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  Speaker 2: did a great job at at at asking me questions
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  Speaker 2: of wait, say that again. He had a direct line
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  Speaker 2: to his house installed to the White House Communications Building. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: his wife was under oral contract of the CIA. And
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  Speaker 2: then we also went into John T. Martin, so he
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  Speaker 2: was really like kind of probing me on that, on that,
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  Speaker 2: and we were kind of like flowing, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: every I was for an hour after, I was swarmed
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  Speaker 2: by a ton of different people just coming up to
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  Speaker 2: me and talking and asking me questions. And I felt
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  Speaker 2: that it was one of the highlights, if not the
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  Speaker 2: highlight on Saturday because America's Untrue Stories presentation with Growden
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  Speaker 2: Bless his Heart. Literally maybe five to ten percent was
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  Speaker 2: related to JFK. Everything else was old movies. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it was CIA and movies or something like that. But
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, let's pick our old favorite movies and play
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: some clips. I was lost. I was like, what is
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  Speaker 2: the relevance of this? And I get it. They draw
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  Speaker 2: people and that's important.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's your big ticket draw and for your
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  Speaker 5: presentation to not even be ten percent related to JFK
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  Speaker 5: and a JFK conference a research conference is horseshit. I'll
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  Speaker 5: just say it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, Chuck had a good presentation. I actually missed
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  Speaker 2: it in person, Chuck, but I saw it on the
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  Speaker 2: live stream replay on assassination the JFK Lancer site and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it was really good. So I definitely, uh tip my
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: hat to use sir for that. But yeah, but like
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the people, it was just recycled stuff,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: old stuff or irrelevant stuff. You know. Alex Harris had
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a good had a good presentation. You know, he's always
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: doing new things. Of course, I didn't see bills, mister Simpachus,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: so I can't comment on that. I obviously missed all
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: A Friday because of my flight, so that fucked everything up.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I heard Abbots was really good. Paula gave us that update,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: but of course he was on our show, so it
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: was similar. And we're gonna get to some of the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: pictures of when mister Paul Abbott gave a a personal
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: tour of the Dallas Municipal Building, and I have pictures
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of the ramp and the side entrance that Ruby could
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: have possibly gone through, so Pall's chest.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Chest whatever, you know. When he was talking, I'm sure.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say who, but we were joking
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that he's a dreamy fellow. I dreamy mate, he said,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: mate a lot.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: He isn't down under.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be the accent, but he's just so
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: nice of a guy in person. And he was giving
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: tours throughout the whole weekend to people who wanted to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: go there, and he explained to them.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: You know, he was down under him. That was a
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: good one. You gotta admit.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It was okay, it was okay.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Was it good?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It was good. But I think Paula went on that
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: as well. Simplicity held the model for the ballistics guy.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: I don't know what that means, Simpach, simplicity, I don't know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: you're gonna.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Have to.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Held the model head for the ballistics guy.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean good food at the banquet, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I was. There was a point where Grubert said something
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: pretty racist in terms of Chinese people in their eyes,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and I literally had to cover my face and mouth
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: for two minutes, and at some point everyone at the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: table were like, Joe, are you okay? And I was like, no,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: this is just ridiculous. Uh So at least we got
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I got a good laugh out of it, and I
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: even shook Huntley's hand and said, hey, I'm from the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Lonecoming podcast. I don't know if he even knew who
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I was or not, but uh, I don't take anything personal,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: like it's JFK research, right, I'm not gonna go up
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and start a fight with the guy, you know what
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe they those guys, right, Oh, I'm.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Very aware, but no Verbert said that, but I don't
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: even think he knows. And and by the way they
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you would think they would be at other conferences during
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the day, during the weekend, other presentations, I'm sorry, not conferences.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Well, they were not in the conference for all, you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, they were not. I did not see them,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong someone that was there. I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: did not see them at one other person's presentation. They
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: could care less, And uh, I think that's pretty disappointing
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and kind of points to their lack of curiosity, Like
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: we know all of it like we got to figure
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it out, like why do we need to go early
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: type of thing. And I know Chuck is not a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: fan of them either.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: See somebody had told me that Chuck, that Chuck, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: were part you were part of the lancer uh brain
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: crew there.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Well he yeah, he was the the MC.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: No, I mean part of putting putting it all together. Yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: well on the board, if you will, an unpaid an
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: unpaid position. Yeah. Well but yeah, I don't know. Like
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I said, they brought in a US for the numbers
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: because they saw what happened last year without And I
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: told Kenneth early this year that I wasn't going to
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: play in their reindeer games and and promote that after
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: the horse shit they did last you know, two years ago.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: So we did our own thing here in the month
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: of November. And uh, you know Joe decided to go
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: down there, that's one of him. But well, I saw
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: the writing on the wall in twenty nineteen.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the main reason I like to go
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: down there is to hang out with the whole means network,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you know, people like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Without taking part what I said, you could have done
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: that without taking part.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: No, not in the way we scaffoozed around and had
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a million laughs and went out to lunch and breakfast
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and laughed.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Without going to the conference.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Not not really, not in the way that we did.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: We had a we essentially, it was a foursome in
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: a no gay way. Me, Matt Crumpton, Andrew Isler and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: market dam checked. I was surrounded by lawyers and we
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: just we were just like it felt like frack guys
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you hadn't seen in college, friends you hadn't seen in
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: ten years, and you got back together and you just
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: laughed at everything. Right this the Skaffoozerie and Daley Plaza
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: with the GfK Junior people, you know, interrupting the taps
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that's being played during the moment of silence, and.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: That whole moment of silent thing is a bunch of bullshit.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but it is. It's a song and dance
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: for Judy Baker.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Well I do have some pictures of her. I'm sure
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I did send you a video too. There was a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there was like an old classic muscle car convoy that
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: came down Elm right at twelve thirty that like drowned
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: out any sound of anything. I don't know if it
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: was purposeful or not. They had police escorts like DPD escorts.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It was weird, man. But it point is I got
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to see a lot of old friends make new friends,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of what it is all about. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I wish I had more time there if my flight
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: didn't get canceled. But it is what it is. So
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: let do you want me to start with some of
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: my power point or or do you want to uh
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: start first?
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead, I'm just I'm just reading some comments.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Welcome in Peach Sister's kitchen.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh this is just a little.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead and show us some things.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Joseph Montage here for the cover photo of my power point.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But this was you know, I got to meet Janet
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Banister as well. Of course is a sweetheart. She's you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: obviously alone nutterer, but she's a very sweet lady.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Uh, And she's a lone nutter. She just she hasn't
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: been turned yet.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, we will turn her.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: You never answered my question about seeing her in person?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: What was it?
