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Richard Sherman SETTLES DEBATE: Seahawks' 2013 Legion of Boom vs. Broncos' 2015 No Fly Zone · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And you know
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  Speaker 1: what time it is. It's the off season, which means
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  Speaker 1: we can get into pointless debates about which defense is better.
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  Speaker 1: The twenty fifteen Denver Broncos no Flies on are the
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen Seattle Seahawks legion of boom And in my personal,
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  Speaker 1: biased opinion, it's the legion of boom and it's not
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  Speaker 1: even close. But I will make that point in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways, in a surgical way throughout this show,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: But first off, we'll start.
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  Speaker 1: I got a ton of respect for the twenty fifteen
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  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Von Miller, DeMarcus whare Key, Chris Harris Junior,
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  Speaker 1: some of my favorite corners, some of my favorite guys
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  Speaker 1: to watch on tape. Some of the best corners of
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League during the decade that we played
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  Speaker 1: very effective. Like my guy TJ wore big time hitter,
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  Speaker 1: a guy who played the game at a high level,
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  Speaker 1: played it the right way. Darien Stewart was a ball
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  Speaker 1: hawlk in that secondary, also laid the hammer. Had a
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  Speaker 1: lot lot of respect for those guys Bruton who played
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  Speaker 1: a really good, really good at that season. But I
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  Speaker 1: just don't see it. I don't I don't see it
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  Speaker 1: being close. You talk about our defense, is two Defensive
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  Speaker 1: Player of the Year candidates that year who came in
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  Speaker 1: top five in voting, third and five respectively. Two first
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  Speaker 1: team All pros. Cam got a second team All Pro.
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  Speaker 1: We got two All Decade members. Chris Harris junior may
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  Speaker 1: the All Decades team, so got to give him respect there.
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  Speaker 1: But that season are I mean it really it really
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  Speaker 1: if you really looked at the paper, it's not even
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  Speaker 1: a debate. It's not even debatable. It's not if you
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  Speaker 1: go back and look at it, it's not even debatable.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at the opponents we played in the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the offensive efficiency and effectiveness of those teams.
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  Speaker 2: Is it debatable it's really not MVP Cam.
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  Speaker 1: No question about a great year, great season, that season,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta shut him down in the Super Bowl. But
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  Speaker 1: was that season better than than Peyton Manning's twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 1: where he threw fifty five touchdowns and five thousand some yards.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'll tell you that's written. No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: All MVP seasons aren't created equal, and one Peyton had
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  Speaker 1: is in the history books for a reason. And we
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  Speaker 1: shut it down and we made it look easy because
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  Speaker 1: of the deep team had and because of the defense
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  Speaker 1: we had, because of the players we had.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let me explain, because.
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  Speaker 1: Your general manager, John wil Lway, at the time he
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  Speaker 1: said it best. He watched our secondary and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we need to recreate that to get back here.
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  Speaker 2: And we appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, and we're flattered.
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  Speaker 1: You built the defense based off the legion of boom
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  Speaker 1: and they got to the Super Bowl in dominant fashion
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  Speaker 1: and got the job done.
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  Speaker 2: That's something to be said.
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  Speaker 1: I can respect that, But to then go back and
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  Speaker 1: say we were better, I'm gonna need you to prove
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  Speaker 1: because I want to make sure you guys understand this fully.
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  Speaker 1: The no fly zones defense as a whole, including everybody,
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  Speaker 1: had fourteen interceptions.
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  Speaker 2: Fourteen. That's not a ton. That's not a ton. That's
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of interceptions in general.
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  Speaker 1: I had eight alone and twenty thirteen if you just
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  Speaker 1: look at the starting secondary. If you look at Chris
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  Speaker 1: Harris Junior had two, A Keep had three. I think
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  Speaker 1: Darien Stewart had one. Ward had zero. I'll see who
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  Speaker 1: else had had a couple in this in this year
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  Speaker 1: that played.
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  Speaker 2: A ton Bruton. Bruton had two.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, if you take their whole second, starting secondary
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  Speaker 1: and even the safeties that were rotated in, there's about
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  Speaker 1: nine interceptions in there. If you look at our secondary,
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  Speaker 1: just the starters, cam Earl, Thomas, Byron Maxwell, myself, that's
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  Speaker 1: twenty interceptions. Like what are we really talking about here?
