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149. Mary Astor - Hollywood and Scandal · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?
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Speaker 1: The history podcast It's not your history class with me,
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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, History.
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Speaker 1: welcome to the fuck word history show. Allegedlyes it just
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Speaker 1: start as you mean to go on. It's good to
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Speaker 1: just shock the system. It's not your history class. I
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Speaker 1: will swear I have colorful language and if you don't
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Speaker 1: I was on the Wind and Crime podcast. And if
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Speaker 1: they ever asked me to guest again, yes, yes, a
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Speaker 1: thousand times.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I had such a good time. I had such fun.
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Speaker 1: The girls are so fun. And not to blow my
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Speaker 1: I am a hope And yeah, so it was such
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Speaker 1: a good time and that was like my good fun
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Speaker 1: internet time. This week I had less fun internet time,
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Speaker 1: less than stellar, some might say, for two reasons. One,
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Speaker 1: I have to keep explaining that my friend Paul is
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Speaker 1: not my boyfriend. I actually disappointed my cousin's group chat.
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Speaker 1: I've got a group chat with all my female cousins,
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Speaker 1: by the way, and one of them is like, Kerry,
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Speaker 1: who's this guy in your videos? And I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's my pal Paul.
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Speaker 2: And they were like I could just.
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Speaker 1: Feel the energy drain from the text chat because they
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Speaker 1: were like, oh, man, I thought you had a new man.
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Speaker 2: I thought something was happening, and like.
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Speaker 1: I just really brought them down. I really deflated the
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Speaker 1: group chat. Everyone was so disappointed. They thought something was happening.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm probably closer to becoming and none than I am
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Speaker 1: to getting married.
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Speaker 2: And that's where we're at today. So that was fun.
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Speaker 1: If you have seen the videos where I'm just like
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Speaker 1: lip syncing with my friend Paul, yeah, he's single ladies
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Speaker 1: sis gender ladies who like nerdy men with beards I
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Speaker 1: guess go to town have fun. Yeah, so yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: with his consent, Jesus, with his consent, Like, don't just
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Speaker 1: try and kidnap my friend Paul.
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Speaker 2: Please, don't kidnap my friend Paul. Don't do that.
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Speaker 1: Like he's a gentle soul underneath all that trauma. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So like that's that's that. We are not a thing.
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Speaker 1: We have never been a thing, though we do escape
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Speaker 1: rooms together, we get dressed up and we go places
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Speaker 1: and like that's that's it.
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Speaker 2: So that's what that is.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, And and my other my other lesson stellar
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Speaker 1: Internet experience this week is all to do with I
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Speaker 1: had about people not understanding the parallels in history because
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Speaker 1: history doesn't repeat it rimes, right, It's never going to
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Speaker 1: be tracing paper over the blueprints, you know, there's always
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Speaker 1: going to be alterations. And so I've been providing basic
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Speaker 1: factual information and talking about as some of you know,
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Speaker 1: my actual like specialty is propaganda and misinformation. Like technically
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Speaker 1: my area of expertise is the rise of sensationalism and
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Speaker 1: the use of print is propaganda in the late modern period.
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Speaker 1: And I was recently reminded that when I was in
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Speaker 1: high school, when I was in secondary school history, my
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Speaker 1: like leaving cert essay was about the use of film
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Speaker 1: as propaganda in the First World War.
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Speaker 2: And yet here we are, here's where I have I
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Speaker 2: have stationed myself bonjour. Other fuckers.
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Speaker 1: So it's been, it's been a whole thing, and it's
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Speaker 1: led to me just getting like more disheveled and angry
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Speaker 1: with people who are not taking in very clear information.
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Speaker 1: Could be cognitivest so like I really shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, anyway, I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, Katie, chill the hell out and also quite
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Speaker 1: your Jebel Jaba in fact me, in fact you, I will.
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Speaker 1: But first we've got to get our source on.
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Speaker 2: Our sources are.
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Speaker 1: My story and autobiography by Mary Astor, The Purple Diaries
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Speaker 1: Mary Astor and the most sensational Hollywood Scandal of the
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirties by Joseph Egan. Investigation of un American propaganda
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Speaker 1: activities in the United State Dates, the Executive Hearings of
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Speaker 1: August twenty seventh, nineteen forty The Great Lie The Creation
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Speaker 1: of Mary Astor by Kathleen Spoutrow, Mary Astor's Purple Diary,
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Speaker 1: The Great American Sex Scandal of nineteen thirty six, Mary Astor, Prisoner.
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Speaker 2: Of Kicks by Dan Callahan.
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Speaker 1: I also have articles from Hollywood, Babylon, The LA Times,
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Speaker 1: and The New York Times. And let's not forget our
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Speaker 1: old favorite biography dot com. I was it in comfortably good,
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Speaker 1: then let's begin. So I decided that this month, the
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Speaker 1: month of July, for absolutely no reason, I was going
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Speaker 1: to talk about American history, North American history to be precise,
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Speaker 1: well US history to be more precise, and the people
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Speaker 1: therein And this episode before I start was actually one
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Speaker 1: of this stories I told on my US and Canada tour,
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Speaker 1: and this was from LA at the Lyric Hyperion because
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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Hollywood Darling, and I did.
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Speaker 2: Because I could.
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Speaker 1: And I have so many more exciting things happening this month,
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Speaker 1: and I've been doing so much research for a bonus
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Speaker 1: episode for you that I think deserves to be told
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Speaker 1: in today's day and age. And so I hope you'll
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Speaker 1: forgive me anyone who was at the LA show, and
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Speaker 1: they're going to hear this story again with a few
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Speaker 1: tweaks and changes, a few improvements, if you will, thanks
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Speaker 1: to some input from friends. Now our story starts, as
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Speaker 1: many stories in the United States do, with immigrants. Mary
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Speaker 1: Astor was born on the third of May nineteen oh
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Speaker 1: six as Lucille Usconella's La Ganke in Quincy, Illinois. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why I made her surname sound more like Hispanic,
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Speaker 1: when in fact it was German. She was born to
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Speaker 1: her parents Helen Marie the Vasconcels, an American with Irish
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Speaker 1: and Portuguese heritage, and Otto Ludwig Wilhelm Langannka, a German
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Speaker 1: who emigrated to the USA from Berlin in eighteen ninety one.
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Speaker 1: Her parents were both teachers. Helen taught drama and elocution
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Speaker 1: so the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane,
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Speaker 1: and Otto he taught German up until the US entered
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Speaker 1: the First World War, and then he took up light farming.
