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Cages, Choices, and Conscience: A Moral Wake-up Call | Episode 226 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:02
  Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome to this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 0:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: I am your host, founder and executive director of Voices for Voices Justin Alan Hayes.
• 0:14
  Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for joining us today.
• 0:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: Well, over 224 episodes.
• 0:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: At this point, we're still going towards that 300 goal by the end of 2025 calendar year and I have an inkling that we may go over that.
• 0:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that's just something to keep an eye out, for.
• 0:45
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's really been a journey, to really say it, the easiest of the organization where we've been, where we're going, where we're going, and we wouldn't be able to be sitting here with you watching or listening to our show for this many episodes if there wasn't an interest in the content that we are putting out.
• 1:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: So, as we do on every episode, we couldn't do this without you.
• 1:28
  Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for your love and support, and this is just really incredible the impact that we're having location-wise, demographic, geographic.
• 1:44
  Justin Alan Hayes: Location wise, demographic, geographic however you measure listens, downloads, uh, you know all those metrics uh, they, uh, they just continue to go up, but they continue to rise and it's it's really a miracle to be where we're where we're at and and to have had, and continue to have, such diverse topics, diverse guests.
• 2:25
  Justin Alan Hayes: We've, of course, done several multiple remote episodes, different states, different countries.
• 2:39
  Justin Alan Hayes: So it's really, in our eyes, when we have the ability to, we'd like to come and talk to you, share world events, current events, personal events, topics, because, as I've learned pretty early on growing up, that there's always at least one, at least one person, that every, every episode, every interview, every speech, every press conference, uh, every class taught, uh, that we're going to reach somebody.
• 3:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to reach somebody, and that's what makes the burden really so heavy on us is, whether we know it or not, we're going to be impacting individuals and we know nobody's perfect.
• 4:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know nobody.
• 4:02
  Justin Alan Hayes: Here is Jesus.
• 4:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: Jesus is perfect.
• 4:05
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we're going to make mistakes, we're going to maybe misstate things when we're not sure that it's on us to share that.
• 4:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're not perfect, we're not an expert on everything, so we think that the best for other people, without taking advantage of them, that's what we in the end, you know when we're at the gates, you know at the end of our time on earth, you know that's how we're going to be judged.
• 5:24
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know at the end of our time on earth, you know that's how we're going to be judged Again.
• 5:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: Can't bring your house, can't bring your car, your yacht, your jet.
• 5:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know we can't take those things with us.
• 5:43
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that is very just powerful to think about and it can be hard.
• 5:57
  Justin Alan Hayes: It can be really hard to think about that.
• 6:01
  Justin Alan Hayes: As far as that impact on how we're going to be judged by Jesus, that's a big burden and I think I speak for a lot of people that that burden's probably bigger than how we feel about touching an individual's mind about a topic, about an experience.
• 6:23
  Justin Alan Hayes: Those are very important, but to think that this thing we call life is going to cease to exist, it really, you know, puts things in perspective, as we call it, and I think that's a big deal.
• 6:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's a big deal to think about.
• 6:51
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's a big deal.
• 6:53
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's a burden, you know, because we can be so concerned and worrying about what we're saying, how we're saying it.
• 7:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: But when we talk about being a Christian and having that as a pillar of the organization, voices for voices, that's something that's big Because we're talking about faith.
• 7:28
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're talking about faith in God, we're talking about faith in individuals, the congregation.
• 7:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: Who's sitting next to you in the pew, or behind you, or in front of you, or in front of me, behind me, in front of me, and so we think about this thing called faith, and faith in the good.
• 7:59
  Justin Alan Hayes: The doing is right, as we can.
• 8:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we're going to mess up.
• 8:05
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we're going to mess up.
• 8:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we're going to screw up.
• 8:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: However, to have your faith in the Antichrist or something, that is very wrong and troubling, and we've talked about that.
• 8:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we're not going to get into that, that topic tonight, other than to say, when individuals talk about topics and have no remorse for things they've done, things they're doing, then that that is that's troublesome.
• 9:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: But again it comes that judge judgment.
• 9:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: Right, you know who.
• 9:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: Who am I to to judge anybody?
• 9:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: Who are you to judge anybody?