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: We'll talk after the show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: This is me, Matt Crumpton and Mark Damchuck. We are
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: kind of on the other side here of.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Ting.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, obviously TSBD in the background. It was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a really nice day besides the chem charals. And this
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is this is I'm left here, me and Matt Crumpton.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: We nobody's seeing the all on.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Oh h, I'll reshare when I can.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: You're on it. You're sharing.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Do you see the cover page? Okay, yep, that's a
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: speaker list. This is the scaffosas. I believe Andrew Eiler
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: took this picture. Uh, this is me and Crumpton at
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the tag spot where he got his ricochet. I guess
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it was. And you have mister Mark damn check here
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: kind of lining up possible front the possible frontal shot.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe the month of the neck. But of course, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: we're just kind of messing around here. Here we have
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the entrance to the ramp that Jack Ruby allegedly went down.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And of course the irony here is weapons are prohibited
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: pursuant to the Texas Penal Code.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Penal code.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: They did not. Yeah, I guess it wasn't.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: The name dick off if they found you with a gun.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I went up to these uh uh
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: these holes here, these little rectangles, these lines here, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and took a picture of the ramp down, which I thought.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Was kind of cool, right yeah, healthy and ship yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: but uh.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: So on the right, here is the Western Union which
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: is now h what is it a bond Bond's beil
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: pale bondsman office.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Or if you need a divorce or if you need a.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Divorce or anything, which is kind of funny, but that's
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a that's maybe like two buildings two stores down from
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the municipal building, so it is really close. On the left,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: here is the side entrance to the municipal building, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: here you have the sexy Paul Rabbit here me Andrew Eiler,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the damn Check Crumpton, and Jess Connell, who we saw
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: there as we were waiting for our breakfast breakfast reservation
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: at the Statler Hilton, which of course is where James R.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Permartin worked. And I believe Paul thinks that he went
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: through this this way instead of the ramp.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Paul's got a wide stance there and he must shut up.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Then we have the Skaffooseri and Delle Plaza.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: You have who's the chicken and leather pants in the middle.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I wish I.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Did, but all the lure man's to the touch.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: She's in tights. Yeah, you have this skaffooza here. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: don't even know who the hell he is talking, so
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Uh. You obviously have Janet and Robert Roden, who are
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: there every year on the right. You have the JFK
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Junior people with their JFK Junior QAnon jerseys, waiting any
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: year now for JFK Jr. To come back in and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: save us all.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: And and you.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Have all the cars honking, and it's a mess. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: this is during the moment of silence, so it's like
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: so disrespectful. We we did go over to the South Knoll,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: go over the the overpass, and that was cool. This
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: is a really good pick I got from facing the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: what do you call it, Parugola?
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, paruga you got it?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't facing the knoll. Yeah, it varies by
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: when I was there.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen, we went into the top of that
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: thing at real tall building. There's you can like observe
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: ship over the edge at the very top mm hmm.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: And I got a cool pick of Deally plaise at
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: night from up there. Oh along went to Dallas Skyline
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: how it's all kind of like Neon frame some of
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: the buildings. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: That is cool. I didn't know you could do that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I would have maybe done it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Scootered over there.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: You scootered over I did to that building and a
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: bird scooter.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're a better scooter than I am. Uh but
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: but this was a good This was a cool, cool pick.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: There were a lot there were a couple hundred people there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I'd say, uh, you know, it was kind of chaos,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of like a car accident, you can't
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: look away when it happens type of thing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: When I was there, we scootered all the way to
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: deep Elam, which is like blocks and blocks and blocks
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: like way down. It was awesome. I was and I
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: didn't wreck once. Wow.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were scooters outside of the thing. I did
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: not get on them. Let's put us back up there.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want to mess with it. You're up there, bro,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I stopped sharing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Oh you mean put us as in me and you?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, our pretty faces. But uh yeah, I mean there
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: were highlights, there were down lights. Overall, I had a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: good time hanging out with our crew that we kind
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of made and there are some interesting possible developments, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I think we really crushed it. Matt Crumpton had a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: lot of really good things to say about the Lone
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Government podcast and how we are really uh one of
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the few that is doing original research, and we do
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it on a weekly basis here or by or twice
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: a week, uh if you remember, and uh a lot
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: of good feedback. So I was happy with it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Man, Well, I'm glad you had a good time, Joe.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Thank you. The obvious difficulties with conferences nowadays, I've been
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: disillusion with the with the whole conference thing for a
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: while now. I don't want to I don't want to
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: be a Debbie downer on them. I just think that
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: the entire structure of those things need to be changed
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: to fit with the times.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know, and I don't know what the solution is.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying something needs to change with those things, right,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's just they used to serve a purpose,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: right for people that weren't in the loop, you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: who weren't on these email chains, who weren't trading letters
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: and ideas behind the scenes, you know, just the average people.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: You know, if you were just an average person, you'd
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: have to go to these conferences to learn anything or
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: actually read a book. You know, back back in the day,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: you know, when these conference things started, they served a purpose.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: And now you know, and the time, like I said
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: that we could share a presentation here like you we
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: did last week to the world for free immediately and
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: and you don't even have to leave your house. I mean,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: that's pretty sweet.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: No, the medium has changed, and I feel like they
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: do need to adapt. Of course, there is the virtual
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: version as well, but that would.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Need to be.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Put together differently as well too. I mean, if you're
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: videoing an actual event with bad audio and bad visuals
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: and then streaming it, well that's not solving anything either.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: You know, you would almost have to pre prepare, have
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: people pre prepare a presentation like we do, where you
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: can show documents legibly and have no audio issues, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: then put together a package if you will, seemen all
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: together and then you know, if you wanted to charge
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: admission you know, or whatever to see it, that's one
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: thing that you could do. But yeah, I just don't
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: know what the idea. And like you said, the best
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: thing about going to conferences is meeting these other people
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: with like minded things. But there's other things that you
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: can do without having to have a conference as a
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: backdrop to meet like minded people once a year, I
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: mean on the anniversary the assassination. You know, people that
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: are interested in it, they're going to make that mecca
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: trip to Dallas regardless. And as long as you have
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: a network, I mean, you can put together a Facebook
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: group Dallas meet up this year and coordinate everything where
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: you don't have to go in a hotel to a conference,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: go around and hang out with people that you wanted
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: to talk to and see the sites, go to the
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: different places around Dallas or New Orleans or wherever you go,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: and just have a good time and hang out and
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: not have to worry about that structure thing you know.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Or flights are traveling or dropping over a grand.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, still got to travel somewhere to meet everybody, right, right?