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Speaker 2: I shit you not.
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Speaker 1: Light farming is the official official piece of information there.
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Speaker 1: Mary was homeschooled and also played the piano. And when
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Speaker 1: I say also played the piano, I mean her parents
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Speaker 1: forced her to continuously play the piano until she was
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Speaker 1: I say perfect. But like they really they really got
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Speaker 1: into it, like they demanded that she was going to
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Speaker 1: be like good at it, and like her dad, he
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Speaker 1: made her practice like every day, several times a day.
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Speaker 1: Now this may shock you with her father being German,
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Speaker 1: but they were not the most affectionate.
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Speaker 2: Of parents, and her upbringing.
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Speaker 1: Was fairly rigid or strict. And when she's twelve years old,
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Speaker 1: she submits her picture into a contest in Motion Picture magazine,
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Speaker 1: which I'm fairly certain is the same one that Tolola
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Speaker 1: Bankhead set her photo into. So she's in this contest
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Speaker 1: and she gets to the semi finals, and the next
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Speaker 1: year she sends a picture in again, this time becoming
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Speaker 1: a finalist and runner up in the national contest. And
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Speaker 1: so at this point the family had moved to Chicago,
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Speaker 1: as Auto had a job as something there.
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Speaker 2: But he sees dollar signs. I love that, Like he
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Speaker 2: got a job there. What was doing?
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Speaker 1: I think teaching. I'm not entirely sure, because he was,
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Speaker 1: and then he wasn't, and then he was. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not that interested in Auto, to be honest, because my
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Speaker 1: focus is on Mary. So Otto he sees dollar signs
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Speaker 1: when he looks at his daughter, and so he moves
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Speaker 1: them all the way to New York City for her
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Speaker 1: to act in motion pictures and Auto he's basically the.
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Speaker 2: Driving force for her career, but he.
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Speaker 1: Also hinders it. So now all of the ladies they
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Speaker 1: need to get decent photos. You're going to have your
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Speaker 1: head shots if you're going to be doing any kind
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Speaker 1: of like acting, performing.
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Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: And so the Charles Alban, a Manhattan photographer, he takes
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Speaker 1: her picture and this photo is seen by Harry Dunst,
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Speaker 1: and this leads to her getting a six month contract
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Speaker 1: with Paramount Pictures. And they decide that her name is
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Speaker 1: too foreign sounding, it's too exotic, and so they change
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Speaker 1: her name from Lucille Langanka to Mary Astor, a decision
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Speaker 1: made by Walter Wanger, a producer, gossip colonist Loela Parsons,
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Speaker 1: and Paramount Pictures chief himself, Jesse Laski. So she gets
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Speaker 1: a screen test with Lily Engish, who is so impressed
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Speaker 1: with her charisma, her charm, her stage presence, her ability
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Speaker 1: to recite Shakespeare that she shoots over one thousand feet
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Speaker 1: of film with her and Mary. She appears in one
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Speaker 1: of the Lasky Famous Player films, and then her contract expires.
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Speaker 1: She's in Sentimental Tommy and it's great, She's amazing, and
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Speaker 1: her contract just gone. Now Lily Engish is She's just like,
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Speaker 1: what the actual fuck? And she marches Mary ast Her
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Speaker 1: over to d W. Griffith, and so she has the
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Speaker 1: screen test with Griffith and he loves her, right, he
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Speaker 1: thinks she's amazing, but not Auto cannot stand Auto. Right.
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Speaker 2: So Mary's only what like fourteen years old? Fifteen years
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Speaker 2: old at this.
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Speaker 1: Point, and Griffith knows the Auto was going to be
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Speaker 1: a pain, like he watched him watch her and he
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't like this vibe.
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Speaker 2: And so by.
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Speaker 1: Just his physical brains.
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Speaker 2: Auto cost his daughter like career opportunities. So yeah, d W.
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Speaker 1: Griffith does not sign her like Otto has major dance
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Speaker 1: mom vibes, like that's the best way I can describe him.
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Speaker 1: And so she ends up acting in you know, independent
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Speaker 1: movies like The Beggar Mate and The Man Who Played God,
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Speaker 1: and she receives critical acclaim and she is being noticed,
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Speaker 1: and so Otto moves them out to Hollywood and it's
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Speaker 1: here that she signs a year long contract with Parmit Pictures.
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Speaker 1: And then who shows up just like he did in
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Speaker 1: the Tallula Bankhead episode, which you should all listen to.
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Speaker 1: It is one of my best, just and I say
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Speaker 1: it's not, it's not one of my best, but I
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Speaker 1: fucking love Tallula Bankhead.
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Speaker 2: She is chaos personified.
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Speaker 1: She is bisexual chaos demon love her, right, anyway. John
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Speaker 1: Barrow Moore, Drew Barrymore's grandfather, Drew Barrymore's grandfather. He shows up.
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Speaker 1: He swings into the scene because he sees a picture
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Speaker 1: of the teenage actress and is just like so into her.
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Speaker 2: Ell and also it.
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Speaker 1: She's seventeen at this point, he is forty seventeen forty,
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Speaker 1: Just want to clarify that for everybody in the room.
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Speaker 1: And he wants her to star in bou Brummel with
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Speaker 1: him at Warner Brothers. And during the screen test he
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Speaker 1: whispers in her ear, Mary, Mary, you are so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: You make me feel faint. Allegedlys Now. John Barrymore at
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Speaker 1: this point like he was a bona fide star, like
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Speaker 1: he's known as one of the finest actors of his generation,
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Speaker 1: Like he is the cat's pajamas, like he's he's, he's
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Speaker 1: he's kind of a big deal. And he convinces her
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Speaker 1: parents to let them be alone together. Now her parents
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Speaker 1: would never let her be alone with anyone, Like controlling
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Speaker 1: is one way to put it, it's also.
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Speaker 2: The correct way to put it.
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Speaker 1: But John Barrymore being John Barrymore, he convinces them to
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Speaker 1: just like let us be alone. He tells them that
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Speaker 1: he wants to give her acting lessons. First, he does
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Speaker 1: this at their house so that they're comfortable with him.
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Speaker 2: What's that called? Is it grimming?
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 2: Who would say such a thing?
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Speaker 1: What? Me? Yes, I fucking did anyway. Oh oh, that's
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Speaker 1: actually really funny because, like in my notes, it actually says.