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  Speaker 1: What are we really what are we really discussing? If
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  Speaker 1: you go through passing yards per game. The Legion of
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  Speaker 1: Boom gave up one hundred and seventy two passing yards
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  Speaker 1: a game Number one in the league, No Flys one
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  Speaker 1: gave up one ninety nine. That's a that's a twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven yard difference per game. Okay, if you look at
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  Speaker 1: passing tds per game in the Legion of Boom, what
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  Speaker 1: they give up passing touchdowns a game. That's twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Got my stats right here, Thanks, and gentlemen, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: playing today. Legion of Boom gave up sixteen passing touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: that season. In twenty fifteen, the Denver Broncos defense gave
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  Speaker 1: up nineteen passing touchdowns. Again, how is it a debate?
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  Speaker 1: Gave up more yards, gave up more touchdowns. Now I
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  Speaker 1: hear the debate. Oh, they carried this offense and this
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, you know, was throwing ducks.
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  Speaker 2: And doing all this.
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  Speaker 1: Their offense held the ball for thirty minutes in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had about the same amount of passing yards
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  Speaker 1: through the playoffs as Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: They ran the ball for about the same amount of
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  Speaker 2: yards as we ran.
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  Speaker 1: The difference between the Legion of Boom and the no
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  Speaker 1: fly zone is your offense would have preferred us. And
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  Speaker 1: Keith said something crazy. He said, we played the sexier
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  Speaker 1: branded defense and y'all would have yall people loved watching us.
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  Speaker 2: That's more.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how many kids have come up to me
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  Speaker 1: and said, man, you made playing dB fun. Again, Man,
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  Speaker 1: you made playing dB cool. We would have given your
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  Speaker 1: offense fourteen more possessions than you guys gave them, and
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  Speaker 1: that's not including the picks that went for touchdowns. So
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  Speaker 1: when you complained about the offense, but you have half
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  Speaker 1: as many interceptions as our defense provided, I don't understand
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  Speaker 1: how the conversation is there. So the offense stopped them
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  Speaker 1: from creating turnovers?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We doubled jump on interceptions. You had fourteen, We had
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight. As a team. We had eight. We had
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  Speaker 1: eight turnovers in the playoffs alone. In three playoff games,
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  Speaker 1: we had eight at three in a Super Bowl. We
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  Speaker 1: had three in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship alone.
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  Speaker 1: Every time the San Francisco forty nine ers offense lined
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  Speaker 1: up with the ball, the possession ended with us taking
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  Speaker 1: it from them. What are we really talking about? And
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  Speaker 1: then the people saying Oh well, y'all didn't play anybody
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  Speaker 1: in those playoffs. What what what are we talking? We
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  Speaker 1: played Drew Brees in the Divisional He had fifty one
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards, thirty nine passing touchdowns to twelve interceptions. That
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  Speaker 1: would be an MVP season in most seasons. That would
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  Speaker 1: have probably want him the MVP in this day and age.
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  Speaker 1: But Peyton had more. Peyton had the most passing touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: most passing yards in the history of National Football League.
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  Speaker 1: And we held him to eight points. And we didn't
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  Speaker 1: make it look that hard. We didn't make it look
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  Speaker 1: that hard. Y'all played Cam and A and a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of guys, that receiver that likely wouldn't have been number
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  Speaker 1: one receivers anywhere in the National Football League. Congratulations he
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  Speaker 1: was MVP. Cam had a heck of a year. The
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  Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers had a heck of a year. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not a comparison, guys, it's not. There's no number, stat
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  Speaker 1: or or anything you can put out there that would
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  Speaker 1: prove that point outside of suggest subjective opinions about, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I thought they were better than you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: We played man coverage on third down. Anybody out there
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  Speaker 1: please somebody pull up the numbers, pull up the tape,
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  Speaker 1: because watch third down. Nobody's playing one hundred percent man
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  Speaker 1: a man coverage, So don't get that confused. I hate
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  Speaker 1: when people say we played man, they play zone. No
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  Speaker 1: you didn't. You played zone and we played some man.
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  Speaker 1: You played some zone, We played some man. We played
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  Speaker 1: some man. Y'all played some zone. Like that's how football works.
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  Speaker 1: Because but the difference is we didn't play zone because
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  Speaker 1: we had to. We didn't play zone because we were
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  Speaker 1: incapable of playing man. We could have played man. We
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  Speaker 1: did play man when push came and shove. You can
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  Speaker 1: watch the tape and somebody can pull up the percentages.