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: But again, do you I mean, do you feel like
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: you got your money's worth out of your your hotel
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: and your travel from the conference?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I paid for two I paid for
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: two nights and I stayed one night, so because of
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: my flight situation, So I guess the answer to that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: would be no, but I.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Just hypothetically, if you got there on time and everything
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: went fine, do you think that you would have been
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: happy on your return of investment.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: From a research point of view?
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: From the reason you go there. You're going to a
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: conference to learn something, right, do you feel like you
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: would have gotten a good ROI from the conference itself
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: exclude everything else?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Then that's a problem.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: You know, if you spend all this money to go
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: to this place and you can't hear people, you can't
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: see documents, the presentations aren't up to par. I mean,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: someone's got to give right, at least to me. And
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: until somebody figures out how to fix that, your boy
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: won't be there. Right. What's up? T Busy? We see you?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Tea?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Biz Tiny said, uh, just so you know. Jess had
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: great things to say about lg P podcast in her
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: video drop today, although she couldn't remember Rob's name, she said,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: y'all are amazing And Jess is she She completely won
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: me over. She is a sweetheart and she is a machine.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: She left the banquet early to do two interviews after
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the banquet, and then the next morning we see her
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: interviewing Abbot in front of the you know, in the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the DPD building, municipal building, right like she's just she's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a machine. She just keeps going at it. It's crazy.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: She has a ton of energy. I wish I had
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: her energy and uh and I I really I'm happy
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: to call her a friend.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: So chase around nine kids, you have this, you have
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: some antey Joe.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Chuck said, will soon just be stuck with j JFK
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: or she's very baker conference in Dallas. Yeah, well she
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: can't live forever either. At some point she's gonna fall
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: off the map. Of course it hasn't happened yet. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: then you also then you got the JFK Historical Society
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: guys right in behind her, who I'm sure will continue
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: to do uh something. And again it's it's whatever. You
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: know that that's always been like the well I always
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: call it the cuckoo conference or the fringe conference. And
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: if that's what people want to go pay for and
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: sit through, then whatever, You're never gonna change your mind.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: But I mean the serious people who go to hear
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: serious research and new ideas, you know, I get it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: But again, we don't have to go to a conference
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: to do that anymore, Chuck. They can listen to your show,
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: they can listen to this show. They can listen to
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Doug show, they can listen to Matt show. They can
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: listen to Jeff's show. And you know you're gonna hear
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: new information. You're gonna hear new takes, new slants on research.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, this thing is, what's sixty sixty two
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: years old? Now nobody solved it yet. New ideas are
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: very rare. New information is very rare at this point
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: to come out. It's almost like you have to take
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: something and rip it apart, deconstructed, and then reconstruct it
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: through different set of eyes, you know, look at in
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: a different light, a new way to try to make
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: some sense out of things, put different puzzle pieces together.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: You know, that's about the best we can do at
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: this point. I mean, Jefferson Morley is grabbing its straws
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: over there desperately, and they've all come up short. And
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: he's got to bline a straight line to the source,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: you know, or he can get anything he wants. And again,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: how many nothing burgers are we going to eat before
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: you put something on my plate worth eating? I don't know,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: And I feel like there's people that just blindly suck
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: his teeth because he's Jefferson Morley, aren't helping the cause.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: You know, if he got some documents and put something
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: out that was worth anything, I'd be the first one
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: to say a good job. But you can't just keep
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: putting ship out there and giving it attributes that it
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: doesn't have, just to try to draw traffic to your site.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: All right, I'm sorry.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cia lied to the HSCA. Oh shocker. Tell me
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: something I didn't know.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Oh ship right, that type of thing.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Anyways, do you want to get into our new.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Segment?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yes? Or new segment.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I have?
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: I have for it? You do I do?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: It's of the week, not of the month.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I think, Well that's what I put.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, there are enough scufuss to do one every week,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Well that's why I put it there.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Well break it up. Let's see if we
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: can make.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: See if this works wrong. One. Well, you're on the
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Stuffuzla of the week. M Yeah, yes, Scuffuzla of the week. Joe,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: who is our skaffusa of the week this week?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: All right, well let me bring this up.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Hey John, How's what's up? John?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Hey? John? How's it going. So you know, I'm part
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: of a couple JFK Facebook groups, as I know you are.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: One is called JFK files right, and I post our
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: episode for those in the critical research community as I
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: know all, I actually edited to say most of you're here.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Check out this episode of TLG where we try and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: make sense the timing of Oswalt's firing from JCS and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Hidell being on David faery fa flight manifest on April
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: eighth from Louisiana to Garland, Texas, hamon Louisiana out and
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I post the link to this right and this scaffoosa
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: to the right. Wayne McCormick, you are first scaffusa of
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the month of the week or month. I click on
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: him because I've never heard of him before, because he's
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: obviously never contributed a damn thing, of course, other than
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: being a keyboard warrior on the JFK Facebook groups. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: his last post, or one of.