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Speaker 2: Here he grooms them, I mean earns their trust go
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Speaker 2: past me. That was smart. I love of it that I'm.
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Speaker 1: On the same wavelength as my own self from like
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Speaker 1: several months ago. And so after a while he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's so nervous and self conscious around you. She needs
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Speaker 1: to be privately taught private acting with me, privately with
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Speaker 1: my privates I mean, I mean private lay away from
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Speaker 1: the papa ratsay?
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Speaker 2: Is that even a thing yet? I know?
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Speaker 1: And he's like, it would be so much easier to
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Speaker 1: get her out of her dress, I mean out of
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Speaker 1: her shell if she did the acting lessons away from you, securely,
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Speaker 1: behind closed doors where you cannot see her. And so
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Speaker 1: without further ado.
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Speaker 2: D you buy more?
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Speaker 1: Take the teenage Mary asked her to a hotel for
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Speaker 1: acting lessons, and Otto and Helen they I love it.
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Speaker 1: And he has this whole predatory situation. I mean, what's
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Speaker 1: now Mary and John start this love affair. See here's
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Mary didn't really receive a lot of
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Speaker 1: affection from her parents, and so she like equated sex
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Speaker 1: with emotional love, and so she assumed that a man
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Speaker 1: being attracted to her and wanting to boink her that
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Speaker 1: that was love.
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Speaker 2: And so they're shagging.
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Speaker 1: But also John Barrymore, he is actually helping her with acting,
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Speaker 1: so he is doing what he's doing, what he says
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Speaker 1: he's doing. He's also doing her like it's he's doing
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Speaker 1: book right, who says a man can't have range, And
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Speaker 1: so he's got her reading books in poetry and studying
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Speaker 1: music and drama and art like he's molding her into
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Speaker 1: be the woman he wants her to be. I mean, no,
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Speaker 1: that's he's.
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Speaker 2: Just helping her in her career.
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Speaker 1: And she's very much still under her parents' control, and
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Speaker 1: he is helping her to become an independent thinker.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, a broken clock is still right twice
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Speaker 2: a day.
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Speaker 1: You know. And he goes on to divorce his wife
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Speaker 1: and he asks Mary to marry him, but she keeps
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Speaker 1: telling him to wait because she's still under her father's
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Speaker 1: control because remember she's still a teenager, okay, and John Barrymore,
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Speaker 1: he gets tired of waiting around and so his eyes
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Speaker 1: wander to Dolores Costello. Oh, yes, Drew Barrymore's grandmother. So
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Speaker 1: like that happened at least, so this led to that
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Speaker 1: which is interesting. Would he have met Dolores? Would he
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Speaker 1: have married Dolores Costello is the real question. He would
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Speaker 1: have met her, but would he have married her? Like
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Speaker 1: if this hadn't happened if Mary asked her, hadn't you
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Speaker 1: know if her lack of better term rejected him? So
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Speaker 1: this whole scenario, because he goes off and marries Dolores.
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Speaker 1: This makes Mary think that being so under the thumb
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Speaker 1: regarding her parents is preventing her from finding love. And
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Speaker 1: like she calls this her like big regret, like not
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Speaker 1: saying yes to John Barrymore, who I would like to
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Speaker 1: add lest we forget. In the Taalola Bankhead episode, flashed
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Speaker 1: a teenage to Lula in his dressing room to try
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Speaker 1: and like who the young impressionable or he thought was
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Speaker 1: impressionable teenager And she was like no and tottered off. Anyhow,
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Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty five, Mary's parents use her money to
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Speaker 1: buy a mansion called Mooor Crest, which incidentally, Andy Samberg
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Speaker 1: currently lives in at time of writing and recording. And
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Speaker 1: basically it's a it's like a Beauty and the Beast
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Speaker 1: without the romance or the talking furniture. Yeah, they basically
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Speaker 1: keep her locked in the mansion.
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Speaker 2: They let her.
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Speaker 1: Out to make money and pee, and then they hold
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Speaker 1: her prisoner in the mansion that her parents bought with
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Speaker 1: her money from her, acting that she did, you know,
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Speaker 1: and she she's making money like she is making money.
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Speaker 1: She's making in like five thousand dollars a month, which
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Speaker 1: in today's money is ninety three thousand, five hundred and
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Speaker 1: eight dollars and forty eight cents. Yes, I did use
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Speaker 1: a calculator.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: She is the family meal ticket and the sole earner
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Speaker 1: for the family, and they know it, like that's why
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Speaker 1: they're trying to keep her contained and controlled and ruled
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Speaker 1: by them. And so Otto decides that he is going
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Speaker 1: to manage her affairs for her, because of course he
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Speaker 1: fucking is. He wants to hold the purse drinks. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's earning five grand a month. And Otto puts her
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Speaker 1: on an allowance of five dollars a week, and he
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Speaker 1: is in complete control of her finances, and he is
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Speaker 1: living the high life, and he is what we like
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Speaker 1: to call gian ut Lalde. And it all gets to
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Speaker 1: become too much for Mary, and at the age of
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Speaker 1: twenty one, she runs away. She runs away from home,
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Speaker 1: and I swear it is It is like out of
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Speaker 1: a movie, because she climbs out of her bedroom window
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Speaker 1: on the second floor, like she ties her bed sheets
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Speaker 1: together and just like climbs down like proper, proper cartoony.
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Speaker 1: And so she leaves and she checks into a hotel.
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Speaker 1: And listen, it's not like she ran away to join
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Speaker 1: the circus, which never happens anymore, like people run away
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Speaker 1: from the circus to join corporate America. That's a joke
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Speaker 1: from a far Side graphic novel that I read when
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Speaker 1: I was like ten years old.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, Boso and Jingles kids ran away from
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Speaker 1: the circus to join corporate America or something to that effect. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I used to love the first I have no idea
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Speaker 1: how it came across it. I'm gonna assume by my
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Speaker 1: cool big brother, but I can only assume. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she moves out, and she comes to a financial agreement
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Speaker 1: with her parents, and like, she doesn't actually get full
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Speaker 1: financial control, like for another five years until she's twenty six,
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Speaker 1: because her parents sued her for financial support. And it's
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Speaker 1: like between nineteen twenty and nineteen thirty, like Mary kept
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Speaker 1: twenty four thousand dollars and gave Auto four hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars. But she's got too ones of full lams.