• 9:14
  Justin Alan Hayes: So, when we talk about what are we doing on earth, why am I alive instead of somebody else that never had a chance to live, it really makes you think right, makes you makes you really think about wow, there's seven, seven plus a billion human beings on earth now, now, and that there's so many that never had a chance, that never had a chance to live, never had a chance to grow up, for a variety, variety of reasons.
• 10:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we would like to think that being good outweighs being not good, hurting somebody, no matter what form that comes in mentally, physically, spiritually.
• 10:44
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's something that's not okay, it's not acceptable, and we don't care where anybody stands politically and, to be frank, people are surprised when I talk and share about where I'm at, but I don't feel that it's a topic that we really need to talk about a whole lot, because we're talking about all humans.
• 11:28
  Justin Alan Hayes: When we're at the pearly gates, god's not going to say, oh, democrat, republican, libertarian, independent, oh you voted in how many presidential elections?
• 11:42
  Justin Alan Hayes: None of that's going to matter.
• 11:45
  Justin Alan Hayes: So how you voted, how I voted, that does not matter.
• 11:53
  Justin Alan Hayes: What matters is that golden rule.
• 12:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: And what is that golden rule?
• 12:04
  Justin Alan Hayes: To treat others just the way I would like to be treated.
• 12:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: We've all probably heard that said that tens, maybe hundreds of times throughout the years, and so when we think about that golden rule, I think it's very clear when we talk about treating others, when we talk about treating others Again, we're all gonna have bad days.
• 12:45
  Justin Alan Hayes: All the breaks aren't always gonna go our way, no matter how much we want it to, they're just not.
• 12:57
  Justin Alan Hayes: So when we do take a look at that treating others how I want to be treated well first we have to look at is well, how do we want to be treated.
• 13:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, that's a.
• 13:14
  Justin Alan Hayes: I think that's a good place to start.
• 13:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would I want to be treated by being locked in a cage, by being forced to do unthinkable acts?
• 13:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: To do unthinkable acts?
• 13:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we like to be starved?
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  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we be like?
• 13:51
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we be like to be taken away from our family, family?
• 14:15
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we want to be injected with metals and who knows what else?
• 14:19
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we want to abuse, whatever that may be?
• 14:21
  Justin Alan Hayes: Would we want to be that way?
• 14:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: Do I want to feel abused?
• 14:24
  Justin Alan Hayes: Do you want to?
• 14:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's where this conversation starts at here.
• 14:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know, going on 15 minutes of this episode.
• 14:35
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we're halfway through and we're getting to that spot.
• 14:39
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we're not perfect, we know that.
• 14:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: And anybody who believes otherwise I don't know what else to say so any individual who thinks that they are, that they are God, that they rise to that level, that's not right, that's wrong.
• 15:15
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that's a pretty, it's pretty, pretty standard response.
• 15:20
  Justin Alan Hayes: So then we get to that next level of the golden rule that we talk about treat others the way we like to be treated.
• 15:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: We would like to be treated.
• 15:40
  Justin Alan Hayes: And then we get to that spot where we had just arrived before this short summary of how we would like to feel or how we would like to be treated, and I listed a myriad of things, of actions being made towards us and I 100% would say no, that's not how I want to be treated.
• 16:17
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's not probably guessing and it's probably stronger than I guess that you wouldn't want to be treated that way, would you?
• 16:30
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we move on.
• 16:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: So nobody's gone, nobody's perfect.
• 16:41
  Justin Alan Hayes: Treat others the way we want to be treated.
• 16:43
  Justin Alan Hayes: And what are those ways?
• 16:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: A 180 and say would we like to not be starved where family that's not in a cage?
• 17:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: So how about that?
• 17:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: Because I think just those two or three things are very, very telling and the question is, it can't be any simpler Treat others the way we'd like to be treated, want to be treated like an animal?
• 17:56
  Justin Alan Hayes: Want to be treated like a possession?
• 18:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: Want to be sold for money?
• 18:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: Want to tell individuals what they can and can't do when they can do it?
• 18:11
  Justin Alan Hayes: Or would we want to be treated with dignity, respect, access to food, a restful, an opportunity for restful sleep at night?
• 18:36
  Justin Alan Hayes: So again, these are diametrically, these are 180s, and that's why we're talking about it, because there is that, that stark contrast, and so this episode might not be for everybody, just like our full catalog.
• 18:56
  Justin Alan Hayes: We have so many episodes, so many, so many great topics, so many great guests, and this episode might not be for you.