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: His last posts a couple of weeks ago, was putting
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: an eBay link to Judith Verry Baker's book about David Ferry,
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: Judith Fairy Baker's book about Me and Lee and Doctor
• 53:03
  Speaker 10: Mary's Monkey Book by Edward Haslam.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And I go, he goes boring. This is his first comment boring,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: like an hour before, like after I posted it, so
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: he obviously didn't watch it. Right, And keep in mind,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: this is called JFK Files. Our presentation on General Walker
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: was all document based, right, we provided a lot of them. Sorry,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to listen to these guys boring
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: guys for two and a half hours. So I go
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: from the guy who posted Judith Ferry Baker book links
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Dubai on here a couple of weeks ago. If you
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: like fiction, I agree this episode is not for you.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: And then he responded, She's more interesting than you guys are,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And I just want to go back to his little
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: picture here. This is the Skaffusa who is criticizing us,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and you are the Skaffusa of the first skafus of
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the week or a month.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: And uh sheh.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I mean if you, if you hold those type of views,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: your your opinion means nothing to me. It's like the
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: same as if you think James Files story has any
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: truth to it, right, you just like I'm not going
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to pay attention to you.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Well, so she might be more interesting than us, you know,
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: of course, if we were on here telling fictitious stories
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: every week, Joe, we'd probably be pretty damn interesting, right, yeah, yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: But we are a document based, research.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: Based We may not be that interesting, but we are entertaining,
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: and we are informative, and we are as truthful as
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: we can be when it comes to the documents. You know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: we don't get one here and sugarcoat things and lie
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: to you about bullshit. We tell you like it is. Right, Sorry,
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: it's not that interesting. It's just not for some people.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Some people were just fine living in their fantasy world
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: and right, you know, and that's okay, your mine, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: you go fuck yourself Wayne about that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations Wayne of being our Firstkafuza highlighted and you
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: definitely meet all the requirements of such. So. But moving
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: on from that, Rob and I thought we'd do too
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: many segments about Thanksgiving. Rob, Yeah, Rob is going to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: cover the nineteen sixty two Thanksgiving dinner. I believe the
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: last time all the Oswalt family was together in nineteen
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: sixty two, and then I am going to go over
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Marina and James Herbert Martin's Thanksgiving dinner in nineteen sixty three.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: So I figure we may as well go chronologically, and yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: throw it to you starting sixty two.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: All right. So in nineteen sixty two, actually on November
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: twenty second, nineteen sixty two, to be exact, it was
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Thanksgiving in Fort Worth, and apparently Robert Oswald, Lee's brother,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: was doing up Thanksgiving dinner. Apparently he invited Lee to
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: come Lee and Marina and the kids or the kid
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: at the time, and Lee wrote him a litt letter, Joe,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: let me see if I can pull up this letter. Okay,
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: I have to add it. This is always fun if
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: I can do this, right. Sorry, we are, like I said,
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: we are still learning all of this stuff. So let
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: me see if we can do this.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Heresssssssssssssssssssss h.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: And let me share this because we're actually gonna watch
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald at Robert's house on Thanksgiving live and
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: in motion. Really, Oh yeah, baby, oh maybe maybe we'll
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: see if it works. Here we go, there's no sound.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: So that's Robert and his kid. Now here's the whole
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: goddamn family. You got Lee behind Robert.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Pose it.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: Yep, you got Lee behind Robert. Roberts on the floor
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: in front of Lee on the right, and then John
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: Pike or Pick or whatever the hell his name is,
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: is sitting beside Lee on the couch. Now, I want
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: to point out something here in a second. Okay, let's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: let it. Let it play all right, right here. I'm
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: no body language expert, right, but it seems like Lee
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: is like trying to lean as far away from John
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: Pike as possible, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know, because I mean, if he was sitting
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: straight up and down, you see where his right leg is,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: it's I mean, he's pretty much sitting like right next
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: to John Pike. But he couldn't be leaning away from
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: this motherfucker anymore than he is.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Oh well, Pick's legs are kind of spread eagle there.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean still, I don't know. It just it
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: just came out his odd to me body lands.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: All right, here we go. I don't know if that's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: Marina or not.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Can we get rid of the top of the Oh
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: there we go?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Well you want a lie, don't you?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's Marina. He seems happy.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: See how far he way he's leaning from Pipe. Yeah,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: it's Robert Oswald and his old lady Vada, you know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: there're a million kids. H So there.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Is that happier times, happier times.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: Wow stuff when we're on pro scenes it maybe it
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: doesn't do any sound. I don't know. I gotta figure
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: that out. But here is a picture nowadays of Robert
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Oswald's house. This is where Lee and Marina went to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: for Thanksgiving. Just a homebottle abode at two bedroom, one
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: bath house if you wanted to buy it now, it's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: somewhere in the one hundred and seventy thousand dollars range on
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Davenport Street in Fort Worth, Texas. H So one interesting
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: thing about this Thanksgiving dinner is that you have all
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: three Oswald brothers together for the first time since nineteen
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: fifty three, So in almost ten years, this is the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: first time that all the Oswald brothers are together in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: the same room, all right, and conspicuous by her absence,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: probably by lack of invitation, it's Marguerite Oswald who is
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: also living in Fort Worth at the time, but she
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: was not invited to Thanksgiving.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which is interesting.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Of course, if you believe in the whole Harvey and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: Lee thing, John Armstrong attributes this to you know, of
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: course this is Harvey coming back from Russia now right,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: and John Pike's famous Warren Commission testimony where he says that.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Where is it? Then?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: I can't remember the words exactly, but he says something
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: to the effect of the same guy that he met
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: in Fort Worth in sixty two was not his brother.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: But I mean, you can kind of attribute that to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: you know, if John Pike left him in nineteen fifty three,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald would have been like an early teenager
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: at that point, he'd have been probably fourteen years old. Yeah,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: and now you're seeing him for the first time since
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: he was fourteen, as a man with a wife and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: a kid. So of course it's not gonna be the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: same person that you remember, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: And you you know, I don't know. It's just weird. Yeah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: the whole this whole family dynamic is weird. But there
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: are pictures, other pictures of uh, there's a picture in
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: Robert Oswald's book where he's he's holding Robert's daughter Kathy,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: and a couple other pictures from that day. But you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: at this time Oswald's doing good. You know, he's got
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: a decent job at Jagger's child Stove, all right, and uh,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: so far everything was okay.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Back to the John Pike thing, he says, the Lee
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: exactly here it is, Well, sir, the Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: I met in November sixty two was not the Lee
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald I had known ten years previous. And that's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: an exact quote from John Pike to the Warren Commission.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: And the next part of his testimony to the Warren Commission,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: he was showing a bunch of photographs of his brother,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: but admitted that he couldnot identify multiple pictures as the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald that he used to know one photo
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: that a lot of people have seen here of a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: little Oswald at the Bronx Zoo, you know, with his
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: sleeves rolled up and looking like a little bad ass
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: motherfucker yeap, who purportedly was living with Pike and his