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Speaker 1: She's got two ones of legs. She's over twenty one,
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Speaker 1: and she's free, and she's got a ham the Lahnni,
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Speaker 1: the el Hannah Ebbye. I can't help myself sometimes I
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Speaker 1: really can't. It seems like a good time to take,
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Speaker 1: like a little break, and we're back. I hope you
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the ads or a moment of silence, so Mary
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Speaker 1: asked her. She goes full on, utterly modern Milly. She
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Speaker 1: gets into jazz and licka. She's smoking, she's drinking, she's dancing,
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Speaker 1: she bobs her hair. She gets her own apartment on
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Speaker 1: Whitley Avenue in Hollywood, and she gets engaged to some dude.
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't stick, and she dates.
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Speaker 1: The writer John Mock Saunders for a while. Oh the
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Speaker 1: while she is working, and when her Paramount contract ended
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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty five, she was signed to Warner Brothers
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Speaker 1: and she is filming Don Juan with Barrymore or are
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Speaker 1: we surprised?
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Speaker 2: Are we surprised? Were not surprised. In nineteen twenty six.
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Speaker 1: She was named one of the wampa's Baby Stars. That's
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Speaker 1: a thing that was a thing the Western Association of
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Speaker 1: Motion Picture Advertisers.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm doing it in the voice. I'm doing it
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Speaker 2: in the voice.
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Speaker 1: Western Association of Mountain Picture Advertisers. It are of thirteen
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Speaker 1: young starlets who they believed to be on the cusp
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Speaker 1: of movie stardom. Doloris Costello whom I John, Barrymore, Jan Crawford,
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Speaker 1: who was also a Lucille she was Her name was
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Speaker 1: Lucille fay Lussur.
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Speaker 2: Like that is an amazing name. Imagine that being your name.
24:45
Speaker 2: But it was like, oh no, we need to name her.
24:48
Speaker 1: Joan, Like, okay, you had Dolores del Rio fay Ray.
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Speaker 1: Probably a few more, because that's less than thirteen. There's
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Speaker 1: definitely more. Nineteen twenty eight is a really busy.
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Speaker 2: Year for Mary. She's on loan to Fox.
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Speaker 1: And Stars in Dressed to kill and dry Martine. It's
25:12
Speaker 1: also the year that she meets director Ken Hawks Kenneth Hawks.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why he shortened his name there, there
25:22
Speaker 1: was no reason for it. He had made a lot
25:26
Speaker 1: of money on the stock market and he decided, I
25:30
Speaker 1: want to get into the movies. And so they get
25:32
Speaker 1: married at Moorecrest and he gets her a Packard automobile
25:38
Speaker 1: as a wedding present, and they moved to this house
25:43
Speaker 1: on Lookout Mountain above Beverly Hills, and it was so
25:46
Speaker 1: of the year. It would have been like top range
25:49
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties housing, and it's still there today.
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Speaker 2: You can see it, like from.
25:54
Speaker 1: The outside, like, don't go breaking into people's houses, that's
25:57
Speaker 1: not cool.
25:58
Speaker 2: But I saw it.
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Speaker 1: I saw that after the show I did on Mary Astor.
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Speaker 2: My friend. He drove me up to it.
26:06
Speaker 1: And it was like the cloudiest, greyest day and I
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Speaker 1: got to see Mary Astor's house and it really really
26:17
Speaker 1: meant a lot to me, and like it probably meant
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Speaker 1: nothing to him to just like drive me up to
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Speaker 1: this house. I didn't ask him to do it, but
26:24
Speaker 1: he did it anyway. And like probably some people don't realize,
26:31
Speaker 1: like the little moments of kindness they do, and it really,
26:36
Speaker 1: it really meant a lot to me because I'm aware
26:41
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, history is like an abstract
26:44
Speaker 1: like concept that just kind of floats about. But for me,
26:48
Speaker 1: history is real, like these are real people, these are
26:51
Speaker 1: real lives, this is a real thing that happened.
26:55
Speaker 2: It's like.
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Speaker 1: When I was in Dublin and I went to the
26:58
Speaker 1: GPO and I put my fingers in the bullet holes
27:02
Speaker 1: in the pillars of the GPO from like when I
27:05
Speaker 1: was I don't know, nine or.
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Speaker 2: Something, and it meant something to me.
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Speaker 1: Like history, it's the lived experiences of people and it
27:17
Speaker 1: fucking matters. And this little moment of kindness, which again
27:23
Speaker 1: probably just seemed like a very probably thing he does
27:26
Speaker 1: for everybody, and everybody does for everybody, but like for me,
27:30
Speaker 1: it was really really nice and very considerate and kind
27:36
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it. So anyway, she's making movies.
27:43
Speaker 1: Mary Astor is making movies. He's getting more into producing
27:46
Speaker 1: and directing, and at this point she signed with Fox
27:49
Speaker 1: after her Warner Brothers contract had dissolved, and film is
27:55
Speaker 1: making the transition from silent movies and into talkees, and
28:01
Speaker 1: Fox gave her a sound test and they release her
28:04
Speaker 1: from her contract because her voice sounded too masculine. Now
28:11
Speaker 1: there's a theory that they didn't quite know how to
28:13
Speaker 1: use the recording equipment and they just made her sound
28:17
Speaker 1: more like masculine on the day.
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Speaker 2: But what are they gonna do admit that they're wrong.
28:26
Speaker 2: They haven't been to therapy.
28:29
Speaker 1: So she ends up taking eight months to like get
28:34
Speaker 1: herself ready for acting again, and she's taking voice coaching,
28:40
Speaker 1: singing lessons. If you've ever seen the movie Singing in
28:45
Speaker 1: the Rain, there's a scene where they're doing like elocution,
28:48
Speaker 1: which is they do Moses supposes is toses are roses,
28:52
Speaker 1: but Moses supposes erroneously. But Moses knows toses and roses
28:57
Speaker 1: as Moses supposes has toses to be.
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Speaker 2: So they do, and that's where they go.
29:02
Speaker 1: They do the song mods I suppose this is toeses
29:04
Speaker 1: are roses, but Moses you know, Yeah, that's the one
29:06
Speaker 1: they do that. It's amazing, it's amazing. It's a wonderful film.
29:11
Speaker 1: Everybody should watch Singing in the Ring. It's a great film.
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Speaker 2: And not just.
29:15
Speaker 1: Because I love the Broadway rhythm number and said Charis'
29:18
Speaker 1: is in it.
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Speaker 2: I love said Charise, she's got legs for days. Anyway.