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  Speaker 1: I know somebody out there has has gone down and
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  Speaker 1: combed through our and can show you we probably played
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, eighteen percent man and man coverage was
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  Speaker 1: probably right around the league average. We played it on
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  Speaker 1: third down because you got to play it on third down,
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  Speaker 1: and played it on second down sometimes when the situation
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  Speaker 1: called for, it played on first down. Sometimes when when
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  Speaker 1: the run game and the situation called for. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of factors that go into playing man and man
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  Speaker 1: coverage versus own. But when you have players as smart
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  Speaker 1: as the players we had. You have some of the
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  Speaker 1: highest IQ players in the National Football League on your defense.
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  Speaker 1: kJ Wright one of the smartest players in the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League, Cam Chancer one of the smartest players in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League myself, Earl Thomas. Then it's a
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  Speaker 1: waste of resources to say, hey, we're gonna put you
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  Speaker 1: on this guy and you stop him, because that might
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  Speaker 1: not even be the guy that beats you. That might
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  Speaker 1: not be Jackson Smith and Jig But was the offensive
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  Speaker 1: player of the Year this season, honestly the best receiver
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  Speaker 1: in the National Football League. He went out of the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl very early. What did man coverage matter? At
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  Speaker 1: the point? What matters is taking a football away. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why most teams play zone. Now, most teams play
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  Speaker 1: predominantly zone, and you're not seeing a lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: that play predominantly man make.
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  Speaker 2: The Super Bowl because it's easily beaten.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easily beaten because you just don't have the personnel,
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  Speaker 1: but schematically it's easily beaten.
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  Speaker 2: You can you canna have.
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  Speaker 1: The best goringner in the league in the scheme, they
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  Speaker 1: can run a play where people getting his way and
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  Speaker 1: the receiver just weaves his way through all the way
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  Speaker 1: across the field and is now open, like there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: protecting the dB from just getting picked off during the
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  Speaker 1: play by bodies. So you lead a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: up to chance, up to the referees calling a penalty.
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  Speaker 1: So our defense was, Hey, really, smart players, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna run. We're gonna run the same defense as
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  Speaker 1: often as we can, and when we gotta run man
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  Speaker 1: and keep things tight, we will. But we're gonna allow
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  Speaker 1: our intelligence to benefit us in the maximum way. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what we did. That's why we had so many turnovers.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we had twenty eight interceptions by the starting secondary,
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  Speaker 1: because smart players were putting themselves in position to be successful. Like,
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  Speaker 1: when you run the same defense, it's nothing special, they're
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  Speaker 1: not the coaches were putting a ton of seasoning on
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  Speaker 1: these plays they run. It's not some exotic blitz package
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  Speaker 1: where we're depending on the coordinator to put us in
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  Speaker 1: position to be successful. No, it's really smart players saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we're running, this is the formation they're
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  Speaker 1: giving us, These are their tendencies in the formation, communicating thoroughly,
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  Speaker 1: Hey you got this, Hey we're gonna bastardize this this way,
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  Speaker 1: to give them a too high look, or to give
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  Speaker 1: them this look, and then we're gonna run the route
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  Speaker 1: for them and we're gonna take the football from them.
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  Speaker 1: They gave us opportunities to see the formation, to see
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  Speaker 1: the ball. That's why we ran the defense we ran
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  Speaker 1: because we were really smart and it what made us
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  Speaker 1: really really effective. And that's why we led the league
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  Speaker 1: in turnovers, we led the league in passing yards, we
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  Speaker 1: led the league, and we let the league in scoring
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  Speaker 1: for four years straight. You know why we do that
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  Speaker 1: because we are coaches on the field. We're understanding what
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  Speaker 1: we're dealing with, We're understanding the personnel we're dealing with,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're just damn good players. And we'll go
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  Speaker 1: back to Leeds commentary about if you put the two
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  Speaker 1: secondaries against each other, I'm picking me all day. First off,
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  Speaker 1: and Lee, there's not a corner in this world that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna say anything other than what Leave said. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: if you ask Chris Harris Junior, he's saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You ask Bayern Maxwell, he's saying saying, that's how we built,
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  Speaker 1: that's how corners talk.