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: wife in New York from fifty two to fifty three,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: And the photo was taken at the precise time which
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: as was living with Pike. But he couldn't identify Hi,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: it's you know, so that's kind of weird.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could also be I could also understand him
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: saying it as he wasn't the guy I knew, not
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: a different person, you know what I mean type of thing, right,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Like maybe it's demeanor literal personality has changed, right, right,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: It could be misconstrued that sentence.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: I think. I don't know, opto it might have been
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: on a tripod or Robert was getting up and getting
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: up and down a lot. He was probably messing with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: him while he was on a tripod or something.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't Marguerite, that's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: for sure. Another interesting thing about the thanks Giving in
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty two is Marina invited a guest. Do you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: know who that was? Joe?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Was that either one of the older Gregory or what
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: does it be h lle buel Bullie. I'm butchering those
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: are my two guesses.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you were close, Paul Gregory. At the close
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: of the Thanksgiving Day celebration at Roberts House, Lee Oswald, Marina,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: and June were picked up by Paul Gregory from Roberts House.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: But while there, you know, he just didn't pick him up.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: He came inside for a minute and met Oswald's brothers.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: He met John Pike, he met Robert, and you know,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: the whole family and the kids. He hung out there
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: for a little bit before before they left, So that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: was interesting. And of course at this time, Gregory was
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: studying Russian and would frequently meet with Marina at this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: time at least twice a week and talk Russian. Now,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: another interesting thing at this Thanksgiving dinner, Joe, is that nobody,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: no one at all spoke about Lee Harvey Oswald's life
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: prior to nineteen sixty two. Not growing up, no New
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: Orleans talk, no defection talk, just his life right now,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: Like nobody brought it up. Oswald didn't bring it up,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: his brothers, didn't ask him about it, nothing. He just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: shows up there with a Russian wife and a kid,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: which is a little odd. Yeah, but this would be
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: the last time that the Oswald brothers would all be together. Wow,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: and of course interesting that Mama Marguerite was not invited.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: That's pretty funny.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't even know if I
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: categorize it as funny. I'd almost categorize it as sad, right,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: not being able to spend the last opportunity that you'd
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: have with you know, your your kids, right.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was trying to think of when Thanksgiving Day
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: would have been in nineteen sixty three, but obviously it
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: wasn't until after the assassination because we know where Marina
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: went for Thanksgiving in nineteen sixty three.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: And then right, Joe, yes, yes, I have all that.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the twenty eighth according to the documents.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: I'll bring up in a second. James had a good comment.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: He said, the Martin kid probably shot the film. I
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: put that up for a couple of seconds.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what is going on when we
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: show a pro scene and there's no audio coming through.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: I don't understand it. But hopefully we'll get that figure
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: it out. Yeah, Like we can play audio like during
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: the opening, like pre recorded audio. We can play that
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: because you hear that, hopefully, but it doesn't pick up
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: pick us up talking for some reason. Well we have
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: like like when we do that, you probably couldn't hear
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: us talking right then.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we can hear when I share my screen,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: which is weird, but not through the app yet. But again,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: we're two weeks less than two weeks I think into
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: this new EVA moos, so.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: I'm sharing the screen works a little differently than the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: pro scenes, but right I don't know.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is Thanksgiving nineteen sixty two.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: That is.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Would you like to move on to sixty three?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: That's how this we progress here.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, just making sure, yeah, so you know, to keep
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: it in context. Obviously, the Friday, November twenty second, JFK
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: was shot and killed the twenty fourth, which is a Sunday,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Ruby shot Oswalt and Thanksgiving was this that in the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: middle of the next week. And I'm going to read
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: from the Warren commissioned testimony here of mister James Hubert Martin.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Would you describe briefly just for these rooms were in
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: the in your inn and where the Secret Service were
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: compared compared with Marina's rooms. Blah blah blah. We don't
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: even know that after Marina first came there. Did the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Secret Service have someone on duty while she was at
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: the six Flags in Yes? All the time? Yes. Do
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: you recall who that was? Let's see, well I remember
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: his first name now, Mike Howard and Charles Cuncle Lee
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Gapaz was there part of the time. I believe that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: was the Russian speaker of the Secret Service. They seemed
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: to change quite frequently. Did they have someone there twenty
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: four hours a day, Yes, sir, that's at the sixth floor.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Martin says, Rankin. During this early period, did you ever
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: talk to Marina? Nope, except to say hello. Do you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: know whether she talked English much of that time? From
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: all appearances she didn't. And I believe Gregory was there
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: translating rob on the evening of the twenty fourth at
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the six Flags. In did anyone visit you while she
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: was there at the six Flags during this early period,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: not to my knowledge, other than the FBI, Martin says. Rancin.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Did you invite Marina and her family to come to
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: your home for Thanksgiving?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Will you tell us how that happened? Well, it just happened.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I think I asked Robert if he would like to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: come out for dinner Thanksgiving dinner. They weren't going to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: have a very happy Thanksgiving and living in those rooms
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: was pretty cramped. Rancin, When was the last when was
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: this that you asked Robert? I believe it was on Wednesday?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: And yes, Thanksgiving is on a Thursday. I know that, Peaches.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Did you include Robert and his wife as well as
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Marina and her family in the invitation? Well, Robert's wife
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't there, but I included Robert. He came out to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the house also, which I didn't realize. Apparently Robert Oswald
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: went to the Martin's house for at least some point,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: which kind of doesn't really make sense when you think
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: about he has his own kids and family. Rankin. Did
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Marina then come to your house for Thanksgiving? Martin? Yes?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Who all came at that time? Let's see there were
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Marina and June Lee and Robert, Charlie Cunkele secret Service,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: and one Arlington police officer I don't recall his name.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: What time of the day did they come? I believe
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: it was three or four o'clock in the afternoon. Did
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: you invite Marguerite Oswald to Thanksgiving dinner? Martin? No? No,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: did you say anything to her about it? No, as
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I recall, I just asked. I believe I asked Robert
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: if they would like to come. They were welcome if
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: they would like to come. You mean by that that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: you included Marguerite Oswalt in your invitation. I don't think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I named her. I don't know if she had left
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: by then, Yes, she had left the Six Flags Motel.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: I believe on that Wednesday. My memory serves me correctly,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: you didn't deliberately exclude her from the invitation. No. Then,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: did you at some time discuss with Marina the possibility
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: of her staying at your home rather than at the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Six Flags In No, I discussed it with a Secret
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Service first. When was that Thursday or Friday? Doesn't really
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: make sense? Right before this Thanksgiving dinner afterwards, I don't recall.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: I know the Secret Service made a statement that they
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: were quite concerned as to where Marina would go after
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: she left the inn. They had no place to put her,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: and they had no idea where she was going to go.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Do you recall when they made that statement. No, it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: was Wednesday or Thursday at that time. Did you say