29:24
Speaker 1: I also love Dan O'Connor. They make them laugh is
29:28
Speaker 1: just it's comedic perfection. I like classic comedy, okay, Okay.
29:35
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I listened to a rap
29:36
Speaker 1: baccd Ones and it was just like a comedy like rap,
29:41
Speaker 1: not rap that's wrong, like a comedy like skip thing
29:45
Speaker 1: they were doing, and I just remember laughing like so
29:53
Speaker 1: much because it was still funny, like if your jokes
29:56
Speaker 1: can last, like.
29:58
Speaker 2: Then you were really really comedian, Like you can.
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Speaker 1: Be like funny in the moment, and like for something
30:05
Speaker 1: to endure, like it has to be really really good
30:08
Speaker 1: and it was anyway.
30:13
Speaker 2: Anyway, the stock market.
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Speaker 1: Crash of nineteen twenty nine happened, and Kenneth loses everything.
30:22
Speaker 2: Like stockwise.
30:23
Speaker 1: Now he is still producing and directing, so he's not
30:26
Speaker 1: exactly destitute. Now they're doing okay esh, but the relationship
30:35
Speaker 1: doesn't have that spark physically, and so she writes in
30:41
Speaker 1: her diary about how she was maybe a little disappointed
30:46
Speaker 1: with Kenneth in the sack.
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Speaker 2: Other than that great.
30:51
Speaker 1: Relationship, she's content. Then tragedy strikes. At the age of
30:58
Speaker 1: twenty three, Kenneth hop dies. He's in this plane to
31:03
Speaker 1: create this flying sequence, and such men are dangerous. It's
31:09
Speaker 1: an aerial sequence over the Pacific, and the plane collides
31:13
Speaker 1: with another plane and everybody, everybody involved.
31:17
Speaker 2: Eyes and Mary.
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Speaker 1: She is so distraught she moves in with her friend
31:24
Speaker 1: Florence Eldridge and Elder's husband, and so she stays with
31:29
Speaker 1: them and they look after her, and she takes a
31:32
Speaker 1: long time to heal, and eventually she decides to put
31:36
Speaker 1: herself out there again and she dates Lee Tracy, an
31:40
Speaker 1: actor who like to party.
31:41
Speaker 2: In by link to party, I mean he.
31:43
Speaker 1: Was a raging alcoholic. One night, he parties a little
31:48
Speaker 1: too hard and a doctor was called, and a handsome doctor.
31:53
Speaker 1: At that Mary finds herself enthralled by the good handsome doctor,
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Speaker 1: doctor Franklin Thorpe. He was smart, he was gorgeous, and
32:05
Speaker 1: he was a good listener. He wasn't part of Hollywood.
32:09
Speaker 1: He wasn't part of that scene.
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Speaker 2: He was a doctor. It was a real person job.
32:16
Speaker 1: That being said, he wasn't exactly turned off by her
32:19
Speaker 1: fame and money. And in a crazy random happenstance, Mary
32:25
Speaker 1: has the marks on her tummy, which turned out to
32:28
Speaker 1: be TV. Now this was a time in Hollywood where
32:32
Speaker 1: you could have been ostracized for having tuberculosis, Like having
32:37
Speaker 1: tuberculosis in Hollywood was a black mark, like you could
32:41
Speaker 1: easily be just done for that. But doctor Thorpe, he
32:46
Speaker 1: catches it early, treats her and keeps it all under wraps,
32:52
Speaker 1: probably because she had to quarantine for months and he
32:55
Speaker 1: was the only person she saw along with a maid.
32:59
Speaker 2: You know, she's like my hero.
33:02
Speaker 1: And they get married on the twenty ninth of June
33:05
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty one, the same year she stars in Smart Women.
33:11
Speaker 1: Next year, they buy a yacht and sailed to Hawaii,
33:16
Speaker 1: where their daughter is born. Marilyn how Oly Thorpe?
33:21
Speaker 2: Now how Oly?
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Speaker 1: It means like happiness, joy, Like it's like a celebratory name.
33:29
Speaker 1: I know that I mispronounced it at the at the
33:33
Speaker 1: LA Show because it basically means like bad white person,
33:36
Speaker 1: whatever way I pronounced it, which Marilyn Thorpe might be fine,
33:43
Speaker 1: I mean she might not necessarily, but that feels like
33:45
Speaker 1: a bad name to put on your kids.
33:46
Speaker 2: But no, it's meant to be like joy, happiness, like
33:49
Speaker 2: that kind of niceness, like yeah.
33:52
Speaker 1: And so when they returned to California, Mary stars in
33:57
Speaker 1: Red Dust with Clark Gable. By now she is refusing
34:03
Speaker 1: to pay for moore Quest, you know, the mansion that
34:06
Speaker 1: her parents bought with her money. She's like, no, I'm
34:09
Speaker 1: not doing it anymore, and her dad has to.
34:13
Speaker 2: Sell it at a loss.
34:16
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, for the Thorpes, the honeymoon is over because doctor
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Speaker 1: Franklin Thorpe is a prick and by prick I mean
34:27
Speaker 1: he's physically inverbally abusive, and so she asks for he
34:30
Speaker 1: a divorce and he begs and pleads her not to
34:33
Speaker 1: do that, and she is worn down and stays with
34:36
Speaker 1: him anyway, she decides for it's time for a week
34:40
Speaker 1: trip away, and so she goes to New York City
34:44
Speaker 1: to see her very dear friend, Marion Seltzer, a script
34:50
Speaker 1: editor for Paramount, and she's like, you should meet my
34:54
Speaker 1: Bulleter Prize winning friend, George S. Kaufman, And so she does. Shockingly,
35:01
Speaker 1: You're going to be shocked. This will be your shocked face.
35:05
Speaker 1: This is the start of a torrid love affair because dun, dun, dun,
35:11
Speaker 1: they're both married. Ah, do you remember the diary that
35:18
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier. Well, she kept a very very detailed
35:22
Speaker 1: diary and it included very specific, sordid details about her
35:27
Speaker 1: love life, and so she writes about it like her
35:31
Speaker 1: entire life. This was a time where people used to
35:34
Speaker 1: write their diaries on the assumption that no one was
35:36
Speaker 1: ever going to read them, because it was a very
35:39
Speaker 1: normalized thing to do. You wrote in your diary, and
35:42
Speaker 1: so she would write about going to lunch with one person,
35:46
Speaker 1: bonking another.
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Speaker 2: You know, just day to day things. She did use
35:50
Speaker 2: code names. In my code names, I mean.