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  Speaker 2: I'm picking.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not picking nobody over myself at any time any place.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, especially guys that played in the same time
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  Speaker 1: as I played. So I respect that. I ain't got
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  Speaker 1: no problem with that, But that's not saying that the
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  Speaker 1: necessary truth if you took there are guys on our
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  Speaker 1: secondary that if you took from our secondary in twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirteen and put them on the Denver Broncos secondary, they'd
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  Speaker 1: be the best guys in that secondary. As that debatable point,
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  Speaker 1: is that something that we're debating. I had eight interceptions
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  Speaker 1: in the season that season, the seasons we're comparing to
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen versus twenty fifteen, that would have objectively been
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  Speaker 1: a better season than anybody on that secondary. Earl Thomas
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  Speaker 1: had five interceptions that season, first team All Pro, third Defensive.
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  Speaker 2: Player of the Year voting.
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  Speaker 1: That would have objectively been better than any season anybody
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  Speaker 1: on Denver Broncos secondary. Had Cam Chancer, second team All Pro,
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  Speaker 1: with a ton of devastating hits, a ton of really
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  Speaker 1: incredible moments that you weren't seeing. I mean, some of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest plays in Super Bowl history that you're really
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  Speaker 1: not appreciating, and I wish I could break him down
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  Speaker 1: for you. He was getting a scene where falls off
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  Speaker 1: the scene to cover the over route that should have
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  Speaker 1: been wide open. Peyton Manning was pulling his hair out
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  Speaker 1: about it because they thought that was a gimme, and
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  Speaker 1: it should have been. But if not for cam Chancer's
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  Speaker 1: incredible play. But I say all this to say, the
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  Speaker 1: gap between the twenty thirteen Legion of Boom and the
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen No Flies On isn't even a closable gap.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's step back.
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  Speaker 1: If you compared the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos to the
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Seattle Seahawks, then you got a better argument.
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  Speaker 1: You got something to say. Damn you got you got
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  Speaker 1: a point to make. That was a down year for us,
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  Speaker 1: but we still led the league in points. We still
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  Speaker 1: were better than the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos in point
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  Speaker 1: We were second in yards. We gave up less passing touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: had the same amount of interceptions. Like, again, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: not even gonna be able to find a great gap
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  Speaker 1: there they had. They gave up to one and ninety
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  Speaker 1: nine passing yards a game. I think we gave up
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  Speaker 1: to ten. Like people were like y'all lost to the
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  Speaker 1: Panthers that year and they beat the Panthers. We gave
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  Speaker 1: up one hundred and sixty one yards in one touchdown
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  Speaker 1: to Cam Newton. I think y'all gave up two forty
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  Speaker 1: five in the Super Bowl. Like it just doesn't always
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  Speaker 1: work out perfectly in these games. Yead Jonathan Stewart had
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  Speaker 1: had a great run in the game. There was a
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  Speaker 1: there were some some plays that that are offense would
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  Speaker 1: have wanted it back. Some plays we would have won
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  Speaker 1: it back. Shoot, it wasn't our best work were that
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  Speaker 1: was our off year. We did not play as well
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  Speaker 1: as we should have been that game, and they played
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  Speaker 1: the better game than they won.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they want but to act like.
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  Speaker 1: This was some crazy deal and to actually ignore the
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  Speaker 1: offense that we faced in the Super Bowl, which is
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  Speaker 1: one of the statistically greatest of all time, and we
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  Speaker 1: made them look like they were a JV team that
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  Speaker 1: got to play on the same field as us. They
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  Speaker 1: got the garbage time touchdown that we were pretty upset about.
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  Speaker 1: Demarius had a bunch of catches and garbage time. But
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, we just dominated them from start
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  Speaker 1: to finish.
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  Speaker 2: They ran that hurry up stuff. We were better. We
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  Speaker 2: were more prepared.