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: anything about that, Martin? I told them that if they
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: couldn't find any place for her that I would be
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: glad to take them into my home. Rancin. There was
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: anything said about what compensation you would receive for that, Martin? No,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: there was no compensation considered. Yes, he did it out
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: of the goodness of his heart. Rop Rancan. You didn't
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: suggest any and they didn't, Is that right? That is correct?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Did you discuss that idea with Marina at all. No,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: they the Secret Service told Robert about it and then
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: he gets cut off rank And how do you know that?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Because he told me they had and then Robert thanked
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: me and said it would work out all right. So
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: let's go to a Secret Service document now, and the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: synopsis is in at the Six Flags chosen his base
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: of operations for the Oswalt family, Marina Oswalt's first meeting
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: with Jim Martin, Marina Oswalt and children go up, go
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: to take up, to take up residents with Jim Martin family.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Reference is made to m slash R. I don't know
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: what that means of Special Agent Charles Counkle, Dallas, dated
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: twelve third sixty three, which contains completely sorry.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't say anything, oh.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Memorandum and maybe which contains complete overall report on activities
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: with the Oswalt family and this service at the end
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: of the Six Flags between November twenty fourth and November thirtieth,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: the Inn of the Six Flags at Arlington, Texas was
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: chosen as the place to keep the Oswalt family due
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: to conversation of the reporting agent and Sheriff Lawn Evans
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: of Fort Worth, Texas. Rob remember we were looking for that.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I found it the exact reference Sheriff. Sheriff Evans talked
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: to a reporting agent on the early morning of November
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: twenty four to sixty three and stated he was a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: personal friend of Jim Martin, assistant manager of the inn
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: at the Six Flags, and that if the Secret Service
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: would like, he could make arrangements for us to come
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: there with the Oswalt family until such time as security
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: was lifted on the family. At first, it was only
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: it was felt by reporting agent that the end of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: the Six Flags would not be a good location due
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: to the fact that it was too public. However, upon
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: investigation at the inn, it was discovered that one section
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: of the inn had been closed for the winter season
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: and would be very secluded. It would be a very
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: secluded location to keep the Oswalt family. An event more
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: than one day was involved in this protection by the Service.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: As reported by Special Asian Councle, a reporting agent was
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: instructed by Inspector Thomas Kelly at Parkland on November twenty
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: fourth to take the Oswaltz into our protective custody and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: keep them until such time as we were instructed to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: drop the security. While staying at the end of the
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: six Flags. Assistant Manager Jim Martin came to our room
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: in an effort to find out if there was anything
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: that we needed other than what we already had. This
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: was on Monday, the twenty fifth. Reporting agent introduced Martin
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: to Marina Oswalt through interpreter Peter Gregory, Russian interpreter from
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Fort Worth who was also with us. In the late
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: evening hours of Wednesday, November twenty seventh, sixty three, Assistant
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Manager Jim Martin and Assistant Chief of Police Terry of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: the Arlington PD came to the Reporting Agent and Special
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Agent Uncle and stated that he Martin had spoken to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: his wife and two children in regard to the Marina
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Oswalt family, and that they the Martins wished to take
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Marina and her two children, June, Lee and Rachel into
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: their home to live until such time as Marina might
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: make other arrangements. Conversation is going on Wednesday, the twenty seventh.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Rob Thanksgiving happens the twenty eighth. If we go back
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: to a couple slides, we see Jim Martin James or
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Martin saying no, I hadn't considered it till then. Right,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: so there's some fuck are he going on here too? Right?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: At this time, Special Agent Leon Caposed of the Service
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: explained to Marina what the Martins wished to do, and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Marina seemed quite pleased with the prospects of going to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: the Martin home, but she had not been there yet
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: because this was the Wednesday. However, Marina wanted to meet
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Martin's wife and children in order that she might see
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: their reaction to her. Marina and her children, June and Rachel. Therefore,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: on Thursday, November twenty eighth, Thanksgiving Day, arrangements were made
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: for Martin, Special Agent Art Blake and Special Agent Cuncle
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: to take Marine and their children to the Martin Home
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: for Thanksgiving dinner. Upon their return from the Martin Home
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: late in the evening November twenty eight, sixty three, Marina
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: was quite pleased with what she had seen at the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Martin home and stated through Special Agent Capods an interpreter,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: that she would like to go there to live, if
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: it would be all right with the Secret Service. This
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: request was relayed to Inspector Kelly by the Reporting Agent
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: on Saturday, November thirtieth sixty three, which would be two
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: days after Thanksgiving Special Agent Bailey and Carter departed the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: End of the Six Flags and went to the home
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: of Robert Oswald in Denton, Texas. Special Agent Gary Seal
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: departed in the Six Flags and went with Marguerite Oswald
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: to her home in Fort Worth, and Special Agent Cuncle
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Blake and Capas went with Marina Oswalt and her two
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: children to the Martin home in Dallas, Texas. And I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: believe they had three young children at the time, So
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: that's an interesting dynamic to invite to infants literally into
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: your home with three little kids. This is a United
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: States doj FBI document. Marina Oswalt was interviewed. This is
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: after the breakup, after the warrant commission, after they had
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: sexual relations the Willard Hotel in DC. Marina Oswalt was
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: interviewed concerning her relationship with her former manager, James Martin.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: She stated that while residing at the End of the
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Six Flags near Dallas under the surveillance and Secret Service
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: immediately following the Assassin Nations, she was informed by a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Secret Service agent that Martin invited her and her children
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: to reside at this house at his home. I'm going
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: to read that again, Marina stated, that while residing at
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: the end of the Six Flags near Dallas immediately following
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: the assassination, she was informed by a Secret Service agent
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: that Martin invited her and her children to reside at
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: his home immediately. I consider rob to be probably that Monday, yeah, right,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: So I think this was planned all along, right, That's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: what it looks like to me.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: Well, I think Martin was trying to orchestrate getting her
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: to his house all alone.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all alone, right, But of course he lies about
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the date in the war to the Warrant Commission, right.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: She accepted an invitation to visit the Martin residence on
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day, and while at the Martin residence on that occasion,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: she accepted an invitation for mister and Missus Martin to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: reside with them. So maybe she got the invitation earlier
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: but didn't decide until she went there, or something possible.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: She moved to the Martin residence about November twenty ninth
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: or thirtieth sixty three and left her residence on Sunday.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Left their residence on Sunday, February ninety sixty four. Miss
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Oswald said during her residence at the Martin home, she
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: was under the surveillance of the Secret Service.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: You know that, Yes, Martin was married to Wanda.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, She advised that. Shortly after taking up residence at
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: the Martin home, her intuition, her womanly intuition, told her
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: that Martin had feelings of love toward her. On New
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Year's Eve, after refusing to be kissed by Martin when
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: permission to give her a New Year's kiss in the
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: presence of his wife, Wanda, Martin subsequently caught her in
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: the hallway and told her he loved her and then
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: kissed her. She stated she believed him to be sincere.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Following this event, According to missus Oswald, Martin almost daily