• 19:05
  Justin Alan Hayes: And it might not be for you because you have a good understanding of right and wrong, of how you want to be treated and how we treat others, and if we're treating others the way we want to be treated or not.
• 19:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: Or you may not be interested in this episode because you are an individual that, along with other individuals, we work together to have that 180 approach of not treating others with respect, holding individuals in cages, not providing them nourishment, not allowing them to see their family.
• 20:11
  Justin Alan Hayes: And so I talked about the burden at the beginning.
• 20:18
  Justin Alan Hayes: Well, the burden, what I just described, has got to be so much heavier, has to be so much heavier, has to be so much heavier To have that knowledge of taking advantage of playing God, which we know there's only one God.
• 20:48
  Justin Alan Hayes: So for you to play, play that role, for you to decide what happens, what doesn't, at what time, at what place.
• 21:02
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we can't be any clearer when we think about again how we want to be treated If, for some reason, that you got caught up in some of these activities that aren't treating people with dignity and respect, not allowing them to see their families.
• 21:55
  Justin Alan Hayes: I think we can all agree on what that course of action would be right, because do you want to be standing at the pearly gates with that on your mind, with that on your heart, and you haven't repented, you haven't tried to make a wrong, a right or as close to a right as possible?
• 22:21
  Justin Alan Hayes: You didn't decide to say you know what?
• 22:26
  Justin Alan Hayes: I've done a lot, a lot of bad things, and I wish I hadn't, but I did.
• 22:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: So I have what's coming justice-wise Again.
• 22:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're not talking about rocket science here.
• 22:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: Again, these aren't.
• 22:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're not talking about rocket science here.
• 22:53
  Justin Alan Hayes: We're not Elon Musk talking about sending rockets up all the time, saving astronauts that our former president, joe Biden, left up there because, for whatever reason, they're supposed to be up there for a few days and they're up there for several months.
• 23:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's not what we're talking about here.
• 23:20
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know what we're talking about.
• 23:25
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know darn well what we're talking about and what we're talking about.
• 23:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: You know darn well what we're talking about and what we're talking about is reaching people, reaching's, reaching families.
• 23:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's reaching parents.
• 24:01
  Justin Alan Hayes: So do you have a guilty conscience, do you, or is this all just it's okay?
• 24:09
  Justin Alan Hayes: You just continue on this, all just it's okay.
• 24:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: You just continue on.
• 24:11
  Justin Alan Hayes: This is just par for the course for you.
• 24:14
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we would just like to say that that's a shame.
• 24:21
  Justin Alan Hayes: It really.
• 24:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: Is it really?
• 24:26
  Justin Alan Hayes: It really is it really?
• 24:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: It really is.
• 24:35
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's very, very disassociated with how I'm betting you want to be treated.
• 24:45
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think you want to be in a cage.
• 24:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think you want to be in a cage.
• 24:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think you want food rationed from you.
• 24:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think you want to be taken away from your family.
• 24:55
  Justin Alan Hayes: And I didn't even mention even worse.
• 25:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: That you know and I know has happened.
• 25:17
  Justin Alan Hayes: So, again, all we're trying to do is to help others.
• 25:24
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's what Voices for Voices is all about.
• 25:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we're not God.
• 25:30
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we can't help every person.
• 25:33
  Justin Alan Hayes: However, what we can do is we can try to share as much experience, as many events from as many individuals about their lives and our lives.
• 25:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that's probably why, as we as 60 countries and closer to oh boy, we're getting close to now, we're getting close to 700 cities and again, I know our board knows our volunteers.
• 26:32
  Justin Alan Hayes: We know we can't save the world.
• 26:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: However, like I mentioned.
• 26:41
  Justin Alan Hayes: We can share experiences, we can talk about facts, we can talk about the evidence.
• 26:51
  Justin Alan Hayes: One thing, two things.
• 27:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, that's two, now three and four, and five and six and seven and eight and nine and ten, and you just keep stacking that.
• 27:11
  Justin Alan Hayes: Well, that's called evidence, and evidence is not in Evidence, is not in your favor.
• 27:39
  Justin Alan Hayes: If you are one who is playing the role of God and not treating people with dignity, without treating them with respect, not allowing them to eat, not giving good sleep conditions, taking them away from their families.