35:51
Speaker 1: Letters, because that that works, that's not decipherable. And so
36:01
Speaker 1: after her trip in New York, she goes back to
36:03
Speaker 1: Italy in nineteen thirty four and again asks for a divorce,
36:08
Speaker 1: and she takes their daughter and moves out. But doctor
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Speaker 1: Thorpe refuses the divorce, and he keeps saying no, but
36:17
Speaker 1: he's not an idiot, and so he raids the house
36:21
Speaker 1: and finds her diaries because she's she's accumulated a few
36:26
Speaker 1: because she's been keeping them for years, and he reads
36:32
Speaker 1: he reads them, and he reads all of the many, many,
36:36
Speaker 1: many considerable, terrible but true things that she had written
36:41
Speaker 1: about them. She goes on about how he's bad with
36:44
Speaker 1: money and spends hers. She hates his name dropping and
36:49
Speaker 1: social climbing. She writes about how he's a failure in
36:53
Speaker 1: the bedroom, and she makes.
36:56
Speaker 2: Fun of him for trying to grow a mustache like Clark,
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Speaker 2: Oh look at you, Palla, are we tiny mustache? How's
37:04
Speaker 2: that mustache coming along?
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Speaker 1: Basically, it was not a very flattering portrayal of the
37:13
Speaker 1: uh doctor. It was, however, very very flattering about G.
37:22
Speaker 1: Just a letter G, and today's letter is the letter
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Speaker 1: G for gonads.
37:29
Speaker 2: Listen to the.
37:30
Speaker 1: Chicago Testico daves It's not the best episode I've ever made,
37:33
Speaker 1: but it's probably the funniest.
37:36
Speaker 2: So Franklin Thorpe.
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Speaker 1: He tries to use the diary to blackmail Mary into
37:41
Speaker 1: not divorcing him, and she's like, fuck this for a
37:45
Speaker 1: game of soldiers and continues to sleep with Kaufman. It
37:52
Speaker 1: gets to the point where doctor Franklin Thorpe shows up
37:57
Speaker 1: at Kaufman's hotel and begs him to stop seeing Mary
38:03
Speaker 1: like he's bagging on the door like Joline, Joline, Joline, joelne,
38:10
Speaker 1: I'm begging of you, please don't take my mirror, and
38:16
Speaker 1: Kaufman pretends that he's absolutely not going to keep seeing Mary.
38:22
Speaker 1: He's like, um, sure, sure, definitely, definitely gonna do that.
38:27
Speaker 1: That's definitely something I am definitely, one hundred percent absolutely
38:31
Speaker 1: gonna do.
38:32
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing. It's definitely definitely happening.
38:38
Speaker 1: Anyway, Mary decides the divorce is happening, and Thorpe demands
38:48
Speaker 1: through custody of Marilyn or he's going to leak her
38:53
Speaker 1: diary to the press and have her ruined. You'll be done,
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Speaker 1: g You'll be done. Your friends will be done. Then
39:06
Speaker 1: there's a rumor that she rated every male star she
39:11
Speaker 1: ever slept with, like every every male star, every person
39:18
Speaker 1: she's ever shagged. She's raising them, like what four smiley
39:22
Speaker 1: faces out of five? Like, what is the ranking process?
39:26
Speaker 1: If she ranked them? I want to know where it is.
39:29
Speaker 1: Is it on skill? Is it on four play? Is
39:32
Speaker 1: it on bedroom talk? Is it the ability to unhook
39:37
Speaker 1: a bra? Is it orgasm based? How is this rated?
39:42
Speaker 1: Is it a starring system or is it just like
39:46
Speaker 1: varied this? I've thought too much about this, I think so.
39:51
Speaker 1: In these diaries as well, she has friends secrets and such,
39:57
Speaker 1: and because she's got that in there, that's she agrees
40:03
Speaker 1: to not ruin their lives because she's like, I can't
40:06
Speaker 1: fuck over my friends. The men have said sure, whatever,
40:09
Speaker 1: screw then because I did, but not my friends. Okay, listen,
40:14
Speaker 1: real talk. She is worried about her own scandal. She's
40:18
Speaker 1: worried about how this is going to affect her personally.
40:21
Speaker 1: But it's not just her that gets hurt in this scenario,
40:26
Speaker 1: it's everyone. And so she decides that she's going to
40:30
Speaker 1: keep stumb, she's going to keep it low, and she's
40:33
Speaker 1: just gonna agree and keep things civil with himself. That
40:38
Speaker 1: is until a year later when she discovers bruises on
40:43
Speaker 1: Maryland's body and she decides that she just doesn't care
40:46
Speaker 1: about the scandal anymore. She just wants to protect her daughter,
40:51
Speaker 1: and so a huge custody battle ensues. The trail is
40:56
Speaker 1: set for the twenty ninth of July nineteen thirty six.
41:00
Speaker 1: She's filming Doddsworth with director William Wyler, and basically she
41:05
Speaker 1: has to stop filming to attend the Trial of the Century,
41:10
Speaker 1: and this is Hollywood, so time is money.
41:13
Speaker 2: In Thorpe.
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Speaker 1: He is an absolute vindictive shit and before the trial starts,
41:18
Speaker 1: he leaks some diary pages to the press and basically
41:22
Speaker 1: paints Mary as a whore. And these diaries are known
41:26
Speaker 1: as the Purple Diaries because allegedly they were written in
41:30
Speaker 1: purple ink. Now that is wrong. It was brown It
41:37
Speaker 1: was brown ink. Now listen, I guess brown ink was
41:42
Speaker 1: popular at the time or easy to get, but it
41:45
Speaker 1: was brown ink. So once these pages hit the press,
41:48
Speaker 1: it is big news and it becomes this salacious, sordid trial.
41:54
Speaker 1: It is such big news that it ends up knocking
41:58
Speaker 1: like Franco in Spain and knocks him off the front page.
42:05
Speaker 1: It knocks Hitler off the front page. That is how
42:08
Speaker 1: big this story was. And all eyes are on Mary.
42:19
Speaker 1: So this is a custody trial and Forbes lawyers are
42:23
Speaker 1: claiming that Mary's tawdrey, immoral and basically that she's morally
42:28
Speaker 1: unfit to care for their daughter.
42:32
Speaker 2: And George S.