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: professed his love for her and frequently Sara tiptously.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: I think she also told him at one.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: Point a massive erection.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure, hug.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Mister Martin, you have.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Great interaction there. In addition, he propositioned her to have
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: sexual relations, which she refused. She said she told Martin
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: that she was willing to be his and that they
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: make lands when she would have a place of her
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: own at which he would visit her clandestinely. So she's saying,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: you could be my Gumar Martin.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: A side piece bitch, Can you be happy about it?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Martn also gave her several gifts, probably from her own money.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: About January four, sixty four, Martin took her alone to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: the to Tunisia restaurant in Dallas. Secret Service agents occupied
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: a table nearby. On this occasion, Martin professed has loved
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: to her, and she replied to the fact that everything
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: would be I don't know if I have something else here,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: everything would be.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Okay or something, So that would be fine.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: That that would be fine with me. So it seems
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: to me that, you know, the direct line into the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: from Martin's home that was installed on I believe it
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: was December two, was probably a condition of her moving
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: in with him, right if you hear anything, colos immediately
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: type of thing. But also that it was predetermined that
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: they were going to try to get her Secret Service
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: to move into the Martin home way before Thanksgiving, a
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: couple of days before. That's that's how it reads to me.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: Definitely some sussy stuff stuff going.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: On there, definitely, So.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: That's really all I have on that. I mean, we've gone.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: We can go on for another two hours on James
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Martin and Marina, but we want to keep it kind
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: of Thanksgiving related.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: So we could have done a show about Jack Ruby,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: you know, if we're talking about eating eating out but
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: for Thanksgiving.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, well we know where he was Thanksgiving on
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: sixty three at least.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was getting his salad tossed into Dallas County jail.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah did he ended.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Up, Yeah, yeah, he was definitely. Uh, I'm sure he
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: got served like a nice Thanksgiving dinner though. There.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure they took good care of him there.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. So speaking of Thanksgiving dinners, Rob, I
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to show you a little.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: These Italian Thanksgiving dinners always intrigued me.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so us I towels all right, this is on
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: the left here we have a kind of the the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: appetizers or dirs, I don't know what you want to
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: call them.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: What's that green ship seaweed?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: This? No, it's hot Italian peppers. And the thing about
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: these peppers, Rob, is they are like a lottery pick.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Some could be not hot. Some will have your mouth
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: burning for hours, you don't know. So what you do
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: is you take a piece of bread, you take a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: piece of mozzarella, muzza? Do you take a piece of
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: tomato and you take a piece of pepper and you
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: make a little sandwich and it's a brigute, right yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: and uh kind of just fuck with it. As you
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: can see on the right side, right, you can see
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: my plate here and then in the middle.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, did you win the lottery?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Yes? I got a really hot one. And my brother's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: girlfriend who came for the first time, got a really
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: hot one and was like really surprised and was like,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, just eat some cheese or some bread
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: that will help. Yeah, you got some some stuffed mushrooms
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: in the middle here bottomn you got some shrimp. I'm
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: not a I'm not a shrimp guy. A bunch of bread, crackers, cheese, olives,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: all that good ship. Right. Then we got the pasta course.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: So after you stuff your face with the appetizers for
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: lack of a better word, there's a pasta course, and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: it's meatballs and sausage. This year it was hot sausage,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: not sweet, which I love.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: So dude, that looks good there.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see I love my crush red pepper
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh so the key is not stuff yourself
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: before the turkey comes.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: Well, it seems like it'd be hard to do.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: It is hard to do, and that and on the right,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: my brother's girlfriend said, you have to try mashed potatoes
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: with sweet potatoes in the same bite. And I'm like, huh,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of this. What, Yeah, like a mix
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: you see on the fork on the right.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: That sounds like a little skuffoozerie.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: It might be, but it's pretty good because I'm not
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: a big sweet I'm not a big sweet pepper or
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: sweet potato guy, you know, like not at all. I'm
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: more of like a mashed potato guy. But if you
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: get the dimensions right in a sense, it's actually pretty good.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: John Yellow, Let's see what else I got here. Then
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: you got the bird, which my dad air fried. He
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: has some air fryer, so not like in in the grease,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: like a deep.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: Friar, but like air fried, okay.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: And then he cuts it all up white meat, dark meat,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Then we got the pecan pie. And
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: oh my god, oh man, do I just mess us
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: up here?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: Probably?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I messed up Paula's picture of her pie,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: who was the only one to send me pie. Let
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: me do it here? Oh no, yeah, So this is
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: a a pecan pie, and on the right is Paul's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: pie that got cut off. But let me bring it
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: up again in a different window.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: I know, you tease, Uh, you tease. Let me see.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paula's pie looks pretty fire, I must say.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Let me share this now. Paul seems like a really
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: good baker.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: Huh, we're in the rabbit hole.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: We're in the rabbit hole. Let me stop sharing.
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  Speaker 5: When the hell was that?
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to share it through my email? Throt
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  Speaker 2: through my email. Give me a second, let me save
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  Speaker 2: the picture.
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  Speaker 5: The hell's Sally eating over there for Thanksgiving?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Oh? She sent me a message about it.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: She pated stomachs, mashed potatoes, and horse radish. I mean,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: what kind of what kind of shit is that? Ricotta pie?
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: That sounds disgusting?
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  Speaker 2: All right, this is Paula's pie. This looks really good.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 5: Too much.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I was stuffed. I had no dessert. I
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: was like, I was done. I was done though after
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: the pasta and the turkey.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, I was done. And then I deserted, and I
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: was really fucking done.
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  Speaker 2: Can you see this?
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: Oh that's a pretty pie, paul I look at that?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, Wow, you even got crust design pumpkin, a little
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 11: pumpkin crust thing in the middle. Wow, it looks delicious.
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 5: Is that is this pumpkin pie? Or is this a
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: sweet potato pie? They look similar.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question i'd have to ask. I don't
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: know if Paul was in the comments.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think Joe made that horrible joke last week.
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  Speaker 5: Which one they don't do Thanksgiving in Ireland?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she goes, all right, don't get mad at me, Sally.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: She goes, sounds yummy, But how can you eat pasta
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: and meatballs and then a turkey dinner? I don't know.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Is your stomach elasticated? I hate turkey. That's what we
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: traditionally have over here for Christmas. I've ordered a beef
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  Speaker 2: joint instead. For Christmas, I'm allowing myself a meet day
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: loads of pigs in blankets. Ours are Chipotlada sausages wrapped
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: in steaky.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: Streaky come into the night, goes to John Limback. Was
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: that a six and a half inch pie ten or
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: a seven point three five inch type? Size matters? Yes? Yes,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: all right, minds want to know. Yes, we're talking about
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: rifle size here. Not get your minds out of the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: gutter people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and yes it is pumpkin pie.