• 27:51
  Justin Alan Hayes: What have you for the bold-faced lies that you tell people?
• 27:57
  Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, we're just helping.
• 27:59
  Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, wow, okay, that's interesting Because we had a conversation with somebody who's very, very, very, very, very much involved with a lot of these activities, a lot of these negative activities, a lot of these activities that are not good, and this person decided well, we don't know you, I don't know you and I can't share about person one, person two I'm leaving the names out and so I'll close this episode and say I can't share anything.
• 29:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: This is what this person said.
• 29:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: I can't share anything because I was pastor at an even time and I want to treat them with respect.
• 29:19
  Justin Alan Hayes: The funny part about all this, which really isn't funny is this individual, along with a lot of other individuals, have said they never knew these people, they never met them, they don't know them.
• 29:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: No-transcript knew and know of these individuals, and it's those individuals.
• 30:20
  Justin Alan Hayes: If you are one of those that it would be.
• 30:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: It would be a good thing to stand up for truth instead of sitting down to stand up for helping really helping, not saying oh, let me, you know, let me see what your story is about and if it's good enough, I'm going to take it, and then I'm not going to pay you for that.
• 30:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: That's called, that's something that's illegal, goal and right.
• 31:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: So there's different organizations who have operations in certain parts of the world where they pay very little money for a lot, lots of work.
• 31:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: At least, in those cases, the companies are actually paying the individuals.
• 31:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: In your case, your cases, you're not even paying them, you're not even giving them a chance at a royalty.
• 31:36
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that's why so many parents have come forward.
• 31:42
  Justin Alan Hayes: So many parents have come forward.
• 31:46
  Justin Alan Hayes: So many parents have come forward and changed their plans Because number one they're rooted in christian values.
• 32:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: Does debate and switch, like we talked about before, we're gonna rail you in, rail you in.
• 32:20
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, christian in yeah, christian values.
• 32:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yep, we're going to have speakers, we're going to do this.
• 32:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: But hey, once you come, once you go through, you know however many layers of security to get through, which that by itself is pretty interesting.
• 32:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, the Super Bowl Getting near, you know heads of state.
• 32:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: I can understand a lot of security for that, but for what you guys do and have done, that's Not really sure why, why you need all that security.
• 33:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: But hey, what do I know?
• 33:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: I just know the evidence, and you know the evidence too, so much so as you've been searching all over, all over, high and low, and left and right, and here and there and everywhere.
• 33:29
  Justin Alan Hayes: So if there wasn't evidence, why would, why would you be searching so hard?
• 33:35
  Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, if I didn't do anything wrong, I wouldn't be worried about evidence things out there, because I didn't do anything wrong.
• 33:51
  Justin Alan Hayes: On the other hand, if you and you are doing things wrong morally, ethically, the law I guess it would make sense that you'd be looking all over for that evidence, because Because you've got to make that money on that script, you've got to make that money on those books.
• 34:26
  Justin Alan Hayes: You can't let somebody else get the credit.
• 34:29
  Justin Alan Hayes: Who actually wrote those scripts and wrote those books, can you?
• 34:34
  Justin Alan Hayes: Hmm, that's how we find a lot of things interesting.
• 34:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: But I hearken back to the golden rule, to your others, how we want to be treated.
• 34:56
  Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody's God.
• 34:58
  Justin Alan Hayes: And if you don't have anything to hide, then why be?
• 35:09
  Justin Alan Hayes: Why be in a frenzy over wanting to know, wanting to find things?
• 35:17
  Justin Alan Hayes: How do you even I don't even know how anybody would know that there would be things to find, unless you know there's things to find, and I don't even know where any of these things are.
• 35:32
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know what exists, what doesn't exist.
• 35:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: We get like a little crumb here and there which is like nothing.
• 35:55
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we can only suffice to say that on the outside, on the outside looking in, it looks like there's some guilty individuals.
• 36:04
  Justin Alan Hayes: And while I don't know how I'm going to be judged at the pearly gates after my time here on Earth, I don't know that.
• 36:18
  Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know how that's going to turn out.
• 36:23
  Justin Alan Hayes: But what I do know, what I do know that I will not be included, involved in.
• 36:40
  Justin Alan Hayes: And what is that included, involved in?
• 36:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: And what is that?
• 36:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: I'll let you answer that.
• 36:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, human trafficking.