42:32
Speaker 1: Kaufman like during the trial, he is in La to
42:37
Speaker 1: work on a Marx Brothers films and because he's like around,
42:41
Speaker 1: they decide to subpoena him, and so they find him
42:47
Speaker 1: the issue with subpoena and he just gets the heck
42:50
Speaker 1: at a dodge so he doesn't have to testify, like
42:53
Speaker 1: he is sweeped out of the county. You know. During
42:58
Speaker 1: the trial, Mary is claiming that these diaries are forgeries
43:02
Speaker 1: designed to bring down her reputation. Allegedly's Franklin Thorpe did
43:09
Speaker 1: make some stuff up to release to the press, like
43:14
Speaker 1: did she write it?
43:15
Speaker 2: Did he just imagine it?
43:18
Speaker 1: Like? Allegedly some of the handwriting was a bit different
43:22
Speaker 1: and it has raised concerns. Now, Mary, she has one
43:26
Speaker 1: of the top lawyers of the time. She has the
43:29
Speaker 1: attorney Roland Rich Woolley, and he just goes to town
43:34
Speaker 1: on doctor Thorpe. What his angle was was that Thorpe's
43:39
Speaker 1: immorality counterbalanced that of his estranged wife. He had a
43:45
Speaker 1: cavalcade of women coming over and spending the night while
43:48
Speaker 1: Marilyn was there. There was even a record of a
43:52
Speaker 1: drunken brawl with a woman and that the police had
43:56
Speaker 1: to come and physically remove this woman from the house.
44:00
Speaker 1: How is he better? And at one point they paused
44:05
Speaker 1: the trial so that Mary asked her could finish her movie.
44:10
Speaker 1: Like the studio initially wanted to like fire her from
44:14
Speaker 1: Dodsworth over the Kaufman affair, but Samuel Goldwyn kept her.
44:18
Speaker 2: He was like, no, no, no, no, She stays and
44:22
Speaker 2: so when she returns she is ready to rock.
44:26
Speaker 1: She was cool as a cucumber during cross examination showing
44:30
Speaker 1: that she wasn't just some crazy, wild horrors slut of Babylon.
44:38
Speaker 1: Now that same year as well, right in nineteen thirty six,
44:43
Speaker 1: she marries Mexican film editor Manuel de Campbell, right, which
44:48
Speaker 1: is just like part of this. So Thorpe's lawyers they
44:52
Speaker 1: are just railing her with questions about the diaries, the
44:55
Speaker 1: sordid tales within, and it gets to the point that
44:59
Speaker 1: even the judge tells them to knock it off, because
45:01
Speaker 1: this isn't divorce proceedings.
45:03
Speaker 2: This is about the custody of a four year old girl.
45:08
Speaker 1: And they're told this isn't going to reopen the divorce
45:10
Speaker 1: case to sort it out, and they do. They hash
45:15
Speaker 1: out this very.
45:16
Speaker 2: Fair custody agreement.
45:19
Speaker 1: Mary gets Maryland during the school months and Thorpe gets
45:22
Speaker 1: her on weekends and holidays.
45:25
Speaker 2: And Mary She's.
45:27
Speaker 1: Convinced that after the trial she's just going to be canceled,
45:30
Speaker 1: ousted from Hollywood, blacklisted. But when Dodgsworth is released in
45:36
Speaker 1: September nineteen thirty six, when she first appears on the screen,
45:41
Speaker 1: audiences would clap and chea.
45:45
Speaker 2: She's a sensation. The people love her, They love.
45:50
Speaker 1: Her, and so the diary the diary that is like
45:57
Speaker 1: the center of his whole scandal. The judge order is
46:00
Speaker 1: it to be locked away, And it was until nineteen
46:06
Speaker 1: fifty two when it was removed from the bank vault
46:11
Speaker 1: and in front of a judge Mary Astor and Franklin Thorpe,
46:16
Speaker 1: the pages were set to blaze and turned to ash
46:19
Speaker 1: before their very eyes. Now, also in nineteen fifty two,
46:29
Speaker 1: she was in a sanitorium, like she was visiting sanitoriums
46:32
Speaker 1: because she had been struggling with alcoholism over the course
46:36
Speaker 1: of twenty years, which is unsurprising when you look at
46:41
Speaker 1: her life and like it's it's Hollywood in like the
46:46
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties, like these people had stories to tell.
46:53
Speaker 1: So the year after the trial, Mary returns to the
46:56
Speaker 1: stage and no Cowards Tonight at eight thirty, and then
47:00
Speaker 1: she gets into radio and she continues on the stage
47:04
Speaker 1: and making motion pictures. She's in the Prisoner of Zenda,
47:08
Speaker 1: the Hurricane, Midnight Brigan Young, the Maltese Falcon, She's in
47:15
Speaker 1: the Maltese Falcon, one of the most famous noirs and
47:21
Speaker 1: all the existence, it's it's the Maltese Falcon.
47:24
Speaker 2: I love felm noir. I love crime noir. I love
47:28
Speaker 2: old noir. I love it so much.
47:31
Speaker 1: I love those hard boiled detective stories.
47:33
Speaker 2: They're just there's just something about it.
47:38
Speaker 1: I just I love mysteries and puzzles and solutions, right,
47:42
Speaker 1: I love I love that stuff. I love puzzles.
47:45
Speaker 2: I love it's solve a puzzle. I love.
47:47
Speaker 1: So.
47:48
Speaker 2: I love escape rooms.
47:49
Speaker 1: Right, It's perfect for an ADHD brain because you're being
47:52
Speaker 1: forced to do a puzzle and you have a time limit,
47:55
Speaker 1: so you've got pressure, and it's just it's a really
47:58
Speaker 1: good dopamine hat drugs when you've got escape rooms.
48:02
Speaker 2: So I love it. I love it so much.
48:06
Speaker 1: Like next to my go to La, I want to
48:09
Speaker 1: go to the Labria Tarpets. Is it called Brea Bria
48:14
Speaker 1: the Labria tarpets? Someone will correct me because they always do.
48:19
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I just I love I love this and yeah,
48:24
Speaker 1: So back to the story. Maulti's vulgan. She wins the
48:30
Speaker 1: Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in the Great Line, and
48:35
Speaker 1: in that same year she divorces Manuel del Gambo. She
48:42
Speaker 1: performs in movies, musicals, she's on Broadway. She marries Thomas
48:48
Speaker 1: Gordon Wheelock and they're together for ten years and then
48:51
Speaker 1: and then they divorce. She continues working. She authors five novels.