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  Speaker 5: Raw poul Well, if ricotta pie is cheesecake, then I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: am a fan NF cheesecake h New York.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Style, and then after that there's Yorkshire puddings.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: I don't trust anything called putting from overing air across
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: the pond, so that means anything in that ship?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it was just her and uh and uh,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Bobby Thundernuts is his name. Yes, this year for Christmas,
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  Speaker 2: so we're going to have a lazy one. Hey, there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that, Sally. I Family events are sometimes
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: a lot, you know, but it was it was a
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: good time. And uh, what what was your favorite dish
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: of ship?
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  Speaker 5: Sally's never had pumpkin pie. Oh you're missing out, dear.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Do they not have pumpkins across the pond?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It might be worth an order from
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: gold Belly, though, Sally, I'm sure they would ship to you.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just batter, that's what she said, baby batter.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was good. And yeah, that's kind of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: the Italian way of doing things. There's always apasta course,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: even on Easter, doesn't matter. It's just at least Northeast Italians.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: Get a pretty much traditional spread. I went out to
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: my aunt and uncle's house for Thanksgiving and they had turkey,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: ham mashed potatoes and gravy, green beans, macaroni and cheese,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: deviled eggs. Oh, I like that, cranberry jello salad, and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: then for dessert there was punkin pie, sweet potato pie.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: Of course, cookies. There's peanut butter fudge, rumballs, pound cake,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: lemon lemon flavored pound cake. Uh, there was. It was
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: quite the spread.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: Of course, snacks and all beforehand, chips, chippies and stuff
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: and crisps as you call them, across the pond m
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: and you know, football on the television. And yeah, beers
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: flowing and wine flowing, and a good time was had
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: by all. I did get hit the nuts, though, Joe, what, Yeah,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: intentionally unwoodingly. No. No, My cousin's grandson, he's like two
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: years old, and he is a holy terror. I mean
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: he's he's ready, but that dude's running around. I mean,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: you know, but he was running around after I got
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: there and and going up and hitting everybody. And I
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: turned around and he hit me square in the nuts,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: like hard. I was like, oh wow, he's a little bastard. Somebody,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: somebody can come get this damn kid. Yeah. Deviled eggs,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, almost eight four or five of those.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Joe, Oh yeah, Zandar just said love Devil Eggs. I
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: do too, and get the get the horn ready, Mike Library, Man,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: what up?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: What up for Stepto? Uh uh yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro and Sally just sent me a message. I
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: don't know if you could see this. Appreciate Thank you
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: so much, Mike. I'm not gonna download this and take time.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: But these are the uh the Yorkshire pudd thing and
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: they they really do look fire. They they kind of
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: look like like like a canole of some sort with
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: like some cream in the middle, but like what's some
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: bread around it? I don't know, I don't know. Wow,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: And look at these pigs in a blanket. Last one.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: Let's see if I could pigs in a blanket.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: I guess it's like sausage in a blanket or something.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: Is that bacon wrap sausage?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: I think it is. Yeah, that looks fire.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: That would be that would be fire. So uh.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's all I had. We we thought we'd
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: uh uh give you guys a break from some of
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: your families over after yesterday and come and hang out
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: and talk JFK, which of course we do every week, and.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: With the usual suspects next week, Yes, sir, back to
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: the research with Larry Handcock and hopefully David Boiling. Yeah,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: or it'll be the Joe Show next week.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: No they yeah, I hope not that they had a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: really good presentation and I had to move all the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: way to the front to like take little notes on it.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: But it seems to be really interesting and they are
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: definitely the not included in not having original research because
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: they always do.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: And what did they talk about there?
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin it, but they talked about.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: Well, just an idea. You don't have to ruin it,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: just be really vague, like the topic or the title.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Uh. They talked a lot about Harvey's test Force w
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: h some of his I guess they have found more
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: documents of Harvey's travel reimbursements and uh talked about the
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Black Propaganda Project which was run by some guy named
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Tilton with help from INCA, the Information what was it,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Northern Council of America or something. They talked about some
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: hosty information some tidbit and his boss Waltz Pataki and
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: who was close to Harvey, And yeah, you know, it
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: was a little hard to kind of see the the screen,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: which is why I had to move up and I
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: was kind of like squinting to like write down notes.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to get a little recap from them
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: in the next couple of days so we could do
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: our due diligence and have some good questions for them.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I think they are also working on naming some of
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: the people as a follow up to the Asphalt puzzle,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: as in their best guesses of who could have possibly
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: worked to frame Lee. So I'm not sure how much
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: of that they're going to get into. I'm not sure
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: it's complete yet, but it's always a good time with
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Larry Hancock and David Boyling is of course, you know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: your your go to guy on everything Cuban exiles, So I.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: Can't wait to talk to both of them, David especially
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: just because we haven't talked to him yet.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was sick last.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm over here dying. I don't know why I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: got the coffees, but I do have a surprise for everybody.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: Joe, Oh, I like them before we.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: Get out of here, of course, you'd like to thank
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: you guys for hanging out with us to night. You know,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: just a kind of a laid back show just because
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: of all the hoopla recently and ordeals and all of that.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: We'll be back to it next Friday night. Like I
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: said with Larry Hancock and David Boiling, we'll have a
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: book review for you and of course the members only
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: next Wednesday for sure. And again, thanks guys for sending
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: the super chats. That's awesome. We appreciate it, Thank you
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: so much and are very thankful for each and every
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: one of you.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: So except for the Skaffoosa of the week.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: Er month, yeah, Wayne McClory.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: And by the way, if you are on a Facebook
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: group and you see someone who is worthy of being
• 1:50:28
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• 1:50:32
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• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: at gmail dot com and we will highlight them yes
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: and shout out their skaffoosery and foolishness. As you know,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: dude didn't have to comment boring.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: He could have just you know, there's something called He
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: didn't even bother to click them.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Right, there's something called free will, where like, if you
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: don't want to watch something, you don't have to. You
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: don't have to just comment boring just to be a dick.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: And that's why we called you out, sir, So fuck you.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: And go fuck yourself. Yeah, yeah, all right, Joe, where's Dino?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: He dare not talk for the record, but he said,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: come to Bourbon Street and I'll show you what I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: think of the case. The greatest lies are told in
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: the name of truth. The greatest crimes are committed in
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: the name of justice. The quotation is Jim Garrison's. It
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: could be used for him or against him in this
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: strange case.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: Good night.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: I finally got the Dino clip up here in video form.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: It's back. Dino's back after a year hiatus.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Glad to have Dino back for sure, and thank you
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: for everyone who has joined us. We appreciate it. Ruby
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: stopped crying. She has treats at my feet and she
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: knows that she's gonna get held up to dance, and
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: she swam.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: All right, Thanks guys, we'll see you soon.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, have a great weekend and we'll see you next week.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: Peace. What ended on Ruby crying