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  Speaker 1: We were ready for all of it, all the smoke
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  Speaker 1: we scored, even if you take away the pat our
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  Speaker 1: defense scored eight points in that game. Our special team
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  Speaker 1: scored six, so that would have been fourteen. That would
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  Speaker 1: have been enough to win without our offense stepping on
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the field with the kind of game we played. And
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: again I keep hearing this, like, oh man, they drugged
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: this offense. I would imagine we would have drug them
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: there too, and would have made it look easy. Wou'd
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: have made it easier with more turnovers.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: We ticked the ball.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: We took pride in coming over, getting on the field
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we about to take the football again.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And in this day and age, it's hard to do.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So I say all that to say, if you guys,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: if somebody can show me a stat or a number
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that makes their point, I'm all ears, But there aren't many.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: There aren't many. And the man versus his own stuff
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: isn't isn't what y'all making it out to be. Right
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: now in this day and age, nobody's playing more than
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think Denver played thirty thirty two percent. Cleveland played
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a really crazy amount. I think they might have played forty,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: which is outrageous for this time. I don't think before
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: them that the league average is like thirty four thirty
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: five at its highest in twenty nineteen. It's at about
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: twenty two now the league average man coverage percentage of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: man coverage playing. Most people only play it on third down.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make a ton of sense to play in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the red zone because teams are getting too creative. And again,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it just feels like lazy coordinating to put your defense
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in those positions where hey, it doesn't matter what you do.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: They can pick you off, they can run away from you,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: they can motion back and forth, get lost at the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: snap and then run the opposite way and you beat like.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It really puts a lot of weight on the secondary
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and on the player to get things right. And even
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: when you get things right, it might be in an
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: incredible catch like That's why the Super Bowl winning teams
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years have not played a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: ton of man coverage. A lot of them are six
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: big vangil six this, two highbrid cover three three fire zones.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of coverages like that. That's what the league
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: has moved to. And again, if you really look at
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of teams still play Cover three because it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: still great against the it still does the job that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it needs to do in sacking eight in the box
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and getting guys gap sound. Seattle Seayawk still played in
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of Cover three this year. They played too high,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they played six, they played four, they played two man,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: they played regular man, but they played a lot of
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: three as well.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So I just don't get it. I don't get it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Y'all could tell me I'm wrong, but the numbers support
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and I don't see what the numbers
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: how you can beat those numbers. If the numbers were
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the opposite way, I wouldn't have an argument to make.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: If you said the Denver Broncos had had a better
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: points per game than us. We had fourteen, they had eighteen,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to make that argument.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: If they had given up less passing yards per game
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: than US, I wouldn't be able to make this argument.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: If they had double our interceptions, I wouldn't be able
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to make this argument. And the opposite would be true
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and it would be factual if they could make the claim, hey,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: we had double y'all interceptions like, what are we talking about?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: How would that be an argument? How would it be
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: an argument if you said, hey, we had we had
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: thirteen more turnovers than y'all as a defense, how would
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it be an argument. The part of the argument that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: changes it is the two Hall of Fame pass rushers
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they had. Von Miller was the best player on that defense.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think if you ask anybody who the best player
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: on our defense that season was, it would start with
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the secondary, regardless of who you pick. Now, Bobby Wagner is,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best middle linebacker they ever played
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and his numbers and accolades
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: support that. I think Cliff Aver and Mike Bennett are
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: two of the best pass rushers. They're going to be
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: underrated for most of their career, but in twenty thirteen
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: they were. They weren't even the starters that year. It
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was Chris Clemens and Red Bryan Steele, and they would
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and people don't even realize that. That's what made us
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: so great is how deep we were. Bruce was coming
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: off the bench. It was a lot of guys, great guys,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: truck drivers coming off the bench. Brian Brandon mee bang
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: was starting shit, kJ and Malcolm were rotating at times.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: kJ and Mulckham were rotating to the point where Malcolm
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: ends up getting Super Bowl MVP.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And then we're not even talking about Walter Thurman, the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: third who would have been a starter on every team
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in the National Football League that season and he got
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a little banged up and things didn't work out like
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it should. But one of the best Nickels in the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: National Football League that season as well, and Byron Maxwell
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: would have led for the twenty thirteen season, would have
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: led to Denver Broncos in interceptions, Like.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: If it was the other way, would it be an argument.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't. It wouldn't.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So that's why I don't understand where the ankst and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: this conversation has gotten and how it's gotten out of control.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's like not supported by anything. And if it was,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I would respect it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I would respect if Leeb had eight interceptions first team
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: All Pro, fifth and Defensive Player of the Year voting,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I had three interceptions and we won the Super
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Bowl and we were playing a lot of man, I'd say, Lee,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you had a better season that year, Like I think
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I'm better and I think you know, I still got
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: my numbers and I still do my thing. But if
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: we're comparing him to seasons, he got that one. That's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Guys got a
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: lot of respect for what they did, uh that season
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: they dominated, But what we did is better, and that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the easy way to put it. Appreciate y'all joining me
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: as always. You could be anywhere in the world, but
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you're here with me, and I surely do appreciate it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.