48:59
Speaker 1: She writes My Story and autobiography, A Place Called Saturday,
49:04
Speaker 1: A Life on Film, The Incredible Charlie Carew and Goodbye Darling,
49:11
Speaker 1: Be Happy. But on top of that, she's still acting,
49:17
Speaker 1: and her final screen performance was in the classic Hush, Hush,
49:22
Speaker 1: Sweet Charlotte as Joel Mayhew. And after one hundred and
49:28
Speaker 1: nine films, Mary Astor retires from acting, and on the
49:35
Speaker 1: twenty fifth of September nineteen eighty seven, Mary Astor passes
49:40
Speaker 1: away at the Motion Picture Home in Woodland Hills at
49:44
Speaker 1: the age of eighty one, and so ends the story
49:51
Speaker 1: of Mary Astor.
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Speaker 2: If you liked my retelling of the story, I feel
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Speaker 2: free to written review of five stars.
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Speaker 1: If you didn't like it, you don't have to say anything.
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Speaker 1: It's fine, don't worry about it. Yeah, my throat is
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Speaker 1: really sore after doing that. Actually, I think it was
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Speaker 1: the Joline. I think the Joline got me. Joline got me.
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Speaker 1: But yes, if you like this, rate and review. If
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Speaker 1: you didn't, it's fine, you don't have to you don't
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Speaker 1: have to do anything. You can just keep it to yourself.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And if you want to follow me like out with
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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm on Patreon and if you join as
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Speaker 1: a free member. My internet is down at home, so
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Speaker 1: I'm not as good at uploading right now. But what
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Speaker 1: I've started doing in the last week or so is
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Speaker 1: because I know some people don't want to be on
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Speaker 1: Meta or TikTok or anything like that, is that I've
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Speaker 1: started posting any of the videos that I post on
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Speaker 1: like TikTok or Instagram. I also post now on the Patreon.
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Speaker 1: I am trying to get them on YouTube as well.
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Speaker 2: But my internet is down in my house again, and so.
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Speaker 1: It's going to take me a couple hours to upload
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Speaker 1: this episode because I'm doing it through mobile data.
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Speaker 2: Everything is fine, Everything is fine.
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Speaker 1: Listen to my actual phone signal, like my mobile signal,
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Speaker 1: cell phone signal at home. My area is not great,
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Speaker 1: so I really do rely on having like fiber broadband
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Speaker 1: in my house. And for the second time this year,
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Speaker 1: it's down and they're like it might be fixed in
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Speaker 1: five days, and I'm like, might it mighte it?
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Speaker 2: And so here we are, here we are. I did
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Speaker 2: get to tell.
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Speaker 1: A very lovely customer service agent about the Pope's pit
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Speaker 1: elephant that was buried at the Vatican. I may have
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Speaker 1: I may have shared that information, but I didn't get
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Speaker 1: money off my bill for that, So I mean, hurry.
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Speaker 1: So if you want to see me be like unhinged,
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Speaker 1: Threads is probably the place to be because I say
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff there, not all of it cohesive,
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Speaker 1: not all of it's sane, to be honest, and that
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Speaker 1: just seems to be where where my brain leaks. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've courted some issues on Threads. I think I
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Speaker 2: can't be translated.
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Speaker 1: But I am on like Facebook apparently, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: post there. I'm not active on it because a lot
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Speaker 1: of a lot of abusive all people tend to be
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Speaker 1: on Facebook. But I'm everywhere else, And like tech talk
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Speaker 1: exists and it's doing okay, but it's weird.
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Speaker 2: It's weird. It's not translating. It's not a point.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to rant about it now because that's weird.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm on I'm on the socials. I never
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Speaker 1: post on the thing formerly known as Twitter.
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Speaker 2: I'm not there.
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Speaker 1: I'm just not any loans mess I just cannot Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I'm there, I'm here, I'm everywhere. I'm still writing
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Speaker 1: my book it's not out yet, much to my editor
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Speaker 1: charging probably, but that is how things are. And I
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Speaker 1: do have some bonus stuff coming to the Patreon this month.
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Speaker 1: This month, I am getting it. It's just again the
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Speaker 1: internet issue seems to be causing a problem. But I'm
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Speaker 1: doing what I can. Please don't hate me AnyWho. Without
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Speaker 1: further ado, it's recommendation time. So for watching, just watch
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Speaker 1: task Master. I want to be on task Master. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I want to be on task Master and I want
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Speaker 1: to see I want to see the new Superman movie.
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Speaker 2: Who wants to take me to the new Superman movie?
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Speaker 2: It can be a dates. Oh what are you doing? Kerry?
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Speaker 2: Pore myself out on the podcast so that I can
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Speaker 2: see Superman. I can go my own. It's fine.
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Speaker 1: But I love the cinema like I love going to
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Speaker 1: the pictures. It's always been a fun experience for me.
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Speaker 1: I always like to treat it as like it's a
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Speaker 1: little special because it wasn't something you got to do
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Speaker 1: a lot when I was a kid, and it was
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Speaker 1: like a real treat to go to the pictures.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: For listening Wine and Crime podcast, did I recommend them
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Speaker 1: last week?
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Speaker 2: To maybe? I did listen to Wine and crime. This
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Speaker 2: is America month. They're murcane. Listen to America. I don't
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Speaker 2: know why I do it. Is it not Minnesota?
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Speaker 1: Eh? Is it Minnesota? I have to stop doing voices.
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Speaker 1: Clearly things are getting more tired at the end of this.
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Speaker 1: And for and for reading, Oh there's a choice.
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Speaker 2: You know what reading.
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Speaker 1: Go read the Maltese falcon. Go read it. Go read
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Speaker 1: some old timey books, have a good time. I was like,
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Speaker 1: what can I recommend just the Maltese falcon? What did
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Speaker 1: you watch the Maltese falcon?
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Speaker 2: What did you eat? Listen? I actually don't know if
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Speaker 2: Malta has falcons. I do know that Malta has two.
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Speaker 1: Official languages, which are Maltese and English. And it was like,
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Speaker 1: apparently the best place to be gay in due crime.
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Speaker 1: I used to date a Maltese man. In case you're
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Speaker 1: wondering why I have information about Malta specifically.
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Speaker 2: I pay attention anyway.
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Speaker 1: That being said, enjoy, watch some stuff, read some stuff,
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Speaker 1: learn a few things, and I will see you for
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Speaker 1: a very special bonus episode on the fourth of July.
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Speaker 1: Adios aauvla Veda zen my friends, Bye bye,